If homosexuality were okay, Sodom and Gomorrah deserve an apology. And if they deserve an apology from God, then God made a mistake. And if God made a mistake, he’s not perfect. And if God is not perfect, then there is no standard for morality and we all deserve to be in heaven because God is just like us and we don’t need Jesus🤦🤦🤦
God also wouldn’t be God if He made a mistake, because God by definition is the greatest possible being; and the greatest possible being can’t make mistakes, that would make Him less than. Therefore the God that can make mistakes, the God that progressive Christians believe in: is not God. He’s a figment of their imagination, ultimately an idol.
Honestly, any Christian who doesn’t acknowledge the Bible as an authoritative source... is not going to be speaking from a point of truth, but a point of feeling and worldly logic. (Which is not true wisdom).
I believe you can come to faith without acknowledging a physical copy of scripture as being The Word Of God. Think back to medieval times. You had all that ornate stained glass of Bible stories and paintings of Biblical events. Most of people back then couldn't even read. People could become Christians through other means than coming to know the "Bible", but the faith should still line up with what the Bible states. (not arguing, just stating my opinion) I believe the Bible IS the Word Of God, but I think you can get the gospel without being in the Bible, even if being in the Bible / scriptures is exceedingly helpful.
@@XSquibX Absolutely sister. Once we start to cherry pick one rule, there is no reason whatsoever, that we should follow any of them. I always like to ask someone who is making a moral claim that is either not Biblical, or they themselves are not Christian: "What authority are you appealing to when you make that claim". If they say "me" or "society", then that may as well mean nothing. If they say "God" or "the Bible", then that can be tested.
@@marissajones1840 I guess not believing in the Bible is like being married, but not believing in the marriage vows. Dangerous. Also, I would agree that they are not Christian if they reject the Bible. Jesus certainly didn't reject scripture. He fulfilled it. If someone rejects the Bible, they reject the One who inspired it. They may think that they are following Jesus, but they have crafted for themselves a false Christ. In Greek, we call that an "anti Christos" - a "false Christ".
@@ThePhotoshopExpert-JM yeah my point is we always want to call these people christians simply because they say they are because how can you say you believe in God if you don't even know who He is?
When people don’t have the Holy Spirit they talk what their itching ears want to hear, the Holy Spirit will teach us what’s right in sexuality especially when there’s conviction
People who have the Holy Spirit can commit all kinds of assumptions that they rationalize as "The Spirit" giving them "a word". Or verse. But, I've been around the block for a while with the more conservative and liberal of Christians and we ALL commit this error. Salvation is lifelong and we must look in the mirror for our hypocrisies, be open to being wrong, welcome correction. Sometimes the very person you are criticizing ( the Progressive here ) might very well be on to something of the Spirit. Any Conservative that doesn't leave their ears open might quench the Spirit's instruction.
When I first found your Tik Tok and checked out your RUclips, I heard you were Canadian and I got concerned that you might be more lukewarm because Canada is usually worse with that than the USA. I was happily and welcomingly wrong. I’m so glad that you hold the same view that I do. The ones that the Lord laid out for us.
@@hazel6323 I wasn't definitively assumming anything... Statistically speaking, it is more likely that a canadian person has more views that are concidered "left-leaning" than an American. I was just pointing out that I'm glad that he seems like a stand up guy which is more than I can say for most of America...
“I’m certain that we can’t be certain about anything, because being certain is arrogant.” That’s the definition of a hypocritical statement, and intellectual dishonesty. He’s claiming that knowing is arrogant, yet he claims to know that we cannot know. Doing exactly what he criticized others for, which is what Jesus was referring to when He said “do not judge or you will be judged by the same standard.” “Take out the log from your own eye before you take out the plank in your brother’s eye.”
I remember watching the full videos and hearing Colby speak, I couldn't help thinking multiple times "this isn't a conservative v progressive conversation this is a conservative v atheist conversation." It was hard to listen to but Owen did a wonderful job engaging with Colby. I have this mental picture of Owen walking on a firm, solid foundation and Colby struggling to walk on what he deconstructed which is just piles of brokenness. He's been hurt and didn't have a strong understanding of who God is so it's not shocking to see the struggle he's going through.
Great video. It’s dangerous waters when we don’t take the bible as authoritative. I see the trend lately of “well that’s your interpretation”. Sure maybe but when the writers were speaking they meant exactly what they were saying. So either we are right on what they said or we are wrong
Sure, i do also take the bible as authoritative, but it doesn't mean that i don't pay attention to the different ways of reading text, especially when dealing anient texts like the Bible. The words might suggest one thing to us in the 21st century but have meant something very different to the people who wrote them a long ago. To say what a biblical text teaches us today, you first have to understand the text in its original situation and then apply the meaning to the present situation. To be very clear with you, everything that is written in the bible has validity, I am aware that the Word of God is perfect and that nobody denies it. The literal reading claims to take the text simply for what it says. This is the approach of Biblical Fundamentalism. It claims not to be interpreting the text but merely to be reading as it stands. Clearly, however, even fundamentalistm follows a rule of interpretation, a simple and easy rule. The rule is that a text means whatever it means to somebody reading it today. Now, compare the other approach, the historical-critical thinking. Now the approach here is called "historical" because it requires you to place the text in its original historical and cultural context before deciding what it means. This approach is called "critical" because it requires careful reflection and detailed analysis of the Bible. The word critical is NOT used here in the more familiar sense "trying to find fault with something" but in the sense of the current phrase, critical thinking. An example, one day you are in a course with a teacher and he teaches you a class on such a topic, and later, you go to the library to find out more about the subject. You go to the library NOT because you are questioning the teacher, but rather because you want to enrich yourself with more information or get out of your comfort zone. Why do you think that the bible was used to justify slavery, inquisition, subyugation of women, flat-earth arguments? I hope my argument did help you!
@@dostoyevski9423 well that’s definitely why context exists. My study Bible helps with that. Also why I like the Bible is that it’s not a utopian fiction. Non believers hate it because it’s not a utopian fiction and is probably the most offensive text in the history of mankind even simply because of what Jesus says about being the “Truth”. People take good and twist it for evil. Also back then slavery was used by everyone, as my East African ancestors were also enslaved by the Arabs which had the biggest slave trade in history. Contrary to popular belief that only white people “committed atrocities”. Some people in history were called “slaves” and were paid = employees today basically. People took something nutral and forgot about historical context and the complexities of life to justify their harmful and stupid actions just like when I was a lukewarm I avoided Bible passages and knowledge about why lust is bad to get away with my P0rN addiction. Other then that non believers demonize Christians today and call us oppressors just because of someone’s twisted interpretation. It weird being black with close African decent and Christian 😂 because slavery is always used as an anti Christianity argument
Yes through the power of the Holy Spirit even a child can comprehend the essence of the gospel, but let us never forget that what happened upon Calvary was the greatest display of gods love, power, and sovereignty. The gospel should not be something we learn in 10 minutes then go on to the next lesson, but something that we look at daily and learn from. No matter how long we will never fully comprehend the greatness of the gospel.
Isaac, I'm so delighted by your videos. You express God's heart in your words to us, and that gives me hope for the future. We have those that make God who they want Him to be, and that hurts, but it feels great to know there are those like you that preach truth and sanctity in the midst of a morally-suffering culture. Thank you for being an inspiration!
It seems like he’s tip toeing around make definitive statements about what he truly believes and he won’t come out and say it because it will invalidate his entire position. You can’t serve 2 masters. He’s been blinded by the enemy with the “attractive” and tolerant way of thinking because it allows people to have a subjective sense of truth which is really being delusional. We all have that to a certain degree because of pride but may the Lord continue to reveal the truth to us.
Fellow Believers are at different stages of their Faith, that is why we should be praying for God to show them mercy and guide them towards truth. Lets be less condemning and more praying for the lost. I wouldnt be here today, if my family and friends didnt pray for me while i was lost. The most terrifying and rejoicing thing is that God disciplines those who he loves. Thank you God for your faithfulness and never giving up on us.
I thought it as so ironic that he says that we cannot be certain of anything, and then basically says that the fruit of the spirit that comes to us from the Holy Spirit is the best we got. He was so close but yet so far!!
Also, claiming that we can’t be certain of anything and that there is no absolute truth is a paradox. If we can’t be certain of anything, then how can you be certain that we can’t? If there is no absolute truth, why should we believe you when you say there is no absolute truth?
We dont, all right and wrong come from God. If we take God out of right and wrong. Then it is whatever we say is right. And we have all of history to show what happens when we set the morals.
Oh humans know what is right and wrong alright. What changes is the desire to do right and wrong. That urging to do good in us comes from God. When we set God to the side and ignore that voice, we do what we want to do instead and it leads us down the path of wrong. We do it enough times and come up with enough excuses and it starts to become natural and seem good, because we can no longer hear that voice telling us to stop. We've drowned it out for so long and become desensitized to it.
@@ayybeealternative1999 How so that’s not true at all God knew Evil before the tree of good and evil but what was evil was not knowledge of good and evil(God is not evil)but rather disobeying God
Just started watching your videos Isaac and I've enjoyed them a lot. What a wonderful ministry to help true Christians and unbelievers believe the right doctrine and have the right foundation😊
I read the Bible and use my connection with the holy Spirit. We can know truth through the holy Spirit. That is what Jesus sent us that when he was not with us anymore.
this is very true. However if you feel you're being guiding in a way that is counter to scripture that is a massive indication that it is not the Holy Spirit that is guiding you.
He's basically making the case that because we ate from the tree of knowledge that we don't need God to tell us what's up. Essentially missing the point of the story. He's the center of his universe.
Appealing to cultural morality will leave you in a muddy mess because it will always change! It’s not like we have become more good over the years as a human race 🌝
"Trying to know exactly what is right and what is wrong, I know that we don't have any way to have certainly on that." - Colby Martin, Progressive Christian Pastor He knows that we can't know. There is no way to know absolute truth. My question, are you absolutely sure? We must reject this false doctrine. Literally, the first sin of mankind stemmed from this question, "Did God really say...?"
No one is good enough to be saved, therefore no one is good enough to stay saved. Repentance is a change that takes place with what you believe. The thief on the cross is a great example. We are fallen, deserving punishment, but Christ is good and holy. However, even though Christ was innocent, He received the wrath we all deserve. If we believe He took our place in punishment, we shall be saved. This belief changes how we think and what we do. There is nothing we can do to be saved, and there is nothing we can do to stay saved. Therefore there is nothing to be proud about or boast because salvation is a gift, not an earning. Salvation is fully on the work that was done through Jesus as the Passover lamb. On judgement day, God no longer sees our iniquity, but sees the righteousness of Christ if His blood has cleansed us, causing God’s wrath to Passover us. If someone believes the good they do grants themselves forgiveness, they don’t believe what Jesus did is enough for their salvation. If righteousness came by the law, then Jesus died in vain. This is pride, which is opposed by God. That is why Jesus is our only hope, cause there is no good thing in us, that is, in our sinful flesh. We deserve to die, but God has offered us life through the blood of the messiah. Why has God offered us life? Because He loves us and doesn’t want us to die. Ye are saved by grace through faith, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God: not of works, lest anyone should boast. Thank God Salvation is not done through works, we’d all go to hell.
I love your channel, I just recently found it and you are doing good work. You encourage me in my walk daily, and when I have that empty feeling after a long week your videos always help redirect my thoughts towards what really matters. Thank you for being Christ focused!
Interesting how the one guy is certain that we can't be certain about anything, then immediately talks about discerning between good and bad fruit. If we can't really know what's right and wrong, how exactly are we supposed to know the difference between good and bad fruit? He doesn't even realize how he just keeps defeating his own argument.
What really happened to him that he had turned away from the word of God ? He can't be Christian. You have faith in God and trust His word or you don't. You can't have it both ways. Holy Spirit! That is how! Truth stands firm!
Can I ask you a question? Why must we make the false dichotomy that one guy is totally right, and the other is totally wrong? Couldn't they both be a little bit right and a little bit wrong? We are imperfect human beings which is why we need grace. I don't think that any one human has a 100% perfect understanding of the nature of God. Claiming perfect understanding of anything...especially God...is what is arrogant. So in that sense, the progressive guy is right and is actually being humble about that. If we are really honest with ourselves, *no one* knows with complete certainty what God is, and what God wants for us. That is what FAITH is for. We can use the Bible as a tool for understanding truth, but we also have to use the faculty of reason that God has given us humans. But we can't make the Bible an idol. What the progressive guy is saying is that there IS a standard for morality, and that standard is Jesus' life and teachings. I think the conservative guy is right that we do need a standard for morality, and that the standard comes from God. But I disagree that the standard is the Bible. I see so many Christians idolizing the Bible in that way and just completely throw out all rationality in doing so. My friend, JESUS is the standard, not the Bible. We can understand Jesus through the Bible, but not all of Jesus' moral standards are held up through the entirety of the Bible. The Bible is full of all sorts of sin being idealized: slavery, greed, lust, murder, incest, rape, war, etc, etc. Those things do not align with the standard of the life and teachings of Jesus. The Bible was written by all sorts of flawed humans, and it shows. What the progressive guy is talking about with the fruits of the spirit is what JESUS said...and Jesus is the standard. I agree that we can know if something is moral and from God by whether it bears the fruits of the spirit, and can be confirmed through our conscience via the holy spirit. Jesus himself told us this, and Jesus is the standard.
You can't say "we've made it this far" and include polytheistic and pantheistic religions in that "we." It was Christianity specifically that gave rise to the modern sciences and Judaism that first acknowledged objective moral law and the source of said moral law. Other religions have rituals and stories about the gods. Christianity has reason and standards from God. When you build lives, communities, and nations on that foundation, we've seen how that turns out after a few hundred years. When you deviate or build on a different foundation, we've also seen how that plays out over time.
Non- believer," you can't be certain of anything!" Believer, " you can't be certain of anything?" Non- believer, " yes!" Believer, " are you certain of that?" Non- believer, "......." Dude, made a definitive truth claim about not being able to have a definitive truth clam. It's scary to see so called pastors out there that teach people this. Brothers and sisters in Christ hold fast to God's Word and the truth it revels. Pray for both these men, one to keep standing firm in his faith and to fight the good fight, and the other to repent and turn from his undifinitive clam to truth and back to the unshakable standard of God's truth. Love you bro, love this channel, keep preaching the true Gospel 👍!
@@jmdsservantofgod8405 murder is defined as the killing of the innocent. Obviously this world is flawed and as a Christian myself I would not join the military because it's so corrupted. All that being said, if the military were used to defend God's commandments and protect his people, the killings would be biblically justified. I see your point of view given what militaries across the world are doing and their atrocious acts
the principle of the Bible is that it interprets itself by comparing verse to verse. the Word of God is one great whole, and for every difficult passage there are other passages through which it can be more easily understood. thank you for your great videos! God bless you brother.
Hey Isaac, have you watched either of Colby's conversations with Sean McDowell? Sean definitely drives him into more depth about the nuts and bolts of how his beliefs and practices work.
2nd Opinions Well church gather around cuz we got us a problem There's a lot of inspiration floatin' around these days Words that paint a pretty picture But you won't find them in the scripture That's because there all from the book of second opinions Well they'll say follow your heart where ere it leads you Just let that little voice inside you show the way I guess the million-dollar question. Is that your heart or indigestion? Cuz the hearts been known to lead a fool astray It ain't hard to get hooked on the book of second opinions We'd rather live our own truth Don't tell us what to do, just what we want to hear But it's high time we turned our interest To God's word instead of Pinterest And finally close the book of second opinions We'll say everything happens for a reason Just to give our foolish ways a clever spin And I've heard it said the Lord won't give you anything you can't handle But the truth is we can't handle anything without Him You say I don't have to change Cuz it's just the way I am I got all the proof I need right here in my Enneagram I can tell myself it's always been about me So give me love and positivity But all the good vibes in the world Will never make a dead heart beat Well the world might tell you all roads lead to heaven Well to that there's just one thing l'd like to say There's one throne and I'm not on it A solid rock and I stand upon it And Jesus is the truth the life the way
The way this guy speaks, the focus on using large words to create weird points, and the constant movement of his hands scream narcissist… I really wish the conservative Christian would have been more emphatic and assertive with his statements.
Colby is a good honest Man with understanding of God’s love for all mankind God does not withhold his salvation from Men he created to love each other. Owen only believes in his own wrong interpretation so sad ! 🌈✝️🌈
actually mr the "Do not kill" is not a command in the bible. Only "do not murder". Killing does not equal Murder. Murder is killing with ill intent. Killing itself is not an evil action but doing it with evil intent is. This is why the israelites where allowed to kill people in war but not murder them. God justifies wars not out of ill intent but of requirment. He wouldn't use war metaphors if he had a command such as "Do not kill". Killing for self defense is valid in Christianity to since it's not of ill intent.
I think when he uses the fruit of the spirit to be his compass... I would ask him "where did you find that compass?" It's in scripture, which he doesn't seem to think we can trust the interpretation from man over time. So, how can he be sure that that is a good compass if it is from scripture? Because, my interpretation (I believe correctly based on the context of that passage) is that when the fruit of self-control is named that includes, among other things, sexual self-control. Not acting on unrighteous sexual desires, one of which being homosexual action. He can't say in one part that we can't trust scripture because of man's interpretation over time and then the next part use scripture itself to justify his compass of morality.....
It’s interesting to hear the progressive Christian name some of the fruits of the Bible (the one he likes, for example he said gentleness, kindness) but not all of them, especially since righteousness will go against what ‘feels right for him’ and ‘his truth’ He sounds lost, so I hope that he discovers the truth through the Bible
You know, I’m not trying to put myself up high but these uncertainty of how people interpret the Bible in their own way is the reason why I chose to stay catholic
My response to the Nazi Germany example would be that ultimately it lost out. Germany was defeated, because several other countries saw it was wrong. How did they know it was wrong? Because torturing and killing millions of people is about as contrary to the maximization of human flourishing as you can get. So ultimately, as a species, we advanced one step closer to good societal morals.
OH, MY. 10 commandments or the summary of them in form of love God and others. No law, no sin. This is the problem of all modern Christians they misunderstand "Colossians 2:14 He wiped out what the law said that we owed. The law stood against us. It judged us. But he has taken it away and nailed it to the cross." NIV. NO LAW, NO SIN, NO NEED FOR JESUS. "If you love me keep my commandments".
This is a random question but are you Canadian or American? I just noticed some different pronunciations and am curious. (I am neither and just like learning different accents :) )
I'm sorry but what???? The guy in the black shirt just sounds like someone who has never opened his Bible....how is he a pastor???? So he has no relationship with God????
The name Christian means following Christ, if he cant be certain about that he cant be a very good Christian, not that any of us are but he shouldnt be calling himself that if he dosnt beleive it
Isick you are prejudice against the idea that we are living in a new dispensation where God is revealing we are not living under the old dispensation. We no longer stone women to death for Adultery. Get your head in the proper understanding of the times we are living in today ✝️✝️✝️
This dude doesn't believe what the Bible says. This guy in the black is leading people to hell. The Bible is divinely inspired. It has what God wants it to have in it.
Dear Lord, help us to see beyond foolish dichotomies--progressive vs conservative. Are we yet Jews? "The scribe of the New Covenant is like a man bringing forth from his storeroom things both old and new."
A great example would be Matthew 5:29. if your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
"We can't be sure about anything."
Are you sure about that?
Gottem!
*airhorns*
Well played 👏🏻👏🏻
My favorite line from Apologia 💪🏼
Amen. I love exposing self-refuting claims 😂
If homosexuality were okay, Sodom and Gomorrah deserve an apology. And if they deserve an apology from God, then God made a mistake. And if God made a mistake, he’s not perfect. And if God is not perfect, then there is no standard for morality and we all deserve to be in heaven because God is just like us and we don’t need Jesus🤦🤦🤦
Solid doctrinal theology.
More people need to hear this
Wow thanks! I never thought about sodom as an example for that. You've helped me build a healthy argument for this
Preach!!!!👏🏾👏🏾😩😩
God also wouldn’t be God if He made a mistake, because God by definition is the greatest possible being; and the greatest possible being can’t make mistakes, that would make Him less than. Therefore the God that can make mistakes, the God that progressive Christians believe in: is not God. He’s a figment of their imagination, ultimately an idol.
Honestly, any Christian who doesn’t acknowledge the Bible as an authoritative source... is not going to be speaking from a point of truth, but a point of feeling and worldly logic. (Which is not true wisdom).
Are you really even a Christian if you don't believe in the bible?
I believe you can come to faith without acknowledging a physical copy of scripture as being The Word Of God. Think back to medieval times. You had all that ornate stained glass of Bible stories and paintings of Biblical events. Most of people back then couldn't even read. People could become Christians through other means than coming to know the "Bible", but the faith should still line up with what the Bible states.
(not arguing, just stating my opinion) I believe the Bible IS the Word Of God, but I think you can get the gospel without being in the Bible, even if being in the Bible / scriptures is exceedingly helpful.
@@XSquibX Absolutely sister. Once we start to cherry pick one rule, there is no reason whatsoever, that we should follow any of them. I always like to ask someone who is making a moral claim that is either not Biblical, or they themselves are not Christian: "What authority are you appealing to when you make that claim". If they say "me" or "society", then that may as well mean nothing. If they say "God" or "the Bible", then that can be tested.
@@marissajones1840 I guess not believing in the Bible is like being married, but not believing in the marriage vows. Dangerous. Also, I would agree that they are not Christian if they reject the Bible. Jesus certainly didn't reject scripture. He fulfilled it. If someone rejects the Bible, they reject the One who inspired it. They may think that they are following Jesus, but they have crafted for themselves a false Christ. In Greek, we call that an "anti Christos" - a "false Christ".
@@ThePhotoshopExpert-JM yeah my point is we always want to call these people christians simply because they say they are because how can you say you believe in God if you don't even know who He is?
When people don’t have the Holy Spirit they talk what their itching ears want to hear, the Holy Spirit will teach us what’s right in sexuality especially when there’s conviction
Well said
People who have the Holy Spirit can commit all kinds of assumptions that they rationalize as "The Spirit" giving them "a word". Or verse. But, I've been around the block for a while with the more conservative and liberal of Christians and we ALL commit this error. Salvation is lifelong and we must look in the mirror for our hypocrisies, be open to being wrong, welcome correction. Sometimes the very person you are criticizing ( the Progressive here ) might very well be on to something of the Spirit. Any Conservative that doesn't leave their ears open might quench the Spirit's instruction.
Yeah praise odin
Amen to that, 100%
That man needs prayer and intercession, imagine if God saved him, what a testimony!
Amen
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When I first found your Tik Tok and checked out your RUclips, I heard you were Canadian and I got concerned that you might be more lukewarm because Canada is usually worse with that than the USA. I was happily and welcomingly wrong. I’m so glad that you hold the same view that I do. The ones that the Lord laid out for us.
Same. I vote NDP
I hope this means you'll no longer assume someone's level of faith based on their nationality, cause that's wrong on a lot of levels
@@hazel6323 I wasn't definitively assumming anything... Statistically speaking, it is more likely that a canadian person has more views that are concidered "left-leaning" than an American. I was just pointing out that I'm glad that he seems like a stand up guy which is more than I can say for most of America...
@@hazel6323 assuming is a bit different than judging, even if similar.
while i was listening to the progressive christian talk, i just kept thinking about the times Jesus called the pharisees hypocrites
Huh! I agree, and I watched a video today by Mike Winger called “how progressive Christian’s are like Sadducees.” It blew my mind!
“I’m certain that we can’t be certain about anything, because being certain is arrogant.” That’s the definition of a hypocritical statement, and intellectual dishonesty. He’s claiming that knowing is arrogant, yet he claims to know that we cannot know. Doing exactly what he criticized others for, which is what Jesus was referring to when He said “do not judge or you will be judged by the same standard.” “Take out the log from your own eye before you take out the plank in your brother’s eye.”
Last Thursdayism, and Sophism aren't even respected as real positions. This guy is lost.
I remember watching the full videos and hearing Colby speak, I couldn't help thinking multiple times "this isn't a conservative v progressive conversation this is a conservative v atheist conversation." It was hard to listen to but Owen did a wonderful job engaging with Colby. I have this mental picture of Owen walking on a firm, solid foundation and Colby struggling to walk on what he deconstructed which is just piles of brokenness. He's been hurt and didn't have a strong understanding of who God is so it's not shocking to see the struggle he's going through.
same
Mr I-S-A-A-C . How are you doing my brother from another mother but the same Heavenly Father.😎😎
Omg lol that made me laugh for a minute!!
😂😂😂 that pun is good
This is so cute 🤣
Great video. It’s dangerous waters when we don’t take the bible as authoritative. I see the trend lately of “well that’s your interpretation”. Sure maybe but when the writers were speaking they meant exactly what they were saying. So either we are right on what they said or we are wrong
Exactly
Sure, i do also take the bible as authoritative, but it doesn't mean that i don't pay attention to the different ways of reading text, especially when dealing anient texts like the Bible.
The words might suggest one thing to us in the 21st century but have meant something very different to the people who wrote them a long ago.
To say what a biblical text teaches us today, you first have to understand the text in its original situation and then apply the meaning to the present situation.
To be very clear with you, everything that is written in the bible has validity, I am aware that the Word of God is perfect and that nobody denies it.
The literal reading claims to take the text simply for what it says. This is the approach of Biblical Fundamentalism. It claims not to be interpreting the text but merely to be reading as it stands.
Clearly, however, even fundamentalistm follows a rule of interpretation, a simple and easy rule. The rule is that a text means whatever it means to somebody reading it today.
Now, compare the other approach, the historical-critical thinking.
Now the approach here is called "historical" because it requires you to place the text in its original historical and cultural context before deciding what it means.
This approach is called "critical" because it requires careful reflection and detailed analysis of the Bible.
The word critical is NOT used here in the more familiar sense "trying to find fault with something" but in the sense of the current phrase, critical thinking.
An example, one day you are in a course with a teacher and he teaches you a class on such a topic, and later, you go to the library to find out more about the subject. You go to the library NOT because you are questioning the teacher, but rather because you want to enrich yourself with more information or get out of your comfort zone.
Why do you think that the bible was used to justify slavery, inquisition, subyugation of women, flat-earth arguments?
I hope my argument did help you!
@@dostoyevski9423 well that’s definitely why context exists. My study Bible helps with that. Also why I like the Bible is that it’s not a utopian fiction. Non believers hate it because it’s not a utopian fiction and is probably the most offensive text in the history of mankind even simply because of what Jesus says about being the “Truth”. People take good and twist it for evil. Also back then slavery was used by everyone, as my East African ancestors were also enslaved by the Arabs which had the biggest slave trade in history. Contrary to popular belief that only white people “committed atrocities”. Some people in history were called “slaves” and were paid = employees today basically. People took something nutral and forgot about historical context and the complexities of life to justify their harmful and stupid actions just like when I was a lukewarm I avoided Bible passages and knowledge about why lust is bad to get away with my P0rN addiction. Other then that non believers demonize Christians today and call us oppressors just because of someone’s twisted interpretation. It weird being black with close African decent and Christian 😂 because slavery is always used as an anti Christianity argument
It's dangerous when you *don't* blindly obey rules from an ancient book?
Yes through the power of the Holy Spirit even a child can comprehend the essence of the gospel, but let us never forget that what happened upon Calvary was the greatest display of gods love, power, and sovereignty. The gospel should not be something we learn in 10 minutes then go on to the next lesson, but something that we look at daily and learn from. No matter how long we will never fully comprehend the greatness of the gospel.
I always appreciate truly unaware statements. “Are you certain that there can’t be certainty?”
Isaac, I'm so delighted by your videos. You express God's heart in your words to us, and that gives me hope for the future. We have those that make God who they want Him to be, and that hurts, but it feels great to know there are those like you that preach truth and sanctity in the midst of a morally-suffering culture. Thank you for being an inspiration!
It seems like he’s tip toeing around make definitive statements about what he truly believes and he won’t come out and say it because it will invalidate his entire position. You can’t serve 2 masters. He’s been blinded by the enemy with the “attractive” and tolerant way of thinking because it allows people to have a subjective sense of truth which is really being delusional. We all have that to a certain degree because of pride but may the Lord continue to reveal the truth to us.
Just started the video and I already know this is gonna be a good one
Fellow Believers are at different stages of their Faith, that is why we should be praying for God to show them mercy and guide them towards truth. Lets be less condemning and more praying for the lost. I wouldnt be here today, if my family and friends didnt pray for me while i was lost. The most terrifying and rejoicing thing is that God disciplines those who he loves. Thank you God for your faithfulness and never giving up on us.
I thought it as so ironic that he says that we cannot be certain of anything, and then basically says that the fruit of the spirit that comes to us from the Holy Spirit is the best we got. He was so close but yet so far!!
Also, claiming that we can’t be certain of anything and that there is no absolute truth is a paradox. If we can’t be certain of anything, then how can you be certain that we can’t? If there is no absolute truth, why should we believe you when you say there is no absolute truth?
The guy in the black was no where near. What the bible says.
How do humans know the objective right and wrong?
Literally the name of the tree Adam and Eve ate from was the knowledge of good and evil.
We dont, all right and wrong come from God. If we take God out of right and wrong. Then it is whatever we say is right. And we have all of history to show what happens when we set the morals.
Oh humans know what is right and wrong alright. What changes is the desire to do right and wrong. That urging to do good in us comes from God. When we set God to the side and ignore that voice, we do what we want to do instead and it leads us down the path of wrong.
We do it enough times and come up with enough excuses and it starts to become natural and seem good, because we can no longer hear that voice telling us to stop. We've drowned it out for so long and become desensitized to it.
Only religion could turn the idea of being knowledgeable evil.
@@ayybeealternative1999 How so that’s not true at all God knew Evil before the tree of good and evil but what was evil was not knowledge of good and evil(God is not evil)but rather disobeying God
@@etiennequintanilla4629 Adam and Eve lacked knowledge of Good and Evil so they didn't understand what they were doing was wrong.
Psalm 119:151 says “Yet you are near, Lord, and all your commands are true.”
Never clicked so fast before, this gonna be good:DD
Always enjoy these react videos
First video I’m seeing of you and I very much enjoyed it! Thank you for your honest but respectful opinion ❤️
So encouraging to hear the Christian with a historical view of Christianity speak with such clarity on the truth.
I enjoy the topics you bring to life. It would be awesome if you may add a few scripture quotes to affirm your point of views.
Just started watching your videos Isaac and I've enjoyed them a lot. What a wonderful ministry to help true Christians and unbelievers believe the right doctrine and have the right foundation😊
It delights my heart that you ended the video with the gospel, God's power unto salvation!
I read the Bible and use my connection with the holy Spirit. We can know truth through the holy Spirit. That is what Jesus sent us that when he was not with us anymore.
I know I don't explain this well.
this is very true. However if you feel you're being guiding in a way that is counter to scripture that is a massive indication that it is not the Holy Spirit that is guiding you.
Jesus is King
Great message, thank you for sharing!!
God Bless you indeed
This is a great Biblical site...so glad my grandson put me on to this!!!
It’s very bold to start a complete movement based on a fear of getting it or being wrong…..
14:44 amen brother. See to many prideful people who would rather hold up high what they think, then to trust what God has told us.
I don't understand why some people would call themselves Christian if they don't believe that the bible is true and God's word..
He's basically making the case that because we ate from the tree of knowledge that we don't need God to tell us what's up. Essentially missing the point of the story. He's the center of his universe.
Appealing to cultural morality will leave you in a muddy mess because it will always change! It’s not like we have become more good over the years as a human race 🌝
You have never heard a Christian argue like this because he is not a Christian. He is a false teacher.
I know that there is no way of knowing what is right and wrong, except this statement I'm making, that one is right...
"Trying to know exactly what is right and what is wrong, I know that we don't have any way to have certainly on that."
- Colby Martin, Progressive Christian Pastor
He knows that we can't know. There is no way to know absolute truth. My question, are you absolutely sure?
We must reject this false doctrine. Literally, the first sin of mankind stemmed from this question, "Did God really say...?"
God loves you all that he died for our sins because NOBODY is perfect, repent to be saved, repent to stay saved, God Bless!
No one is good enough to be saved, therefore no one is good enough to stay saved. Repentance is a change that takes place with what you believe. The thief on the cross is a great example. We are fallen, deserving punishment, but Christ is good and holy. However, even though Christ was innocent, He received the wrath we all deserve. If we believe He took our place in punishment, we shall be saved. This belief changes how we think and what we do. There is nothing we can do to be saved, and there is nothing we can do to stay saved. Therefore there is nothing to be proud about or boast because salvation is a gift, not an earning. Salvation is fully on the work that was done through Jesus as the Passover lamb. On judgement day, God no longer sees our iniquity, but sees the righteousness of Christ if His blood has cleansed us, causing God’s wrath to Passover us. If someone believes the good they do grants themselves forgiveness, they don’t believe what Jesus did is enough for their salvation. If righteousness came by the law, then Jesus died in vain.
This is pride, which is opposed by God. That is why Jesus is our only hope, cause there is no good thing in us, that is, in our sinful flesh. We deserve to die, but God has offered us life through the blood of the messiah.
Why has God offered us life? Because He loves us and doesn’t want us to die. Ye are saved by grace through faith, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God: not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Thank God Salvation is not done through works, we’d all go to hell.
Yoh this was so biblical!!🌝🌝👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I love your channel, I just recently found it and you are doing good work. You encourage me in my walk daily, and when I have that empty feeling after a long week your videos always help redirect my thoughts towards what really matters.
Thank you for being Christ focused!
Interesting how the one guy is certain that we can't be certain about anything, then immediately talks about discerning between good and bad fruit. If we can't really know what's right and wrong, how exactly are we supposed to know the difference between good and bad fruit? He doesn't even realize how he just keeps defeating his own argument.
What really happened to him that he had turned away from the word of God ? He can't be Christian. You have faith in God and trust His word or you don't. You can't have it both ways. Holy Spirit! That is how! Truth stands firm!
Sooo really just a pagan vs a christian.....
I can be 100% certain that I know we have no certainty!
Edit: sorry I typed that right before you said it.
Can I ask you a question? Why must we make the false dichotomy that one guy is totally right, and the other is totally wrong? Couldn't they both be a little bit right and a little bit wrong? We are imperfect human beings which is why we need grace. I don't think that any one human has a 100% perfect understanding of the nature of God. Claiming perfect understanding of anything...especially God...is what is arrogant. So in that sense, the progressive guy is right and is actually being humble about that. If we are really honest with ourselves, *no one* knows with complete certainty what God is, and what God wants for us. That is what FAITH is for. We can use the Bible as a tool for understanding truth, but we also have to use the faculty of reason that God has given us humans. But we can't make the Bible an idol. What the progressive guy is saying is that there IS a standard for morality, and that standard is Jesus' life and teachings. I think the conservative guy is right that we do need a standard for morality, and that the standard comes from God. But I disagree that the standard is the Bible. I see so many Christians idolizing the Bible in that way and just completely throw out all rationality in doing so. My friend, JESUS is the standard, not the Bible. We can understand Jesus through the Bible, but not all of Jesus' moral standards are held up through the entirety of the Bible. The Bible is full of all sorts of sin being idealized: slavery, greed, lust, murder, incest, rape, war, etc, etc. Those things do not align with the standard of the life and teachings of Jesus. The Bible was written by all sorts of flawed humans, and it shows. What the progressive guy is talking about with the fruits of the spirit is what JESUS said...and Jesus is the standard. I agree that we can know if something is moral and from God by whether it bears the fruits of the spirit, and can be confirmed through our conscience via the holy spirit. Jesus himself told us this, and Jesus is the standard.
Dear progressive Christian, we know what is wrong and what is right because of Adam and Eve. The Bible specifies that.
How do we know that the bible is right though?
@@flexame if you ask that you clearly don't have faith. The ignorance is the most problematic thing
You can't say "we've made it this far" and include polytheistic and pantheistic religions in that "we." It was Christianity specifically that gave rise to the modern sciences and Judaism that first acknowledged objective moral law and the source of said moral law. Other religions have rituals and stories about the gods. Christianity has reason and standards from God. When you build lives, communities, and nations on that foundation, we've seen how that turns out after a few hundred years. When you deviate or build on a different foundation, we've also seen how that plays out over time.
Follow Jesus Christ he loves us all repent of your sins amen 🙏🏾
Love from Germany. Great Content. God Bless.
Non- believer," you can't be certain of anything!"
Believer, " you can't be certain of anything?"
Non- believer, " yes!"
Believer, " are you certain of that?"
Non- believer, "......."
Dude, made a definitive truth claim about not being able to have a definitive truth clam. It's scary to see so called pastors out there that teach people this. Brothers and sisters in Christ hold fast to God's Word and the truth it revels. Pray for both these men, one to keep standing firm in his faith and to fight the good fight, and the other to repent and turn from his undifinitive clam to truth and back to the unshakable standard of God's truth. Love you bro, love this channel, keep preaching the true Gospel 👍!
The bible is the authority of God. It cannot change to suit man. Man changes to suit God.
So why are christians joining the military?….. thou shalt not kill
@@jmdsservantofgod8405 murder is defined as the killing of the innocent. Obviously this world is flawed and as a Christian myself I would not join the military because it's so corrupted. All that being said, if the military were used to defend God's commandments and protect his people, the killings would be biblically justified. I see your point of view given what militaries across the world are doing and their atrocious acts
the principle of the Bible is that it interprets itself by comparing verse to verse. the Word of God is one great whole, and for every difficult passage there are other passages through which it can be more easily understood. thank you for your great videos! God bless you brother.
Posting for the algorithm. Keep it up.
How is the guy in black a dead ringer for both Rhett and Link? I saw him and no joke thought that Link grew out his beard.
Hey Isaac, have you watched either of Colby's conversations with Sean McDowell? Sean definitely drives him into more depth about the nuts and bolts of how his beliefs and practices work.
2nd Opinions
Well church gather around cuz we got us a problem
There's a lot of inspiration floatin' around these days
Words that paint a pretty picture
But you won't find them in the scripture
That's because there all from the book of second opinions
Well they'll say follow your heart where ere it leads you
Just let that little voice inside you show the way
I guess the million-dollar question.
Is that your heart or indigestion?
Cuz the hearts been known to lead a fool astray
It ain't hard to get hooked on the book of second opinions
We'd rather live our own truth
Don't tell us what to do, just what we want to hear
But it's high time we turned our interest
To God's word instead of Pinterest
And finally close the book of second opinions
We'll say everything happens for a reason
Just to give our foolish ways a clever spin
And I've heard it said the Lord won't give you anything you can't handle
But the truth is we can't handle anything without Him
You say I don't have to change
Cuz it's just the way I am
I got all the proof I need right here in my Enneagram
I can tell myself it's always been about me
So give me love and positivity
But all the good vibes in the world
Will never make a dead heart beat
Well the world might tell you all roads lead to heaven
Well to that there's just one thing l'd like to say
There's one throne and I'm not on it
A solid rock and I stand upon it
And Jesus is the truth the life the way
Wow!
The certainty about being uncertain opened my eyes, I didn't realize it was pride and so contradictory lmao
We can be certain!
I am absolutely certain that you can’t be certain about certainty!
10:30
Exactlyy!! This is on point
Really great job!
The way this guy speaks, the focus on using large words to create weird points, and the constant movement of his hands scream narcissist…
I really wish the conservative Christian would have been more emphatic and assertive with his statements.
Colby is a good honest Man with understanding of God’s love for all mankind God does not withhold his salvation from Men he created to love each other. Owen only believes in his own wrong interpretation so sad ! 🌈✝️🌈
actually mr the "Do not kill" is not a command in the bible. Only "do not murder". Killing does not equal Murder. Murder is killing with ill intent. Killing itself is not an evil action but doing it with evil intent is. This is why the israelites where allowed to kill people in war but not murder them. God justifies wars not out of ill intent but of requirment. He wouldn't use war metaphors if he had a command such as "Do not kill". Killing for self defense is valid in Christianity to since it's not of ill intent.
I think when he uses the fruit of the spirit to be his compass... I would ask him "where did you find that compass?" It's in scripture, which he doesn't seem to think we can trust the interpretation from man over time. So, how can he be sure that that is a good compass if it is from scripture? Because, my interpretation (I believe correctly based on the context of that passage) is that when the fruit of self-control is named that includes, among other things, sexual self-control. Not acting on unrighteous sexual desires, one of which being homosexual action. He can't say in one part that we can't trust scripture because of man's interpretation over time and then the next part use scripture itself to justify his compass of morality.....
Why'd they call this atheist a Christian? I'm not trying to throw shade, the guy literally says he doesn't accept the concept of God
Progressive Christianity makes no sense
We can be certain that we can't be certain.
Well done brotha.
Just realized that the guy in blue is Owen Strachan, a bible teacher and scholar😳🙌🙌
Christian vs Postmodernist should be the title of the original video.
It’s interesting to hear the progressive Christian name some of the fruits of the Bible (the one he likes, for example he said gentleness, kindness) but not all of them, especially since righteousness will go against what ‘feels right for him’ and ‘his truth’ He sounds lost, so I hope that he discovers the truth through the Bible
You know, I’m not trying to put myself up high but these uncertainty of how people interpret the Bible in their own way is the reason why I chose to stay catholic
That guy is in it for the chicks
My response to the Nazi Germany example would be that ultimately it lost out. Germany was defeated, because several other countries saw it was wrong. How did they know it was wrong? Because torturing and killing millions of people is about as contrary to the maximization of human flourishing as you can get. So ultimately, as a species, we advanced one step closer to good societal morals.
OH, MY. 10 commandments or the summary of them in form of love God and others. No law, no sin. This is the problem of all modern Christians they misunderstand "Colossians 2:14
He wiped out what the law said that we owed. The law stood against us. It judged us. But he has taken it away and nailed it to the cross." NIV. NO LAW, NO SIN, NO NEED FOR JESUS. "If you love me keep my commandments".
Subscribed. Good stuff brother.
Wants babies to live > Doesn't want babies to live
Easy enough lol
9:23 Moralistic Therapeutic Deism
This is a random question but are you Canadian or American? I just noticed some different pronunciations and am curious. (I am neither and just like learning different accents :) )
Canadian! In Canada we have different accents depending on where you live though. Probably the most unique that I know of is east coast accents :)
I would love to hear your thoughts about the Living Waters RUclips channel
I couldn't believe that guy in the black is a Christian
Why take the title of Christianity?
I know we can't be certain... But I'm certain these fruits are good and those are bad.
Uuuummm, my guy...
I love Owen Strachan
It was a good discussion between the two guys, until this conservative Christian here had to reinterpret the complete discussion.
Hey! It’s Owen Strachan!
I'm certain that we can't be certain about anything 😅
Im certain that you are wrong
Even that statement is a walking contradiction.
I'm certain that Jesus is lord. I'm certain that he died on the cross for us for our sins. Im certain that Jesus loves you:)
But how can you know that god is truth?
The guy in the black wants all of the benefit of God without the conviction of God.
Yep!
The 'God' that the guy in black believes in isn't God at all
I'm sorry but what???? The guy in the black shirt just sounds like someone who has never opened his Bible....how is he a pastor???? So he has no relationship with God????
The name Christian means following Christ, if he cant be certain about that he cant be a very good Christian, not that any of us are but he shouldnt be calling himself that if he dosnt beleive it
He looks like a youth pastor
probably is
Isick you are prejudice against the idea that we are living in a new dispensation where God is revealing we are not living under the old dispensation. We no longer stone women to death for Adultery. Get your head in the proper understanding of the times we are living in today ✝️✝️✝️
This dude doesn't believe what the Bible says. This guy in the black is leading people to hell. The Bible is divinely inspired. It has what God wants it to have in it.
Dear Lord, help us to see beyond foolish dichotomies--progressive vs conservative. Are we yet Jews?
"The scribe of the New Covenant is like a man bringing forth from his storeroom things both old and new."
A great example would be Matthew 5:29. if your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Why aren't any Christians ever removing their eyes?