It's true though they can be Handler aggressive. It's also true that I love dutches because they have working line GSD in them which is why they are so much more sizable than a regular dutchie. Actually I should call them X herders because they are not Dutch Shepherds. The knpv line of dogs uses a mixture of all three breeds.
Lol I was thinking the same , but for him is ok he can handle them . They’re not good for us. “ I want bruises before I go to bed”Lol, 😂what’s wrong with some ppl?My GSD is my gangsta 😂Freaks eh?My husband see a new bruise and don’t care anymore 😂
@@primalcritters More than than herders in some lines. Mali and dutchie are basically the same breed(they were used to be considered the same back in the day). Some lines have apbt and mastiffs in their blood.
@@dogman2772 yes I know this. Apbt has been mixed in I am aware. It just makes me laugh when people think they have a purebred Malinois that is almost 100 lb and very muscled with a large head. I always tell people no that's not a purebred malinois. Better than a purebred malinois! People get extremely offended though insisting they have a purebred malinois. They don't get the whole point of knpv dogs. I actually think they should just start calling them X herders as they do overseas. Purebred Malinois will be very slim dogs with narrow muzzles and fine bones. The dogs working in police and military are not this. They are very selectively bred mutts essentially. I say mutts in the best way
I recall that video and I think he's just challenging his abilities if you will ...and his challenging in his own self and his own skill... I don't think he's being a hypocrite in the sense of what he said ....it's like someone that doesn't want to plateau in their career when they're able to... and don't want to ride their niche of expertise dry...I think Haz loves what he does..and this shows it.
I think the same of my corso. He is a truly badass gangster (as Haz says haha) who takes his protection work more seriously than anything else in life. Positive reinforcement is only half the battle with my 140 pound beast of a boy.
That comment...😂❤🙏🏻🦋 I am positive...but balanced training is always best or use methods which work on certain dogs. I can't understand why someone can think that positive training is everything. 😅
Something that helped me understand my dutchie was a documentary by Jim and Jamie Dutcher about their work in Yellowstone with wolves. Their last name is not a joke.
Awesome dog. I must admit after 20 plus years of working dogs im over unpredictable dogs. I like mine stable these days. I always find even when you get a dog like this to a working stage it’s always in the back of your mind if you’re going to be taken out. There’s nothing worse then having to pussyfoot around an unpredictable reactive dog. (This is just my personal opinion)
With unpredictability, it's not me that I worry about. It's variables I can't control like other people and dogs. The legal liability is so high these days.
You must be a small man. You better eat and workout to get some muscles. If you look like a bitch then they’ll treat you like one. If you look like the terminator, he’ll respect you!
This dog reminds me of a friends dog. He was a solid black german shepherd all working lines (Troll Fero if not mistaken) and he was a schutzhund 1 when he got him and his previous owner (an older gentleman) got rid of him because the dog sent him to the hospital and he was afraid of him. I worked with this dog as a decoy a couple of times and it was scary, when you saw him in the field you knew he was meaning business, dominance and aggression was the order of the day. I never turned my back on him for a second. My friend did a couple of trials with him and he did great (One of the German judge at the trial wanted to buy the dog on the spot) until one day the dog tuned against him while he was training the blind search and sent him to the hospital. He finally sold it to another guy who was also an experienced dog trainer. I never heard of the dog after. This dog was awesome, big boned. solid head and a very good in tracking but was unpredictable and handler aggressive. My friend was a professional dog trainer at the time and a good schutzhund competitor but i think this dog was a couple levels over his abilities and knowledge at the time. I wish you best of luck with your new dog!!
interesting story. Thank you for sharing it. I think there is a big difference between a dog who is unpredictable to most trainers - but with a good enough trainer the triggers are actually clearly there (which I think will be the case here) and dogs who have a screw loose, with a genuine mental instability. In both cases you can be just unlucky, e.g. one day you slip and fall on the dog, or whatever, and end up very badly injured. A chance you take with such a dog.
Haz this is 🔥🔥🔥. This is some foreal behind the scenes of having a dog like this and the little things that are actually training that a regular dog would let go by because it’s not even a thing. It would be awesome if we could catch as much as you could give us with this dog! Thanks and blessings
I have a couple of Belgian Malinois cross puppies, and I can see & hear the natural aggression in their play with each other, but Mace seems like his aggression is coming more from fear and insecurity... from abuse.
16:00 A wagging tail means the dog is enjoying themselves, we often mistake that for friendliness. Working dogs don't just enjoy their work, they love it. Nothing makes them happier than their work. Keep that in mind when thinking of getting a working line dog. This dog obviously loves his job and you are working to help him understand what his job is.
Purchased a protection trained Belgian Malinois. He was kennel aggressive. He’d be worked with every day but as soon as he was put back in his kennel he would regress back to aggression. This went on for over a month. Had to return him to the breeder/trainer, my son is autistic and I didn’t feel comfortable with the amount of aggression that was seen. The breeder did say that one of his police officers was experiencing the same with another of his dogs.
Gotta love the honesty....This very good prospect is a alert at all times when youre with him one,time doesnt exist when you have him along youre side probably😅...hopefully you manage to title him at the highest levels
Isn’t Tom Davis’s dog that’s just a marvel of training also one of these? His is just a sweetheart..genetics is a real tossup..yeah, environment and training too..arg, my memory sucks, what’s her name..dang..oh..Lakota..!
These dogs are like having a loaded gun..they have to be watched constantly depending on how he was trained..when they think for themselves you better hope they are intelligent enough to know who's a real threat..THEY ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE
Not sure if this would help for the memory card, but there is software out there that can be used to potentially recover data from a corrupted memory card.
I want a dutchie and I want one like this but I don’t want to get a 2-3 year old one. I want to get a pup and I know it’s a crap shoot as to whether they grow into what you want but you can get a decent idea if you know what you’re doing. That’s the only way I’d want one. I think it’s the only way to build the kinda bond you need to truly be safe and comfortable with each other
Now that's a proper protection/working dog ! 🐶 Would love to see weekly videos of him and how you work with a dog that intense. Snaggletooth Fur Missile
It’s amazing to watch how a dog, that would be put down for aggression in most shelters, is being transformed into formidable protector by a true professional. I’m learning so much from your videos, keep on the good work.
LOL I LOVE him!!!! If he was avaliable in Australia omg my kind of dog I am nuts yes indeed. I would love to see Victoria stillwill train this dog LMAO!!!
My rescue was the same way. 30 days of strait getting attacked . Never punched just wrestled . Ming attacked his first 2 owners . I can tell you these dogs are not for the weak of mind or heart. He would have gave my last rescue bear a run for his money . Bear was wolf, blue nose pit and German Shepard . These dogs need a lot of attention and love to work . Love them or hate them they are beautiful dogs .
Hee im the old owner of the dog intrained him From heen hè was a puppy, till 15 months, because i had a surgery in my knees i lost the dog, its realy Nice to see Some video’s of Mike, i think you do really well to contact With, Maybe we can stay in touch
I thought this video was very educational, both to the public, but more so to professional dog trainers. Watching a video of a great trainer like Haz, working with a dog way out of my league, makes me feel very humble. Even though it may not be the type of dog the vast majority of trainers specializes in, regardless there is so much learning to be done. Personally I find it sad that there are not more self professed force free trainers (who use plenty of force in their own way, much of it very detrimental and confusing to the average dog, who being a good soul just gets on with it) who are willing to learn from content such as this. The basis of trust and having a partnership with a dog is important, and we see the first steps here, but it is not the entire answer. More and more, particularly as tools are removed, people need to understand there are some dogs that are not safe little angels who simply need a few more cookies to be a good boy. This dog has as much of a right to live and enjoy life as any other dog - in the right hands where he is safely handled. The answer is not management and medication, but trained with someone with an appropriate skillset, one sadly in Europe is becoming demonised.
Imagine spending thousands on a protection dog and having it maul you. Honestly dogs like this probably attack their handler far more often than they ever protect them.
Kool dog, a but too much for me though. Good luck with everything, can't wait to see an update in the near future and see how good of a dog he'll turn out to be.
GOD BLESS YOU. A TRAINER WITH YOUR EXPERTISE, Will have no problem with this dog to perform the way you train him! WHAT ‘regular non trainer dog people’ can’t see here is THIS DOG IS TRAINABLE and HAS A BRAIN! Where some dogs (people that don’t know anything and get ‘crazy’ dogs) they are NO BRAINS (don’t think about the situation) THEY JUST REACT! Can’t wait to see your follow up videos!
I’m getting a female dutch from a breeder this week she 1 and a half has a turn off switch but they say she may not be good with other dogs do you think she would be trainable?
Can I ask a serious question…what are your dogs avg weight when it 3/4 Mals and 1/4 D Shepards…I always loved the Mals at their 60lb class-never thought about a Mal/Shepard hybrid-
But is it really ALL dutchies? I'm looking at a breeder here in France that breeds working dutchies for herding. As an aspiring farmer I'd love to have a dutchie for herding and this is the only breeder I found breeding for those qualities (as opposed to ring sports). In fact she says she only sells pups that will go to farms. Is it possible that her dutchies also have these sorts of traits that you speak about, like trying to control their environment and so on?
If she breeds for herding, I assume a decent amount don't qualify for this work (always dogs in the litter that don't work well). So does she keep those dogs or still sell them to farmers?
Haz a few weeks ago: "I don't like Dutchies, they can be handler aggressive."
Haz: "Look at my new Dutchie!"
It's true though they can be Handler aggressive. It's also true that I love dutches because they have working line GSD in them which is why they are so much more sizable than a regular dutchie. Actually I should call them X herders because they are not Dutch Shepherds. The knpv line of dogs uses a mixture of all three breeds.
Lol I was thinking the same , but for him is ok he can handle them . They’re not good for us.
“ I want bruises before I go to bed”Lol, 😂what’s wrong with some ppl?My GSD is my gangsta 😂Freaks eh?My husband see a new bruise and don’t care anymore 😂
@@primalcritters More than than herders in some lines. Mali and dutchie are basically the same breed(they were used to be considered the same back in the day). Some lines have apbt and mastiffs in their blood.
@@dogman2772 yes I know this. Apbt has been mixed in I am aware. It just makes me laugh when people think they have a purebred Malinois that is almost 100 lb and very muscled with a large head. I always tell people no that's not a purebred malinois. Better than a purebred malinois! People get extremely offended though insisting they have a purebred malinois. They don't get the whole point of knpv dogs. I actually think they should just start calling them X herders as they do overseas. Purebred Malinois will be very slim dogs with narrow muzzles and fine bones. The dogs working in police and military are not this. They are very selectively bred mutts essentially. I say mutts in the best way
I recall that video and I think he's just challenging his abilities if you will
...and his challenging in his own self and his own skill... I don't think he's being a hypocrite in the sense of what he said ....it's like someone that doesn't want to plateau in their career when they're able to... and don't want to ride their niche of expertise dry...I think Haz loves what he does..and this shows it.
I think you should send him off to Zak George to be revolutionarily trained and see how fast Zak loses multiple limbs
Lmao
lol. He would run if he saw Mace lmao
Oh boy that would be an entertaining video to watch
I think the same of my corso. He is a truly badass gangster (as Haz says haha) who takes his protection work more seriously than anything else in life. Positive reinforcement is only half the battle with my 140 pound beast of a boy.
That comment...😂❤🙏🏻🦋 I am positive...but balanced training is always best or use methods which work on certain dogs. I can't understand why someone can think that positive training is everything. 😅
As a Dutch person Haz giving Mace commands in Dutch brings me joy😂 Mace is a badass
Really like Mace's presence and confidence. He is a stunning dog.
Something that helped me understand my dutchie was a documentary by Jim and Jamie Dutcher about their work in Yellowstone with wolves. Their last name is not a joke.
Omg I saw that. Was fantastic.
Awesome dog. I must admit after 20 plus years of working dogs im over unpredictable dogs. I like mine stable these days. I always find even when you get a dog like this to a working stage it’s always in the back of your mind if you’re going to be taken out. There’s nothing worse then having to pussyfoot around an unpredictable reactive dog. (This is just my personal opinion)
With unpredictability, it's not me that I worry about. It's variables I can't control like other people and dogs. The legal liability is so high these days.
@@jfkst1 that's a good point its more the other people who have unrealistic expectations
Agreed
Haz got this dog as a challenge. All the other dogs Haz sells are stable. This one is a fun project.
You must be a small man. You better eat and workout to get some muscles. If you look like a bitch then they’ll treat you like one. If you look like the terminator, he’ll respect you!
This dog reminds me of a friends dog. He was a solid black german shepherd all working lines (Troll Fero if not mistaken) and he was a schutzhund 1 when he got him and his previous owner (an older gentleman) got rid of him because the dog sent him to the hospital and he was afraid of him. I worked with this dog as a decoy a couple of times and it was scary, when you saw him in the field you knew he was meaning business, dominance and aggression was the order of the day. I never turned my back on him for a second. My friend did a couple of trials with him and he did great (One of the German judge at the trial wanted to buy the dog on the spot) until one day the dog tuned against him while he was training the blind search and sent him to the hospital. He finally sold it to another guy who was also an experienced dog trainer. I never heard of the dog after. This dog was awesome, big boned. solid head and a very good in tracking but was unpredictable and handler aggressive. My friend was a professional dog trainer at the time and a good schutzhund competitor but i think this dog was a couple levels over his abilities and knowledge at the time.
I wish you best of luck with your new dog!!
interesting story. Thank you for sharing it. I think there is a big difference between a dog who is unpredictable to most trainers - but with a good enough trainer the triggers are actually clearly there (which I think will be the case here) and dogs who have a screw loose, with a genuine mental instability. In both cases you can be just unlucky, e.g. one day you slip and fall on the dog, or whatever, and end up very badly injured. A chance you take with such a dog.
@@rottweilertrainingUK My pleasure i am glad that you find it interesting.
Yeah, he sounds like a really awesome dog...
This is great. This is exactly what we layman want to see/learn - how you establish a relationship with a dog like this.
Wonderful! Real dog meets real trainer. Very much looking forward to watching you two come together. Thanks Haz for the solid content! 😁👍
Perfect comment Real AF on both sides, you look in either of their eyes and it's clear they are both Alpha. I freaking love binging on his channel.
You can tell he likes working with you. Mace is an amazing dog, I can't wait to see his progression ♥️ 🐾
Haz this is 🔥🔥🔥. This is some foreal behind the scenes of having a dog like this and the little things that are actually training that a regular dog would let go by because it’s not even a thing. It would be awesome if we could catch as much as you could give us with this dog! Thanks and blessings
Not ready for kids but much potential for learning and directing that energy
This series is amazing everyone on the edge of their seats so classic!!!
This is so interesting, can’t wait to see the progression
I have a couple of Belgian Malinois cross puppies, and I can see & hear the natural aggression in their play with each other, but Mace seems like his aggression is coming more from fear and insecurity... from abuse.
Makes perfect sense.
I loved watching this. Can't wait to see more videos in this series with Mace.
Same very cool and very interesting hope no more issues with memory cards.
Wow awesome… could feel your confidence in Video.
Love from Scotland 🏴
What a stunning dog I wish i had the skill to work with him
16:00 A wagging tail means the dog is enjoying themselves, we often mistake that for friendliness. Working dogs don't just enjoy their work, they love it. Nothing makes them happier than their work. Keep that in mind when thinking of getting a working line dog. This dog obviously loves his job and you are working to help him understand what his job is.
"good news for you Mace! I'm a positive only trainer" meanwhile Mace: 👹🦷😈😈 at the gate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Awww he's lovely. I'd love a dog like him.
Look at those eyes! Dude is in "the zone!"
Those little teeth are called incisors. We just had a dog at the vet having four removed (3 upper, one lower) after a training accident.
I have a 2 year old Dutch been training with him since I got him at two months old he is a lot of work at times but he is a really good boy.
Great series. Would really like to see you include how you put a collar/muzzle on him. Thanks
Your Dutch is coming along nicely as well 😆
I’d love seeing more content on Dutch Shepards!!
Purchased a protection trained Belgian Malinois. He was kennel aggressive. He’d be worked with every day but as soon as he was put back in his kennel he would regress back to aggression. This went on for over a month. Had to return him to the breeder/trainer, my son is autistic and I didn’t feel comfortable with the amount of aggression that was seen. The breeder did say that one of his police officers was experiencing the same with another of his dogs.
C’est un chien très intéressant. J’admire votre travail.
Finally, you are getting familiar with the REAL DOGS from KNPV. No disrespect.
"hopefully no one goes to the hospital"...famous last words
Badass name for a badass dog.
Great dog, yes indeed he's a monster. Excellent commentary as well - thanks for sharing the insights on the dogs.
Gotta love the honesty....This very good prospect is a alert at all times when youre with him one,time doesnt exist when you have him along youre side probably😅...hopefully you manage to title him at the highest levels
I’m very excited to see the progression and how you problem solve with him and how he works through his issues.
i always had APBT and everything I fed him was weighed. I tried to keep my animals within 5% of their ideal wgt.
Isn’t Tom Davis’s dog that’s just a marvel of training also one of these? His is just a sweetheart..genetics is a real tossup..yeah, environment and training too..arg, my memory sucks, what’s her name..dang..oh..Lakota..!
15:25 Mace be like: I want to eat his face, but he seems good.
The James Brown scream at around 2:20 >>>>>> favorite part of the video lol
These dogs are like having a loaded gun..they have to be watched constantly depending on how he was trained..when they think for themselves you better hope they are intelligent enough to know who's a real threat..THEY ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE
Ah-maccccing! Lol I love your confidence and calmness. You can tell you do this religiously 🫠
Great video Haz. Just remind me to NEVER get a Dutch Shepard. lol 🙂
Look at you positive reinforcement guy 😂
Funny how you hear the Dutch word 'zit'. You also come across it in the military and police around the world.
Not sure if this would help for the memory card, but there is software out there that can be used to potentially recover data from a corrupted memory card.
You're by far the most lovely decoy I've ever witnessed I love it the scream always gets me
What a great video. Thanks Haz! Fantastic dog too.
Big boy jeez.. my female Dutch from day one as a puppy resource garded. Your right it’s in there genetics
I want a dutchie and I want one like this but I don’t want to get a 2-3 year old one. I want to get a pup and I know it’s a crap shoot as to whether they grow into what you want but you can get a decent idea if you know what you’re doing. That’s the only way I’d want one. I think it’s the only way to build the kinda bond you need to truly be safe and comfortable with each other
Now that's a proper protection/working dog ! 🐶 Would love to see weekly videos of him and how you work with a dog that intense. Snaggletooth Fur Missile
It’s amazing to watch how a dog, that would be put down for aggression in most shelters, is being transformed into formidable protector by a true professional. I’m learning so much from your videos, keep on the good work.
This is my type of dog. I've had dogs since a kid my only exp.
LOL I LOVE him!!!! If he was avaliable in Australia omg my kind of dog I am nuts yes indeed. I would love to see Victoria stillwill train this dog LMAO!!!
Really looking forward to more videos of Mace. Keep us updated Haz!
He’s beautiful!
My rescue was the same way. 30 days of strait getting attacked . Never punched just wrestled . Ming attacked his first 2 owners . I can tell you these dogs are not for the weak of mind or heart. He would have gave my last rescue bear a run for his money . Bear was wolf, blue nose pit and German Shepard . These dogs need a lot of attention and love to work . Love them or hate them they are beautiful dogs .
That dog is going to eat you and your lunch Haz 😂😂😂😂😂😂, gifton from Kenya here, i would like to own a facility like yours one day,
Wow he is so spicy! Please be careful! Can't wait to watch his progression!!
Enjoyed this, looking forward to seeing how it goes
Nice video but nice to see he is learning each time. For sure he has a nice civil shepherd in his blood for sure. Which is good for guarding purpose
Thanks for posting, I'm thinking about a herder
2:19 Dutch guy says: "kijk uit dat hij er niet af schiet he" which translates: "watch out he doesn't come lose ey"... I'm a dutchy myself XD
sukkel
Hee im the old owner of the dog intrained him From heen hè was a puppy, till 15 months, because i had a surgery in my knees i lost the dog, its realy Nice to see Some video’s of Mike, i think you do really well to contact With, Maybe we can stay in touch
For sure we can email us at shieldk9dogs@gmail.com. we will enjoy training him
What an amazing specimen! How much does he weigh? He looks really big!
2:19 " Kijk uit da' 'ie er nie af schiet heeeee" loved hearing my motherlanguage on this channel
I thought I watched a show why not to get one! That's bad ass how you bite test. Great channel!
Very cool looking forward to the updates with Mace.
"I wanna see some gangster dogs" lol. 😅
Dude you have your hands full let's be honest here. Patience and time is key here.
great dog
Great video! I'd love to meet you to talk dogs and train.
I thought this video was very educational, both to the public, but more so to professional dog trainers. Watching a video of a great trainer like Haz, working with a dog way out of my league, makes me feel very humble. Even though it may not be the type of dog the vast majority of trainers specializes in, regardless there is so much learning to be done.
Personally I find it sad that there are not more self professed force free trainers (who use plenty of force in their own way, much of it very detrimental and confusing to the average dog, who being a good soul just gets on with it) who are willing to learn from content such as this. The basis of trust and having a partnership with a dog is important, and we see the first steps here, but it is not the entire answer. More and more, particularly as tools are removed, people need to understand there are some dogs that are not safe little angels who simply need a few more cookies to be a good boy. This dog has as much of a right to live and enjoy life as any other dog - in the right hands where he is safely handled. The answer is not management and medication, but trained with someone with an appropriate skillset, one sadly in Europe is becoming demonised.
Love it
great vid, whats your opinion on some of these attacks on families that had dogs for 5+ years? thankks!
Imagine spending thousands on a protection dog and having it maul you. Honestly dogs like this probably attack their handler far more often than they ever protect them.
A very strong and dominate male who knows the game.
How do you get a leash, collar or muzzle on these type of dogs?? I’d love to see a video of getting him out the van etc etc.
I’m guessing just via a catch pole?
I also wonder how they transport those fuckers. Maybe a catchpole yes. But if you have a really strong dog, you better hold on tight.
Looking forward to follow Mace journey 😎
Seems more like a wolf than a dog
fantastic!
they are like wolves
I guess you could say he has a-mace-ing bite grips
Kool dog, a but too much for me though. Good luck with everything, can't wait to see an update in the near future and see how good of a dog he'll turn out to be.
"Extra-stupid" 😂😂
Do u use hard stick instead of a leash for these kind of dogs?
Wow --- incredible & handsome dog
GOD BLESS YOU. A TRAINER WITH YOUR EXPERTISE, Will have no problem with this dog to perform the way you train him! WHAT ‘regular non trainer dog people’ can’t see here is THIS DOG IS TRAINABLE and HAS A BRAIN! Where some dogs (people that don’t know anything and get ‘crazy’ dogs) they are NO BRAINS (don’t think about the situation) THEY JUST REACT! Can’t wait to see your follow up videos!
How large is Mace?
Maces dad was a wolf. His mom was half wolf. 😂
Damn haz wants that smoke
I’m getting a female dutch from a breeder this week she 1 and a half has a turn off switch but they say she may not be good with other dogs do you think she would be trainable?
Really nice dog
Can I ask a serious question…what are your dogs avg weight when it 3/4 Mals and 1/4 D Shepards…I always loved the Mals at their 60lb class-never thought about a Mal/Shepard hybrid-
I have Dutch x Mal , at two years old he is 32kg.
Was mace your more aggressive dog
But is it really ALL dutchies? I'm looking at a breeder here in France that breeds working dutchies for herding. As an aspiring farmer I'd love to have a dutchie for herding and this is the only breeder I found breeding for those qualities (as opposed to ring sports). In fact she says she only sells pups that will go to farms. Is it possible that her dutchies also have these sorts of traits that you speak about, like trying to control their environment and so on?
I think the herding lines are a bit better. Maybe see if you can talk to people who have had dogs from them for a while?
If she breeds for herding, I assume a decent amount don't qualify for this work (always dogs in the litter that don't work well). So does she keep those dogs or still sell them to farmers?
I Like him :) a LOT !!!!
Your Dutch is funny 🤪 nice Hollandse herder btw
I just got a Hsd mix and I’m so curious…. He bites hard!
I have a Dutch/MAL
Nice Oscars. I used to breed them when i was a young fella.
He's beautiful! But-too spicy for me!!! Good luck with him and be careful.
wow, i hope you don't get hurt. good luck!