I'm pretty sure that's what Magnus the Red calls The Corpse Emperor in What If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device... and the rest of Chaos for that matter.
The journo is also misreading Rogue Trader too with the silly satire arguement. The game even allows you to rationalize an exterminatus to prevent a world falling to Chaos with the Imperium dogmatic choice.
Iirc, there is an option to rescue a bunch of people who fell to chaos, and they were presented as pretty innocent, but if you rescued them, they would become a Chaos outbreak on your ship?
@@Xahnel Yeah your Ordo Xenos Interrogator companion warns you about evacuating the civilians and he turns out right when some of them are Chaos cultists blending in on your ship.
@@xtremeranger30 Honestly, that's sort of the microcosm that proves the whole "bUt ItS sAtIrE" thing wrong. It would be satire if the Inquisitor was wrong, and saving the civilians caused no issues, and his paranoia wasn't completely justified. But he was right. And that's what happens every time. The imperium does some whack ass shit, you think they're being unjustly cruel, then you learn the why, and realize "I guess they had a point." And that just keeps happening until you're flooded with examples and you just sort of adopt the position of "it's a shitty life, but they don't act like that without cause".
Quoting Sargon is beyond cringe and doesn’t the imperium eat corpse paste everyone is bad even the humans the closest we have to a good guy are the tau lmao and they suck
@@kibi8311 corps starch is the emergency emergency ration. Nobody wants to eat but in the cases of hive cities you take what you can get. And it’s not like they kill people to make it it’s recycled from people who die of other stuff. Yes, cannibalism is horrible but war makes people do horrible things. I’ve never seen people freak out and say Zeff from one piece is a cannibal because he ate his own leg they treat it as one of the most bad ass aspects of the character. Also you are free to opt out of identifying as human in the matter of fictional setting but don’t act like you’re mentally superior when the rest of us go “I am a human so humanity are the good guys” This is be we can separate ourselves from the morals of our time and accept that they are doing the best they can with their given circumstances.
Ive read codexes and new and old material, old as in first codexes, and truth is that "it was always satire" is a huge pile of crap, 40k morphs into whatever shit they want it to be, and they seem to have settled on some stupid and "serious and grimdark" shit, thats actualy just stupid in a lot of ways that often makes no sense.
The Imperium is 1000% an authoritarian dictatorship, let’s be honest. It would be a comically evil villainous faction in any other setting except for this one where it’s up against literal demons and hordes of aliens bent on universal genocide.
40K can be satire but for it to work the writers need to play it 100% straight. Even in Ciaphas Cain the comedy comes not from the setting but Cain having bad luck and a self-mocking pov while fighting things that can kill space marines. What they truly hate about 40k the good and heroic characters show values they do not agree with or get in their way.
IMO it was black comedy, which overlaps with satire but isn't exactly the same. 40k isn't trying to deliver a message about things being bad, it's assuming you recognize it as bad so you can laugh in a "thank god that's not me" way.
The Imperium aren't good guys, but they are the "good guys" of the setting based on the fact that they're the only faction that actually wants to preserve humanity, even if they're forced to go to extreme lengths to do it.
Good guys is a bit of stretch, "main characters" undeniably since they''re the prominant and most marketed faction next to Chaos. Being a guy who got into the hobby in 2004 where the Tau were fresh and presented as Star Trek kind of "good guys" and how everyone else had such a response to that was quite the experience.
@curtislangdon8294 Eh, agree to disagree. Considering what their up against, I'd argue that most of the time the Imperium's actions are justified. It just helps highlight how effed up the 40k universe is, that a faction as horrible as the Imperium is humanity's best hope for survival.
@thomas777803 Humanity could survive under the Tau Empire fine, since unlike everyone else, the Tau don't believe in unilateral genocide for everything that isn't them (Orks and Tyanids being notable exceptions). Humanity would lose their identity as the dominant force in the galaxy for sure in that context, but would that really be so bad compared to letting the Imperium spiraling down to implosion after implosion? That's also overlooking the fact that Chaos is as powerful as it has become because of the Imperium, not in spite of it.
@@curtislangdon8294 The Tau aren't a real player in the Great Game. The imperium ceding to the Tau would mean a massive power loss for the forces opposed to chaos. It would be the doom of not only humanity, but everything that isn't Chaos, Ork, or Tyranid. Stop fanboying so hard, you are making the rest of us look bad.
@@curtislangdon8294I doubt humanity would survive under the tau empire. If the tau did manage to take over the galaxy, they'd be a minority in their own empire. More than likely the ethereals would go on a mass sterilization campaign of humanity to slowly replace them with more reliably loyal tau. Even then the Tau are not going to be able to take over the galaxy as they stand now.
And we all know it, even them. That’s why you see them defending chaos and bugs constantly. They just hate all that the imperium and mankind stand for. They’re just evil, things get very easy to understand once you realize that
Do you not get the point? they dont have to commit such atrocities. i really like the way the writer of the night haunter books put it. "thats the recurring theme running through virtually every piece of fiction for the franchise: none of these evils are truly necessary. They're just the path of least resistance." 40k is satire, with some more serious aspects, but in general if you dont also see the ridculousness of 40k that is always present, you arent getting the inteded message from the authors.
@@tomobrouns8586 Even if they don’t have to, most of the time they’re just desperate, broken and lost. Their actions are not written the way they are bc haha dumb guy violence. Their whole existence is tragic and horrible, that’s just what life is en wh40k
I personally find it absolutely disgusting. From what I understand, she was a child when she left Russia. Not that that actually matters, of course. Being Russian doesn't make her evil.
Doesn't make them good guys, but it makes them the guys we root for anyway as we're Human, so we'd want the Humans to survive, and if the Emperor did actually die and the Throne fail well everyone's screwed then. SO as evil as the Imperium can be it's a neccessity to keep it going, for Humanity's survival and the survival of all.
@@TheZamaron The thing is they're aren't even necessarily evil by choice as much as necessity. I look at the 40k galaxy as a sort of "Grimdark Forest" scenario where everything and everyone is trying to kill the others. It's genocide or be genocided and you cannot have peace in such as setting as doing so is tantamount to surrender. Between that and the threat of chaos and threats from within and the paranoia that the Imperium has is fully justified. Its flaws are just another part of the thematic "grim dark" of the setting where even the guardians of humanity are deeply flawed individuals and have adopted the opposite of blackstone's formulation. That it's better to let 10 innocent men be burned at the steak as heretics than to let 1 actual heretic go free because that one heretic could doom an entire planet down the line. It's a galaxy where we have to abandon pretty much every principle of freedom and liberty JUST to stave off extinction for another week. That's not satire, that's horror.
Also Rogue Trader despite the bugs and etc (and most were fixed by now) is probably one of the best Warhammer games we had so far, at least by the nature of it being a first real Warhammer RPG. And in terms of gameplay and etc it was basically on the same level as other Owlacat games, which were all good RPGs with buggy launches. And it does not say "Imperium is bad", it creates an opportuinity to see both good and bad and make your own decision, and it really hammers home the "ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT GOOD EITHER" with Chaos or super-arrogant eldar. Iconoclast is kinda more "humane" but it is also not the best if you consider how seceding and locking your own little slice of paradise essentially leaves anybody outside of it in even worse state than before.
there's a line in RvB from one of the later seasons and the end of it is simply perfect for this "When faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable"
Communists whenever a good game isn't trying to be a subversive commentary about real world politics or the very IP the game is based on- "STOP HAVING FUN"
Are the communists in the room with us right now? I swear, people throw that term around like there are actual communists with any sort of influence around. Spoiler: there isn't. It's a "Boogie man" to deflect from personal and educational shortcomings, and a tactic used by the far right to "other" people so they can direct unnecessary anger towards people and groups they feel threatened by. There are far more logical criticisms available than labeling anyone you don't like as a communist. It's the same as the far left labeling anyone they don't like as Nazi's.
*games being made to be fun, not made to be morally superior and try to teach it's players like they were children* "journalists": Well on the subject of HERESY!
And here I do want a battlefield style game with Warhammer where you play as guard,tau, or traitor guard, with the nids coming it every now and then and just smashing everything.
We know it's hopium but i'd want that with eventually every faction. Imagine fighting tyranids as a craftworld eldar in the middle of Iyanden, the damocles crusade, god emperor, the istvaan massacre!
"Are you suggesting the moral decision is to destroy 3 whole planets?" I mean, these are the kind of people who have literally stated "America isn't worth saving", so why wouldn't that malicious defeatism work its way into their literary analysis?
I always feel they’ve missed a step with the Raven Guard and their successors. For being the descendants of “The Liberator” who grew up with a slave population he freed, none of them seem to have taken this to heart, instead being generic psycho space marines. It could actually be interesting having Raven Guard and their successors trying to stay true to Corax’s dream in a nightmare society, but I can’t think of a time when it’s happened.
@@jamiekay4210 good thing nobody tried to do that. The point of the article that you and this RUclipsr missed isn’t that that power fantasy is bad, it’s that the 40K universe is so much deeper and interesting than just swinging chain swords smashin bugs
I think i just has an apifiny: these people (games journalists, movie journalists, etc) can't understand nuance. They think titas isn't fighting back because the writers want to show him as accepting orders. They can't understand that you can show how someone feels by what they DONT do. Seriously, I think that is it. They think titas not telling the squad his backstory as him not WANTING to tell the backstory. They are so used to expressing themselves openly and screaming into the sky that they can't even comprehend the idea of stoicism or introspection. It has to be outspoken for them to belive it. Make a lot of sense too. They don't see Titas as questioning orders because it does not show him getting into a yelling match with the captain on the bridge, like every movie that they DO understand. For example, poe fighting the the admiral in the last jedi, or spock and Kirk arguing in startrek remakes, or the constant 'did that really just happen?' Quirps in modern games. They can't comprehend feeling an emotion or belief and NOT making their voice heard. (Sorry for typos. On phone)
I was thinking “that’s sounds like how Warhammer goes, grimdark, nobodies good, pseudo-evil (very debatable topic) empire. But when you said “yeah that’s not the point of the game, it’s just a splatterhouse ” I got it fully. Was worried I’d have to debate Raven, ain’t ready for a challenge like that, great vid
I remember Warhammer in its earliest days. I didn't bother with it. i couldn't afford it. that was that. Then a few years ago I met a guy at work who was really into it. We talked about it. The VERY FIRST thing he told me was "Everyone is assholes. Everyone is the bad guy. So which group of assholes do you want to learn about first?" That everyone is evil is the part I find most interesting. And the lore has changed a ton since back in the day.
@@kingleech16 It was never the focus. Just because some comical characters made appearances doesn't mean the setting itself was satirical. Per Priestly, the creator of WH40K, it wasn't made as a satire, but just as a way to put Warhammer Fantasy into a Sci-Fi setting.
Post 8th the satire argument was truly dead, but it was getting beaten to a pulp right around the time they made it a 'serious setting' in 3rd edition and Black Library started really ramping up the novels they were putting out.
@@Wyqno Things like the administratum and arbiters were and still are satire of aspects of modern life. And for some reason Bretonnia remains the only purely satirical faction, probably because they are French.
Every crazy journo - " How dare you gamers have a fun game! How dare you enjoy a game with no political push! And how dare the developer step away from demoralizing pushes and create something fun and good for the toxic cis racist white male gamers!" We need more devs and games like this that just wants to deliver FUN ONLY which is the whole point of a VIDEOGAME.
40k isn't satire, this why a lot of people don't get 40k, and if it was its doing a very poor job at it because everything is so on the nose (the setting, the factions, the reasoning why all fight an endless war, etc.) unlike seires like The Boys or South Park. Case and point ghazghkull name was based around margaret thatcher name, now does that anything with the orks, no. As the setting goes their are no "good guys" in 40k. Plus if these people know the setting as they claim to be then surely they would about the nids with their Genestealer cults, the Tau empire trying to gaslight everyone and claim their the better empire despite they had to become the imperium because the universe wants to kill them, the Eldar want to reclaim the once empire and the Necrons want to wipe out all life the universe (To name a few).
A lot of people don’t want acknowledge the fact that it isn’t satire anymore. They DONT WANT TO. That would make it seem like there are values and stories out of they’re ideological control. The resurrection of the lion (for example) has no satire in it, and everyone knows it, it’s not about not getting it, it’s about not wanting to get it
I've never bought the "satire" argument for 40k. The entire setting was made to justify the endless war for the tabletop game. It was bleak and dark, and people only started arguing that it was satire after they were criticised for making the Imperium look good. It's never really been satire, it's just Grim Dark. And that's a good thing.
their ideology forbids them from not looking at something through a political lens, so in order for them to enjoy it they HAVE To think of it as "satire" rather than a variation of the Dark Forest hypothesis.
@@nottodisushttoagen1309 TBf one can see 40K as satire of a neofascist theocracy, especially given Britain and its history with hyper religious leaders anx whatnot
@@chrisdiokno5600 "neofacist" is a rather meaningless term tbh. And I don't see how it's satire when the theocracy serves an essential purpose in universe of staving off chaos. The extremism is a necessity and the corruption is just a part of the grim darkness of the setting.
All that talk about "the actual meaning behind the story and setting" and this would be the same type of mf who would ban original Fallout creator Tim Cain for saying critique of capitalism was never the point of the game and yell death of the author and subjective interpretation are also valid
I actually really want to hear this writer's opinion on the other factions like Tau and the Dark Eldar. Just from their takes on the Imperium I think it would be quite elucidating about the writer's view of WH40K as a whole.
The fact that Warhammer 40k is a hot mess of ALL factions being evil is part of the charm, and why the few good people like the Salamanders (I think it's the Salamanders) and Ciaphas Cain, among a few others, stand out that much more.
If warhammer is satire, how come every time some leftist tourist outlines the horrible things that the Imperium does, they're immediately forced to give a caveat about the EVEN WORSE THINGS that will happen if the bad thing isn't done? Like, I can only name one group that has a majority of people doing awful shit just because they are comedy villians, and that's the Imperial nobility. Sure, there are _some_ inquisitors that act like that, but not the majority. _Some_ Astartes chapters are lunatics, but not the majority. The Imperium of Man might seem mad from the outside, but writers keep justifying the madness and cruelty with true, if utilitarian, reasons. That's not parody. The outside world is just so batshit that these behaviors become more and more reasonable the more you learn. The days of Obiwan Sherlock Clusaeu hankering after genestealer booty are long dead and gone.
@@Xahnel Do you truly believe the only way humanity could thrive in the 42nd millennium is as an anti-technological progress hyper fascist religious dictatorship? That’s what the Imperium believes so of course they can justify their actions through that lens, that doesn’t mean it’s the abject reality.
Gotta love another gaming journalist trying to insert their own agenda into games. I might not be into space marines and Warhammer but I do see a lot of hope in it.
People that act like worshippers of Slaanesh don't get Space Marine 2 and call the Emperor a corpse on a throne. I for one am shocked, flabbergasted even. Brother, would you mind passing me the heavy flammer?
I got into 40k when I saw total biscuit do a "lore in 1 minute" video for another channel on it, which then had me watch his review of space marine, which then had me watch him and Incontrol playing a DND like tabletop game. Rest in peace to them both. From there I just started watching long lore videos from a bunch of different guys.
Brother as a fellow dark angel i am looking forward to your story of the fallen and the child,seeing space marines contemplate their own humanity is one of my favorite subjects,i hate how so many people pay so much attention to solely the bad aspects of space marines and completely ignore the ones that go against the grain,one of my favorite stories is of sapphon the high chaplain of the dark angels and how he goes out of his way to be a true spiritual and moral guide within the unforgiven,more specifically in a story where he and a team of deathwing are on a planet and find a group of people scrounging for food and the deathwing want to execute them for being outisde after curfew,sapphon doesn't allow this and shows his brothers how they're merely trying their best to survive and killing them would go against everything they were made to do,be the defenders of humanity and the imperium,sorry for the long post and to anyone who read everything thank you for your time 😊
Hey Raven, Since Transformers is more up my alley, I may end up watching that Linsey Ellis video essay about Mikaela and I'll tell you if its accurate or not (my gut is saying that is a bunch of malarky though.)
I'll quote The Emperor here, Emphasis mine: "They are my bulwark against terror, they are THE DEFENDERS OF HUMANITY, they are my space marines, and they shall know no fear." Defenders of humanity.Yeah, some chapters don't live up to it, but the Ultramarines, Salamanders, Blood Angels, Lamenters, and Space Wolves all DO. They. Are. HEROES. They protect humanity and act on behalf of it's anger towards those who would harm them.
The Grey Knights are also incorruptible because they're all psykers trained to resist the warp. There was one theory from the first game that Titus was a latent psyker
The funny thing about the satirical/power fantasy side of games is that games like the Ace Combat franchise embraces this, yet also tells a story that while secondary to the gameplay, is still fascinating. Hell, the world in which in which this whole franchise (at least the numbered games) takes place in is literally called Strangereal. It's the dumbest name for a world ever, yet it works. It embraces the theatrical, campy, and fantasy side of aerial dogfighting that was inspired by Top Gun and succeeds.
Imperium might not be good guys in the abstract sense, but they are definitely one of the least-bad guys. Nids, Necrons and Chaos are all vastly worse both in their ultimate goals and in sheer scale of damage caused. Taken in that context, if you’re playing a game as imperium versus any of those guys you are definitely the “good” guy.
I just want to point out that Titus was never cast out of the Ultramarines Leandros handing him to the inquisition seemingly without approval from the chapter master. Calgar himself says he was furious when he found out. But with the inquisition not being forthcoming they likely had no idea where he even was. Titus assumed they had abandoned him so that's why he became black shield and as soon as they found him they brought him back into the fold
Indeed. One of the things that made me angry was when we find out that Leandros is the Chaplain. It doesn't seem right that, if Calgar was so angry at what happened to Titus, he would allow Leandros that promotion. But my thought is that he either: A.) Couldn't stop the promotion even if he wanted to, so he allowed it, but relegated Leandros to purely a battle barge position, unable to get the glory in battle he craves, which is what leads to his resentment of Titus even today. B.) He deliberately allowed Leandros to be promoted specifically as a punishment. To turn him into the very thing he'd become: a sycophantic Emperor botherer who could no longer have promotion or reach beyond his station. But again, that's just my speculation.
The article might work if SM2 was about putting down a human rebellion. It’s not though, you’re fighting a defensive war against an enemy that wishes to consume all organic life in the galaxy. The tyranids aren’t some misunderstood animal, they’re monsters.
I feel like I read this article I'll watch and comment to confirm if it is and isn't. Yep it's the one I read hated thought it was a trash article if you guys find it read the comments most are perfect. Also this was a really good video.
Damn man, you are the first youtuber that I came across in a long time with not only a good moral compass but also a good argumentative skills and you're into 40k and For Honor aswell?! Guess I got to subscribe now.
Good Emperor, the people saying that 40K today is mainly satire, and you cant like the Imperium, are the same people who think the Starship Troopers movie is satire (imo, its a failed satire).
It is, the actual book is a hyper right wing Star Trek. The bugs are commies and the mobile infantry are one of the first depictions of power armor complete with nuclear weapons.
@@azairecummings7049 Considering it's satarizing something completely different than the book I'd say that's a failed satire. It's like saying "Harry Potter is a satire of Star Trek"
@azairecummings7049 I just said it's FAILED satire. Satire usually means you must have elements of the thing your satirizing, beyond a bloody trenchcoat.
@@dr.calibrations7984 A. It’s not failed if the direct himself said the movie serves a different purpose then the book and B. The book isn’t a satire the author was completely serious and in favor of everything he wrote
It's almost like we're sick of looking for and labeling things with 'deeper meaning' and just want to sit down with our bros and cut some bugs in half, and have some fun. Who cares? For the Imperium! And Custodes were always all men!
no they werent its canon there have always been female custodians. if you dont like such a minor retcon you must also hate primarchs, which are also a retcon, and think that female space marines exist, who were also retconned out of existece
@@chrisdiokno5600 And the Boy Scouts can now have girls in it. Just because it 'can' do something, doesn't mean it should. Stopping the 'bitching' and just 'moving on' is how things will get worse until what you love is no longer recognizable for why you loved it in the first place. So glad when this woke shit dies in the dumpster.
He talks about black satire and sure there was a lot of goofy satirical shit in the original edition called rogue trader but the franchise has been taking itself more seriously for over 20 years.
They don't want to admit that the days of Obiwan Sherlock Clussaeu are dead and gone, and the setting is getting more genuine each year. Warhammer 40k is not parody. It is the story of a desperate society in its 11th hour holding back the clock from striking midnight by any means.
@@Xahnel I can sorta see it as a parody of an ultrafascist theocratic society. IE where people aren't allowed to be scared, and doing so on the battlefield is likely to get you executed
The world of 40k itself has a form of irony. But apparently they missed that it plays the fact straight. Very British. The irony is that you actually are a hero. Comparatively. It’s a living narrative. Meaning its characters have to live in that world. That such a cosmically dark world exists, begs questions. And that is the point. To explore the world. Irony does not necessarily require attempted humor. It does not require explanation of the meta narrative. Especially not within the narrative. It requires itself to form a cohesive narrative, and to play within it. The fact that you can see through the eyes of a Space Marine, and be that. To walk among the bones and ashes. And see what that would be. And to fight to die for an eternal duty, against intergalactic extinction forces. To experience tragedy and triumph, where none of the civility we know is possible. That is the objective. The simultaneous assertion that there is no unifying meta narrative like good and evil. It’s all subjective. All perspective. Yet the insistence that there is supposedly an orthodox one, we can always be faulted from appealing to properly. That is the grift here. It’s gaslighting. Whether you believe there is good and evil or not. We are here to die for the Emperor. That is this. If you want to decry -isms, that may be your wish. But it is not a good criticism, where the point is there is no one to decry such. And if there was, they’d be consumed by some nasty, or be servitorized. This world is just that horrible. To make it more obvious is not necessary. Maybe you can make a Civil Rights Space Marine Chapter yourself. And figure out why it wasn’t made Excommunicate Traitoris. Obviously it won’t be upon its superior rhetoric.
The Space Wolf in Rogue Trader is named Ulfar? Isn't that the name of the Space Wolf Deathwatch member who died in front of Titus in the opening level of the game?
As a Nurgle follower since warhammer fantasy, which I took further into 40k. Fully wholeheartedly agree with ya, a persons desire and what they seek out in a media is important (but shouldn't be the end all be all). Say I wanted to find a spacemarine chapter of fishermen, likelihood being low to none (and besides my absurd example here, is okay - nothing wrong in not getting what we want from a setting that is placed where its at.). I believe that spacemarine 2 served its purpose and message in a peerless state, it did darn well convey that re-earning Titus trust... surviving the tyranids, while unravelling the powersource, our friends within the mechanicus were using... was a bit too dangerous to use. And the aftermath of all this played out so well. I got no complaints here, just adoration. Did I seek out the political views of each faction? No. Do I see things in a situational light, based and grounded in the current situation in universe? Yes.
While i dont like the imperium i understand that they're the "good guys" of the setting but at the end of the day every faction has done some pretty fucked shit for survival or personal gain
By the love of the God Emperor and the blessing of the Machine God, and the glory of the Ruinous Power..... please don't turn whoever writing this article into a Servo Skull
This literally reads like a chaos warlord's impassioned diatribe, spewed as he fights a bunch of heroic space marines. Or just flat out propaganda from chaos.
Warhammer is Satire. But that doesn’t mean we can’t not feel like a hero. Space Marine 2 is a tiny slice of the entire Warhammer pie. There are thousands of novels, and stories that go into the satire of the universe. I think you hit the nail on the head when said that Space Marine 2 is allowing the player to live the fantasy of being a space marine
Granted, I only know about 2 percent of the lore. However, ive never seen nor read anything pointing towards satire. Yet, people keep saying that about 40k. Either I'm missing something, or they're using that word wrong.
Calling the Emperor a corpse? Sounds like heresy to me.
I'm pretty sure that's what Magnus the Red calls The Corpse Emperor in What If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device... and the rest of Chaos for that matter.
@@hariman7727 Like I said, heresy.
Indeed brother
No one calls the Big E a corpse!
Heresy and treachery! I have Friends in the inquisition. They Will know about this transgressions.
It very easy
>What is your duty?
To serve the Emperor's will!
>What is the Emperor's will?
That we fight and die!
>What is death?
It is our duty!
Nah. You stick to your precious corpse and delusions of personal grandeur, human. MY duty is to the people of my Craftworld, both dead and alive.
What is your pledge?
@@dean_l33My pledge is eternal service!
While the enemies of the Emperor still draw breath there can be no peace.
"SeRvInG a CoRpSe oN a ThRoNe" sounds like something a heretic would say
(Gray Knight chainsword reving)
He is pretty sassy for someone in eternal crusading distance.
Grey Knights don't use chainswords you alpha legionare!
@@Nightmare704RY I am alpharius
@@FANTOMMAXXNo I am Alpharius
It's a common line used by chaos cultists in rogue trader so yeah, Heresy
The journo is also misreading Rogue Trader too with the silly satire arguement. The game even allows you to rationalize an exterminatus to prevent a world falling to Chaos with the Imperium dogmatic choice.
That's btw is the morally correct choice
Iirc, there is an option to rescue a bunch of people who fell to chaos, and they were presented as pretty innocent, but if you rescued them, they would become a Chaos outbreak on your ship?
@@Xahnel Yeah your Ordo Xenos Interrogator companion warns you about evacuating the civilians and he turns out right when some of them are Chaos cultists blending in on your ship.
@@xtremeranger30 Honestly, that's sort of the microcosm that proves the whole "bUt ItS sAtIrE" thing wrong. It would be satire if the Inquisitor was wrong, and saving the civilians caused no issues, and his paranoia wasn't completely justified. But he was right. And that's what happens every time. The imperium does some whack ass shit, you think they're being unjustly cruel, then you learn the why, and realize "I guess they had a point." And that just keeps happening until you're flooded with examples and you just sort of adopt the position of "it's a shitty life, but they don't act like that without cause".
@@Xahnel I chose the morally good and reasonable answer: "We're out."
Sargon pointed it out back during the “Warhammer is for everyone” stuff. They write assuming that chaos is right.
The distributist also has a really good video on warhammer. Should watch it
😂 that jabroni? Nah he sucks
If you take Sargon seriously in any way, you've fallen for propaganda. He's a bad actor and associates with literal Nazi's.
Quoting Sargon is beyond cringe and doesn’t the imperium eat corpse paste everyone is bad even the humans the closest we have to a good guy are the tau lmao and they suck
@@kibi8311 corps starch is the emergency emergency ration. Nobody wants to eat but in the cases of hive cities you take what you can get. And it’s not like they kill people to make it it’s recycled from people who die of other stuff. Yes, cannibalism is horrible but war makes people do horrible things. I’ve never seen people freak out and say Zeff from one piece is a cannibal because he ate his own leg they treat it as one of the most bad ass aspects of the character.
Also you are free to opt out of identifying as human in the matter of fictional setting but don’t act like you’re mentally superior when the rest of us go “I am a human so humanity are the good guys” This is be we can separate ourselves from the morals of our time and accept that they are doing the best they can with their given circumstances.
14:39 As a representative of the Tyranid Hive Mind. I say we are right. If y'all didn't want to be eaten, why is everything made of food?
Why does every attack article on 40k fans sound like they are written by choas worshippers
Because they unironally are the exact sort of people who would worship Chaos. Among them, every Chaos god but Khorne has representation.
@@Xahnel*C H O A S
You're gonna set off the inquisitorial censors!
@@RedCrusader-ph2vk It's fine, I'm dating a Sororitas.
The heroes of 40k shows the values they hate or get in their way.
@@RedCrusader-ph2vk the Leandros alert
Honestly Gizmodo sounds like a chaos fanatic more than anything in this whole thing...
More like someone from Word Bearers would do to destabilize the Imperium
Or alpha legion
@@hendrikworung1967Funny enough, I was hearing Alpha legionnaire rather than Word Bearer. Too much insistence on you're wrong rather than I am right.
@@hendrikworung1967that is what the alpaha legion does, word bearers are too busy worshipping litterally deamons and shit.
@@hendrikworung1967 No, they're not that sophisticated. This is just the ramblings of a cultist.
I love how the "warhammer is satire" crowd swaps to "warhammer is fascist propaganda" the moment you question them
To be fair, it's not like GW can stick to one or the other either
@@weirdferretthing Isn't there like a civil war in the company between the black library writers?
Ive read codexes and new and old material, old as in first codexes, and truth is that "it was always satire" is a huge pile of crap, 40k morphs into whatever shit they want it to be, and they seem to have settled on some stupid and "serious and grimdark" shit, thats actualy just stupid in a lot of ways that often makes no sense.
@@ianduarte1992 Everyone who created 40K says it’s satire but okay
@@DefaultProphet Paul Verhooven says Starship troopers is fasvist, just be just because thjey say doesnt mean its right or that it makes sense.
Yes, let's focus on satirizing the humans as they desperately try to fight for survival against the equivalent of space Locust.
The Imperium is 1000% an authoritarian dictatorship, let’s be honest. It would be a comically evil villainous faction in any other setting except for this one where it’s up against literal demons and hordes of aliens bent on universal genocide.
40K can be satire but for it to work the writers need to play it 100% straight. Even in Ciaphas Cain the comedy comes not from the setting but Cain having bad luck and a self-mocking pov while fighting things that can kill space marines.
What they truly hate about 40k the good and heroic characters show values they do not agree with or get in their way.
Yes. It's about destroying what was already there, not making anything better.
IMO it was black comedy, which overlaps with satire but isn't exactly the same. 40k isn't trying to deliver a message about things being bad, it's assuming you recognize it as bad so you can laugh in a "thank god that's not me" way.
@@nnelg8139 Name it what you want but it is at its best when it is played 100% straight.
Been a while since we had a good rant.
The Imperium aren't good guys, but they are the "good guys" of the setting based on the fact that they're the only faction that actually wants to preserve humanity, even if they're forced to go to extreme lengths to do it.
Good guys is a bit of stretch, "main characters" undeniably since they''re the prominant and most marketed faction next to Chaos. Being a guy who got into the hobby in 2004 where the Tau were fresh and presented as Star Trek kind of "good guys" and how everyone else had such a response to that was quite the experience.
@curtislangdon8294 Eh, agree to disagree. Considering what their up against, I'd argue that most of the time the Imperium's actions are justified. It just helps highlight how effed up the 40k universe is, that a faction as horrible as the Imperium is humanity's best hope for survival.
@thomas777803 Humanity could survive under the Tau Empire fine, since unlike everyone else, the Tau don't believe in unilateral genocide for everything that isn't them (Orks and Tyanids being notable exceptions). Humanity would lose their identity as the dominant force in the galaxy for sure in that context, but would that really be so bad compared to letting the Imperium spiraling down to implosion after implosion? That's also overlooking the fact that Chaos is as powerful as it has become because of the Imperium, not in spite of it.
@@curtislangdon8294 The Tau aren't a real player in the Great Game. The imperium ceding to the Tau would mean a massive power loss for the forces opposed to chaos. It would be the doom of not only humanity, but everything that isn't Chaos, Ork, or Tyranid. Stop fanboying so hard, you are making the rest of us look bad.
@@curtislangdon8294I doubt humanity would survive under the tau empire. If the tau did manage to take over the galaxy, they'd be a minority in their own empire. More than likely the ethereals would go on a mass sterilization campaign of humanity to slowly replace them with more reliably loyal tau. Even then the Tau are not going to be able to take over the galaxy as they stand now.
*implying the moral decision for fighting Tyranids is to blow up the planets*
Kryptman, we talked about this.
Kryptman... move your hand from the Exterminatus button, slowly. Or it gets the Bolter round.
The Imperium of Man does not commit atrocities just for the shits & giggles… *It commits atrocities because it has to, merely just to SURVIVE*
And we all know it, even them.
That’s why you see them defending chaos and bugs constantly.
They just hate all that the imperium and mankind stand for. They’re just evil, things get very easy to understand once you realize that
Do you not get the point? they dont have to commit such atrocities. i really like the way the writer of the night haunter books put it. "thats the recurring theme running through virtually every piece of fiction for the franchise: none of these evils are truly necessary. They're just the path of least resistance." 40k is satire, with some more serious aspects, but in general if you dont also see the ridculousness of 40k that is always present, you arent getting the inteded message from the authors.
Sometimes some of their members do. Because you always must have an antagonist inside of the strutucture.
Let be honest sometime it's because of shit and giggles but most of the time you're correct
@@tomobrouns8586 Even if they don’t have to, most of the time they’re just desperate, broken and lost. Their actions are not written the way they are bc haha dumb guy violence. Their whole existence is tragic and horrible, that’s just what life is en wh40k
What do you think of the slander thrown to the live action one piece actress for robin due to her original nationality?
I personally find it absolutely disgusting. From what I understand, she was a child when she left Russia. Not that that actually matters, of course. Being Russian doesn't make her evil.
@@lunerblade13 just more generic American Exeptionalism
Imperium are good guys because they are human and we had glorious Sanguinius praised be his name and eternal glory to the Angel!
Doesn't make them good guys, but it makes them the guys we root for anyway as we're Human, so we'd want the Humans to survive, and if the Emperor did actually die and the Throne fail well everyone's screwed then. SO as evil as the Imperium can be it's a neccessity to keep it going, for Humanity's survival and the survival of all.
@@TheZamaron The thing is they're aren't even necessarily evil by choice as much as necessity. I look at the 40k galaxy as a sort of "Grimdark Forest" scenario where everything and everyone is trying to kill the others. It's genocide or be genocided and you cannot have peace in such as setting as doing so is tantamount to surrender. Between that and the threat of chaos and threats from within and the paranoia that the Imperium has is fully justified. Its flaws are just another part of the thematic "grim dark" of the setting where even the guardians of humanity are deeply flawed individuals and have adopted the opposite of blackstone's formulation. That it's better to let 10 innocent men be burned at the steak as heretics than to let 1 actual heretic go free because that one heretic could doom an entire planet down the line. It's a galaxy where we have to abandon pretty much every principle of freedom and liberty JUST to stave off extinction for another week.
That's not satire, that's horror.
Also Rogue Trader despite the bugs and etc (and most were fixed by now) is probably one of the best Warhammer games we had so far, at least by the nature of it being a first real Warhammer RPG. And in terms of gameplay and etc it was basically on the same level as other Owlacat games, which were all good RPGs with buggy launches. And it does not say "Imperium is bad", it creates an opportuinity to see both good and bad and make your own decision, and it really hammers home the "ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT GOOD EITHER" with Chaos or super-arrogant eldar.
Iconoclast is kinda more "humane" but it is also not the best if you consider how seceding and locking your own little slice of paradise essentially leaves anybody outside of it in even worse state than before.
It's a real shame it didn't have nearly the same publicity bg3 did
there's a line in RvB from one of the later seasons and the end of it is simply perfect for this "When faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable"
How anyone can feel justified calling the Imperium when one factions literal motto is “LET THE GALAXY BURN” is absolutely beyond insanity.
Cadia wasn't a last stand because,
CADIA STANDS!
DIS HUMMI GOTZ DA RITE IDA
Communists whenever a good game isn't trying to be a subversive commentary about real world politics or the very IP the game is based on- "STOP HAVING FUN"
It’s worse. It’s “you can’t have fun because you and the things you enjoy shouldn’t even exist”
Are the communists in the room with us right now? I swear, people throw that term around like there are actual communists with any sort of influence around. Spoiler: there isn't. It's a "Boogie man" to deflect from personal and educational shortcomings, and a tactic used by the far right to "other" people so they can direct unnecessary anger towards people and groups they feel threatened by. There are far more logical criticisms available than labeling anyone you don't like as a communist. It's the same as the far left labeling anyone they don't like as Nazi's.
"Your enjoying life is oppressing me"
Kinda odd calling someone a communist for writing an artical on a game...
Mr McCarthy, you forgot your pills, communists are not under your bad, they can't hurt you.
*games being made to be fun, not made to be morally superior and try to teach it's players like they were children*
"journalists": Well on the subject of HERESY!
And here I do want a battlefield style game with Warhammer where you play as guard,tau, or traitor guard, with the nids coming it every now and then and just smashing everything.
We know it's hopium but i'd want that with eventually every faction. Imagine fighting tyranids as a craftworld eldar in the middle of Iyanden, the damocles crusade, god emperor, the istvaan massacre!
"Are you suggesting the moral decision is to destroy 3 whole planets?"
I mean, these are the kind of people who have literally stated "America isn't worth saving", so why wouldn't that malicious defeatism work its way into their literary analysis?
The chapter i love the most is the Lamentors for even more than the Salamanders they fight for the people.
"For Those We Cherish We Die In Glory."
I always feel they’ve missed a step with the Raven Guard and their successors. For being the descendants of “The Liberator” who grew up with a slave population he freed, none of them seem to have taken this to heart, instead being generic psycho space marines. It could actually be interesting having Raven Guard and their successors trying to stay true to Corax’s dream in a nightmare society, but I can’t think of a time when it’s happened.
Only a heretic or a genestealer would try to convince us that Titus was wrong for killing Tyranid and the Thousand Sons.
@@jamiekay4210 good thing nobody tried to do that. The point of the article that you and this RUclipsr missed isn’t that that power fantasy is bad, it’s that the 40K universe is so much deeper and interesting than just swinging chain swords smashin bugs
@@DefaultProphetyou missed the point of the article and this RUclips video.
@@GenericStatue Nah friend I just don’t have culture war blinders on
@@DefaultProphet right, just blinders in general.
@@GenericStatue Uhuh.
I think someone mentioned how fans of star wars, star trek, halo would love to live in the world. But no fan of 40k would want to live in 40k.
Unless it’s as an ork. They’re having the time of their lives.
“You got new friends now, Space Marine!”
I think i just has an apifiny: these people (games journalists, movie journalists, etc) can't understand nuance. They think titas isn't fighting back because the writers want to show him as accepting orders. They can't understand that you can show how someone feels by what they DONT do. Seriously, I think that is it. They think titas not telling the squad his backstory as him not WANTING to tell the backstory. They are so used to expressing themselves openly and screaming into the sky that they can't even comprehend the idea of stoicism or introspection. It has to be outspoken for them to belive it.
Make a lot of sense too. They don't see Titas as questioning orders because it does not show him getting into a yelling match with the captain on the bridge, like every movie that they DO understand. For example, poe fighting the the admiral in the last jedi, or spock and Kirk arguing in startrek remakes, or the constant 'did that really just happen?' Quirps in modern games. They can't comprehend feeling an emotion or belief and NOT making their voice heard.
(Sorry for typos. On phone)
I was thinking “that’s sounds like how Warhammer goes, grimdark, nobodies good, pseudo-evil (very debatable topic) empire. But when you said “yeah that’s not the point of the game, it’s just a splatterhouse ” I got it fully. Was worried I’d have to debate Raven, ain’t ready for a challenge like that, great vid
I remember Warhammer in its earliest days. I didn't bother with it. i couldn't afford it. that was that. Then a few years ago I met a guy at work who was really into it. We talked about it. The VERY FIRST thing he told me was "Everyone is assholes. Everyone is the bad guy. So which group of assholes do you want to learn about first?" That everyone is evil is the part I find most interesting. And the lore has changed a ton since back in the day.
Dude the satire of 40k was shot to death like a decade ago.
PEOPLE GOTTA STOP BRINGING UP THIS TOPIC
LIKE DUDE! Read the room.
It can still occasionally show up, but it’s certainly no longer the focus.
@@kingleech16 It was never the focus. Just because some comical characters made appearances doesn't mean the setting itself was satirical. Per Priestly, the creator of WH40K, it wasn't made as a satire, but just as a way to put Warhammer Fantasy into a Sci-Fi setting.
Post 8th the satire argument was truly dead, but it was getting beaten to a pulp right around the time they made it a 'serious setting' in 3rd edition and Black Library started really ramping up the novels they were putting out.
@@Wyqno Things like the administratum and arbiters were and still are satire of aspects of modern life. And for some reason Bretonnia remains the only purely satirical faction, probably because they are French.
This article is literally word for word those alternative meme articles that post stuff like.
“How Guillimon failed the Ork refugee crisis”
"Corps on a throne" that is heretical talk to me , the writter is a chaos worshipper
Every crazy journo - " How dare you gamers have a fun game! How dare you enjoy a game with no political push! And how dare the developer step away from demoralizing pushes and create something fun and good for the toxic cis racist white male gamers!"
We need more devs and games like this that just wants to deliver FUN ONLY which is the whole point of a VIDEOGAME.
40k isn't satire, this why a lot of people don't get 40k, and if it was its doing a very poor job at it because everything is so on the nose (the setting, the factions, the reasoning why all fight an endless war, etc.) unlike seires like The Boys or South Park. Case and point ghazghkull name was based around margaret thatcher name, now does that anything with the orks, no. As the setting goes their are no "good guys" in 40k. Plus if these people know the setting as they claim to be then surely they would about the nids with their Genestealer cults, the Tau empire trying to gaslight everyone and claim their the better empire despite they had to become the imperium because the universe wants to kill them, the Eldar want to reclaim the once empire and the Necrons want to wipe out all life the universe (To name a few).
A lot of people don’t want acknowledge the fact that it isn’t satire anymore. They DONT WANT TO.
That would make it seem like there are values and stories out of they’re ideological control.
The resurrection of the lion (for example) has no satire in it, and everyone knows it, it’s not about not getting it, it’s about not wanting to get it
@@vslv5006 that too
IIRC the guy who created Ghaz actually came out and said his name's not a reference to Maggie Thatcher.
It can be satire but it only works when everyone treat it with 100% serious.
@@randomusernameCallin Like these people who inject everything into this
I've never bought the "satire" argument for 40k. The entire setting was made to justify the endless war for the tabletop game. It was bleak and dark, and people only started arguing that it was satire after they were criticised for making the Imperium look good. It's never really been satire, it's just Grim Dark. And that's a good thing.
True. but its not entirely all gloom and doom, we still wee moments of goodness, howver small
their ideology forbids them from not looking at something through a political lens, so in order for them to enjoy it they HAVE To think of it as "satire" rather than a variation of the Dark Forest hypothesis.
@@nottodisushttoagen1309 TBf one can see 40K as satire of a neofascist theocracy, especially given Britain and its history with hyper religious leaders anx whatnot
@@chrisdiokno5600 "neofacist" is a rather meaningless term tbh. And I don't see how it's satire when the theocracy serves an essential purpose in universe of staving off chaos. The extremism is a necessity and the corruption is just a part of the grim darkness of the setting.
@@nottodisushttoagen1309 True, I mean moreso how one can see it as satire at some point, due to how extreme it is to the point it can get grimderp
All that talk about "the actual meaning behind the story and setting" and this would be the same type of mf who would ban original Fallout creator Tim Cain for saying critique of capitalism was never the point of the game and yell death of the author and subjective interpretation are also valid
Well, there’s also “Brutal Kunnin” and “Warboss” for a PROPA ORKY TAKE ON ALL DIS!
Also "Da Big Dakka" and a whole bunch of 'Da Red Gobbo' novella.
I actually really want to hear this writer's opinion on the other factions like Tau and the Dark Eldar. Just from their takes on the Imperium I think it would be quite elucidating about the writer's view of WH40K as a whole.
The fact that Warhammer 40k is a hot mess of ALL factions being evil is part of the charm, and why the few good people like the Salamanders (I think it's the Salamanders) and Ciaphas Cain, among a few others, stand out that much more.
Terry Pratchett books were satire. Did not stop them from being very charming with endearing characters.
GNU Terry Pratchett
3:24 I detect a little Heresy
The writer sounds like a follower of chaos, quite telling.
Raven, to be honest, I just got into this hobby, and my favorite faction are the Skavens. Yes please let the world be swarmed by the rats.
@@yagurainuzuka I hate to break it to you, brotherman. Skaven aren't 40k
@@RipDippler Oh my bad then
@@yagurainuzuka ne need to apologize amigo, I got my Sigmar and 40k factions mixed up when I got into the hobby too
@@RipDippler Thanks
If warhammer is satire, how come every time some leftist tourist outlines the horrible things that the Imperium does, they're immediately forced to give a caveat about the EVEN WORSE THINGS that will happen if the bad thing isn't done? Like, I can only name one group that has a majority of people doing awful shit just because they are comedy villians, and that's the Imperial nobility. Sure, there are _some_ inquisitors that act like that, but not the majority. _Some_ Astartes chapters are lunatics, but not the majority.
The Imperium of Man might seem mad from the outside, but writers keep justifying the madness and cruelty with true, if utilitarian, reasons. That's not parody. The outside world is just so batshit that these behaviors become more and more reasonable the more you learn.
The days of Obiwan Sherlock Clusaeu hankering after genestealer booty are long dead and gone.
@@Xahnel Do you truly believe the only way humanity could thrive in the 42nd millennium is as an anti-technological progress hyper fascist religious dictatorship? That’s what the Imperium believes so of course they can justify their actions through that lens, that doesn’t mean it’s the abject reality.
Emperor TTS?!
I didn't know I'll find a fellow connoisseur here. BROTHER!
Gotta love another gaming journalist trying to insert their own agenda into games. I might not be into space marines and Warhammer but I do see a lot of hope in it.
Yeah, its akin to Berserk or Dark Souls. Yes the setting is bleak, but there are people willing to stand against the darkness
Claiming Warhammer is satire is a sure sign of a tourist tbh
as clear as a Hawaiian shirt with shades, zinc on the nose and a camera around the neck.
By the nature of the lamenters being the lamenters they will never end up on Santa's nice list
"...kill in the name of a corpse on a throne" I almost spat out my coffee at such HERESY!
People that act like worshippers of Slaanesh don't get Space Marine 2 and call the Emperor a corpse on a throne. I for one am shocked, flabbergasted even. Brother, would you mind passing me the heavy flammer?
I got into 40k when I saw total biscuit do a "lore in 1 minute" video for another channel on it, which then had me watch his review of space marine, which then had me watch him and Incontrol playing a DND like tabletop game. Rest in peace to them both.
From there I just started watching long lore videos from a bunch of different guys.
Brother as a fellow dark angel i am looking forward to your story of the fallen and the child,seeing space marines contemplate their own humanity is one of my favorite subjects,i hate how so many people pay so much attention to solely the bad aspects of space marines and completely ignore the ones that go against the grain,one of my favorite stories is of sapphon the high chaplain of the dark angels and how he goes out of his way to be a true spiritual and moral guide within the unforgiven,more specifically in a story where he and a team of deathwing are on a planet and find a group of people scrounging for food and the deathwing want to execute them for being outisde after curfew,sapphon doesn't allow this and shows his brothers how they're merely trying their best to survive and killing them would go against everything they were made to do,be the defenders of humanity and the imperium,sorry for the long post and to anyone who read everything thank you for your time 😊
Hey Raven, Since Transformers is more up my alley, I may end up watching that Linsey Ellis video essay about Mikaela and I'll tell you if its accurate or not (my gut is saying that is a bunch of malarky though.)
I'll quote The Emperor here, Emphasis mine: "They are my bulwark against terror, they are THE DEFENDERS OF HUMANITY, they are my space marines, and they shall know no fear."
Defenders of humanity.Yeah, some chapters don't live up to it, but the Ultramarines, Salamanders, Blood Angels, Lamenters, and Space Wolves all DO. They. Are. HEROES. They protect humanity and act on behalf of it's anger towards those who would harm them.
The Grey Knights are also incorruptible because they're all psykers trained to resist the warp. There was one theory from the first game that Titus was a latent psyker
The funny thing about the satirical/power fantasy side of games is that games like the Ace Combat franchise embraces this, yet also tells a story that while secondary to the gameplay, is still fascinating. Hell, the world in which in which this whole franchise (at least the numbered games) takes place in is literally called Strangereal. It's the dumbest name for a world ever, yet it works. It embraces the theatrical, campy, and fantasy side of aerial dogfighting that was inspired by Top Gun and succeeds.
Imperium might not be good guys in the abstract sense, but they are definitely one of the least-bad guys. Nids, Necrons and Chaos are all vastly worse both in their ultimate goals and in sheer scale of damage caused. Taken in that context, if you’re playing a game as imperium versus any of those guys you are definitely the “good” guy.
The article is written from the point of view of a chaos marine
I just want to point out that Titus was never cast out of the Ultramarines Leandros handing him to the inquisition seemingly without approval from the chapter master. Calgar himself says he was furious when he found out. But with the inquisition not being forthcoming they likely had no idea where he even was. Titus assumed they had abandoned him so that's why he became black shield and as soon as they found him they brought him back into the fold
Indeed. One of the things that made me angry was when we find out that Leandros is the Chaplain. It doesn't seem right that, if Calgar was so angry at what happened to Titus, he would allow Leandros that promotion. But my thought is that he either:
A.) Couldn't stop the promotion even if he wanted to, so he allowed it, but relegated Leandros to purely a battle barge position, unable to get the glory in battle he craves, which is what leads to his resentment of Titus even today.
B.) He deliberately allowed Leandros to be promoted specifically as a punishment. To turn him into the very thing he'd become: a sycophantic Emperor botherer who could no longer have promotion or reach beyond his station.
But again, that's just my speculation.
Hearing what the writer of the article is saying. Found the chaos cultist.
These are the types of people that have all the sympathy in the world for villains but none for heroes.
Easily my favorite video, I swear this was comedy gold
Honestly, the satire of 40K to me is how everything is amped up to 12, so I can never take the setting 100% seriously.
The article might work if SM2 was about putting down a human rebellion. It’s not though, you’re fighting a defensive war against an enemy that wishes to consume all organic life in the galaxy. The tyranids aren’t some misunderstood animal, they’re monsters.
I feel like I read this article I'll watch and comment to confirm if it is and isn't. Yep it's the one I read hated thought it was a trash article if you guys find it read the comments most are perfect. Also this was a really good video.
Damn man, you are the first youtuber that I came across in a long time with not only a good moral compass but also a good argumentative skills and you're into 40k and For Honor aswell?! Guess I got to subscribe now.
Good Emperor, the people saying that 40K today is mainly satire, and you cant like the Imperium, are the same people who think the Starship Troopers movie is satire (imo, its a failed satire).
It is, the actual book is a hyper right wing Star Trek. The bugs are commies and the mobile infantry are one of the first depictions of power armor complete with nuclear weapons.
ST is satire just cause you can’t recognize it cause the movie plays everything straight doesn’t mean it’s failed it means you failed to pick up on it
@@azairecummings7049
Considering it's satarizing something completely different than the book I'd say that's a failed satire. It's like saying "Harry Potter is a satire of Star Trek"
@azairecummings7049 I just said it's FAILED satire. Satire usually means you must have elements of the thing your satirizing, beyond a bloody trenchcoat.
@@dr.calibrations7984 A. It’s not failed if the direct himself said the movie serves a different purpose then the book and B. The book isn’t a satire the author was completely serious and in favor of everything he wrote
I played Rogue Trader as hyper dogmatic. FOR THE EMPEROR! There was no satire.
Ahhhh, Adepta Sororitas a man of culture
My favorite faction in the setting are the word bearers, and this article sounds like chaos propaganda.
Yes another response video and great video Raven. Also, this article is so bad.
"Who are the good guys?"
Salamanders, Salamanders are good guys.
It's almost like we're sick of looking for and labeling things with 'deeper meaning' and just want to sit down with our bros and cut some bugs in half, and have some fun. Who cares? For the Imperium! And Custodes were always all men!
no they werent its canon there have always been female custodians. if you dont like such a minor retcon you must also hate primarchs, which are also a retcon, and think that female space marines exist, who were also retconned out of existece
Yes and now they can have female members. Please stop bitching about this and moveo n
@@chrisdiokno5600 And the Boy Scouts can now have girls in it. Just because it 'can' do something, doesn't mean it should. Stopping the 'bitching' and just 'moving on' is how things will get worse until what you love is no longer recognizable for why you loved it in the first place. So glad when this woke shit dies in the dumpster.
They're sympathising with the bugs again aren't they?
These people always identify with the non humans and forces of hell. Very telling
Well, I like Farsight, but I can still see that the Gizmodo goober is a toolbox.
He talks about black satire and sure there was a lot of goofy satirical shit in the original edition called rogue trader but the franchise has been taking itself more seriously for over 20 years.
They don't want to admit that the days of Obiwan Sherlock Clussaeu are dead and gone, and the setting is getting more genuine each year.
Warhammer 40k is not parody. It is the story of a desperate society in its 11th hour holding back the clock from striking midnight by any means.
@@Xahnel I can sorta see it as a parody of an ultrafascist theocratic society. IE where people aren't allowed to be scared, and doing so on the battlefield is likely to get you executed
“The space wolves are overrated” thank the EMPEROR someone finally said it!!! Lamenters gang rise up take your place as the unlucky ones!
@@kevinmayfield6182 I mean it's true. The Space Wolves are INCREDIBLY overrated. I'm sick of them personally.
"Sacrifices people in their millions"
Erm actually they're sacrificing Billions
The world of 40k itself has a form of irony. But apparently they missed that it plays the fact straight. Very British. The irony is that you actually are a hero. Comparatively.
It’s a living narrative. Meaning its characters have to live in that world. That such a cosmically dark world exists, begs questions. And that is the point. To explore the world.
Irony does not necessarily require attempted humor. It does not require explanation of the meta narrative. Especially not within the narrative. It requires itself to form a cohesive narrative, and to play within it.
The fact that you can see through the eyes of a Space Marine, and be that. To walk among the bones and ashes. And see what that would be. And to fight to die for an eternal duty, against intergalactic extinction forces. To experience tragedy and triumph, where none of the civility we know is possible. That is the objective.
The simultaneous assertion that there is no unifying meta narrative like good and evil. It’s all subjective. All perspective. Yet the insistence that there is supposedly an orthodox one, we can always be faulted from appealing to properly. That is the grift here. It’s gaslighting.
Whether you believe there is good and evil or not. We are here to die for the Emperor. That is this. If you want to decry -isms, that may be your wish. But it is not a good criticism, where the point is there is no one to decry such. And if there was, they’d be consumed by some nasty, or be servitorized. This world is just that horrible. To make it more obvious is not necessary.
Maybe you can make a Civil Rights Space Marine Chapter yourself. And figure out why it wasn’t made Excommunicate Traitoris. Obviously it won’t be upon its superior rhetoric.
I think he missed the section where you are forced to walk past a bunch of gaurdsmen being executed for retreating...
He mentioned it in the article, but said it was too little.
Might be wrong but Grey Knights are incorruptible partly/mostly because of their geneseed which came directly from the Emperor.
Good, evil, or indifferent The Imperium are the protagonists and by default "The Good Guys"
The Space Wolf in Rogue Trader is named Ulfar? Isn't that the name of the Space Wolf Deathwatch member who died in front of Titus in the opening level of the game?
As a Nurgle follower since warhammer fantasy, which I took further into 40k. Fully wholeheartedly agree with ya, a persons desire and what they seek out in a media is important (but shouldn't be the end all be all). Say I wanted to find a spacemarine chapter of fishermen, likelihood being low to none (and besides my absurd example here, is okay - nothing wrong in not getting what we want from a setting that is placed where its at.). I believe that spacemarine 2 served its purpose and message in a peerless state, it did darn well convey that re-earning Titus trust... surviving the tyranids, while unravelling the powersource, our friends within the mechanicus were using... was a bit too dangerous to use. And the aftermath of all this played out so well. I got no complaints here, just adoration. Did I seek out the political views of each faction? No. Do I see things in a situational light, based and grounded in the current situation in universe? Yes.
Modern midia even emulate the Chaos discourse XD
The only reason why I like Warhammer 40k because of gears of war games and plus I been a fan of Warhammer 40k since 2020
While i dont like the imperium i understand that they're the "good guys" of the setting but at the end of the day every faction has done some pretty fucked shit for survival or personal gain
Wanna know what got me into Warhammer 40k? This is very funny. It was Flashgitz.
That was my introduction to the setting 😂
By the love of the God Emperor and the blessing of the Machine God, and the glory of the Ruinous Power..... please don't turn whoever writing this article into a Servo Skull
26:09 *Sudden Extra Credits Flashbacks*
This literally reads like a chaos warlord's impassioned diatribe, spewed as he fights a bunch of heroic space marines.
Or just flat out propaganda from chaos.
We don't want these people either.
Signed: a servant of the prince of pleasure.
Sounds like Chaos Undivided has control of Gizmodo.
Warhammer is Satire.
But that doesn’t mean we can’t not feel like a hero.
Space Marine 2 is a tiny slice of the entire Warhammer pie.
There are thousands of novels, and stories that go into the satire of the universe.
I think you hit the nail on the head when said that Space Marine 2 is allowing the player to live the fantasy of being a space marine
Y'all are saying these people are with chaos. Let me, as a proud follower of the prince of pleasure, be very clear: not even we want them.
The real satire is that these journalists make a better argument for fascism than a work of fiction ever could
Granted, I only know about 2 percent of the lore. However, ive never seen nor read anything pointing towards satire. Yet, people keep saying that about 40k. Either I'm missing something, or they're using that word wrong.