HOW GOOD IS MAX? by Peter Windsor

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @hanstubben
    @hanstubben 2 дня назад +376

    There is a very important factor that´s missing! The relative speed differences between cars, the last years we had most of the qualifying sessions with the firs ten in one second. This used to be two to three seconds in the Mercedes dominant era, In the McLaren Senna era there was about a second between pole and third on the grid. In the Ascari era there was about 6 seconds between the first ten on the grid. And when the weather "equalizes" the car performance, Max pulls out a from 17th to first in the rain and finished 16 seconds ahead of anyone.
    If you factor this in then Max´s statistics are even more impressive, in my opinion he´s on top of all. I´m following F1 for about 50 years now.

    • @elecovanrenss1352
      @elecovanrenss1352 2 дня назад +78

      most impressive stat to me is that he beats ascari race win % record in a season, while driving almost 3 times as many races, completely unreal stat.

    • @kj48tiger
      @kj48tiger 2 дня назад +2

      quali pace is close but race pace isnt... RedBull is still seconds faster than a Williams on race day. Plus there is no dirty air these days…

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад +8

      @@hanstubben no... You just proved how dominant the car is .. or was.

    • @Switll71
      @Switll71 2 дня назад +7

      Very good point and I bet that stat will easy to calculate since all data is available.

    • @paskowitz
      @paskowitz 2 дня назад

      Quality pace is far less relevant now though. Not sure this is a great metric.

  • @Voldnarok
    @Voldnarok День назад +243

    My grandfather is 84 years old he watches F1 since young age and he works in motorsports for long time in Portugal.
    He always said to me "the best F1 drivers ever are Jim Clark, Senna and Verstappen" and he was talking about Max since 2014, Max was not even in F1 and he was telling me this boy is going to be one of the best ever in F1!

    • @TotalBuffoon
      @TotalBuffoon День назад +8

      Made up story 😂

    • @richy69ify
      @richy69ify День назад +39

      Niki Lauda called Max "best talent this century" . Coming from Niki who had that rare killer instinct, that's a great endorsement.

    • @Stantube1000
      @Stantube1000 День назад +8

      Well, your grandfather knew his stuff.

    • @bartbarelds8454
      @bartbarelds8454 День назад +12

      Lauda and Marko also acknowledged Max very soon

    • @carobahena6134
      @carobahena6134 День назад +4

      Your father is a connosieur

  • @RobinBooze468
    @RobinBooze468 День назад +150

    After watching Brazil 2016 I spent two whole weeks telling my friends that dutch 18 year old was going to be one of the best in history. We will miss drivers like him when he retires

    • @southerncomfort1339
      @southerncomfort1339 День назад +1

      Apparently you didn't see SLH FUJI 2007!

    • @bassax7045
      @bassax7045 День назад +11

      @@southerncomfort1339 they both can be one of the best , its not either or

    • @quigglyz
      @quigglyz День назад +10

      @@southerncomfort1339 cringe

    • @Cloxxki
      @Cloxxki День назад

      I told my friends when I heard that Jos had become father to a son Max. It was in the stars, and it wasn't even a wild guess or anything.
      Which person IN THE WORLD had a naturally faster mom who proved it on track in FIA sanctioned high level racing? Oh and his dad raced F1 and wins Rally 2 events at 50+.

    • @Lanse1984
      @Lanse1984 День назад +7

      ​@southerncomfort1339 the fact that you call him sir removes your opinion from the discussion

  • @PeterPost-w8m
    @PeterPost-w8m День назад +99

    I’m watching F1 since the early eighties. As a race fan, not as a fanboy. For me Verstappen is the best pure racer I have ever seen.

    • @endthisnonsense7202
      @endthisnonsense7202 День назад +3

      Same here, following since 1984.

    • @corystansbury
      @corystansbury День назад +4

      I don't go back quite that far, but probably mid 90s (I was 10), I was recording races on VHS and watching them after church. Max is extremely special and it was obvious very early on (even when I didn't like him as a young, fairly reckless guy).

    • @xtrax38
      @xtrax38 День назад

      @@PeterPost-w8m 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @evonne_o
      @evonne_o День назад

      I do agree. You could see this from the very 1st FP he did.

    • @xtrax38
      @xtrax38 День назад +3

      @evonne_o hold your horses here, can max drive wheel to wheel fairly?

  • @whitecobranldaniel958
    @whitecobranldaniel958 2 дня назад +102

    Before Max step in the formula 1, wolff and horner want him because they saw his talent.
    Max is the only driver on the grid that stop the lewis / Mercedes dominance. Without a Mercedes.
    Max is faster then lewis.

    • @bobkeul7682
      @bobkeul7682 День назад +14

      Max is faster by far.. and Lewis knows that as well, so does the bias British Sky...

    • @Milkywayboy
      @Milkywayboy День назад +3

      I 100% agree max is faster
      But it’s also not fair
      Because max hasn’t raced Lewis in the era of cars that suited Lewis!
      This era suits max’s driving style
      Lewis seems to really struggle with this era as well!
      Anywho I agree max is faster by far

    • @virgilma6153
      @virgilma6153 День назад +11

      @@Milkywayboynot really, Max did pretty well in the merc era, his engine wasnt just as powerful and reliable as the mercedes engine. He fought everyone during that era, fought with Nico/Seb/Kimi multiple time where he didnt belong. He was just a lil handicapped because the other had a slightly better car

    • @Stantube1000
      @Stantube1000 День назад +12

      @@MilkywayboyMax doesnt have a driving style, he adapts. He would be successful in any era. There cannot be any doubts about that.

    • @POVRR3
      @POVRR3 День назад +6

      ​@@Milkywayboy2021 is still Lewis's era, 2021 is not a ground effect car.

  • @Lanse1984
    @Lanse1984 2 дня назад +248

    Eddie Jordan had both Senna and Michael and says Max is better than both of them. I trust Eddie's opinion

    • @FEARYOYOYO
      @FEARYOYOYO 2 дня назад +12

      I would believe him if he had had those two while being someone else than Eddie Jordan. Haha

    • @B-kl8vj
      @B-kl8vj 2 дня назад +7

      Eddie is a clown.

    • @MisFakapek
      @MisFakapek 2 дня назад

      @@B-kl8vj but a competent clown

    • @paskowitz
      @paskowitz 2 дня назад +3

      Lol. That is something Eddie would say. Max is not as good Senna. Senna could make almost any car fast. Max has had a top tier car almost his entire career (same as many 'top" drivers). Then there is Senna's grit. Could max do what Senna did in Brazil, driving an F1 car with 1.5 arms practically willed on by God? No.

    • @964cuplove
      @964cuplove День назад +13

      @@paskowitz though Brazil this year was a bit like Donington with Senna in the rain…

  • @shaunonig1979
    @shaunonig1979 2 дня назад +227

    When you watch Brazil 2024, when power is not an advantage and you see all the other great drivers from young talents to Alonso not be able to keep in on the track and Max is hitting fastest lap after fastest lap, it's clear he is operating a step above in terms of talent, journalist are scared to offend, they don't give their opinions on who is the best anymore, they always accept excuses blah blah.
    Reality is that Max is the best driver of this generation by a long shot

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад +4

      Tell us you're a biased crashstappen clanboy without telling us you're a crashstappen clanboy.

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад

      Full of shit... Compare his first 3 years in F1... Total disaster and a cluster fuck. Without help from masi and the fia and a car that was illegal he's nothing but backfield material...

    • @lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl
      @lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl 2 дня назад +90

      @@trance9158 tell me you‘re a biased brit without telling me you‘re a biased brit 😁
      Watching Max win is even better, when you remind yourself of how many british people are losing their love for the sport for this exact reason lmfao

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад +1

      Speaking of excuses.... Sounds like you're self projecting there Bubba J. Maybe you should stick to DTS.

    • @Games_and_Music
      @Games_and_Music 2 дня назад +45

      @@trance9158 What about Brazil 2024 (or even Brazil 2016) was not great?
      The RB20 was no longer the fastest car, rain has been Max's strong point as well, on top of his recovery, also set a record of most amount of fastest laps in a row, while others had trouble keeping it on track. (EDIT: actually, i couldn't verify that specific record claim, but there's a lot of other interesting records to his name though, you might want to check them out.)
      I mean, where's the faults?
      Sure, i'm a Dutch Max "fanboy", but this is like trying to mock Michael Jordan for having a flawless match, the guy is just at the top of his game and of the sport.
      Why not engage with the argument, instead of resorting to ad nauseam.

  • @diederikjournee5580
    @diederikjournee5580 2 дня назад +107

    Dear Peter, it is quite brave that you dare to post this as a Brittish F1-expert in these divisive times. That makes you stand out for a lot of F1-loving people that watch the sport for over 40 years (like me). Keep up the good work!

    • @StormcastMarine
      @StormcastMarine День назад +6

      Maybe try to get out of your bubble of hate and just enjoy the sport.
      Nobody cares about how the bad men at Sky hurt your feefies.

    • @idasteigenga-pq8uj
      @idasteigenga-pq8uj День назад +6

      What a nice thing to say 🙄​@@StormcastMarine

    • @canismajoris6733
      @canismajoris6733 День назад

      youre living with your head in the clouds

    • @mjw28gaming
      @mjw28gaming 22 часа назад

      most British F1 journalists give Max fair credit for his achievements. Of course they will also criticise bad driving standards on the occasions we see it. They prob more effusive praising Max than they were with Lewis who has never really had the credit he deserved from the British press

    • @JonathanNichollsjono
      @JonathanNichollsjono Час назад

      Peter is Australian

  • @timocoh020
    @timocoh020 2 дня назад +51

    Data does not lie... But the biased fans will always find excuses. For me Max is the greatest and his prime still has to begin... In time he will be the undisputed goat. The numbers will tell...

    • @Lanse1984
      @Lanse1984 День назад +1

      If he races long enough and Redbull gives him a competetive car then yes it'll be a wash I think. Hes only 27

    • @D-Marie0970
      @D-Marie0970 День назад

      I wonder what a dedicated AI stat model could come up with? ...given all available data. I dont think the list would change in order. Max is a proven all time great, one of the best of the very best

    • @Adam_B
      @Adam_B 19 часов назад

      Agreed, Max is the GOAT at sim racing

    • @joelenzi6985
      @joelenzi6985 7 часов назад

      The car has to be near enough to compete. Lewis had a great car in 10 seasons.

  • @floodo1
    @floodo1 День назад +38

    Max will drive other categories (prototypes) later in his career and then the real comparisons can begin. Anyone that watches the man drive in iRacing will see the level of his skill is beyond belief. He is a true racer through and through and is only gaining experience as time goes by

    • @AceOfH34rtz
      @AceOfH34rtz День назад +2

      He's said to be top 3 in iRacing if he manages to put the hours in. I have no doubt Max is the fastest driver that ever lived

  • @wplegend
    @wplegend 2 дня назад +78

    It's very interesting to look at it more neutrally through statistics. However I still think looking at the great equaliser eg rain shows who the best drivers are and in my mind Senna and Verstappen are absolutely a cut above everyone else... Imagine both of them on the same track in the wet...

    • @deerfootnz
      @deerfootnz День назад +1

      Clarke was just as dominant in the wet. Schumacher also

    • @Stantube1000
      @Stantube1000 День назад +8

      @@deerfootnz Schumacher wasn't looking nearly as good let alone dominant duing his first years, when Senna was still there.
      He only looked dominant next to such ""champions" as Hill, Villeneuve and Hakkinnen, of which even such poor driver as Hill was arguably the best in wet.
      Not saying Michael wasn;t great in wet, but I personally think Senna and Max were better.

    • @deerfootnz
      @deerfootnz День назад

      @Stantube1000 not sure I agree with that. I watched Senna race against Brundle in F3 when I was at uni. I watched Schumi in the Benneton and later on. Both were dominant. Both had an unfortunate tendency to invite collisions when competing for corners which I am sure Schumacher got from Senna. Verstappen possibly does this due to his father's influence. The rules are not clear enough, not enforced in any consistent manner and in the end I have just given up watching. It's clear Verstappen is extremely talented. I will never bother watching him because he bahaves so appallingly badly, and now the FIA is returning to the ethos of Jean Marie Balestre. They can all go and f*** themselves, I am going sailing.

  • @nicolalosa7580
    @nicolalosa7580 2 дня назад +24

    What a quality video, the host, the guest, the content, the music...everything is lit

  • @foshizzlemb
    @foshizzlemb 2 дня назад +78

    There you have it, what I thought all along. Lewis is very good but not outstanding. You never got this wowing feeling like with max in Brazil '24 for instance. I mean, Rosberg has beaten him and this year Russel. Lewis is a great driver for sure, but never mention him as probably the goat again. Stats only don't count, the fans have to be unanimous and they're just not, maybe only in Britain ....

    • @tarikviaer-mcclymont5762
      @tarikviaer-mcclymont5762 2 дня назад +2

      Max has driven againt anyone good since Ricciardo

    • @niklasschneider4022
      @niklasschneider4022 2 дня назад +9

      It’s good to see there are also other people who see that

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад

      @@foshizzlemb you're ignorant.

    • @kj48tiger
      @kj48tiger 2 дня назад +5

      Bro talk about yourself. Hamilton has more wowing moments than Verstappen has races. Max lost to ricciardo twice btw since we are gonna talk about teammates. (the only decent teammate he ever had)

    • @TGfoever
      @TGfoever 2 дня назад +7

      @@kj48tiger😂😂

  • @ctopczewski
    @ctopczewski 2 дня назад +106

    So true regarding 2021. All the British DTS watchers love crying about 2021 but the stats don’t lie. Max dominated Lewis

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад +7

      @@ctopczewski but would have lost if it wasn't for masi cheating

    • @NoxioLukas
      @NoxioLukas 2 дня назад +20

      @@trance9158 So I assume you are also complaining constantly about the illegal tire testing Merc did before they went on their dominant streak, no even talking about them starting engine development earlier and strongarming the FIA into hybrids (thank them for no V10s). Am I right? You complain about that too, right? Or do you just act like an 8 year old whose favourite driver lost because he wasnt good enough?

    • @MrZewustyle
      @MrZewustyle 2 дня назад

      ​​@@trance9158 You'r level of Verstappen hate is seriously toxic, why don't you accept reality, may be a shrink could help ?

    • @cruxio02
      @cruxio02 2 дня назад +10

      @@trance9158 Human error was the ruling; spouting unfounded nonsense won't change things. You will never convince yourself of this.

    • @kj48tiger
      @kj48tiger 2 дня назад +3

      He dominated so much that he needed to drive like a kamikazi and benefit from the greatest robbery in history to win it. lol

  • @bigbaderek1978
    @bigbaderek1978 2 дня назад +47

    and max is only 27...........hopefully much more to come

    • @johnhill7058
      @johnhill7058 День назад

      Fangio never started a grand prix until he was almost 37 years old.

    • @kristoffer3000
      @kristoffer3000 День назад +6

      @@johnhill7058 In a completely different era.

    • @eduardhenny1
      @eduardhenny1 День назад

      Early retirement

    • @bigbaderek1978
      @bigbaderek1978 День назад +1

      @ yea the baby thing worries me a bit but I did get to see him race every race of his career. He is the goat in my eyes

    • @Adam_B
      @Adam_B 19 часов назад

      Don't hold your breath

  • @mikeewhite
    @mikeewhite 2 дня назад +89

    🤧 Here's a tissue for the Max haters. Merry Xmas everyone 🎄 Let 25 be as good as 24.

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад

      @@mikeewhite you're going to be crying next season and trying to make excuses for your reckless petulant child.

    • @Taylor___
      @Taylor___ 2 дня назад

      @@mikeewhite Ha. I started out disliking Max like many did with Seb but I love him now. But I think he may won his last championship now.

    • @arjenkersing
      @arjenkersing День назад

      @@Taylor___ oh ye of little faith...

    • @Taylor___
      @Taylor___ День назад

      @@arjenkersing Yeahhh, well, Ferrari, McLaren up there now, Lawson as a team mate which won’t help and then the regs change and RB haven’t got the power unit

    • @TheKievKen
      @TheKievKen 23 часа назад

      How sad. Hope your life become fuller and less empty in 2025.

  • @redporschekilla
    @redporschekilla День назад +13

    Peter, I’m first and foremost a F1 fan, since May 1979… I’m a LH44, stood in front of Michael, you name it. You know when I knew Max is the next Senna? 21 in Barcelona, turn 2 in the opening lap, and he passes LH on the outside, a move which is almost impossible…. Max is a true champion, because he’s a fighter. LH is and always will be my champion, because he’s shown it time and again, much like Prost did, win, when everybody had counted him out? Keep rocking

    • @Daris_13
      @Daris_13 День назад

      It was turn 1 that max dived into Lewis. It was his classic yield or we crash type move. Lewis stop letting that fly. Senna is still way above max atm.

    • @W0o0dy
      @W0o0dy День назад +8

      ​@@Daris_13lol even after the statistics you keep it up? Man your stubbornness deserves a statue of its own!

    • @Passione2507
      @Passione2507 День назад

      ​@@Daris_13 You'll probably yap the same even after 10 years when Max has like 3 more championships

    • @AlertConsument-py6te
      @AlertConsument-py6te 22 часа назад

      ​@@Daris_13delusional british DTS-FANGIRL SPOTTED

  • @odieostrich7718
    @odieostrich7718 День назад +25

    Max vs Senna for finesse. Max vs Schumacher for mental toughness. Max vs Prost for turn-in take-outs and he still beats them all.

    • @Dante-w8f
      @Dante-w8f День назад +3

      We don't know how good Max is because he never has to worry about internal competition. The whole team is built around him and the 2nd RB driver is there merely to support him. Liam Lawson has been told to not challenge Max. Why can't Max test himself against a top tier teammate? All his teammates since Ricciardo have been rookies or mid-tier

    • @johnhill7058
      @johnhill7058 День назад

      Max is exceptional, Schumacher and Prost are very good, and excel at the politics of the sport, but the very best pure driver will always be the Gentleman from Balcarce, Juan Manuel Fangio.

    • @Wuppie62
      @Wuppie62 День назад +2

      ​​@@Dante-w8f
      Max beat the 'internal competition' in the eyes of the RB management a long time before he became the #1 driver. They - Horner and Marko - knew what they got under contract: a future race- and championship-winner. And so did Toto, but RB got him first.
      Then came Barcelona 2016, where youngest F1 driver - Max - won his debut race in the RedBull; even Niki Lauda told the world Max was the talent of the century.
      Naturally the team try to give their future champion a fast as possible car, to maximize his chances...
      It's clever to have a #2 driver in the team, who actually is and behaves like a #2. Two equal rivaling drivers in one team is asking for internal problems: i.e. Senna/Prost, Rosberg/Hamilton, Leclerc/Sainz, Norris/Piastri..

    • @1997maup
      @1997maup День назад +3

      @@Dante-w8f ”why can’t max test himself against a top tier teammate” Well because that’s not up to him is it? He’s always said that he doesn’t care who his teammate is, and at the end of the day it’s the Red Bull management that makes that call. Ive never understood why people take issue with drivers over factors they have little to no control over, like driver pairings.
      That being said, I hope to see the day where we do see a proper contender to max in the red bull. Should make for a good show, and hopefully it will finally put all criticism to rest if/when max beats them

    • @W0o0dy
      @W0o0dy День назад +1

      ​@@Dante-w8fMax has been pushing for RedBull to sign Norris. Why? Because he thinks highly of Norris as a person and racer. He is not scared of anyone but with some the chemistry would be much too volatile to win, it would only be mutual destruction. And he doesn't want that, rightly so tbf

  • @atanasio13ltv
    @atanasio13ltv 2 дня назад +76

    The numbers from the 2021 champions shows the truth: Max was the Champion by distance

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад +5

      @@atanasio13ltv no he was handed the WDC by masi.. a fact you'll never change and there will be an asterisk by that as well

    • @nodekapunk
      @nodekapunk День назад +32

      @@trance9158buddy, you’re commenting on every pro max comment. Get a life.

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 День назад

      @nodekapunk go play in the road if it hurts your delicate feelings there precious.

    • @johnnyreid1518
      @johnnyreid1518 День назад

      He was the driver of the season ​@trance9158 in an inferior car riddled with bad luck and poor reliability while lewis got the opposite and still held on. The baby jesus made sure he got that title and the next 9. Now try different glu mate she's not working for ye. Buhhhhhhhhhh

    • @user-yt7jb7kk1i
      @user-yt7jb7kk1i День назад +20

      In a slower car and those of us who watched the season saw Lewis gain advantage without giving position back 3 races, pit maneuver Max at Silverstone for a 10 second penalty, rear end Max because he didn't want to cross the drs line with Max being penalized (for Lewis running into him), Bottas taking out the field behind Lewis. The season should have been decided in Max's favour prior to Abudabi.

  • @ftc-nl1041
    @ftc-nl1041 День назад +32

    These statistics are Simply Lovely!!!

  • @JM_daDoc
    @JM_daDoc День назад +9

    Clark was for me the best, being a 50 year old F1 fan, having watched all the races where there is some images available. You can't compare generations but in these times consistency is king and Max is the most consistent one ever, being able to eek out a lead being 0,2 secs faster every lap...

  • @russwright
    @russwright 2 дня назад +12

    I'd love to see stats for races under heavy rain where the car doesn't matter much, it's the driver's ability that shines.

    • @MM-qm9ld
      @MM-qm9ld День назад

      True but it's a very specific kind of driving ability. Fans tend to rate ace wet drivers really highly but driving tops in the wet doesnt necessarily mean you're tops overall. Most races are dry races, so you probably need to consider that first, though your point is well taken.
      Id say that it does tend to be the case that the best drivers drive wrll in the wet bc they drive well in ALL conditions. Its not this causal relationship where driving well in the wet makes you good. Youre good, ergo you drive well in all conditions.
      But I agree that isolating wet races is a solid metric for sure. Definitely a fun latitude to place drivers on.

    • @Stantube1000
      @Stantube1000 День назад +2

      @@MM-qm9ld all the very best were simultaneously the very best in the rain.
      fangio, clark, senna, schumacher....wet weather driver takes the most out of every driver and show deficit in technique, confidence and ultimately skill. so, imaginary drivers that would be the very best at their timing driving in wet but would be nothing special in dry never existed. the overall best were always simultaneously the best in wet.
      no driver that wasn't capable to outshine the rest at his time in the wet could be considered amongst the best of all times.

  • @Gmima01
    @Gmima01 День назад +7

    Real comparisons remain impossible. Not even putting them all in the same car on the same track at the same time and in their prime would give a totally correct outcome. But it still is an interresting discussion. Thanks!

  • @LeoWuerde
    @LeoWuerde 4 часа назад +3

    Racing God JIM CLARK - Unmatched Maestro. By far the Greatest Driver Ever - No doubt. He is and was "The Best of the Best" (Fangio, Senna, Prost, Stewart and countless others about Clark). No other driver in history until today was so superior as Clark - No other driver as so much "Grand Slam" - Pole/Win/Fastest Lap/Leading every lap of the race - like him. And all that from just 72 starts... !
    This man is the Olymp of driving - the Michelangelo of racing - a dynamic art at the highest level. So smooth, so precise, so fast....simply out of this world. One, who won in Spa by 5 minutes (!) in monsoon rain with only one hand at the wheel (!) because of gearbox trouble...One, who takes back a complete lap (!) in Monza and back into the lead... One, who took pole on the original 22,8 km Nürburgring track by 9 (!) seconds and more....One who won Indy by 2 whole (!) laps...
    In 1965 he had the most succesful year of any driver in the history of the sport: He won the F1 World Championship, the Tasman Series with F1 cars, the Indy 500, the British and French F2 Championship, the British Touring car Championship, totally over 50 (!) victories in one season !!!! For eternity and by lightyears unmatched in the sport. That`s just some examples of his mesmeric unique genius...

  • @SOrme_C135
    @SOrme_C135 День назад +8

    Defining actual GOAT settings based on "facts". Love it Peter! There is always the nuance and decisions/opportunities with an "on any given Sunday" situation. However, comparing Max and his fellow world champs (notably Lewis) through the data illustrates the importance of reality checks. Cheers!

  • @spilot1016
    @spilot1016 День назад +17

    Hamilton vs Max is not even a debate anymore... it's Max. Max vs Senna and Schumi...still Max.

    • @frankellis9627
      @frankellis9627 9 часов назад

      I would like to see them in the same car 🤨

  • @silversub
    @silversub День назад +6

    Finally! Thank you so much for this video. I hope this will finally help put an end to the discussion about Max's abilities. Instead of criticizing, let's enjoy his talent. What we're witnessing right now is truly unique. The data speaks for itself. Once again, let's enjoy it!

    • @Dante-w8f
      @Dante-w8f День назад

      How do we know how good Max is when his teammates are so subpar/inexperienced & hired to support rather than challenge him?

    • @silversub
      @silversub День назад +1

      @@Dante-w8f Well, if you want to call Perez, Sainz, Ricciardo, and Albon bad drivers, you have a point. I don''t think they are. But he outperformed them all. And then again,
      look at the data

    • @lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl
      @lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl День назад +3

      @@Dante-w8fyou can‘t see Max‘ greatness, because you‘re looking for arguments against it brother. If Max had driven against a Sainz and beaten him in comparable fashion to how he outperformed every other teammate, you‘d probably be in denial and claim that RB is simply a one man team, sabotaging Sainz.
      Just enjoy witnessing greatness live, I am literally thankful for getting to watch this dude drive live, and not having to just hear about it like with Clark or Senna, because I wasn‘t even born back then.

    • @Dante-w8f
      @Dante-w8f День назад

      @@silversub - Sainz & Ricciardo outqualified and beat Max. While Albon was a rookie when he was partnered with Max.

    • @silversub
      @silversub День назад

      But this video isn’t about that time. Pay attention to the years as well @Dante-w8f

  • @jgonzalesm6
    @jgonzalesm6 2 дня назад +42

    Interlagos 2016 and Interlagos 2024 in the wet. No one comes close to Max in an inferior car in the wet. He is a rain God.

    • @deanlawrence871
      @deanlawrence871 День назад

      Agree 2024 class of his own. But in 2016 he was quicker than everyone except Lewis. (From memory)

    • @jgonzalesm6
      @jgonzalesm6 День назад

      @deanlawrence871 - 2016 was the 3rd year of the turbo-hybrid formula and Mercedes dominance. Rosberg won the WDC title in 2016 by 5pts over Hamilton whom had the only DNF from Mercedes in Malaysia. Ricciardo came in 3rd...then Vettel in 4th. Max came in 5th place in seasonal points for 2016.

    • @Stantube1000
      @Stantube1000 День назад +2

      Tough to compare him with Senna, because Senna was head and shoulders above the rest in the wet as well, arguably by even bigger extent, but average level of drivers was far lower at Sennas time than it is now on the modern F1 grid. the most talented and best prepared ever.

    • @Stantube1000
      @Stantube1000 День назад +1

      @@deanlawrence871 he was potentially quicker than Lewis but not quick enough to overtake on track, or at least he was matching his pace.

    • @deanlawrence871
      @deanlawrence871 День назад

      @ yeah I think he was matching him. Who knows if both were 100% pushing all these years later. I feel like maybe Lewis did start to pull away at one stage

  • @bigbaderek1978
    @bigbaderek1978 2 дня назад +6

    I love these kind of stats...the raw number just leave so much unsaid

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +1

      Exactly. That’s what motivates me to do these. Thanks!

  • @rick1901
    @rick1901 День назад +12

    08:55 small correction needed, if Max's tyre doesn't blow, Lewis finishes 3rd behind Perez who had better pace and had the on track position

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +1

      Wrong. As Much as I am Not a Hamilton fan, he was Surely going to finish ahead of Perez. Easily.

    • @Stantube1000
      @Stantube1000 День назад +1

      @@CPezno, he already killed his tires before that following closely and trying to overtake. Perez just started to drive away from Ham as well as Max, the gap was opening up. 3rd was Ham maximum.

    • @rick1901
      @rick1901 День назад +1

      @@CPez I'm not a perez fan but he definitely had the pace and was maintaning the gap at the moment when there were 5 laps left (yes im literally watching the replay on F1TV right now)

  • @PMMeiners
    @PMMeiners 2 дня назад +14

    Wow 🤩 I love this. What a great inside into F1. Data doesn’t lie, Max is so far ahead of everyone nowadays. Let’s hope he will have a competitive car next season than it’s going to be fun.

    • @johnhill7058
      @johnhill7058 День назад

      There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Competent analysts can make any stats sing whatever tune they conduct.

    • @AlertConsument-py6te
      @AlertConsument-py6te 22 часа назад

      ​@@johnhill7058then, what is your tune?

  • @thesecretcouncil
    @thesecretcouncil День назад +6

    Lewis only has a 5 winstreak, never won a championship after the introduction of the cost cap and got blasted away this year by Russell whos concidered noob. Are we connecting the dots here? Lewis is overrated

  • @Toro_Da_Corsa
    @Toro_Da_Corsa День назад +4

    Speaking of Hamilton, nobody has had less mechanical DNF's as a % ever. Its not even close. And when he had an average DNF rate, he lost to Rosberg

  • @realitycheck908
    @realitycheck908 2 дня назад +11

    Max is the goat 2 wdc without the fastest car

    • @Dante-w8f
      @Dante-w8f День назад +2

      You could argue 2008 & 2018 for Lewi....Ferrari arguably had the quickest car in both those years

    • @bobkeul7682
      @bobkeul7682 День назад +1

      @@Dante-w8f 2008 was a good / nice year but the advantage differences of Ferrari vs McLaren wasn't overwhelming at ALL.
      Massa suffered an engine failure in Hungary while leading, costing him a sure win.
      Massa's spin in Malaysia and pit lane mistakes, the infamous "fuel hose incident" in Singapore, cost valuable points.
      Räikkönen's form dropped in the second half of the season, limiting Ferrari's ability to score consistently.
      McLaren generally made fewer strategic mistakes and had a more reliable car, allowing Hamilton to capitalize when Ferrari made dumb errors.
      In the last race Lewis Hamilton's team's strategy was crucial, the timing of the rain and Timo Glock's who had gambled on staying out on dry tyres that tipped the scales in Hamilton's favor with HUGE luck... McLaren's decisions, especially the tyre changes were critical in keeping him in contention.
      So..Lewis had huge luck due to others misfortune in 2008 not because his faster than all others in a less car, like Max, Senna, Schumi did.
      Partly true, although 2018 the Mercedes W09 was one of the fastest cars on the grid, but not always fastest across all tracks, that is true. But not as near what is believed if you look at stats. Ferrari's car development seemed to stagnate after the mid-season break, allowing Mercedes to regain their dominance again.
      Over the course of the season, the Mercedes W09 was the most consistent and had the upper hand on a majority of circuits, particularly after the summer break. RedBull did outpace them occasionally. But Merc was still the most dominant car that season

    • @giorx5
      @giorx5 День назад

      @@bobkeul7682 Agreed! Massa was easily more worthy to take that crown back then if team mistakes were included.

  • @Calbac-Senbreak
    @Calbac-Senbreak 2 дня назад +3

    The very best of all times. I was saying it even before the first title, because of the overall difference from his teammates.

  • @atanasio13ltv
    @atanasio13ltv 2 дня назад +6

    Max is right on top with Fangio, Clark and Senna, but he is stilll active

  • @LouSasshall
    @LouSasshall 2 дня назад +20

    max is sehr good 🍺

  • @SafakYokolma
    @SafakYokolma День назад +2

    Woww, what a great video…this is the best way to compare the drivers from different eras!

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Thanks so much Safak!! - Cory

  • @elecovanrenss1352
    @elecovanrenss1352 2 дня назад +14

    very interesting stats. thanks for the info! but it is just unreal that max is doing now, that it is even comparable to fangio and clark, ascari, while it is now so much more difficult. there is so much more competition. it is just nuts. also can we just get max into clark his car and let him drive around zandvoort. i just like to know what laptime he would set

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад +1

      @@elecovanrenss1352 it's the car and all the aiding and abetting from the FIA

    • @elecovanrenss1352
      @elecovanrenss1352 2 дня назад +3

      @@trance9158 hahaha that made me laugh! thanks! great joke upvote to you!

    • @ramarkble101
      @ramarkble101 День назад +1

      Not possible Zandvoort in Clarks time was a different track.

    • @twanheijkoop6753
      @twanheijkoop6753 12 часов назад

      ​@@ramarkble101Doesn't matter, would still be insane to see what max could do in that type of car regardless of laptime comparison.

  • @AJ-fe8om
    @AJ-fe8om День назад +1

    Ah Windsor F1. The only channel where I stay for the outro music.

  • @ottoranking
    @ottoranking День назад +3

    Statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is significant and what they conceal vital.

  • @MichaelCuthbertson-zl6in
    @MichaelCuthbertson-zl6in День назад +1

    Wow! As a long term F.1 fan, this all makes sense.
    Thankyou for this different perspective, gentlemen!

  • @brouwah
    @brouwah 2 дня назад +24

    Yeah, Max is the best ever 🙌🏻

  • @willchb
    @willchb 8 часов назад +1

    When you get a puncture after 40 laps on a tire that should be good for 15, does it count as bad luck? Or when you blow the gearbox for missing too many shifts? Or when you blow up the engine in the last lap after over revving too much during the whole race? Do those count as bad luck? Because those things happened a lot in the old times and there's no way for us to know if it was really bad luck or bad management of the car.

  • @BeeTB1
    @BeeTB1 День назад +4

    Incredible insightful video. Love it!!

  • @Frazec_Atsjenkov
    @Frazec_Atsjenkov 2 дня назад +3

    Wow, this man has some serious F1 knowledge!

  • @papertiger795
    @papertiger795 День назад +3

    How good is Max? Maybe this isn't a statistical analysis... But those that go against him arent just beaten, they're broken. I'd say Hamilton wasn't the same after Abu Dhabi. Seems like half the grid falls under that banner, as teammates or as competition, with more to come in the future. They call it the Red Bull Meatgrinder, but it is the Max Meatgrinder.
    Think of the most recent news, regarding Tsunoda... Could he be the teammate to Hamilton, Norris, or LeClerc, in an identical situation? I think so. But not Verstappen.

  • @floodo1
    @floodo1 День назад +2

    Peter once told me he doesn’t have an outro, so let’s call it his “signature musical ending” haha Whatever we call it though, I enjoy it (-8

  • @Camilo2099
    @Camilo2099 2 дня назад +5

    Great content! Bring Cory more.

  • @chillikoala
    @chillikoala День назад +1

    Largely agree, particularly with the stats that backup Lewis' advantage with a dominant car for several years. It's always bewildering to me when true F1 fans can't separate seemingly obvious facts. One thing I'd argue though, is that it was probably only Schmacher or Senna (possibly Hakkinen and Prost) that could win a race in that 1992 and 1993 Bennetton-Ford. So the table, "Statistics in Seasons with a Car capable of winning races but not championships" would be more accurate if caveated with, "by an average F1 driver of that season". A fuller picture could also then be made with a fourth table, "Statistics in Season with a Car NOT capable of winning races by an average F1 driver of that season". This fourth table would highlight the best drivers.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Thanks man! And yes, that category would be fun, but what do I award? Podiums wouldn’t be enough, as each driver would have like 3 or 6 podiums over 50 races so we’re talking 2% vs. 5% and such, so I’d have to have a data award for 6th place or something. But there’s no doubt Senna and Max and Schumacher would shine here. There wouldn’t be almost Any data for Hamilton or Clark or Fangio or Ascari though.

    • @chillikoala
      @chillikoala 13 часов назад

      @@CPez Yes, some great work you've done there. It would take a lot of work, but I suppose what you could do is try to quantify how much better those selected drivers are than their teammates. Each of their teammates would also be compared to each teammate they've ever had. You could use metrics like, fastest laps and race position per GP. Ultimately, you would end up with an indicative multiplier for each driver. Then for each season, you'd get an indication of where the "average" driver of that season was. Of course, to keep it simple and to keep data analysis practical, it wouldn't be perfect as there'd be gaps to account and make assumptions for, like unforced mechanical failures, team orders, politics, etc..

  • @joeshap2003
    @joeshap2003 2 дня назад +3

    You can manipulate statistics do prove anything you want, in sports or any other subject. It's why the eye test and stats have fueled 24/7 sports talk TV and radio. But your videos are undeniably the best on F1...no stats needed :)

    • @JS-ll8nk
      @JS-ll8nk День назад

      The eye test also confirms Max is the best ever.

    • @joeshap2003
      @joeshap2003 День назад

      @@JS-ll8nk agreed!

  • @W0o0dy
    @W0o0dy День назад +1

    One thing we will never know is of course how any of the all time greats would have faired in todays highly developed f1. Everyone now has great race simulation software, each car is pretty good, few teams are a mess... That might make for a easier life compared to the troubles and challenges from the past but... The competition is no joke these days.. i think you need to more versatile and more perfect to be outstanding these days... I think a few weekends of brilliance used to be enough.. these days it's about performing in 23 weekends, about understanding what is happening, understanding the data, adepting the car or the race craft... Maybe i am wrong but i think a championship now is actually more difficult than it was back then.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +3

      It could be yes, which few people say. Back then, if you found something as a driver on the track, or a tan found something with the car, you’d have a Massive advantage. Today, everyone will find out what you’re doing weather in braking points or on the car in 2 minutes. You have to be superior every second of every race.

  • @Michel-r6m
    @Michel-r6m 2 дня назад +8

    He was hired to TR to let him adapt to F1. He was promoted to F1 and by a bit of luck (Rosberg Hamilton collision) was to drive for P1 Barcelona 2016.
    Now he had the people behind him to show what he with a quality team can achieve.
    A driver like Verstappen gets everybody in focus and make achievements like this possible.
    In the early days it was more (not only) luck to have a car that performed with a driver that could handle it.
    These days it is so close it in my opinion is even more impressive to have a streek of four titles than ever before.

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 2 дня назад

      @Michel-r6m lmao a driver that's a reckless petulant child? You seem to have forgotten all the toxicity that's come from RB, Max, Marko, and Horner... FFS

    • @adrianventer1447
      @adrianventer1447 2 дня назад +1

      ​@trance9158 get out of here , every comment you're hating on verstappen like a petulant child, you're the one bringing all the toxicity you hypocrite 😮

    • @RhomasTotevenaar
      @RhomasTotevenaar 2 дня назад

      @@trance9158 He is talking about race results, if you want to talk about personalities go somewhere else.

    • @Michel-r6m
      @Michel-r6m День назад

      @@trance9158 Ever looked up Lauda/Senna, Senna/Prost, Schumacher/the world and Hunt vs himself?.
      As for teams you can look up Ferrari/Mercedes on how "mature" behaved in the 2010's, and there this guy with earrings...what a benchmark!
      Lotus...Colin Chapman did not care for drivers to be killed as long the brand was running and winning...

  • @Dareios074
    @Dareios074 День назад

    I haven’t seen a more interesting video on YT in a while. Incredible job

  • @giorx5
    @giorx5 День назад +3

    So, Max is one of the greatest. Michael took 3 titles without a dominant car (if not the broken leg he would get the 1999 also and if not totally unlucky in the last race (Interlagos) he would get very close to get another in 1998 & 2006). LH is great but not so much. Prost and Senna were both great ones. Clark might be the best ever indeed.

  • @vincentansemsdevries8165
    @vincentansemsdevries8165 День назад

    I checked Cory's accordion music and I was not disappointed, I never knew I loved accordion. Hanging around Helmut Marko's house with Max playing accordion while Jos and Christian Horner are polka dancing is an image a can not get out of my head.
    What a fascinating character.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      It’s happened multiple times haha

  • @majdsarhan1990
    @majdsarhan1990 2 дня назад +17

    Forgot to add a 'got beaten by their teammate' category (correction)*misinformation

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +3

      It’s in there. Lewis has been beat 4 of 18 times.

    • @majdsarhan1990
      @majdsarhan1990 День назад

      @CPez didn't catch it I guess

    • @shro8605
      @shro8605 День назад +1

      @@CPez -Max has been beaten 2 out 10 times but won't ever be beaten again because his teammates are hired to support Max

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +1

      @@majdsarhan1990In just watching it for the first time so maybe it didn’t make the edit haha. I could send the picture though.

    • @bobkeul7682
      @bobkeul7682 День назад

      @@shro8605 He hasnt been beaten on speed, perhaps on points yes, but that is a comparison for donkeys and fanboys..
      Its actually Sainz who was his main competitor not Daniel... Sainz was the closest to Max 0.06 slower than max.
      Faster Qualify
      Sainz vs verstappen 0.06%
      Ricciardo vs verstappen 0.11%
      Gasly vs verstappen 0.45%
      Albon vs verstappen 0.62%
      Perez vs verstappen 0.46%
      Faster Race wins
      Sainz vs verstappen 54.5%
      Ricciardo vs verstappen 60.6%
      Gasly vs verstappen 90%
      Albon vs verstappen 88.9%

  • @TheNnnniek
    @TheNnnniek 22 часа назад

    By far the best video on the “goat” discussion I have ever seen. However you should discount past performances from e.g. Clark. The constant pressure and and frequency of races puts current drivers, and especially Max’ incredible streak, in a whole different perspective.
    Also, the field is much more competitive nowadays.
    Anyhow, great video. It is clear that Max is the best of all time. Performing at 100% without making mistakes for such a long time, under such high pressure, is something others can only dream of.

  • @MrSpencerTreas
    @MrSpencerTreas 2 дня назад +4

    Loved this.

  • @truth4reel
    @truth4reel День назад +1

    Have only listened to tidbits of this podcast. That out of the way I wanna ask if the stats took into account what teammates all the greats drove against. Some had strong teammates that took stats away from them while others didn't.

    • @danthep
      @danthep День назад

      yeah... rosberg, alonso, russel, bottas vs webber vs perez. Makes a big difference if you have a teammate taking wins off you. Is that because e.g. Hamilton and Vettel weren't good enough to dominate, or is it because Perez isn't good enough to challange?

  • @talbotbid011
    @talbotbid011 День назад +5

    In-coming meltdown from Team LH...

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +2

      I thought I was Very kind to Hamilton people, but the numbers don’t lie haha

  • @kilotangosierra
    @kilotangosierra День назад +1

    really great interview with Jeff Goldblum, was very insightful

  • @williampalfreyman3037
    @williampalfreyman3037 День назад +3

    You haven’t mentioned team mates and team strategies concerning team mates.

  • @samhadden382
    @samhadden382 День назад +2

    What a fascinating breakdown love it

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Thanks Sam!!

  • @ukps9632
    @ukps9632 2 дня назад +18

    Best there ever was, best there ever will be. It's the eye test.

    • @andrewmelton2686
      @andrewmelton2686 2 дня назад +3

      I always saw hamilton as the goat but verstappens ability to beat the mighty perez albon and gasly in equal machinery changed my mind

    • @aaronb4936
      @aaronb4936 2 дня назад +1

      @@andrewmelton2686and beat Hamilton while in pretty much equal quality cars.

    • @kj48tiger
      @kj48tiger 2 дня назад

      @@aaronb4936 Newey himself said the Redbull was faster on average which is absolutely true if you look at the whole season

    • @lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl
      @lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl 2 дня назад +2

      @@kj48tigerthe W12 was actually 0.053s per lap faster on average over the season. Newey wants to take some credit for the WDC win that year, and rightfully so. But Max did win in inferior machinery (albeit not inferior by much).

    • @kj48tiger
      @kj48tiger 2 дня назад

      @@andrewmelton2686 did you just say 'the mighty' ?

  • @BlueJazzBoyNZ
    @BlueJazzBoyNZ День назад +2

    The movie Moneyball looks at the difference between perception and statistics in Baseball

  • @leogyzen4345
    @leogyzen4345 День назад +3

    How about pole to win conversion%? Max has an 80% rate, higher than anybody else. Only Prost in his McLaren days equals that, but it’s 8 wins from 10 poles. Max is 32 wins from 40 poles

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +1

      Well Pole to win doesn’t tell me anything really. And I Love Max, and that stat would help him, sure. But going 3rd to Win is more impressive than Pole to Win anyway.

    • @AlertConsument-py6te
      @AlertConsument-py6te 22 часа назад

      ​@@CPezof all poles of Charles, Max won more races than Charles himself. LOL

  • @familyreurts4978
    @familyreurts4978 День назад +1

    Fascinating theoty, amazing statistics and probably the best way to determine the GOAT. Would love to see the stats if the drivers entire F1 career was considered cause anyone whose chosen GOAT isnt the winner here, will raise that as an objection. But I love this. Thanks Peter for putting this on.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      We go over that in the next video haha

  • @mediascapes2011
    @mediascapes2011 День назад +3

    How good is Lawson and Tsunoda should be the conversation, don't you know by now why and how good Max is Peter!

    • @endthisnonsense7202
      @endthisnonsense7202 День назад

      An totally moot discussion. Red Bull was never going to repeat the mistake of putting a non-Junior driver in the top team, they have heard the anger of the drivers in their jr. program for not getting the chances to promote. And also Red Bull was never knowingly going for a driver staying for 1 year at most knowing Honda will transfer him to Aston Martin in 2026 as it is a Honda driver not a Red Bull driver.

    • @mediascapes2011
      @mediascapes2011 День назад

      @@endthisnonsense7202 How good is Lawson? His career is not that convincing looking at his upcoming, would be nice to have Peter dissect it, not the political cheese, we know that, but the drivers driving skills from a technical perspective, Peter should be able to do it rather then repeat Max ramble.

    • @endthisnonsense7202
      @endthisnonsense7202 День назад

      @@mediascapes2011 I agree currently Tsunoda is better. Lawson has more potential though. And Red Bull was not going for a non-Red Bull jr. again. So it's a moot discussion.

  • @migy5031
    @migy5031 День назад +1

    I think a driver’s performance relative to his teammate should be a factor: ie some teams had a clear #1 driver and some were closely matched. This factor will definitely affect statistics.

    • @zendel7030
      @zendel7030 День назад +1

      Sure, it could be a factor, but the question is how do you interpreted the comparison. Because if two drivers are close to each other in performance, you could argue driver A has a better teammate, or you could argue that driver A is just not so good as it seems.

  • @spudman2000
    @spudman2000 День назад +8

    Let me save you 24 minutes. Max is the greatest of all time, hands down.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      I didn’t say that at All haha, though he is Certainly On Track to be Top 3.

  • @wxx3
    @wxx3 День назад +1

    I really appreciate this analysis. Thanks

  • @JS-ll8nk
    @JS-ll8nk 2 дня назад +8

    He’s the best ever. Put every top 10 driver in the same car over a season and Max comes out on top.

  • @jvd4026
    @jvd4026 17 часов назад

    Should also add the data from the second driver/car to really see how dominant the car was imho. Also add rain races which is another driving quality level. Would be interesting to see what the results would be when this would be also added.

  • @simongilliat2205
    @simongilliat2205 День назад +3

    Fantastic piece! Cory could power an F1 engine on his own! Never seen so much energy. Thank you Peter

  • @johnhill7058
    @johnhill7058 День назад +2

    What a lovely video for the off-season. Cory, its the assumptions you make, to be fair, you acknowledge this, and you are clever enough to troll Windsor with Jim Clark. Verstappen is incredible, but Fangio is and remains the Maestro, never forget that JMF did not get to F1 until he was 36 years old, has the highest all-time win percentage, and, drove for four different manufacturers; wish to say Fangio jumped to the best car, yes, of course, and why, because Fangio was the undisputed best driver and every team wanted him. Eye test? 1957 German GP at Nurburgring- from many minutes down to victory lap record after lap record. Max may be that good, Jim Clark was close, Nigel and Ayrton especially on their day were amazing, but Juan Manual Fangio the humble gentleman from Balcarce is still the best anyone has ever seen.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Thanks John, and yes, 1957 Germany I talk about (might make the 2nd video). Just astounding stuff by Fangio, And yes! He was old when F1 started and he Still has those stats!

  • @OldmanNix
    @OldmanNix 2 дня назад +4

    The comment section is going to be marvellous.

    • @cruxio02
      @cruxio02 2 дня назад

      😁

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Actually it’s just about ALL positive 🎉👍🏻. Glad people enjoy the countries hours I’ve put into this over the years.

  • @NotAfraidToQuestionThings
    @NotAfraidToQuestionThings День назад +1

    Max beat a 7-time world champion (8-time according to this video)... 4 years in a row.
    The more you think of Lewis, the more stellar Max becomes.

  • @koenvanduffel2084
    @koenvanduffel2084 2 дня назад +6

    I am only 3 min into the thing and already love is. My research heart is coming to life.

  • @ARetiredPirate
    @ARetiredPirate 2 часа назад

    Merry Christmas Mr. Windsor.

  • @miquel440
    @miquel440 День назад +5

    I.m watching Senna on Netflix. He was my favorite driver back then.. My first race was with my Dad at the Nurburgring in 1976 as a five year old when Lauda crashed. Not old enough to understand what happened. My Dad was in tears,he was a big Lauda fan. In 1994 we were at Imola together when Senna crashed.I was devistated. Back then Senna was the villain,he was victim of the relentlous actions from Balestre,at that time the Sulayem from the FIA. I see so much similarities with Max now. Max has the same qualities Senna had. Straight forward,no nonsense. Max is the villain now and i love it. He is in another league,his own league,like Senna was. And they share the same brilliance,devotion and honesty. Pure racers and for me Max is the GOAT. As long as Max is driving in F1 nobody will beat him.Never.

    • @shro8605
      @shro8605 День назад +1

      If Max is so great and unbeatable, why Horner having to warn Lawson not to challenge him? Why does Max need so much help to beat his teammates?

    • @miquel440
      @miquel440 День назад

      ​@@shro8605 Really? Your comment is non relevant. Another fake F1 not knowing anything about F1. You are the laughing stock on this channel.

    • @shro8605
      @shro8605 День назад +3

      @@miquel440 -Go read Horner's comments. He has actually said that Lawson is there to support Max.

    • @AlertConsument-py6te
      @AlertConsument-py6te 21 час назад

      ​@@shro8605Max does NOT need a wingman, unlike Lewis.

  • @Reznor_Meeks
    @Reznor_Meeks День назад +1

    What a fascinating fella, I really enjoyed 👍🏻

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Thanks so much!! - Cory

  • @NoxioLukas
    @NoxioLukas 2 дня назад +6

    TLDR; Greats are in that order Clark > Verstappen > Ascari > Fangio > Schumacher > Vettel > Senna > Hamilton. When it comes to winning with having dominant car or just a decent car Max is the best. Vettel and Lewis are at the opposite end.

    • @Khan-ts2ji
      @Khan-ts2ji День назад

      Replace Vettel with Prost and you have my list. Vettel is too overrated IMO.

  • @thomas316
    @thomas316 День назад +2

    After giving it some thought I don't believe this is a valid method of analysis for entire seasons. Luck averages out over the long run. Generally the saying "You win some, you lose some" holds true in racing.
    You could certainly say that individual events beyind human comprehension as to appear random play a part in individual races but not over a season.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Yes, but I account for Everyone in Al races. There are races where Leclerc Should have won but his car shut down, so there are Wins for Max that were taken away.

  • @musamnguni510
    @musamnguni510 День назад +7

    11:15 Yes but we’re not catering for the fact Max has never had a WDC teammate or a competitive teammate in that Period of time. Lewis has multiple times over. Even now he had an opportunity to have Carlos in the Second seat which would’ve guaranteed a constructors title win

    • @elChirrinChirriondelDiablo
      @elChirrinChirriondelDiablo День назад +1

      I guess you can qualify 2 as multiple but that’s not wrong, max never had a WDC as a teammate.

    • @mariobgrant
      @mariobgrant День назад +2

      Agreed. In my opinion, it's the final hurdle to GOAT. That's why redbulls choice for drivers has been disappointing. I think Max is faster than Carlos, yet RB still didn't want him in the car, just shows you how coddled Max is. Easy to look like a genius in the fastest car and a weak teamate.

    • @hectornecromancer5308
      @hectornecromancer5308 День назад

      ​​@@mariobgrant because of the nature of how RBR works (they're working based on the talent they nurtured in their academy for a very long time. Checo is an exception due to they not having any other talent ready to fill the seat at that time). So I won't blame Max for having weak teammate. Even Max himself on his debut isn't that special either, just a talented but very crash prone kid

    • @mariobgrant
      @mariobgrant День назад

      @@hectornecromancer5308 Yuki and Sainz are from the redbull junior program, they have vast experience, doesnt make sense....I believe that Max doesn't care who his teamates are but Jos Verstappen does. Regardless of the reasons, we don't know how good Max really is because he's had weak teamates.

    • @hectornecromancer5308
      @hectornecromancer5308 День назад +1

      @@mariobgrant not that he can do anything about it. Especially knowing what RedBull currently had in their disposal
      Even if they chose Yuki, for example, who knows how long he'll stay, or how he'll perform

  • @xedor2003
    @xedor2003 День назад +1

    I'm surprised that in man's reasoning Senna actually gains a DWC. I thought he would loose a championship to Prost.
    And discussions about "who's the greatest?" are always difficult. I remember Senna in the JPS Lotus driving in front of the Williams at a position he shouldn't be in if he was a regular F1 driver or Senna in the Camel Lotus keeping Mansell, Piquet, Prost, behind him making himself as wide as Gandalf on the bridge at the mines of Moria. Let's just enjoy our memories of the past icons while we make new memories with the present generation, spearheaded bij Max.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      Lose? I see no way in which Senna isn’t more impressive than Prost. Senna 1988 is arguably the greatest example. If you have an 8 hour race, sure, go Prost. If you want an assassin in shorter races like F1, it’s Senna all day.

    • @xedor2003
      @xedor2003 День назад

      @@CPez Dear C, you have not noticed that I wrote nothing negative about Senna's qualities? Au contraire...
      And as many of us older F1 fans know Alain Prost was screwed over twice by the points system in operation those years. Once in Lauda's advantage and later in Senna's advantage. If Prost would have received points in what we (later) consider normal manner then Senna would have lost one titel to Prost.

    • @CPez
      @CPez 17 часов назад

      @@xedor2003 But when I do my stats, I go by a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system. Not the crappy system they used in those years (where Yes, Prost fans know he was screwed on it). But when you take into account luck, Senna won Both 88 and 89 Anyway.

  • @davidelghammer6449
    @davidelghammer6449 2 дня назад +3

    Seat cushion from the Indy 500 in the background! Love it! I had one exactly like it. Indy 500 rules. 🏆 Great show Peter! Fascinating F1 talk.

  • @mark4motion68
    @mark4motion68 День назад +1

    Would have love to Hear you conclude this video at the end Peter

  • @andriesrinsma8470
    @andriesrinsma8470 2 дня назад +7

    Haha all the facts show this Max is the best everrrrrr. already and he has still 10 years to go at least.

    • @StormcastMarine
      @StormcastMarine День назад +1

      best at what? crashing and DNF? yeah, he's far ahead of Lewis there, because he doesn't know how to race within the rules.

    • @AlertConsument-py6te
      @AlertConsument-py6te 21 час назад

      ​@@StormcastMarineDTS-FANGIRL SPOTTED

  • @antonhuman8446
    @antonhuman8446 День назад +1

    Thank you.
    As an individual. I'm not mad about him. At all. Although.
    For what he does. Is masterly perfection. A gut feeling automoten. On auto pilot. Presently. In his stride. Whipping the smoke out of most.
    Will be interesting to how SLH is going to perform in an un-sabotaged Ferrari!

  • @kj48tiger
    @kj48tiger 2 дня назад +8

    A very strong point you are missing is you dont factor in teammates. Hamilton had Rosberg for 3 years. Verstappen had fuck all

    • @Saiko-Johnny
      @Saiko-Johnny 2 дня назад +3

      And don't forget Hamilton had Russell. 😂

    • @Dante-w8f
      @Dante-w8f День назад +2

      @@Saiko-Johnny -And Hamilton had Alonso in 2007 & another peak WDC in Button. Max has had the easiest teammates of all.

    • @dco1019
      @dco1019 День назад +4

      but rosberg is validated as a high tier driver by doing great against hamilton. by that logic Gasly couldve been 'a rosberg' ..but max just crushed him. I think its very likely max wouldve crushed rosberg too in that prime merc. The point is, you're using Rosberg's performance to validate Lewis, but in reality, Rosberg's own validation comes from competing against Lewis. The logic is flawed, its like saying a runner's speed is proven by how well they race against a champion, but then using the runner's ability to validate the champion’s skill. in a two man race (dominant cars) this is circular reasoning since the runner’s worth is only highlighted by the champion, but you’re using the runner to prove the champion's greatness.

    • @shro8605
      @shro8605 День назад +1

      @@dco1019 -No, Rosberg was already considered a very good driver BEFORE Hamilton joined Merc....in fact, Rosberg was tipped to beat Hamilton when he first joined. Rosberg's validation comes mainly from demolishing Schumacher 3-0

    • @dco1019
      @dco1019 День назад

      @@shro8605 Schumacher was a washed up senior who quit racing for years. Also gasly was considered a very good driver before he joined RBR. Thats what im saying Gasly couldve been 'a rosberg'

  • @danieljoseph255
    @danieljoseph255 2 дня назад +2

    Should somehow be required viewing for F1 fans

  • @tonymcflattie2450
    @tonymcflattie2450 2 дня назад +5

    Da best!

  • @HeliozSam
    @HeliozSam День назад +1

    Love to see Elvis back and tell us about how good Jim Clark was

  • @shro8605
    @shro8605 День назад +6

    No disrespect intended, but for me, this is a classic example of how little Americans understand the sport of F1. To mention Bahrain 2021...Hamilton exceeded track limits 29x because it was agreed in the pre-race notes that turn 4 would not be policed in regards to setting a lap time, so why is Corey saying Verstappen should have won that race? Also, Cory has given zero consideration into the quality of teammates. Verstappen doesn't have teammates....his teammates are not allowed to challenge him and there to support him. Even the sister RB team often support Verstappen.

    • @MrNinjaFish
      @MrNinjaFish День назад

      Yeah he's not being specific enough with his analysis. Race-by-race analysis, car comparisons - there isn't enough data.

    • @MrNinjaFish
      @MrNinjaFish День назад

      Also doesn't take into consideration that Jim Clark and other drivers up until the late 1970s raced all year long if you count non-championship events, significantly up until the mid-late 1960s official Grand Prix that counted towards the championship outgrew non-champ events.
      Not specific enough

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад +1

      Cory Here: 1. Because to go into teammate quality, you would be venturing into a level of Subjectivism no one wants to go near. Now we’re debating Rubens vs. Rosberg, Francis Cavert vs. Perez, Peter Collins vs. Mark Webber. I mean, that’s ridiculous since they didn’t accomplish enough to have detailed data, and were at different levels in different seasons. And even if you get through that, it would take even more factors of subjectivity. It’s better to just use it as an afterthought when you have 2 drivers Really cost to reach other to maybe clinch the argument. 2. In Bahrain 2021, the Point, is that Hamilton gained about 0.7-1 second in that race by doing that, MEANING Max would have caught him earlier and would have surely had time to get him, Plus, for god’s sake, can F1 REWARD the great pass?? This is like the NFL killing Great catches because the guys toe Kiiind of touched the white. And forget that I’m American which single gives me negative points (I have Never watched the Netflix show once fyi), I’ve watched F1 since I was 2, and know Many in F1.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      @@MrNinjaFishBut most drivers didn’t compete in them on the honor system so it wouldn’t screw up the Title.

    • @shro8605
      @shro8605 День назад +1

      @@CPez -This is a load of nonsense. Teammate quality is a massive part in how well a driver performs. Senna had Prost, Prost had Senna, Hamilton had WDCs Alonso, Button and Nico Rosberg who was able to demolish Michael Schumacher 3-0. Verstappen has had inexperienced near rookies and mid tier drivers like Perez as teammates. Next year, Verstappen is having yet another rookie teammate Lawson who has been told he is only there to support Max. Put Max against a better calibre teammate and he doesn't look like the supposed god you are trying to portray him as. As for Bahrain 2021 if Max didn't have the intelligence and nouse to take advantage of exceeding track limits as was allowed by the pre race notes, then that's his problem. So no, Max should NOT be given Bahrain 2021

  • @PacoJastorius-gx1fb
    @PacoJastorius-gx1fb 15 часов назад

    Very interesting. One remark, however. When you compare these "runs" it is clearly much harder to keep up a winning percentage of 72% over 73 races than to keep up such a percentage over 26 races. Stated differently: I am quite sure that if you search in that run of Max you will be able to find "partial-runs" of about 26 six races where the percentage was even higher... (says my intuition as somebody who has had quite a lot to do with statistics in my job)

  • @DustySides
    @DustySides День назад +4

    I love how invested people are in these debates. Writing multiple paragraphs defending someone who doesn’t know they exist like their life depends on it… Truly hilarious.

    • @Felgenfahrt
      @Felgenfahrt День назад +1

      Imagine talking down to people while having „he/him“ in your bio, don‘t you have bigger problems to worry about than people being passionate about a sport they follow?

    • @DustySides
      @DustySides День назад +1

      Me thinks thou dost protest too much. I follow the sport, have watched nearly every quali and race every week available to watch in my locality for going on 15 years. I just don’t have a parasocial relationship with the drivers such that my own self worth is wrapped up in how others perceive a car driver.

    • @Felgenfahrt
      @Felgenfahrt День назад

      @@DustySideswho said that anyone has their self worth tied to a driver? Do people just disagree or argue when something their self worth is tied to is involved?

    • @DustySides
      @DustySides День назад +1

      You can tell by the level of personal attacks, hyperbole, and desperation of people’s posts that it is indeed personal. Like, going to someone’s profile and trying to level completely unrelated culture war attacks says someone is taking it very personally.

    • @Felgenfahrt
      @Felgenfahrt День назад

      @@DustySides you come in here and your first comment ever on the channel is talking down to people - you didn‘t expect being talked down to yourself, did you?

  • @Allansybesma
    @Allansybesma День назад +1

    He's like sylvester Stallone in his indy cart movie when he gets into his zone and starts humming.

  • @pedromancenithe3rd
    @pedromancenithe3rd День назад +3

    Look, Max is obviouly a talented F1 driver but I have the same problem with Max that had with Senna and Michael Schumacher, they weren't the cleanest of drivers. Max loses his head when things are not going his way. He has a problem with the red mist.
    Senna and Schumacher were blatent in that they would try and take another driver out if it meant they could stop that driver from winning. A great driver is not only rated on wins, it's how they go about it.

    • @CPez
      @CPez День назад

      That’s a very Leftist way of looking at things. To me the Assassin should be rewarded. This isn’t Tennis; this is motor acing. But look, of Course the fact that Schumacher tried to win 2 titles by crashing into his opponent Hurts his GOAT chances.

    • @NotAfraidToQuestionThings
      @NotAfraidToQuestionThings День назад

      I would agree if it wasn't F1.
      The cleanest wins are due to superior material, while the rough races are all about skill and mentality.
      "This guy was so amazing by never touching anyone and driving 30 seconds ahead of the rest" ... yeah, no shit.

    • @Peter-t9n
      @Peter-t9n 5 часов назад +1

      ​@@NotAfraidToQuestionThingsHmm, Senna deliberately taking Prost out at Suzuka. Schumacher sqeezing Barrichello to the pitlane wall on the main straight in Hungary. Schumacher deliberately parking his car on the track in Monaco to prevent another driver getting pole position. Verstappen taking himself and Hamilton completely off the track on turn4 to prevent an overtake. Schumacher tried to take Jacques Villeneuve, out in the European 97 GP.

  • @TheRackuipedu
    @TheRackuipedu 18 часов назад

    THAT IS THE BEST ANALYSIS I HAVE SEEN ON THE INTERNET!!!!
    AND PLAUSIBEL, TOO
    MOOOOOORE of IT