*As with many videos, I made a mistake in my narration. I mistakenly said Matty drew cards from Thassa's Oracle. This was not the case, he instead picked one and put it on top. I reviewed the raw footage and he played it correctly. My bad!*
would you ever post deck lists for these decks? I am teaching the game to my students and one is interested in making a niv mizzet deck and is curious what Kyle put in his
Quick note on 30:12 : Vandalblast shouldn't been able to target Kyle's Sol Ring, since he is the controller of the Vandalblast and it says "Target artifact you don't control"
This is one of the best games I have ever seen on your channel. I love longer edh games with lots of interaction and different strategies. Particularly liked watching the Muldrotha and Niv decks. The Masterpiece Noxious Gearhulk is such a nice piece of bling too!
Me too thanks (long games not the commanders) the locust god and jori en are my style of izzet and I haven't played sultai in a long time do to certain cards making sultai no longer a weird pile of cards that no one knows what they are doing
No Ancestral Vision in The First Sliver is criminal! You can cascade from a one drop Sliver into guaranteed draw 3 cards if it is your only 0 cmc spell. Love the gameplay as always!
@@kingfuzzy2 Kinda new to this, how exactly does cascade work? From what I have read I understood it as; As long as you cascade to a sliver you can continue to cascade (with The First Sliver already in play). What stopped him from cascading after drawing the first Striking Sliver?
I have definitely been a participant in games that last 3-4 hours and it becomes quite a slog. Not my favorite, either, but sometimes the level of interaction just keeps things going!
@@alexstoltz1520 Longest I've seen a paper game last (I didn't play) was 4 hours 50 longest online edh game I played myself was 6 hours 30 3 chaos decks (one mono white) and an Eldrazi deck. My favorite games end up being 12+ turns and 2+ hours
Kyle was chill for most of the game while everyone else bashed each others heads in. As a niv player myself, I prefer a more aggressive stance on account of board hate usually coming this way.
I am Kyle, I usually am more aggressive as well, but there wasn't a ton of board hate coming at me, so I just held onto the evacuation until I there was lethal being swung at me, but because of the speed the first sliver can have, I needed to hold it up and not jam out Niv. I believe I ending drawing a bunch of lands that game as well, so I always lacking on interaction in my hand until the end of the game, but I could be wrong there, the game was over a year ago.
@@archon458 Yeah I can see that now that I pay closer attention, that play where you bounced niv with the wipe was that because you were desperate for some answers or were you trying to be more efficient with the card draw?
@@CMAzeriah It was over a year ago, so I'm super sure what my reasoning was. I think I played niv for the card draw but had him bounced with it, because if he was on an empty board against the Muldrotha, Sam would just recast a creature from his graveyard and kill Niv while I lacked any way to protect him. That's at least why I think I did it that way
This the most intense one I've seen from your channel. That ending was not how expecting this game to end but glad it was there to pack after the length of this game.
Great job! Misusing that Insidious Will at the end there...I’ve seen that happen soooo many times, including by me. A player gets in the lead and is super close to a win. He’s got an embarrassment of riches and several answers (often counterspells). So he just starts getting lazy and countering everything, not realizing or remembering that his opponents (this late in the game) can win out of nowhere. Gotta save your answers for the only the most important spells, because when you’re in the lead and/or close to a win, you are playing Archenemy, basically (you’re playing against 3 hands). This same thing happened in one of our games the other day. The only blue deck at the table (Elsha the Infinite) was super close to a win. All he had to do was get Elish Norn off the field so he could play his Etherium Scultpor and draw his whole deck with Sensei’s Divining Top. The Elsha player had a ton of good stuff in play...Jeskai Ascendancy, Top, Aetherflux Reservoir, and more. He used his last 3 mana during one turn cycle to Disallow a Disenchant that was targeting his Aetherflux (the Aetherflux was not critical. He had other wincons, plus Academy Ruins in play to get it back, and he was around 45 life). Now, that was on the Elish Norn player’s turn, and it was my turn next (it would be Elsha’s turn after mine, but now he’s tapped out) and I’m playing Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord “fling huge creatures at the table.” And I had a ton of mana and basically hadn’t done anything the whole game, and just had a lonely 0/1 Beast Whisperer and a ton of lands in play. With the window finally open (ie, the blue player tapped out), I simply cast my commander, then bestowed a Nighthowler onto Beast Whisperer and sacced it to Jarad. 35 points of damage to each opponent.
When resolving the Villainous Wealth and casting Aetherflux Reservoir, etc., Sam should not have gained any life from it. With Villainous Wealth you put all the spells on the stack before any of them resolves, meaning the Reservoir would not yet be out when he cast the other spells and thus not get any cast triggers.
6:52 newbie mistake. He could've cast Time Stop in response to the first sliver (if Trevor had chosen to play it). That would counter both the First Sliver AND the cascade ability.
What a crazy game lol. Would love to see all of the lists, but primarily the Slivers and Thassa. That is one of the craziest Thassa games I've seen in a long time lol.
At 7:12 Sam couldn't play tribe elder from Graveyard, becouse muldrotha allows only 1 type of permanent each turn. He already played Plaguecrafter that turn
I see why Niv's cmc is so crazy. I have a deck with him and with cards like hullbreacher/wheels, jace, and all his machine gunning.....he's pretty crazy.
@@kingfuzzy2 living end sucks, since if you are cascading all the way down to 0 you already have the first sliver out and generally you don't want to sac your commander.
@@pixelbomb97 just was mentioning it as an example there are other 0 cmc suspend cards that I agree are better. I play reanamator a ton so wouldn't mind personally saccing him.
@@MTGMuddstah don't apologize, it adds flavor to the video. You said this one was a long one so tiny errors are expected and do not detract from the game
For people who want to play the first sliver, I highly recommend playing a couple of suspend cards ranging from ancestral visions to the suspend cards from modern horizons sets. They tend to be quite strong and will be an auto hit off of 1 drop slivers
@@kingfuzzy2 same. We average 12.5 turns in my playgroup. Which can be as short as 1 hour and some change to being over 3. Depends on how late we stay up and how many beers were are drinking.
right on ( : longest game ive had is 6 hours 30 and deffo one of the funnest if not the funnest gasme ive ever had shortest 20 mins (no one drew interaction)
Around 10:40, Trevor hit a crystalline silver, which gave his slivers shroud(?), But after Matty repeatedly targeted his slivers, first with a counter then a cyc rift. Am I missing something or was it just an oopsie
12:33 Villanous Wealth puts all spells on the stack before any of them resolve (it would say "you may cast them till end of turn" otherwise). This means he would not have gained any life from any of these, as they had all been 'cast' before Aetherflux resolved.
Hey there, what an amazing episode! I don't usually comment, but now I reeeeally wanna try out a control deck that plays similarly to the thassa deck. So could you please get a deck list of it? Thank you for your great work!
Small note: The Vandalblast was not able to be redirected to the Sol Ring, as it is target restricted to opponents only. It honestly didn't matter though.
nice game, i liked it. guys, remember that ciclonyc rift with overload said "each" and the slivers had pro blue. they cant be target from blue 20:45 sorry to my bad english, I hope you undertand to me. Bye. I enjoy see you
I don't see any mention of this in the top comments, but shouldn't Sam have died at 13:40? He shouldn't have gained any life off the Aetherflux Reservoir, since all the Villainous Wealth cards are cast simultaneously, so Aetherflux Reservoir shouldn't have been on the field to see them being cast.
Maybe it's some ruling I'm not aware of, but why doesn't Trevor cascade off of the sliver he gets from the cascade on first sliver? Cascade says "cast" and he technically "casted" a sliver from the first slivers cascade meaning he should get one, no?
The First Sliver gives cards Cascade only once it's on the field. Because it has Cascade as well, he's able to get one Cascade which was a Sliver, but that subsequent Sliver does not have Cascade.
Shouldnt muldrotha not be able to bring back sakura tribe elder and plaguecrafter in the same turn sibce theyre both creatures? Nvm they picked up on it
There was a play mistake. Insidious Will changed the target of vandalblast to an illegal target. You cannot make it target the caster's own stuff as the card reads "Destroy target artifact you don't control." To redirect a target, it has to be a valid legal target
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I am the player. The main thing that happened was I could be killed on almost any turn, but I had the evacuation, so I had to keep it up the whole time, meaning I couldn't develop with niv until much later on. Its definitely not how I want the game to go
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I don't recall having the best luck during the game. So I was really just trying to buy time for myself. Ended up working in the end, but that was also just do to everyone being too tired and getting sloppy. I know I had one or two counter spells in hand at the end their, but Matty throwing the Will at vandal blast definitely gave me the que to go for it. It wasn't a great game for how the deck wants to play, as typically it rushes out Niv tries to control the board, but I never had the option play Niv safely until later on
That misplay on the villainous wealth, all the spells are cast before any of them resolve, so He would not get any health from the other casts until the aetherflux is on field. (Still counts number cast that turn though)
@@MTGMuddstah Understood about Thassa. That said, those were both instances where it sounded like Matty was putting the card into his hand instead of on top of his library. I could be mistaken about what actually happened during the game.
I'm a little confused about villaneous wealth. I thought all spells you want to cast go in the stack together just like cascade so sam would not have gotten the life from aetherflux reservoir.
So with the splintertwin enchanting his Pestermite he can tap the pestermite to make a copy of pestermite. When it etbs he can use it's etb ability to untap the original pestermite. He does this until he has a billion Pestermites with haste as splintertwin gives them haste. So swings for the kill. I have a Niv deck that is so much fun to pilot and i might put this combo in the deck.
how long was this one? I personally recently had a 3 hour cockatrice game with that many people, which is odd given two of the decks were trying to be proactive with traxos and rakdos. then again I was mana screwed at the start and traxos got shut down before it won the game from a combination of removal with Nicky B, rakdos charm, and duplicant. and then my explosion got curtailed and things happened. fun game though and the small hits from thrumming bird mattered since I died for exact lethal.
May I ask why did Trevor not cascade his talon sliver, and aswell as hes bonescythe sliver when he cast it? Thanks im trying to learn more into sliver decks appreciate it.
Can you timestamp when that happened? If he cascades while the First Sliver was on the stack, it's because the Slivers he cascades into don't have cascade until First Sliver resolves at the end.
@@MTGMuddstah Hey, thanks for replying I appreciate! Ok yes I just noticed that's what happend, the first sliver was cast on that turn. Sorry Im kind of new to magic and still learning a lot. Love your content nice job!
Couldn’t gitrog and the litch go deep into his deck? Draw 3 put a land or two in the grave, make gitrog happy and keep replacing draws until the perfect hand?
I am the Niv player. Pestermite can untap a permanent when it enters the battlefield. Twin allows the enchanted creature to tap itself to make a token copy of it. So with twin (or kiki-jiki), the new token copy enters, untaps the enchanted pestermite, which then gets to activate again, making a new token, then repeat . Each time you make a token, you can untap the enchanted pestermite. So you get infinite tokens with haste for the turn.
Once Splinter Twin is on Pestermite: -Tap Pestermite, making a copy of it with haste. -Copy ETBs. Its ability allows you to untap target permanent. -Untap the original Pestermite. -You now have the exact same board state as you just did, with an extra 2/1 flier with haste -Repeat until you have enough attackers to one shot all opponents.
It can tap or UNTAP, which is the key part. He uses the untap ability to untap Twin, then taps it again making a token that untaps the Twin, etc, etc. Each token has haste as well, so they can swing for lethal.
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*As with many videos, I made a mistake in my narration. I mistakenly said Matty drew cards from Thassa's Oracle. This was not the case, he instead picked one and put it on top. I reviewed the raw footage and he played it correctly. My bad!*
Great work as always bro
Best EDH video ever, well worth the effort!
would you ever post deck lists for these decks? I am teaching the game to my students and one is interested in making a niv mizzet deck and is curious what Kyle put in his
@@alexplambeck8791 Kyle's list is floating around in the comments. The others I am still tracking down.
Got it !
This was a great episode. Sorry it was so rough to edit but it was great entertainment
Quick note on 30:12 : Vandalblast shouldn't been able to target Kyle's Sol Ring, since he is the controller of the Vandalblast and it says "Target artifact you don't control"
Yea, I mention that in my summary. I wasn’t at the game so I couldn’t comment as it was happening.
@@MTGMuddstah Oh, really? I didn't noticed that you said it, my bad!
Matty went full "that annoying blue player" lol. Solid deck.
Its pretty hard to make a mono blue deck that isnt solid
This is one of the best games I have ever seen on your channel. I love longer edh games with lots of interaction and different strategies. Particularly liked watching the Muldrotha and Niv decks. The Masterpiece Noxious Gearhulk is such a nice piece of bling too!
Me too thanks (long games not the commanders) the locust god and jori en are my style of izzet and I haven't played sultai in a long time do to certain cards making sultai no longer a weird pile of cards that no one knows what they are doing
No Ancestral Vision in The First Sliver is criminal! You can cascade from a one drop Sliver into guaranteed draw 3 cards if it is your only 0 cmc spell. Love the gameplay as always!
Or living end, a 0 cmc rock, etc...
@@kingfuzzy2 Kinda new to this, how exactly does cascade work? From what I have read I understood it as; As long as you cascade to a sliver you can continue to cascade (with The First Sliver already in play). What stopped him from cascading after drawing the first Striking Sliver?
@@jmcwherterx he had no costs underneath it like 0 cmc spells
This is my favorite game, felt like anyone could've won it at any turn.
Right?! That is exactly what commander should be. There were lots of triggers and interaction and it's awesome no mistakes were make.
This game probably last over two hours... that’s to much for me personally. But was enjoyable to watch for a fraction of that.
I have definitely been a participant in games that last 3-4 hours and it becomes quite a slog. Not my favorite, either, but sometimes the level of interaction just keeps things going!
I do like it when games are the same power level. Especially when it's mid-low power decks that win via skill and not one powerful card
@@alexstoltz1520 Longest I've seen a paper game last (I didn't play) was 4 hours 50 longest online edh game I played myself was 6 hours 30 3 chaos decks (one mono white) and an Eldrazi deck. My favorite games end up being 12+ turns and 2+ hours
Kyle was chill for most of the game while everyone else bashed each others heads in. As a niv player myself, I prefer a more aggressive stance on account of board hate usually coming this way.
I am Kyle, I usually am more aggressive as well, but there wasn't a ton of board hate coming at me, so I just held onto the evacuation until I there was lethal being swung at me, but because of the speed the first sliver can have, I needed to hold it up and not jam out Niv. I believe I ending drawing a bunch of lands that game as well, so I always lacking on interaction in my hand until the end of the game, but I could be wrong there, the game was over a year ago.
@@archon458 Yeah I can see that now that I pay closer attention, that play where you bounced niv with the wipe was that because you were desperate for some answers or were you trying to be more efficient with the card draw?
@@CMAzeriah It was over a year ago, so I'm super sure what my reasoning was. I think I played niv for the card draw but had him bounced with it, because if he was on an empty board against the Muldrotha, Sam would just recast a creature from his graveyard and kill Niv while I lacked any way to protect him. That's at least why I think I did it that way
@@archon458 plague crafter. Gotta love be it.
@@CMAzeriah That's what I think I thought would happen. I know when I play the deck (which isn't due to rona) Protect the Niv is the main gameplan
This the most intense one I've seen from your channel. That ending was not how expecting this game to end but glad it was there to pack after the length of this game.
Great job! Misusing that Insidious Will at the end there...I’ve seen that happen soooo many times, including by me. A player gets in the lead and is super close to a win. He’s got an embarrassment of riches and several answers (often counterspells). So he just starts getting lazy and countering everything, not realizing or remembering that his opponents (this late in the game) can win out of nowhere. Gotta save your answers for the only the most important spells, because when you’re in the lead and/or close to a win, you are playing Archenemy, basically (you’re playing against 3 hands).
This same thing happened in one of our games the other day. The only blue deck at the table (Elsha the Infinite) was super close to a win. All he had to do was get Elish Norn off the field so he could play his Etherium Scultpor and draw his whole deck with Sensei’s Divining Top. The Elsha player had a ton of good stuff in play...Jeskai Ascendancy, Top, Aetherflux Reservoir, and more. He used his last 3 mana during one turn cycle to Disallow a Disenchant that was targeting his Aetherflux (the Aetherflux was not critical. He had other wincons, plus Academy Ruins in play to get it back, and he was around 45 life). Now, that was on the Elish Norn player’s turn, and it was my turn next (it would be Elsha’s turn after mine, but now he’s tapped out) and I’m playing Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord “fling huge creatures at the table.” And I had a ton of mana and basically hadn’t done anything the whole game, and just had a lonely 0/1 Beast Whisperer and a ton of lands in play. With the window finally open (ie, the blue player tapped out), I simply cast my commander, then bestowed a Nighthowler onto Beast Whisperer and sacced it to Jarad. 35 points of damage to each opponent.
Control rule #2 counter only what can kill you. Control rule #1 patience is the wincon.
The Twitter warning still didn’t prepare me for the 32 minute video
Always good to see similar power level decks duke it out especially if they are mid -low power ty goblin lord ( :
When resolving the Villainous Wealth and casting Aetherflux Reservoir, etc., Sam should not have gained any life from it. With Villainous Wealth you put all the spells on the stack before any of them resolves, meaning the Reservoir would not yet be out when he cast the other spells and thus not get any cast triggers.
@Varler Yeah, that's it. You can choose the order in which you cast them and thus that they resolve but you cast them all at the same time.
Probably the best game I can remember from your channel. Great decks and great plays. GJ all around
Glad you enjoy it!
I like the Vilis and arcanis the omnipotent wins more but this is quite deece ( :
That's how a game of Commander should play out. Crazy game. Thanks Andrew for sharing it with us.
Its one of the best casual games i have ever seen! Great game and respect for all comment.
6:52 newbie mistake. He could've cast Time Stop in response to the first sliver (if Trevor had chosen to play it). That would counter both the First Sliver AND the cascade ability.
That poor Scuttlemutt. He just wants to join the party, but he kept getting bounced then finally countered
Ain't no party like a scuttle party
Was it so dangerous?
apparently a must needed to be answered threat
Damn, im getting my innerpeace with this. TY
so nice to see a fellow sliver deck^^
What a crazy game lol. Would love to see all of the lists, but primarily the Slivers and Thassa. That is one of the craziest Thassa games I've seen in a long time lol.
I love longer games as long as there's interaction that makes it go longer. This was a good game
Me too thanks and you also get to learn more about the other players perspectives in situations you've seen yourself in before
Maybe it took so long because all of them were playing BLUE
Ah, as it should be.
🎶🎵🎶I'm blue
Da ba dee, da ba die x7🎶
I'm blue
Da ba dee, da ba die x7 🎶🎵🎶
That’s exactly why
Wow, this is an intense game. Everyone is hanging in there, duking it out against everyone else. Great game.
The surge does so much work in my Arixmethes deck.
This was such a great game. That Thassa deck was mean, and the Sliver deck was a Lotta fun to watch
My arixmethes deck is weenies so surge wouldn't do much unfortunately
At 7:12 Sam couldn't play tribe elder from Graveyard, becouse muldrotha allows only 1 type of permanent each turn. He already played Plaguecrafter that turn
They catch that soon after
Great game. Worth the effort you put into it.
I see why Niv's cmc is so crazy. I have a deck with him and with cards like hullbreacher/wheels, jace, and all his machine gunning.....he's pretty crazy.
CMC is being renamed to "mana value", by the way. :)
@@DarkEinherjar omfg no
@@DarkEinherjar I'll never stop saying cmc
Seeing a First sliver deck stop cascading at a 1 mana sliver because they don't have ancestral visions or lotus bloom breaks my heart.
Or living end, another o cmc rock etc...
@@kingfuzzy2 living end sucks, since if you are cascading all the way down to 0 you already have the first sliver out and generally you don't want to sac your commander.
@@pixelbomb97 just was mentioning it as an example there are other 0 cmc suspend cards that I agree are better. I play reanamator a ton so wouldn't mind personally saccing him.
Best EDH game I’ve seen on your channel!
Great game Muddstah! This is the content I subbed for :)
i love the edits, definitely earned a subscribe!!
This was super fun, great video!
This is the best game on this channel. Awesome.
9:01 "who take the hit"
damn I should say takes
"who takes the hit"
Nailed it. -> *doesn't fix it in editing*
=/
Great vid keep it up
That’s what happens when you listen to the same thing over and over again. You miss stuff. Sorry!
@@MTGMuddstah don't apologize, it adds flavor to the video. You said this one was a long one so tiny errors are expected and do not detract from the game
Wow, this is such a Game!
A lot of interaction and comebacks. My favorite game of the year.
For people who want to play the first sliver, I highly recommend playing a couple of suspend cards ranging from ancestral visions to the suspend cards from modern horizons sets. They tend to be quite strong and will be an auto hit off of 1 drop slivers
I'm here for the early train!!
Was sad to go back to school today but this cheered me up:)
How could you be sad to go back to school? I would love that
Bravo Muddstah, best game in a while.
Would love to see some lists soon if possible! :)
I love how each deck performed great, it must have been crazy being in that game. How long did it last?
2 hours and 52 minutes, it was very a long game
2hrs52mins
@@archon458 that seems low to what playgroups I'm in consider a long game ( ;
@@kingfuzzy2 same. We average 12.5 turns in my playgroup. Which can be as short as 1 hour and some change to being over 3. Depends on how late we stay up and how many beers were are drinking.
right on ( : longest game ive had is 6 hours 30 and deffo one of the funnest if not the funnest gasme ive ever had shortest 20 mins (no one drew interaction)
Around 10:40, Trevor hit a crystalline silver, which gave his slivers shroud(?), But after Matty repeatedly targeted his slivers, first with a counter then a cyc rift. Am I missing something or was it just an oopsie
Matty countered the crystalline sliver. Crystalline has to resolve for the shroud effect to activate
@@blackrican924 aah I did miss that. Thanks!
12:33 Villanous Wealth puts all spells on the stack before any of them resolve (it would say "you may cast them till end of turn" otherwise). This means he would not have gained any life from any of these, as they had all been 'cast' before Aetherflux resolved.
I watched every minute of this game! Thanks
Long videos are a blast!!!
Hey there, what an amazing episode! I don't usually comment, but now I reeeeally wanna try out a control deck that plays similarly to the thassa deck. So could you please get a deck list of it? Thank you for your great work!
This cant be 2019 if thassa, deep dwelling wasnt released until january 2020 in theros...
I thought I knew where the background music was from, I’m playing it in orchestra right now!
If you are playing first sliver you should be playing the "0" mana spells like ancestral recall etc. They are a free roll
On 11:46 is this not an ilegal move cus the slivers have shroud?
Small note: The Vandalblast was not able to be redirected to the Sol Ring, as it is target restricted to opponents only. It honestly didn't matter though.
nice game, i liked it. guys, remember that ciclonyc rift with overload said "each" and the slivers had pro blue. they cant be target from blue 20:45 sorry to my bad english, I hope you undertand to me. Bye. I enjoy see you
Each and Target are not the same, so his Slivers still got bounced.
This is what happens when you bring four blue decks to the table, battlecruiser magic
Tight battle of wits and tactics that include one or the other player becoming the archenemy.
I don't see any mention of this in the top comments, but shouldn't Sam have died at 13:40? He shouldn't have gained any life off the Aetherflux Reservoir, since all the Villainous Wealth cards are cast simultaneously, so Aetherflux Reservoir shouldn't have been on the field to see them being cast.
This was addressed in another comment. You are correct, we sadly misinterpreted how the spell worked.
Hello, Muldrota player here. 7:35 SAM plays 2nd creature from grave in ene turn. Seems like error to me.
It gets caught within 30 seconds of the video
Nice, would love to see the d3cklist for the thassa deck. I have built and rebuilt mine and I am never satisfied. This one looked sweet
Ye more recursion than you have spells of that type is pretty sick also a ton of card selection instead of draw is even better
So many responses it was great!!
Maybe it's some ruling I'm not aware of, but why doesn't Trevor cascade off of the sliver he gets from the cascade on first sliver? Cascade says "cast" and he technically "casted" a sliver from the first slivers cascade meaning he should get one, no?
The First Sliver gives cards Cascade only once it's on the field. Because it has Cascade as well, he's able to get one Cascade which was a Sliver, but that subsequent Sliver does not have Cascade.
love the big cards in the Thassa's deck
Great episode! Looked like a slugfest but a fun one to watch!
Shouldnt muldrotha not be able to bring back sakura tribe elder and plaguecrafter in the same turn sibce theyre both creatures?
Nvm they picked up on it
Great game and editing!
There was a play mistake. Insidious Will changed the target of vandalblast to an illegal target. You cannot make it target the caster's own stuff as the card reads "Destroy target artifact you don't control." To redirect a target, it has to be a valid legal target
You are correct. If they had caught that, Matty would have probably just countered it instead.
I’m a simple man, I see Niv Mizzet and I click
kind of the same for me. I don't see same old Tymna or Thrasios and I click
I feel for that player though. Dude didn't do shit all game it felt like.
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I am the player. The main thing that happened was I could be killed on almost any turn, but I had the evacuation, so I had to keep it up the whole time, meaning I couldn't develop with niv until much later on. Its definitely not how I want the game to go
@@archon458 ahh that's what's up. I was wondering what you were doing. I thought you just had terrible luck on your draws.
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I don't recall having the best luck during the game. So I was really just trying to buy time for myself. Ended up working in the end, but that was also just do to everyone being too tired and getting sloppy. I know I had one or two counter spells in hand at the end their, but Matty throwing the Will at vandal blast definitely gave me the que to go for it.
It wasn't a great game for how the deck wants to play, as typically it rushes out Niv tries to control the board, but I never had the option play Niv safely until later on
That misplay on the villainous wealth, all the spells are cast before any of them resolve, so He would not get any health from the other casts until the aetherflux is on field. (Still counts number cast that turn though)
The Thassa deck and Niv-Mizzet deck were fun to watch
One of the best games on the channel!
Oh boy, what a game!!! Loved it!
Lists please!😊
Dang. I wasn't sure who to root against.
This table looks so good to play at, paying rhystic study triggers. Wish my play group would.
Did the lists ever turn up? :D would love to see them!
no decklists ? :( i would love to see that thassa list go get some ideas for mine :D
More than once it sounded like Matty was putting the Thassa's Oracle card in his hand. Why?
Can you give me some time stamps? It may have been poor narration on my part. It was bounced by a Rift and by his own spell at one point.
@@MTGMuddstah 23:02, 23:12 good sir
@@Rad343 the 23:12 was Thassa’s effect blinking or flickering a creature at end of turn.
@@MTGMuddstah Understood about Thassa. That said, those were both instances where it sounded like Matty was putting the card into his hand instead of on top of his library. I could be mistaken about what actually happened during the game.
@@MTGMuddstah Thoracle puts the card on top of library, not to the hand is what they mean. It's likely just a narration mistake.
Did Matty use Thasa,s oracle wrong every time, or did you explain what he was doing wrong? If he drew every time that's SO much extra value.
That was me reading the card wrong. Sorry.
I'm a little confused about villaneous wealth. I thought all spells you want to cast go in the stack together just like cascade so sam would not have gotten the life from aetherflux reservoir.
Can someone explain how Niv won that game? I play Niv Mizzet Parun and I'm not familiar with that combo.
So with the splintertwin enchanting his Pestermite he can tap the pestermite to make a copy of pestermite. When it etbs he can use it's etb ability to untap the original pestermite. He does this until he has a billion Pestermites with haste as splintertwin gives them haste. So swings for the kill. I have a Niv deck that is so much fun to pilot and i might put this combo in the deck.
This video made me want to play Commander! What a game!
Someone has probably already answered this but, didn’t the slivers have protection from blue when the cyc rift went off? Was there something I missed?
Protection mostly stops targeting, destroy, and damage.
Cyc Rift doesn't target when it's overloaded.
I didnt expect to see that much counter spells in a Comander game.
Not a lot of single target removal. I had to disassemble my Muldrotha deck as everyone fired off their removal at it as soon as it hit the table.
how long was this one? I personally recently had a 3 hour cockatrice game with that many people, which is odd given two of the decks were trying to be proactive with traxos and rakdos. then again I was mana screwed at the start and traxos got shut down before it won the game from a combination of removal with Nicky B, rakdos charm, and duplicant. and then my explosion got curtailed and things happened. fun game though and the small hits from thrumming bird mattered since I died for exact lethal.
It was 2 hours and 52 minutes long
May I ask why did Trevor not cascade his talon sliver, and aswell as hes bonescythe sliver when he cast it? Thanks im trying to learn more into sliver decks appreciate it.
Can you timestamp when that happened? If he cascades while the First Sliver was on the stack, it's because the Slivers he cascades into don't have cascade until First Sliver resolves at the end.
@@MTGMuddstah Hey, thanks for replying I appreciate! Ok yes I just noticed that's what happend, the first sliver was cast on that turn. Sorry Im kind of new to magic and still learning a lot. Love your content nice job!
@@jessyreptiles4547 No problem at all! I'm glad I was able to help clear it up.
Couldn’t gitrog and the litch go deep into his deck? Draw 3 put a land or two in the grave, make gitrog happy and keep replacing draws until the perfect hand?
still no news on the lists ? :( would really love to the that thassa, its so different
can someone explain to me why they concede? pestermite + spinter twin is a thing?
I am the Niv player. Pestermite can untap a permanent when it enters the battlefield. Twin allows the enchanted creature to tap itself to make a token copy of it. So with twin (or kiki-jiki), the new token copy enters, untaps the enchanted pestermite, which then gets to activate again, making a new token, then repeat . Each time you make a token, you can untap the enchanted pestermite. So you get infinite tokens with haste for the turn.
Once Splinter Twin is on Pestermite:
-Tap Pestermite, making a copy of it with haste.
-Copy ETBs. Its ability allows you to untap target permanent.
-Untap the original Pestermite.
-You now have the exact same board state as you just did, with an extra 2/1 flier with haste
-Repeat until you have enough attackers to one shot all opponents.
@@TheRealQwade okay i see that, thanks ♥
Thassa's Oracle doesn't let you put a card to hand, it only lets you put a single card from the top X on top of your library
Correct. I made a pinned post to this video explaining that I narrated it incorrectly.
Can Vandalblast target your own suff after becoming target of Insidious Will?
No, sadly. It was a mistake that probably would have resulted with Matty just countering the spell rather than redirecting.
Any chance we can see Decklists? I also run Thassa and would love to compare.
Holy that was a roller coaster.
How many times does bottom right recast that Goblin Electromancer, holy crap
I wonna build first sliver Atm would be nice to know what arena in the list from the one Player.
Dont forget 0 cost spells
Can somebody explain the win con with splinter win ? I was so lost.
Sorry if I am slow but can someone explain how he won at the end? I’m not seeing it. Splintertwin just makes a copy of the tapper
It can tap or UNTAP, which is the key part. He uses the untap ability to untap Twin, then taps it again making a token that untaps the Twin, etc, etc.
Each token has haste as well, so they can swing for lethal.
Making a Niv and definitely got to see a lot of good gameplay here for strategy : ) peace
Trevor forgot to cascade, after synapse sliver.
and after bonescythe
@@damonmcginniss1258 The First Sliver was not on the field for Bonescythe Sliver to cascade, since it happens on cast and not when it ETB's
@@socalacura1338 true my bad
@@damonmcginniss1258 It's all good. Magic is complicated :P
What is the purpose of the scuttlemutt in the sliver deck?
Hello, any notice for the decklists? Thanks