It’s alright tomo. Not sure if you do anything with the EQ but if you are worried about that you could try to tweak the filtering to help it. Of course that’s an art in itself (saying this as an audio engineer).
Hi, just wanted to say that I love your videos. And one change i would like to do is give points to every driver that finish. The battel for the bottom spotts would be so much more fun. And I think the drivers that are fighting for p15 And p14 would fight even harder. But what do you think?
to me a lot of moaning. i loved the Schumacher domination where he, at times, lapped the whole field except the top 3 and THEY SHOWED HIS BRILLIANCE ON TV WAY MORE THAN THEY SHOW MAX' S THESE DAYS!
@@nickallyourthings you can then expand that to any othe sport in general. The thing is, F1 itself suffers from insane domination like this. Frankly mercedes domination was probably good for the sport because it made a driver/team an icon while most seasons still had some competitiveness
F1 has ALWAYS had a dominant team for the last 50 odd years. It’s nothing new and it is a cycle. Hamilton has a lot of fans for different reasons, largely his sustained success. He isn’t helping the sport with all the complaining. Reality is he’s never had a car which was out of the top 5 on the grid. Ferrari would have lots of wins if they’d executed well…
@@IsaacSturdeeNot as clear as now though. in the last 13 years only two teams have won the title. The second longest dominance of 2 teams was 1984-1993 and those had some of the closest seasons ever. Its really gotten worse
watching for who comes second is an option. there are 5 potential teams that can fill 2nd and 3rd, including one of redbulls. Behind max, everyone is so close to each other, again including perez's redbull. Redbull doing a good job and max driving near perfect every weekend, doesnt make regulations wrong etc. It shows either that other teams failed or red bull succeeded spectacularly, with max at least. It also doesnt negate the penalty they got for such a minor overspending. they achieved this domination DISPITE having so little wing tunnel time compared to others. This only proves that redbull overcame the penalty successfully, and can manage their resources efficiently, while other teams cant. Their speed advantage doesnt come from engine alone either, so... F1 is a competition for teams to produce fastest cars within regulations. wdc is cared for more by the fans, thus making it a perfect PR for team. but the sport is about wcc primarily. If one team manages to build that car, it is not a fault but a reason for praise. Sure watching same person win can get boring, but it doesnt affect what the sport is, it is the actual nature of F1. Only person you can be annoyed that it is always the same winner is the driver sitting next to him in the same car, and other teams. RB did their work, mercedes and ferrari bottled up so much that aston and mclaren overtook them. This is a more likely reason for your annoyance.
Unpopular opinion, this years domination isn't because RB have done anything super special, but its because Ferrari and Mercedes messed up, messed up so hard AM overtook both early season and now McLaren overtook both late season. If the F1-75 developed properly, and TD39 didn't affect their car, I bet we would see Ferrari fighting at the front this year.
I've been screaming this for the whole season. RB have run an airtight ship, but it's not like the RB19 is some freak of nature. It seems to me like the competition is simply trash this season. RB competitors at the front simply dropped the ball extremely hard
The way racing works as opposed to other sports makes domination more frustrating if its not your team. As great as Jordan and the Bulls were, my favorite team did not have to play him every single game of the year! Max is at every "GAME". And you're right if he was jumping with his tongue out at the baseline over 3 guys it would be more interesting.
I think this is the main thing. If every team in the Premier League played in 1 big match every week, teams like Luton, Sheffield etc would drown more than they do now as well. People would get bored of Man City/Arsenal/etc. winning all the time.
Agreed, racing is different. Particularly where F1 isn't a spec series. 98 Yankees, 01 Lakers, 07 Pats, 15-16 dubs, last year's Bruins, even though not all those teams won the final game of the season, other sports are closer to "spec series" for lack of a better term. If Max was doing this in the same machinery as the rest of the field then it would be more impressive to me personally. I still enjoy F1 but the competition aspect doesn't hit the same as when you get domination in other sports.
@@TommoMcCluskeysomething else that added to the boost of F1 was covid. F1 was one of the only sports really going during covid when a lot of other sports were shut down. That attracted lots of fans who were left out of the sport they were mainly following, and led them to F1. Once F1 got "boring" they hopped off as they were never F1 lifers. That, Netflix, and the amazing fights between Merc and RB created a perfect storm of attraction.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN It's interesting that in the North American major league team sports, none of the most dominant regular season teams ended up winning the championship at the end of the season: baseball (Chicago Cubs & Seattle both with 116 wins), football (New England winning all 16 games, losing in the Super Bowl), hockey (Boston last year set the record with 135 points) and basketball (Golden State Warriors a few years back, 73-9 regular season).
A sport will never die from dominance, because people are living for the day the dominance breaks. That’s when the viewership will rocketship. The reason ‘21 was as interesting as it was was because a different team could challenge the then reigning 7 time champs. If it was inter team battle it wouldn’t be as interesting as a different team coming in imo.
Honestly, it's quite the opposite. Viewer counts went ever higher while Michael Jordan led the Bulls to their six titles, and then dropped dramatically after he retired. And despite the fact that people call the current streak boring or "hate" Max and RB for being so dominant, you BET if they saw him on the street they'd still ask for an autograph. There's also a very interesting relation between Golf viewer count and whether or not Tiger Woods was attending (e.g. 2013 and 2014 US Open and Masters). I for one am enjoying this, every minute at a time. This is the first time I can witness a legend in the making. For Lewis, I was too late, I missed out on all the stuff from about 2008 to 2018. But not this time. People hated Ferrari in the early 2000s, now everyone is nostalgic about it. People hated Mercedes in the 2010s, and they will be nostalgic about it in time. At some point, people will talk with nostalgia about this era, and I will know: I was there. I saw it when it happened. And it was fucking glorious. Also, there's so much more to see even in current day's F1. Take last week's race at Qatar, I wasn't watching that for Max, I was in there for Piastri. And boy, did he deliver. I can't wait to see his development in the next 2-3 years. There's a lot of young talent around now. Who knows, maybe, if the racing gods will it, we'll get another season like 2013 in the not too distant future.
@@sebastianahrens2385 with many of the cases they’re unpredictable and the outcome is uncertain. With Max Verstappen however the outcome is guaranteed. Max will win every single race in 2024 and nobody will come close to challenging him. What made the other previous eras’ dominance somewhat entertaining was the uncertainty of when it was going to come to an end or eventually be challenged. RedBull is so dominant that the outcome is guaranteed, they will win almost every race for years to come and nobody will even come the slightest bit close to challenging them at all. That is the kind of dominance that can kill the viewership of a sport.
@@mx1593 Just look at 2002. Ferrari made the rest of the grid look like toddlers in pushcars. Everyone expected the same for 2003, yet Kimi almost beat Michael. Max' current Dominance won't "hurt" the sport any more than the 8 years of Mercedes before him did. Also, people don't just tune in for P1. McLaren's recent return to form and Oscar Piastri in general are some of my key points to watch, for example.
Some of us watched through the Schumi dominance. Through the Vettel dominance. Through the Hamilton dominance. We’ll continue through the Verstappen dominance, regardless of “engagement” numbers. It is the very nature of the sport. Part of the decline in engagement stems from new(er) fans not fully understanding the cyclical nature of Formula 1. Whether those new fans stick around to see another team eventually topple Red Bull, and Max, is another matter entirely. It isn’t the fault of the winning team. The trailing teams need to step up, if the “spectacle” of F1 is THAT important to everyone. Personally, i’m enjoying seeing Max in the prime of his life.
Yep. ‘I remember’, gramps croaks, ‘when Senna won by lapping everyone up to second place’. Gramps nods off again. It was just as annoying then. Max wins by 30 seconds? ‘Pfwah. In my time…’ Gramps trails off and starts to snore.
yea when Michael Schumacher dominated, the pole laps were incredible. We still go back and listen to the "screaming V10s". When Vettel dominated, we were stunned at how confident he was in every pole lap, his ability when he felt good in a race car. Then we saw Hamilton being the greatest qualifier in history, which is never boring because you have to realize that you're watching live what people will talk about for years to come. Now to see Verstappen dethrone and then take over from the statistical goat with his raw ability and seeing him emulate Vettel as well is pretty sweet. Appreciate the ability in qualifying, that's when you'll never be bored.
100% agree. Its about the fans who stay and have stayed for decades. Might not be what F1 and the FIA want to hear becuase its not the optimizing cash flow sentiment. But its exciting even if 1 team or driver is dominating. Its the most exciting racing series in the world where 20 (give or take a couple drivers lol) race around tracks all over the world in the fastest cars in the world. If thats not exciting, I dont know what is. Its exciting even at its most boring times, but when its competitive, its just that many more levels above what were seeing now.
Yup. And the Senna/Prost/Lauda years... I'm not quite old enough for the Clark and Hill years and definitely not the Fangio/Ascari years! This just happens!
When it comes to other sports: there are always other matches to watch. I can imagine that for casual fans, F1 can feel like watching the same match over and over again.
It doesn’t change the fact that people didn’t like the best team winning all the time. A lot of non bulls fans hated the bulls eg knicks fans for sure. There’s a reason why the chant “beat LA” came back when Kobe was on the lakers. People like myself hated man united winning all the time despite me supporting a club outside of the premier league and there being other matches to watch.
Someone dominating in other sports can be interesting because there's different ways it can happen. In tennis, football, basketball... there are so many different ways it can happen with a variety of highlight worthy plays. When Max is out in front by more than 4 seconds... he's just out in front. The telecast won't even show him most of the time, unless it's for a pitstop or the weather changes. That's why it's boring compared to other sports. And like anything, boring is relative. Most RB and Max fans are absolutely loving how things are, as they should. Their guy/team is winning. And then there are F1 fans who also love it because what Max is doing is historic and just out of this world. But like anything, there's always the other side. Best race of the year was Singapore. Why? Because we didn't know what was going to happen. Wish we had more of that but that's just how F1 is these days.
Gospel, this comment. Considers all sides and provides the most logical and broadest reason behind the problem. This is also relative to other motorsports where and when these things happen, and how often.
Some drop off is just natural - 2020 F1 was one of few world class sports events in Covid. 2021 closest championship for ages, 2022 new rules - all mixed up Ferrari looking strong. Now in 23 its more settled, and all that one-offness of the last 3 years has gone. And I'm OK with that, true fans keep watching - I'm almost 4 decades in as a F1 fan!
I started watching last year and as much as I feel the Max dominance ruins the excitement in the races I also know that if Leclerc, Albon or Norris were winning so often I wouldn't be mad about it - sometimes you just gotta sit it out and let one type of fan have extra fun for a while you know, so I'm on board with being OK with the dominance as well!
Yeah it's a good point, 2020, 21 & 22 were all seasons with exceptional circumstances that aren't particularly common. Especially a global pandemic... 😬
and there are still a lot of people (like me) who are down the rabbit hole from those exiting years and will keep watching if F1 settles down to normal operating procedures. I think this season is very exicting to watch if you ignore the fact that Max is just on the front. Behind him a lot of interesting stuff happens on race day and a lot of stories are developing over the course of the year, like AMs strong start, McLarens revival, Williams outperforming the other bottom teams, etc., and regarding the individal drivers the strong performance of Piastri, Albon, Alonso (and Sainz?). Its a good year, if you care about who comes in 2nd or gets into the points and not just who wins the race.
The problem is that teams dominating for long periods and by a big distance has been happening more frequently in the last 15 years or so. Whether it's the slower frequency of big rule changes I'm not sure, but before that we were often only getting 1-2 seasons of single team dominance, when it occurred - mclaren 1988-1991 being the exception.
A lot of people, especially new people, seem to think that formula 1 is about the drivers but in reality formula 1 is about the technical innovations and the team competition. If they want a spec series they can go watch formula e or something, I genuinely think that a LOT of "fans" simply do not understand the point of f1. (That and they don't like it when a driver they don't like is winning).
Exactly, the constructors, and all the innovation etc behind it are a big part of the 'formula' of Formula 1. I really don't get why a lot of people are only interested in who occupies the P1 position, while there is so much fun to be had in following the positions behind it. And even so, the way in which P1 gets the performance out of the car, his consistency in doing so etc. is also very interesting. These people must have been very bored as well in de Mercedes era.
indeed, verstappen is probably the most hated driver after stroll on the grid now and for no real reason, people just hate hate him, he even has less followers than charles on instagram lol i think if it was charles dominating people's opinion on the season would be very different
With NBA i can watch 50 different games that the Chicago Bulls aren't a part of. With F1 it's literally the same drivers every single race and mostly the same winners.
In my, admittedly unpopular, opinion, the biggest mistake F1 ever made was insisting on reliability. Reliability = predictability = boring. In the "good" old days the fastest car had a reasonable chance of not making it to the flag (Anyone remember Kimi @ McLaren?), so even if the best driver had the fastest car there was still no guarantee they would win, and things were unpredictable. It would be interesting to see the % wins by the fastest car in each season, by decade. I bet it is way higher in the last couple of decades.
so you mean to tell me the thing that made f1 most interesting in the past was the fact that it was a spectacle where the real cards where layed down on the line and that through sheer grit and determination a driver could push through straight and become a champion? Sounds like real sport to me. not this fake crap they show us now.
Im a Mercedes fan, and yeah I ho and humm about the domination, but there is an aspect to the sport that is exciting to watch still. Obviously seeing RB dominate is annoying lol, but being a race fan comes first and you just cant help but admire and appreciate the greatness. Max and RB have completely hit the ball out the park. That car is an amazing piece of engineering and I got into F1 because of how amazing the engineering behind these cars are. At the same time, they have a driver that just goes out there and drives that car like its a rocket ship on rails. Hes got complete control, rarely makes mistakes, and you dont get fastest lap after fastest lap but just simply having a better car. His racecraft is amazing to watch, his lines are nearly perfect everytime, and he manages his car and understands how much he can push to the frustration of GP lol. Everytime they get into a bit of a scuffle about Max pushing too hard, it almost always results in a "I told you I could push and still be fine" moment. Again, all of it is frustrating, and being a Mercedes fan, I saw how toxic people became watching their domination and refuse to be that kind of fan. Im a race fan first, and what they're doing is just amazing and a pleasure to watch. I'll get to tell people when Im older, that I got to see Max Verstappen race, just like I'll get to boast about how I got to see Lewis Hamilton race. I still think Singapore was by far the best race of the season, trying to put my biases aside. I think a competitive F1 is the best version of F1. I wish every season was a 2021, or 2011, 2008, or 2007.....But the reality is in the modern era, if you get it really right at the start of new regs, you're probably going to be dominating till the second last or last season when everyone catches up. Its how its gone for the past few reg changes. I wish they could do something about it, but the only way I can think of is making it a spec. series. And nobody wants to ruin the amazing engineering behind F1 by making it a spec. series. (I find spec. series kinda boring, though they may be more competitive champioships, a bit of a catch 22...) Hopefully they can find creative ways of making the series more competitive going forward without ruining the integrity. And though ill complain and make comments about RB and stuff, at the very core, its Formula 1. Its the most exciting racing series in the world where 20 (give or take a couple drivers lol) race around tracks all over the world in the fastest cars in the world. If thats not exciting, I dont know what is. Its exciting even at its most boring times, but when its competitive, its just that many more levels above what were seeing now.
Personally I've been a RBR fan since the days it was a midfield team and a Max fan after I saw his skills in F3 (or whatever it was called at that point). During the years of Mercedes/Hamilton dominances I felt the same as what you describe here. I have watched nearly every race for 20+ years (grew up with Der Michael) and I will do so for as long as I can, because what a driver or team can produce will always be incredible to watch. 2014 will always be in my mind as a boring season, but I will always be in awe of what the Mercs were able to do, for example. The rise of social media presence for F1 coincided with the most excited season I have ever seen. This has given those new viewers an impossibly high bar of excitement to match. Like you mention in your 3rd "section", we have been able to see the sports greatest drivers ever at work. Whether you are a fan of one and loathe the other, it doesn't matter. Their accomplishments are just otherworldly. The same debate exists in other sports, with Messi vs Ronaldo as a prime example. No matter your personal preference, everybody should be able to acknowledge the greatness they both carry with them.
@@messorix2033 Yeah exactly. Its simply the best way to watch sports. To be able to sit back, seperate yourself from your emotion and bias, and just saw "wow" what a moment.... It just changes the experience. If youre letting sports effect your emotions and whether you have a good day/week/month in a negative way, I think youre missing out. Its one of the main reasons why I hate sports gambling. You cant enjoy a sporting event and appreciate it for what it is when youre losing money.
@@Amm17ar Well said. That doesn't mean achievements from your favorite team/driver shouldn't be celebrated as much as you want though. When Max won his first GP back in 2015, I celebrated hard. When Max took his first championship, I cried. I have done nothing of the sorts for any other driver and that's okay. Playing in a fantasy championship or something like that, with a maybe a prizepool at the end, that is also fine. Straight up betting on it, not so much. For now, enjoy what you are given and acknowledge it for what it is. That is all I can add
Few people in the comments are saying it’s about appreciating the engineering of the team and skills of the driver which to a level I agree with, it is impressive, but the majority of people don’t want to sit here and watch the cars go for a Sunday drive they wanna see the fight to win, they wanna see overtakes and close races, KNOWING that the same person will always bee ahead isn’t exactly giving that. There is so much more about the sport to appreciate but it’s not what brings the excitement.
Been watching since '08 (maybe that isn't long term) and I'm having a harder and harder time setting time aside to watch such a boring event. I'm not sure there's any solution to it tho, we can't just order RB's to drive around with 3 wheels
@@rasmuspoulsen5320 I've also been watching since China 2008, I mean this is a technical sport. I admire the incredible technical complexity, the engineering ingenuity, also the skills on display from the drivers. There's so many cool things which for new fans can still be mind-blowing. Like if you just show an absolute racing newbie an f1 pitstop, they'd be wondering how human beings can move that quickly. We're the most jaded but we're also the most loyal. Our attitude towards the skill on display reflects on how the new fans see it. Old fans shape the angle that we look at dominance from. I admire the pole laps in dominant years.
We're the most jaded but we're also the most loyal. Our attitude towards the skill on display reflects on how the new fans see it. Old fans shape the angle that we look at dominance from.
Tommo I like your channel because I find your videos tend to focus on quantitative analysis of the sport rather than random subjective opinions, thanks for another banger
I think a lot of new fans came on to the scene enjoying the proper title fight in 21. Once that trailed off in 22 and fell off a cliff this year many of them lost interest. They didn't really enjoy the sport for its own sake, just like i dont enjoy football unless its the world cup. I'm a new fan of F1 and honestly i'm enjoying this year more than the first one that i saw in 21 because behind Max there's actually a much more competitive fight than in the previous two years. Im also enjoying everything to do with the updates brought to cars and the rise and fall of teams and their drivers. There's not much to be done about that without screwing up what F1 is. If some people are only excited about who is P1, that's fine, they can be bored or leave if they want to.
I think the problem is, ultimately, that motorsports is very much not like other sports. And F1 especially. Motorsports, in my mind, are much more complicated than traditional sports, because it involves the machine; it’s about man AND machine. Other sports, it’s all about the athlete and their skill. But in motorsports, the machine is equally important. And in F1, which at its core is actualy an engineering championship before you even get to the drivers part of it, that makes things much more complicated. I’m pretty sure most people are seeing the current situation in F1 as “Max is winning” or maybe “Max and Red Bull are winning”. But I don’t think the true depth of that is fully appreciated by a lot of people. Winning this consistently isn’t just a driver being really good, it’s an entire team being on point. It’s the engineers finding the best answer to the problem, and others not being able to do so. I like watching motorsports because I like machines and stuff. If someone isn’t willing to fully engage with that side of these sports, then it’s obvious that the events of a season like this will be taken completely the wrong way. And I accept that- appreciating the technical aspects of things like race cars isn’t for everyone. But I’m not willing to dilute something like F1 into “who’s the fastest driver in a car” because that’s not what it should be, even if the general audience thinks that’s what it is.
Even as a new fan it doesn't take much looking up and searching to realize that the name of the game in F1 from a teams' POV is domination, not exciting races or scripted fights or pure drama on and off the track. It's about who can build the fastest car and be the most well-oiled machine. And I feel like the "Domination kills the sport" overlooks how F1 didn't really die out overall no matter how many times one team would crush everyone else. There's always been that promise of "closer racing" or "exciting racing" every time new regulations gets introduced but then the opposite happens, but the sport still finds a way to thrive one way or another. There will always be years when it feels boring and others feel exciting. Yes, fans in general would be happy with closer racing, but there needs to be that recognition that isn't always the case. One idea that I've heard about watching Formula E that probably fits well here is that you can't watch FE with the expectation that it's like F1 (super fast and loud and big circuits and whatnot), because you'll always be disappointed. I think something similar can be said for F1. You can't watch F1 expecting standings will always be topsy turvy and teams would leapfrog over another several times in a regulation cycle. If that's the way you're watching F1, then disappointment is already expected. I feel like that report is like a nice-to-know thing but I doubt F1 can do anything outside of pulling back Red Bull, but then that goes against the whole point F1 being the "pinaccle of motorsport" where innovation is key. And whenever someone always tries to use that as ammo to call for Red Bull being nerfed, where do the other teams factor in during that situation? I guarantee that with how good the team is operating now, they'd probably work around whatever gets thrown at them anyway.
Plus, tame/predictable/demoralizingly "boring" seasons are what make the good seasons incredibly exciting because of the rarity. If every race was crazy, then what even is the real form book? Although a few years of one regulation set is exactly what you need because by the end of an era teams usually close up. We stuck with the 2017 rules (modified them slightly for 2019 and then again 2021) and then we had 13/14 different drivers on the podium in 2020 and 2021 with some unbelievable race results, chaos etc.,. So I'm glad McLaren are catching up. Let the rules stay exactly the same so that they can continue. Likewise I hope Aston learn from this year's development mistakes. I wanna also see Ferrari get it together (most wishful thought here cause this is more unlikely than wishing for an f1 drive for myself). Mercedes should also finally accept that they need to learn from Red Bull or Ferrari and McLaren in terms of car concept and design. That way we'd have a season like 2010 or 2012 with all these cars on the podium several times throughout the year. If it gets a little bit more crazy, a new champion on the books.
4:24 disagree. The nature of social media is just a place when to throw your emotion. It's just come natural for non-RB supporter (which is majority, compared to RB fans) to see F1 as boring. Moreover, (I don't if this has been included or not but) I think social media banter and accusations (which is more like toxic fans behavior) more or less influencing the way we discuss F1 in social media. For a fans that just want to enjoy the sport, excessive and unnecessary drama is the least thing they wanted in their timeline. But look at how the money they made this year, as far as I know this year experience a massive sold out every Grand Prix with a lot record breaking attendance. Look how much merch sold, subscription purchased etc. I think the social media not always become the barometer of how good a sport is doing. There are a lot of caveat in it. Just my 2 cents.
I think because in other sports, for example football, there is a sense of unpredictability. If Man City played Luton 100 times they wouldn’t beat them 100 times. But in F1 it doesn’t feel like that. Red Bull would have beaten Haas 100 times out of 100 in the Japanese GP
@@birandkoraythere's some, but it's nowhere close to as unpredictable as other sports leagues. Most sports I watch have a decent chance of having the underdog not only compete with the top teams, but win. If RB doesn't win in Japan, it was going to be one of Ferrari, Mercedes, or McLaren, unless you have a Hungary 2021 deal go on.
I tend to disagree on this one. I think one could argue F1 has more unpredictability given you can have mechanical issues, changeable weather conditions, crashes and flags, all which could have significant impact on outcome. The reason why RB would be able to beat Haas most of the time comes down to the fact that there is such a big difference in performance. Football would be the same if you had two teams with extreme difference in strength. It is just happening less in football because there is less differential.
@@tak8261 That used to be so but not any more. The technical aspects have become so advanced that you almost never see a top team lose a race through mechanical failure, even in a lower tech series like NASCAR. In the past you'd see a top team lead and dominate a race and then suddenly the engine would blow up or something would break near the end and some lesser team might take the victory. When do you ever see that happen nowadays? Almost never in F1 and almost never even in NASCAR or IndyCars. In NASCAR and IndyCar, however, because the racing is closer, you might see a dominant team taken out in a late race accident, so there is a factor of unpredictability there, but in F1, by the end of the race, the field is so stretched out and the leader so far ahead that even the possibility of a results changing accident are almost nil and the top drivers under those circumstances never blow a race through their own error. Since they carry enough fuel to run the whole race, you don't even have the possibility (that exists in NASCAR & IndyCar) of a team losing by running out of gas, so the last unpredictable factor is tires, a team losing a race by blowing a tire, and how often does that happen in F1?
I think the difference is that it is FAR more fun to watch Man City destroy Luton and Haaland score six goals than it is to watch Max ten seconds ahead driving literally on his own, Perez three seconds ahead of Leclrec in third. It's literally just three drivers on their own.
I got turned off-it has become a sport with no competition...really boring.When you know the outcome before the start-why even place a bet....Is one engine a little stronger than another-is someone cheating-another turnoff...plus he has the the personality of a slug
Tommo, I think that two things play a part of why people feel aggrieved by this current season are that A) the grid has so many talented drivers that aren’t been given a chance to show what they can do and, in sense, feel like their talent is being wasted. Lewis, George, Charles, Carlos, Fernando and to a lesser degree Norris and Piastri to name a few. And B) the “battle for P2” doesn’t feel like a real battle. Some tracks Ferrari are second best by miles and others McLaren are faster by miles. There’s no overlap or close battle. It’s either an easy Ferrari double top four or an easy McLaren double top four.
@@tiebiriusg Norris’s car was only bad for six races and second fastest for ten races while Merc has always been third or fourth fastest. Also Norris is teamed with a rookie so he’ll obviously have more points off that alone. While George is teamed with Lewis.
Here's my take: I am a fan of the sport first and foremost - the art of driving, the technology, the tracks, the cars. At the end of the day, that allows me to appreciate even the "boring" races/seasons. For example, watching Max (the best driver right now) sync perfectly with that RB19, its beautiful to watch because its so close to "perfect" f1 racing. Just admire the talent on both ends. Same goes for Hamilton in the W11. I certainly like certain drivers, but at the end of the day, even if (for example) Charles is having a bad season, seeing Carlos get those poles and the win was exciting, even though on a normal weekend I care more for Charles than Carlos. Basically, I feel that being a fan of a certain driver first and foremost will lead to disappointment, because this sport only has so many drivers who are actually in a position to win. Appreciate the sport as a whole, and no matter who is winning/dominating, you can take SOMETHING out of the weekend
Its boring. I'm what was regarded as a die hard fan, I've watched 4 races to the end this year. Some I didn't even turn it on after qualifying. Nobody watches it to see who comes 2nd its not even a sport worth investing in (i.e. a TV package or the time). The other teams dropped the ball and the FIA have done nothing to target Red Bulls advantage which is what they did with ferrari in 2005 (Tyres) and Mercedes in 2021 (Floor). I'd definitely limit the use of DRS in the race (15 hits or so) and ban it in qualifying. The sport will spiral and spiral until it ends. It was similar situation in the Schumacher era and when it ended it was amazing for the next 6 seasons. Verstappen has already won every championship till 2026 unless FIA do something to hurt Red Bull, thats what they need to do for the sake of the business. The new rules made the sport worse, the overtaking situation is the same so you have got to wonder what was the point in it all.
Verstappen's domination has brought about a level of boring rarely (if ever) seen in f1 before. Even in the times of Hamilton and vettel domination, at least they got challenged sometimes and there were some other race winners. Since about race 4, only one other driver has won a Grand Prix. There is no interest, unless verstappem starts 8th or lower, because his car is so much faster and will win.
Funny to read F1 fans so content with boring predictability in F1 as if it is normal and inevitable when there are so much good racing and side by side action in other disciplines, particularly 2 wheels. Heck even WEC.
The important thing is F1 domination removes the 'racing' part of what is a direct competition sport. Lewis and Max during their domination are just cruising in the front. There is no action.
There’s been many articles dismissing this ‘fact’ about social media. First of all its not where F1 gets it’s money…its in attendance and viewings across Television platforms and both are wildly popular. What’s going on is I hardly post anything anymore social media IS SO DAM TOXIC. I’m a fan of a driver and even on a positive thread some other fan of another driver will jump on and destroy the mood, insult the driver and insult YOU. The thread ends, their victory is in the bag. I see this most with Hamilton fans because these ‘boring’ tags come from British accounts and/or Hamilton accounts. I did a deep dive into this phenomena and out of the thirty accounts who were jumping to other fan thread and being negative, 24 were Hamilton fan accounts. I have no dog in this fight but I’m sure if the dominance changed bac to Hamilton, you’d see negativity from Verstappen fans, at least a small amount. Most Verstappen fans I meet are very positive and happy but then again it’s their driver doing the dominating.
Also one thing to add is that a lot of people are straight up CONFUSED about the new 2022 and onwards regs, they think "closer racing" means that the cars are closer in peak performance and people do not seem to understand "close racing" vs "close competition", so they end up feeling lied to.
Oh man, this is such a frustrating part of it. Seeing the constant "Max wins by 30 sec, what happened to closer racing???" being parroted because apparently only 5% of people understand what it means.
I've seen so many people complain that formula 1 isn't close between the teams, because they don't understand the point of formula 1 at all and they think there is an obligation for it to be a spec series or something.
There was hope that budget cap and wind tunnel limitations on better teams will lead to teams being closer together. That unfortunately hasn't happened.
Not gonna lie I think for motorsports in general it's nice to see f1 slow down. Other series have been brought more into positive lights and it is nice to see fans of F1 experience other forms of racing
Would the past couple of years be that boring if Max wasn't in a Red Bull? At least there's a good chance that the future won't have a dominant car like Mercedes had for 7 years.
you smashed this video out of the park! a lot of time, thought and research went into this. the dominance is one thing but the distance max has over the rest of the grid oh my gosh the distance with his own teammate. we really do love the wheel to wheel action and i hope we can see more of it in 2024 (frontline at least) mid field has put on a SHOW!
70% of that 70% drop was the LH44 hashtag keyboard warriors running out of material. So it's not nearly as drastic a drop in interest as it appears on the surface. The TV rating are dow, but no where near 70%. Been watching F1 since the late 90's and it WAY WAY more popular that it ever was
Topic opinions aside, quick compliment to @TommoOnRUclips. This is some solid, fun and entertaining content. Genuinely decent chat as well as editing. Nice one!
I am already finding 2024 boring. Not having anyone to really race Max Makes this season dull already. F1 would do well to get rid of getting rid of Max and do something to make the cars more equal.
The way I look at it. NASCAR grew in the 80’s due to the snowstorm in the northeast USA that opened the eyes of a traditionally southern sport. COVID has the same effect for F1 as everyone was stuck in their house on their streaming services. The faster something grows, the worse the optics are when it starts to show realistic growth.
Comparing 7 years of absolute domination from Mercedes with only two years of domination from Red Bull, (with the first WDC for Max the Red Bull was not the dominant car) under complete different regulations, is ridiculous. The new rules are already doing their effect on the grid. Look at the improvements from McClaren and Williams and Aston Martin. With the new rules, such as more wind tunnel time for the lowest ranked teams and less wind tunnel time for the highest ranked teams, and the budget cap, it is much harder for a single team to stay the dominant team for as long as Mercedes did.
The media and F1 themselves are to blame, all coverage focuses on the 3 top cars in any race. The mid field could have the race and battles of the century and it will be completely ignored by everyone.
The sport itself is boring guys sorry to break it to y'all. What makes it interesting is the stories, the overtakes, the drama. When I know Max is going to be 30 seconds ahead of everyone by lap 10 I lose interest. When the drivers are just like well Max is going to win we will do our best to catch him... is fkn boring.
I don't think the premise is correct. It's the same in other sports. Dominance isn't seen as exciting in other sports either. Look at social during those times, everyone complains during the dominant eras. The thing about dominance though, it does attract casual viewers. Breaking records and such is good publicity. And it also creates legacy. When the dominant era is over people tend to look back on the era more fondly than they actually felt during the era. Basketball as an example. The Durant warriors at the time, everyone complained about it being unfair, predictable, and boring. But the viewership numbers were good due to publicity, and in 10 years the era will be perceived and more legendary.
Dominance in head to sports is simply different to dominance in racing. It can be really fun to watch the Warriors play lights out basketball and win by 30 points. They're dribbling, shooting, passing amazingly. In F1, it just Max out on his own racing. There's no opponent his is directly overcoming, you get me? That's a lot less interesting. And the skill he is showing is not really as apparent as a three pointer or a free kick. It's so subtle almost no one even understands what he is doing well.
8 constructors’ titles, > 100 victories, all manner of records and the unofficial naming rights to an entire era of Formula 1 - Mercedes’ dominance of the V6 turbo-hybrid formula has been total.
Probably the most educated explanation of the current F1 situation I’ve heard. I really believe next season will be different (said everyone every year) but it does feel like it’s getting closer!
You want to know the answer why? Look back to 2004 and watch a race, now do the same with a 2022/2023 race. If you have a soul you will have your answer.
The thing about the Chicago Bulls also was that they were dominant, but it was the regular season. People knew that we'd still have playoffs coming up and you can lose in the playoffs in 4 games. Different type of pressure and atmosphere. You can't recreate that in F1. Well, there is NASCAR with the Cup Playoffs and I love NASCAR, but I wouldn't implement that system into F1. NASCAR also has much more races in a season than most forms of motorsports. I'd also like to point out that someone like Messi can dominate individually, but still lose the game because he's only one guy in a team of eleven players. Football is also a low scoring game. Freak results are much more likely there than in most other sports. I'd have to agree that F1 suffers from domination a lot more than most sports. I don't know a solution other than praying for Ferrari (personally speaking), Mercedes and/or McLaren to catch up and surpass Red Bull.
One thing I don’t like about this generation of F1, the drivers don’t challenge each other enough. They don’t battle hard, they let each other pass and rely on speed to overtake again. They aren’t as ruthless and aggressive. Also team orders are ruining it. Let them battle like Vettel and Webber. Like Lewis and Rosberg
A note about comparing something like F1 to other sports, like football or the like: In F1 (and other motorsports) all participants in the series or league compete in all events. In other sports you have two competitors or teams in each event, and the rest in the league are not involved. That can build up excitement about being undefeated in way which cannot happen if all competitors were competing in each single event, since it would just be the best team winning and no surprises. Since there can only be one winner per event it means that in something like F1 there is no way to have anticipation for a particular match-up, like the two best performing teams of a tournament facing off in a final. Those sports are so fundamentally different from each other.
You made a good point about how motorsport is quite unique compared to other sports when it comes what domination looks like. In a lot of sports, being so much better often equates to more action, even if it's one sided. More people watched basketball during the Chicago Bulls dynasty (and later the Kobe-Shaq Lakers) because whilst the conclusion was obvious, there was an excitement in seeing what they could do. You play less conservatively when you know you're going to win, so you see a lot more showing off and amazing feats. Being too far ahead of everyone else in motorsport tends to mean less meaningful action at the front, so for more casual fans who watch for battles, for close racing or for crashes and mechanical faults, seeing a car go around a track for two hours with absolutely nothing to meaningfully challenge them is inevitably going to have people tune out. I stopped watching F1 during the Schumi years after the late Murray Walker retired and only came back after he had retired the first time. As for what to do about it, I'm not sure much can really be done about it until the next significant set of rule changes mixes everything up again.
Max isn’t the issue. The other cars are the problem. Not enough blame gets put on the other top teams. Max is fantastic but give him the same car and get the other teams to build better cars then you get exciting races even with Max being as amazing as he is. He wouldn’t win as much or easily. The top teams deserve more blame cause they technically can achieve the same or close to what RB has.
I have watched the least amount of races this year in the last 5 years cause I just knew Max would win almost everything and also because the fan base has become increasingly toxic, particularly about Lewis good or bad people just makes fun of the man. So for me its the boring races and the toxic community thats making me enjoy the sport less this year
The toxicity is worse than it ever has been for F1. Its a shame really. I want to share the joy of racing with others, but its harder and harder to do so these days
I can't recall a worse season than what we're having now. Even the Schumacher and Vettel era's were not nearly as tedious as this and as much as I dislike Redbull and Verstappen, the blame is entirely on the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari for simply not keeping up in car development.
2020 Merc won 19 out of 21 races. How many HAM-BOT-VER podiums have we had? LH 103 wins…. And you say THIS SEASON IS THE WORST? 😂😂😂 Clearly a LH fan aka RBR/Max hater talking…..
Aside from Verstappen I think this season has actually been pretty good. The early surge of Aston, Mercedes and Ferrari going back and forth with each other, the McLarens having a massive jump after a terrible start, the random Alpine podiums, Albon performing out of his mind (or it just seems that way because Sargent's lack of performance). So aside from first place, this season has been pretty fun I think
50% of new audience could leave the sport if someone dominates the sport. Let's see... there was Lewis for 7 years, Vettel for 3-4 years, Schumacher for 2 centuries...
It's not that it's sudden tho, it's been ongoing since 2010, maybe could even say 2001 with an occasional anomaly like tuned mass dampers and double diffusers or a Nico sympathy title, I've been a fan since the 80s(Williams every day for me) and in recent years I've been watching more Indy for the actual racing.
It seems like F1 fans have the memory span and attention span of a goldfish. It has been one year of domination, people are getting so mad it really seems they don't actually like the sport.
To be fair to FOM, half of the interactions last year were down to Lewis & Max fans being at war 😂 Will probably be a fair few whove stopped watching due to Max's dominance, but do think there's also a lot to unpack from 2020, '21 & '22 seasons that go a ways to explaining a lot of this drop off.
I think F1's audience is stabilizing more than dropping. The fans who thought of F1 as trendy, who boosted the figures have now moved onto the next thing. This has now left F1 in a better place than it was before with less of the bandwagon fans.
This is absurd. The shake up is Red Bull being fast for a change (after 8 long years), so so biased. I have a feeling this AI was created by Toto Wolff
I’m an F1 noob so my opinion maybe trivial but I’ll try. But first: what prompted this report or did a big wig from that company got out of bed some morning and thought: “let’s do an F1 social media probe”? And I would like to see subscription numbers, in my country F1 is a behind a paywall. 1. Introduce a sporting rules handicap system. 2. Introduce regulations to hold back a team. 3. Introduce a gliding cost cap system (the more a team wins, the less they are allowed to spend the following season, a financial handicap system). Or a reverse one: the worst performing team is allowed to spend more money. But one cannot ask a driver who’s dominating to deliberately ‘take a fall’ just to spice things up. That would be preposterous. This wasn't mentioned of course.
Before the video, I think the reason no one really likes domination is because it’s for so long and it’s always there, no other team but Redbull and Merc has won since 2009
2020 was exciting because of the Gasly win, sure. But it was pretty much a foregone conclusion back then that Hamilton and Mercedes were going to dominate the rest of the season. Hell, even Verstappen's Abu Dhabi win that year felt empty because Lewis was just coasting.
Well if you’re looking forward to a race for first then you’re potentially going to be disappointed yet again, I have personally struggled to maintain interest over recent seasons, and although there are brilliant mini battles throughout the field, the main battle for first seems to be yet another forgone conclusion. The issue is that the best car will be driven by “one of” the best drivers and whilst that is the case you are never going to get competitive integrity, yes the first race has yet to be run, but 1/4th of a second on the first qualifying is worrying given that RB will be improving alongside the chasing pack!.
I have actually completely given up on F1. I find so boring and tedious. Quite Frankly, I don't miss it. it's the same thing, over and over again expecting different results, thats insanity.
It not like it’s not a problem, look at nascar in the mid to late 2000s at the peak of its popularity, Jimmie Johnson won literally every year, which definitely turned some people off.
F1 is actually so boring they don’t have any famous and recognizable tracks like Daytona and Indianapolis. In those races they pass and it is actually entertaining to watch the cars. Maybe the closest thing they got is Monaco but Monaco is so boring and has no passing and is set up for Max Verstappen to win. Maybe if they added LeManns, Nurburgring, Indy
As someone who mainly watches other series such as Indycar and NASCAR and very casually watches F1, there are a few reasons why it's more boring when it happens in F1. 1. In other sports like Football, Soccer and Basketball, there are dozens of events a week that won't involve that dominant team. In racing, that dominant team will be at every single race, so you can't just turn to another race if it gets boring. 2. Dominance is a lot more interesting when it doesn't happen all the time. For over the past decade, F1 has simply been going from one dominant team to another. In the past decade, they've only had 4 champions, from 2 teams. For example, Alex Palou's dominance in Indycar this year was interesting because it's so rarely seen in the sport. Ans even when it happened, he was still being chased down by 2 other drivers until the last 2 races. 3. Dominance in racing is a lot less interesting when cost is involved. Like it or not, winning in F1 is way easier when you have an enormous budget to outspend other teams on the grid. Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are great drivers, but they also have millions of dollars going into the development of their cars and teams that help tailor the car to their driving style.
The following must be done to answer Tommo's question at the end: Top 8 one shot qualifying. Reverse grid Sprint Races that are slightly longer. Making the teams do more pit stops. (tyre changes, changes to pit speed and entries/exits) Build cars that match the tracks or vice versa. Stable set of rules. Banning Newey. None of this will happen though.
Red bull does more promotional events than other teams. WAY too much complaining from big manufacturer teams and their drivers and not enough responsibility assumed and owned by those underperforming teams. F1 has commercialised their competition to a different crowd of people now, and the dominance is frowned upon due to lack of understanding of new fans and the F1 media isn’t helping. Cultural intolerance towards drivers like Max, who are Dutch etc is rampant. Hamilton is an influential character and he is loudly screaming “it’s not fair” when it’s perfectly fair. They just need wait till next season, teams will catch up
Love the Gran Turismo music, Tommo One thing I feel is that there is so much toxicity that I'm put off from commenting. Last year I quoted Damon Hill in a comment comparing Schumacher and Hamilton and I started getting attacked personally in some responses.
I'm born and raised in Arizona, and have been a fan F1 for over 20yrs. I've been a fan/follower of yours for at least the 3yrs. I would be honored to make you an honorary Phoenix Sun's fan. We've had some great runs, even made it to the finals, just to shit the bed. So you can get while we're on the rise, and potentially celebrate our 1st title. It's coming. Go Sun's.
sure, but people don't really wanna see a close fight for 7th or 5th. They want to see a fight for the win or at the very least go into the race knowing that more than 1 driver could end up winning the race. No one goes into the race thinking anyone other than max is winning. unless he somehow explodes or something. It's good that the field is close but it's not close in the part of the field that matters for the sake of all fans.
I don't think formula 1 can be boring .. predictable , yes , maybe , but that doesn't make it boring. I also personally think that tv pundits can and should be allowed to be biased if they want. What we really need in formula 1 is smaller and lighter cars , endurance events (like le mans) , proper rain tyres that can actually be used , and 2 more teams.
I'd love to see reverse grids. I know there may be safety concerns about having everyone overtaking but from an action point of view it would be amazing to see as well as if you imagine it this year seeing verstappen have to overtake 19 cars in almost every race while they have to overtake at the same time would have made a ton more interesting. Maybe just making the sprint races reversed grids and having no confusing sprint shootout and regular races as at the moment they are just mini versions or verstappen domination races.
I think reversere grids are the most pontless thing ever, it is just fluff you and i know both that the top teams will get past the back teams everytome there is no fun in watching that at all
I for one have LOVED this season, because the midfield is so condensed and the podiums are seemingly random sometimes with mclaren, ferrarri, aston, mercades, and alpine all taking multiple stabs, as well as (obviously) red bull. Like the actual racing has been peak, the front front front just is gone. I'd take a season like this 3/5 times over a season where it's just two teams doing a halfhearted dance at the front and one prevailing half way through the season, like 2022 and 2018. At least when the rest of the racing is good, there's a reason to care about the races once it's clear the championship is locked up. Races this year have been at least 50% of the time filled with midfield/podium scrambling action.
Simple: it’s because of the lack of equal machinery. That’s why 2021 was completely rivetting. There were two generational talents in more or less equal cars. Shame that the end was manipulated by ‘human error’/Massi. In other sports domination means unequivocally - that’s the best sportsman so everyone is in awe, but if the machinery is not equal we have someone a little less than that - which is: wow what a talented person is being allowed to show their talent. But we will never know what any other driver would be capable of in Verstappen’s car… Said that it *is* Verstappen’s car he’s been contributing to developing it for years. Just like Hamilton contributed to developing (and now rebuilding) Mercedes.
Surprised Tommo and the comments haven't mentioned it, but a HUGE reason social media engagement is way down is because of how toxic the discourse is. Look under any F1 related post and you'll see someone with a LH44 name and pfp talking shit about Verstappen or see some F1 meme account posting slander about some other driver. It's a shame
A couple of things. Firstly who do I trust an independant company who nobody had heard of before and uses AI or Formula 1 themselves. Answer, neither of them. And as for the social media factor, yes social media is big but does that mean the sport is suffering? Of course not. Bums on seats at races and viewing figures are what matter most, not social media interaction. This is all blown up out of proportion and a big nothing of a problem. I remember working for an F1 merch retailer back in the days of Schumacher/Ferrari dominance. Even Ferrari fans were getting bored, but that did not stop people buying merch. I am actually back working with that same retailer and I can tell you that despite Red Bull dominance F1 merch is still highly popular and McLaren, Williams and Aston for instance sell just as much merch as Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes.
Id say in terms of the individual brilliance, qualifying is where that shows up. Max's Monaco pole for instance was insanity and incredibly entertaining. Most other sports outside of motorsport have a tournament structure, so...the dominant player or team isnt at every game. Compared to F1 and motorsport in general, they are. Now on the flip side, when you have a close championship F1 is more exciting than other sports bc of this same phenomena. When its close, every race, all season is like the finals or semifinals. Lewis Vs Max was basically 5 months of a superbowl bc the story continues week in and week out.
Apologies for the poppy mic. I tried a different setting with it close to me mouth, but it didn't really work. 😬
its ok tommo I didn't even notice
It’s alright tomo. Not sure if you do anything with the EQ but if you are worried about that you could try to tweak the filtering to help it. Of course that’s an art in itself (saying this as an audio engineer).
Yes, yes, but what does Minton think?
Hi, just wanted to say that I love your videos. And one change i would like to do is give points to every driver that finish. The battel for the bottom spotts would be so much more fun. And I think the drivers that are fighting for p15 And p14 would fight even harder. But what do you think?
to me a lot of moaning. i loved the Schumacher domination where he, at times, lapped the whole field except the top 3 and THEY SHOWED HIS BRILLIANCE ON TV WAY MORE THAN THEY SHOW MAX' S THESE DAYS!
Also, if someone didn’t want to see the Chicago Bulls dominate every game, they could just watch other teams play. That just isn’t an option in F1
@@nickallyourthings you can then expand that to any othe sport in general. The thing is, F1 itself suffers from insane domination like this. Frankly mercedes domination was probably good for the sport because it made a driver/team an icon while most seasons still had some competitiveness
F1 has ALWAYS had a dominant team for the last 50 odd years. It’s nothing new and it is a cycle. Hamilton has a lot of fans for different reasons, largely his sustained success. He isn’t helping the sport with all the complaining. Reality is he’s never had a car which was out of the top 5 on the grid.
Ferrari would have lots of wins if they’d executed well…
@@IsaacSturdeeNot as clear as now though. in the last 13 years only two teams have won the title. The second longest dominance of 2 teams was 1984-1993 and those had some of the closest seasons ever. Its really gotten worse
watching for who comes second is an option. there are 5 potential teams that can fill 2nd and 3rd, including one of redbulls. Behind max, everyone is so close to each other, again including perez's redbull. Redbull doing a good job and max driving near perfect every weekend, doesnt make regulations wrong etc. It shows either that other teams failed or red bull succeeded spectacularly, with max at least. It also doesnt negate the penalty they got for such a minor overspending. they achieved this domination DISPITE having so little wing tunnel time compared to others. This only proves that redbull overcame the penalty successfully, and can manage their resources efficiently, while other teams cant. Their speed advantage doesnt come from engine alone either, so...
F1 is a competition for teams to produce fastest cars within regulations. wdc is cared for more by the fans, thus making it a perfect PR for team. but the sport is about wcc primarily. If one team manages to build that car, it is not a fault but a reason for praise. Sure watching same person win can get boring, but it doesnt affect what the sport is, it is the actual nature of F1. Only person you can be annoyed that it is always the same winner is the driver sitting next to him in the same car, and other teams.
RB did their work, mercedes and ferrari bottled up so much that aston and mclaren overtook them. This is a more likely reason for your annoyance.
@@nickallyourthings Definitely not watching WEC instead of F1
Unpopular opinion, this years domination isn't because RB have done anything super special, but its because Ferrari and Mercedes messed up, messed up so hard AM overtook both early season and now McLaren overtook both late season. If the F1-75 developed properly, and TD39 didn't affect their car, I bet we would see Ferrari fighting at the front this year.
Yeah you are likely correct
If one team does well and the other don't then its the same thing isn't it.
I've been screaming this for the whole season. RB have run an airtight ship, but it's not like the RB19 is some freak of nature. It seems to me like the competition is simply trash this season. RB competitors at the front simply dropped the ball extremely hard
A bit of both for sure. McLaren & Aston's jump up is exceptionally impressive, in part, because of how stagnant Merc and Ferrari have been.
Same thing for W11
The way racing works as opposed to other sports makes domination more frustrating if its not your team. As great as Jordan and the Bulls were, my favorite team did not have to play him every single game of the year! Max is at every "GAME". And you're right if he was jumping with his tongue out at the baseline over 3 guys it would be more interesting.
I think this is the main thing. If every team in the Premier League played in 1 big match every week, teams like Luton, Sheffield etc would drown more than they do now as well. People would get bored of Man City/Arsenal/etc. winning all the time.
Agreed, racing is different. Particularly where F1 isn't a spec series. 98 Yankees, 01 Lakers, 07 Pats, 15-16 dubs, last year's Bruins, even though not all those teams won the final game of the season, other sports are closer to "spec series" for lack of a better term. If Max was doing this in the same machinery as the rest of the field then it would be more impressive to me personally. I still enjoy F1 but the competition aspect doesn't hit the same as when you get domination in other sports.
Max should Le Mans start every race
@@TommoMcCluskeysomething else that added to the boost of F1 was covid. F1 was one of the only sports really going during covid when a lot of other sports were shut down. That attracted lots of fans who were left out of the sport they were mainly following, and led them to F1. Once F1 got "boring" they hopped off as they were never F1 lifers.
That, Netflix, and the amazing fights between Merc and RB created a perfect storm of attraction.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN It's interesting that in the North American major league team sports, none of the most dominant regular season teams ended up winning the championship at the end of the season: baseball (Chicago Cubs & Seattle both with 116 wins), football (New England winning all 16 games, losing in the Super Bowl), hockey (Boston last year set the record with 135 points) and basketball (Golden State Warriors a few years back, 73-9 regular season).
A sport will never die from dominance, because people are living for the day the dominance breaks. That’s when the viewership will rocketship. The reason ‘21 was as interesting as it was was because a different team could challenge the then reigning 7 time champs. If it was inter team battle it wouldn’t be as interesting as a different team coming in imo.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
@@TommoMcCluskeyextended absence makes the heart forget though...
Honestly, it's quite the opposite. Viewer counts went ever higher while Michael Jordan led the Bulls to their six titles, and then dropped dramatically after he retired. And despite the fact that people call the current streak boring or "hate" Max and RB for being so dominant, you BET if they saw him on the street they'd still ask for an autograph. There's also a very interesting relation between Golf viewer count and whether or not Tiger Woods was attending (e.g. 2013 and 2014 US Open and Masters).
I for one am enjoying this, every minute at a time. This is the first time I can witness a legend in the making. For Lewis, I was too late, I missed out on all the stuff from about 2008 to 2018. But not this time. People hated Ferrari in the early 2000s, now everyone is nostalgic about it. People hated Mercedes in the 2010s, and they will be nostalgic about it in time. At some point, people will talk with nostalgia about this era, and I will know: I was there. I saw it when it happened. And it was fucking glorious.
Also, there's so much more to see even in current day's F1. Take last week's race at Qatar, I wasn't watching that for Max, I was in there for Piastri. And boy, did he deliver. I can't wait to see his development in the next 2-3 years. There's a lot of young talent around now. Who knows, maybe, if the racing gods will it, we'll get another season like 2013 in the not too distant future.
@@sebastianahrens2385 with many of the cases they’re unpredictable and the outcome is uncertain. With Max Verstappen however the outcome is guaranteed. Max will win every single race in 2024 and nobody will come close to challenging him. What made the other previous eras’ dominance somewhat entertaining was the uncertainty of when it was going to come to an end or eventually be challenged. RedBull is so dominant that the outcome is guaranteed, they will win almost every race for years to come and nobody will even come the slightest bit close to challenging them at all. That is the kind of dominance that can kill the viewership of a sport.
@@mx1593 Just look at 2002. Ferrari made the rest of the grid look like toddlers in pushcars. Everyone expected the same for 2003, yet Kimi almost beat Michael. Max' current Dominance won't "hurt" the sport any more than the 8 years of Mercedes before him did. Also, people don't just tune in for P1. McLaren's recent return to form and Oscar Piastri in general are some of my key points to watch, for example.
Some of us watched through the Schumi dominance. Through the Vettel dominance. Through the Hamilton dominance. We’ll continue through the Verstappen dominance, regardless of “engagement” numbers.
It is the very nature of the sport. Part of the decline in engagement stems from new(er) fans not fully understanding the cyclical nature of Formula 1. Whether those new fans stick around to see another team eventually topple Red Bull, and Max, is another matter entirely. It isn’t the fault of the winning team. The trailing teams need to step up, if the “spectacle” of F1 is THAT important to everyone.
Personally, i’m enjoying seeing Max in the prime of his life.
Yep. ‘I remember’, gramps croaks, ‘when Senna won by lapping everyone up to second place’. Gramps nods off again.
It was just as annoying then. Max wins by 30 seconds? ‘Pfwah. In my time…’ Gramps trails off and starts to snore.
yea when Michael Schumacher dominated, the pole laps were incredible. We still go back and listen to the "screaming V10s". When Vettel dominated, we were stunned at how confident he was in every pole lap, his ability when he felt good in a race car. Then we saw Hamilton being the greatest qualifier in history, which is never boring because you have to realize that you're watching live what people will talk about for years to come. Now to see Verstappen dethrone and then take over from the statistical goat with his raw ability and seeing him emulate Vettel as well is pretty sweet. Appreciate the ability in qualifying, that's when you'll never be bored.
100% agree. Its about the fans who stay and have stayed for decades. Might not be what F1 and the FIA want to hear becuase its not the optimizing cash flow sentiment. But its exciting even if 1 team or driver is dominating. Its the most exciting racing series in the world where 20 (give or take a couple drivers lol) race around tracks all over the world in the fastest cars in the world. If thats not exciting, I dont know what is. Its exciting even at its most boring times, but when its competitive, its just that many more levels above what were seeing now.
Yup. And the Senna/Prost/Lauda years... I'm not quite old enough for the Clark and Hill years and definitely not the Fangio/Ascari years!
This just happens!
I saw a good line someone say that summed it well. Many new fans were sold entertainment, now they're being sold sport. Something along those lines.
When it comes to other sports: there are always other matches to watch. I can imagine that for casual fans, F1 can feel like watching the same match over and over again.
It doesn’t change the fact that people didn’t like the best team winning all the time. A lot of non bulls fans hated the bulls eg knicks fans for sure. There’s a reason why the chant “beat LA” came back when Kobe was on the lakers. People like myself hated man united winning all the time despite me supporting a club outside of the premier league and there being other matches to watch.
That's why the variance amongst the rest is so welcome.
casual fans should also educate themselves under the category of motorsports that there are other series as well, not just F1
Someone dominating in other sports can be interesting because there's different ways it can happen. In tennis, football, basketball... there are so many different ways it can happen with a variety of highlight worthy plays. When Max is out in front by more than 4 seconds... he's just out in front. The telecast won't even show him most of the time, unless it's for a pitstop or the weather changes. That's why it's boring compared to other sports. And like anything, boring is relative. Most RB and Max fans are absolutely loving how things are, as they should. Their guy/team is winning. And then there are F1 fans who also love it because what Max is doing is historic and just out of this world. But like anything, there's always the other side. Best race of the year was Singapore. Why? Because we didn't know what was going to happen. Wish we had more of that but that's just how F1 is these days.
Gospel, this comment.
Considers all sides and provides the most logical and broadest reason behind the problem.
This is also relative to other motorsports where and when these things happen, and how often.
Greetings from 2024! There will be no Singapore 23 occurrence this year and RedBull is going to win every single race for the next 8 seasons :)
Some drop off is just natural - 2020 F1 was one of few world class sports events in Covid. 2021 closest championship for ages, 2022 new rules - all mixed up Ferrari looking strong. Now in 23 its more settled, and all that one-offness of the last 3 years has gone. And I'm OK with that, true fans keep watching - I'm almost 4 decades in as a F1 fan!
I started watching last year and as much as I feel the Max dominance ruins the excitement in the races I also know that if Leclerc, Albon or Norris were winning so often I wouldn't be mad about it - sometimes you just gotta sit it out and let one type of fan have extra fun for a while you know, so I'm on board with being OK with the dominance as well!
Yeah it's a good point, 2020, 21 & 22 were all seasons with exceptional circumstances that aren't particularly common.
Especially a global pandemic... 😬
Hear hear
and there are still a lot of people (like me) who are down the rabbit hole from those exiting years and will keep watching if F1 settles down to normal operating procedures. I think this season is very exicting to watch if you ignore the fact that Max is just on the front. Behind him a lot of interesting stuff happens on race day and a lot of stories are developing over the course of the year, like AMs strong start, McLarens revival, Williams outperforming the other bottom teams, etc., and regarding the individal drivers the strong performance of Piastri, Albon, Alonso (and Sainz?). Its a good year, if you care about who comes in 2nd or gets into the points and not just who wins the race.
The problem is that teams dominating for long periods and by a big distance has been happening more frequently in the last 15 years or so. Whether it's the slower frequency of big rule changes I'm not sure, but before that we were often only getting 1-2 seasons of single team dominance, when it occurred - mclaren 1988-1991 being the exception.
A lot of people, especially new people, seem to think that formula 1 is about the drivers but in reality formula 1 is about the technical innovations and the team competition.
If they want a spec series they can go watch formula e or something, I genuinely think that a LOT of "fans" simply do not understand the point of f1. (That and they don't like it when a driver they don't like is winning).
louder for the people in the back
THIS!!!! Could not have said it better my friend.
Exactly, the constructors, and all the innovation etc behind it are a big part of the 'formula' of Formula 1. I really don't get why a lot of people are only interested in who occupies the P1 position, while there is so much fun to be had in following the positions behind it. And even so, the way in which P1 gets the performance out of the car, his consistency in doing so etc. is also very interesting. These people must have been very bored as well in de Mercedes era.
indeed, verstappen is probably the most hated driver after stroll on the grid now and for no real reason, people just hate hate him, he even has less followers than charles on instagram lol i think if it was charles dominating people's opinion on the season would be very different
Maybe the sport isn't doing a good enough job to communicate that though? Cos I you're right.
The context behind these stats are so important. The DTS boom, sports in covid and the lack of other things to watch, new regulations etc.
Exactly!! And it’s ONLY SOCIAL MEDIA. Most F1 viewers aren’t even on social media, not posting abt F1 at all.
With NBA i can watch 50 different games that the Chicago Bulls aren't a part of. With F1 it's literally the same drivers every single race and mostly the same winners.
In my, admittedly unpopular, opinion, the biggest mistake F1 ever made was insisting on reliability. Reliability = predictability = boring. In the "good" old days the fastest car had a reasonable chance of not making it to the flag (Anyone remember Kimi @ McLaren?), so even if the best driver had the fastest car there was still no guarantee they would win, and things were unpredictable. It would be interesting to see the % wins by the fastest car in each season, by decade. I bet it is way higher in the last couple of decades.
so you mean to tell me the thing that made f1 most interesting in the past was the fact that it was a spectacle where the real cards where layed down on the line and that through sheer grit and determination a driver could push through straight and become a champion? Sounds like real sport to me. not this fake crap they show us now.
Im a Mercedes fan, and yeah I ho and humm about the domination, but there is an aspect to the sport that is exciting to watch still. Obviously seeing RB dominate is annoying lol, but being a race fan comes first and you just cant help but admire and appreciate the greatness.
Max and RB have completely hit the ball out the park. That car is an amazing piece of engineering and I got into F1 because of how amazing the engineering behind these cars are. At the same time, they have a driver that just goes out there and drives that car like its a rocket ship on rails. Hes got complete control, rarely makes mistakes, and you dont get fastest lap after fastest lap but just simply having a better car. His racecraft is amazing to watch, his lines are nearly perfect everytime, and he manages his car and understands how much he can push to the frustration of GP lol. Everytime they get into a bit of a scuffle about Max pushing too hard, it almost always results in a "I told you I could push and still be fine" moment. Again, all of it is frustrating, and being a Mercedes fan, I saw how toxic people became watching their domination and refuse to be that kind of fan.
Im a race fan first, and what they're doing is just amazing and a pleasure to watch. I'll get to tell people when Im older, that I got to see Max Verstappen race, just like I'll get to boast about how I got to see Lewis Hamilton race.
I still think Singapore was by far the best race of the season, trying to put my biases aside. I think a competitive F1 is the best version of F1. I wish every season was a 2021, or 2011, 2008, or 2007.....But the reality is in the modern era, if you get it really right at the start of new regs, you're probably going to be dominating till the second last or last season when everyone catches up. Its how its gone for the past few reg changes. I wish they could do something about it, but the only way I can think of is making it a spec. series. And nobody wants to ruin the amazing engineering behind F1 by making it a spec. series. (I find spec. series kinda boring, though they may be more competitive champioships, a bit of a catch 22...)
Hopefully they can find creative ways of making the series more competitive going forward without ruining the integrity. And though ill complain and make comments about RB and stuff, at the very core, its Formula 1. Its the most exciting racing series in the world where 20 (give or take a couple drivers lol) race around tracks all over the world in the fastest cars in the world. If thats not exciting, I dont know what is. Its exciting even at its most boring times, but when its competitive, its just that many more levels above what were seeing now.
This is the mindset right here. Max can fuck right of, but that win streak was impressive
as a modern era RB and Merc fan, this is the most based comment, thank you, Sir
Personally I've been a RBR fan since the days it was a midfield team and a Max fan after I saw his skills in F3 (or whatever it was called at that point). During the years of Mercedes/Hamilton dominances I felt the same as what you describe here. I have watched nearly every race for 20+ years (grew up with Der Michael) and I will do so for as long as I can, because what a driver or team can produce will always be incredible to watch. 2014 will always be in my mind as a boring season, but I will always be in awe of what the Mercs were able to do, for example. The rise of social media presence for F1 coincided with the most excited season I have ever seen. This has given those new viewers an impossibly high bar of excitement to match.
Like you mention in your 3rd "section", we have been able to see the sports greatest drivers ever at work. Whether you are a fan of one and loathe the other, it doesn't matter. Their accomplishments are just otherworldly. The same debate exists in other sports, with Messi vs Ronaldo as a prime example. No matter your personal preference, everybody should be able to acknowledge the greatness they both carry with them.
@@messorix2033 Yeah exactly. Its simply the best way to watch sports. To be able to sit back, seperate yourself from your emotion and bias, and just saw "wow" what a moment.... It just changes the experience. If youre letting sports effect your emotions and whether you have a good day/week/month in a negative way, I think youre missing out. Its one of the main reasons why I hate sports gambling. You cant enjoy a sporting event and appreciate it for what it is when youre losing money.
@@Amm17ar Well said. That doesn't mean achievements from your favorite team/driver shouldn't be celebrated as much as you want though. When Max won his first GP back in 2015, I celebrated hard. When Max took his first championship, I cried. I have done nothing of the sorts for any other driver and that's okay. Playing in a fantasy championship or something like that, with a maybe a prizepool at the end, that is also fine. Straight up betting on it, not so much. For now, enjoy what you are given and acknowledge it for what it is. That is all I can add
F1 has always had a clear winning team. Every different generation of car has had a different winning team. Its part of the sport.
Its not that weird that the hype is down because we just had one of the greatest seasons of all time (2021) and a very exciting first half of 2022.
Few people in the comments are saying it’s about appreciating the engineering of the team and skills of the driver which to a level I agree with, it is impressive, but the majority of people don’t want to sit here and watch the cars go for a Sunday drive they wanna see the fight to win, they wanna see overtakes and close races, KNOWING that the same person will always bee ahead isn’t exactly giving that. There is so much more about the sport to appreciate but it’s not what brings the excitement.
Im so early i beat Max Verstappen
But not faster than me 😂
@@algodooracer4536It was a bit of fun chill out. 😂
@@algodooracer4536 ay bro hold this
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The amount of gatekeeping in this comment section is insane. These are the reasons this is seen as an elitist fanbase.
On the other hand, Indycar had 6 different winners in 6 races and 8 different winners total this season
F1 used to be like this also. 2012 season was nuts. With 6 world champions and 7 different winners the first 7 races. THAT was F1
@@Oi-mj6dvthat was the pinnacle of F1
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I hope F1 keeps in mind that it is a sport and not chase after a nonexistent fanbase at the expense of long time fans.
Been watching since '08 (maybe that isn't long term) and I'm having a harder and harder time setting time aside to watch such a boring event. I'm not sure there's any solution to it tho, we can't just order RB's to drive around with 3 wheels
@@rasmuspoulsen5320 I've also been watching since China 2008, I mean this is a technical sport. I admire the incredible technical complexity, the engineering ingenuity, also the skills on display from the drivers. There's so many cool things which for new fans can still be mind-blowing. Like if you just show an absolute racing newbie an f1 pitstop, they'd be wondering how human beings can move that quickly. We're the most jaded but we're also the most loyal. Our attitude towards the skill on display reflects on how the new fans see it. Old fans shape the angle that we look at dominance from. I admire the pole laps in dominant years.
We're the most jaded but we're also the most loyal. Our attitude towards the skill on display reflects on how the new fans see it. Old fans shape the angle that we look at dominance from.
mate, it's 2023, Sport = Fans, Fans = Money.
Like they did in 2021 when they changed the rules of the sport on the last lap and turned off many long time fans?
Tommo I like your channel because I find your videos tend to focus on quantitative analysis of the sport rather than random subjective opinions, thanks for another banger
I think a lot of new fans came on to the scene enjoying the proper title fight in 21. Once that trailed off in 22 and fell off a cliff this year many of them lost interest. They didn't really enjoy the sport for its own sake, just like i dont enjoy football unless its the world cup. I'm a new fan of F1 and honestly i'm enjoying this year more than the first one that i saw in 21 because behind Max there's actually a much more competitive fight than in the previous two years. Im also enjoying everything to do with the updates brought to cars and the rise and fall of teams and their drivers. There's not much to be done about that without screwing up what F1 is. If some people are only excited about who is P1, that's fine, they can be bored or leave if they want to.
IF YOU THINK ONE PERSON WINNING EVERY RACE IS GOOD THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU
Fanboys worship personality, they don't actually enjoy the competition, they just want to see the thing they worship win to reinforce their pride.
I think the problem is, ultimately, that motorsports is very much not like other sports. And F1 especially. Motorsports, in my mind, are much more complicated than traditional sports, because it involves the machine; it’s about man AND machine.
Other sports, it’s all about the athlete and their skill. But in motorsports, the machine is equally important. And in F1, which at its core is actualy an engineering championship before you even get to the drivers part of it, that makes things much more complicated.
I’m pretty sure most people are seeing the current situation in F1 as “Max is winning” or maybe “Max and Red Bull are winning”. But I don’t think the true depth of that is fully appreciated by a lot of people. Winning this consistently isn’t just a driver being really good, it’s an entire team being on point. It’s the engineers finding the best answer to the problem, and others not being able to do so.
I like watching motorsports because I like machines and stuff. If someone isn’t willing to fully engage with that side of these sports, then it’s obvious that the events of a season like this will be taken completely the wrong way. And I accept that- appreciating the technical aspects of things like race cars isn’t for everyone. But I’m not willing to dilute something like F1 into “who’s the fastest driver in a car” because that’s not what it should be, even if the general audience thinks that’s what it is.
Even as a new fan it doesn't take much looking up and searching to realize that the name of the game in F1 from a teams' POV is domination, not exciting races or scripted fights or pure drama on and off the track. It's about who can build the fastest car and be the most well-oiled machine. And I feel like the "Domination kills the sport" overlooks how F1 didn't really die out overall no matter how many times one team would crush everyone else. There's always been that promise of "closer racing" or "exciting racing" every time new regulations gets introduced but then the opposite happens, but the sport still finds a way to thrive one way or another. There will always be years when it feels boring and others feel exciting. Yes, fans in general would be happy with closer racing, but there needs to be that recognition that isn't always the case.
One idea that I've heard about watching Formula E that probably fits well here is that you can't watch FE with the expectation that it's like F1 (super fast and loud and big circuits and whatnot), because you'll always be disappointed. I think something similar can be said for F1. You can't watch F1 expecting standings will always be topsy turvy and teams would leapfrog over another several times in a regulation cycle. If that's the way you're watching F1, then disappointment is already expected.
I feel like that report is like a nice-to-know thing but I doubt F1 can do anything outside of pulling back Red Bull, but then that goes against the whole point F1 being the "pinaccle of motorsport" where innovation is key. And whenever someone always tries to use that as ammo to call for Red Bull being nerfed, where do the other teams factor in during that situation? I guarantee that with how good the team is operating now, they'd probably work around whatever gets thrown at them anyway.
Plus, tame/predictable/demoralizingly "boring" seasons are what make the good seasons incredibly exciting because of the rarity. If every race was crazy, then what even is the real form book? Although a few years of one regulation set is exactly what you need because by the end of an era teams usually close up. We stuck with the 2017 rules (modified them slightly for 2019 and then again 2021) and then we had 13/14 different drivers on the podium in 2020 and 2021 with some unbelievable race results, chaos etc.,. So I'm glad McLaren are catching up. Let the rules stay exactly the same so that they can continue. Likewise I hope Aston learn from this year's development mistakes. I wanna also see Ferrari get it together (most wishful thought here cause this is more unlikely than wishing for an f1 drive for myself). Mercedes should also finally accept that they need to learn from Red Bull or Ferrari and McLaren in terms of car concept and design. That way we'd have a season like 2010 or 2012 with all these cars on the podium several times throughout the year. If it gets a little bit more crazy, a new champion on the books.
4:24 disagree.
The nature of social media is just a place when to throw your emotion. It's just come natural for non-RB supporter (which is majority, compared to RB fans) to see F1 as boring.
Moreover, (I don't if this has been included or not but) I think social media banter and accusations (which is more like toxic fans behavior) more or less influencing the way we discuss F1 in social media. For a fans that just want to enjoy the sport, excessive and unnecessary drama is the least thing they wanted in their timeline.
But look at how the money they made this year, as far as I know this year experience a massive sold out every Grand Prix with a lot record breaking attendance. Look how much merch sold, subscription purchased etc.
I think the social media not always become the barometer of how good a sport is doing. There are a lot of caveat in it. Just my 2 cents.
People need to learn that F1 is about 20 cars and not just the 1 in front...
I think because in other sports, for example football, there is a sense of unpredictability. If Man City played Luton 100 times they wouldn’t beat them 100 times. But in F1 it doesn’t feel like that. Red Bull would have beaten Haas 100 times out of 100 in the Japanese GP
disagree, the unpredictability is the same
@@birandkoraythere's some, but it's nowhere close to as unpredictable as other sports leagues. Most sports I watch have a decent chance of having the underdog not only compete with the top teams, but win. If RB doesn't win in Japan, it was going to be one of Ferrari, Mercedes, or McLaren, unless you have a Hungary 2021 deal go on.
I tend to disagree on this one. I think one could argue F1 has more unpredictability given you can have mechanical issues, changeable weather conditions, crashes and flags, all which could have significant impact on outcome. The reason why RB would be able to beat Haas most of the time comes down to the fact that there is such a big difference in performance. Football would be the same if you had two teams with extreme difference in strength. It is just happening less in football because there is less differential.
@@tak8261 That used to be so but not any more. The technical aspects have become so advanced that you almost never see a top team lose a race through mechanical failure, even in a lower tech series like NASCAR. In the past you'd see a top team lead and dominate a race and then suddenly the engine would blow up or something would break near the end and some lesser team might take the victory. When do you ever see that happen nowadays? Almost never in F1 and almost never even in NASCAR or IndyCars. In NASCAR and IndyCar, however, because the racing is closer, you might see a dominant team taken out in a late race accident, so there is a factor of unpredictability there, but in F1, by the end of the race, the field is so stretched out and the leader so far ahead that even the possibility of a results changing accident are almost nil and the top drivers under those circumstances never blow a race through their own error. Since they carry enough fuel to run the whole race, you don't even have the possibility (that exists in NASCAR & IndyCar) of a team losing by running out of gas, so the last unpredictable factor is tires, a team losing a race by blowing a tire, and how often does that happen in F1?
I think the difference is that it is FAR more fun to watch Man City destroy Luton and Haaland score six goals than it is to watch Max ten seconds ahead driving literally on his own, Perez three seconds ahead of Leclrec in third.
It's literally just three drivers on their own.
I got turned off-it has become a sport with no competition...really boring.When you know the outcome before the start-why even place a bet....Is one engine a little stronger than another-is someone cheating-another turnoff...plus he has the the personality of a slug
Tommo, I think that two things play a part of why people feel aggrieved by this current season are that
A) the grid has so many talented drivers that aren’t been given a chance to show what they can do and, in sense, feel like their talent is being wasted. Lewis, George, Charles, Carlos, Fernando and to a lesser degree Norris and Piastri to name a few.
And B) the “battle for P2” doesn’t feel like a real battle. Some tracks Ferrari are second best by miles and others McLaren are faster by miles. There’s no overlap or close battle. It’s either an easy Ferrari double top four or an easy McLaren double top four.
Lesser extent? My man norris is the best driver behind Max
@@tiebiriusg No he’s not. 😂. He’s maybe top five on his best day only.
Norris has passed russel in a car that was a tractor for half the season. Wheras russel has had a top 5 car the entire season
@@tiebiriusg Norris’s car was only bad for six races and second fastest for ten races while Merc has always been third or fourth fastest.
Also Norris is teamed with a rookie so he’ll obviously have more points off that alone. While George is teamed with Lewis.
@@Alonso_The_GOATAnd Russell. Despite a bad season he’s still better than Norris.
Here's my take: I am a fan of the sport first and foremost - the art of driving, the technology, the tracks, the cars. At the end of the day, that allows me to appreciate even the "boring" races/seasons. For example, watching Max (the best driver right now) sync perfectly with that RB19, its beautiful to watch because its so close to "perfect" f1 racing. Just admire the talent on both ends. Same goes for Hamilton in the W11. I certainly like certain drivers, but at the end of the day, even if (for example) Charles is having a bad season, seeing Carlos get those poles and the win was exciting, even though on a normal weekend I care more for Charles than Carlos.
Basically, I feel that being a fan of a certain driver first and foremost will lead to disappointment, because this sport only has so many drivers who are actually in a position to win. Appreciate the sport as a whole, and no matter who is winning/dominating, you can take SOMETHING out of the weekend
Well said
Tldr: you are watching the fast cars wrong
Its boring. I'm what was regarded as a die hard fan, I've watched 4 races to the end this year. Some I didn't even turn it on after qualifying. Nobody watches it to see who comes 2nd its not even a sport worth investing in (i.e. a TV package or the time).
The other teams dropped the ball and the FIA have done nothing to target Red Bulls advantage which is what they did with ferrari in 2005 (Tyres) and Mercedes in 2021 (Floor).
I'd definitely limit the use of DRS in the race (15 hits or so) and ban it in qualifying.
The sport will spiral and spiral until it ends. It was similar situation in the Schumacher era and when it ended it was amazing for the next 6 seasons.
Verstappen has already won every championship till 2026 unless FIA do something to hurt Red Bull, thats what they need to do for the sake of the business.
The new rules made the sport worse, the overtaking situation is the same so you have got to wonder what was the point in it all.
Verstappen's domination has brought about a level of boring rarely (if ever) seen in f1 before. Even in the times of Hamilton and vettel domination, at least they got challenged sometimes and there were some other race winners. Since about race 4, only one other driver has won a Grand Prix. There is no interest, unless verstappem starts 8th or lower, because his car is so much faster and will win.
Funny to read F1 fans so content with boring predictability in F1 as if it is normal and inevitable when there are so much good racing and side by side action in other disciplines, particularly 2 wheels. Heck even WEC.
The important thing is F1 domination removes the 'racing' part of what is a direct competition sport. Lewis and Max during their domination are just cruising in the front. There is no action.
I don't know why people are so focused on the same person winning that they forget there are 19 other positions being fought for every race
There’s been many articles dismissing this ‘fact’ about social media. First of all its not where F1 gets it’s money…its in attendance and viewings across Television platforms and both are wildly popular.
What’s going on is I hardly post anything anymore social media IS SO DAM TOXIC. I’m a fan of a driver and even on a positive thread some other fan of another driver will jump on and destroy the mood, insult the driver and insult YOU. The thread ends, their victory is in the bag. I see this most with Hamilton fans because these ‘boring’ tags come from British accounts and/or Hamilton accounts. I did a deep dive into this phenomena and out of the thirty accounts who were jumping to other fan thread and being negative, 24 were Hamilton fan accounts.
I have no dog in this fight but I’m sure if the dominance changed bac to Hamilton, you’d see negativity from Verstappen fans, at least a small amount. Most Verstappen fans I meet are very positive and happy but then again it’s their driver doing the dominating.
Also one thing to add is that a lot of people are straight up CONFUSED about the new 2022 and onwards regs, they think "closer racing" means that the cars are closer in peak performance and people do not seem to understand "close racing" vs "close competition", so they end up feeling lied to.
Oh man, this is such a frustrating part of it. Seeing the constant "Max wins by 30 sec, what happened to closer racing???" being parroted because apparently only 5% of people understand what it means.
I've seen so many people complain that formula 1 isn't close between the teams, because they don't understand the point of formula 1 at all and they think there is an obligation for it to be a spec series or something.
There was hope that budget cap and wind tunnel limitations on better teams will lead to teams being closer together. That unfortunately hasn't happened.
@isaacm2374 we have only had a view year with the costcap now. So I think we need a bit longer to get a somewhat level playing field.
Not gonna lie I think for motorsports in general it's nice to see f1 slow down. Other series have been brought more into positive lights and it is nice to see fans of F1 experience other forms of racing
the numbers just tells me how annoying, boring and predictable most social media fans are. cheers Tommo! :)
f1 fans will complain about dominance but still watch their sport because they believe other motorsports are not worth watching
I stopped watching f1 after the 5th Hamilton championship then in 21 a contender woke me up again
Would the past couple of years be that boring if Max wasn't in a Red Bull? At least there's a good chance that the future won't have a dominant car like Mercedes had for 7 years.
you smashed this video out of the park! a lot of time, thought and research went into this. the dominance is one thing but the distance max has over the rest of the grid oh my gosh the distance with his own teammate. we really do love the wheel to wheel action and i hope we can see more of it in 2024 (frontline at least) mid field has put on a SHOW!
70% of that 70% drop was the LH44 hashtag keyboard warriors running out of material. So it's not nearly as drastic a drop in interest as it appears on the surface. The TV rating are dow, but no where near 70%. Been watching F1 since the late 90's and it WAY WAY more popular that it ever was
Topic opinions aside, quick compliment to @TommoOnRUclips. This is some solid, fun and entertaining content. Genuinely decent chat as well as editing. Nice one!
I am already finding 2024 boring. Not having anyone to really race Max Makes this season dull already. F1 would do well to get rid of getting rid of Max and do something to make the cars more equal.
The way I look at it. NASCAR grew in the 80’s due to the snowstorm in the northeast USA that opened the eyes of a traditionally southern sport. COVID has the same effect for F1 as everyone was stuck in their house on their streaming services. The faster something grows, the worse the optics are when it starts to show realistic growth.
Comparing 7 years of absolute domination from Mercedes with only two years of domination from Red Bull, (with the first WDC for Max the Red Bull was not the dominant car) under complete different regulations, is ridiculous. The new rules are already doing their effect on the grid. Look at the improvements from McClaren and Williams and Aston Martin. With the new rules, such as more wind tunnel time for the lowest ranked teams and less wind tunnel time for the highest ranked teams, and the budget cap, it is much harder for a single team to stay the dominant team for as long as Mercedes did.
Your videos are better over time - you are finding new interesting ways to analysis. Interesting historically stats I never saw before. Keep it up ❤
The media and F1 themselves are to blame, all coverage focuses on the 3 top cars in any race. The mid field could have the race and battles of the century and it will be completely ignored by everyone.
The sport itself is boring guys sorry to break it to y'all. What makes it interesting is the stories, the overtakes, the drama. When I know Max is going to be 30 seconds ahead of everyone by lap 10 I lose interest. When the drivers are just like well Max is going to win we will do our best to catch him... is fkn boring.
I don't think the premise is correct. It's the same in other sports. Dominance isn't seen as exciting in other sports either. Look at social during those times, everyone complains during the dominant eras.
The thing about dominance though, it does attract casual viewers. Breaking records and such is good publicity. And it also creates legacy. When the dominant era is over people tend to look back on the era more fondly than they actually felt during the era.
Basketball as an example. The Durant warriors at the time, everyone complained about it being unfair, predictable, and boring. But the viewership numbers were good due to publicity, and in 10 years the era will be perceived and more legendary.
Dominance in head to sports is simply different to dominance in racing. It can be really fun to watch the Warriors play lights out basketball and win by 30 points. They're dribbling, shooting, passing amazingly.
In F1, it just Max out on his own racing. There's no opponent his is directly overcoming, you get me? That's a lot less interesting. And the skill he is showing is not really as apparent as a three pointer or a free kick. It's so subtle almost no one even understands what he is doing well.
8 constructors’ titles, > 100 victories, all manner of records and the unofficial naming rights to an entire era of Formula 1 - Mercedes’ dominance of the V6 turbo-hybrid formula has been total.
Probably the most educated explanation of the current F1 situation I’ve heard. I really believe next season will be different (said everyone every year) but it does feel like it’s getting closer!
the 2022 social media engagement where mostly lewis and max Fans going for each others throat
You want to know the answer why? Look back to 2004 and watch a race, now do the same with a 2022/2023 race. If you have a soul you will have your answer.
Nostalgia merchant
The thing about the Chicago Bulls also was that they were dominant, but it was the regular season. People knew that we'd still have playoffs coming up and you can lose in the playoffs in 4 games. Different type of pressure and atmosphere. You can't recreate that in F1. Well, there is NASCAR with the Cup Playoffs and I love NASCAR, but I wouldn't implement that system into F1. NASCAR also has much more races in a season than most forms of motorsports.
I'd also like to point out that someone like Messi can dominate individually, but still lose the game because he's only one guy in a team of eleven players. Football is also a low scoring game. Freak results are much more likely there than in most other sports.
I'd have to agree that F1 suffers from domination a lot more than most sports. I don't know a solution other than praying for Ferrari (personally speaking), Mercedes and/or McLaren to catch up and surpass Red Bull.
One thing I don’t like about this generation of F1, the drivers don’t challenge each other enough. They don’t battle hard, they let each other pass and rely on speed to overtake again. They aren’t as ruthless and aggressive. Also team orders are ruining it. Let them battle like Vettel and Webber. Like Lewis and Rosberg
A note about comparing something like F1 to other sports, like football or the like: In F1 (and other motorsports) all participants in the series or league compete in all events. In other sports you have two competitors or teams in each event, and the rest in the league are not involved. That can build up excitement about being undefeated in way which cannot happen if all competitors were competing in each single event, since it would just be the best team winning and no surprises. Since there can only be one winner per event it means that in something like F1 there is no way to have anticipation for a particular match-up, like the two best performing teams of a tournament facing off in a final. Those sports are so fundamentally different from each other.
You made a good point about how motorsport is quite unique compared to other sports when it comes what domination looks like.
In a lot of sports, being so much better often equates to more action, even if it's one sided. More people watched basketball during the Chicago Bulls dynasty (and later the Kobe-Shaq Lakers) because whilst the conclusion was obvious, there was an excitement in seeing what they could do. You play less conservatively when you know you're going to win, so you see a lot more showing off and amazing feats.
Being too far ahead of everyone else in motorsport tends to mean less meaningful action at the front, so for more casual fans who watch for battles, for close racing or for crashes and mechanical faults, seeing a car go around a track for two hours with absolutely nothing to meaningfully challenge them is inevitably going to have people tune out. I stopped watching F1 during the Schumi years after the late Murray Walker retired and only came back after he had retired the first time.
As for what to do about it, I'm not sure much can really be done about it until the next significant set of rule changes mixes everything up again.
Max isn’t the issue. The other cars are the problem. Not enough blame gets put on the other top teams. Max is fantastic but give him the same car and get the other teams to build better cars then you get exciting races even with Max being as amazing as he is. He wouldn’t win as much or easily. The top teams deserve more blame cause they technically can achieve the same or close to what RB has.
I have watched the least amount of races this year in the last 5 years cause I just knew Max would win almost everything and also because the fan base has become increasingly toxic, particularly about Lewis good or bad people just makes fun of the man. So for me its the boring races and the toxic community thats making me enjoy the sport less this year
The toxicity is worse than it ever has been for F1. Its a shame really. I want to share the joy of racing with others, but its harder and harder to do so these days
If the dominance shakes off some of the DTS fans who latched onto F1 after being sold entertainment (rather than sport), it can only be a good thing.
I can't recall a worse season than what we're having now. Even the Schumacher and Vettel era's were not nearly as tedious as this and as much as I dislike Redbull and Verstappen, the blame is entirely on the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari for simply not keeping up in car development.
2020 Merc won 19 out of 21 races. How many HAM-BOT-VER podiums have we had? LH 103 wins…. And you say THIS SEASON IS THE WORST? 😂😂😂 Clearly a LH fan aka RBR/Max hater talking…..
@@Redlingstein2020 didn’t even have 21 races tf are you saying
Aside from Verstappen I think this season has actually been pretty good. The early surge of Aston, Mercedes and Ferrari going back and forth with each other, the McLarens having a massive jump after a terrible start, the random Alpine podiums, Albon performing out of his mind (or it just seems that way because Sargent's lack of performance). So aside from first place, this season has been pretty fun I think
@@Redlingsteinleast delusional merc hater
50% of new audience could leave the sport if someone dominates the sport. Let's see... there was Lewis for 7 years, Vettel for 3-4 years, Schumacher for 2 centuries...
It's not that it's sudden tho, it's been ongoing since 2010, maybe could even say 2001 with an occasional anomaly like tuned mass dampers and double diffusers or a Nico sympathy title, I've been a fan since the 80s(Williams every day for me) and in recent years I've been watching more Indy for the actual racing.
Cutting the floor thing at the end of 2020 was the greatest reg change in history lmao, gave us as you said the best season of all time
It seems like F1 fans have the memory span and attention span of a goldfish. It has been one year of domination, people are getting so mad it really seems they don't actually like the sport.
To be fair to FOM, half of the interactions last year were down to Lewis & Max fans being at war 😂
Will probably be a fair few whove stopped watching due to Max's dominance, but do think there's also a lot to unpack from 2020, '21 & '22 seasons that go a ways to explaining a lot of this drop off.
I think F1's audience is stabilizing more than dropping. The fans who thought of F1 as trendy, who boosted the figures have now moved onto the next thing. This has now left F1 in a better place than it was before with less of the bandwagon fans.
This is absurd. The shake up is Red Bull being fast for a change (after 8 long years), so so biased. I have a feeling this AI was created by Toto Wolff
I’m an F1 noob so my opinion maybe trivial but I’ll try. But first: what prompted this report or did a big wig from that company got out of bed some morning and thought: “let’s do an F1 social media probe”? And I would like to see subscription numbers, in my country F1 is a behind a paywall. 1. Introduce a sporting rules handicap system. 2. Introduce regulations to hold back a team. 3. Introduce a gliding cost cap system (the more a team wins, the less they are allowed to spend the following season, a financial handicap system). Or a reverse one: the worst performing team is allowed to spend more money. But one cannot ask a driver who’s dominating to deliberately ‘take a fall’ just to spice things up. That would be preposterous. This wasn't mentioned of course.
Before the video, I think the reason no one really likes domination is because it’s for so long and it’s always there, no other team but Redbull and Merc has won since 2009
2020 was exciting because of the Gasly win, sure. But it was pretty much a foregone conclusion back then that Hamilton and Mercedes were going to dominate the rest of the season. Hell, even Verstappen's Abu Dhabi win that year felt empty because Lewis was just coasting.
Well if you’re looking forward to a race for first then you’re potentially going to be disappointed yet again, I have personally struggled to maintain interest over recent seasons, and although there are brilliant mini battles throughout the field, the main battle for first seems to be yet another forgone conclusion. The issue is that the best car will be driven by “one of” the best drivers and whilst that is the case you are never going to get competitive integrity, yes the first race has yet to be run, but 1/4th of a second on the first qualifying is worrying given that RB will be improving alongside the chasing pack!.
I have actually completely given up on F1. I find so boring and tedious. Quite Frankly, I don't miss it. it's the same thing, over and over again expecting different results, thats insanity.
find it so funny how no one said anything when Mercedes won 7 times in a row
Your videos have undoubtedly improved despite the views
To answer the biggest question here: the Wildcats should be your basketball team. Look out for Bolton!
It not like it’s not a problem, look at nascar in the mid to late 2000s at the peak of its popularity, Jimmie Johnson won literally every year, which definitely turned some people off.
F1 is actually so boring they don’t have any famous and recognizable tracks like Daytona and Indianapolis. In those races they pass and it is actually entertaining to watch the cars. Maybe the closest thing they got is Monaco but Monaco is so boring and has no passing and is set up for Max Verstappen to win. Maybe if they added LeManns, Nurburgring, Indy
It’s the same thing in NASCAR too. When Jimmie Johnson went on his streak of dominance from 2006 - 2010, ratings went down.
As someone who mainly watches other series such as Indycar and NASCAR and very casually watches F1, there are a few reasons why it's more boring when it happens in F1.
1. In other sports like Football, Soccer and Basketball, there are dozens of events a week that won't involve that dominant team. In racing, that dominant team will be at every single race, so you can't just turn to another race if it gets boring.
2. Dominance is a lot more interesting when it doesn't happen all the time. For over the past decade, F1 has simply been going from one dominant team to another. In the past decade, they've only had 4 champions, from 2 teams. For example, Alex Palou's dominance in Indycar this year was interesting because it's so rarely seen in the sport. Ans even when it happened, he was still being chased down by 2 other drivers until the last 2 races.
3. Dominance in racing is a lot less interesting when cost is involved. Like it or not, winning in F1 is way easier when you have an enormous budget to outspend other teams on the grid. Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are great drivers, but they also have millions of dollars going into the development of their cars and teams that help tailor the car to their driving style.
11:43 there is my father that always say to me that they should implement weights to add to the car that win the previous GP
The following must be done to answer Tommo's question at the end:
Top 8 one shot qualifying.
Reverse grid Sprint Races that are slightly longer.
Making the teams do more pit stops. (tyre changes, changes to pit speed and entries/exits)
Build cars that match the tracks or vice versa.
Stable set of rules.
Banning Newey.
None of this will happen though.
We've had more complaining in one year of red bull than in the entire 8 years of merc lol
Red bull does more promotional events than other teams. WAY too much complaining from big manufacturer teams and their drivers and not enough responsibility assumed and owned by those underperforming teams.
F1 has commercialised their competition to a different crowd of people now, and the dominance is frowned upon due to lack of understanding of new fans and the F1 media isn’t helping.
Cultural intolerance towards drivers like Max, who are Dutch etc is rampant. Hamilton is an influential character and he is loudly screaming “it’s not fair” when it’s perfectly fair. They just need wait till next season, teams will catch up
Love the Gran Turismo music, Tommo
One thing I feel is that there is so much toxicity that I'm put off from commenting. Last year I quoted Damon Hill in a comment comparing Schumacher and Hamilton and I started getting attacked personally in some responses.
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The funniest thing about this domination is how close the whole field is. I dare to say the field is the closest ever
sure, but people don't really wanna see a close fight for 7th or 5th. They want to see a fight for the win or at the very least go into the race knowing that more than 1 driver could end up winning the race. No one goes into the race thinking anyone other than max is winning. unless he somehow explodes or something. It's good that the field is close but it's not close in the part of the field that matters for the sake of all fans.
I don't think formula 1 can be boring .. predictable , yes , maybe , but that doesn't make it boring. I also personally think that tv pundits can and should be allowed to be biased if they want. What we really need in formula 1 is smaller and lighter cars , endurance events (like le mans) , proper rain tyres that can actually be used , and 2 more teams.
I'd love to see reverse grids. I know there may be safety concerns about having everyone overtaking but from an action point of view it would be amazing to see as well as if you imagine it this year seeing verstappen have to overtake 19 cars in almost every race while they have to overtake at the same time would have made a ton more interesting. Maybe just making the sprint races reversed grids and having no confusing sprint shootout and regular races as at the moment they are just mini versions or verstappen domination races.
I think reversere grids are the most pontless thing ever, it is just fluff you and i know both that the top teams will get past the back teams everytome there is no fun in watching that at all
I for one have LOVED this season, because the midfield is so condensed and the podiums are seemingly random sometimes with mclaren, ferrarri, aston, mercades, and alpine all taking multiple stabs, as well as (obviously) red bull. Like the actual racing has been peak, the front front front just is gone.
I'd take a season like this 3/5 times over a season where it's just two teams doing a halfhearted dance at the front and one prevailing half way through the season, like 2022 and 2018.
At least when the rest of the racing is good, there's a reason to care about the races once it's clear the championship is locked up. Races this year have been at least 50% of the time filled with midfield/podium scrambling action.
Simple: it’s because of the lack of equal machinery. That’s why 2021 was completely rivetting. There were two generational talents in more or less equal cars. Shame that the end was manipulated by ‘human error’/Massi. In other sports domination means unequivocally - that’s the best sportsman so everyone is in awe, but if the machinery is not equal we have someone a little less than that - which is: wow what a talented person is being allowed to show their talent. But we will never know what any other driver would be capable of in Verstappen’s car… Said that it *is* Verstappen’s car he’s been contributing to developing it for years. Just like Hamilton contributed to developing (and now rebuilding) Mercedes.
Counterpoint, domination isn’t exciting in any sport
Surprised Tommo and the comments haven't mentioned it, but a HUGE reason social media engagement is way down is because of how toxic the discourse is.
Look under any F1 related post and you'll see someone with a LH44 name and pfp talking shit about Verstappen or see some F1 meme account posting slander about some other driver. It's a shame
A couple of things. Firstly who do I trust an independant company who nobody had heard of before and uses AI or Formula 1 themselves. Answer, neither of them.
And as for the social media factor, yes social media is big but does that mean the sport is suffering? Of course not. Bums on seats at races and viewing figures are what matter most, not social media interaction.
This is all blown up out of proportion and a big nothing of a problem.
I remember working for an F1 merch retailer back in the days of Schumacher/Ferrari dominance. Even Ferrari fans were getting bored, but that did not stop people buying merch.
I am actually back working with that same retailer and I can tell you that despite Red Bull dominance F1 merch is still highly popular and McLaren, Williams and Aston for instance sell just as much merch as Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes.
Id say in terms of the individual brilliance, qualifying is where that shows up. Max's Monaco pole for instance was insanity and incredibly entertaining.
Most other sports outside of motorsport have a tournament structure, so...the dominant player or team isnt at every game.
Compared to F1 and motorsport in general, they are.
Now on the flip side, when you have a close championship F1 is more exciting than other sports bc of this same phenomena.
When its close, every race, all season is like the finals or semifinals. Lewis Vs Max was basically 5 months of a superbowl bc the story continues week in and week out.