NEW Metal Gear Solid 2 Facts Discovered Ft. David Hayter
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- The voice of Snake himself, David Hayter, narrates a deep dive into some newly discovered facts about Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty on PlayStation 2 (PS2).
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ill never get tired of hearing about kojima's batshit insane ideas and his team going "no dude, we're not adding that" and that's the end of it. it gets me every time.
And hearing solid snake tell them is the best
GODAMN IT I THOUGHT I WAS COOL AND ORIGINAL USING THIS PIC
@@uberxl as far as we know, we're the only ones with this profile picture now
In my opinion, the best games happen when you start with crazy ideas out the wazoo and pare it down to what works. Especially compared to games that start out small and spend their development adding more
@@uberfreak2 Hard agree with this. Reining in crazy ideas always turns out better than trying to expand on mundane ones.
Kojima: *wants to make another mechanic related to a gross bodily function*
The development team: "why are you like this?"
「お前を傷つけたのは誰だ?」
At least you can get pissed on by a male guard.
I hate to say it but Hideo "I wanna make a lot of weird period jokes" Kojima needed the leash that Konami kept him on just as much as Konami needed his whacky ideas.
@@lightsideofsin8969
I think it's a good thing he mostly has the freedom to do whatever he wants ideas wise these days.
Not all of those ideas are guaranteed to be good,
but at the very least they'll be interesting and keep players guessing 😅
He is based i love him lmaooo
Kojima: I’m the one in charge here, we’re making the game I want to make
Staff: no, you’re not giving Raiden a tramp stamp
Kojima: damn it!
Kojima- They laughed at me... At my Vision!!!!
"I can't believe they won't let me give Arsenal Gear a vagina! They're so childish!"
Why am I imagining this like a clip from The Office?
I love that the moment the collection came to pc one of the first mods made for it was an emo femboy retexture with a tramp stamp (same person also did an emo/goth redesign for Dante and Vergil in dmc3 yes also with tramp stamps)
@@MemesToa Y'know, thinking about that, a T.V series about a games developer company in the style of the office would probably be hilarious!
Kojimas a strange guy.. thank god his staff was around to keep him in line.
Love how he called them childish when he's the one trying to name parts of the ship after vaginas.
It was a blessing that Kojima wasn't surrounded by bunch of yes-men
You're right, was
@@kraatarin8226 he clearly was when he made ds. The staff that kept him in check are heroes.
Kojima is like George Lucas, the insane visionary with all the ideas.
And while you need him you also need to curb his enthusiasm or his prequels will be garbage
Kojima wanting to make an emotional scene like the death of a main cast's sister into a period joke & having the gall to call his staff "childish" is soooooo out of pocket. 😭
Maybe it was supposed to be morbid? Like she was so unaware of her impending death that she(in delirium) was just correcting them??? Idk.
Kojima: "The staff are irate that I wish one of the Cobras to embody the emotion of nausea. They claim that having a guy jump around farting and puking everywhere is just weird. But they're fine with the guy covered in bees? I don't get them."
@@Del_S actually completely wouldnt mind that. Try watching Gyo: Tokyo Fish attack. Its creepy
its not just a joke
He also told us fans that we would be ashamed of ourselves once we found out why Quiet needed to be so scantily clad... It was cuz she breathed through her skin and could have too much of it covered...
Edit: capitalized Quiet who is from MGS V The Phantom Pain
Kojima's staff saved the game in so many ways. The music choices are all significantly better than what he wanted
For real. Billy Joel in mgs? No.
The music choices are like the first and last impressions of each game and I would argue are some of the most important aspects
I think, New York, New York would’ve been a fitting closer to MGS2, but the other choices are kind of silly lol. The ones we got are definitely classics.
My customized Rose would just look like David Hayter.
Same
Someone pin this thread
The perfect woman = a man.
Interesting 🥵
He's like a good looking Tom Cruise
"but in this video, we only included the highlights"
Not even half a minute later "kojima wanted blood to come from Emma's crotch"
it's interesting how Kojima actually mentioned half life in his diary. It and MGS1 were both revolutionary for their time for how they managed to convey a story, and the funny part is they went in completely opposite directions
IT's funny how both series suffered a somewhat phantom pain in the absence of a satisfying conclusion to their stories. HL2:e2 clearly implies a sequel and MGSV didn't come full circle the way we hoped.
@@MarlonAnthony Suffered a what?
Yeah sometimes Kojima needs to be brought back down to earth by his team.
For all you know, he provides only 5% of the final product.. the rest is the actually-talented people around him.
Yea, but somehow kojima gets praised to high heavens, well gamers are dumb people 😂 @@Big_Dai
@@Big_Dai Kojima has great ideas and small details that make the games more alive ( and great movie scenes) but holy hell I dbout any of his shit would work if it wasn't for the team around him, his "games" would just turn like MGS4 which is barely a game, it's more of a long demo-movie to fill out the story
Id almost compare him to a George Lucas type, he’s creative but needs others around him balance him out for the best ones to stick
@@justatoaster7476 there's one big difference between him and Lucas; Kojima is fully aware how weird his ideas are. He's said as much before MGS2, he's talked about wanting to make all these, in his own words, *really* weird games, but he never followed up on them because he knew they'd be completely unmarketable and financially untenable. I don't think Lucas ever considered the idea that his ideas were over the top until people actually watched the prequels. Kojima *knows* his ideas are ridiculous.
Haha, I love that the script says Kojima had to "settle" for the original music that seems so much better than the odd licenced music choices they couldn't afford
kojima in a nutshell
We say that, looking back, but who knows? Maybe it would have created a whole new generation of OMD fans? We attach the emotions of the experience to the music. I don't think I'd have liked Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday, had I not first heard it in the wind down from a mesmerised push to the end of the game.
@@NoobixCube
That's a great point, but especially the ending song I just can't imagine hittin' as well as the real score when I was seeing my own name on a dogtag because I'd completely forgotten I'd put it in at the beginning of the game
But the ending could have been so different back then, even the very late stages of MGS2 ending was censored because of 9/11 (supposedly) so who's to say how much it evolved
Like the song at the end of MGS 3. First play through it flows but when you listen it sounds really dumb
Back when I was like 8 years old and beat mgs one and heard that beautiful song with the polar bears made me cry.
I LOVE that Hayter comes back for these! I’d love to see Otacon and Raiden join in too!
Oooooooooh... You're probably not gonna see Raiden doing any of these any time soon...
@@brigadier-tc8565 Why? He's still a huge Metal Gear fan and as far as I know there's no controversy surrounding him?
@@Efreeti Errrrrr... I'm afraid there kinda is controversy around him. Some serious allegations came up a few years ago, and if I remember correctly he didn't handle them well
@@brigadier-tc8565 damn, sorry I missed that. I'm gonna have to look that up
@@brigadier-tc8565 actually he did come back and proved that they were a stalker fan. He had the receipts.
I think the influence of Kojima's team and the people around him have been grossly overlooked in the success of MGS 🤣
Agreed.
That lack of people might have made Death Stranding playable.
All a huge part of why I say Metal Gear can still be good without Kojima, lol. He was important as a charismatic lead, but he was FAR from the only creative force behind these games! I say this as a Portable Ops enjoyer, so I guess probably take what I said with a grain of salt or whatever, lol.
@@ToshisGardenRising was also good and Kojima had barely anything to do with it so we can definitely have good MGS games without him. As you pointed out he was just a charismatic lead, he basically used the games to become a celebrity but as we can see from his solo career he’s extremely pretentious without people to tell him no (Death Stranding.)
I kinda get the impression that the only people who think MGS needs Kojima are people who worship him.
It's a bit hard to know who did what or contributed to what when there's always this huge text that says "A HIDEO KOJIMA GAME" everywhere. Like seeing that so much probably implanted many suggestions into people
@jackflynn412 Oh, absolutely! Creatives like him, Miyamoto, and Sakurai certainly deserve a degree of respect, but they also all definitely need to be kept on their own leash at the same time, same for Inafune. I'd argue three of the best creative-types that immediately come to my mind here that actually tend to deliver would be Koji Igarashi, Sam Lake, and Suda51...though that last one is admittedly very divisive, lol.
That being said, back on topic, again you are absolutely right about Rising, as well!! Ghost Babel is another excellent example of a great Metal Gear game done without Kojima's primary involvement (I say this, and I never finished the second story; I just beat the first story). I'd say Kojima certainly has his writing credits, as I believe Snatcher was moreso his direct brainchild, iirc, and I really enjoyed the heck outta that--to the point that it's one of my favorite adventure/point-and-click/visual novel-style games!! Even with that being said, I think he especially needed more editors to keep him in check as time went on. For that, I think Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and Snatcher came along at just the perfect point in his career.
15:18 Snake we need you to locate the Diaper Chief.
"Diaper Chief?"
pin this
Ohhhh chat.
I can’t wait for David to say this to Vinny the next time they meet.
DIARRHEA CHA CHA CHA!!!
We need to ask mark hamil about that mgs audition. I really wanna know
The guy forgot he voiced Majima in the first Yakuza, he probably wouldn't remember this one either.
'So Otacon stayed poor.' Otacon must suffer.
*sobbing *
At least his sister's death didn't end up being a period joke
But he did get to tap Naomi.
"His staff unanimously hated the idea, so it didn't make the final cut either" GOOD??? Good god man lol.
"just 'cause i'm snake doesn't mean they keep me on the loop in scheduling" lol gotta love this man
good timing with the metal gear trailer that just came out
what
what
@@spice4life.64 metal gear delta
@@Griffith74 ty
I la-le-lu-le-love David Hayter.
"As soon as I saw that magic, I knew I had to add a genderless magician boss character." -- only sentences Hideo Kojima would ever say. Fantastic video!
Kojima and the Japanese game industry were woke before woke was a thing. 😂
Do you agree that why Mother 3 doesn't released outside Japan because of woke characters?
I simply cannot even imagine MGS1 without The Best Is Yet To Come. That song brought me and others to tears and to this day gives me goosebumps anytime I listen to it.
"MGS1 wasn't interactive enough, with some critics saying it was like a movie"
Kojima then coming with MGS4 out of spite
Split screen mode coming back with a vengeance too
I'm pretty sure MGS4 was, in fact, made with spite in mind.
and then in GZ and V, he finally got his more interactive cutscenes... at least in some missions, like Shining Lights... also guess the skullface car ride counts....
I think the biggest takeaway is that for as brilliant as Kojima is, he's also only as good as all the sensible people he has around him to say "TF you thinking my man?". If Kojima had completely unlimited artistic control, there would be a LOT of questionable decisions that might have ruined the impact these games had. But credit to Kojima for never being deterred and continually throwing out wild and outlandish ideas just to see what might work. The final product we got is both the work of Kojima's completely untethered (and frankly unhinged) imagination being anchored to reality and practical limitations by his outstanding team.
Kojima didn't get his real time Mexican Standoff ending in MGS2, but Red Dead Redemption 2 *did* pull it off a few decades later, and it was indeed glorious, even if the player is the only one who switches targets repeatedly, and shooting early results in Game Over.
''Cool! David Hayter is back to narrate a DidYouKnowGaming video?''
''David Hayter never left...''
"He's been hiding in the vents and we don't know how to get rid of him"
So cool to have Snake himself narrate again!
In regards to Liquid voicing pliskin: in the Japanese version, the VA for Solidus was the same for Solid.
That shaver you can give to Snake is only gotten on hard mode or higher.
I am SO glad the 80's tracks were too expensive, we would never have heard the 3 beautiful songs composed for MGS. BUT, super glad they got a ton of music for MGSV and it's nice to know Mr. Kojima was able to implement the concept of popular music in that game
Can't lie - I'm glad that Kojima was halted from implementing a number of these intended ideas and desires.
Great vid!
Kojima really went through his own little snake arc while developing this game, war changed him
Kojima's staff are just as much geniuses as Kojima for shooting down a few of those ideas. Dodged a few bullets there. Still my favorite game in the franchise. The story has so much to chew on.
I'm glad for the songs we got. That opening and closing are iconic. Over 20 years later, I still love that jazzy final song and those closing shots of New York. Absolutely beautiful!
interesting how the split screen cutscene thing came back for MGS4 when Raiden fights vamp on top of REX
Also in the microwave hallway, though the gameplay there is less involved
Best curb to Kojima was using The Best is Yet to Come.
Legendary song
So powerful
I'll admit, the split-screen cutscenes is a really cool idea, but I can't imagine it running at a good framerate on PlayStation 2.
MGS2 ran at 60 FPS (or somewhere near) so maybe it wouldn't be unplayable.
@@FutureDeep I know it runs at 60 FPS on PlayStation 2, but I took the Xbox port into consideration, as that version has a choppy framerate.
"Did you rike it?"
I love David Hayter. Hes the man.
I'll give Kojima credit for not being stubborn.
He has a lot of goofy ideas and that's why we love him, but what this video showed me is he's always willing to listen to his team.
I love that David Hayter does these. I imagine he's getting paid something, but still awesome.
Anyone else feel like letting Kojima run free would have resulted in disaster?
No
@@CerealKillerYes….look at the dumpster fire that is Phantom Pain’s story
@@davefan16 well he doesnt want to work metal gear solid after 2 but people beg him to direct it
Yes. And if someone doesn't believe, then Death Stranding is the proof. Horrible game
Phantom pain is an example… the MSX games and metal gear solid 1-4 along with the portable games were enough for me
Absolutely the right call using "The Best is yet to Come". Such an iconic piece.
Kept you waiting, huh?
"I'll say"
Kojima is a completely insane person. He sees anything ever, and finds a weird way to maybe implement it somewhere.
David's a class act and as far as i've seen and heard, a stand up guy especially to the fans.
Now about Guyver 3....
In the words of David Hayter's Guyver:
"No."
@@FutureDeep Yea sadly that's the reality of things.
But a man can dream.
Thank you DidYouKnowGaming for another Metal Gear video narrated by the great David Hayter
Man David Hayter is the best. I could listen to him talk about anything. I love these videos that he does for them so much.
I was just thinking this! They should get him for every video if you ask me lol
Just keep this series going forever please. I could listen to the guy that did the screenplay for x-men talk about mgs forever
Yes, the Watchmen head writer is quite a classy guy.
David, thank you for putting extra sauce on "rectum"
Can't take a bite without the sauce.
I barely…never mind.
Delta trailer and a video with David Hayter all in one day
Could listen to David ALL DAY!
That part about the ending being a standoff with flashback sequences, those interactive flashbacks eventually were added to MGS: 4, and the whole selecting different missions showed up in Peace Walker.
I love learning new info about this game!!!
I'm glad Kojima's staff rejected some of his ideas here. They were... very out of place. I still would have loved the possibility of Raiden going bald. I can imagine gaming magazines at the time making jokes of him being Agent 47's bro or something.
This is why Desth Stranding is the way it is.
I'm sure, if it wasn't for the staff.. Metal Gear wouldn't be what it is.
Just look at the insipid Death Stranding and all the dumb little ideas that amount to nothing. As well as a lack of memorable content. Metal Gear was a chain of lucky events, and the exact people involved in the project. Just the song choices speak volumes.
@@zombierepublican "You, my Mario... And me... Your Princess Beach."
WOMP WOMP
@Big_Dai strong agree. I also feel kojimas "sucess" got to his head and he strong armed his team to allow more ideas as the series went on. Hence the decline from mgs4 on in games he's involved in.
They got wierder and made less sense right up to ds. and ds 2 is going to be even worse from the trailer.
I love mgs, but I feel kojima gets way too much credit for its success. I guess we'll see how physint ends up years down the line.
@@oll-turny-llo8200 You just don't get it.
man, David Hayter is so cool
The man co-wrote the first X-Men movie. His powers are beyond our understanding
Wow right after Delta showed gameplay, great timing lol!
Would have been interesting if Mark Hamil had played Raiden. I've heard Kojima compare his and Snake's dynamic to Luke Skywalker and Han Solo.
We should be more grateful to the rest of the MGS team for keeping Kojima's more out there ideas in check
David Hayter what a class act. Despite the fact he was moved aside for the mediocre performance of Keifer Sutherland in MGS5 he still does a lot of fan content and never says a bad word about Kojima. His love for the series and its fans shines through. Good man.
he said many a bad word about Kojima though...
Kojima wanted Emma to have period stuff and had the nerve to call his staff childish. He deserves it.@@SaggyWaggy-is8it
Sutherland’s performance wasn’t mediocre at all, you can hate that Hayter was replaced without trashing his replacement. He was clearly passionate about the role and did a great job, and had nothing to do with the firing.
@@Outrack keifer was a bus rider for money. Why do you think he said very little in the game? He sucked and was an inappropriate choice, face it. Kojima just wanted to hang with a star. As soon as his rep allowed it, he traded up from games. All the death stranding stuff supports this too. They kept the original VA for Japanese Snake in that game so why remove your longtime and highly successful American VA? It's hypocrisy.
Ehhh, he had a few things to say about Kojima a few years ago...and with reason, don't get me wrong.
Escape from new york and escape from la is literally just kurt russell being snake. Thanks for all the facts.
This game is a masterpiece and after 25 years there are still secrets and information about it, i've never heard before
10:24 he later reused this idea in MGS4
It was goddamn awful during the Shadow Moses Gekkou fight. Thank goodness it wasn't used for MGS2.
And how it just 94% video
Hideo Kojima, watching Transformers: "I am below the enemy's Scrotum."
Kojima: _I'm going to find a way to put that in a_ Metal Gear _game._
He was supposedly prevented from having ZoE mechas get erections
Kojima, the absolute madman, he comes out as unhinged but the way he's always pushing the limits of what is possible in videogames makes him one of the best developers ever
I like the intro music was super rad, glad they used it instead!
Given Metal Gear and Half-Life are my two favorite shooting series of all time, knowing that Kojima was inspired by Half-Life brings me such gamer joy.
Thank god there’s people there stop Genius Kojumbo going off the rails
Thanks David .. for everything
Again I love how many of these were already discovered, it's just that they weren't translated.
Didnt you share the period one before
The best is yet to come is still my all time favourite game track. Cant believe he almost used some generic existing music instead of it
Peter stillman was actually lifted from the book A New York Trilogy by Paul Auster, similar themes to MGS2, great video!
yessir new facts with david hayter!
I laughed way too hard at 15:18 thank you, David.
I've watched prior videos, and I definitely need more of this content about MGS voiced by David Hayter. Dude can't stop keeping me waiting.
Never knew Kojima was a shrooms eater but makes sense now with the amount of insane cut ideas
I was listening to this while driving, and when I heard about Emma's rejected last words, I laughed so hard I almost drove off a cliff and died, and my last words would have been "KOJIMA KILLED ME!"
Kojima would just descend upon you, save you and your car, then say "Kept you waiting, huh?" and then bound away.
Despite alot of Kojimas ideas running wild in MGS2, the prediction about the information age and A.I was eerily accurate.
pretty sure all of those have been made decades before metal gear, by smarter people than any of us, including kojima.
what is praiseworthy is neatly compiling them and putting them into a digestible format thats very accessible to people.
What a wonderful day! MGS3 trailer and THIS!
I love these narrations from the true Solid Snake himself, David Hayter. Thank you.
And while MGSV will always be Kojima’s Pandora’s box of removed content, MGS2 seems like it’s coming up close on its heels with Kojima’s scrapped plans.
Bro, your videos are gold.
yep all this checks out actually
FR, Mark Hamil probably auditioned for Fatman
I find it funny how most of Kojima's humor is all about the Body and bodily functions
"My childish team doesn't understand me."
it's just highly sophisticated humor many simply dont understand!
Haha poo poo pee pee
Kojima wanting period scenes with Emma is SO GROSS.
I feel like the genderless magician eventually became the part of an idea for Vamp or maybe Fortune
One correction about the names used for Non-Playable Characters. Whilst it's true Kojima found names in a phonebook, the origin of the name Peter Stillman did not come from one. Peter Stillman is an important character in another Paul Auster novel, 'City of Glass', the first book in a trilogy alongside 'The Locked Room', mentioned later in the video.
I absolutely LOVE this series! Thanks David and DidYouKnowGaming!
I love how weird Kojima (and thus Metal Gear) is. He really is a mad genius.
Stuff like this shows the games weren’t just Kojima. Gives me hope in the Konami remakes.
Wow, BadHumans is a well known chatter on OuterHeaven's streams. Im glad he is behind this translations! ❤
Outer Heaven? FOXDIE?
I just want to say thank you to both DYKG and the legend himself David Hayter for doing these videos. It's a little slice of the good times that we need so direly today.
I love those videos I´ll be waiting for MGS3 video :D
David really is the best!
God now I feel bad for MGS2 getting flack because of it featuring Raiden as the protagonist. I can't imagine what Kojima must've felt.
The backlash was INSANE and so disproportionate. And then Kojiima overreacts with jokes about Raikov in MGS3.
Why shouldn't you eat a diary?
Because it might give you diaryha.
I've always wanted to just put Kojima, Suda51, and SWERY in a room together for a month and see what nonsense they come up with.
Yes please
And then Hideki Anno walks in and then the universe implodes on itself.
They’d literally kill each other lol
I think only one would be alive when the door opened. You'd see them covered in blood, they'd look at you and say "This is the game we created together."
I really do love all of these videos and facts. Really do hope the channel starts to explore other games, it’s starting to feel like the same dozen titles or so and I believe seeing some variety would be awesome from a group that does such good research.
always great to hear from dave especially on this channel!
reaaly, reaaly love this, thanks for your hard work