The Most Underrated S-Tier Build in Diablo 4 | Heartseeker Rogue Fully Perfected!

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  • Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2024

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  • @ZeleronX
    @ZeleronX 3 месяца назад +24

    Never heard of you or seen any of your videos before. But this is the absolute best presentation for a build I have ever seen. Immediate deserving of a sub.

    • @StillWeRide
      @StillWeRide 2 месяца назад +1

      i just found this channel too ..his content is so good

  • @d4mephisto
    @d4mephisto 3 месяца назад +33

    7:36 FINALLY a content creator who thinks about cool-looking sneakers. nobody thought of this before!

  • @sphixion
    @sphixion 3 месяца назад +120

    That fart sound scared the 💩out of me.

    • @spaceburger80
      @spaceburger80 3 месяца назад +3

      It is lethal, indeed. Gets me every time.

    • @LVNCHBOXXX
      @LVNCHBOXXX 3 месяца назад +1

      HAHAHAHA SAME

    • @TheToddcole
      @TheToddcole 3 месяца назад +1

      Every. Damn. Time. 😂😂😂😂

    • @artina5625
      @artina5625 3 месяца назад +1

      Same here 😂😂😂

    • @devoleno
      @devoleno 2 месяца назад +1

      Every.Time.

  • @jessicabritt6990
    @jessicabritt6990 2 месяца назад +3

    My hubby did the Andy’s heartseeker build you put out.. He’s been having a blast.. Almost makes me want to try the game out 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

  • @Stoy4ev92
    @Stoy4ev92 3 месяца назад +20

    "The immortal rogue"... I was watching the entire video thinking "If the build is so important why do you use pots always?". Just as I was about to type like the dad gamer that I am with not just 1 but 2 massive braincells and expose you... Damn it! Looks like the right build for me, papa Perra! Will try it out.

  • @nemesisx9563
    @nemesisx9563 3 месяца назад +8

    I'm all built for heartseeker already, I just got andariels last night, so glad you made this before I switched all my stuff to a barrage build

    • @mikehance6086
      @mikehance6086 3 месяца назад +1

      I was playing barrage and having fun but cant hit for more than 5 million will probably switch to this

    • @charlieboo1830
      @charlieboo1830 3 месяца назад +1

      Um my andariel barrage rogue gets 4 billion dot tick damage. Followed by a bunch of 600 mills every second . Sooooooo your playing it wrong .

    • @mikehance6086
      @mikehance6086 3 месяца назад

      @@charlieboo1830 im using cold barrage not andarials

    • @mikehance6086
      @mikehance6086 3 месяца назад

      @@charlieboo1830 but i have almost 2 billion and terials ring of starless and andarials so i most likely will purchase what gear im missing or farm it and try that build

    • @midnightnine
      @midnightnine 3 месяца назад

      Bro wtf are you running on that gear ​@@charlieboo1830

  • @bjjstrength9161
    @bjjstrength9161 3 месяца назад +8

    Big Dam my Fam, From Barb to Rogue, Trash to Ubers, Perra Gaming may just be the best D4 youtuber. Best alternative-Haiku ever.

  • @marcusbohns
    @marcusbohns 3 месяца назад +2

    Yesterday, done 2 torment duriel and drop starless and doombringer. Today open RUclips to look any build to use them and booom, here I am. Awesome work!!! 🤘🤘

  • @Hymhum
    @Hymhum 3 месяца назад +6

    Thanks algorithm for bringing me here.
    This build looks crazy good and fun.

  • @kingshattah9236
    @kingshattah9236 3 месяца назад +3

    Dude you’re actually one of the best Diablo RUclipsrs lol I love the videos

  • @Gigatless
    @Gigatless Месяц назад +1

    This channel has the exact amount of edginess for me to subscribe to it.

  • @manfredhoudek2385
    @manfredhoudek2385 2 месяца назад

    Flurry build with Enhanced Flurry lets you teleport or blink to a target and heal for 10% and with Subverting Dark shroud that's another 10%. Put on starlight aspect and you have infinite resource. Poison on lucky strike will proc Alchemic and a few points on Trick attacks will increase your Crit and Crit damage tenfold. Put on Saboteurs ring, and you end up stun locking everything, and your stun grenades get lucky strike and poison from your temper. Add Aspect of stolen vigor and you will only need flurry and every 8 seconds have unstoppable. I put on Concealment for extra strike chance and get that nice boost of 10% to maximum resists. Temerity for pants and you will have a shield up permanently.

  • @LICENSEDTOSEND
    @LICENSEDTOSEND Месяц назад

    "you are the ones who are the ball lickers, Love Jay and Silent Bob" LOL great video.

  • @Jman9er9er
    @Jman9er9er 2 месяца назад +4

    Fantastic video. Great build but even better narration! 10/10!

  • @lowlander1397
    @lowlander1397 2 месяца назад

    I love pantaloonies! You earned my sub for that alone. Sweet builds and videos too.

  • @assist_o.k.
    @assist_o.k. 3 месяца назад

    Just wanna say I been playin this build nonstop for 2 days now. It is fun as hell. Thank u so much.

  • @KryssAA
    @KryssAA 3 месяца назад +2

    Heartseeker with gameplay? My man you're a god among youtubers !!

  • @reubenfigley9769
    @reubenfigley9769 2 месяца назад

    Thanks for posting this build. I’m having a blast playing just farming mats for master working. I find with all the uniques my resistances are horrible (minus shadow) but the build claps enemies fast. Senpai you rock.

  • @LFGMattiB
    @LFGMattiB 2 месяца назад

    I've been playing rouge since season 1. This is probably the best and easiest build to get into 130s pit easy. Very good content, my man. Kick ass

  • @Arcannabis
    @Arcannabis 2 месяца назад

    I LOVE your video, lol the instructions with that voice when the cussing starts had me pausing to lol. Also very thorough- great job

  • @krzychood
    @krzychood 3 месяца назад +2

    I just discovered this channel and I love it already.. Dude sounds like a swearing Phil Collins 😂.

  • @RogerKaharik
    @RogerKaharik 3 месяца назад +6

    Heart seeker is back baby

  • @ZephyrDTV
    @ZephyrDTV 3 месяца назад

    Season 4 introduced me to HeartSeeker,, started S5 with a build like S4, Andariel and other Mythic gears on Vulne, but hitting very low damage... Last week started to revamp my gears and changed to Crit Damage with cold imbue build, luckily no changes on the Mythic items, and now I'm hitting under 60M damage with mostly at 500k... will look after this one build if there are changes...

  • @tolgazbk
    @tolgazbk 3 месяца назад

    was rocking this build sind last week, then got my first Mythic, it was doombringer. And now you are using it in the build...BIG THANK YOU Amazing Streamer Senpai!

  • @rogerunternahrer7805
    @rogerunternahrer7805 2 месяца назад

    Wow, great upgrade of your gear since last time.😉👌🏻 Till now i was not lucky to get mystic Items. I just run 3 characters up and got the 4. by kill the first 200 boss.
    So i decided to focus on the andariels build. It‘s now strong enaught to farm mystic stones. It‘s just a question of time and i will build up my heartseeker build to the moon.🤣👌🏻😉🍻
    Thank you for the guide, it‘s so much helpfully.🍻

  • @Dekkayrd
    @Dekkayrd 2 месяца назад

    Great guide mate, switched over to this from andy build (tho I'm still using the helm) and this build fucking SLAPS. Got yourself a sub from me!

  • @l3g3ndkill3r4
    @l3g3ndkill3r4 3 месяца назад

    Another great video my boy! Been making all your builds every season and have not been disappointed💯

  • @StillWeRide
    @StillWeRide 2 месяца назад +1

    rogue > sorc This was supposed to be my sorc season. I mostly played druid though😂😂 this makes me wanna roll a rogue before vessel

  • @shmeagol
    @shmeagol 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for the build Perra. I’ve been rocking this one but Andy’s Visage just dropped. Is there a way I can integrate Andy’s into this build or should I go for a different build based around Andy’s?

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  2 месяца назад +1

      I've got a heartseeker andy build on my channel!

    • @shmeagol
      @shmeagol 2 месяца назад

      @@PerGamingGames🔥🔥🔥

  • @italyknight1
    @italyknight1 2 месяца назад

    Unparalleled presentation, sub for sure

  • @osric729
    @osric729 3 месяца назад +1

    @0:20 Phew. Came into the season late, and I can't afford brain cells.

  • @jamesmoes9712
    @jamesmoes9712 2 месяца назад

    This build is a fucking blast to play, make sure you get 3 dodge charge boots!! I swapped out the hat with a Shakko, also I added an energy per second GA, and a energy on kill on a ring.
    It's really easy to manage the Shard of Verathiels now.

  • @WeTr1umph
    @WeTr1umph 2 месяца назад

    Got doombringer today and was gonna DE for the spark. Welp, not anymore! Best D4 RUclipsr around. Cheers.

  • @fi0nn
    @fi0nn 3 месяца назад +1

    Holysh*t ... This is so fkn good D4 content, fkn good channel. so I fkn sub rn. 😁

  • @briankern9687
    @briankern9687 2 месяца назад

    Omg the narration was fuckin great, subbed

  • @petkostoyanov9783
    @petkostoyanov9783 3 месяца назад +3

    One brain cell dad here 😅, the build is fun to play, but I am still struggling with infernal hordes 6 and above. Can clear all other content though. I think the doombringer is more of a necessity than luxury here. Will have to grind my ass off to get one. And wasn't the German guy explaining we will be drowning in uber uniques?! How is this not happened yet.

    • @vectorfox4782
      @vectorfox4782 2 месяца назад

      P4wnyh0f is full of 💩

    • @dougriffle
      @dougriffle 2 месяца назад

      I'm with you here. I cannot beat tier 7 with this build, but can get by tier 6, but only getting around 300 tokens or w/e they are called. The only thing I'm missing is the doombringer. I've accepted it has to be a case of I don't know what the fuck i'm doing. Everything else I can melt though so I dunno.

    • @vectorfox4782
      @vectorfox4782 2 месяца назад

      @@dougriffle you’re doing it wrong. Doombringer only nerfs the build. You have to use a Shard of Verathiel, Umbracrux, and Skyhunter as your Bow. All with at least 1GA.

    • @petkostoyanov9783
      @petkostoyanov9783 2 месяца назад

      ​@@dougriffleyea...so I solved the problem by creating lightning spear sorc 😂 Dominates the game and clears 7-s and 8-s with ease, oneshots tormented bosses.Fuck the rogue, it's not the same class after they butchered twisting blades. Will not play it anymore.

    • @petkostoyanov9783
      @petkostoyanov9783 2 месяца назад

      Uber Lilith - no prob with the sorc as well.

  • @jeffjones8489
    @jeffjones8489 3 месяца назад

    Dam another god build that I'm now playing. Heartseeker is great. Ty my man

  • @St1key
    @St1key 3 месяца назад +2

    *We're making it out of single fatherhood with this one* 🗣🗣

  • @briangraham6264
    @briangraham6264 2 месяца назад

    Huge fan of your content!!!!
    Question with this build guide could doom bringer sword work??

    • @pscholes18
      @pscholes18 2 месяца назад

      Yes its in the build

  • @wyk72
    @wyk72 3 месяца назад

    I'm using this build for the last week. Really strong, and fun to play. Things got gooood when I got the Starless Sky tho. Can do tier 6 inf hordes but struggling a bit: need more masterworking for t7, or even better, the cumbringer.... thanks Perra Senpai ^^

  • @yongzillak3836
    @yongzillak3836 3 месяца назад

    Love your vid. It's hilarious yet very useful info and a nice nice build.🤣 Thanks so much for sharing!

  • @countfloydschillerhorrorth2090
    @countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 3 месяца назад +1

    1:23 is that when you leave your windows open and doors unlocked at night. hahaha(Hey I had to say it)

  • @Chipshotz
    @Chipshotz 3 месяца назад

    Finished leveling my Sorc last night, Time for the Heartseeker. Big Dam!

  • @timford44
    @timford44 3 месяца назад

    Thank you. always informative and a good laugh.

  • @paologitara7203
    @paologitara7203 3 месяца назад

    thanks for this. subscribed! quick question, why diamonds on weapons instead of emeralds?

  • @nikcaler
    @nikcaler 3 месяца назад

    To be honest, the wizard is fed up, luckily I saw your build

  • @terrellkelly7512
    @terrellkelly7512 3 месяца назад

    Thank goodness. I needed this!

  • @paulharris7463
    @paulharris7463 2 месяца назад

    Probably one of the best vids I have watched in a long time..I was fucking dying watching this the whole time..😂😂😂

  • @1uvakindfpv
    @1uvakindfpv 22 дня назад

    I don't even play Diablo 4, but I bought the game because of this video.

  • @lusaman7295
    @lusaman7295 3 месяца назад

    video super complète, j'adore, très bon travail

  • @damionakabk
    @damionakabk Месяц назад

    I like the content very funny af homie

  • @lolololalala8225
    @lolololalala8225 3 месяца назад

    I love your builds, and I also love heartseeker.

  • @francescopace7079
    @francescopace7079 3 месяца назад

    my man, big thank you for your flurry....its rockin and my gear is crap, i'm still running 2 800 items and did t5 with sorc without dying and nm99 without dying...I've put on the teleport node though, its fricken fast

  • @mxfreak117
    @mxfreak117 3 месяца назад

    My man!!! Love the detail, thank you. In the t7 shit gear version wearing beastfall boots, do you still need the innervation tempers? Don’t the boots keep pretty close to max resource?

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  3 месяца назад +1

      Nope you don't, it is just there as to not screw up your gear as you progress to the good gear versions

    • @mxfreak117
      @mxfreak117 3 месяца назад

      @@PerGamingGames gotcha, thank you sir!

  • @megajunghans4134
    @megajunghans4134 2 месяца назад +1

    Why Alchemical advantage (poison dmg increaes attack speed & lucky hit) in the Skilltree on the planner?
    It would make sense, but where is the source of poison dmg?

  • @MrVCXV
    @MrVCXV 3 месяца назад

    Is nutz …I tried ur build when u post the first video

  • @nosleepforme2242
    @nosleepforme2242 3 месяца назад +1

    How well does this compare to Andariels, and is it more fun in your opinion? Also, do you think it will be improved if the key passive is fixed? People seem to be avoiding it.

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  3 месяца назад +1

      Both builds clears all content so at this point it is mainly about what you find fun. If victimize is fixed then the build will probably be completely broken lol

  • @siegfriedvaz
    @siegfriedvaz 2 месяца назад

    Thank you, Sir! 🍺

  • @cradleoffilth691
    @cradleoffilth691 3 месяца назад

    This build is nuts i got starless last night on my first zir torment have everything but koombringer and not even level 94 and i can run tier 95 NM dungeons

  • @KneightRiduh
    @KneightRiduh 2 месяца назад +2

    Love this build but I'm so squishy for some reason I get 1 shot like crazy the second barrier drops. What am I missing? All res are at about 70%

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  2 месяца назад +2

      max life proly, u can pick up more health in the paragons if u want or play with tyraels might

    • @Tangies
      @Tangies 2 месяца назад

      @@PerGamingGames how much u recommend ffr

  • @lukeblue2089
    @lukeblue2089 2 месяца назад

    This fucking narration is so fucking funny. Building this right now

  • @enderbh
    @enderbh 3 месяца назад +3

    Why use the Chip Glyph? Are we dealing any physical damage?

    • @DinizDriver
      @DinizDriver 3 месяца назад

      Tyrael

    • @pc574
      @pc574 3 месяца назад

      Heartseeker is still considered physical. I was hesitant when I first started playing it this season but it helps a lot

  • @Glassauge
    @Glassauge Месяц назад

    Is this build still good in s6? I enjoyed that one a lot and I hate the beyblade builds with dance of knifes. Not sure if beastfall boots are still bugged and about the skill tree and victimize tho...

  • @scorpsnake101
    @scorpsnake101 3 месяца назад

    Subbed, keep up the great work and don't lose that humor..activated all braincells to type this..good luck 👍

  • @mat-johan
    @mat-johan 3 месяца назад +1

    "p4wny would have said yes" 😂😂

  • @GhostyMIA
    @GhostyMIA Месяц назад

    are you sure about the dark shroud? it specifically says it needs to be cast , and not proced.

  • @yugenmix
    @yugenmix 2 месяца назад

    Bruh you had me laughing when you started talking about how it's okay to have dog shit gear. I gave you a subscribe for that! 👍

  • @mxfreak117
    @mxfreak117 3 месяца назад +1

    For the t7 version you still have points in alchemical advantage, but took the poison dmg temper out. Is there poison damage somewhere else I’m not seeing or can those poison skill points be moved?

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  3 месяца назад +1

      Thx man it's supposed to be poison dmg temper, accidently swapped when updating the planner

    • @mxfreak117
      @mxfreak117 3 месяца назад

      @@PerGamingGames no thank you!

  • @akoaymagiting11
    @akoaymagiting11 2 месяца назад

    BRO GAME CHANGER

  • @kellyharris4234
    @kellyharris4234 3 месяца назад

    I am torn between this build and your flurry build, which do you perfer?

  • @jerrymcdaniel6643
    @jerrymcdaniel6643 3 месяца назад

    So there’s 2 other helmets that can work too, the god one and the Lucian one. Will the ice boots work or is it better to just use the stun affix? Also is there an infinite death trap build?

  • @Popity_
    @Popity_ 2 месяца назад

    Out of curiosity. Would flickerstep work for the boots instead? Automatically fills the ult damage. So you can put basic attack damage on the weapons instead of ult dmg

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  2 месяца назад +1

      Yea it works but you're losing an aspect which is more dmg than the gems

  • @96kire96
    @96kire96 3 месяца назад

    Is lucky hit chance to slow on pants also viable? or is it only freeze, stun, daze?

  • @ForgedResilience
    @ForgedResilience 3 месяца назад

    My man's fucking hilarious. Great vid as always

  • @8540lucho
    @8540lucho 3 месяца назад

    Hi!
    I have all the gear with the rolls and tempers correctly, however I see you're hitting 50M normally, I'm hitting maybe 2-5M normally
    I know my gear lacks a lot of masterworking (i.e. Damage per shroud) is that the cause of the difference in damage? Or I should double check everything?
    I'm also running penitent greaves and tyraels might instead of yours, could that also affect?
    Thanks!

  • @M4RTN11
    @M4RTN11 3 месяца назад +1

    Love this channel 😂

  • @Fabian80
    @Fabian80 2 месяца назад

    What should I change in the build to use Tyraels Might with it?

  • @Ubercubertuber
    @Ubercubertuber Месяц назад

    I tried to copy the t8 version. IPoison and lightning resistance is @ 68.6%, cold is at 53%. Armor is at 8k. IS the paragon board missing something?

  • @やまやも-c2g
    @やまやも-c2g 3 месяца назад

    Does Lucky Hit's Dark shroud also grant invincibility?

  • @nomercy9569
    @nomercy9569 2 месяца назад

    Hi, what about harlequin or lucion and tyraels in this build? Are they profitable or nameless and khaduras better?

  • @ketomousketo3345
    @ketomousketo3345 3 месяца назад

    Thank you, master

  • @rj595
    @rj595 2 месяца назад

    You are the greatest youtuber of our time. SUBBED FOR COMMENTARY (also skill 🤙🏼)

  • @JWindon
    @JWindon 3 месяца назад +2

    Some of the paragons use Chip and others Canny. With Cold clip aspect, is our dps non-physical?

    • @DinizDriver
      @DinizDriver 3 месяца назад +1

      Tyrael

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  3 месяца назад +1

      We got enough physical to keep it up on bosses, using it for the 10% multi and dexterity. On average the glyphs are pretty much the same, chip is slightly stronger in longer fights and better if you want to try out tyraels

    • @jamesmoes9712
      @jamesmoes9712 2 месяца назад

      Did you swap out the shirt for Tyraels might? I was gonna try that, I'm smoking T8's using Kandh

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  2 месяца назад

      @@jamesmoes9712 Ye for pit

  • @rumersonlaeno6930
    @rumersonlaeno6930 3 месяца назад +1

    Another banger! Arnie is cooming.. :))

  • @gerryd7027
    @gerryd7027 3 месяца назад

    Awesome build as per usual. It would be really helpful if you said how many points you put into each skill instead of just saying you need this. Small thing but huge benefit. 😎

  • @bZgtHeSTD
    @bZgtHeSTD 2 месяца назад

    You have nothing to boost your lucky hit chance . How are you gonna proc daze and trick atrack ?

  • @mattmercer6355
    @mattmercer6355 2 месяца назад +1

    Maybe I’m missing something but how are we getting the Frost Imbuement bonuses if we don’t have it equipped to our skill bar?

    • @DeLaRue-g4r
      @DeLaRue-g4r 2 месяца назад

      Same with the dark shroud can someone explain it

    • @tonexbot
      @tonexbot 2 месяца назад

      Basic skills are ALWAYS cold imbued. No need to put it in the skill bar as it automatically does on every basic skills.

    • @tonexbot
      @tonexbot 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@DeLaRue-g4r
      When you have the Umbrous Aspect applied on your pants, the Dark shroud will automatically appear on every critical hits.

    • @mattmercer6355
      @mattmercer6355 2 месяца назад

      @@tonexbot dose it scale with lucky hit chance?

  • @ragnarokfps
    @ragnarokfps 3 месяца назад

    In the planner, it looks like the only change between this build and the last one from like 6 days ago is to switch the key passive from victimize to close quarters. Does that really warrant an entirely new video and new planner?

  • @mariacruza756
    @mariacruza756 3 месяца назад

    "Regardless of gear or amount of brain cells" LMAO

  • @chrisiaigner6030
    @chrisiaigner6030 2 месяца назад +1

    i only watch this videos because they a fk!n cool

  • @DyvsRow
    @DyvsRow 3 месяца назад

    I love your british commentary, hilarious !

  • @mustafahussam8153
    @mustafahussam8153 3 месяца назад +1

    is there a variant that utilizes the andarials helm? It would be so cool with the poison novas now replacing the victimized AOE dmg maybe it works with the creeping death aspect as well as dot dmg like the other rogue builds

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah Andy heartseeker is strong too but cowl of the nameless is just broken, so Andy hs will have to be another build

    • @mustafahussam8153
      @mustafahussam8153 3 месяца назад

      @@PerGamingGames it would be apprecited if u post something about it and i promise u will have alot of fun theory crafting it cuz u ll be swapping gear alot like i was using the build without the shard and starless

  • @briandickson6470
    @briandickson6470 2 месяца назад

    Does Shadow of Khanduras "Immune" ability trigger when Umbrous happens?

  • @TheQuaxxy
    @TheQuaxxy 3 месяца назад

    Question: how does death trap work? u put diamond gems into weapons. if its that good.. why not use GA flickersteps with 900% ultimate dmg?

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  3 месяца назад

      We just want it for the no witness node

  • @jessi690
    @jessi690 3 месяца назад

    Guess I will make 2nd rogue this season just to play this build 😂

  • @Sp0ngeb0b-k3c
    @Sp0ngeb0b-k3c 3 месяца назад

    question sorry why chose exploit if you already have vuln with cold clip(cold imbue enhancement)?

  • @Primetexru
    @Primetexru 3 месяца назад +3

    My dear Man, first of all, thank you for the content. Saw a lot of chaps with d4 content but I must say, you just make the vids go for Oscars.
    Second, hello from Mother Russia, hope the conscious man will prevail and we be friends again, send U my love.
    Last thing I wanted to ask is that U make a vid for Necro severe build, I am trying to build it now and it is as fun as my childhood, however I am sensing that something is lacking. Hope you'll read this and say" Well, my dear red friend, here is the build that will make you forget the cold war"😂😂
    Again, big respect to you, cheers m8"

  • @Jyeoi
    @Jyeoi 3 месяца назад +1

    I was laughing so much watchibg this

  • @Vtinoco
    @Vtinoco 3 месяца назад

    Harlequin Crest Isn't it better for this build?

  • @umairinhio
    @umairinhio 3 месяца назад

    How is Chip Glyph working with cold imbument??? Chip is for physical, so how does it work ?? Shouldn't we use canny??

    • @PerGamingGames
      @PerGamingGames  3 месяца назад +1

      The other skills keeps it up on bosses, it works with tyrael if you use it, it utilizes dex so on avg. it's slightly stronger than canny due to how much additive damage we have