I am obsessed with the allegory of the cave. It frightened me at first but then i came to see it as something for humanity to look forward to. Breaking through barriers of knowledge and coming to understand ourselves and the world around us on a deeper level.
Maybe the greatest philosopher in history, no doubt the rest of history could be considered a plus to his philosophy. Indeed he who knows Plato, has already achieved the truth of existence. Not that others like Aristotle had not said the truth, but that Plato is the one who said it best.
If I were to place one above him it would be Confucius, this is speaking in terms of the scale of their influence. As for greatest philosopher, he is certainly hard to beat, but each will come to their own conclusion on that matter, for me the greatest is Spinoza (just my personal bias haha). Thank you for taking the time to listen to the video!
Very well explained logic. Just imagine how much better it would be if the states or countries applied these processes. What a wonderful world it would be.
Thank you for your kind words! I would agree, though he does spare no expense at the creation of the perfect state. At times we do run into some moral conundrums with him, but in general I believe his ideas are a great resource to draw inspiration from, which is what I believe he intended it to be! Glad you enjoyed the video!
That'd be authoritarian, let people chose the job they'd like and not be dictated by the state as to what they should do. We live in a world of democracy, and individual freedom and right.
This system lies to its people and doesn’t allow them to change professions as they will. It takes away children from their parents. It’s a dystopian nightmare
I believe that Plato will always be of great use to anyone who opens his work, true in his day, true in our own, and likely 1000 years from now. We may evolve socially, but we remain human and Plato deals in the art of human beings! Thank you for taking the time to watch and respond I truly appreciate it!
I hope more people will discover your channel!! Your videos are informational and so helpful TT I'm doing this for a project but I'm also enjoying the content itself!! goodluck to you TT!!!
And as you know, I always look forward to hearing what you thought of them! You are one of the few who have been here since pretty much the start of this channel a little over a year ago, and I cannot express the heights of my gratitude for that, Thank You!
@@LetsTalkPhilosophy your presentations genuinely are informative. I admire your breadth of understanding of these differing positions. Seems timely for today!
Very useful and all the concepts are precisely articulated without any gibberish stuff. Would love to have more videos on various other philosophers and ideas concerning this discipline.
From 3:53-4:16 Plato perfectly described the USA right at this very moment! If I believed in prophesy this would be the first time in my 71 years I ever heard of a prophesy fulfilled!
Very good short sypnosis of Plato. Plato turns out to be a combination of right and wrong ideas, but there are essential insights that are well worth learning, such as the tendency of a democracy to elect unfit leaders (boy, have we ever been getting a lesson in THAT lately!)
Thank you, I appreciate your kind words! I would agree that he, perhaps along with all others are a combination of right and wrong ideas, though I suppose that would depend upon your vantage point.
Amazing thing is this creation of ours called philosophy. Which comes in so many flavors you need to make videos n all to keep us informed about all of it. No wonder there are those who then have to defy reality. How else do you swim away from its endless flows.
Thank you! I have been away for a while with life responsibilities, but am back to creating now and hope to release a new video soon. I hope to see you in future comment threads!
Thank you for helping EFFICIENTLY bridge a decades long gap for me in my education! I’ll be looking forward to watching all of your videos ! Could I also suggest Maimonides if he’s not on here yet ?
Girl Im crying I've already written 3 paragraphs and I'm only 4 minutes in but thanks for the vid, listening to someone teach the topic helps me understand it more rather than just reading it. :)
Christ upholds virtue the samw way as Plato, even higher. Mercy and kindness are not a weakness. Thank you for the analysis. What a great system it sounds like
Who determines the questions, tests and what the "correct" answers are? There is a built in bias depending on who's utopian plan this is and how-why they created it. Excellent thought experiment and worth reading-evaluating Plato's Republic.
Plato just striaght up knowing conscious agent theory a few hundred years before we even start to "figure it out" as a society. Such a g. Channel is awesome homie, well edited and pacing is awesome.
Hmm, they are all wonderful, easy reading and full of a passion. You may find much in them that is tailored to the common people of that day so some parts may seem obscure, but this is a normal feeling when following along in his dialogues. I always recommend beginning with The Republic as it encapsulates so much of his thought. It is with great reason that Emerson bestowed upon it these words which Omar gave only to the Quran; "Burn the libraries, for their value is in this book." Best of luck friend!
Thank you for your kind words! The software is Adobe Premiere Pro, many of the cut outs I use are done in photoshop. I also use Canva for the thumbnails as I am not yet proficient enough to make them adequately in Photoshop.
Wonderful discussion of Plato. The only point of disagreement I have with Benjamin is his preference for the Waterfield translation of the Republic. I much prefer that of H. D. P. Lee. If Ben ever comes to Melbourne (my hometown) I will show him why. He might then agree with me. Just finished re-reading Symposium. What a work. What insight into the human condition. Developed a great sympathy for Alcibiades.
I know you've recommended 'The Story of Philosophy' by Will Durant but I've heard mixed things about that one, what do you think about 'A History of Philosophy' by Copleton? Although they are much longer.
Each will give you his or her own opinion on who writes the best, that part will be up to you to determine. I have not read copleton so I can not day. I am sure for general information you will find more than you can crame into your head. Its more about what writing style you enjoy. I like Durant because he bring history and philosophy alive through his writing, not just dead information on a page.
@@vergilprogrelius3595 sure thing, let me know if you have other questions, I have an Instagram under the same name if you want an easier way to message me!
Plato’s theory sounds a lot like the concept of karma and dharma. A man’s duty respective to his nature, which is shown through many qualities in his nature. He definitely went to India
Hey, do you have Twitter by any chance? I'm trying to build a small YT philosophy group for likeminded individuals! So we can support each other if your interested.
" Plato is simply a record-keeper - he has not a single idea of his own! He is a devoted lover of Socrates, and whatever Socrates says, he goes on recording it, writing it. Socrates has not written anything - just as no great master has ever written anything. And Plato is certainly a great writer; perhaps Socrates may not have been able to write so beautifully. Plato has made Socrates’ teachings as beautiful as possible, but he himself is no one. Now the same work can be done by a tape recorder. And Aristotle is merely an intellectual, with no understanding of being, or even a desire to search for it. These people are taught in the universities. I was constantly in a fight with my professors. When they started teaching Plato, I said, “This is absolute nonsense, because Plato has nothing to say of his own. It is better to teach about Socrates. Plato can be referred to - he has compiled it all. But Socrates’ name has become almost a fiction, and Plato has become the reality” Plato’s allegory is of slaves who, working in a cave, see only their shadows on the walls and believe that what is happening on the walls is the only reality. They don’t know of any other reality except those shadows… they don’t even know that those shadows are their own. They know nothing about the outside world, outside their cave; it doesn’t exist for them. This is one of the most beautiful allegories - of tremendous importance. It is our allegory. Translated into our life, it means we are living in a certain cave and we are seeing shadows on a certain screen and we know nothing else about the screen. We know nothing about there being a world beyond the screen; we know nothing about these shadows on the screen, even that they are our own. Looked at rightly, it is the allegory of our mind. What do you know of the world? Just a small skull is your cave; and just the screen of your mind… and the things which you call thoughts, emotions, sentiments, feelings, are all shadows - they don’t have any substance in them. And you get angry, you get depressed, you are in anguish - because you have learned to be identified with those shadows. You are projecting them; they are your own shadows. It is your own anger that is projected on the screen of the mind. And then it becomes a vicious circle: that anger makes you more angry, more anger projects more anger, and so on and so forth. And we go on living our whole life without ever thinking that there is a world of reality beyond the mind, on the outside, and there is also a world of reality beyond all these sentiments, feelings, emotions - beyond your ego. That is your awareness. The whole art of meditation is to bring you out of the cave so that you can become aware that you are not those shadows but that you are a watcher. And the moment you become a watcher, a miracle happens: those shadows start disappearing. They feed on your identity; if you feel identified with them, then they are there. The more you identify with them, the more nourished they are. When you are just a watcher - just seeing, not judging, not condemning - slowly, slowly those shadows disappear, because now they don’t have any food. And then there is such a tremendous clarity, perceptivity, that you can see the world beyond - the world of sunrise and the world of clouds and the world of the stars; that is your outside. And you can become aware of your inside, which is far more mysterious. The outside world is so beautiful, but the inside world is a thousand fold more beautiful. Once you are somehow capable of getting out of the cave you become part of a universal consciousness. Inside, you have the whole eternity; you have been here forever and you will be here forever. Death has never happened and cannot happen. And outside there is a tremendously beautiful existence. And now to call them `outside’ and `inside’ is not right; those are the old words when the skull was dividing them in two. Now it is one. Your consciousness and the beauty of a sunset and the beauty of a starry night, your consciousness and the freshness of a rose - they are no longer separate because the principle of separation is no longer there. It is all one cosmic whole. And I call this experience the only holy experience. To experience the whole is the only holy experience. It has nothing to do with churches, temples, synagogues; it has something to do with you coming out, slipping out of the clutches of the mind. And it is not difficult, it is just that you have not tried it. Plato’s allegory rightly depicts the situation which we are in. But Plato never went further than that. Plato himself was never a meditator; the allegory remained a philosophical idea. If he had interpreted this allegory and had given it a turn towards meditation, the whole Western mind would have been different. This allegory would have changed the whole Western mind and the history that followed Plato - because Plato is the founder of the whole Western mind. Socrates never wrote anything; he was Plato’s master. Whatever we have about Socrates is from Plato’s notes of him talking with others - the famous Socratic dialogues. As a student he was just taking notes on them. Those notes have survived. In those notes is this allegory. It is difficult to know for what purpose Socrates was using the allegory, but it is certain that Plato misused it - he was not a man who was in search of truth, he was a man who wanted to think about truth. But to search for truth is one thing and to think about truth is totally different: thinking keeps you within the cave. It is only non-thinking that can take you out of the cave."
Religion once meant REALIGNMENT with the goal - a description of the "goal" - where are we going? - knowledge about what heart ultimately cares, and is currently missing; lost in propaganda. --been restored by my work. TO HAVE that sense of belonging ordered by mystical forgiveness, imagination ordered by beauty, innocence ordered by possibility, wonder ordered by creativity, (Only thing that can order the hope is understanding the concepts.) with hope that joy will visit (5th lock and key) ... is the short version. Synonyms:: Magick of Goddess:: Magick of Charms::Lands of Enchantment::Glamoury:: Mystery ordered by magick. Beautiful Chaos 1. Mystery - 4 Cautions 2. Imagination 3. Wonder 4. Hope 5. Joy - preferences 6. Innocence - freedom from guilt and blame. 7. Belonging With the Implicit and Elegant Order 1. Magick 2. Beauty 3. Creativity 4. Critically Important Understanding of the Concepts 5. Compassion (caring born of sorrow) 6. Possibility 7. Forgiveness
I wonder, did any Philosophers think that one day in the future ,we would all be holding hands across the world and singing songs of unity? Funny, they never mention anything even close to that!😊
His utopia definitely would work he literally would give everyone the opportunity to be a ruler but if they fail the first test they get to be producers which is not a bad thing it’s better than democracy which even the founding fathers didn’t want democracy for people are not so bright in the head to chose leader with morals, ethics, and principles they choose Demagogue
@@Captaiesqueleto I think you misunderstood my comment. I agree with most of what you said, and some of it you even said quite well. Yet, the core idea of the Politeia is not a political manual on how to build a good state, which most people do believe, but an epistemological inquiry of "what is justice and what is good" through the act of building a state. That's all - and I agree that Plato's principles are valid to this day, but I don't want to open up a commentary way in case you disagree. I wasted a big portion of my life on that.
There is also a 14-point definition of Magick -- if missing this one, ignorance ensues. The most profound timeless energy is curiosity, curios enough to honestly ask a question. Ego head wont ask for help, too scared of thinking it is "less-than." If not asking questions, one might be totally asleep in there ... doh.
the biggest problem with this system is what to do when the best end up dying due to causes outside causes... the philosophers have about 30 years at best to rule if in ideal health, takes half a century to incubate into being... this is a huge investment that needs a very stable source to form....without being subverted by those hostile and by biases within the tests themselves. this is also true of insufficient axillaries in the face of overwhelming outside forces or insufficiency of specific types of workers in an crisis or emergency.
The trump Error was a perfect example of how demigods can rise to power when citizens become complacent about their government as well as their responsibility to protect it...
Fascinating. No matter what you do when it comes to dealing with mankind, they are unpredictable. We do not fight against flesh and blood . We fight against the wicked forces of spiritual evil. Of course Jesus didn't come until later. But Plato was correct almost. Yes we need a God and we need to obey Him. But this God has to be the true God. I wonder what Plato would say about Jesus Christ and His message. I'd say he'd recognize His genius rather quickly, but could he understand He is God.
I do not want to be a hero or a villain. l am not trying to be a good person or a bad person. l am exactly the kind of person l need to be in any given situation. lf l'm good or bad in that situation is not for me to say but for an outside observer. If 100 people observe me in that situation they will create 100 different ideas about how good or bad a person l am. None of their observations change the reality of who l am.
Countless students enveloped with his thought, many are in 2022, but for some reasason people can't look on to a groundbreaking internet video sharing content can't learn about a man from 2400 B.C from videos older than 8 years old... I'm afraid that history being manipulated this time.
wait it seems like education wasnt available to all, some were put to work before learning everything ... at least if they wanted to know, should be available, at least night school lol.
Philosophy Plato attention. I just found out puzzler that platypus from eggs the contract idol bit hand like alligator looked like dog that still looked platypus. Dog from eggs walk like serpent on legs their idol looked croc dragon plush toys
You can't be pro Republic and anti democratic... The foundational principles of a Republic is that the power lies in the hands of the people... How would you propose correlating the collective will of the people without some form of democratic process?... Rhetorical question you can't! Well put together video, other than the right wing political undertow.
There are many who believe that, I might say that Aristotle had a greater intellect, but Plato takes the cake in creativity. The age old battle between art and science! But this will always remain subjective. Cheers for watching the video friend.
your definition religion doesn't work ... you described more a control factor of fear, supernatural mind games --- WHEN realignment had nothing to do with fear.
This sounds like the prequel to the hunger games or that movie snow preacher...the back of the train alwase has spair parts...........use your own kids leve mine alone
Plato was write about education being necessary. The U.S education system is a failure and look at how divided our democratic Republic is. If only we could actually fix our broken systems.
Published 4 years ago.. I wonder if this youtuber made this thinking trump resembled all these negative characteristics. And I wonder what he thinks now. I bet my life Trump will restore order and prosperity. Him and Plato would have been bros if they lived in the same time
All men were NOT created equal; that was not possible. get over it. Define what is different, or sit down. Believe nothing, find out for yourself. Transform and Transcend Ambiguity and Chaos. Ambiguity is undetermined. Anxiety is ambiguous. Anxiety is undetermined anger, hurt, fear or pity. Ambiguity is threaded with Anxiety. Ambiguity is essential for growth. Chaos is essential for change. Created antagonists don't change. These results don't belong on the resume of a supreme being, Carlin. heh
Your channel is a hidden gem. I can't believe that people don't give it more attention. Vey, very good work. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words!
Nooo it is not Hidden gem, This Is Educational perspective
@@LetsTalkPhilosophyI agree with OP ❤ great work 👍
How fascinating. Beautifully made and some next level editing. I learned a lot of Plato from this! Keep up the amazing work.
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Thank you, I appreciate your kind words!
This really needs to be on the suggestion page of youtube for everyone and really deserves more attention
I am obsessed with the allegory of the cave. It frightened me at first but then i came to see it as something for humanity to look forward to. Breaking through barriers of knowledge and coming to understand ourselves and the world around us on a deeper level.
Maybe the greatest philosopher in history, no doubt the rest of history could be considered a plus to his philosophy. Indeed he who knows Plato, has already achieved the truth of existence. Not that others like Aristotle had not said the truth, but that Plato is the one who said it best.
If I were to place one above him it would be Confucius, this is speaking in terms of the scale of their influence. As for greatest philosopher, he is certainly hard to beat, but each will come to their own conclusion on that matter, for me the greatest is Spinoza (just my personal bias haha). Thank you for taking the time to listen to the video!
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Very well explained logic. Just imagine how much better it would be if the states or countries applied these processes. What a wonderful world it would be.
Thank you for your kind words! I would agree, though he does spare no expense at the creation of the perfect state. At times we do run into some moral conundrums with him, but in general I believe his ideas are a great resource to draw inspiration from, which is what I believe he intended it to be! Glad you enjoyed the video!
We do. 🤣
That'd be authoritarian, let people chose the job they'd like and not be dictated by the state as to what they should do. We live in a world of democracy, and individual freedom and right.
gesture of balance
This system lies to its people and doesn’t allow them to change professions as they will. It takes away children from their parents. It’s a dystopian nightmare
Excellent job opening Plato. He is so relevant today
I believe that Plato will always be of great use to anyone who opens his work, true in his day, true in our own, and likely 1000 years from now. We may evolve socially, but we remain human and Plato deals in the art of human beings! Thank you for taking the time to watch and respond I truly appreciate it!
@@LetsTalkPhilosophy Which books do you recommend for someone who is just starting reading Plato's works?
@@LetsTalkPhilosophywell said I appreciate your video about Plato. He is one of my main philosophical influences
4:49 Your videos keep getting better and better. This was mind-blowing!
Brilliantly explained
I hope more people will discover your channel!! Your videos are informational and so helpful TT I'm doing this for a project but I'm also enjoying the content itself!! goodluck to you TT!!!
That's wonderful, thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! Good luck on your project!
presented clearly. I always look forward to these teachings
And as you know, I always look forward to hearing what you thought of them! You are one of the few who have been here since pretty much the start of this channel a little over a year ago, and I cannot express the heights of my gratitude for that, Thank You!
@@LetsTalkPhilosophy your presentations genuinely are informative. I admire your breadth of understanding of these differing positions. Seems timely for today!
I read Theatetus while sitting on the walls of the remnants of The Academy during my trip to Athens last year. A truly magical moment
Very useful and all the concepts are precisely articulated without any gibberish stuff. Would love to have more videos on various other philosophers and ideas concerning this discipline.
Thank you! One of these days when I get a bit more time to be more consistent I look forward to providing such content, I hope to see you there!
From 3:53-4:16 Plato perfectly described the USA right at this very moment! If I believed in prophesy this would be the first time in my 71 years I ever heard of a prophesy fulfilled!
🎉😢😊❤ Let the knowledge enlighten you as so many went without.
So whatsup with Ms. Beegee ? What u know about the nature of things? U look like the type of person i get along with.
@@NorNevaALlmao weird ass
Thank you for sharing it. Each ones interpretation gives a new outlook.
You are very welcome, thank you for listening!!
Very good short sypnosis of Plato. Plato turns out to be a combination of right and wrong ideas, but there are essential insights that are well worth learning, such as the tendency of a democracy to elect unfit leaders (boy, have we ever been getting a lesson in THAT lately!)
Thank you, I appreciate your kind words! I would agree that he, perhaps along with all others are a combination of right and wrong ideas, though I suppose that would depend upon your vantage point.
Amazing thing is this creation of ours called philosophy. Which comes in so many flavors you need to make videos n all to keep us informed about all of it. No wonder there are those who then have to defy reality. How else do you swim away from its endless flows.
Excellent video... Keep the good work up..
Thank you! I have been away for a while with life responsibilities, but am back to creating now and hope to release a new video soon. I hope to see you in future comment threads!
Thank you for helping EFFICIENTLY bridge a decades long gap for me in my education! I’ll be looking forward to watching all of your videos ! Could I also suggest Maimonides if he’s not on here yet ?
Girl Im crying I've already written 3 paragraphs and I'm only 4 minutes in but thanks for the vid, listening to someone teach the topic helps me understand it more rather than just reading it. :)
Reading it is more fascinating.
Beautiful editing and content. Great channel!
Thank you for your kind words and support!
Thank you for the information.
The channel is a great idea & done very well. 👍👍
Thank you, I am glad that you enjoy it!
your editing is awesome
!!! such a great channel and creator
I appreciate the kind words Ariel and am glad that you are enjoying the content!
Christ upholds virtue the samw way as Plato, even higher. Mercy and kindness are not a weakness. Thank you for the analysis. What a great system it sounds like
Who determines the questions, tests and what the "correct" answers are? There is a built in bias depending on who's utopian plan this is and how-why they created it.
Excellent thought experiment and worth reading-evaluating Plato's Republic.
Great video, dude! 💪
Thanks Clark, I appreciate your kind words and am glad that you found it helpful!
Plato just striaght up knowing conscious agent theory a few hundred years before we even start to "figure it out" as a society. Such a g. Channel is awesome homie, well edited and pacing is awesome.
Thank you for the kind words! I hope to continue improving through the years.
Awesome dude. I like your content
Thank you for watching and supporting the channel!
Just bought the five dialogues by plato. Excited to start do you have any tips?
Hmm, they are all wonderful, easy reading and full of a passion. You may find much in them that is tailored to the common people of that day so some parts may seem obscure, but this is a normal feeling when following along in his dialogues. I always recommend beginning with The Republic as it encapsulates so much of his thought. It is with great reason that Emerson bestowed upon it these words which Omar gave only to the Quran; "Burn the libraries, for their value is in this book." Best of luck friend!
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👑 God Is Peace 🤍
I would agree that it has to be true for at least one person!
What a memorable person in the philosophy scene.
One could argue the most memorable!
He totally said Play-doh , and right at the beginning too......I listened to it all and it all makes sense now.
Really well made content. Looking forward for these teachings. Could you let me know the software used for the above edit.
Thank you for your kind words! The software is Adobe Premiere Pro, many of the cut outs I use are done in photoshop. I also use Canva for the thumbnails as I am not yet proficient enough to make them adequately in Photoshop.
@@LetsTalkPhilosophy not proficient!! Clearly disagree on that bit 🙂. Thanks for sharing 👍
I can't help but hearing "playdoh" but he's the man.
One of my favorite ppl
Wonderful discussion of Plato. The only point of disagreement I have with Benjamin is his preference for the Waterfield translation of the Republic. I much prefer that of H. D. P. Lee. If Ben ever comes to Melbourne (my hometown) I will show him why. He might then agree with me. Just finished re-reading Symposium. What a work. What insight into the human condition. Developed a great sympathy for Alcibiades.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and give some input, very much appreciated!
I know you've recommended 'The Story of Philosophy' by Will Durant but I've heard mixed things about that one, what do you think about 'A History of Philosophy' by Copleton? Although they are much longer.
Each will give you his or her own opinion on who writes the best, that part will be up to you to determine. I have not read copleton so I can not day. I am sure for general information you will find more than you can crame into your head. Its more about what writing style you enjoy. I like Durant because he bring history and philosophy alive through his writing, not just dead information on a page.
@@LetsTalkPhilosophy Okay thanks!
@@vergilprogrelius3595 sure thing, let me know if you have other questions, I have an Instagram under the same name if you want an easier way to message me!
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Read the War of the Ancients by Aldinon Exilus. It's an ode to Plato.
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I never really got an education , but i find this so intresting, is there any kind soul here willing to link me more of these eye opening videos?
when did they start making pants?
Plato’s theory sounds a lot like the concept of karma and dharma. A man’s duty respective to his nature, which is shown through many qualities in his nature. He definitely went to India
Philosophy is not a theory but an activity. (Wittgenstein)
Not me watching this an hour before the exam
Hey, do you have Twitter by any chance? I'm trying to build a small YT philosophy group for likeminded individuals! So we can support each other if your interested.
I do not have a twitter, but I do have an IG.
@@LetsTalkPhilosophy Ah, its okay then! No worries :)
" Plato is simply a record-keeper - he has not a single idea of his own! He is a devoted lover of Socrates, and whatever Socrates says, he goes on recording it, writing it. Socrates has not written anything - just as no great master has ever written anything. And Plato is certainly a great writer; perhaps Socrates may not have been able to write so beautifully. Plato has made Socrates’ teachings as beautiful as possible, but he himself is no one. Now the same work can be done by a tape recorder. And Aristotle is merely an intellectual, with no understanding of being, or even a desire to search for it. These people are taught in the universities. I was constantly in a fight with my professors. When they started teaching Plato, I said, “This is absolute nonsense, because Plato has nothing to say of his own. It is better to teach about Socrates. Plato can be referred to - he has compiled it all. But Socrates’ name has become almost a fiction, and Plato has become the reality”
Plato’s allegory is of slaves who, working in a cave, see only their shadows on the walls and believe that what is happening on the walls is the only reality. They don’t know of any other reality except those shadows… they don’t even know that those shadows are their own. They know nothing about the outside world, outside their cave; it doesn’t exist for them. This is one of the most beautiful allegories - of tremendous importance. It is our allegory. Translated into our life, it means we are living in a certain cave and we are seeing shadows on a certain screen and we know nothing else about the screen. We know nothing about there being a world beyond the screen; we know nothing about these shadows on the screen, even that they are our own. Looked at rightly, it is the allegory of our mind.
What do you know of the world? Just a small skull is your cave; and just the screen of your mind… and the things which you call thoughts, emotions, sentiments, feelings, are all shadows - they don’t have any substance in them. And you get angry, you get depressed, you are in anguish - because you have learned to be identified with those shadows. You are projecting them; they are your own shadows. It is your own anger that is projected on the screen of the mind. And then it becomes a vicious circle: that anger makes you more angry, more anger projects more anger, and so on and so forth. And
we go on living our whole life without ever thinking that there is a world of reality beyond the mind, on the outside, and there is also a world of reality beyond all these sentiments, feelings, emotions - beyond your ego. That is your awareness.
The whole art of meditation is to bring you out of the cave so that you can become aware that you are not those shadows but that you are a watcher. And the moment you become a watcher, a miracle happens: those shadows start disappearing. They feed on your identity; if you feel identified with them, then they are there. The more you identify with them, the more nourished they are.
When you are just a watcher - just seeing, not judging, not condemning - slowly, slowly those shadows disappear, because now they don’t have any food. And then there is such a tremendous clarity, perceptivity, that you can see the world beyond - the world of sunrise and the world of clouds and the world of the stars; that is your outside. And you can become aware of your inside, which is far more mysterious.
The outside world is so beautiful, but the inside world is a thousand fold more beautiful.
Once you are somehow capable of getting out of the cave you become part of a universal consciousness.
Inside, you have the whole eternity; you have been here forever and you will be here forever. Death has never happened and cannot happen. And outside there is a tremendously beautiful existence. And now to call them `outside’ and `inside’ is not right; those are the old words when the skull was dividing them in two. Now it is one. Your consciousness and the beauty of a sunset and the beauty of a starry night, your consciousness and the freshness of a rose - they are no longer separate because the principle of separation is no longer there. It is all one cosmic whole. And I call this experience the only holy experience.
To experience the whole is the only holy experience. It has nothing to do with churches, temples, synagogues; it has something to do with you coming out, slipping out of the clutches of the mind. And it is not difficult, it is just that you have not tried it.
Plato’s allegory rightly depicts the situation which we are in. But Plato never went further than that. Plato himself was never a meditator; the allegory remained a philosophical idea. If he had interpreted this allegory and had given it a turn towards meditation, the whole Western mind would have been different. This allegory would have changed the whole Western mind and the history that followed Plato - because Plato is the founder of the whole Western mind.
Socrates never wrote anything; he was Plato’s master. Whatever we have about Socrates is from Plato’s notes of him talking with others - the famous Socratic dialogues. As a student he was just taking notes on them. Those notes have survived. In those notes is this allegory. It is difficult to know for what purpose Socrates was using the allegory, but it is certain that Plato misused it - he was not a man who was in search of truth, he was a man who wanted to think about truth. But to search for truth is one thing and to think about truth is totally different: thinking keeps you within the cave. It is only non-thinking that can take you out of the cave."
Agreed, but we have to study Plato to understand Socrates. Plato was more left and his student Aristotle was more to the right.
Kindness and charity for the weak is just one of many things that Jesus stood for.
Religion once meant REALIGNMENT with the goal - a description of the "goal" - where are we going? - knowledge about what heart ultimately cares, and is currently missing; lost in propaganda. --been restored by my work.
TO HAVE that sense of belonging ordered by mystical forgiveness, imagination ordered by beauty, innocence ordered by possibility, wonder ordered by creativity,
(Only thing that can order the hope is understanding the concepts.)
with hope that joy will visit (5th lock and key) ... is the short version. Synonyms::
Magick of Goddess::
Magick of Charms::Lands of Enchantment::Glamoury::
Mystery ordered by magick.
Beautiful Chaos
1. Mystery - 4 Cautions
2. Imagination
3. Wonder
4. Hope
5. Joy - preferences
6. Innocence - freedom from guilt and blame.
7. Belonging
With the Implicit and Elegant Order
1. Magick
2. Beauty
3. Creativity
4. Critically Important Understanding of the Concepts
5. Compassion (caring born of sorrow)
6. Possibility
7. Forgiveness
Philosophy has its origins in Wonder.
(Plato)
I wonder, did any Philosophers think that one day in the future ,we would all be holding hands across the world and singing songs of unity? Funny, they never mention anything even close to that!😊
Plato's Politeia is definitely no utopian manual on how to build a perfect State, that is just a method of the epistemological inquiry underneath it.
His utopia definitely would work he literally would give everyone the opportunity to be a ruler but if they fail the first test they get to be producers which is not a bad thing it’s better than democracy which even the founding fathers didn’t want democracy for people are not so bright in the head to chose leader with morals, ethics, and principles they choose Demagogue
@@Captaiesqueleto I think you misunderstood my comment. I agree with most of what you said, and some of it you even said quite well. Yet, the core idea of the Politeia is not a political manual on how to build a good state, which most people do believe, but an epistemological inquiry of "what is justice and what is good" through the act of building a state. That's all - and I agree that Plato's principles are valid to this day, but I don't want to open up a commentary way in case you disagree. I wasted a big portion of my life on that.
No it is not, this is just youtube content, you're exxagerated
Can a perfectly just society ever exist, or are injustice and inequality inevitable parts of human nature?
It won't
There is also a 14-point definition of Magick -- if missing this one, ignorance ensues. The most profound timeless energy is curiosity, curios enough to honestly ask a question. Ego head wont ask for help, too scared of thinking it is "less-than." If not asking questions, one might be totally asleep in there ... doh.
Wow Plato had it right
the biggest problem with this system is what to do when the best end up dying due to causes outside causes... the philosophers have about 30 years at best to rule if in ideal health, takes half a century to incubate into being... this is a huge investment that needs a very stable source to form....without being subverted by those hostile and by biases within the tests themselves. this is also true of insufficient axillaries in the face of overwhelming outside forces or insufficiency of specific types of workers in an crisis or emergency.
subtitles would be cool or more text
My apologies, I thought I had added them (English) to this video. I will get on that asap, thank you for letting me know!
@@LetsTalkPhilosophy Bro you're hard working person gotta appreciate your endeavour
The trump Error was a perfect example of how demigods can rise to power when citizens become complacent about their government as well as their responsibility to protect it...
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Fascinating. No matter what you do when it comes to dealing with mankind, they are unpredictable. We do not fight against flesh and blood . We fight against the wicked forces of spiritual evil. Of course Jesus didn't come until later. But Plato was correct almost. Yes we need a God and we need to obey Him. But this God has to be the true God. I wonder what Plato would say about Jesus Christ and His message. I'd say he'd recognize His genius rather quickly, but could he understand He is God.
i suppose an all encompassing education on Plato is not possible within 15 mins
Interesting… I wonder what he would think of the Neo-Athenian constitution.
Your guess would probably be better than mine here, I am not familiar with this work. Thanks for taking the time to watch and respond!
I do not want to be a hero or a villain. l am not trying to be a good person or a bad
person. l am exactly the kind of person l need to be in any given situation. lf l'm good
or bad in that situation is not for me to say but for an outside observer. If 100 people
observe me in that situation they will create 100 different ideas about how good or
bad a person l am. None of their observations change the reality of who l am.
Countless students enveloped with his thought, many are in 2022, but for some reasason people can't look on to a groundbreaking internet video sharing content can't learn about a man from 2400 B.C from videos older than 8 years old... I'm afraid that history being manipulated this time.
Building Utopia.....shows picture of dystopian city.
On RUclips Stoicism has Plato beat all over the place.
Greek philosophy, Roman law/order, and Catholic Theology.
Plato the father of western philosophy and all of its flaws.
wait it seems like education wasnt available to all, some were put to work before learning everything ... at least if they wanted to know, should be available, at least night school lol.
MARX GOT MOST OF HIS BASIC CONCEPTS FROM PLATO HIS CLASSLESS SOCIETY IS PLATO'S GYPSIFIED IDEAL STATE
BCE? 🤦🏼♂️
It's for people who graduated from Sunday School and kept studying other things.
Before Christ Existed,Maybe
Was Plato psychic? 🤔Hmmm
No wonder our public education system doesn’t teach Plato or any relevant knowledge to earning a living, social skills or civil responsibilities.
you look at how strong all these people where... nobody like that now... all these pills and injections are clearly not normal.
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Philosophy Plato attention. I just found out puzzler that platypus from eggs the contract idol bit hand like alligator looked like dog that still looked platypus. Dog from eggs walk like serpent on legs their idol looked croc dragon plush toys
Bump
Do you think his friends called him “Plate!?” 🤔🤪
You can't be pro Republic and anti democratic... The foundational principles of a Republic is that the power lies in the hands of the people... How would you propose correlating the collective will of the people without some form of democratic process?... Rhetorical question you can't! Well put together video, other than the right wing political undertow.
Plato was nothing compare to Aristotle
There are many who believe that, I might say that Aristotle had a greater intellect, but Plato takes the cake in creativity. The age old battle between art and science! But this will always remain subjective. Cheers for watching the video friend.
Aristotle was influnced by plato
Nooo you're mor*n Plato is everything
your definition religion doesn't work ... you described more a control factor of fear, supernatural mind games --- WHEN realignment had nothing to do with fear.
Bce is weird
Read it as "Before Christ Era"
Both parties satisfied
This sounds like the prequel to the hunger games or that movie snow preacher...the back of the train alwase has spair parts...........use your own kids leve mine alone
Plato promotes lack
is there anyone in the field of philosophy who has a healthy brain?
Play-Doh
Plato was write about education being necessary.
The U.S education system is a failure and look at how divided our democratic Republic is.
If only we could actually fix our broken systems.
Published 4 years ago.. I wonder if this youtuber made this thinking trump resembled all these negative characteristics. And I wonder what he thinks now.
I bet my life Trump will restore order and prosperity. Him and Plato would have been bros if they lived in the same time
Better than the current system but not even close to perfect
I would agree, I am not sure what would make a perfect state. I wonder how I would recognize when it had become so?
All men were NOT created equal; that was not possible. get over it. Define what is different, or sit down. Believe nothing, find out for yourself. Transform and Transcend Ambiguity and Chaos.
Ambiguity is undetermined. Anxiety is ambiguous. Anxiety is undetermined anger, hurt, fear or pity.
Ambiguity is threaded with Anxiety. Ambiguity is essential for growth. Chaos is essential for change.
Created antagonists don't change. These results don't belong on the resume of a supreme being, Carlin. heh
Is.neoliberalism
Plato was gay
🤣
Ruin comes when The traitor whose heart is lifted by wealth becomes ruler. Sounds very familiar. trump
I do not know much about the man, but perhaps you are correct. Thanks for taking the time to watch the video!
You misspoke. It's not B.C.E. it's B.C.
🤓☝️
BC is outdated
Nope you are wrong. BCE meaning before common Era this is the new standard way to represent the historical events
It’s the same shit. So he didn’t misspeak.
It's bc......only mental illness uses bce outta political correct bs