Most Advanced RDS so far? Sig Romeo 9T.

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @was6transam01
    @was6transam01 11 месяцев назад +175

    Only the US Government is stupid enough to pay $4K for a red dot.

    • @secessionnow4133
      @secessionnow4133 11 месяцев назад +21

      Not stupid. Money laundering

    • @iansanchez331
      @iansanchez331 11 месяцев назад +5

      I agree however they definitely pay significantly less that. They buy these things in BULK so they're getting a big discount. For example a commercial P320/M17 costs $700 brand new but the army only pays $176 each

    • @aaronfarnsworth7653
      @aaronfarnsworth7653 11 месяцев назад +2

      End of the year, they have to spend anything they have left over so that they don't get their budget reduced the following year. Doesn't matter what they spend it on. They just have to empty the account.

    • @aaronfarnsworth7653
      @aaronfarnsworth7653 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@iansanchez331 We need a law so retail can be no more than twice .gov cost. It should be same cost. In sheer purchase numbers, the retail market buys more than uncle sugar.

    • @iansanchez331
      @iansanchez331 11 месяцев назад

      @aaronfarnsworth7653 that'd be interesting. They're also probably inflating the retail price so that they don't end up over selling the optics and then not being able to meet production numbers for the contract

  • @eosjoe565
    @eosjoe565 11 месяцев назад +169

    It's a shame Sig chose to go that route price-wise. I'm sure they will sell a few hundred of them. Meanwhile, the other manufacturers will copy the functionality, release reasonably priced units and sell many thousands of them. Thanks Sig.

    • @robertkoonce8365
      @robertkoonce8365 11 месяцев назад +14

      As Mac stated, they designed this primarily for military applications and we all know how much the gooberment loves to spend our money for toys most of us will never be able to afford.

    • @Fadaar
      @Fadaar 11 месяцев назад

      @@robertkoonce8365yeah whenever it's something that's bound for big military contract the civilian market gets the shaft - see also everything Surefire makes

    • @danielgregory7200
      @danielgregory7200 11 месяцев назад +4

      Sig has copied this from other manufacturers. The concept has been out for more that a few years.

    • @jamesgarrison5546
      @jamesgarrison5546 11 месяцев назад +3

      It’s made in America with titanium. That’s why it’s expensive. They designed it for a contract clearly, not for you.
      But like everything else they do for the military, they’ll let you buy it too. Looking at you HK

    • @smasher.338
      @smasher.338 11 месяцев назад +4

      If they intend on it being bought by the military or an agency, it explains the crazy price. They cant charge civilians one price and the govt another, so they just charge the government so much, it makes up for no civilian sales. There are a lot of products and companies like this. Your favorite "seals" kit isnt expensive bc its top of the line, its expensive bc they have a government contract.

  • @superezbz
    @superezbz 11 месяцев назад +564

    Yeah, $4k for a RDS optic is pretty extravagant.

    • @phileas007
      @phileas007 11 месяцев назад +37

      the should call it "sunset crimson 4k reticle advanced collimator instrument" for that price

    • @BackToYa
      @BackToYa 11 месяцев назад +69

      I would say Sig is pricing this to keep it out of civilian hands. Only irresponsible gub'mint spending would pay that much for it. Remember: commi-ism doesn't make it illegal, it makes it so you can't afford it.

    • @superezbz
      @superezbz 11 месяцев назад +22

      @@BackToYa Same reason for the NFA.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 11 месяцев назад +55

      It would need to have integrated LRF, IR Laser, IR illuminator, shake awake, and a camera with Digital imaging superimposed on the screen to justify the price.

    • @borkwoof696
      @borkwoof696 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@BackToYayeah that‘s bs

  • @Dan-b2j
    @Dan-b2j 11 месяцев назад +87

    A piggy back red dot on top of a prism optic can accomplish the same thing at a fraction of the cost and with more capability.
    The piggy back optic is zeroed for 300 Blackout subs, and is used for CQB for both supers and subs as the point of impact shift between them at these closer ranges is negligible. It sits higher on the rail giving you the "head up" shooting stance that is ideal for CQB, night vision, situational awareness, etc.
    The prism is zeroed for supers as it is intended to be used for longer range, more precision shots.

    • @JunkfoodZombieGuns
      @JunkfoodZombieGuns 11 месяцев назад +12

      Funny how silly it seems when you just take a minute or two to think about it, right? If the price wasn't insane, I could see it being a convenient solution, but not when you could buy any number of other things to accomplish the same task and for less money.

    • @spehhhsssmarineer8961
      @spehhhsssmarineer8961 11 месяцев назад +1

      This.

    • @borkwoof696
      @borkwoof696 11 месяцев назад +1

      Man, how did they not think of that!

    • @RobertBeckk
      @RobertBeckk 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@JunkfoodZombieGuns Almost being able to afford 2 Ta02s for the price of this is nuts.

    • @justsnuggle
      @justsnuggle 11 месяцев назад

      This

  • @vglnte1
    @vglnte1 11 месяцев назад +385

    Sig sure is proud of their prices lately.

    • @fratricidefrank
      @fratricidefrank 11 месяцев назад

      They have gotten to the point now where people will buy their products regardless of price. The Sig fan bois are just as bad as any 2000s boy band fans. Overpriced now that they have a loyalty

    • @justisheitz1038
      @justisheitz1038 11 месяцев назад +18

      Their becoming knights armament

    • @The_PotionSeller
      @The_PotionSeller 11 месяцев назад

      They are rolling in government contracts, if they can sell the sight under contract at $4k they're not going to care on the civilian side. Maybe they'll come out with a civilian version for "only" $800

    • @dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073
      @dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073 11 месяцев назад +5

      it's really about the only thing they do . lol

    • @bmartin863
      @bmartin863 11 месяцев назад

      Military will buy it . That price will give them a boner.

  • @ToastbackWhale
    @ToastbackWhale 11 месяцев назад +9

    Sig doing for $4k what a dope sheet taped to your stock does for $0.65.
    Hell you could just mount a second RDS and still save $3500.

  • @dennishines9996
    @dennishines9996 11 месяцев назад +155

    For almost $4,000 bucks that thing better have night vision

    • @2thdocdds
      @2thdocdds 11 месяцев назад +42

      AND thermal.

    • @Wavyboiskooky
      @Wavyboiskooky 11 месяцев назад

      And make me an awesome sandwich

    • @totenfurwotan4478
      @totenfurwotan4478 11 месяцев назад

      Nope, just a j-ish man rubbing his hands after you send him sheckles

    • @Strawman333
      @Strawman333 11 месяцев назад +11

      ..and x-ray vision.

    • @longrangevoodoo4480
      @longrangevoodoo4480 11 месяцев назад +21

      It better put Vicks Vapor Rub on my chest and rub my fanny when I have a hard day.

  • @TheHumbleMarksman
    @TheHumbleMarksman 11 месяцев назад +5

    I got to play with that sight last summer when they were launching the Romeo X and RM17. The story I was told was that they aren't expecting to sell many of them to civilians - a tier 1 group asked for it specifically. The desire was to dispatch two gate guards with supers then be able to swap back to subs and CQB. So the price reflects the gubmint paying for it.

    • @josephasbury4492
      @josephasbury4492 10 месяцев назад

      So hella up-front cost for the civvie side to pay for R&D. Great info, thank you!

  • @UncleDanBand64
    @UncleDanBand64 11 месяцев назад +216

    At that price, I would just build a second upper with it's own optic to go from super to sub. Now like you say when others come out like Holosun and they are 3 to 400 bucks, I am in.

    • @lowlight8466
      @lowlight8466 11 месяцев назад +12

      Agree! But just like most things now days it's not intended for the normal wage slaves!

    • @DaleErnieMichael
      @DaleErnieMichael 11 месяцев назад

      Except then that defeats the whole point of .300BLK which is to make one mediocre rifle that can turn into a mediocre sub gun with nothing but a mag change. This sight really seems like they want to milk the government for all they can get, they're really getting their money's worth after bribing whoever in the DOD to get both their crappy guns adopted and they're only ones dumb enough to drop $4000 on a single red dot sight. This red dot's probably still built by Holosun too so I'd bet it only costs $50 to make.

    • @1nfamyX
      @1nfamyX 11 месяцев назад +5

      You can literally just mount 2 micro dot sights in sequence too. Conceptually they should not interfere with each other. Less weight than a whole seperate upper probably similar weight to this sight & $3000-$3500 less cost.

    • @boutique53
      @boutique53 11 месяцев назад +10

      My thoughts exactly! Heck, you can build or buy a second complete rifle with it's own Holosun for less than Sig wants for that thing. I can't believe they'll sell a lot of them to regular people at that ridiculous price.

    • @UncleDanBand64
      @UncleDanBand64 11 месяцев назад +4

      @1nfamy124 Yes sir are you can merely mark your dot or count the clicks needed for windage and elevation adjustment write it down on a piece of tape.

  • @MagicPrepper
    @MagicPrepper 11 месяцев назад +1

    My 300BLK MCX is the most fun to shoot out of my rifles. I assume the 300BLK hate comes from lack of suppressor ownership.

  • @ColeDedhand
    @ColeDedhand 11 месяцев назад +595

    That's a really nice $600 sight.

    • @boygonewhoopdataZZ
      @boygonewhoopdataZZ 11 месяцев назад +11

      This is the exact same thing as a meprolight tru vision but with more gimmicks into it.

    • @JohnZ556
      @JohnZ556 11 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@boygonewhoopdataZZI thought Mepro MOR Pro was pretty expensive. Not anymore! 😂
      At 1k that at least has ir and vis laser covered so someone can just add a SF vampire light and call it a day.
      On the other hand this thing is like spending a freaking SCAR20 money on a red dot. I can't even justify that kind of money for a high power scope! 😢

    • @jeepninja1
      @jeepninja1 11 месяцев назад +33

      ​@xtremeracr1046 not for poors...if you pay 4k for that, you're regarded with a T. You can buy a SR15, a T2, and suppress it for almost that

    • @STdoubleDs
      @STdoubleDs 11 месяцев назад

      @@xtreme4stringbass
      Get your ass back on the street corner, honey. I didn’t tell you you were done.

    • @wishuhadmyname
      @wishuhadmyname 11 месяцев назад +7

      Yeah, I'd rather not spend 5% of my annual income on an optic. If I made 4k a week, sure why not. Even then, I'd rather have multiple uppers or even multiple guns for different loads

  • @JDCali459mm
    @JDCali459mm 11 месяцев назад +19

    Well. Sig is definitely trying to target the military's Special Operations contract or their "special credit card." Definitely beneficial to go from subs to supers depending on ops, without having to change anything on your rifle setup. Not like cost really matters for the military's Special operations units, but i guess a 4k optic could save on a $2300 upper, $500-900 optics, $3k-4k ngal, $600 surefire. They're definitely not making this for the civilian market.

  • @coreyp9211
    @coreyp9211 11 месяцев назад +315

    You could literally just buy 2 aimpoint T2s and co-witness them for half the price of this monstrosity. It would probably be lighter too.

    • @jone9145
      @jone9145 11 месяцев назад +26

      Sphur had a prototype mount for just that.

    • @theunofficialresults231
      @theunofficialresults231 11 месяцев назад +28

      And separate rifles for each.

    • @sliderofelay
      @sliderofelay 11 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@theunofficialresults231 separate uppers.

    • @NHGAFWYUTB
      @NHGAFWYUTB 11 месяцев назад +5

      or get an alpha tarac and not spend nearly as much as that either

    • @carwizard3672
      @carwizard3672 11 месяцев назад +1

      Hahaha exactly.

  • @heavyjmertes197
    @heavyjmertes197 11 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks, MAC team, for keeping us up to date on the new tech. I learned in the 80s that if you want Sig/Sauer, you will have to pay for it. Appreciate y'all.

    • @Bigrig2020-c1d
      @Bigrig2020-c1d 11 месяцев назад +3

      You do pay for what you get from sig in my opinion, however, this is insane price gouging. I assume this is for the military which is why the price is so damn high.

  • @GetMeThere1
    @GetMeThere1 11 месяцев назад +73

    LOL. It's almost a sign of a declining civilization for a red dot sight to cost $4000.

  • @ItsGoodintheWoods
    @ItsGoodintheWoods 11 месяцев назад

    I have a Vortex Viper 1-6 on my Sig MCX 300blackout. The point of impact for my super sonics is the dot....and it just so happens to have worked out that the bottom of the chevron is the POI for the 220 grain subs. It has worked very well for me for years.

  • @bolson7293
    @bolson7293 11 месяцев назад +88

    I can’t help but wonder if they charge that price because some idiot in the government is willing to pay it for the military. That or the guys at Sig use extremely expensive beard oil. It’s a very clean looking and robust design. Cool product, not nearly 4K cool though. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us Tim.

    • @funkymonkeylovin
      @funkymonkeylovin 11 месяцев назад +8

      This has to be priced this way due to government contracts. No tax payer is going to buy this.

    • @lukewarm_fuzz
      @lukewarm_fuzz 11 месяцев назад +16

      @@funkymonkeylovin oh we'll pay for it, just not directly...

    • @fratricidefrank
      @fratricidefrank 11 месяцев назад +4

      BUT IT'S TAN AND SAYS "SIG"

    • @stephenbarnes8817
      @stephenbarnes8817 11 месяцев назад +3

      They can’t sell it for less to consumers, or they’d have to lower the price, otherwise possibly even make refunds to the govt

    • @MagicPrepper
      @MagicPrepper 11 месяцев назад +3

      The government pays much less as a marketing expense. So Sig makes up the losses on the civilian market. Just my theory.

  • @adama1294
    @adama1294 11 месяцев назад +3

    Outrageous. For that, I want the optic to have tons of memory slots and can autodetect what gun you put it on and will display what bullet your shooting on the hud display.

  • @patgray5402
    @patgray5402 11 месяцев назад +18

    Rolex should come out with a red dot powered by rifle movement

    • @JunkfoodZombieGuns
      @JunkfoodZombieGuns 11 месяцев назад +3

      You know, being a little bit if a watch guy, I was thinking "what did they put a rechargeable battery in there and a rotor like on an automatic watch to keep it charged when you're moving? 😂

    • @murfdizzle4shizzle
      @murfdizzle4shizzle 6 месяцев назад

      Yesssss!!! An automatic automatic? 🤔

  • @Wade-1
    @Wade-1 11 месяцев назад +1

    You'll still hear Ken Hackathorne saying red dots arent necessary. Reminds me of the old timers still talking about carrying revolvers because they dont jam.

  • @texasranger24
    @texasranger24 11 месяцев назад +21

    Sig says this has super special reflector stuff so the enemy cannot see your red dot reflection from the front end.
    That gave me an idea for a new video. Test the light emissions out the front of all red dots and holos and illuminated LPVOs and prisms you can get your hand on under night vision.
    Is it just fudd lore that an enemy with NVs would be able to see your scope emissions even when "passive" aiming? Or des it make sense that Sig wants to sell their $3k red dot without front reflection?

    • @boygonewhoopdataZZ
      @boygonewhoopdataZZ 11 месяцев назад +3

      It's mostly due to the glass angle. Meprolight TruVision is the same thing with less of the gimmicks and "gubbmint price".
      And yes it's fuddlore. Do FOF or serve in a branch who do mock combat and you'll come to quickly see that light emissions is not that big of an issue when you can see a human head sticking out like a sore thumb. Which is why I would never understand light caps or killflashes.

    • @Glatidoz
      @Glatidoz 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@boygonewhoopdataZZLight emissions unders NOD-s is a different issue. And you can't really see a human head when a person is prone. And most of the light emssions which expose you happen in CQB, atleast with WML-s. A killflash will also give away your firing position, especially at night. This is not even factoring in the blinding effect in your own NVG when firing at night without a killflash, although most SOF units just use supressors which also negates the flash.

  • @derekdelotto6370
    @derekdelotto6370 11 месяцев назад +2

    I am w ya on the 300 blackout being my favorite ballistically and fun to shoot. I love reloading for the 300blk...

  • @bryanduchane2371
    @bryanduchane2371 11 месяцев назад +27

    That price is freaking crazy!!!

    • @fratricidefrank
      @fratricidefrank 11 месяцев назад +2

      IT'S TAN THOUGH! AND IT SAYS "SIG"

    • @bloodking73
      @bloodking73 11 месяцев назад

      People love massively over paying for poor quality control, psa is atleast cheap with its bad qc

    • @limpetarch98k
      @limpetarch98k 11 месяцев назад

      Its not Sig’s fault if they wanted to return to their Swiss roots by being outrageously complicated and expensive 😅

  • @gomrick5000
    @gomrick5000 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thats a fancy Holosun, even has all the same UI to adjust the dots! Cool to see them working together and charging 4k for something "Made in the USA"

  • @Mr.9x19mm
    @Mr.9x19mm 11 месяцев назад +58

    Would love to see Primary Arms take the Holosun HS503G with the ACSS red dot reticle and add a independently zeroable green dot to it.

    • @fratricidefrank
      @fratricidefrank 11 месяцев назад +4

      I love that sight and it's crazy that more people don't know about it

    • @borkwoof696
      @borkwoof696 11 месяцев назад +1

      No biggie

  • @uh60ce1
    @uh60ce1 11 месяцев назад +6

    HOP is gonna have a field day with this thing 😂

  • @jakobedonald8586
    @jakobedonald8586 11 месяцев назад +25

    Love the video but it’s not justifying a 4k optic. Sig is insane

  • @RenoMay
    @RenoMay 11 месяцев назад +1

    At that price I’d unironically rather just put 2 red dots on the top rail lol

  • @tonytable1537
    @tonytable1537 11 месяцев назад +7

    Woah... $3900? Wouldn't it just make more sense to have 2 lightweight sights (T2 or the like) with the offset being subs?
    The price is near thermal sight realm, I just don't see the justification for the price besides "First in Best Dressed"

  • @stephenfannin6482
    @stephenfannin6482 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wilcox boss sight has been out offering the sub/super zero with a manual flip like a spectre DR to switch between them, similarly prices and includes a host of IR lasers and illumination all in the same housing

  • @ArthurFrank-ot4or
    @ArthurFrank-ot4or 11 месяцев назад +9

    Sig reminds me of Heckler and Koch, good products with exorbitant pricing because their intended customer is the military/LE who are used to overpaying for things since they aren't spending their own money. 💸💸💸

    • @exploatores
      @exploatores 11 месяцев назад

      two things about the military/LE. It´s cheaper to buy good stuff that can take a beating. I don´t know what the aimpoint on My H&K G3 costed the govrement. but if they could have got away with buying something cheaper. I am shure they would have. the second thing the govrement buys a lot and don´t pay retail price. // former POG.

  • @DerpyWRX
    @DerpyWRX 9 месяцев назад

    I think this is an awesome concept, the capability and flexibility with what you can do with this optic set up is incredible. I cant wait to see what other options will be available in the near future!

  • @mikhailgregovszki7478
    @mikhailgregovszki7478 11 месяцев назад +16

    I don't see why it costs so much... generally LED tech is much cheaper to make than holo/laser sights from what I understand. I have several EOTechs, and while they are a little spendy this Sig 9T just seems ridiculous. You can get thermal sights for cheaper, several of which let you save multiple zeroing points for different rifles or even like in your case different ammo types or weapon configurations.
    Really for $3900 I'd expect way more features, like an integrated magnifier that can pop down out of the line of sight. And even with that feature I'd not expect more than $2500 for something like this. I know it is brand new, and perhaps the price will come down a lot after a year - but yeah I can't see how anyone can really justify this optic unless money is just not a limitation for them.

    • @Militaryarmschannel
      @Militaryarmschannel  11 месяцев назад +11

      It all boils down to the incredible complexities of the internal lensing systems for two dots within the confines of a rather conventionally sized housing. As the tech matures and manufacturing of such tech streamlines you'll see competitive products coming to market at a lower cost. Sig may even offer a reduced cost sight. This one has every feature they could pack in there. It could also be that a military tender required all of the functionality and durability built into the sight, as we all know Uncle Sugar just loves spending our tax dollars and sending manufacturings on wild goose chases like the OICW program.

    • @DKsupreme69420
      @DKsupreme69420 11 месяцев назад +6

      It’s not the complexity of the sight, it’s the fact that sig is selling these to the military at a certain price per unit And they can’t legally or ethically sell them cheaper to civilians

    • @ayarzeev8237
      @ayarzeev8237 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Militaryarmschannelyeah, I would like a much cheaper version with just that housing and one reticle

    • @DKsupreme69420
      @DKsupreme69420 11 месяцев назад

      @@ayarzeev8237 that’s called a red dot

    • @ayarzeev8237
      @ayarzeev8237 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@DKsupreme69420 probably because it is a red dot. I like how it looks which is what I was referring to

  • @jamessutton9319
    @jamessutton9319 11 месяцев назад

    Just ran across your channel. Was intrigued by your studio/shoot house. Have you ever done a video showing the layout of the place? Would love to see more of how it's laid out.

  • @marginbuu212
    @marginbuu212 11 месяцев назад +6

    Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Vortex's implementation of this technology.

  • @MealTeam6_
    @MealTeam6_ 11 месяцев назад +10

    WOW! It is a GREAT design and I was thinking it would be double the price of an Eotech, but $3,899!!!!! That is WAY out of my price range! It should give you a complimentary reach around for that price! Sig is probably marketing this to Military and LEO.

    • @jamesgarrison5546
      @jamesgarrison5546 11 месяцев назад

      still cheaper than a wilcox Boss which has slaved reticles rather than independent.

    • @MealTeam6_
      @MealTeam6_ 11 месяцев назад

      @@jamesgarrison5546 I'm sorry. Wilcox is out of my vocabulary. I drink sweet tea and drive a pickup truck not Perrier sparkling water and an electric Tesla. I only know 2 private citizens that own anything Wilcox branded. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have one but out of my price range as well as most blue collar workers.

  • @donh6177
    @donh6177 11 месяцев назад +8

    For a red dot that's going to be over $4k once sales tax is added on you would think Sig would at least give you a nice case rather than a cardboard box! Awesome optic just about $3.5k over my price range.

    • @chriscarnes87
      @chriscarnes87 11 месяцев назад

      Exactly, and when they discontinue it and it breaks you’ll have to throw it away.

    • @calebfuller9591
      @calebfuller9591 11 месяцев назад

      Who is putting their optic in a case? My Eotech cases go in the trash half the time.

    • @chriscarnes87
      @chriscarnes87 11 месяцев назад

      @@calebfuller9591 For 4k, I would like the option to repurpose the case at least.
      Also just added security for shipping… Because you know, nothing ever gets damaged during shipping.

    • @donh6177
      @donh6177 11 месяцев назад

      @@calebfuller9591 I had a trijicon MRO I had to send back for warranty repair a couple of years ago. It was nice just to throw it back in the case it came in to send it back. I keep most of my optic boxes for this very reason. It also will sell better if you have the original case and paperwork to go with it if you ever decide down the road to put it up for sale.

  • @clap5
    @clap5 11 месяцев назад

    Saving multiple zeros for different loads and configurations has been a concept I’ve had for many years. I don’t have the knowledge to do it myself, but I’m glad someone finally did.

  • @PullingRugs
    @PullingRugs 11 месяцев назад +19

    Sig is playing the market high but won’t sell, they will have to re-release at a reasonable cost (~$1,200), all red dot brands will eat a big one because no red dot is worth the $900 they want now because they’re just a dot.

    • @Militaryarmschannel
      @Militaryarmschannel  11 месяцев назад +12

      I believe they will release a lower priced alternative down the road, like you I don't see a lot of these being sold outside of military circles, even LEO's don't have that kind of scratch.

    • @PullingRugs
      @PullingRugs 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@Militaryarmschannel maybe this will force change the optics market needs! I like dots but they lack utility at their current prices

    • @totenfurwotan4478
      @totenfurwotan4478 11 месяцев назад

      The secret is these aren’t for us. It’s for military orgs with deep pockets and no sense

    • @lukedickhaus5787
      @lukedickhaus5787 10 месяцев назад

      @@PullingRugswhat type of utility?

  • @SGTMinguez
    @SGTMinguez 11 месяцев назад

    MAC, did you ever try to dealer sample the Meprolight Foresight? That would also have multi-rifle reticle/holds, albeit with awful battery life.

  • @jonathanlogan6647
    @jonathanlogan6647 11 месяцев назад +12

    Ive been super existed about this sight but sadly i see it floping just because the price is too high. Really makes it accessible to a handful of groups and people with bottomless pockets. I was ready to get one for my 300 blk until that price

    • @TroutButter
      @TroutButter 11 месяцев назад +1

      That's funny, I also was wanting to put this on a 300 blk build I'm planning on making. Then I saw the price. LOL

  • @Wu-Tang-Dan
    @Wu-Tang-Dan 11 месяцев назад +1

    The common discount of 10% for first responders, etc., accounts for almost the entice price of other red dots. Two dots is great, but maybe $700 great, not $4K.

  • @COMMANDERHAWK22
    @COMMANDERHAWK22 11 месяцев назад +4

    well this will never be out of stock. for the price it should also have green/ir laser, and laser range finder .

    • @davidgaines8607
      @davidgaines8607 11 месяцев назад

      Dude. For this price it should automatically recognize when you've loaded supers or subs. Lol.

    • @FrankyWebster1166
      @FrankyWebster1166 11 месяцев назад

      If it comes with an integrated can opener and light saber, I’ll probably buy it.

  • @Nazrick
    @Nazrick 11 месяцев назад +1

    That is astoundingly expensive for such a small use case. I was honestly expecting it had a thermal imaging device built in somehow. Do the two reticles not get close enough that they block your target at range? I suspect they are pricing it knowing they’ll sell so few units and have to cover the development costs.

  • @ccompson2
    @ccompson2 11 месяцев назад +8

    Lol for the price you can just have two of the same guns with different loadings

  • @trevorr8834
    @trevorr8834 11 месяцев назад +1

    If it had an IR Laser Aiming Module, range finder and automatic Ballistic Calculator I would consider paying that price. Until then I'll use my Eotech Exps 3

  • @GammaRayTrae
    @GammaRayTrae 11 месяцев назад +11

    Incredible review, I see forgotten weapons mention this a while ago but had forgotten about it. That being said $3899 is ludicrous!!! I am an Sig fan but even this is too much. I’ll just go with the lpvo and offset red dot on my 300 build. I’m not shooting subs past 50 anyway and you can make a light weight enough build to compensate for the little extra weight of the lpvo combo. We need the budget companies to hurry up and come out with similar products to lower the price of this.

  • @celegear7574
    @celegear7574 11 месяцев назад

    Hey Mac I thought Wilcox made an optic very similar for 300blk. For suppressed and unsuppressed, Not sure if it’s still in production.

  • @jon1801
    @jon1801 11 месяцев назад +4

    Nice box, see where they get the price from 🤣

  • @_SKDK_
    @_SKDK_ 11 месяцев назад

    Didn't mepro already do this for less than a grand?
    I think it's called the Mepro Foresight. I remember seeing it in 2020. It also displays more info and has mobile app functionality.

  • @aaronbeaulieu6086
    @aaronbeaulieu6086 11 месяцев назад +6

    $3899, and it comes in a cardboard box. Trijicon comes in a very nice Pelican style case for 1/5 the price. The technology is very cool. Just give it a couple of years, and the price will more than likely come down. Great content Tim. Looking forward to your Shotshow coverage. Always Faithful, Always Forward. Aaron Beaulieu

    • @Militaryarmschannel
      @Militaryarmschannel  11 месяцев назад +4

      Are you saying you would rather pay a flat $4k and have a REALLY nice box you'll throw in the closet (or throw away) after you open it? I'll take the cardboard box. 😃

    • @CorgiEnjoyer
      @CorgiEnjoyer 11 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@MilitaryarmschannelFirst of all, you know DAMN WELL they could add in a nicer box and just shave a little off their 1000% profit margin. Second of all, if you have 3900$ for a red dot, you probably have 4000$ for a red dot

    • @RewardedRocki
      @RewardedRocki 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@CorgiEnjoyer The box issue for guns has always made me laugh because half the market will complain and the other half will praise it/not care. But an optic? What do you need a case for an optic for? I have several ACOGs and a few MROs and those nice fancy cases have been sitting in a closet unused since I bought them. I understand this SIG is RIDICULOUSLY overpriced and they could thow in a case but seriously, are you going to take it off of your gun and store it when you aren't shooting? More than likely it will be attached to one gun or another at all times. Also this thing has military contract written all over it, they probably prefer that it comes in a recyclable throw away box vs a bulky plastic shell.

    • @aaronbeaulieu6086
      @aaronbeaulieu6086 11 месяцев назад +1

      Tim, that is not at all what I am saying. However I am saying that for $3899, SIG could throw in even an off branded Pelican style case at no additional cost to SIG. I agree that most likely the optic would be mounted, and the case would basically become closet fodder. The Pelican style cases are useful for so many other things when going to the range. The optic technology is very cool and I think it will be heavily copied by others. Awesome content. Always Faithful, Always Forward.
      Aaron Beaulieu ​@Militaryarmschannel

    • @Distortic
      @Distortic 11 месяцев назад +1

      I dont think it will for this optic. The tech will carry over to cheaper stuff, but this will stay high so sig can offer kickbacks to whatever requisitioning officer orders them for a whole plattoon.

  • @vikingsoftpaw
    @vikingsoftpaw 11 месяцев назад +1

    The firearms version of 'The Juice is not Worth the Squeeze'.

  • @wbpursell
    @wbpursell 11 месяцев назад +5

    I agree with everything you said in the video. A few years ago I made 2 AR pistols: one for supers and one for subs. I got one 4 power with a reticle for either 300 BO or AK 47s that is a prism scope instead of a RDS. And I equiped the other gun with a 1 x 6 LPVO that had a reticle for either 300 BO or an AK 47 round. I put the the LPVO on my gun for supers and the 4X prism scooe on my gun for subs. For a reasonable amount of cash it solved the problem of different points of impact. I am retired and live off the check that uncle Sam sends each month so there is no way I could afford such an expensive scope. The idea is good and if I live long enough maybe I will see the cost come down. For now I expect only the military, with theur unlimited budgets, to buy these scopes.

  • @jabbott1981
    @jabbott1981 11 месяцев назад

    Why did you zero the supers to red and the green to subs? Seems like it should be the other way around for the big quick circle acquisition.

  • @chrisdunn2934
    @chrisdunn2934 11 месяцев назад

    Didn’t the meprolight foresight do something similar with different saved profiles depending on what gun you put the sight on to?

  • @zanelittlegray
    @zanelittlegray 11 месяцев назад +1

    Ahhhh, the latest & greatest from MIM!
    Oops - I meant SIG - sorry!
    Hi Ron!

  • @garin8726
    @garin8726 11 месяцев назад

    I have a 300 blackout EOTech that’s been out for about 10 years that has two dots in it. Sure you can’t independently adjust the 2 dots but for 100 yards and in which is what 300 blackout is meant for it is right on the money zero it with supers or subs and the dots match up. You can get one of these for 500 bucks.

  • @7N6ballistics
    @7N6ballistics 11 месяцев назад +1

    As many have already pointed out…this is an insane price for literally 1 extra feature. With micro prisms and piggy back / offset micro rds the same thing is accomplished at a fraction of the cost. If sig had introduced this in an $800 sight maybe…but there is nothing new hear except an extra dot. Lets see if Holosun gets it right.

  • @AnonDW40
    @AnonDW40 11 месяцев назад

    You forgot about the Wilcox Boss, it has a similar feature with a throw lever that changes the zero.

  • @SetsunaKai5
    @SetsunaKai5 11 месяцев назад +1

    I can't wait for holosun to make a $1k version.

  • @billydanzz
    @billydanzz 11 месяцев назад

    Main red dot mounted on top zeroed to supes with a mini red-dot on a 45 degree offset zeroed to subs. Just roll to the 45 for the close in work.

  • @ericb.4358
    @ericb.4358 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the detailed review on this VERY advanced sight. I WANT ONE. But until I hit big on POWERBALL I'll stay with my HOLOSUN AEMS on my 9 mm RUGER PC chassis carbine. Configureable reticle, NV compatable settings, solar panel, lens covers, very rugged (see Sage Dynamics' review on YT) and, best of all, reasonably priced. In fact CURENTLY (Jan. 2024) the AEMS may be the closest rd dot to the ROMEO 9T.

  • @johnelliott7375
    @johnelliott7375 11 месяцев назад +1

    300 Blackout or 300 Ham'r and I know your preference and in your opinion what is the difference between them? Comparable to a .30-30, I would like to see you guys make a video of why and how you have made your choice to call it "The Best Defensive Cartridge on the US Market Today"!

    • @jay-ny4xh
      @jay-ny4xh 11 месяцев назад

      I have one of each. The 300 hamr with 11.25"barrel shooting
      110 CC will shoot sub MOA at 100yds easy. Spins ALOT faster, but not a sub round like 300 black. The big biggest bummer on the perfect subsonic platform Sig 7" barrel with a 1-5 twist for running subs , is the fact that Sig will not acknowledge that they screwed the pooch not once but twice, with their two lengths of Rattlers. Neither one of the rattlers are a great suppressor host. High back pressure cans gets you eating ALOT of gas. Flow thru cans gives you cycling problems. GOTTA LOVE SIG. They will always get you almost to the finish line.Wilson Combat just came out with a 125 grain Max expansion round that is VERY impressive for the 300 Hamr

  • @ryanrayfuss9037
    @ryanrayfuss9037 11 месяцев назад

    Whenever the ads for modern gun school come up and I see the MGS, I just think of Michael Gary Scott every time without fail… I can’t unsee it now 👀

  • @Tactical_Time07
    @Tactical_Time07 9 месяцев назад

    I would LOVE to try this 9T out! Question: if this optic was $1500, roughly twice the amount of an EXPS3, would you buy this optic? Would it be worth double the price of an EOTECH? Thanks for the review.

  • @theirishman6728
    @theirishman6728 11 месяцев назад +1

    I like the idea, and look forward to competition driving down price. Because at that price, I'd rather just purchase & setup an offset dot coupled with my main dot to zero one for super and another for subs. Or... just do what I do now and have witness marks on my turrets, one for supers and one for subs.

  • @MacShaulayShaulkin
    @MacShaulayShaulkin 11 месяцев назад

    This actually isn’t the first optic with 300blk dual zero system. The 2018 Wilcox BOSS and newer 2022 generation BOSS XE are both designed with sub and super 300blk reticle zeros, toggled by a switch.
    They are at a similar price point around 4K+ but with the BOSS you also get IR and Vis lasers integrated so you don’t need to purchase a LAM/PEQ

  • @jasongeorge125
    @jasongeorge125 11 месяцев назад

    My Eotech damn near does the same thing. It has 2 dots for subs and super. You can't adjust them separate but it's very close out to 100. And also it was only 500 bucks.

  • @joshuanovakovich8290
    @joshuanovakovich8290 11 месяцев назад

    Correct me if im wrong... a left and right adjustment for both red and green seems redundant?

  • @JoshuaDomoslai
    @JoshuaDomoslai 11 месяцев назад

    Pretty cool. Love the looks/design. It has features that fixes problems that I don’t have. I’m a bit more simple. Plain red dot, if I do shoot suppressed it won’t shift too much that Kentucky windage on the fly can’t fix.

  • @mattschultzy671
    @mattschultzy671 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, that is really cool! That is also beyond stupid expensive. I love the features, the idea of $4000 for something with just a red dot, even two of them, is just beyond my imagination. Can I a least have a chevron and some BDC dots for that price? I mean, the cool just does not even remotely outweigh the WTF factor. Hopefully you are right and merely making it will convince others to try to add similar functionally for something less than the price of an entire fully decked out Daniel Defense rifle. I mean, just WOW!

  • @terryboone3333
    @terryboone3333 11 месяцев назад

    Ive never used a red dot. Ive put one on one of my rifles, but havent shot it yet. Never had a problem useing iron sights and scopes.

  • @85Sirex
    @85Sirex 11 месяцев назад +2

    Wow, that red dot is 10x the price of my first car in 1993. I bet in 30 years, the Sig will at least still be running. 😁

  • @PopBubbleWrappable
    @PopBubbleWrappable 11 месяцев назад

    I run two optics in conjunction with one another for this exact purpose. People always thought I was an idiot and while I am an idiot, I at least had the right idea with separately adjustable dots for supers and subs.

  • @Supercereal4
    @Supercereal4 11 месяцев назад

    You can do the same with the Aimpoint Comp M5B and included custom ballistic turret for a quarter of the price, and have been able to since 2021

  • @jezzasidewinder5993
    @jezzasidewinder5993 11 месяцев назад

    Outstanding!!! Only have to wait a year for the Holosun affordable copy.

  • @28_babyshark
    @28_babyshark 11 месяцев назад

    The body of the sight is too big compared to the window size of the optic. So with a $4k price tag, does that come with a reach around?

  • @Cubanb407
    @Cubanb407 11 месяцев назад

    5:15 Mark is where he gets to why it’s a game changer.

  • @edcox8007
    @edcox8007 11 месяцев назад

    it sucks when you have astigmatism. i cannot comfortably use red dot sites. Is there any dot sights that will work besides a prism sight?

  • @CaptHowdy86
    @CaptHowdy86 11 месяцев назад

    So far a nice looking sight, but what is the point compared with the Mepro Forsight (for example) where you can add 10 firearm profiles and 20 different reticles - and that`s for 900 bucks (in Europe)??? Okay, the Sig has a titanium housing, looks more solid and has a fancy battery feature... buuuut what is the point for the price????

  • @turrettooling1968
    @turrettooling1968 11 месяцев назад

    Yeah, that’s a damn fine setup you got there.

  • @cinemantics231
    @cinemantics231 11 месяцев назад

    Hows this revolutionary? Doesn't Meprolight's O2/True Vision also have independently adjustable multi-reticle options?

  • @MyCalculatedRandomness
    @MyCalculatedRandomness 11 месяцев назад

    Any thoughts on the Daniel Defense ISR 300 Blk. Recently purchased one on this end and I"m currently looking into an RDS option. Having said that, I'll have a review posted once this platform Is dialed in. Anything insight is greatly appreciated. Cheers

  • @brandonrides8953
    @brandonrides8953 11 месяцев назад +1

    Yes the price is high, but this is something we've all wanted and Sig took the leap to make it. Yes other manufacturers will follow with cheaper options. But they wouldn't unless someone took the first leap.

  • @tomdavies2937
    @tomdavies2937 11 месяцев назад

    The Mepro foresight lets you load different reticle and adjust zero from a profile for a lot less. A heck of a lot less.

  • @bobfrank1376
    @bobfrank1376 11 месяцев назад

    Would you get the mcx spear or the rattler if you could only have one

  • @codicarlson3229
    @codicarlson3229 9 месяцев назад

    Very nice wish I could afford. What are your thoughts on the holosun aems system for the price?

  • @Brian-ry2ij
    @Brian-ry2ij 11 месяцев назад +1

    For $3800, I would want magnification like an Elcan (1-4x or 1-6x) and a few more features. $3800 for a red dot is nuts. Likewise, if you are shooting .300 black out subsonics beyond 100 yards, you must be having a very bad day.

  • @TheGuyWhoLearns
    @TheGuyWhoLearns 11 месяцев назад

    I can understand to a degree why the pricepoint is where it's at. It def has a lot of technology packed into it. The glass and the lasers used to help people with astigmatism to be able to see the dots/reticle more easily is a big deal. But using titanium and the battery life is also pretty awesome. I'm going to start a gofundme to get one of these though lol.

  • @mozzberg590
    @mozzberg590 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks, but I'll wait until Holosun/Primary Arms makes ones for an eight of the price.

  • @KaDaJxClonE
    @KaDaJxClonE 11 месяцев назад +1

    Once Sig is able to get the price down through scale and using steel parts like a normal person, it'll be a great high end $600-800 sight. Can only imagine the price of the magnifier they're gonna pair with it.

    • @johnf817
      @johnf817 11 месяцев назад

      The titanium doesn't add much to the price. It's basically like the most common metal on earth and dirt cheap and with modern machining it's not a big deal to machine titanium.

  • @tonyv6815
    @tonyv6815 11 месяцев назад +1

    Showcasing a $4k dot to the civilian market is somewhat of an excercize in futility. This thing is not made for us, its for the state department to blow our tax money on. Its essentially a Wilcox product

  • @dweb2275
    @dweb2275 11 месяцев назад

    Sig Romeo 5 is $125.00 add a $100 m-lock green dot laser. Green dot is for subs and red dot is supers. Best part is you can see both at the same time through the Red Dot sight. You're welcome!

  • @AndyCovell-gr9kl
    @AndyCovell-gr9kl Месяц назад

    Can you run a magnifier with this optic?
    Reason i ask is somehere i read its prismatic.
    Thanks for your reply.

  • @dark-hh5ho
    @dark-hh5ho 11 месяцев назад

    What about the internal battery? Can you recharge it? If not then it's not worth it. If I'm blowing 4k I need the redundancy.

  • @joejoeseesingtons
    @joejoeseesingtons 11 месяцев назад +1

    For that price the Wilcox Boss XE is the way to and includes IR laser

  • @Indica_Cobra
    @Indica_Cobra 11 месяцев назад

    I've just gotten lucky that both builds that I use supers and subs in, that I was able to zero the same sight at "two" different ranges with the same gun.
    Basically, my supers and zeroed at 100, the subs hit that spot at 50 yards.

  • @livenight1733
    @livenight1733 11 месяцев назад

    That is the perfect rifle / optic set up.

  • @danawalkerley1395
    @danawalkerley1395 11 месяцев назад

    Didn’t Wilcox have switchable two zeros? With just a switch flip.

  • @sarinhighwind
    @sarinhighwind 11 месяцев назад

    Does it sight itself in too?
    Cause for that price, It should be mount and auto sight.