1Jn 2:19: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us."
That’s aligned with “My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand.” John 10:27-28 CSB
It's one thing to enter the kingdom through salvation but it's a whole different thing to inherit the kingdom. In the book of Galatians they were talking about the church. If you're living in sin and not repenting you are going to hell.
@@defendingthefaith.7889we as Christians fall to sin often, it’s part of being human, just like Jesus’ disciples. Repentance can happen multiple times, every time you sin you get back up, pick up your cross and keep going while realizing where you messed up so you can learn from it and not do it again. If repentance only happens once we would be perfect and just like Jesus after we repent
@defendingthefaith.7889 easily debunked as jesus wouldn't have told the church of Sardis to repent as they would have already repented. Revelation 3:3 KJV - Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.
@@travishowett7651 repentance is to come into the faith. When one hears the gospel. And believes. They have repented. Saved eternally. Nothing can snatch them from the Fathers hand.
We know that there are people in church that are not true followers of Christ. I believe scripture refers to them as tares among wheat. But apostasy refers to those who were a part of the church that leave it. That causes a conundrum in my mind. If that is referring to people that never put their faith in Christ, how can they be called a part of the body? Based on that plus all the warnings to believers to be alert and to remain in the faith it would seem that a believer can walk away from the faith. We are secure in our salvation in that no one can take it from us but we still have the freedom to walk away I'm praying for the prodigals that have left the Father to come home 🙏❤️
I agree. Also the Scripture 2 Peter 2:21....about 'it would be better they'd never known than to know and turn away'. There's also multiple Scripture about what sounds like Believers being cast into outer darkness. And the one in Corinthians about being spit out. We must consider that it is satan who has advanced a Gospel that says we get saved but don't change. Because that benefits satan's kingdom.
The apostasy has been running rampant. Especially more so since we are closer to the end of all things. Every denomination preaches false doctrine not to mention the other religions out there like Islam. Gods elect have been given ears to hear Gods truth. God will confirm his elect to the imagine(likeness) of Christ by putting us through fire to burn out self or what is called sin. He will cause his elect to be obedient to his word and to walk according to his law.
THIS 💯 💪 it's only Logical that anyone at anytime can walk away from the faith, but you have wannabe preachers "self proclaiming christians" on RUclips, I.E. Gregg Jackson ("self professing Christian" is the term he loves to project) who believes in non biblical pre-trib rapture, and also unbiblically believes that the key to salvation is just believing ONE time ever in your life that Jesus is Lord, and carry on living and doing whatever you want and your saved forever, just saying you "believe" one time at any point in your life, that's Gregg Jackson for you here on RUclips, as well as his tickled ears followers.
@@zechariah1398 It’s not just a believer and besides a true believer will be brought back from their sin after God puts them through the fire. If you’re elect then you’re elect and nothing can change that. The apostasy is the falling away from Gods truth which the majority of these churches have done. You can be a believer in truth and walk away from it however God will scourge you and make you repent to bring you back to the fold. This only applies to believers and not unbelievers or vessels of wrath.
I’m 50 yrs old and just now learning what a real relationship with Jesus looks like. I “prayed the prayer” in my 20’s and it was very profound but I absolutely didn’t know what to do after and I wish someone had seen how lost I was because I didn’t know that I had no idea what I was doing and I needed guidance. There was no internet back then so it’s nice to read my bible and watch you tube. I’ve tried to restart so many times and this time feels very different I’ve never been able to read and understand the Bible and I’m actually understanding everything I’m reading. I repent everyday and ask God for his forgiveness of my sins and I’m so grateful for Jesus Christ who died for me. I still have A LOT of questions but I ask God for discernment. It’s not going to happen over night and I know that but I’m so eager to learn and be able to quote scripture as I don’t know any by memory right now. I don’t even know how to pray but I do the best I can. I love Him so much and I know He sees my heart. I hope y’all have a blessed day ❤
It was the same for me after I accepted Christ when I was young. I started to rebel against my parents and God until I was in my early 40's. After going through a long depression, the only person that would talk to me is a pastor. After that day, I truly gave my life to Christ. I never knew that Jesus waited for me for all those years, even through my rebellion. The best thing you can do, is get planted in a really good bible teaching church. Take your bible and read along with the pastor out of your own bible. Pray for discernment before the sermon, and let the Holy Spirit take control. Oh, and to help with understanding the bible better, get a study bible. When I read one of the books, (ie - Matthew), I will read it first for the story, then I read it again for the lessons, then read it several times after for key things throughout the book. This will help you a lot. Stay strong and keep fighting the good fight. I will keep you in my prayer. God Bless
Hi Stacey, that is a remarkable change that has begun in your life, when you wrote of not having anyone to assist you at the start of your walk with Christ, is such a sad thing and grieves my heart so much, and the truth is that this has become so normal, yet its not the gospel Jesus taught, he said to make disciples, even RUclips cannot make disciples, this is the call of the church, and for this reason Paul spoke about the five fold ministry, the Apostles, Prophet's, Pastor's, Teacher's, and Evangelists, have been put in the church for the perfecting of the saints, many are accountable for what was not done with those God has brought into the church. I can relate with your words, as from the time of being born again, God has since then done a work in my life in such a way, that now I have the honour and privilege to disciple others, and the result has been so rewarding.... And it seems that by what you have said, that God has sovereignly moved on your life, which is so amazing!!
@@roneckler9937what you should do is study ancient christian history especially “ the faith of our fathers”. The Bible didnt just drop from the sky. You need to ask where did the bible come from and prior to its existence how did the first Christians practice their faith. I remember a Baptist Pastor asking another Pastor on how to interpret a certain passage. They both differed. So they consulted a senior Pastor , who told them that they were both wrong and he was the one who was right , which they didnt agree. This prompted the1st Pastor to search on who has the authority to interpret the Bible inerrantly. Also, a client of mind who has a short hair was visited by a neighbor who has a waist long hair. Each of them said that their Pastor told them on what the Bible says about haircut. Theyre both Pentecostals with different Pastor. One Pastor said to cut women hair . The other said never to cut women’s hair. They both based it on a Bible passage,according to them.
I was in a personal relationship with God through my Lutheran church? I like Jesus and could never be where I am at today without him but poor Jesus was a bit delusional. There is no such thing as a God who condemns the human soul.
Thank you for sharing this scripture. I have been pastoring for over 40 years. I have witnessed people coming to Jesus in true repentance. Their life was radically changed by the spirit of God. It saddens my heart to say that some of these born again saints, after years of serving God returned to their previous life. If you look at the way they live now there is not a trace of Jesus Christ in their life. When you are saved you don’t lose your free will. As you chose to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior. Later on in the journey you can choose to opt out. You never lose your free will. The misguided teaching that offers reassurance of salvation to church members who willfully, deliberately, and continually sin is false
This scripture once again is misinterpreted because of what the vast majority of us have been taught to believe by false teachers. The verse explicitly states that those who overcome are clothed in white; he will NOT blot their name out of the book of life. “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” Revelation 3:5 NKJV Now the “Overcomer” is not the best performing Christian nor is it the one who strives until the end. The overcomer is DEFINED here: “For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?” I John 5:4-5 NKJV If you read the whole of 1 John 4 it sets the underlying understanding of what it means to overcome. It’s so simple that we miss it. The overcomer is the one who believes in the finished work of Christ. That is why we are exhorted to understand the love of God that now lives within us by way of the Holy Spirit. Perfect love casts out all fear. He who is in you is GREATER than he who is in the world. This is all eternal security. What is actually meant to be a comforting verse of assurance to the believer has been twisted into something else. I hope this helps
Exactly Jesus said many will try to enter the gates but you will make it. It also says through much fear and trembling when we through the gates of heaven. You cannot get in the lambs book of life, unless you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. End of story.
It seems like my comment was deleted. But I will share it once again. The Bible makes it clear in this very verse you shared that "The Overcomers name will NOT be blotted out of the book of life". Who is he who overcomes the world? He who believes that Jesus is the son of God. If you are born again you are an overcomer and your name will NOT be blotted out. You overcame not in the flesh but by the blood of the lamb. “Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?” I John 5:1-5 NKJV “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” Revelation 3:5 NKJV “You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.” I John 4:4 NKJV
Salvation is an ongoing process, always has been and always will be. Because we have the ability to commit sins even after we accepted Lord Jesus Christ. That's why repentance is needed.
@vaskarkeishamvaskar7937 If salvation is an ongoing process, then you must be proclaiming the failure of the blood of Christ at the Cross and the resurrection power of God!
@@brohuggie2978 no man, suppose if you are a branch/graft and Jesus Christ is the main stem, His sacrifice on the cross serves as a permit/allowance or should i say creates a way of/possibility for you to be grafted into the main branch, first of all you have to choose to be grafted aka choose to follow Christ's way of life, then to assure your salvation you have to make sure you remain grafted and not separated aka continue living Christ's way of life from the main stem i.e Christ. Note: Christ sacrifice on the cross = a possibility created for man to be saved. Grafting = choosing and following and continue living Christ way of life Separating from main stem = living sinful ways/ or living in wordly way Repenting (like actual serious repenting aka. honestly giving your best not to sin)= being regrafted again. I still dont know how you and a lot of other people thought Christ sacrifice on the cross gives u a license to keep on living in sin. But then i guess u guys were just comforting yourself from guilt and shame by lying to yourselves. The thing is guilty and shame in heathy amounts can very good and healthy for you. U are still alive so you can now change uour beliefs to the truth.
@@OfftheChainz Sanctification is Jesus not you or your deeds friend. If one doesn’t understand that then it will be hard to understand what God had to do to save us. When we come boldly to God it is because of the risen Christ that is in us not us. He is the Holy one not us it is he who was sanctified by His blood Jesus is the perfect sacrifice and the righteousness of God is the manifestation of Jesus in the believer How? By us believing what He did at the cross for our redemption. The fished work not an ongoing deceptive teaching of devils that think they need to do the work to look good before God. All that is is denying God and His work….
It is for a lot,but there are points in scripture like in Hebrews 6 and 2 peter 2 18-21 that talks about those that were walking in the Spirit and walk away
Scripture talks about both - 'The Tares and the Wheat' (Math. 13:24), as an example of those who never 'believed' but appeared as though they had (in farming wheat, a tare is almost indistinguishable from a wheat shaft. Only at harvest time do they really show themselves). But, in the 'Parable of the Sower', only the first group didn't receive the word. The rest all received it, even with joy, and began to show some growth. The 'rocky' and 'thorn' soil never continued (abided) to the point of producing fruit (symbolic of falling away). Those apostates he mentioned were likely all 'believers' in their past but fell away like those two soil types. Were the 10 virgins not all believers awaiting the Lord's return? Yet only 5 made it! That they were all believers is not challenged in the parable. It was their failure to continue in devotion to the things of Jesus that is reflected in their demise. A 'Tare' never truly believed, so how can they 'fall away'? They never had something that they could fall away from. Only a true believer can fall away. They indeed have something that they can fall away from.
@@carolineoates5964, thank you for responding back. I have left so many comments at other sites, and so few bother to even respond that I've almost come to the point of 'why' to bother anymore. May God bless you as you walk with Him.
I believe, as long as we are in a flesh suit, we will have to repent. The old man vs the new man battle goes on. Which one I feed wins. We will always have to tame our tongue and bring our flesh under control. Paul spoke about this struggle in Romans. This is a process as one of the commentors stated here. Thank God, we have the Holy Spirit to convict us, when we miss the mark. I must repent often. I must stay on the vine and learn or mature in this walk of faith. He who began a good work in you, will be faithful to bring it to completion.
Would that mean there isn't born again believers, that are in a season of back sliding? They get confused with unbelievers but does that mean they don't exist? Third question is, could it be possible the first couple miles of your race have been successful but time and experience may teach something about yourself that expands your understanding of Bible?
@@bryanherman6616 "backsliding" doesn't mean a loss of salvation. All our sin was paid for by the blood of Jesus and once we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit (born again) there is no sin left unforgiven that would cause the Holy Spirit to depart, rendering us "unborn."
I challenge that you read Matthew 25:1-13 The parable of the 10 virgins; Jesus expects us to be prepared for His return! Also read Hebrews 10:26-31 All throughout the Bible warns us to watch and pray! None of us are perfect; but the Bible doesn't teach eternal security...and yes He promises that He would never leave or forsake us, but we can leave Him if our priorities aren't focused on Him! May the Lord our God keep us grounded and steadfast in His love!💯🙏🏾🩸🙌🏾❤️❤️
@@Richard-kf7py Challenge accepted. The oil in the parable mentioned is referring to the Holy Spirit. As born again believers, we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us (as oil in a lamp), thus we are prepared for His return! Hebrews 10:26-31 was directed towards Jews who thought their sin was still forgiven on the day of Atonement upon animal sacrifice. The writer was saying that there is no more sacrifice for sin because Jesus WAS/IS the only sacrifice, hence NO MORE SACRIFICE to be had! You will never know if your "priorities are focused on Him" well enough and the reality is that they never will be on this side of eternity.
No. Salvation is a gift from God. Once you are born again, you can not be un-born. It is a great relief to know that your eternity with God in heaven is not in your own hands. Jesus said He will lose none that the Father has given Him.
Your wrong. If you are born again, and then at some point say "curse God I revoke my salvation." Or basically say that with your actions, you will not make it. Refer to the bridesmaids with the oil lamps. 5 were not ready (born again) when the groom came and they were left outside. Bible.
Agreed about the bridesmaids. There's multiple Scriptures about what sounds like Believers being cast into outer darkness. Or being spit out, etc. I think there's a difference between being snatched and choosing to follow satan instead of God. And choosing to continue in unrepented sin is choosing to follow satan instead of God.
@andrewcorso6848, i don’t mean to be rude but that’s a sloppy way of handling scripture and to be fair a lot of people do it. They’ll jump around pulling out a scripture that seems to support their conclusions but the fact is everyone could do that and it would leave us contradicting one another. When reading scripture one is suppose to interpret scripture in light of the rest of the teaching. I’m a dispensationalist myself i don’t believe all scripture is written for all people in all places and all time.
Such an important conversation. Each of us needs to examine ourselves. God is faithful. HIS desire is always FOR US. But we can have head knowlege without fully submitting.... and NO ONE BUT GOD can be sure who is in relationship with Him and who is just an acquaintance. Ask yourself who YOU are submitted to ... who are you serving? ... Yourself or your Savior.
I think if you're looking for ways to excuse your sin, then you're probably at risk. Also if you have no fear of The Lord, you're probably at risk. These are things that point to you not really knowing Him.
You're right, Nowhere in the bible does it say we should pray for Jesus to come into our hearts. Being saved through faith, and accepting what Jesus did for us on the cross. There is nothing you can do to earn, or win your salvation. John 1:12 says "Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." Praying, or Baptism will not get you in Heaven. Now, The Bible does say that we are to pray continually to God. This is how we communicate with Him, and that baptism is the way we show the world that we do accept Christ, so to pray to God for his mercy, and to show us his grace, in my opinion is a great way to start a relationship with the one true God. Remember what Paul tells us in Romans 14:1-4 "Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge the [a]servant of another? To his own [b]master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand." If someone believes that if they say a prayer, and are true in heart, then they will be saved, and we shouldn't criticize them for it. They probably didn't know how to get to God before that time in their life. Romans 10:9-10 "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. "
If u could lose your salvation, U would. If u believe that u can lose your salvation, then u have to believe that u are the one keeping it and thats just not the case....
Exactly. How arrogant it is for a person to think they are the one keeping their self saved. If they are trusting in their self, then they may not even be saved.
@@austinp1998 the opposite is true. How godless it is to think "once saved always saved". Cause God never forces us to follow him, and so it is not God, but it is alone you and me who decide we go to heaven or not. It is the same with our decision for Jesus: we alone decide to want that, not God. God offers this decision and we, you and me, we decide. Other wise all people in this word would reach the kingdom of heaven. But only maybe 5 % do. Why? Cause its not God who force us, to go there. If God does all, than all would go to heaven. Every child sees, that this cannot be true. God gave us a free will, and it is ours, and ours alone, who decide where we will go. The other side is, that no one ever can say: I got saved cause I did so good things in my life, cause I decided to follow Jesus, ........Cause God can show you for one good deed you do 1000 sins you also committed. So at the end, it is grace if you reach the heaven. So nobody ever can be proud of how "good" he was. But this two sides are the sides of the truth, and it is totally wrong to take only the right or the left side as true. Both sides are true.
So you say some colorful statement but don't take us to Bible verses to back up your huge claim. What is the huge difference, Bible scholar, between Salvation and having Jesus as Lord? I won't get a response because your claim isn't supported by what CHRISTIANS get their faith from, that is the Bible. JOHN chapter 17:3 says, "This is eternal life (salvation), that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent". Now we read Jesus telling us to KNOW the one True God and Jesus is salvation. You may say one leads to the other but you do a word search on KNOW used in that verse and it isn't an intellectual knowledge but a relational knowledge of being one with the Father and Son. How can you be one and Jesus says in Bible the evidence of that is me bring Lord of your life. Just as Jesus was submitted to His Father on earth and did whatever He said Jesus in turn says if your one with me and Father (saved) you) u will no longer speak or do without leading. You can't say your saved and go on with life saying He doesn't need to be Lord. This was never taught by Jesus.
There is a great difference at salvation its totally Jesus's work and not any efforts from man but for the sake of lord its when man fully submits their entire body and soul for Christ's use
@@ChristineTX_How do you define salvation in the context of the gospel message?_ Why don't we allow the Lord and Savior Himself answer that question, this is how Jesus defines 'salvation' [ Matthew 24:13 ] But he who endures to the end *shall be saved.* There it is.. if we can endure to the end, we shall receive salvation, if we fall away and fail to endure to the end, we will not receive salvation, this is how the Bible defines 'salvation' in the context of Christ's Gospel message.
If you had a true conversion and the holy spirit is living in you theirs no way you can be unsaved. That means the holy spirit will leave you. Can't happen. So if you are truly saved you cannot loose your salvation.
Not quite true. He owns us once He has saved us. Being united with Him in love, we are incapable of walking away of our will. This is the main question 1 John resolves.
Jesus said that no one comes to me unless the Father draws him and in no way will I cast him out. Repentance is metanoia meaning change of mind. When a person is convicted of his sins and sees God’s forgiveness he changes his mind about God, repents and is baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and receives the Holy Spirit.
hey bud, you state "Jesus said that no one comes to me unless the Father draws him and in no way will I cast him out." but you left out, Jesus speaking, "if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me". Who does God call to receive salvation? I believe Jesus died for all not some. I believe that God desires that all should come to repentance. I believe its was God who wants all people to come to the knowledge of the truth. I believe Jesus gave himself as a ransom for all. I believe it was God who said that no man should perish. 2 Thess 2:9, The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The condition "refused to love the truth and took pleasure in unrighteousness". The response "they are condemned, not saved".
I was not raised in church, and I accepted Jesus in 2021 at 50 years old. I wasnt around church before 2021, but it seems like theres been a "ticket to Heaven" mentality going on. Get Saved, get your ticket to Heaven, go on with your life. This is a very important teaching. Ill go watch the full video that you linked to in another comment. Thank You Lord for having Your Hand on clearing up teachings in Your Church!! It is a season for this, and I am thinking this may also be part of the great apostasy, because as the teachings are corrected many will be offended.
Reading through the comments, sounds like it brought more confusion than clarity for most people. This is the kind of thing that can really keep believers wandering in the wilderness.
Philippians 2:12 “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Amen! Its us who has to work it! But no one can be proud to do good things. Like a coin has two sides. When you´re obeying God than you can praise him that He was giving you the grace to do it. When you dont obey Him than you have to ask whether your faith is real you must proove yourself
The righteous (which there are !!!) get: "Well done, good and faithful servant." And bound into forever like little children. And some of us will be in tears and with a broken heart, as Jesus says" My blood is sufficient." And we will helped up and join the righteous as little children experiencing the joy of forgiveness and family.
When I surrendered my life to Christ on April 22, 1973, not only did I give Him my heart, but I surrendered to His Lordship, by changing my mind about the way I was living and knew it was bad and wrong, now I choose His way of Life for me. I changed from inside out, and it was instantaneously, because Holy Spirit was performing all the Sanctification and transformation... And I never went back to heroin, cocaine, alcohol addictions...
@@lifelinesoutreachWhat are you talking about. He hasn’t said anything wrong. My question to you is what bible are you not reading. Jesus didn’t die to make you judge.
@@SachelleCambria 1 Corinthians 5:12 English Standard Version 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church[a] whom you are to judge?
I appreciate these thoughts. Still a tricky topic for me. My husband, who was also my best friend, walked away from God (and all of us as a family) when we went through extreme pressure. He did have a deep and living grasp of repentance and lordship, but the thorns, “The worries of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth”, overwhelmed him. Still, God has told us not to give up prayer for him. I am encouraged by your words about another chapter 🙏🏾♥️
@@carly-0-7 No. He was saved, LOVED Jesus, moved in love and the gifts, had amazing wisdom... We also were in sync when the Spirit came into the room. If everyone fell down laughing, we'd be the two crying, and at the same split second, we'd laugh and they'd cry. He was abandoned at 6 months and a younger Christian than me, so some kind of deep wound got hit in the pressure cooker of 2 difficult years (and THEN, we lost everything!) Some kind of despair took him down. Obviously, this has challenged me. Years have passed now, but we keep praying as we live our lives.
I'm so sorry for the effects of this on your family. But what the enemy meant for evil, Our God will turn for Good because He IS The Redeemer. Please pray this over your children. This reminds me of the parable of the seeds: and the seed that landed and appeared to sprout but the roots didn't grow deep so at the first storm it was washed away. While the outcome belongs to The Lord, it is still possible your husband (ex?) might return to The Lord. Pray as The Holy Spirit leads. May God make His Face Shine upon you, sister.
There is no controversy. If you turn your back on God and fall back into unrepentent sin, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you are backslidden and hoping becuase once upon a time you accepted Jesus and cared about God that your gunna be saved. You are playing with fire.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. To even be in the book of life You have to saved/born again. And the word says God can take out Your name, which means You are not longer saved. Repent or perish. Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Philipians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Salvation is a free gift,it cannot be earned. John Bevere has always been pharisaical and legalistic. That kind of fear works based message tormented me for years until I learned the true gospel of grace. Then I fell in love with Jesus and everything dramatically changed.
If you love Me you will obey my commands John 14:15 Ephesians 2:10 we are created by God to do good works Hereby we do know Him if we keep His commandments 1 John 2:3-4 Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Hyper grace theology is enmity against The Word of God
I believe we are saved when we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior with repentance. Our ongoing work is to become like Him. We are made in His image but the likeness takes a lifetime.
Rubbish. You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 man made protestant CULTS. There’s NO salvation outside the holy Catholic Church because it’s the ONLY CHURCH. The Bible is a Catholic book the protestant Bible is an incomplete and corrupted Catholic book which I’d rip up. Paul said salvation is an ongoing process so you’re going against sacred scripture and that’s blasphemy.
The follow up to the moment of salvation that the bevere's are talking about is completely different than the "once saved, always saved" topic. It seems like what they are saying is, what happens post moment of salvation is more important than the salvation itself. Because if it is then it becomes about works and is no longer grace based. And now we are constantly working for approval, to maintain our salvation or even not lose our salvation. Which now brings up so many other issues and questions: what is a "good work?" How many "good works" do we need to get our tickets to heaven, a simple majority or around 90% Its more than problematic.
scripture is clear. Read the whole bible , each book in context. Yes you can lose your salvation. Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
@@klausmkl so where are you now? Have you lost your salvation and are in the process of regaining it? Or have you regained it? What sins did you commit to lose your salvation and what good works did you perform to regain it? And how do you know where you stand? I guess my name written in the book of life is written with a pencil, bc Jesus is constantly erasing it? And what happens if you die today, having lost your salvation but you are so close to getting it back? Tough luck?
@@klausmkl technically, we cannot lose what God has purchased and made available to anyone who believes? I don’t even like the question once saved, always saved? How about, once we have believed and received Gods gift of eternal life, can we, through bitterness, doubt and unbelief choose to sever that relationship? In other words, do we lose the capacity to choose, once we choose? Or perhaps we never choose at all? But are coerced through predestination, and election?
@@klausmklhow many times in the past week have you lost your salvation? The scripture you quoted has nothing to do with losing salvation salvation. 🤦🏻♂️
I was a prodigal child , even though I walked with Jesus for 1 years 2014 -2015. And I saw the transformation . I difted away. It took a decade for me to come back to Jesus . I know it if I would’ve died in my Sin I would’ve have gone to Hell . Period . But by the Grace of God I was spared and now I am back on track reading my Bible ,Praying everyday . Not will fully sinning . Everyone’s journey is different . But if you die in willful sin meaning rebellion . You will be separated from God . I believe that . I say 1 thing to you friends . Don’t gamble with your salvation
Glad you're speaking about this because there's a pretty intractible heresy going around ("free grace" theology) that's teaching people that they not only don't have to foresake their sins, but that doing so constitutes a "work" and violates God's promise of the gift of salvation being "free". I'm happy to see that there are still Godly folks teaching righteousness in this crooked world.
These godly folks teaching righteousness is mentioned in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 'For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.' read Jonah 3:10 God views "turning from sin" a work 'And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.'
@WilsonGasmido There's actually a lot to unpack here, but I want to start with this idea of "works" first. You say that turning from sin is a "work", yet do you know what else is a "work"? Sin is a work. You might recall God's word says that: "Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy,d drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." - Galatians 5:19-21 What I mean is that every action you take is in service to someone: either God or Satan. When we sin, this is a service to the devil. God's word says that: "Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." - 1 John 3:8 "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience." - Ephesians 2:1-2 "By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." - 1 John 3:10 Now when you're a worker, a worker earns a wage and Paul writes to us that: "The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 6:23 Moreover Paul also writes that: "If you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." - Romans 8:13 "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?" - Romans 6:1-2 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness." - Romans 6:12-13 Jesus said that: "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other." - Matthew 6:24 and also that: "Everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin." - John 8:34 While Paul similarly states that: "Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness." - Romans 6:16-18 You quoted 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 implying that these 2 teachers of righteousness are agents of the enemy, when in actual fact its those who encourage our brothers and sister to remain in a life of bondage to sin that are the "tares amongst the wheat". The book of Jude records that: "For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed-ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." - Jude 1:4 And again Paul similarly writes that: "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." - 2 Peter 2:1-3 "The time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions." - 2 Timothy 4:3 God's purpose in sending His Son Jesus wasn't only to save His people from the penalty of sin, but also to free us from its power as well. You might recall Jesus said that God had sent Him to "proclaim liberty to the captives" (Luke 4:18). He's speaking of freeing men [women] from the slavery of sin and (by His Spirit) empowering/guiding us to live righteous lives that please Him. It's true that we are "saved by grace through faith" and that "this is not of ourselves, but a gift from God" (Ephesians 2:8), but if you literally just keep reading God's word also says that: "We are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life." - Ephesians 2:10 So in this way, our good works alone cannot save us, but when we are saved (that is when we have surrendered our lives to follow Jesus and turn from our wicked ways and receive His Spirit), his Spirit changes our hearts to align our desires with the Father's will for our lives (which never includes sin). The reason the good works that we now walk in we can take no credit for is because it is God working within us, "to will and to work for His good pleasure" [Philippians 2:13] (and not a labor of our own human effort). Lastly, Jesus said: "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." - Matthew 16:24 So "present your body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship," (Romans 12:1) and "put to death therefore what is earthly in you." (Colossians 3:5).
@johntrevett2944 'What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?" - Romans 6:1-2 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." - Romans 6:12-14 "What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness." - Romans 6:15-18 "Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." - 1 John 3:8-10
God doesn't give a gift and take it back. If you choose to turn away from your faith, or if you never really loved the Lord, was just going through the motions, or whatever the case maybe. Then you can end up in hell if you don't choose to come to yourself and repent before it is to late. God let us know that in the Bible not all that say Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Well Sister, If a True Believer accepted the Gift Salvation in full hearted faith, then that Gift is not going. the devil may put doubt in the heart if the a true believer but That Seal of Holy Spirit of Promises Remains until the Day if Redemption. Romans 8: 1, 9-11 kjv 1st There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Ephesians 1:10-14 kjv 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 2:8,9 kjv 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
Not so…Phillipians 2: 12-14 “12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. 14 Do all things without [d]complaining and disputing,[e] 15 that you may become blameless and [f]harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.” Hebrews 3:6 “6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope [a]firm to the end.” Mat 10:22 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.” Mat 24:13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Mark 13:13 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” 2 Timothy 4: 3/4 “3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” James 1:12 “Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.” Revelation 3:5 “5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”
@@zechariah1398 You have the spirit of truth. Most Christians have been deceived by false doctrine. Read the TRIBULATION GUIDE and learn the truth. G.B.
@zechariah1398 NONE of the scriptures you cited are contrary to the bedrock truth of eternal security once a person is saved. Christianity is not a spectator faith. It is a very active life where one submits to God and yields to the power of the Holy Spirit to be Christ in, through, with and by each person who is eternally saved by Him. Stop confusing the earmarks of the Christian life in Christ, with works necessary to maintain our position with God or risk eviction from His family. Maybe you would eliminate your children from your family for failing somehow, but God the Father would NEVER kick a son or daughter out of His family.
@@ralphey8189 what part of…”he who endures to the end shall be saved.” do you not understand? Scripture says what it says. If you disagree with it’s teachings maybe you should examine the religion you are following. Mormon maybe…or JW…or…
I excepted Jesus a long time ago but i still live in sin. Is something wrong with me? Did the holy Spirit not change the old me? Now with that said i sin and feel terrible and i try and try but im tempted and fall again. So what do i do?
If you are truly born again, you have the Holy Spirit in you. Your soul hasn’t changed and you need to renew your mind. Romans 12:2 do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God‘s will is - his good, pleasing, and perfect will. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide and don’t give up.
I like the analogy of marriage. I have been married 15years and I keep tell single young people, “ when you get married, what you knew while single will not apply to your marriage. You have put on learning glasses to learn everything fresh.”
You can not lose your salvation. If you could that would mean you did something to earn it. If that were the case then the entire premise of the Christian faith would be lost. This will be argued from every possible angle and theological position known to man, but it will never change what Christ did on the Cross for all who call on His name. Christ holds us, not the other way around.
nobody can earn it, but also everyone can loose it. This is bible. It´s like a coin has two sides, not one. Or a small way you can go right or left but you must stay in the middle.
“Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.” Philippians 2:12-13 NIV Don’t try to hide your sin …
Genuine Christians will never lose their salvation. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Some Christians can really screw up in life and if they don’t shape up they will lose rewards, but never eternal life.
Rubbish. Only Catholic’s go to Heaven because there’s NO division in paradise. You belong to a man made protestant CULT and will lose your immortal soul if you carry on down your heretical protestant path. There’s ONLY ONE CHURCH
So Jesus thought that whoever believes in Him will not perish ( meaning not die and not going to hell) but have EVERLASTING life ( John 3:16). How can we lose life to be everlasting when it lasts forever? Also, Jesus said you will not perish or not die, which spiritually is death in Hell. Are we supposed to ignore what Jesus has said? Now that is crazy to me.
1 John 2:19, “These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.” NLT
The passage you refer to is about antiChrists - people who emerge who are public opponents of the truth - the passage you refer to does not relate to people who while living in a saved state used their freedom to turn away from God.
Yes, and everybody thought in the beginning that they were saved. But they were not. Only cause you go to church or call Jesus Lord you are not saved. Obediance and the right good fruit is, what salvation shows.
Both sides can be debated with scripture. One point - If many saints in the last days fall away, then they had to be saved in the first place otherwise they have not fallen away from anything.
.... but who is saved, nobody knows. Thats the point. Only cause we go to church, we must not be saved. Obediance and the right fruit shows, whether a person is saved or not. Words counts nothing, God is not interested in words
Matthew 11:21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that occurred in you had occurred in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Yrs because When Jesus prayed for diciplined ones he prayed that Their FAITH wouldn't fsil, and He spoke and Said He who rndures until the end shall be saved. And Said who will i find with faith on my return
SO JESUS CHRIST WILL,, UN .REDEEMHIS CHILDREN ? YOU NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT CALLING JESUS CHRIST A LIAR IN JOHN CH 3 VS 16 , ITS CALLED THE GOOD NEWS 4 A REASON,WHEN U R REDEEMED 4 EVER IS FOR EVER
Free will does not go away once you are saved. You make the choice, as required by God, to choose Him, and you are born again. But you still have free will to un-choose. That is the unforgivable sin, to be born again and filled with the goodness and presence of the Holy Spirit and then to say I hate you and don’t want you anymore. Sin doesn’t make you lose your salvation. As long as you believe, nothing can take you from His hand, but your free will choice to walk away most definitely can.
In the Words of our King Jesus Christ “My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand.” John 10:27-28 CSB
Something we always get wrong is that we think we were God’s enemies. Let’s see what Paul says “Colossians 1:21 “And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your (MIND) by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight- The things that separated us from God is the way we thought towards God. We were never God’s enemies, never. The Father doesn’t look at his creation and 24hr in a day looks upon them as his enemies.
In the name of Jesus just quit with that unscriptural nonsense! Why? Because for one, if folks listen to it you’ll incur judgement unless you repent for misleading them! Yes, that’s what I said so please read it again and let it soak in. Repent for your careless words of man that fall to the ground. Surely you’ve read John 3:16 but have you bothered to read to the end of the chapter? Who is God’s enemy if it isn’t the one His wrath remains on for not obeying His Son? (Before receiving Christ) the Bible says we were “children of wrath.” Outside of Christ we were in the kingdom of darkness and who was our king then? It sure wasn’t the Lord! So if it wasn’t do you think He was our friend then?! No, we were absolutely enemies because of the original sin we are born with. Thanks be to God, though, that because of His great love, mercy and grace, His children have been redeemed. We’re bought by the blood of Jesus who saved us out of that old dark kingdom and has brought us into His marvelous kingdom of light! We worship the King of Kings! His grace is amazing and only now in Christ do we have the privilege of being friends with Him. So be humble and ask for godly sorrow to genuinely repent before God. And quit thinking you can speak for Him! We already have His word and it’s sufficient. Know this. His mercy is great and His grace is amazing! But neither will He share with His enemies who refuse to bow the knee and kiss the Son! Jesus is Lord! 🙏
I fully agree with you from my own experience + working out our salvation = it's a continuous working of me + our Holy Spirits power threw His word....meditating on His word prevents us from doing things our way.... Hope I make sense..... Definitely not a one time thing & from my experience they are just as mean as they were before repentance.... 😊
You’re referencing a works based salvation. There is nothing you can do to keep yourself saved, only God can do that by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit when we are born again. We are then sealed until the day of redemption. People can be quite mean when they don’t truly understand the gospel. They’ll always wonder where they stand with the Lord because they can’t ever do enough. Our good deeds are like filthy rags. It’s only when we rest in the finished work of Jesus that we will have full assurance of our salvation. It’s eternal.
@@ChristineTX Hello Christine, Continuing to place one's faith in God is not a work. The following two bible passages prove that it is not. Firstly Romans 5:2 ESV Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. The verse above shows that instead of our faith being a result of receiving God's grace - we only access God's grace THROUGH faith. This continues during the Christian life - while God's grace helps to keep us in the faith - it is also true that we will need to exercise faith (which is not a work) to remain covered by God's grace. The verses below show the same - that instead of our continuing to have faith being the result of receiving God's grace - it's the opposite - our continuing to be covered by God's grace depends on our doing something which isn't a work - namely placing our faith in God. Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
@@ChristineTX What you're referring to is the initial step to salvation. There is a long journey ahead when coming into sanctification. Philippians 2:12: work out your own salvation with fear and trembling Revelations 2:5: Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. All the promises in John 6:27 Psalm 37:28 John 6:37-39 and so on... are for the saints, as an encouragement to keep the faith and race running.
@@brondarch2450 And these two: Philippians 1:6-“Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:” Philippians 2:13-“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
@@johnong2655 Revelation chapter 2 is Christ’s instructions and exhortations to the seven churches of Asia. None of these exist anymore but their mistakes are an example of modern churches to follow as to not backslide into error.
@@treystevenson9872 To assert your claim, none of the other churches in the other books of the bible remained. Meaning you can't just simply remove 1 book from the bible if it isn't relevant to todays situation. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12)
What is the meaning of apostacy? What about Demas who went on missions with paul and left? What is the meaning of "whoever puts his hand to the plough and turns back' I dont know if Pastor John answered the question
I understand there's to many scriptures I would have you hot or cold but lukewarm I'll spew you out. What's that referring too what about the fruit if it's not producing it he would hewn it down. Some will depart from the faith from doctrines of devils. If take away from the book I'll blot you name out. If you add anything I'll add to your plagues of life.
You don’t understand the context of this passage. It was directed towards Jews who thought their sin was still forgiven on the day of Atonement upon animal sacrifice. The writer was saying that there is no more sacrifice for sin because Jesus WAS/IS the only sacrifice, hence NO MORE SACRIFICE to be had!
@ChristineTX So what about: "For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." - Romans 8:13 ""I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." - Jude 1 "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness." - 1 Peter 2:24 "Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God." - 1 Peter 2:16 "Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation." - 1 Peter 2:11-12 "Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” - 1 Peter 1:13-16 "Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does." - 1 Peter 4:1-6 "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." - 1 John 3:9-10 "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." - Galatians 5:16 "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works." - Titus 2:11-14 "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." - Ephesians 2:1-3 "Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls." - James 1:21 "Abstain from every form of evil." - 1 Thessalonians 5:22 "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life." - Galatians 6:8 "Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin." - John 8:34 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." - Romans 6:12-14 "The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." - Galatians 5:19-21 "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." - Romans 8:9 "And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." - Galatians 5:24 "So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." - Romans 6:11 "Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry." - Colossians 3:5 "To put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness." - Ephesians 4:22-24 "We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin." - Romans 6:6
100% correct. You can always tell the people who do not know how to rightfully divide or actually know how to study the Bible. This scripture is so taken out of context and you are 100% right this was written to the Jews and had absolutely nothing to do with their salvation.
and what does that mean ? to see if you are sinning or are you trusting in what Jesus did on the cross and trusting in his grace. Paul already said if you have this hope in you purifiy yourself
Totally believe we can lose our salvation...Free will still exists in heaven. This is in the knowledge that my own wife of nearly 40 years has fallen away and now doesn't believe (yes she did speak in tongues etc). I pray for her and others in my family who did now don't follow Jesus. We choose our destiny, it is less a matter of sin (still a problem, to be sure) more a matter of choice.
Most do not know what you taught, its 100% true! One must be born again of spirit to be really saved, then take up their cross daily confessing when failing! Then we have an advocate, when one’s humble and repentant! Bro robert
Agreed - please see my two main posts here - one is on repentance - and the other is on 'once saved always saved' - which is not correct doctrine - I present four bible passages which show that it cannot be.
Agreed. Please see my two main posts here - one of which is on repentance - and the other is about 'once saved always saved' - which is not correct doctrine - in which I list four passages (yours being one) which show that people have the freedom to turn from their state of right relationship with God to live out a pattern of free, knowing, and wilful sin.
It was directed towards Jews who thought their sin was still forgiven on the day of Atonement upon animal sacrifice. The writer was saying that there is no more sacrifice for sin because Jesus WAS/IS the only sacrifice, hence NO MORE SACRIFICE to be had!
@@ChristineTX correct in that the entire chapter is talking about Jesus being the sacrifice so if after learning and receiving that truth, if they willfully sin that sacrifice - Jesus' sacrifice which is much more costly than that of an animal - no longer remains for them. Heb. 6:6. This wasn't a message to Jews alone. Romans 2:28-29
This whole notion of the great falling away hangs on that one verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, and the interpretation of that verse all hangs on the interpretation of that Greek word apostasia which can be interpreted 2 ways: as a spiritual departure or a physical departure. Given the end-time context of this chapter, some commentators such as Dr Andy Woods have theorised that the apostasia actually refers to the rapture, which is a physical departure from the earth by the church which will happen at some point during the end times. Unfortunately, the word apostasia has now been transliterated into the English language with a meaning of spiritual departure attached to it, ever since the King James Version translators interpreted it that way, so most people just assume apostasy is a falling away from the faith, and have no idea that it could also refer to the rapture.
the title has the totally wrong question. The question is not whether a born again christian can loose his salvation (he can not) , but the question is: who is a born again christian, or: how do you recognize who is a born again christian. Cause not all who say "lord, lord" will enter in the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of the father.
Yes! He says depart from Me, I NEVER KNEW YOU. You who practice LAWLESSNESS. ....... If we cast His Law behind us, it is casting God's WORD, Jesus, away. We can't follow a perfectly obedient Savior by being disobedient!
Every time i think i have given God everything something new is revealed it will take a lifetime as I work out my salvation as the Bible says . It is becoming more sanctified ,
What does it mean if you’re convicted by Hebrews 6? I said the sinners prayer over 20 years ago and had a very scary jolting experience a couple of weeks later.. Ever since then, I’ve gone through seasons of fear that I’ve committed the unforgivable sin.
Absolutely not! You cannot loose your salvation. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:28 What part of “never perish” do we not understand? Remember there are false believers (the goats) true believes remain by God’s power to keep them to the end.
So where did it go for the millions of those who said they were saved years ago and now have either deconstructed or converted out of Christianity? Your next post will say “they never were truly saved” to which i will say, they said they were just like the rest of you guys “say’ you are now. 🤷🏽♂
“The Gnostics misuse the scriptures. They essentially destroy the doctrine of freewill by introducing the theory of ruined natures that are incapable of salvation. They have also introduced the doctrine that they are saved in such a way that they can never be lost!” - Origen (225 AD)
Well explained and I Agree I just had this discussion with my husband and said some of the same.Nice to hear it discussed by you two thanks for sharing.
Amen Brother true repentance comes at a cost when the Holy Spirit baptism. Will lead us into the wilderness to kill the works of the Flesh in us and sanctify us and there will be a change in who we are and where we are heading we have entered the narrow gate and new path of life .
It depends on who does the saving. If a person is saved by God's free and sovereign grace in, by, and through the Lord Jesus Christ, they can never lose their salvation. If a person accepted Jesus as their personal savior, or walked an aisle, or made a decision, or exercised their will to allow God to save them, then they were never actually saved to begin with, and the question is moot.
I always get sick of that response sir. My Baptist dad use to say that. That if they fall away they were not saved in the first place. You might as well say : If you commit a sin or give into temptation you were never saved in the first place. God never takes over people's free wills. The devil would never tempt, attack, and wreck Christians lives if he thought he was powerless to do so. Jesus said He that endures unto the end shall be saved. Paul taught: we were saved, we are being saved, and we shall be saved. Robert Shank was a Baptist pastor who understood and wrote a book on it called "Life In The Son". Every epistle Paul wrote he let you know salvation was conditional upon you staying in the faith. I could write a whole book on the scriptures there are showing you have to abide, and continue, and remain, and keep the faith, etc. to stay saved so to speak. You still have a choice after you get saved to continue and grow and keep the faith and die to self and fear the Lord. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Why teach Christians to fear the Lord if it doesn't matter for their salvation. The Bible is full of ifs. And paul the so called grace preacher was non compromising and full of ifs. If you continue in the faith.
So, can a believer become an unbeliever and still be saved? In Heb 3:12 it says, " Have an evil and unbelieving heart, falling away from the living God", so can I have a evil and unbelieving heart, fall away from God, and still be saved? In 1 Timothy 4:1 it says, " Some will DEPART FROM THE FAITH.....GIVING HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS", so, will you still be saved if you depart form the faith and give heed to doctrine of demons? Gal 5:4 says that some were " Severed from Christ.....and fallen from grace", so will you still be saved if you have been severed from Christ and fallen from grace? Can I walk in darkness? walk after the flesh? disobey the Lord's commands? and still be saved? I believe in the security of the believer, but what about the fellow who no longer believes? who walks in darkness, lies and does not live according to the truth? 1John1:6.....you believe he is still saved?
Unbelievers believe in themselves (works righteousness) . Believers believer like Paul : "as a pattern of them who would believe in Him FOR eternal life". Everlasting is eternal = never ending , by definition . Apart from all behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . The Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life cannot be earned , Merited , or DESERVED ... Can't Earn Grace . Can't DESERVE to enter His Kingdom by means of one's Perseverance in Performance (works) till death . That's what the Judaizers/ unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23 taught , as they rejected His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , in favor of their Filthy Rags righteousness attempts to "come in some other way" by means of self idolatrous righteousness .
@@soljos1190 And? as always you didn't answer what I said. So, according to soljos, if you walk in the light, walk after the Spirit or obey the Lord's commands, you are an UNBELIEVER AND YOU BELIEVE IN YOURSELF!!! But if you walk in darkness, after the flesh and disobey the Lord's commands, you are a true believer and are saved.
@@DannyLoyd I'm ONLY an "unbeliever" in that which is Objectively EXCLUDED as a means of acquiring His PERFECT Righteousness via simple childlike faith in Him FOR it: John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ... Totally apart from all behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Gotta be invested with His PERFECT Righteousness that is not a result of one's "Stellar" - but wholly Unknowable and non Quantifiable - behavioral performance (works) till death . He took away ALL the Payment for all sins ever committed. Finished it all Himself , fully apart from mere sin-filled humans attempting to Propitiate their own sins , as every works righteousness proponent is in fact attempting to do . But that is stealing all the Glory and Praise due to Him alone . Blatant self Idolatry under cover of Christian terminology . You deny the present and Never ending possession of His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life , and instead posit a 5 Part Performance Contract payable upon death entirely contingent upon one's Perseverance until the Finish Line in "hopefully good enough" works . Couldn't be a less plausible or more delusional concept in the annals of recorded History . Straight out of the Judaizer/unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23) Toolbox . Only a PERFECT 100% for a Lifetime Performance Qualifies . And ONLY the Christ (Jesus) can lay claim to that Category : the Giver of His Forever Gift of the Kind of Life He alone intrinsically possesses (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . And you Ain't Jesus , sir . So , you're insurmountable problem remains : working for (and therefore putting God in Debt to you) a Free and Never Deserving Gift that is completely EXCLUDED as a means of its reception: Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; Book of Galatians . You're literally affirming the Unaffirmable, Logically. Truly on the Top Shelf of the Book Section titled : "Things That'll Never Happen" ...
I have a question i accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior but im separated now im i cannot get an annulment until now but my partner and i want to get married we are 10 yrs together we have a daughter but i always get denied in my annulment. Since i recieved HIM in my life want to live a life that is pleasing to HIM, but im always bothered coz i know im committing sin. But i want to keep my partner and my daughter.
The great debate that gets nowhere from both sides. Randy Alcorn once said even though he takes the “once saved always saved side” or leans that way, he mentions “how can any side be right or wrong, we don’t have the Book of Life to even determine that anyway.” After I read that and proceeded with the study that stood at me for along time. I no longer even try to debate it but rather live my life to honor and give glory to God in all ways possible. Jesus died so we can live, use your time serving Him. Galatians 1:10
All due respect to my brothers and sisters in Christ, anyone who believes in once-saved-always-saved (OSAS) is not being consistent with their interpretive principles when reading scripture and are not being intellectually honest. The book of Hebrews clearly conveys that an authentic Christian can become apostate, not to mention, other verses that talk about enduring to the end, etc.
If what you say about decanting your life to Christ is accurate .Can you show that in scripture?. The thief on the cross next to our lord did no such thing yet he was saved. It seems to me this is loading works in through the back door. I do works myself although they are not for Salvation. I do hem because I love my Lord and I love my neighbors.. Eph 2:8-9 tells us Salvation is not of works. As does Romans 4:5 both deal with works. What say you?
While your comments are true and valid about some people not really or genuinely having accepting Christ and being discipled, this STILL does not address the controversy of "Once Saved, Always Saved". Your video doesn't address or "clarify" the myth.
I’ve had these types of conversations many times, and I can appreciate the tensions in the text. I do think the better question is, does my life exemplify someone who is perpetually surrendering my wheel to God’s? That being said, I don’t perceive that this gave a real clear answer to… if someone exemplifies a life that surrenders to an honors God, but even has seasons or struggles (as David did) … can someone who is saved, lose their salvation?
Matthew 13:29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’” Only God knows the heart. I think it's important for us to discuss this, to seek clarity, to examine ourselves, and to spur each other on in the faith. We need to know and teach the Truth and if we see brothers and sisters stumbling, to encourage them. But ultimately God knows what's in our heart. And a heart indifferent to, or worse that still loves sin, is far from Him.
Completely understand where you're at, as I once struggled with many of these same questions until I did some deep study and sought the Lord for answers. He faithfully revealed through the bible and directly to my heart and mind the full extent of the gospel and what salvation really means for us as believers. I found a lot of that missing from this clip & it’s concerning. When we are made alive (born again) by the Holy Spirit, there is no sin left unforgiven that would cause the Holy Spirit to depart and the bible says that we are sealed until the day of redemption. We can’t be “unborn,” and believers need to know this crucial aspect of salvation. If true transformation has taken place, you’ll never “walk away” because you know you belong to Christ. There is no alternative. Despite our wrong thoughts, actions, dark moments in life, doubts, struggles, etc., the Holy Spirit will never depart from someone who has been made into a new creation by their repentance from dead works to belief in the saving power of the Lord Jesus through His death and resurrection. This is why the bible says we can have confidence and assurance in our salvation, it's the most incredible gift ever.
This is the best answer yet! Plenty of scripture has been taken out of context on this subject. Do yourself a favor and listen to FAR BETTER bible teachers than John B. Most bible scholars will tell you that you CAN NOT lose your salvation. Get a good teacher that will walk you through the scriptures. You will find them in almost every denomination. Chuck Missler, John MacArthur (I am not a Calvinist and John is, but he has excellent teaching on OSAS, Robert Morris, Andrew Farley, Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham, David Jeremiah, and literally thousands more. All different doctrines but they all agree you cannot lose your salvation and they do a 1000 times better job with scripture than JB. Almost no true bible teachers agree with John Bevere he is kind of considered a legalist. @@ChristineTX
You folks really have to clarify some things. Once you except Jesus and that you are a sinner, doesn't mean you are going to be this perfect little angel that everybody loves because they feel Jesus flowing through you! Every Christian struggles with sin, so please, those who are now worried from listening to this, whether you saved or not that......stop. The mere fact that you are worried about it tells me your heart is in the right place. May God bless your journey of sanctification!!
I guess my question is what does falling away look like? I know in the past few months my desire for church has really diminished for a variety of reasons, not the church has a body, but the church as a building. my desire for Jesus has actually intensified my prayer life has gotten more fervent. My Bible reading has gotten stronger and my desire to be in the word is also gotten stronger. I hope I’m not being too judge here, but the church and itself in my eyes has turned into too much entertainment, and two theatrical, just my way of seeing it not saying I’m right I’m just saying
"CAN YOU BE SURE OF YOUR SALVATION?" Written by Marty Breeden I'm going to share my years of study....and my heart on a very controversial Biblical subject!! My friends, I grew up in a Pentecostal church, and we got "saved" at least 3 times every week!😅 Seriously though, as I grew older I really grappled with this concept. So I decided to push aside all of my pre-conceived notions, and to prayerfully research this very serious topic on my own. Honestly...I was surprised at the final conclusion that I arrived at, after years of study and prayer. I submit this, my findings for your consideration, written by me, please keep an open mind: We cannot earn our salvation, in any way. We bring nothing to the table but a broken and contrite heart. IT IS A GIFT! Yes, one that we must accept willingly and of our own choosing. We can accept it or reject it, it's our "free will" to do either. If we CANNOT EARN our salvation, and we can't, then how can we ever stay "good enough" to keep it? We CAN'T! Salvation is a gift!! Salvation is called "The gift of God" over 20 times in the New Testament. The Bible tells us that the gifts and callings of God are "without repentence", (Romans 11:29) Meaning they are IRREVOCABLE! God does not "gift us" with eternal life on the "maintenance plan". It is all grace forever and Jesus said ALL that the Father has given me, I will not LOSE one of them! Jesus said in John 6:39: He is the "Good Shepherd",and no good shepherd loses a single sheep. Jesus said "ALL that the Father has given me, I LOSE NONE!" Now admittedly there is a HUGE difference between those who are truly converted and those who are falsely converted. I have studied this issue for MANY years and am convinced of the eternal security of the true believer!! Another point would be this, Jesus told Nicodemas ; "That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6) When you have a child born "of your flesh" there is nothing that child can EVER do to NOT BE YOUR CHILD! It's absolutely impossible to ever undue that which has been done in the flesh! That child may disappoint, disobey, walk away, but regardless that child was born of you and nothing can change that, ...NOTHING! Now, Jesus point is the same concerning that which is "Born of the Spirit". A truly born again child of God may wander, fall, fail and admittedly "conditionally " be a mess, HOWEVER, "POSITIONALLY" they are secure and "SEALED" as an envelope that can only be opened by Father God! (Ephesians 4:30). My daughters will FOREVER be my daughters, and I will FOREVER be their Father regardless of what they do...OR do not do! Can a child ever be "Un-born"? NO! The same spiritual dynamic applies here as well. A comparison to the physical. Some erroneously use Revelation 3:5 to prove that a born again believer can have their names removed from the "Book of Life", but a correct interpretation clearly shows that Jesus said that He would NEVER blot a true believer from the"Book of Life"! Read: "The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels." My friends if "Good works" cannot attain our salvation, then our "Good works" cannot MAINTAIN our salvation! Conversely, neither can "bad works" lose it either. However, I do believe there to be a COLOSSAL difference between those who profess to be "Born again".. and are Christian in name ONLY! As compared to those who are truly "Born Again" and truly saved and display the fruits of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Remember, Jesus said in Matthew 7:22-23: " Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity!" Notice Jesus said I NEVER KNEW YOU! Not "Well, I knew you BUT then,.. you did this, or that, or failed or were fallen, He said I NEVER KNEW you! The truly redeemed are "Sealed unto the day of redemption". If we suppose that we are given the GIFT of salvation but we have to do SOMETHING/ANYTHING in order to keep it, then we are professing and confessing our very own selves as "Co-redeemers" with Christ! Because you are implying your salvation is based on you doing or not doing something and this is simply NOT BIBLICAL! Anyone who thinks however, that this is a license to live in sin and live like hell and the devil is deceived and the truth of Gods Spirit does not dwell within them and I believe Biblically NEVER did have a true encounter with the Living Christ!
What about the thief on the cross?? Did he have time to show people he changed?? NO. Overtime as a Christian your old desires will slowly change by the daily renewing of your mind. But your spirit is PERFECTED the day you make Jesus your Lord & Savior.PERIOD!! Your are claiming your works of not being selfish is what is making you saved.
I had been "saved" since 8 years old , when I started believing in Christ. BUT, I finally asked Jesus into my heart in 2007...before that I definitely gave an in road for Satan to enter because of some of my choices. I feel I'm "branded" and am in the Lambs book of Life. I think there's a big difference between believing and asking God in your heart.
Oh so many people i grew up with said these exact same words, many still do. But there are thousands that now have either deconstructed or converted to other religions, yet said exactly what you said. So, were they not really branded and they only thought they were OR are they branded and Jesus is simply waiting on them to come back which is another way of saying “they lost their salvation” even if only “temporally”? If the later this is what we call mortal sin…
Salvation Sealed Complete Bless your heart Bro John. Eph 1:13-14 “You were SEALED with Holy Spirit of Promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption purchased possession unto the praise of HIS (God’s)Glory! John 10:28 I give my sheep ETERNAL life and they shall NEVER perish nor shall they be plucked out of my hand, (29) my Father which gave them to me is greater than all , and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 1 Peter 1:5 Kept by the power of God unto Salvation. (I am not kept by my works!) 2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also SEALED us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. Rom 8:38-39 Nothing can separate us from the LOVE of God Eph 4:30 SEALED until until the day of REDEMPTION!! John 14:16 I will give you another Comforter that abides with you FOREVER John 3:16 given Everlasting life Heb 13:5 I’ll never leave you or forsake you 2 Tim 2:12 I know whom I have BELIEVED and am PERSUADED that HE (NOT ME!!) is able to keep that which I committed unto him against that day (day of REDEMPTION). Eph 2:8-9 You are saved by GRACE (and Paul is clear to add “NOT OF WORKS”!!) so no man can boast Just a few of a mountain of scriptures on the true believers eternal security.
I’m not sure why it seem like most of the time I’ve heard this questioned asked why pastors won’t answer this question. The Bible is clear in several scriptures but I’ll just list this one where Jesus is speaking Rev 3:5.
When you are in a relationship with The Trinity, after being born again, it is IMPOSSIBLE to eat earthly food again and live. A table is set in the midst of your enemies and you are eating of Him they do not know. If you have had a revelation of who Jesus is, you belong to God.
The best way to learn Christianity is through a traditional church like Catholic or Lutheran. I learned about Jesus and God as an old fashion garden variety, lukewarm Lutheran back in the 50's and 60's. It gave me a moral compass as a child and balance. I had a simple faith in God and no struggles spiritually whatsoever. Later on, I became a Christian fundamentalist and that is what really opened my eyes up to things. I began to realize that the fundamentalist God is not the God I knew as a child. Bringing up a child the fanatical fundamentalist way can be mental and spiritually abusive and gives a child a total false world view and can turn one into a judgmental, ignorant little robot slave.
1Jn 2:19: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us."
❤ wow someone actually knows the correct context. 😊
That’s aligned with “My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 CSB
@@Ezekio3160 the only question which is interesting is: for which people theese verses are valid?
You are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the Day of Redemption. Ephesians 4:30
It's one thing to enter the kingdom through salvation but it's a whole different thing to inherit the kingdom. In the book of Galatians they were talking about the church. If you're living in sin and not repenting you are going to hell.
@@libertymaria-0925repentance only happens once.
@@defendingthefaith.7889we as Christians fall to sin often, it’s part of being human, just like Jesus’ disciples. Repentance can happen multiple times, every time you sin you get back up, pick up your cross and keep going while realizing where you messed up so you can learn from it and not do it again. If repentance only happens once we would be perfect and just like Jesus after we repent
@defendingthefaith.7889 easily debunked as jesus wouldn't have told the church of Sardis to repent as they would have already repented.
Revelation 3:3 KJV - Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.
@@travishowett7651 repentance is to come into the faith. When one hears the gospel. And believes. They have repented. Saved eternally. Nothing can snatch them from the Fathers hand.
We know that there are people in church that are not true followers of Christ. I believe scripture refers to them as tares among wheat. But apostasy refers to those who were a part of the church that leave it. That causes a conundrum in my mind. If that is referring to people that never put their faith in Christ, how can they be called a part of the body?
Based on that plus all the warnings to believers to be alert and to remain in the faith it would seem that a believer can walk away from the faith. We are secure in our salvation in that no one can take it from us but we still have the freedom to walk away
I'm praying for the prodigals that have left the Father to come home 🙏❤️
I agree. Also the Scripture 2 Peter 2:21....about 'it would be better they'd never known than to know and turn away'. There's also multiple Scripture about what sounds like Believers being cast into outer darkness. And the one in Corinthians about being spit out.
We must consider that it is satan who has advanced a Gospel that says we get saved but don't change. Because that benefits satan's kingdom.
The apostasy has been running rampant. Especially more so since we are closer to the end of all things. Every denomination preaches false doctrine not to mention the other religions out there like Islam. Gods elect have been given ears to hear Gods truth. God will confirm his elect to the imagine(likeness) of Christ by putting us through fire to burn out self or what is called sin. He will cause his elect to be obedient to his word and to walk according to his law.
THIS 💯 💪 it's only Logical that anyone at anytime can walk away from the faith, but you have wannabe preachers "self proclaiming christians" on RUclips, I.E. Gregg Jackson ("self professing Christian" is the term he loves to project) who believes in non biblical pre-trib rapture, and also unbiblically believes that the key to salvation is just believing ONE time ever in your life that Jesus is Lord, and carry on living and doing whatever you want and your saved forever, just saying you "believe" one time at any point in your life, that's Gregg Jackson for you here on RUclips, as well as his tickled ears followers.
Apostacy refers to those who were believers who fell away from the faith..not who left the church.
@@zechariah1398 It’s not just a believer and besides a true believer will be brought back from their sin after God puts them through the fire. If you’re elect then you’re elect and nothing can change that. The apostasy is the falling away from Gods truth which the majority of these churches have done. You can be a believer in truth and walk away from it however God will scourge you and make you repent to bring you back to the fold. This only applies to believers and not unbelievers or vessels of wrath.
I’m 50 yrs old and just now learning what a real relationship with Jesus looks like. I “prayed the prayer” in my 20’s and it was very profound but I absolutely didn’t know what to do after and I wish someone had seen how lost I was because I didn’t know that I had no idea what I was doing and I needed guidance. There was no internet back then so it’s nice to read my bible and watch you tube. I’ve tried to restart so many times and this time feels very different I’ve never been able to read and understand the Bible and I’m actually understanding everything I’m reading. I repent everyday and ask God for his forgiveness of my sins and I’m so grateful for Jesus Christ who died for me. I still have A LOT of questions but I ask God for discernment. It’s not going to happen over night and I know that but I’m so eager to learn and be able to quote scripture as I don’t know any by memory right now. I don’t even know how to pray but I do the best I can. I love Him so much and I know He sees my heart. I hope y’all have a blessed day ❤
Sounds like the pope is taking
It was the same for me after I accepted Christ when I was young. I started to rebel against my parents and God until I was in my early 40's. After going through a long depression, the only person that would talk to me is a pastor. After that day, I truly gave my life to Christ. I never knew that Jesus waited for me for all those years, even through my rebellion. The best thing you can do, is get planted in a really good bible teaching church. Take your bible and read along with the pastor out of your own bible. Pray for discernment before the sermon, and let the Holy Spirit take control. Oh, and to help with understanding the bible better, get a study bible. When I read one of the books, (ie - Matthew), I will read it first for the story, then I read it again for the lessons, then read it several times after for key things throughout the book. This will help you a lot. Stay strong and keep fighting the good fight. I will keep you in my prayer. God Bless
Hi Stacey, that is a remarkable change that has begun in your life, when you wrote of not having anyone to assist you at the start of your walk with Christ, is such a sad thing and grieves my heart so much, and the truth is that this has become so normal, yet its not the gospel Jesus taught, he said to make disciples, even RUclips cannot make disciples, this is the call of the church, and for this reason Paul spoke about the five fold ministry, the Apostles, Prophet's, Pastor's, Teacher's, and Evangelists, have been put in the church for the perfecting of the saints, many are accountable for what was not done with those God has brought into the church. I can relate with your words, as from the time of being born again, God has since then done a work in my life in such a way, that now I have the honour and privilege to disciple others, and the result has been so rewarding.... And it seems that by what you have said, that God has sovereignly moved on your life, which is so amazing!!
@@roneckler9937what you should do is study ancient christian history especially “ the faith of our fathers”. The Bible didnt just drop from the sky. You need to ask where did the bible come from and prior to its existence how did the first Christians practice their faith. I remember a Baptist Pastor asking another Pastor on how to interpret a certain passage. They both differed. So they consulted a senior Pastor , who told them that they were both wrong and he was the one who was right , which they didnt agree. This prompted the1st Pastor to search on who has the authority to interpret the Bible inerrantly. Also, a client of mind who has a short hair was visited by a neighbor who has a waist long hair. Each of them said that their Pastor told them on what the Bible says about haircut. Theyre both Pentecostals with different Pastor. One Pastor said to cut women hair . The other said never to cut women’s hair. They both based it on a Bible passage,according to them.
I was in a personal relationship with God through my Lutheran church?
I like Jesus and could never be where I am at today without him but poor Jesus was a bit delusional. There is no such thing as a God who condemns the human soul.
Revelation 3:5 talks about having your name blotted out of the book of life, saved but turned away from The Word of God
Thank you for sharing this scripture. I have been pastoring for over 40 years. I have witnessed people coming to Jesus in true repentance. Their life was radically changed by the spirit of God. It saddens my heart to say that some of these born again saints, after years of serving God returned to their previous life. If you look at the way they live now there is not a trace of Jesus Christ in their life. When you are saved you don’t lose your free will. As you chose to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior. Later on in the journey you can choose to opt out. You never lose your free will. The misguided teaching that offers reassurance of salvation to church members who willfully, deliberately, and continually sin is false
This scripture once again is misinterpreted because of what the vast majority of us have been taught to believe by false teachers. The verse explicitly states that those who overcome are clothed in white; he will NOT blot their name out of the book of life.
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”
Revelation 3:5 NKJV
Now the “Overcomer” is not the best performing Christian nor is it the one who strives until the end. The overcomer is DEFINED here:
“For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?”
I John 5:4-5 NKJV
If you read the whole of 1 John 4 it sets the underlying understanding of what it means to overcome. It’s so simple that we miss it. The overcomer is the one who believes in the finished work of Christ. That is why we are exhorted to understand the love of God that now lives within us by way of the Holy Spirit. Perfect love casts out all fear. He who is in you is GREATER than he who is in the world.
This is all eternal security. What is actually meant to be a comforting verse of assurance to the believer has been twisted into something else.
I hope this helps
Exactly
Jesus said many will try to enter the gates but you will make it. It also says through much fear and trembling when we through the gates of heaven.
You cannot get in the lambs book of life, unless you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. End of story.
Also, why would we have to “work out our salvation“????
It seems like my comment was deleted. But I will share it once again. The Bible makes it clear in this very verse you shared that "The Overcomers name will NOT be blotted out of the book of life".
Who is he who overcomes the world? He who believes that Jesus is the son of God. If you are born again you are an overcomer and your name will NOT be blotted out. You overcame not in the flesh but by the blood of the lamb.
“Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?”
I John 5:1-5 NKJV
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”
Revelation 3:5 NKJV
“You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.”
I John 4:4 NKJV
Salvation is an ongoing process, always has been and always will be. Because we have the ability to commit sins even after we accepted Lord Jesus Christ. That's why repentance is needed.
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If salvation is an ongoing process, then you must be proclaiming the failure of the blood of Christ at the Cross and the resurrection power of God!
@@brohuggie2978 no man, suppose if you are a branch/graft and Jesus Christ is the main stem, His sacrifice on the cross serves as a permit/allowance or should i say creates a way of/possibility for you to be grafted into the main branch, first of all you have to choose to be grafted aka choose to follow Christ's way of life, then to assure your salvation you have to make sure you remain grafted and not separated aka continue living Christ's way of life from the main stem i.e Christ.
Note: Christ sacrifice on the cross = a possibility created for man to be saved.
Grafting = choosing and following and continue living Christ way of life
Separating from main stem = living sinful ways/ or living in wordly way
Repenting (like actual serious repenting aka. honestly giving your best not to sin)= being regrafted again.
I still dont know how you and a lot of other people thought Christ sacrifice on the cross gives u a license to keep on living in sin.
But then i guess u guys were just comforting yourself from guilt and shame by lying to yourselves. The thing is guilty and shame in heathy amounts can very good and healthy for you. U are still alive so you can now change uour beliefs to the truth.
Sanctification is the ongoing process. Happens when you're saved throught the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer.
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Sanctification is Jesus not you or your deeds friend. If one doesn’t understand that then it will be hard to understand what God had to do to save us. When we come boldly to God it is because of the risen Christ that is in us not us. He is the Holy one not us it is he who was sanctified by His blood Jesus is the perfect sacrifice and the righteousness of God is the manifestation of Jesus in the believer How? By us believing what He did at the cross for our redemption. The fished work not an ongoing deceptive teaching of devils that think they need to do the work to look good before God. All that is is denying God and His work….
@@brohuggie2978"through the work of the Holy Spirit" I think that part of my comment was very clear.
"Were they even saved in the first place?"
Very relevant point.
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It is for a lot,but there are points in scripture like in Hebrews 6 and 2 peter 2 18-21 that talks about those that were walking in the Spirit and walk away
Scripture talks about both - 'The Tares and the Wheat' (Math. 13:24), as an example of those who never 'believed' but appeared as though they had (in farming wheat, a tare is almost indistinguishable from a wheat shaft. Only at harvest time do they really show themselves).
But, in the 'Parable of the Sower', only the first group didn't receive the word. The rest all received it, even with joy, and began to show some growth. The 'rocky' and 'thorn' soil never continued (abided) to the point of producing fruit (symbolic of falling away).
Those apostates he mentioned were likely all 'believers' in their past but fell away like those two soil types. Were the 10 virgins not all believers awaiting the Lord's return? Yet only 5 made it! That they were all believers is not challenged in the parable. It was their failure to continue in devotion to the things of Jesus that is reflected in their demise.
A 'Tare' never truly believed, so how can they 'fall away'? They never had something that they could fall away from. Only a true believer can fall away. They indeed have something that they can fall away from.
@@chrisbrown8498 Great explanation. Thanks brother.
@@carolineoates5964, thank you for responding back. I have left so many comments at other sites, and so few bother to even respond that I've almost come to the point of 'why' to bother anymore.
May God bless you as you walk with Him.
I believe, as long as we are in a flesh suit, we will have to repent. The old man vs the new man battle goes on. Which one I feed wins. We will always have to tame our tongue and bring our flesh under control. Paul spoke about this struggle in Romans. This is a process as one of the commentors stated here. Thank God, we have the Holy Spirit to convict us, when we miss the mark. I must repent often. I must stay on the vine and learn or mature in this walk of faith. He who began a good work in you, will be faithful to bring it to completion.
What a great answer to change: God gave me a brand new heart and He changed me
Sweetie, you need THC like everybody else thats my GOD Grace, the long long journey to Redemption, you haven't begin to know CHRIST.
When you are born-again, it is simply impossible to undo that. You can't go back to being what you were before. You might try but it is impossible.
Exactly right!
Would that mean there isn't born again believers, that are in a season of back sliding? They get confused with unbelievers but does that mean they don't exist? Third question is, could it be possible the first couple miles of your race have been successful but time and experience may teach something about yourself that expands your understanding of Bible?
@@bryanherman6616 "backsliding" doesn't mean a loss of salvation. All our sin was paid for by the blood of Jesus and once we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit (born again) there is no sin left unforgiven that would cause the Holy Spirit to depart, rendering us "unborn."
I challenge that you read Matthew 25:1-13 The parable of the 10 virgins; Jesus expects us to be prepared for His return! Also read Hebrews 10:26-31 All throughout the Bible warns us to watch and pray! None of us are perfect; but the Bible doesn't teach eternal security...and yes He promises that He would never leave or forsake us, but we can leave Him if our priorities aren't focused on Him! May the Lord our God keep us grounded and steadfast in His love!💯🙏🏾🩸🙌🏾❤️❤️
@@Richard-kf7py Challenge accepted. The oil in the parable mentioned is referring to the Holy Spirit. As born again believers, we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us (as oil in a lamp), thus we are prepared for His return! Hebrews 10:26-31 was directed towards Jews who thought their sin was still forgiven on the day of Atonement upon animal sacrifice. The writer was saying that there is no more sacrifice for sin because Jesus WAS/IS the only sacrifice, hence NO MORE SACRIFICE to be had! You will never know if your "priorities are focused on Him" well enough and the reality is that they never will be on this side of eternity.
No. Salvation is a gift from God. Once you are born again, you can not be un-born. It is a great relief to know that your eternity with God in heaven is not in your own hands. Jesus said He will lose none that the Father has given Him.
Your wrong. If you are born again, and then at some point say "curse God I revoke my salvation." Or basically say that with your actions, you will not make it. Refer to the bridesmaids with the oil lamps. 5 were not ready (born again) when the groom came and they were left outside. Bible.
Right on... thank God for Jesus!🕊️
Agreed about the bridesmaids. There's multiple Scriptures about what sounds like Believers being cast into outer darkness. Or being spit out, etc.
I think there's a difference between being snatched and choosing to follow satan instead of God. And choosing to continue in unrepented sin is choosing to follow satan instead of God.
Well said 😊 and for those that don't believe that, how long is eternal life for ?
@@boobola85samJesus is the author and finisher of our faith... 🙌🕊️
But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Matthew 24:13
That’s referring to those who are living through the tribulation.
Do you even know what the scripture means that you quoted?
@andrewcorso6848, i don’t mean to be rude but that’s a sloppy way of handling scripture and to be fair a lot of people do it. They’ll jump around pulling out a scripture that seems to support their conclusions but the fact is everyone could do that and it would leave us contradicting one another. When reading scripture one is suppose to interpret scripture in light of the rest of the teaching. I’m a dispensationalist myself i don’t believe all scripture is written for all people in all places and all time.
@@whiskeredtuna you are correct. Some scripture and book were written for a certain group.
@@defendingthefaith.7889100% correct. People have no idea how to rightfully divide the Word of God.
Such an important conversation. Each of us needs to examine ourselves. God is faithful. HIS desire is always FOR US. But we can have head knowlege without fully submitting.... and NO ONE BUT GOD can be sure who is in relationship with Him and who is just an acquaintance. Ask yourself who YOU are submitted to ... who are you serving? ... Yourself or your Savior.
Amen!! Very well said!
I think if you're looking for ways to excuse your sin, then you're probably at risk. Also if you have no fear of The Lord, you're probably at risk. These are things that point to you not really knowing Him.
Christ and his THC , Father's WILL read your Bible it's in there.
The Bible doesn’t say we are to ask Jesus in our heart to be saved.
We are to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. Acts 16:31
You're right, Nowhere in the bible does it say we should pray for Jesus to come into our hearts. Being saved through faith, and accepting what Jesus did for us on the cross. There is nothing you can do to earn, or win your salvation. John 1:12 says "Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." Praying, or Baptism will not get you in Heaven. Now, The Bible does say that we are to pray continually to God. This is how we communicate with Him, and that
baptism is the way we show the world that we do accept Christ, so to pray to God for his mercy, and to show us his grace, in my opinion is a great way to start a relationship with the one true God.
Remember what Paul tells us in Romans 14:1-4 "Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge the [a]servant of another? To his own [b]master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."
If someone believes that if they say a prayer, and are true in heart, then they will be saved, and we shouldn't criticize them for it. They probably didn't know how to get to God before that time in their life.
Romans 10:9-10 "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. "
About what you said on following up after salvation, discipleship…I’ve been saying this for years! Thank you for talking about all of this!
If u could lose your salvation, U would. If u believe that u can lose your salvation, then u have to believe that u are the one keeping it and thats just not the case....
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Exactly. How arrogant it is for a person to think they are the one keeping their self saved. If they are trusting in their self, then they may not even be saved.
@@austinp1998 the opposite is true. How godless it is to think "once saved always saved". Cause God never forces us to follow him, and so it is not God, but it is alone you and me who decide we go to heaven or not. It is the same with our decision for Jesus: we alone decide to want that, not God. God offers this decision and we, you and me, we decide. Other wise all people in this word would reach the kingdom of heaven. But only maybe 5 % do. Why? Cause its not God who force us, to go there. If God does all, than all would go to heaven. Every child sees, that this cannot be true. God gave us a free will, and it is ours, and ours alone, who decide where we will go.
The other side is, that no one ever can say: I got saved cause I did so good things in my life, cause I decided to follow Jesus, ........Cause God can show you for one good deed you do 1000 sins you also committed. So at the end, it is grace if you reach the heaven. So nobody ever can be proud of how "good" he was. But this two sides are the sides of the truth, and it is totally wrong to take only the right or the left side as true. Both sides are true.
Yes!!! I believe that also.
It will be an army of Christ-Centered believers calling back the fallen
Amen... "Salvation" is very different than having Him as Lord! That's what today's church needs to come to terms with...
How do you define salvation in the context of the gospel message?
So you say some colorful statement but don't take us to Bible verses to back up your huge claim. What is the huge difference, Bible scholar, between Salvation and having Jesus as Lord? I won't get a response because your claim isn't supported by what CHRISTIANS get their faith from, that is the Bible.
JOHN chapter 17:3 says, "This is eternal life (salvation), that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent".
Now we read Jesus telling us to KNOW the one True God and Jesus is salvation. You may say one leads to the other but you do a word search on KNOW used in that verse and it isn't an intellectual knowledge but a relational knowledge of being one with the Father and Son. How can you be one and Jesus says in Bible the evidence of that is me bring Lord of your life. Just as Jesus was submitted to His Father on earth and did whatever He said Jesus in turn says if your one with me and Father (saved) you) u will no longer speak or do without leading. You can't say your saved and go on with life saying He doesn't need to be Lord. This was never taught by Jesus.
There is a great difference at salvation its totally Jesus's work and not any efforts from man but for the sake of lord its when man fully submits their entire body and soul for Christ's use
@@ChristineTX_How do you define salvation in the context of the gospel message?_
Why don't we allow the Lord and Savior Himself answer that question,
this is how Jesus defines 'salvation'
[ Matthew 24:13 ]
But he who endures to the end *shall be saved.*
There it is.. if we can endure to the end, we shall receive salvation,
if we fall away and fail to endure to the end, we will not receive salvation,
this is how the Bible defines 'salvation' in the context of Christ's Gospel message.
@@Avenlane so we do it and Jesus does not
If you had a true conversion and the holy spirit is living in you theirs no way you can be unsaved. That means the holy spirit will leave you. Can't happen. So if you are truly saved you cannot loose your salvation.
“But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do. For it is written: be holy because I am holy. “ 1 Pet. 1:15-16
Are you Holy? Have you found the key to the wardrobe?
Some can walk away out of choice, we have a free will and the Holy Spirit will not force us to surrender!
True.
Not quite true. He owns us once He has saved us. Being united with Him in love, we are incapable of walking away of our will. This is the main question 1 John resolves.
@@user-pc9cc9gd9i John 6:66
@@user-pc9cc9gd9i God did not make us robots but gave us free will to walk with Him or not to walk with Him, this way we can prove our love for Him!
@@user-pc9cc9gd9i man still has a free will.
Jesus said that no one comes to me unless the Father draws him and in no way will I cast him out. Repentance is metanoia meaning change of mind. When a person is convicted of his sins and sees God’s forgiveness he changes his mind about God, repents and is baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and receives the Holy Spirit.
Repentance is regretting and turning away from sin.
It’s a change of mind from unbelief to believing the gospel
hey bud, you state
"Jesus said that no one comes to me unless the Father draws him and in no way will I cast him out."
but you left out,
Jesus speaking, "if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me".
Who does God call to receive salvation?
I believe Jesus died for all not some.
I believe that God desires that all should come to repentance.
I believe its was God who wants all people to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I believe Jesus gave himself as a ransom for all.
I believe it was God who said that no man should perish.
2 Thess 2:9, The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The condition "refused to love the truth and took pleasure in unrighteousness".
The response "they are condemned, not saved".
@@ChristineTX Please read revelation 2, coz it's quite close to where we're living right now.
I was not raised in church, and I accepted Jesus in 2021 at 50 years old.
I wasnt around church before 2021, but it seems like theres been a "ticket to Heaven" mentality going on. Get Saved, get your ticket to Heaven, go on with your life.
This is a very important teaching. Ill go watch the full video that you linked to in another comment.
Thank You Lord for having Your Hand on clearing up teachings in Your Church!! It is a season for this, and I am thinking this may also be part of the great apostasy, because as the teachings are corrected many will be offended.
No SIR nothing is free
Fair point, well made.
Reading through the comments, sounds like it brought more confusion than clarity for most people. This is the kind of thing that can really keep believers wandering in the wilderness.
@@ChristineTX There's a link in the comments to the full teaching FYI
@@JesusFreak4Ever just more of the same
Philippians 2:12
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
And Revelations 2
Amen! Its us who has to work it! But no one can be proud to do good things. Like a coin has two sides. When you´re obeying God than you can praise him that He was giving you the grace to do it. When you dont obey Him than you have to ask whether your faith is real you must proove yourself
The righteous (which there are !!!) get: "Well done, good and faithful servant." And bound into forever like little children. And some of us will be in tears and with a broken heart, as Jesus says" My blood is sufficient." And we will helped up and join the righteous as little children experiencing the joy of forgiveness and family.
When I surrendered my life to Christ on April 22, 1973, not only did I give Him my heart, but I surrendered to His Lordship, by changing my mind about the way I was living and knew it was bad and wrong, now I choose His way of Life for me. I changed from inside out, and it was instantaneously, because Holy Spirit was performing all the Sanctification and transformation... And I never went back to heroin, cocaine, alcohol addictions...
You really need to know the Bible.
@@lifelinesoutreachWhat are you talking about. He hasn’t said anything wrong. My question to you is what bible are you not reading. Jesus didn’t die to make you judge.
@@SachelleCambria 1 Corinthians 5:12
English Standard Version
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church[a] whom you are to judge?
@@SachelleCambria I think you need to know the Bible before you speak.
I appreciate these thoughts. Still a tricky topic for me. My husband, who was also my best friend, walked away from God (and all of us as a family) when we went through extreme pressure. He did have a deep and living grasp of repentance and lordship, but the thorns, “The worries of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth”, overwhelmed him.
Still, God has told us not to give up prayer for him. I am encouraged by your words about another chapter 🙏🏾♥️
Would you say he wasn’t saved than?
Sorry for your loss x
Thank you 🙏@JC-du6sn
@@carly-0-7 No. He was saved, LOVED Jesus, moved in love and the gifts, had amazing wisdom... We also were in sync when the Spirit came into the room. If everyone fell down laughing, we'd be the two crying, and at the same split second, we'd laugh and they'd cry. He was abandoned at 6 months and a younger Christian than me, so some kind of deep wound got hit in the pressure cooker of 2 difficult years (and THEN, we lost everything!) Some kind of despair took him down. Obviously, this has challenged me. Years have passed now, but we keep praying as we live our lives.
I'm so sorry for the effects of this on your family. But what the enemy meant for evil, Our God will turn for Good because He IS The Redeemer. Please pray this over your children.
This reminds me of the parable of the seeds: and the seed that landed and appeared to sprout but the roots didn't grow deep so at the first storm it was washed away.
While the outcome belongs to The Lord, it is still possible your husband (ex?) might return to The Lord. Pray as The Holy Spirit leads.
May God make His Face Shine upon you, sister.
Understand your pain, my wife of nearly 40 years has walked away.
There is no controversy. If you turn your back on God and fall back into unrepentent sin, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you are backslidden and hoping becuase once upon a time you accepted Jesus and cared about God that your gunna be saved. You are playing with fire.
Truth
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
To even be in the book of life You have to saved/born again. And the word says God can take out Your name, which means You are not longer saved. Repent or perish.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Philipians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Agreed. Please see my two replies here - one is about repentance and the other is about 'once saved always saved'.
Salvation is a free gift,it cannot be earned. John Bevere has always been pharisaical and legalistic. That kind of fear works based message tormented me for years until I learned the true gospel of grace. Then I fell in love with Jesus and everything dramatically changed.
If you love Me you will obey my commands John 14:15
Ephesians 2:10 we are created by God to do good works
Hereby we do know Him if we keep His commandments 1 John 2:3-4
Titus 2:11-14
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Hyper grace theology is enmity against The Word of God
I believe we are saved when we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior with repentance. Our ongoing work is to become like Him. We are made in His image but the likeness takes a lifetime.
Love this❤
Rubbish. You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 man made protestant CULTS. There’s NO salvation outside the holy Catholic Church because it’s the ONLY CHURCH. The Bible is a Catholic book the protestant Bible is an incomplete and corrupted Catholic book which I’d rip up. Paul said salvation is an ongoing process so you’re going against sacred scripture and that’s blasphemy.
Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live!”
A much needed conversation!
Amen. Especially in the time we are living! I don't wanna miss it. I'm fearful of that!
Thank you for this message. GOD bless you. Yes repentance is crucial.
How can you lose something so precious and priceless by sin? If you question this, you might not be even saved.
The follow up to the moment of salvation that the bevere's are talking about is completely different than the "once saved, always saved" topic.
It seems like what they are saying is, what happens post moment of salvation is more important than the salvation itself. Because if it is then it becomes about works and is no longer grace based. And now we are constantly working for approval, to maintain our salvation or even not lose our salvation.
Which now brings up so many other issues and questions: what is a "good work?" How many "good works" do we need to get our tickets to heaven, a simple majority or around 90%
Its more than problematic.
scripture is clear. Read the whole bible , each book in context. Yes you can lose your salvation.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
@@klausmkl so where are you now? Have you lost your salvation and are in the process of regaining it? Or have you regained it? What sins did you commit to lose your salvation and what good works did you perform to regain it? And how do you know where you stand?
I guess my name written in the book of life is written with a pencil, bc Jesus is constantly erasing it?
And what happens if you die today, having lost your salvation but you are so close to getting it back? Tough luck?
@@klausmkl technically, we cannot lose what God has purchased and made available to anyone who believes? I don’t even like the question once saved, always saved? How about, once we have believed and received Gods gift of eternal life, can we, through bitterness, doubt and unbelief choose to sever that relationship? In other words, do we lose the capacity to choose, once we choose? Or perhaps we never choose at all? But are coerced through predestination, and election?
@@klausmklhow many times in the past week have you lost your salvation? The scripture you quoted has nothing to do with losing salvation salvation. 🤦🏻♂️
I was a prodigal child , even though I walked with Jesus for 1 years 2014 -2015. And I saw the transformation . I difted away. It took a decade for me to come back to Jesus . I know it if I would’ve died in my Sin I would’ve have gone to Hell . Period . But by the Grace of God I was spared and now I am back on track reading my Bible ,Praying everyday . Not will fully sinning . Everyone’s journey is different . But if you die in willful sin meaning rebellion . You will be separated from God . I believe that . I say 1 thing to you friends . Don’t gamble with your salvation
Glad you're speaking about this because there's a pretty intractible heresy going around ("free grace" theology) that's teaching people that they not only don't have to foresake their sins, but that doing so constitutes a "work" and violates God's promise of the gift of salvation being "free". I'm happy to see that there are still Godly folks teaching righteousness in this crooked world.
These godly folks teaching righteousness is mentioned in
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
'For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.'
read Jonah 3:10 God views "turning from sin" a work
'And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.'
@WilsonGasmido There's actually a lot to unpack here, but I want to start with this idea of "works" first. You say that turning from sin is a "work", yet do you know what else is a "work"? Sin is a work. You might recall God's word says that:
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy,d drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." - Galatians 5:19-21
What I mean is that every action you take is in service to someone: either God or Satan. When we sin, this is a service to the devil. God's word says that:
"Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." - 1 John 3:8
"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience." - Ephesians 2:1-2
"By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." - 1 John 3:10
Now when you're a worker, a worker earns a wage and Paul writes to us that:
"The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 6:23
Moreover Paul also writes that:
"If you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." - Romans 8:13
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?" - Romans 6:1-2
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness." - Romans 6:12-13
Jesus said that:
"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other." - Matthew 6:24
and also that:
"Everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin." - John 8:34
While Paul similarly states that:
"Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness." - Romans 6:16-18
You quoted 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 implying that these 2 teachers of righteousness are agents of the enemy, when in actual fact its those who encourage our brothers and sister to remain in a life of bondage to sin that are the "tares amongst the wheat". The book of Jude records that:
"For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed-ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." - Jude 1:4
And again Paul similarly writes that:
"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." - 2 Peter 2:1-3
"The time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions." - 2 Timothy 4:3
God's purpose in sending His Son Jesus wasn't only to save His people from the penalty of sin, but also to free us from its power as well. You might recall Jesus said that God had sent Him to "proclaim liberty to the captives" (Luke 4:18). He's speaking of freeing men [women] from the slavery of sin and (by His Spirit) empowering/guiding us to live righteous lives that please Him.
It's true that we are "saved by grace through faith" and that "this is not of ourselves, but a gift from God" (Ephesians 2:8), but if you literally just keep reading God's word also says that:
"We are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life." - Ephesians 2:10
So in this way, our good works alone cannot save us, but when we are saved (that is when we have surrendered our lives to follow Jesus and turn from our wicked ways and receive His Spirit), his Spirit changes our hearts to align our desires with the Father's will for our lives (which never includes sin). The reason the good works that we now walk in we can take no credit for is because it is God working within us, "to will and to work for His good pleasure" [Philippians 2:13] (and not a labor of our own human effort).
Lastly, Jesus said:
"If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." - Matthew 16:24
So "present your body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship," (Romans 12:1) and "put to death therefore what is earthly in you." (Colossians 3:5).
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
@johntrevett2944 'What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?" - Romans 6:1-2
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." - Romans 6:12-14
"What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness." - Romans 6:15-18
"Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." - 1 John 3:8-10
@@Cinnjerm24Galatians explains how we’re right with God.
Psalms 51:11
“Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.”
God doesn't give a gift and take it back. If you choose to turn away from your faith, or if you never really loved the Lord, was just going through the motions, or whatever the case maybe. Then you can end up in hell if you don't choose to come to yourself and repent before it is to late. God let us know that in the Bible not all that say Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Well Sister, If a True Believer accepted the Gift Salvation in full hearted faith, then that Gift is not going. the devil may put doubt in the heart if the a true believer but That Seal of Holy Spirit of Promises Remains until the Day if Redemption.
Romans 8: 1, 9-11 kjv
1st There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Ephesians 1:10-14 kjv
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 2:8,9 kjv
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
Not so…Phillipians 2: 12-14 “12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
14 Do all things without [d]complaining and disputing,[e] 15 that you may become blameless and [f]harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.”
Hebrews 3:6 “6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope [a]firm to the end.”
Mat 10:22 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.”
Mat 24:13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.”
Mark 13:13 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.”
2 Timothy 4: 3/4 “3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.”
James 1:12 “Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.”
Revelation 3:5 “5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”
@@zechariah1398 You have the spirit of truth. Most Christians have been deceived by false doctrine. Read the TRIBULATION GUIDE and learn the truth. G.B.
@zechariah1398 NONE of the scriptures you cited are contrary to the bedrock truth of eternal security once a person is saved.
Christianity is not a spectator faith. It is a very active life where one submits to God and yields to the power of the Holy Spirit to be Christ in, through, with and by each person who is eternally saved by Him.
Stop confusing the earmarks of the Christian life in Christ, with works necessary to maintain our position with God or risk eviction from His family.
Maybe you would eliminate your children from your family for failing somehow, but God the Father would NEVER kick a son or daughter out of His family.
@@ralphey8189 what part of…”he who endures to the end shall be saved.” do you not understand? Scripture says what it says. If you disagree with it’s teachings maybe you should examine the religion you are following. Mormon maybe…or JW…or…
I excepted Jesus a long time ago but i still live in sin. Is something wrong with me? Did the holy Spirit not change the old me? Now with that said i sin and feel terrible and i try and try but im tempted and fall again. So what do i do?
If you are truly born again, you have the Holy Spirit in you. Your soul hasn’t changed and you need to renew your mind. Romans 12:2 do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God‘s will is - his good, pleasing, and perfect will. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide and don’t give up.
@@SachelleCambria thank you! 🙏🏻
I totally agree with you. True Repentance is the first step to actual salvation.
Amen 👏👏👏
and: who is saved, will, If God wants, repent his whole life long.
I like the analogy of marriage.
I have been married 15years and I keep tell single young people, “ when you get married, what you knew while single will not apply to your marriage. You have put on learning glasses to learn everything fresh.”
You can not lose your salvation. If you could that would mean you did something to earn it. If that were the case then the entire premise of the Christian faith would be lost. This will be argued from every possible angle and theological position known to man, but it will never change what Christ did on the Cross for all who call on His name. Christ holds us, not the other way around.
Nonsense
nobody can earn it, but also everyone can loose it. This is bible. It´s like a coin has two sides, not one. Or a small way you can go right or left but you must stay in the middle.
“Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.”
Philippians 2:12-13 NIV
Don’t try to hide your sin …
Genuine Christians will never lose their salvation. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Some Christians can really screw up in life and if they don’t shape up they will lose rewards, but never eternal life.
Rubbish. Only Catholic’s go to Heaven because there’s NO division in paradise. You belong to a man made protestant CULT and will lose your immortal soul if you carry on down your heretical protestant path. There’s ONLY ONE CHURCH
So Jesus thought that whoever believes in Him will not perish ( meaning not die and not going to hell) but have EVERLASTING life ( John 3:16). How can we lose life to be everlasting when it lasts forever? Also, Jesus said you will not perish or not die, which spiritually is death in Hell. Are we supposed to ignore what Jesus has said? Now that is crazy to me.
1 John 2:19, “These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.” NLT
The passage you refer to is about antiChrists - people who emerge who are public opponents of the truth - the passage you refer to does not relate to people who while living in a saved state used their freedom to turn away from God.
Yes, and everybody thought in the beginning that they were saved. But they were not. Only cause you go to church or call Jesus Lord you are not saved. Obediance and the right good fruit is, what salvation shows.
Both sides can be debated with scripture.
One point - If many saints in the last days fall away, then they had to be saved in the first place otherwise they have not fallen away from anything.
Good point . I never thought of that before. Thank you ✝️
It's not "once saved, always saved". It's just "always saved". Ephesians 1:4 - "... even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world"
If saved, always saved 😊
.... but who is saved, nobody knows. Thats the point. Only cause we go to church, we must not be saved. Obediance and the right fruit shows, whether a person is saved or not. Words counts nothing, God is not interested in words
Matthew 11:21
“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that occurred in you had occurred in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Great dialogue! Lisa, I really liked/appreciated how you broke down what can qualify as an "idol".
Yrs because When Jesus prayed for diciplined ones he prayed that Their FAITH wouldn't fsil, and He spoke and Said He who rndures until the end shall be saved. And Said who will i find with faith on my return
This was a very good discussion but did it cut short?
It was half of the episode! If interested, you can watch the full episode by clicking here: ruclips.net/video/12Wq7BOdMtE/видео.html
When you lose you mind , and it's SELF-inflected, you lose your Salvation
SO JESUS CHRIST WILL,, UN .REDEEMHIS CHILDREN ? YOU NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT CALLING JESUS CHRIST A LIAR IN JOHN CH 3 VS 16 , ITS CALLED THE GOOD NEWS 4 A REASON,WHEN U R REDEEMED 4 EVER IS FOR EVER
Free will does not go away once you are saved. You make the choice, as required by God, to choose Him, and you are born again. But you still have free will to un-choose. That is the unforgivable sin, to be born again and filled with the goodness and presence of the Holy Spirit and then to say I hate you and don’t want you anymore. Sin doesn’t make you lose your salvation. As long as you believe, nothing can take you from His hand, but your free will choice to walk away most definitely can.
Repentance - Never heard of today but a pre-requisite still. Thanks for emphasis on this!!
Once saved always saved is UNBIBLICAL
In the Words of our King Jesus Christ “My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 CSB
SO IS BEING ,,,,UN ,,, REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST BIBLICAL OR POSSIBLE BY JESUS CHRIST HIM SELF ? OSAS IS VERY TRUE,
Yes, it is.
Osas is a false doctrine.
1st Timothy Chp 4.
@@netzexperte1488
God gave us free gift of grace and free will.
John Chp 15 verses 1-8.
Something we always get wrong is that we think we were God’s enemies. Let’s see what Paul says “Colossians 1:21 “And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your (MIND) by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight- The things that separated us from God is the way we thought towards God. We were never God’s enemies, never. The Father doesn’t look at his creation and 24hr in a day looks upon them as his enemies.
In the name of Jesus just quit with that unscriptural nonsense! Why? Because for one, if folks listen to it you’ll incur judgement unless you repent for misleading them! Yes, that’s what I said so please read it again and let it soak in. Repent for your careless words of man that fall to the ground. Surely you’ve read John 3:16 but have you bothered to read to the end of the chapter? Who is God’s enemy if it isn’t the one His wrath remains on for not obeying His Son? (Before receiving Christ) the Bible says we were “children of wrath.” Outside of Christ we were in the kingdom of darkness and who was our king then? It sure wasn’t the Lord! So if it wasn’t do you think He was our friend then?! No, we were absolutely enemies because of the original sin we are born with. Thanks be to God, though, that because of His great love, mercy and grace, His children have been redeemed. We’re bought by the blood of Jesus who saved us out of that old dark kingdom and has brought us into His marvelous kingdom of light! We worship the King of Kings! His grace is amazing and only now in Christ do we have the privilege of being friends with Him. So be humble and ask for godly sorrow to genuinely repent before God. And quit thinking you can speak for Him! We already have His word and it’s sufficient. Know this. His mercy is great and His grace is amazing! But neither will He share with His enemies who refuse to bow the knee and kiss the Son! Jesus is Lord! 🙏
I fully agree with you from my own experience + working out our salvation = it's a continuous working of me + our Holy Spirits power threw His word....meditating on His word prevents us from doing things our way.... Hope I make sense..... Definitely not a one time thing & from my experience they are just as mean as they were before repentance.... 😊
Yes - see my two replies here - one about repentance - and the other about 'once saved always saved'.
You’re referencing a works based salvation. There is nothing you can do to keep yourself saved, only God can do that by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit when we are born again. We are then sealed until the day of redemption. People can be quite mean when they don’t truly understand the gospel. They’ll always wonder where they stand with the Lord because they can’t ever do enough. Our good deeds are like filthy rags. It’s only when we rest in the finished work of Jesus that we will have full assurance of our salvation. It’s eternal.
@@ChristineTX Hello Christine,
Continuing to place one's faith in God is not a work.
The following two bible passages prove that it is not.
Firstly Romans 5:2 ESV
Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
The verse above shows that instead of our faith being a result of receiving God's grace - we only access God's grace THROUGH faith. This continues during the Christian life - while God's grace helps to keep us in the faith - it is also true that we will need to exercise faith (which is not a work) to remain covered by God's grace.
The verses below show the same - that instead of our continuing to have faith being the result of receiving God's grace - it's the opposite - our continuing to be covered by God's grace depends on our doing something which isn't a work - namely placing our faith in God.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
@@ChristineTX What you're referring to is the initial step to salvation. There is a long journey ahead when coming into sanctification.
Philippians 2:12: work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Revelations 2:5: Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
All the promises in
John 6:27
Psalm 37:28
John 6:37-39
and so on... are for the saints, as an encouragement to keep the faith and race running.
Preservation of the Saints:
Psalm 37:28
Psalms 121:4-8
Isaiah 43:13 (Job 10:7)
Isaiah 54:8
Jeremiah 31:3
Jeremiah 32:40
Romans 8:35-39
John 6:27
John 6:37-39
John 10:28-29
John 17:12
Matthew 24:35 (John 5:25)
2nd Timothy 4:18
1st Peter 1:4-5
And 1 Cor 1:8
@@brondarch2450 And these two: Philippians 1:6-“Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:”
Philippians 2:13-“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Read revelations 2. If you're talking about the end times which is now, this is the most clear sign
@@johnong2655 Revelation chapter 2 is Christ’s instructions and exhortations to the seven churches of Asia. None of these exist anymore but their mistakes are an example of modern churches to follow as to not backslide into error.
@@treystevenson9872 To assert your claim, none of the other churches in the other books of the bible remained.
Meaning you can't just simply remove 1 book from the bible if it isn't relevant to todays situation. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12)
Before salvation we have to count how much it's going to cost us, like building a house.
What is the meaning of apostacy?
What about Demas who went on missions with paul and left?
What is the meaning of "whoever puts his hand to the plough and turns back'
I dont know if Pastor John answered the question
I understand there's to many scriptures I would have you hot or cold but lukewarm I'll spew you out. What's that referring too what about the fruit if it's not producing it he would hewn it down. Some will depart from the faith from doctrines of devils. If take away from the book I'll blot you name out. If you add anything I'll add to your plagues of life.
SPOILER ALERT: Hebrews 10:26 answers the question straight to your face. The Bible is NOT beating around the bush. Beware of anyone who Does!
Basically. Not sure how more straight forward it could possibly be.
You don’t understand the context of this passage. It was directed towards Jews who thought their sin was still forgiven on the day of Atonement upon animal sacrifice. The writer was saying that there is no more sacrifice for sin because Jesus WAS/IS the only sacrifice, hence NO MORE SACRIFICE to be had!
@ChristineTX So what about:
"For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." - Romans 8:13
""I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." - Jude 1
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness." - 1 Peter 2:24
"Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God." - 1 Peter 2:16
"Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation." - 1 Peter 2:11-12
"Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” - 1 Peter 1:13-16
"Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does." - 1 Peter 4:1-6
"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." - 1 John 3:9-10
"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." - Galatians 5:16
"For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works." - Titus 2:11-14
"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." - Ephesians 2:1-3
"Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls." - James 1:21
"Abstain from every form of evil." - 1 Thessalonians 5:22
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life." - Galatians 6:8
"Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin." - John 8:34
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace." - Romans 6:12-14
"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." - Galatians 5:19-21
"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." - Romans 8:9
"And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." - Galatians 5:24
"So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." - Romans 6:11
"Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry." - Colossians 3:5
"To put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness." - Ephesians 4:22-24
"We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin." - Romans 6:6
@@ChristineTX what you say is Dispensationalist heresy. The book of Hebrews is about Christ and is written concerning all Christians' doctrines.
100% correct. You can always tell the people who do not know how to rightfully divide or actually know how to study the Bible. This scripture is so taken out of context and you are 100% right this was written to the Jews and had absolutely nothing to do with their salvation.
The Bible asks us to examine ourselves and see if we are in faith. That is something every proclaimed Christian should do..
and what does that mean ? to see if you are sinning or are you trusting in what Jesus did on the cross and trusting in his grace. Paul already said if you have this hope in you purifiy yourself
Yes and it shows how to test whether we are in faith (saved) or not.
Totally believe we can lose our salvation...Free will still exists in heaven. This is in the knowledge that my own wife of nearly 40 years has fallen away and now doesn't believe (yes she did speak in tongues etc). I pray for her and others in my family who did now don't follow Jesus. We choose our destiny, it is less a matter of sin (still a problem, to be sure) more a matter of choice.
Most do not know what you taught, its 100% true! One must be born again of spirit to be really saved, then take up their cross daily confessing when failing! Then we have an advocate, when one’s humble and repentant!
Bro robert
Yes you can lose your salvation and OSAs is a false doctrine
Agreed - please see my two main posts here - one is on repentance - and the other is on 'once saved always saved' - which is not correct doctrine - I present four bible passages which show that it cannot be.
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I fell from grace and He left me. I beg Him to come back 😭😭😭😭😭
Hebrews 10:26-27 is pretty clear... There's so many others... The once saved always saved doctrine/theology is leading millions to hell.
Agreed. Please see my two main posts here - one of which is on repentance - and the other is about 'once saved always saved' - which is not correct doctrine - in which I list four passages (yours being one) which show that people have the freedom to turn from their state of right relationship with God to live out a pattern of free, knowing, and wilful sin.
You don’t understand the context of those passages
@@ChristineTX lol help me misunderstand it. The context is pretty clear.
It was directed towards Jews who thought their sin was still forgiven on the day of Atonement upon animal sacrifice. The writer was saying that there is no more sacrifice for sin because Jesus WAS/IS the only sacrifice, hence NO MORE SACRIFICE to be had!
@@ChristineTX correct in that the entire chapter is talking about Jesus being the sacrifice so if after learning and receiving that truth, if they willfully sin that sacrifice - Jesus' sacrifice which is much more costly than that of an animal - no longer remains for them. Heb. 6:6. This wasn't a message to Jews alone. Romans 2:28-29
Simple answer yes
This whole notion of the great falling away hangs on that one verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, and the interpretation of that verse all hangs on the interpretation of that Greek word apostasia which can be interpreted 2 ways: as a spiritual departure or a physical departure. Given the end-time context of this chapter, some commentators such as Dr Andy Woods have theorised that the apostasia actually refers to the rapture, which is a physical departure from the earth by the church which will happen at some point during the end times. Unfortunately, the word apostasia has now been transliterated into the English language with a meaning of spiritual departure attached to it, ever since the King James Version translators interpreted it that way, so most people just assume apostasy is a falling away from the faith, and have no idea that it could also refer to the rapture.
Yes, thank you. This resonates as true with me.
the title has the totally wrong question. The question is not whether a born again christian can loose his salvation (he can not) , but the question is: who is a born again christian, or: how do you recognize who is a born again christian. Cause not all who say "lord, lord" will enter in the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of the father.
Yes! He says depart from Me, I NEVER KNEW YOU. You who practice LAWLESSNESS.
....... If we cast His Law behind us, it is casting God's WORD, Jesus, away. We can't follow a perfectly obedient Savior by being disobedient!
@@ShuwshanEmeq-xb3mk exactly. Thats what the bible tells us.
Every time i think i have given God everything something new is revealed it will take a lifetime as I work out my salvation as the Bible says . It is becoming more sanctified ,
Can you be unborn when born again? No. It’s once saved always saved.
What does it mean if you’re convicted by Hebrews 6? I said the sinners prayer over 20 years ago and had a very scary jolting experience a couple of weeks later.. Ever since then, I’ve gone through seasons of fear that I’ve committed the unforgivable sin.
Absolutely not! You cannot loose your salvation. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:28
What part of “never perish” do we not understand? Remember there are false believers (the goats) true believes remain by God’s power to keep them to the end.
So where did it go for the millions of those who said they were saved years ago and now have either deconstructed or converted out of Christianity? Your next post will say “they never were truly saved” to which i will say, they said they were just like the rest of you guys “say’ you are now. 🤷🏽♂
@@srich7503it’s pretty arrogant to think you can keep your salvation. Thankfully you don’t have that responsibility and God will never let you go.
What about all the people that USED to believe they were OSAS and now have deconstructed. Did they just sell it?
😂 good point
“The Gnostics misuse the scriptures. They essentially destroy the doctrine of freewill by
introducing the theory of ruined natures that are incapable of salvation. They have also
introduced the doctrine that they are saved in such a way that they can never be lost!”
- Origen (225 AD)
Well explained and I Agree I just had this discussion with my husband and said some of the same.Nice to hear it discussed by you two thanks for sharing.
Amen Brother true repentance comes at a cost when the Holy Spirit baptism. Will lead us into the wilderness to kill the works of the Flesh in us and sanctify us and there will be a change in who we are and where we are heading we have entered the narrow gate and new path of life .
It depends on who does the saving. If a person is saved by God's free and sovereign grace in, by, and through the Lord Jesus Christ, they can never lose their salvation. If a person accepted Jesus as their personal savior, or walked an aisle, or made a decision, or exercised their will to allow God to save them, then they were never actually saved to begin with, and the question is moot.
I always get sick of that response sir. My Baptist dad use to say that. That if they fall away they were not saved in the first place. You might as well say : If you commit a sin or give into temptation you were never saved in the first place. God never takes over people's free wills. The devil would never tempt, attack, and wreck Christians lives if he thought he was powerless to do so. Jesus said He that endures unto the end shall be saved. Paul taught: we were saved, we are being saved, and we shall be saved. Robert Shank was a Baptist pastor who understood and wrote a book on it called "Life In The Son". Every epistle Paul wrote he let you know salvation was conditional upon you staying in the faith. I could write a whole book on the scriptures there are showing you have to abide, and continue, and remain, and keep the faith, etc. to stay saved so to speak. You still have a choice after you get saved to continue and grow and keep the faith and die to self and fear the Lord. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Why teach Christians to fear the Lord if it doesn't matter for their salvation. The Bible is full of ifs. And paul the so called grace preacher was non compromising and full of ifs. If you continue in the faith.
So, can a believer become an unbeliever and still be saved? In Heb 3:12 it says, " Have an evil and unbelieving heart, falling away from the living God", so can I have a evil and unbelieving heart, fall away from God, and still be saved?
In 1 Timothy 4:1 it says, " Some will DEPART FROM THE FAITH.....GIVING HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS", so, will you still be saved if you depart form the faith and give heed to doctrine of demons?
Gal 5:4 says that some were " Severed from Christ.....and fallen from grace", so will you still be saved if you have been severed from Christ and fallen from grace? Can I walk in darkness? walk after the flesh? disobey the Lord's commands? and still be saved?
I believe in the security of the believer, but what about the fellow who no longer believes? who walks in darkness, lies and does not live according to the truth? 1John1:6.....you believe he is still saved?
Unbelievers believe in themselves (works righteousness) .
Believers believer like Paul :
"as a pattern of them who would believe in Him FOR eternal life".
Everlasting is eternal = never ending , by definition .
Apart from all behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians .
The Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life cannot be earned , Merited , or DESERVED ...
Can't Earn Grace .
Can't DESERVE to enter His Kingdom by means of one's Perseverance in Performance (works) till death .
That's what the Judaizers/ unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23 taught , as they rejected His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , in favor of their Filthy Rags righteousness attempts to "come in some other way" by means of self idolatrous righteousness .
@@soljos1190 And? as always you didn't answer what I said.
So, according to soljos, if you walk in the light, walk after the Spirit or obey the Lord's commands, you are an UNBELIEVER AND YOU BELIEVE IN YOURSELF!!! But if you walk in darkness, after the flesh and disobey the Lord's commands, you are a true believer and are saved.
@@DannyLoyd
I'm ONLY an "unbeliever" in that which is Objectively EXCLUDED as a means of acquiring His PERFECT Righteousness via simple childlike faith in Him FOR it:
John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ...
Totally apart from all behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians .
Gotta be invested with His PERFECT Righteousness that is not a result of one's "Stellar" - but wholly Unknowable and non Quantifiable - behavioral performance (works) till death .
He took away ALL the Payment for all sins ever committed.
Finished it all Himself , fully apart from mere sin-filled humans attempting to Propitiate their own sins , as every works righteousness proponent is in fact attempting to do .
But that is stealing all the Glory and Praise due to Him alone .
Blatant self Idolatry under cover of Christian terminology .
You deny the present and Never ending possession of His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life , and instead posit a 5 Part Performance Contract payable upon death entirely contingent upon one's Perseverance until the Finish Line in "hopefully good enough" works .
Couldn't be a less plausible or more delusional concept in the annals of recorded History .
Straight out of the Judaizer/unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23) Toolbox .
Only a PERFECT 100% for a Lifetime Performance Qualifies .
And ONLY the Christ (Jesus) can lay claim to that Category : the Giver of His Forever Gift of the Kind of Life He alone intrinsically possesses (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .
And you Ain't Jesus , sir .
So , you're insurmountable problem remains : working for (and therefore putting God in Debt to you) a Free and Never Deserving Gift that is completely EXCLUDED as a means of its reception:
Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; Book of Galatians .
You're literally affirming the Unaffirmable, Logically.
Truly on the Top Shelf of the Book Section titled :
"Things That'll Never Happen" ...
I have a question i accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior but im separated now im i cannot get an annulment until now but my partner and i want to get married we are 10 yrs together we have a daughter but i always get denied in my annulment. Since i recieved HIM in my life want to live a life that is pleasing to HIM, but im always bothered coz i know im committing sin. But i want to keep my partner and my daughter.
The great debate that gets nowhere from both sides. Randy Alcorn once said even though he takes the “once saved always saved side” or leans that way, he mentions “how can any side be right or wrong, we don’t have the Book of Life to even determine that anyway.” After I read that and proceeded with the study that stood at me for along time. I no longer even try to debate it but rather live my life to honor and give glory to God in all ways possible. Jesus died so we can live, use your time serving Him. Galatians 1:10
All due respect to my brothers and sisters in Christ, anyone who believes in once-saved-always-saved (OSAS) is not being consistent with their interpretive principles when reading scripture and are not being intellectually honest. The book of Hebrews clearly conveys that an authentic Christian can become apostate, not to mention, other verses that talk about enduring to the end, etc.
If what you say about decanting your life to Christ is accurate .Can you show that in scripture?. The thief on the cross next to our lord did no such thing yet he was saved. It seems to me this is loading works in through the back door. I do works myself although they are not for Salvation. I do hem because I love my Lord and I love my neighbors.. Eph 2:8-9 tells us Salvation is not of works. As does Romans 4:5 both deal with works. What say you?
While your comments are true and valid about some people not really or genuinely having accepting Christ and being discipled, this STILL does not address the controversy of "Once Saved, Always Saved". Your video doesn't address or "clarify" the myth.
I’ve had these types of conversations many times, and I can appreciate the tensions in the text. I do think the better question is, does my life exemplify someone who is perpetually surrendering my wheel to God’s?
That being said, I don’t perceive that this gave a real clear answer to… if someone exemplifies a life that surrenders to an honors God, but even has seasons or struggles (as David did) … can someone who is saved, lose their salvation?
Matthew 13:29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
Only God knows the heart. I think it's important for us to discuss this, to seek clarity, to examine ourselves, and to spur each other on in the faith.
We need to know and teach the Truth and if we see brothers and sisters stumbling, to encourage them. But ultimately God knows what's in our heart.
And a heart indifferent to, or worse that still loves sin, is far from Him.
Completely understand where you're at, as I once struggled with many of these same questions until I did some deep study and sought the Lord for answers. He faithfully revealed through the bible and directly to my heart and mind the full extent of the gospel and what salvation really means for us as believers. I found a lot of that missing from this clip & it’s concerning. When we are made alive (born again) by the Holy Spirit, there is no sin left unforgiven that would cause the Holy Spirit to depart and the bible says that we are sealed until the day of redemption. We can’t be “unborn,” and believers need to know this crucial aspect of salvation. If true transformation has taken place, you’ll never “walk away” because you know you belong to Christ. There is no alternative. Despite our wrong thoughts, actions, dark moments in life, doubts, struggles, etc., the Holy Spirit will never depart from someone who has been made into a new creation by their repentance from dead works to belief in the saving power of the Lord Jesus through His death and resurrection. This is why the bible says we can have confidence and assurance in our salvation, it's the most incredible gift ever.
This is the best answer yet! Plenty of scripture has been taken out of context on this subject. Do yourself a favor and listen to FAR BETTER bible teachers than John B. Most bible scholars will tell you that you CAN NOT lose your salvation. Get a good teacher that will walk you through the scriptures. You will find them in almost every denomination. Chuck Missler, John MacArthur (I am not a Calvinist and John is, but he has excellent teaching on OSAS, Robert Morris, Andrew Farley, Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham, David Jeremiah, and literally thousands more. All different doctrines but they all agree you cannot lose your salvation and they do a 1000 times better job with scripture than JB. Almost no true bible teachers agree with John Bevere he is kind of considered a legalist. @@ChristineTX
Beautifully taught concepts on walking with Christ! Putting all things behind the Lord! Repentance of heart..Christ first!
You folks really have to clarify some things. Once you except Jesus and that you are a sinner, doesn't mean you are going to be this perfect little angel that everybody loves because they feel Jesus flowing through you! Every Christian struggles with sin, so please, those who are now worried from listening to this, whether you saved or not that......stop. The mere fact that you are worried about it tells me your heart is in the right place. May God bless your journey of sanctification!!
Amen thank you john and lisa
I guess my question is what does falling away look like? I know in the past few months my desire for church has really diminished for a variety of reasons, not the church has a body, but the church as a building. my desire for Jesus has actually intensified my prayer life has gotten more fervent. My Bible reading has gotten stronger and my desire to be in the word is also gotten stronger. I hope I’m not being too judge here, but the church and itself in my eyes has turned into too much entertainment, and two theatrical, just my way of seeing it not saying I’m right I’m just saying
"CAN YOU BE SURE OF YOUR SALVATION?"
Written by Marty Breeden
I'm going to share my years of study....and my heart on a very controversial Biblical subject!!
My friends, I grew up in a Pentecostal church, and we got "saved" at least 3 times every week!😅
Seriously though, as I grew older I really grappled with this concept.
So I decided to push aside all of my pre-conceived notions, and to prayerfully research this very serious topic on my own.
Honestly...I was surprised at the final conclusion that I arrived at, after years of study and prayer.
I submit this, my findings for your consideration, written by me, please keep an open mind:
We cannot earn our salvation, in any way.
We bring nothing to the table but a broken and contrite heart.
IT IS A GIFT!
Yes, one that we must accept willingly and of our own choosing.
We can accept it or reject it, it's our "free will" to do either.
If we CANNOT EARN our salvation, and we can't, then how can we ever stay "good enough" to keep it?
We CAN'T!
Salvation is a gift!! Salvation is called "The gift of God" over 20 times in the New Testament. The Bible tells us that the gifts and callings of God are "without repentence", (Romans 11:29) Meaning they are IRREVOCABLE!
God does not "gift us" with eternal life on the "maintenance plan".
It is all grace forever and Jesus said ALL that the Father has given me, I will not LOSE one of them!
Jesus said in John 6:39: He is the "Good Shepherd",and no good shepherd loses a single sheep.
Jesus said "ALL that the Father has given me, I LOSE NONE!"
Now admittedly there is a HUGE difference between those who are truly converted and those who are falsely converted.
I have studied this issue for MANY years and am convinced of the eternal security of the true believer!!
Another point would be this, Jesus told Nicodemas ; "That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6)
When you have a child born "of your flesh" there is nothing that child can EVER do to NOT BE YOUR CHILD!
It's absolutely impossible to ever undue that which has been done in the flesh!
That child may disappoint, disobey, walk away, but regardless that child was born of you and nothing can change that, ...NOTHING!
Now, Jesus point is the same concerning that which is "Born of the Spirit".
A truly born again child of God may wander, fall, fail and admittedly "conditionally " be a mess, HOWEVER, "POSITIONALLY" they are secure and "SEALED" as an envelope that can only be opened by Father God! (Ephesians 4:30).
My daughters will FOREVER be my daughters, and I will FOREVER be their Father regardless of what they do...OR do not do!
Can a child ever be "Un-born"?
NO!
The same spiritual dynamic applies here as well. A comparison to the physical.
Some erroneously use Revelation 3:5 to prove that a born again believer can have their names removed from the "Book of Life", but a correct interpretation clearly shows that Jesus said that He would NEVER blot a true believer from the"Book of Life"!
Read:
"The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels."
My friends if "Good works" cannot attain our salvation, then our "Good works" cannot MAINTAIN our salvation!
Conversely, neither can "bad works" lose it either. However, I do believe there to be a COLOSSAL difference between those who profess to be "Born again".. and are Christian in name ONLY!
As compared to those who are truly "Born Again" and truly saved and display the fruits of the Holy Spirit in their lives.
Remember, Jesus said in Matthew 7:22-23:
" Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity!"
Notice Jesus said I NEVER KNEW YOU!
Not "Well, I knew you BUT then,.. you did this, or that, or failed or were fallen, He said I NEVER KNEW you! The truly redeemed are "Sealed unto the day of redemption".
If we suppose that we are given the GIFT of salvation but we have to do SOMETHING/ANYTHING in order to keep it, then we are professing and confessing our very own selves as "Co-redeemers" with Christ!
Because you are implying your salvation is based on you doing or not doing something and this is simply NOT BIBLICAL!
Anyone who thinks however, that this is a license to live in sin and live like hell and the devil is deceived and the truth of Gods Spirit does not dwell within them and I believe Biblically NEVER did have a true encounter with the Living Christ!
What about the thief on the cross?? Did he have time to show people he changed?? NO. Overtime as a Christian your old desires will slowly change by the daily renewing of your mind. But your spirit is PERFECTED the day you make Jesus your Lord & Savior.PERIOD!!
Your are claiming your works of not being selfish is what is making you saved.
I had been "saved" since 8 years old , when I started believing in Christ. BUT, I finally asked Jesus into my heart in 2007...before that I definitely gave an in road for Satan to enter because of some of my choices. I feel I'm "branded" and am in the Lambs book of Life. I think there's a big difference between believing and asking God in your heart.
Oh so many people i grew up with said these exact same words, many still do. But there are thousands that now have either deconstructed or converted to other religions, yet said exactly what you said. So, were they not really branded and they only thought they were OR are they branded and Jesus is simply waiting on them to come back which is another way of saying “they lost their salvation” even if only “temporally”? If the later this is what we call mortal sin…
Salvation Sealed Complete
Bless your heart Bro John.
Eph 1:13-14 “You were SEALED with Holy Spirit of Promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption purchased possession unto the praise of HIS (God’s)Glory!
John 10:28 I give my sheep ETERNAL life and they shall NEVER perish nor shall they be plucked out of my hand, (29) my Father which gave them to me is greater than all , and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
1 Peter 1:5 Kept by the power of God unto Salvation. (I am not kept by my works!)
2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also SEALED us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Rom 8:38-39 Nothing can separate us from the LOVE of God
Eph 4:30 SEALED until until the day of REDEMPTION!!
John 14:16 I will give you another Comforter that abides with you FOREVER
John 3:16 given Everlasting life
Heb 13:5 I’ll never leave you or forsake you
2 Tim 2:12 I know whom I have BELIEVED and am PERSUADED that HE (NOT ME!!) is able to keep that which I committed unto him against that day (day of REDEMPTION).
Eph 2:8-9 You are saved by GRACE (and Paul is clear to add “NOT OF WORKS”!!) so no man can boast
Just a few of a mountain of scriptures on the true believers eternal security.
Amen
Amen brother
I’m not sure why it seem like most of the time I’ve heard this questioned asked why pastors won’t answer this question. The
Bible is clear in several scriptures but I’ll just list this one where Jesus is speaking Rev 3:5.
When you are in a relationship with The Trinity, after being born again, it is IMPOSSIBLE to eat earthly food again and live. A table is set in the midst of your enemies and you are eating of Him they do not know. If you have had a revelation of who Jesus is, you belong to God.
is the guy saying he was not saved when he was a catholic, around 7:00 when his mom was furious that "I got saved because I was raised catholic"???
The best way to learn Christianity is through a traditional church like Catholic or Lutheran. I learned about Jesus and God as an old fashion garden variety, lukewarm Lutheran back in the 50's and 60's. It gave me a moral compass as a child and balance. I had a simple faith in God and no struggles spiritually whatsoever.
Later on, I became a Christian fundamentalist and that is what really opened my eyes up to things. I began to realize that the fundamentalist God is not the God I knew as a child.
Bringing up a child the fanatical fundamentalist way can be mental and spiritually abusive and gives a child a total false world view and can turn one into a judgmental, ignorant little robot slave.