The Problem with Celebrity Church Culture & Celebrity Pastors | Daily Disciple
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- Big areas, big trendy glasses, yesses, t-shirts that go down to your knees, skinny jeans, life lessons instead of sermons, pastors as Christian celebrities instead of servents. Talk about how God wants to bless you, but no mention of his judgment. Everyone gathers to be entertained, but there is no true fruit of real life change. A church more concerned with relevance than with God’s revelation. A church more concerned with relatability then their accountability to God. This is celebrity Chruch Culturecelebrity pastors and it needs to change.
and it needs to change.
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I completely agree. The church is more worried about bringing people to church than it is about bringing souls to Jesus.
That right there!
That’s why there are more false converts in our day than any generation before. There are so many kids growing up in these churches and when they become young adults end up “falling away” because they start questioning things that should have been answered many years ago. As a person who is engaged in apologetics, I sometimes ask questions to people like, you believe in the Trinity right? They say yes. I ask why? Sometimes I met with a shrugged shoulder and sometimes I get, because the Bible teaches it. I say good, you’re right the Bible does teach it. My next question, can you please show me where throughout Scripture it teaches on the Trinity? Almost always I am met with I have no idea. For someone raised in the church they should absolutely know where to turn throughout Scripture and find where this doctrine is laid out. I personally was not raised in church and didn’t come to Christ until I was in my mid 20’s. I’m almost 35 now and I have come across so many people who barely know the foundational doctrines of the faith they claim to belong to. Something needs to change or we are setting the church in America up for destructive failure.
@@J.F.331 thank you for that. You are absolutely right. I wish there was more I could do in my church to make a difference. I didnt fully understand christianity until I started going to a christian school that goes deeply into the bible.
Correct, I have seen it get progressively more blatant in the Baptist church I was attending for over 10 years. They now water down the Word, focus constantly on giving, emphasizing "growth plans" and new building projects. Meanwhile anything that could be considered 'controversial' is shunned.
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You’re welcome. There are so many fantastic resources out there to properly learn biblical theology. But unfortunately the average Joe doesn’t know where to turn to get these resources. The church at large needs to stop worrying about feel good sermons on Sundays and equipping the Saints with how to understand their faith, defend it, and utilize it when engaging with others.
Something I see the church lacking is preaching on the coming of Jesus, these modern churches focus more on prosperity than putting the focus on God
Exactly!
EVERY CHURCH, in the world doesn't talk about Revelations, because people are scared of it. And what people don't understand is that for believers, all the tribulations that are mentioned in that book, we will not go through. Rapture happens first then the world will experience tribulations. It's a very important book to study.
Exactly!
God does not dwell in handmade temples and the Christ said let "no man" deceive you
This really convicted me, I was apart of a church like that for two years, and I felt more relevant to the world, than the kingdom of God. Tbh I enjoy fashion and stuff like that, but I don’t let that be the centerpiece of my heart when Jesus is the only person that should be the centerpiece of my heart. Thanks for your video man, I’m apart of a better church now that’s more in tune in Gods word now! Thanks man!
I wonder , if Jesus ever comes back, would he have a mega church with lights, big music, a private jet, big golden ring and watches, fancy clothing and super modern cars and a mansion to live OR he would live in a modest home, devoted to the need of the people ?
When He does come back it's not to live in any Earthly House but rather so He can Judge the World and to cast The satan into Hell for 1000 Years
When He comes back He will come as the Lion of Judah
They killed him and nobody cared and rooted for him to be crucified. I doubt if Jesus lived during these times that Jesus would be like any of these men. He would be hated and deemed as crazy.
@@mrmcface713 i do believe he said on a hipotheticl manner, like how would god live if he lived today
That would be cool
Church has become a big business. And show biz. Its not about community friendship and accountability anymore.
Love this Isaac, thank you for your bold stand here! The church needs more fire of the true gospel being preached: repentance, salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ🙌🏻
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That little skit on “relevant church was halarious! You should do more of that 😂😂
this is a great video! I used to go to a church like this and now after quarantine my family is now gonna go to a more Christ-centered church!
For the record, you should probably watch Fighting for the Faith (if you do not already), which is all about biblical discernment over sermons from these churches.
I appreciate that Mark, I've listened to many episodes!
That channel is 🗑
@@calebgibson55 How so or can you give an example?
@@barbs1298 Take a look at the thumbnails. He is a hater of great Christians. Also he is a Reformed Cessatist.
@@calebgibson55 What do you mean by hater of great Christians? Just trying to gain some insight. I like how he sticks to the Bible, but by cessationist you mean he doesn't believe in the gifts?
It is so hard to find sound teaching or a good church anywhere. There is so much division in the Church. I think Rosebrough is at least saved. Salvation is primary to the preaching of the Word.
Wow, absolutely loved this video, 100% facts
And since I found you on tiktok, I'll say: Ladies and gentleman, the volume inside this bus, it's astronomical, it is waaaay too loud😂🙌🏼
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I did briefly go to the Elevation Church and left they are not biblical. Steven Furtick tried to hide his giant house too under a trust.
I did too. Felt constant tug in my spirit to get out. Many issues there, sadly.
I had a discussion about this with a friend and he informed that as long as the focus with the preachers sermons, is on life lessons, man centred instead of God centered, a you focused approach then a Jesus focused approach, then that's were the problem lies. He also mentioned that some of these churches include aspects of the world culture, they put on shows, entertainment, advertise using movies and certain secular songs etc. And I didn't see a big issue with it at first until I came across other churches which just as much influence but their sermons and social media platforms presented a more God focused approach. I can't speak on what I see, because only God knows the true contents of a man's heart. So we pray and hope that the pastor's, churches etc that we surround ourselves with don't lose sight of God in everything they do.
I remember back in the old days at the baptist church we attended, there was no entertainment. We all sang and praised God and worshipped together. If you didn’t know the words you grabbed the hymnal in the pew in front of you! Now it’s a production or a one man/woman show. I think the old way was so much better…so much more real.
You're right about many churches becoming entertainers. I have seen it get progressively more blatant in the church I was attending for over 10 years. They now water down the Word, focus constantly on giving, emphasizing "growth plans" and new building projects. Meanwhile anything that could be considered 'controversial' is shunned.
That’s in any church which is why I was pretty much shunned from the last church I was at all because I questioned the elder. Thankfully God saved me from that crap of a relationship. This is why I follow God and not people.
I miss the days of a Church. A real Church. Nothing trendy or new. That kind of Church was about the Bible …. Jesus Christ…. And the Holy Spirit from beginning to end.
Great video
Thank u for it
Jesus is Lord
It’s not about perfection but about direction🙌🏾 so apt!
Idk really I once heard one of those pastors teach something which really helped me. Honestly I'm just a young thirteen year old christian so I'm still learning
Be decerning, keep looking to the scriptures for truth! Thanks for watching :)
@@DailyDisciple cool thx
You will never go wrong reading the sermons of past giants of the faith like Charles Spurgeon
The thing is the Lord can use even enemies to teach you something I’m also a young Christian not telling my age but I’m close to your age
Pray for God's wisdom & direction. Stay close to Him in prayer & talking to Him daily. He will show you the way. It's not that God doesn't want these pastors to preach something that helps you, but they should always point you to Jesus, the Word & keeping Him first in your life. He is a friend who sticks closer than a brother & that will help you when hard times hit as they do in everyone's life. Jesus won't remove our problems, but He will be our strength & be there for us as we go through them. He will send us those we need.
The more popular a preacher becomes, the more problems will rise. And if you can’t hear the congregation singing because the band is to loud, it’s a bit of a red flag for me.
I hope this message reaches you. I am enjoying your content more and more. You are a God centered Christian youtuber, that's so rare its usually just "christian" gossip. May God bless and keep you
Oh yes true it is actually Christian gossip.
That sponsorship bit caused me actual physical pain, not least because I’ve seen and been to churches like that.
The 'sponsor' video was on point but also hard to watch because it was so accurate.
Thanks for the video, it was great, especially the sponsored "Relevant Church" clip 😂.
Two things came to my mind:
1. In my experience smaller churches can have several of the attributes you described, so this might not necessarily be a "celebrity" phenomenon.
2. I don't follow most of the churches you showed in your intro montage, but I listened to several sermons from Elevation Church and got deeper insight into scripture and had God challenging me.
Thanks for your thoughts!
The bible says DO NOT conform...
I go to a modestly-sized Church of Christ right around the corner from my house. We average around 300 people on any given Sunday. I went to a Pentecostal mega-church once for an event and I was very weirded out. Like this ain't what being a Christian is about guys. Not one mention of the Bible or any reference back to a verse for the entire service. I was dressed in slacks, flats, and a nice blouse, while everyone around me was trying to make a fashion statement. Most bizarre experience in my whole life and it just made me so much more grateful for my smaller, conservative, Christ-centered church family
I've just subscribed! Thank you for this!
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Amen brother, good message. So much is wrong, it's getting bad
God bless you brother!! Not very young men of God have the bravery to call out the “modern” “trendy” church of today. I love your videos keep letting God use you.
I think I may share this on my FB page. Thank you for not attacking so much as explaining what is wrong with this approach
Amen brother thanks for speaking out against this.
I'm hopeful that God will bring many back to their first love
Boom💥... hit the nail right on the head. I have one test and that is "was God glorified".
As an ex-EC volunteer, I confirm
If a celebrity can become a pastor, can a pastor become a celebrity? And, if a pastor does become famous/a celebrity would that some how diminish their effectiveness in their own local community?
God bless you brother Isaac...
Good questions to ask!
Profound...
During worship a few months ago the presence of God was so evident, but to 2 separate people, one told us what they saw and the told the pastor. They said they saw a cloud, beginning at the stage moving to the back of the room. It was simple but it was encouraging to hear. I didn't have to see it though to know the LORD was pleased with our praises to Him.
What's amazing about God is that He doesn't need a man made atmospheric mist. When His presence fills the place He provides these tangible encounters.
Thank you for sharing this powerful message to us both keep preaching the word of God to so they can understand more what should be with the Holy spirit or not because I'm sure someone pastors are to show off their selves instead of working into faith and we all need to like Jesus🙏
Year later and I’m just now finding your videos. Just subscribed. Keep speaking truth
how am i just finding this channel, you speaking real facts!!
You know what I respect most about your channel, in every video I've seen so far as you address these topics you are still preaching about God, you always refer back to the word of God and it's like "with all I'm saying, what is God saying."
You may not be a pastor or leader of a church, but you are still being a servant in your own way, sharing the word of God, tackling these topics that a lot of us are honestly confused on. The world is changing but God doesn't change, he is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow. It's like whatever is going on in the world, always turn to God beforehand, during and after.
Hi Isaac, I pray Father finishes the good work he’s started in you, exceedingly and abundantly above all that you can ask or think, in Jesus name.
yooo relevant church is so dope brooo hahaa Love your skits Isaac !
Much needed!! Thank you
Saw a good example of this the other night on TBN where they were showing the hype of the fans before a pastor conference and a woman crying and saying "if I could just meet 'so-so', they're amazing!" And the network deliberately aired that before showing the following messages delivered. Stuff like that makes me cringe. Being in that leader's shoes I personally would be like "no, please don't air these fans gushing over me, the focus should be on Jesus not me" but that's rarely seen. These pastors will mention idolatry in their sermons and refer to things like coffee or something, but never about themselves. Unfortunately I'm hesitant to put on these Christian networks anymore because they're slowly edging out the meat giving pastors and replacing their air time with these water-downed milk pastors. I have nothing against Christians who are still growing and still on the milk of the Word, but we see how dangerous it is when we put shallow rooted Christians in high authority roles. Pray for the body of Christ!
I think it’s more about Preference. I’m burden by the church makes secondary issues major ones. Yes the entertainment aspects can be much but people are still hearing the gospel and coming to God.
Are they hearing a complete and hard-hitting gospel?
Woah! It's as if the "woke" church is heading back to pre-reformation days. I've noticed a lot of what you said more recently and it's scary.
Great video + so much truth!! Love the voice effects as well!
Thanks Anna!
Great video, brother. Also, the sponsor clip killed me ... 😂
Thank you for this video. I resently left my old church because I was beginning to feel that they were becoming too focused on being entertaining and "showy" than focusing on The Word. The church I currently attend is much smaller but the pastor goes through Bible more or less verse by verse explaining context, and clarifying any thing we may have questions on. It's really informative and I am starting to better understand the Bible and God.
But I'll be honest I'm still torn about my old church. I don't think that the pastor is a deceiver, I really do believe he is a man of God. But he's just seems more concerned with gaining numbers that imparting the knowledge of the Bible.
I haven't told many of the people I know that I'm going to another church, the few I have told get a bit defensive when I criticize the pastor's way of preaching. I feel at odds with them.
Praise God for all he is doing in your life! I'm thankful that you are providing this sort of content. God bless.
If they are mad at you for criticizing the pastors way of teaching then they are following him more then they are Jesus it seems. Idk everyone should be questioning everything.
That’s awesome that’s what the Imperfect Church in New York does. That pastor is great! I always listen to his sermons they have led me closer to Jesus.
May I ask what church you attend now?
@@annmarie6870 Mad isn't the correct word, just defensive. I haven't been shunned or anything. They're just protective of that church since they feel (I believe any way) this church and by extension the pastor were placed in their life by God.
@@annmarie6870 no offense I'm a boomer when it comes to talking to people on the internet. I'm not all that comfortable giving any detailed information about myself.
Awesome video 👏🏾👏🏾 I especially like the map analogy! I’m definitely going to use it
i go to a a church where the only guideline is the bible and there is only about 20 people and everyone knows each other and we get chair and stuff from the corner, just started going there with my family and we love it, much better than the huge churchs
I really need small gathering of people worshipping God together
Church is really about going there to WORSHIP the Only TRUE GOD OUR FATHER, JEHOVAH, the creator of the UNIVERSE and His Son JESUS CHRIST through His HOLY SPIRIT. Anything else is IDOLATRY.
I ve noticed this it's so common in so many churches but I've been it in the army first. It just seems like human nature they are given a lording status and humility slowly goes out the window. It's sad really but look at Saul who was made king and strayed away. It's rare if a person is slowly and genuinely loves the congregation that's why I feel like the Bible model of having elders in charge is best!🎉❤
Brother..
Whatever you said was true..
And the acting is 😂 so cool bro
I love this channel God bless!
I'm with you. That ad was very weird. Oh, good message btw.
There is a difference between bringing people to church and bring people to Jesus/God
One sees statistics while the other sees salvation
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To put this into perspective, many people go to church, but few have relationships with Christ.
Whenever you bring someone to church, is it meet a quota (fill the church as much as you can) or is it to help have a personal relationship with Jesus?
also we need to fear god into everything we are doing to make a difference in your life and he is the greater of this would aware king aware saver and Lord 🙏 and this message is for every child of god in 🇺🇸
This video was awesome, I really enjoyed your "fake ad" lol
Facts brother 1000 percent nicely put God Bless
There's a great documentary on this called American Gospel. Really great film debunking Prosperity Gospel.
You are exactly right, sir.
Your analogy with the map reminds me of the worldly wise man from pilgrim's progress
Thanks for posting a video that has lead to conversation in our small group. While I can not say that I agree with all you said, I would like to challenge you to dig into the other side of this "celebrity church issue".
Well said! Sadly disturbing
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Your videos are very insightful
the relevant church commercial had me so hurtttttt lol it was so corny i loved it.
Jesus Loves You!!
Amen brother
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Yes🙌🏻🙏🏻 Love this. Thank you for bringing this up.
Really cool video but I gotta ask, from what you said in the beginning which were like t-shirts that go over the knee, yesses, skinny jeans, are implying that these are not allowed to worn in church? I just want to ask this question just for clarifications and not to attack. I hope you I answer my question. Thank and God bless
These churches are more of a social club, than anything related to the Bible or what the church should be.
They also teach advice similar to pop psychology, business, occultist ideas, mixture of multiple religions, and so on.
This is what I like about my Catholic faith. Our mass is meant for confirmed catechized Catholics… it has always been that way because The early church was outlawed under penalty of death by the Romans. It wasn’t a “come as you are and check if it’s for you” kind of congregation. I know other Christian denominations bring people to the faith that way and there’s nothing wrong with that..UNLESS it’s like this video says and it’s about entertainment
The checkerboard reminds me of Freemason (on your wall) please take it down
I think it all comes down to preference. There are bad big or “mega” churches and there are bad small churches in the world. I go to a fairly big church that has modern worship music and is casual with clothing and I fully believe God led me there. If people like smaller more traditional churches than great but I don’t think there’s anything wrong if people prefer the more modern style churches. As long as the word of God is getting preached correctly
Agree with this video. It's why Pastor Furtick can feel it's ok to make that "cool" trendy satanic hand sign in public in his church. I think with the illustration you gave with relevant church I don't know if I agree that it's a problem for the church to try to appeal to the youth in a way that will speak to them in a way they'll understand
What hand sign did he do?
Im surrounded by these churches and have no options.
If the MODEL is wrong, the RESULTS will always be wrong.
He use to be fam..but now hes bae....
I lost it.....that's too funny
check it, like many pastors, he fell into a trap. it is a sign of the devil when pastors or worshipers need 2000.- Dollar Suit, big cars, big houses, live like celebretys etc. for their ego. Dont spend for such a church and cancel it. they know as much about god as a bike does from a maserati.
When fame and wealth comes before the will of God you have an issue.
May God bless u❤️
I would love you to see a church in Europe Romania ,small true church
I disagree with the “no real life change”. Because lives are changed, maybe lacking some things like all churches lack… but my life changed tremendously through a church that was trendy, but had discipleship that covered all the other stuff
I live in Europe, and this flashy church-showbusiness is a very American thing, it seems to me - but it is starting here as well, which is a pity.
PS: Great impression of the hipster pastor at 6:25, by the way!
Ummm......spell check? No one noticed in the Relevant Church ad that something was wrong with “Chruch”?
I think it was on purpose
love your vids isaac!
Halleujah
ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR AND REPENT JESUS LOVES YOU HE DIED FOR YOU SO YOU COULD BE FORGIVEN ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS AND REPENT!🙏🙏 AMEN.’!!!!!!!
The Reformed people largely do many of the same things. Just because there's more gospel there doesn't mean that the red carpet and fanboy culture isn't problematic in its own right.
And this is why I got to Catholic church
I was that frustrated too. The Catholic Church don’t have all that trendy stuff and it has the strong connection to the past. However the Catholic Church still have its issues.
I miss the days when people dressed and looked like Church people and when people who went the Church were conservative and not ashamed.
Just subscribed love the channel
Some people refer to fog machines as "artifical talent enhancers". :)
AMEN
Hey Isaac, do you listen to Wretched Radio? Is that where you got becoming a "gospel partner" from? 👀👀👀
Okay... but you mentioned this as a "show"? As with these individuals, there is a camera and production with your "show". You are using RUclips which is a platform centered around "influencers" creating content. A synonym for "influencer", especially in our culture, is... "celebrity". As these pastor strategize with their sermon titles, you strategically titled this video in a way that would garner views. Honest question, how exactly are you different?
I am truly trying to ponder on this present reality. In some way, with social media, I feel there is an inescapability to all this. And I am really wondering how to live in this tension and reality of sorts...
Celebrity churches follow business models created by false teachers. (money is important than Jesus. Man Centered Preaching rather than God centered.) Most of them care about entertainment, how to attract followers using worldly methods. You use worldly methods you produce worldly followers. They care to please people rather than to please God. Pray for discernment. ♥️🙏
@@alohawhy Sums it up nicely!
I think between the group of people wanting entertainment above all and the group of people wanting tradition above all, the eyes can get off of Christ.
I was in a church today where the pastor was giving an overview of Jonah for his sermon. 4 chapters and he really only summarized 2. He didn't read any Scripture, nor did any members have any Bibles out. I'm trying to keep up with where he is and he keeps moving on. Nothing he said was wrong. It was very basic, but not at all wrong. The problem is that no one had their "map" open and he wasn't reading the "directions" out loud, anyhow. Heresy could so easily occur in such a situation, it's scary! But you see things like that a lot around the UK, I find. It seems like the churches in the US are more interested in theology which is really sad. Great for the US, mind.
Relevant chruch
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Hi, i am just curious if you attend a church?
Watch the Netflix documentary - 'American Gospel: In Christ Alone'. Great one.
Yeah I can see truth in both camps.
Hi. Does it have another title cause I can't find it on netflix?
@@ruvimbopasi6214 it is not on Netflix anymore for some reason! Not sure why, Google should lead to some other platforms it might be on. Hope it helps
@@Patrickgsouza Thank you, will check it out on the movie streaming sites🤝
God does not dwell in handmade temples and the Christ said let "no man" deceive you😮
Oh no. My church’s name is literally Relevant . Is this bad?
Life lessons instead of sermons 🥴👍🏽
Truth !