The First Sliver vs Thassa, Deep-Dwelling vs Niv-Mizzet, Parun vs Muldrotha EDH / CMDR game play
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*As with many videos, I made a mistake in my narration. I mistakenly said Matty drew cards from Thassa's Oracle. This was not the case, he instead picked one and put it on top. I reviewed the raw footage and he played it correctly. My bad!*
Great work as always bro
Best EDH video ever, well worth the effort!
would you ever post deck lists for these decks? I am teaching the game to my students and one is interested in making a niv mizzet deck and is curious what Kyle put in his
@@alexplambeck8791 Kyle's list is floating around in the comments. The others I am still tracking down.
Got it !
This was a great episode. Sorry it was so rough to edit but it was great entertainment
Quick note on 30:12 : Vandalblast shouldn't been able to target Kyle's Sol Ring, since he is the controller of the Vandalblast and it says "Target artifact you don't control"
Yea, I mention that in my summary. I wasn’t at the game so I couldn’t comment as it was happening.
@@MTGMuddstah Oh, really? I didn't noticed that you said it, my bad!
Matty went full "that annoying blue player" lol. Solid deck.
Its pretty hard to make a mono blue deck that isnt solid
This is one of the best games I have ever seen on your channel. I love longer edh games with lots of interaction and different strategies. Particularly liked watching the Muldrotha and Niv decks. The Masterpiece Noxious Gearhulk is such a nice piece of bling too!
Me too thanks (long games not the commanders) the locust god and jori en are my style of izzet and I haven't played sultai in a long time do to certain cards making sultai no longer a weird pile of cards that no one knows what they are doing
This is my favorite game, felt like anyone could've won it at any turn.
Right?! That is exactly what commander should be. There were lots of triggers and interaction and it's awesome no mistakes were make.
This game probably last over two hours... that’s to much for me personally. But was enjoyable to watch for a fraction of that.
I have definitely been a participant in games that last 3-4 hours and it becomes quite a slog. Not my favorite, either, but sometimes the level of interaction just keeps things going!
I do like it when games are the same power level. Especially when it's mid-low power decks that win via skill and not one powerful card
@@alexstoltz1520 Longest I've seen a paper game last (I didn't play) was 4 hours 50 longest online edh game I played myself was 6 hours 30 3 chaos decks (one mono white) and an Eldrazi deck. My favorite games end up being 12+ turns and 2+ hours
No Ancestral Vision in The First Sliver is criminal! You can cascade from a one drop Sliver into guaranteed draw 3 cards if it is your only 0 cmc spell. Love the gameplay as always!
Or living end, a 0 cmc rock, etc...
@@kingfuzzy2 Kinda new to this, how exactly does cascade work? From what I have read I understood it as; As long as you cascade to a sliver you can continue to cascade (with The First Sliver already in play). What stopped him from cascading after drawing the first Striking Sliver?
@@jmcwherterx he had no costs underneath it like 0 cmc spells
The Twitter warning still didn’t prepare me for the 32 minute video
This the most intense one I've seen from your channel. That ending was not how expecting this game to end but glad it was there to pack after the length of this game.
Kyle was chill for most of the game while everyone else bashed each others heads in. As a niv player myself, I prefer a more aggressive stance on account of board hate usually coming this way.
I am Kyle, I usually am more aggressive as well, but there wasn't a ton of board hate coming at me, so I just held onto the evacuation until I there was lethal being swung at me, but because of the speed the first sliver can have, I needed to hold it up and not jam out Niv. I believe I ending drawing a bunch of lands that game as well, so I always lacking on interaction in my hand until the end of the game, but I could be wrong there, the game was over a year ago.
@@archon458 Yeah I can see that now that I pay closer attention, that play where you bounced niv with the wipe was that because you were desperate for some answers or were you trying to be more efficient with the card draw?
@@CMAzeriah It was over a year ago, so I'm super sure what my reasoning was. I think I played niv for the card draw but had him bounced with it, because if he was on an empty board against the Muldrotha, Sam would just recast a creature from his graveyard and kill Niv while I lacked any way to protect him. That's at least why I think I did it that way
@@archon458 plague crafter. Gotta love be it.
@@CMAzeriah That's what I think I thought would happen. I know when I play the deck (which isn't due to rona) Protect the Niv is the main gameplan
That poor Scuttlemutt. He just wants to join the party, but he kept getting bounced then finally countered
Ain't no party like a scuttle party
Was it so dangerous?
apparently a must needed to be answered threat
Always good to see similar power level decks duke it out especially if they are mid -low power ty goblin lord ( :
Great job! Misusing that Insidious Will at the end there...I’ve seen that happen soooo many times, including by me. A player gets in the lead and is super close to a win. He’s got an embarrassment of riches and several answers (often counterspells). So he just starts getting lazy and countering everything, not realizing or remembering that his opponents (this late in the game) can win out of nowhere. Gotta save your answers for the only the most important spells, because when you’re in the lead and/or close to a win, you are playing Archenemy, basically (you’re playing against 3 hands).
This same thing happened in one of our games the other day. The only blue deck at the table (Elsha the Infinite) was super close to a win. All he had to do was get Elish Norn off the field so he could play his Etherium Scultpor and draw his whole deck with Sensei’s Divining Top. The Elsha player had a ton of good stuff in play...Jeskai Ascendancy, Top, Aetherflux Reservoir, and more. He used his last 3 mana during one turn cycle to Disallow a Disenchant that was targeting his Aetherflux (the Aetherflux was not critical. He had other wincons, plus Academy Ruins in play to get it back, and he was around 45 life). Now, that was on the Elish Norn player’s turn, and it was my turn next (it would be Elsha’s turn after mine, but now he’s tapped out) and I’m playing Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord “fling huge creatures at the table.” And I had a ton of mana and basically hadn’t done anything the whole game, and just had a lonely 0/1 Beast Whisperer and a ton of lands in play. With the window finally open (ie, the blue player tapped out), I simply cast my commander, then bestowed a Nighthowler onto Beast Whisperer and sacced it to Jarad. 35 points of damage to each opponent.
Control rule #2 counter only what can kill you. Control rule #1 patience is the wincon.
When resolving the Villainous Wealth and casting Aetherflux Reservoir, etc., Sam should not have gained any life from it. With Villainous Wealth you put all the spells on the stack before any of them resolves, meaning the Reservoir would not yet be out when he cast the other spells and thus not get any cast triggers.
@Varler Yeah, that's it. You can choose the order in which you cast them and thus that they resolve but you cast them all at the same time.
That's how a game of Commander should play out. Crazy game. Thanks Andrew for sharing it with us.
Maybe it took so long because all of them were playing BLUE
Ah, as it should be.
🎶🎵🎶I'm blue
Da ba dee, da ba die x7🎶
I'm blue
Da ba dee, da ba die x7 🎶🎵🎶
That’s exactly why
Its one of the best casual games i have ever seen! Great game and respect for all comment.
6:52 newbie mistake. He could've cast Time Stop in response to the first sliver (if Trevor had chosen to play it). That would counter both the First Sliver AND the cascade ability.
I love longer games as long as there's interaction that makes it go longer. This was a good game
Me too thanks and you also get to learn more about the other players perspectives in situations you've seen yourself in before
Probably the best game I can remember from your channel. Great decks and great plays. GJ all around
Glad you enjoy it!
I like the Vilis and arcanis the omnipotent wins more but this is quite deece ( :
Seeing a First sliver deck stop cascading at a 1 mana sliver because they don't have ancestral visions or lotus bloom breaks my heart.
Or living end, another o cmc rock etc...
@@kingfuzzy2 living end sucks, since if you are cascading all the way down to 0 you already have the first sliver out and generally you don't want to sac your commander.
@@pixelbomb97 just was mentioning it as an example there are other 0 cmc suspend cards that I agree are better. I play reanamator a ton so wouldn't mind personally saccing him.
so nice to see a fellow sliver deck^^
Wow, this is an intense game. Everyone is hanging in there, duking it out against everyone else. Great game.
I see why Niv's cmc is so crazy. I have a deck with him and with cards like hullbreacher/wheels, jace, and all his machine gunning.....he's pretty crazy.
CMC is being renamed to "mana value", by the way. :)
@@DarkEinherjar omfg no
@@DarkEinherjar I'll never stop saying cmc
What a crazy game lol. Would love to see all of the lists, but primarily the Slivers and Thassa. That is one of the craziest Thassa games I've seen in a long time lol.
The surge does so much work in my Arixmethes deck.
This was such a great game. That Thassa deck was mean, and the Sliver deck was a Lotta fun to watch
My arixmethes deck is weenies so surge wouldn't do much unfortunately
I love how each deck performed great, it must have been crazy being in that game. How long did it last?
2 hours and 52 minutes, it was very a long game
2hrs52mins
@@archon458 that seems low to what playgroups I'm in consider a long game ( ;
@@kingfuzzy2 same. We average 12.5 turns in my playgroup. Which can be as short as 1 hour and some change to being over 3. Depends on how late we stay up and how many beers were are drinking.
right on ( : longest game ive had is 6 hours 30 and deffo one of the funnest if not the funnest gasme ive ever had shortest 20 mins (no one drew interaction)
Damn, im getting my innerpeace with this. TY
At 7:12 Sam couldn't play tribe elder from Graveyard, becouse muldrotha allows only 1 type of permanent each turn. He already played Plaguecrafter that turn
They catch that soon after
For people who want to play the first sliver, I highly recommend playing a couple of suspend cards ranging from ancestral visions to the suspend cards from modern horizons sets. They tend to be quite strong and will be an auto hit off of 1 drop slivers
Great game. Worth the effort you put into it.
Wow, this is such a Game!
A lot of interaction and comebacks. My favorite game of the year.
This is the best game on this channel. Awesome.
This is what happens when you bring four blue decks to the table, battlecruiser magic
I'm here for the early train!!
Was sad to go back to school today but this cheered me up:)
How could you be sad to go back to school? I would love that
This was super fun, great video!
Best EDH game I’ve seen on your channel!
This cant be 2019 if thassa, deep dwelling wasnt released until january 2020 in theros...
Hey there, what an amazing episode! I don't usually comment, but now I reeeeally wanna try out a control deck that plays similarly to the thassa deck. So could you please get a deck list of it? Thank you for your great work!
If you are playing first sliver you should be playing the "0" mana spells like ancestral recall etc. They are a free roll
Would love to see some lists soon if possible! :)
Long videos are a blast!!!
There was a play mistake. Insidious Will changed the target of vandalblast to an illegal target. You cannot make it target the caster's own stuff as the card reads "Destroy target artifact you don't control." To redirect a target, it has to be a valid legal target
You are correct. If they had caught that, Matty would have probably just countered it instead.
Great game Muddstah! This is the content I subbed for :)
Bravo Muddstah, best game in a while.
ITs worth it, this is such a good game to watch. KEep up the good work
i love the edits, definitely earned a subscribe!!
I thought I knew where the background music was from, I’m playing it in orchestra right now!
Dang. I wasn't sure who to root against.
I’m a simple man, I see Niv Mizzet and I click
kind of the same for me. I don't see same old Tymna or Thrasios and I click
I feel for that player though. Dude didn't do shit all game it felt like.
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I am the player. The main thing that happened was I could be killed on almost any turn, but I had the evacuation, so I had to keep it up the whole time, meaning I couldn't develop with niv until much later on. Its definitely not how I want the game to go
@@archon458 ahh that's what's up. I was wondering what you were doing. I thought you just had terrible luck on your draws.
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I don't recall having the best luck during the game. So I was really just trying to buy time for myself. Ended up working in the end, but that was also just do to everyone being too tired and getting sloppy. I know I had one or two counter spells in hand at the end their, but Matty throwing the Will at vandal blast definitely gave me the que to go for it.
It wasn't a great game for how the deck wants to play, as typically it rushes out Niv tries to control the board, but I never had the option play Niv safely until later on
Lists please!😊
Tight battle of wits and tactics that include one or the other player becoming the archenemy.
Deck List Niv-Mizzet ?
So many responses it was great!!
I watched every minute of this game! Thanks
Nice, would love to see the d3cklist for the thassa deck. I have built and rebuilt mine and I am never satisfied. This one looked sweet
Ye more recursion than you have spells of that type is pretty sick also a ton of card selection instead of draw is even better
Oh boy, what a game!!! Loved it!
love the big cards in the Thassa's deck
This table looks so good to play at, paying rhystic study triggers. Wish my play group would.
9:01 "who take the hit"
damn I should say takes
"who takes the hit"
Nailed it. -> *doesn't fix it in editing*
=/
Great vid keep it up
That’s what happens when you listen to the same thing over and over again. You miss stuff. Sorry!
@@MTGMuddstah don't apologize, it adds flavor to the video. You said this one was a long one so tiny errors are expected and do not detract from the game
no decklists ? :( i would love to see that thassa list go get some ideas for mine :D
The Thassa deck and Niv-Mizzet deck were fun to watch
Hey andrew could you pick one pretty please???
Zur the enchanter persistent petitioners
Or
Chulain, teller of tales persistent petitioners
I've built both but cannot decide which one to buy!
Edit: Holy crap 32 minutes! BRB gotta go get coffee!
Bruvac the grandiloquent persistent petitioners
I know that was the like the first thing people thought of but I have yet to see it :(
Can someone explain how Niv won that game? I play Niv Mizzet Parun and I'm not familiar with that combo.
So with the splintertwin enchanting his Pestermite he can tap the pestermite to make a copy of pestermite. When it etbs he can use it's etb ability to untap the original pestermite. He does this until he has a billion Pestermites with haste as splintertwin gives them haste. So swings for the kill. I have a Niv deck that is so much fun to pilot and i might put this combo in the deck.
12:33 Villanous Wealth puts all spells on the stack before any of them resolve (it would say "you may cast them till end of turn" otherwise). This means he would not have gained any life from any of these, as they had all been 'cast' before Aetherflux resolved.
Small note: The Vandalblast was not able to be redirected to the Sol Ring, as it is target restricted to opponents only. It honestly didn't matter though.
Did the lists ever turn up? :D would love to see them!
Did Matty use Thasa,s oracle wrong every time, or did you explain what he was doing wrong? If he drew every time that's SO much extra value.
That was me reading the card wrong. Sorry.
Great episode! Looked like a slugfest but a fun one to watch!
This video made me want to play Commander! What a game!
nice game, i liked it. guys, remember that ciclonyc rift with overload said "each" and the slivers had pro blue. they cant be target from blue 20:45 sorry to my bad english, I hope you undertand to me. Bye. I enjoy see you
Each and Target are not the same, so his Slivers still got bounced.
One of the best games on the channel!
That misplay on the villainous wealth, all the spells are cast before any of them resolve, so He would not get any health from the other casts until the aetherflux is on field. (Still counts number cast that turn though)
how long was this one? I personally recently had a 3 hour cockatrice game with that many people, which is odd given two of the decks were trying to be proactive with traxos and rakdos. then again I was mana screwed at the start and traxos got shut down before it won the game from a combination of removal with Nicky B, rakdos charm, and duplicant. and then my explosion got curtailed and things happened. fun game though and the small hits from thrumming bird mattered since I died for exact lethal.
It was 2 hours and 52 minutes long
Trevor forgot to cascade, after synapse sliver.
and after bonescythe
@@damonmcginniss1258 The First Sliver was not on the field for Bonescythe Sliver to cascade, since it happens on cast and not when it ETB's
@@socalacura1338 true my bad
@@damonmcginniss1258 It's all good. Magic is complicated :P
Thassa's Oracle doesn't let you put a card to hand, it only lets you put a single card from the top X on top of your library
Correct. I made a pinned post to this video explaining that I narrated it incorrectly.
A great game, but how did Kyle's commander ping slivers since the slivers had protection from blue? Or am I missing something? Love your videos, the commentary is priceless.
Everyone: Reeeeeee mono blue players are evil!
Me: Sliver players deserve mono blue players.
Maybe it's some ruling I'm not aware of, but why doesn't Trevor cascade off of the sliver he gets from the cascade on first sliver? Cascade says "cast" and he technically "casted" a sliver from the first slivers cascade meaning he should get one, no?
The First Sliver gives cards Cascade only once it's on the field. Because it has Cascade as well, he's able to get one Cascade which was a Sliver, but that subsequent Sliver does not have Cascade.
Shouldnt muldrotha not be able to bring back sakura tribe elder and plaguecrafter in the same turn sibce theyre both creatures?
Nvm they picked up on it
Hello, Muldrota player here. 7:35 SAM plays 2nd creature from grave in ene turn. Seems like error to me.
It gets caught within 30 seconds of the video
Great game and editing!
Around 10:40, Trevor hit a crystalline silver, which gave his slivers shroud(?), But after Matty repeatedly targeted his slivers, first with a counter then a cyc rift. Am I missing something or was it just an oopsie
Matty countered the crystalline sliver. Crystalline has to resolve for the shroud effect to activate
@@blackrican924 aah I did miss that. Thanks!
Filmed in 2019, featuring cards and even a commander released in 2020. Insane
Very special
On 11:46 is this not an ilegal move cus the slivers have shroud?
I don't think Sam should've been gaining life from the stolen Aetherflux Reservoir, because Villainous Wealth casts the stolen spells all at once, and the reservoir wouldn't have been on the battlefield to see them all be cast.
You actually cast them one at a time per the Gatherer ruling.
@@MTGMuddstah Technically correct, but per Gatherer " You cast the cards one at a time as Villainous Wealth is resolving, choosing modes, targets, and so on. The last card you cast will be the first one to resolve. Ignore timing restrictions based on the cards’ types. Other timing restrictions, such as “Cast [this card] only during combat,” must be followed." love the videos by the way. We actually had this exact same situation come up in a game recently. Gotta love complicated board states.
@@MTGMuddstah but even if you order them so that Aetherflux resolves first, it still doesn't see them being cast, so the Reservoir doesn't see any of them being "cast"
@@gdiridium5525 Well poopy! We interpreted it as the way we played it out. I’ll have to let Sam know.
I am inclined to think you're right here.
While reservoir counts spells on the resolution of its trigger for the purposes of lifegain, I believe that Villainous Wealth requires all the found spells to be cast (in the order of your choice) and put on the stack. So even if you resolve the Reservoir first, then it's not on the field to see the other spells be cast by the effect of Wealth.
I didnt expect to see that much counter spells in a Comander game.
Insidious Will couldn't have changed Vandalblast's target to the Sol Ring as it says "destroy target artifact YOU DON'T CONTROL"
It wouldn't have changed the outcome, just remember to read the cards.
Correct! I mention that in my summary.
I love those games
More than once it sounded like Matty was putting the Thassa's Oracle card in his hand. Why?
Can you give me some time stamps? It may have been poor narration on my part. It was bounced by a Rift and by his own spell at one point.
@@MTGMuddstah 23:02, 23:12 good sir
@@Rad343 the 23:12 was Thassa’s effect blinking or flickering a creature at end of turn.
@@MTGMuddstah Understood about Thassa. That said, those were both instances where it sounded like Matty was putting the card into his hand instead of on top of his library. I could be mistaken about what actually happened during the game.
@@MTGMuddstah Thoracle puts the card on top of library, not to the hand is what they mean. It's likely just a narration mistake.
Can Vandalblast target your own suff after becoming target of Insidious Will?
No, sadly. It was a mistake that probably would have resulted with Matty just countering the spell rather than redirecting.
I don't see any mention of this in the top comments, but shouldn't Sam have died at 13:40? He shouldn't have gained any life off the Aetherflux Reservoir, since all the Villainous Wealth cards are cast simultaneously, so Aetherflux Reservoir shouldn't have been on the field to see them being cast.
This was addressed in another comment. You are correct, we sadly misinterpreted how the spell worked.
I love the narration but I unfortunately have trouble discerning the speech while simultaneously listening to the music hahaha the egmont overture is one of my favorite pieces by beethoven
My brother Trevor likes slivers and I (Kyle) have a locust god draw so I thought this game was pretty cool.
I love the locust god. And slivers are the third strongest tribe with support #1 is hellions #2 is fairies so I can see why
So many rewinds in a game lol
Sorry it was rough to edit but Wow that was such a good game
The Insidious Will cannot change the target of Kyle's Vandalblast to Kyle's Sol Ring...
Sam forgot to sacrifice a creature to Plaguecrafter. Thankfully, it didn't matter because of Blasphemous Act.
Ma’ boy Mr. Parun !