Idk, Littlefinger is dangerously close to the Wall now... Something he does may just aid the dead army in crossing south of the Wall... Ok, I'm taken by this picture Chaos Is A Ladder by ertacaltinoz. Look it up, it's awesome.
Well there's been 7 seasons of talking building up to the battles in Season 8. If this last season just had talking, how fucking upset do you think people would be? It would be a boring conclusion. They have injected more money into this season than any other TV show ever has, and that budget has to be used for the huge set pieces and epic battle sequences. I think the show tied the whole series together nicely with all the political discourse and intrigue leading up to the final awesome confrontations. That was always the plan for Game of Thrones, as along with the show's success, they've been able to go bigger and better each year.
Justaperson building up to epic battles means that characters become dumb and mute? The story isn’t complete once the battles begin. This isn’t a 2hour movie, it’s a series that can afford to incorporate both. Most people who don’t watch GOT don’t watch because they didn’t want to invest several episodes worth of getting to know the characters and the lands. The ones who invested that time want more. it’s still good ,but it’s not all it could be.
There is nothing wrong with CGI and massive battles, especially if they are well done. I prefer it that way in the latter of the show. What's important is those moments in between battles. The dialogue wasn't the same.
Ngl I wonder if they ever have normal conversations. I honestly can't imagine them having one because it always sounds like they are debating their world views even in the most mundane possible reactions to have
What this person thinks is that "Haven't you heard?" justified Illyrio's presence because it labels him as a spy and the source of knowledge from Essos.
Conversations between Varys and Baelish are my favorite scenes in the show. It is probably one of the few instances where the conversation is honest. They know the game and they've been major players of it for years. During these private dialogues, they have too much respect for one another as opponents to even attempt to use false modesty or flatterings that they show others.
Mine as well. Being that Varys is my faviorite GOT character. He and Baelish do share a certain scent of vile characteristics. Yet they both have remained untouched in high council. I think Varys though shall rain supreme in the sense of cunning. He is able to lie and tell the truth in the same sentence. He can make a lie stretch further than some truths.
I haven't read the books but I've already seen the show..do you suggest that I should read the books?? What do u guys think? Is it exactly as the show? ..I made a mistake watching the show first before reading it :/ Anyways, I'd like to know what really is "the game" ?? SPOIL ME PEOPLE
I don't interpret this scene as Littlefinger outsmarting Varys. Varys is a master actor, and while his dismay was probably real, he only let it show on his face to goad LF into continuining his little monologue. He probably wanted to see if LF actually knew anything beyond the fact that he met with Ilyrio.
@@michaelestrada8262 littlefinger won because he doesn’t need to know all the information they have been talking about (Varys and Illyrio) He already as the info he needs to outsmart Varys
@@PraisedEuanB21 Varys should be worried, his plans to put a Targaryen on the Iron Throne could be thwarted, and he cpuld be executed for treason, while Littlefinget could be both Master of Whispers, and Master of Coin, but that would stabilize the growing anger between Robert and Ned, which eventually led to a Ned Jaime dispute, as Ned was leaving the capital, so I guess you are right, Varys didn't need to worry
Tyren Redthunder Worried about what? Being spotted meeting with a foreigner who gave him news to grave importance to the Crown? News Varys relayed without delay. He’s got nothing to worry about from Littlefinger. Now the person he’d actually like to see on the Iron Throne, he would be wise to worry about her...
elienz The closest he's ever been caught, I imagine. There's also the fact that it wouldn't just be him getting caught, but Illiyo as well. His plan may work with one of them dead, but it falls apart if both of them die.
Pablo Perez Its Illyrio, that rich merchant guy who fostered Dany and Viserys in Essos and arranged Dany's marriage to Khal Drogo. If you remember the scene when Arya is chasing cats and ends up in the Red Keep dungeons where the dragon skulls are, she sees Varys and Illyrio talking. Their conversation could get Varys charged with treason maybe. And LF knows it happened, he perhaps even knows some of Varys' plans.
Littlefinger could be the best player if it wasn't for his Achilles heel, which is his great lust for Catelyn and later Sansa, which I think will be his undoing. Varys has the advantage of being asexual, which means he can never be swayed or tempted by lust. He is focused completely on his goals.
vary's own goal of maintaining the balance is his weakness littlefinger apathy to anything but his goals gives even varys a disbelief shock its much harder to maintain than to destroy
Conaill Mac Daid But in pasta's case, the fire and water are separated by a metal medium to prevent them from devouring each other. In this case, that metal medium is the Iron Throne. I think.
When Varys said "strictly speaking". I think that was the only time I've ever heard him snap at someone. He sounded like he was sick of Petry's shit lmao.
I love the fact that Littlefinger often think's he's bested Vary's, only to find out that that he hasn't. Littlefinger may just be the second best player in Westeros, I think it's obvious who is number 1.
Varys is only better at the game cause he has a certain head start, having contacts beyond the Narrow Sea. But I believe in terms of wits they are equal. I don't think Varys would ever take Littlefinger lightly.
Jotus249 Varys isn't stupid enough to take Littlefinger lightly, the opposite isn't quite true as Varys constantly outwits Littlefinger. Littlefinger is good, don't me wrong - but compared to Varys, he isn't an equal.
I don't know.. This scene is quite the opposite of that. Littlefinger showed him he knew of his true allegiance, and that he knew of his friend ship with the Pentoshi. The same one that was helping Dany and his brother and gave her the dragon eggs. It seems to me like Littlefinger has him by the balls with that piece of information, since no one has has any idea what Varys wants up until that point. Not to mention the power plays he's pulling in the past couple of episodes, with the king, new alliances, becoming the lord of the vale and the lord of Harrenhall, as well as secretly having the key to the North by his side. Littlefinger is winning in my opinion.
***** Oh ho. The power plays that Varys has in store for us are well beyond anything that Littlefinger has pulled, and not for narrow self interest. Here Littlefinger thought that he'd pulled out Vary's true allegiance, to the Pentoshi - Magister Illrio who'd been helping the Targeryan heirs. Before Littlefinger could even go beyond making an implied threat with this piece of information, it's shown that Vary's has a well established reason for the meeting - namely informing the King that Dany was with child. Vary's played Littlefinger here. He allowed Littlefinger think that he had something over him... when he didn't.
It's absolutely amazing how till the last moment it feels like varys is losing but at the last moment he turns the tables Unquestionably the smartest man in the series
@@InbredSpanishKingTyrion is the ultimate intellectual. Littlefinger the most cunning. Varys proved to be the smartest , until D&D thought otherwise in the last seasons. All equals in a battle of cerebral weaponry.
I adore the love hate relationship between these two. I seriously want one of these two to win the game. Although at the moment, I'm on Team Baelish, sorry Varys Supporters. Still friends?
The talks between these two were always some of my favourite scenes even now. They don’t bother lying to each other, it’s almost pure honesty between two of the biggest liars in the kingdoms. And I loved it
I always loved this contrast between those two. Littlefinger spreading chaos all over the seven kingdoms and Varys running around trying to gather the ruins. Those two in my opinion are the true players smart, cunning, even diabolic sometimes.
One of the best scenes in the whole show. Was incredible when I first saw it. Imagining these two in the shadows while the high lords play their game of thrones…
Is Varys' last line "haven't you heard?" whilst smiling meant to indicate that he was actually faking and that this news from far away justifies Illyrio's presence in the eyes of the crown? or Simply that he knew something Littlefinger didn't?
sertic1 he knew something littlefinger didn't. The whole scene was an act by Varys. He knows he's smarter than littlefinger and I feel, played him as a pawn when needed this whole time.
Can't help but feel a great deal of this show is about these two characters, influencing the world from the shadows and trying to save it for the good of the realm (Varys) or using its resources to get what you desire, no matter what happens to the realm (Baelish).
I LOVE THIS SCENE! Definitely one of the best scenes in the show and its hilarious as hell! I could watch this over and over and still laugh like I did the first time! They are both definitely some of my favorite characters! XD
I love how they always try to one up each other. It's almost like a game to them. They aren't friends, but they talk like friends, but are strictly professional, but also cunning.
I miss these twos conversations. There is so much going on, when they talk between eachother. Two very smart people, with maybe the deadliest minds in Westeros. They are at the top:)
When Littlefinger says "You do move quietly" I do wish we weren't able to hear Varys' footsteps immediately after, and quite loudly at that. Was it really that difficult to edit that out, I wonder.
Nah varys knew he didn't need to put on a face, in this case he didn't need to hide his footsteps right now. It was really more of a layer as he was pretending to be vulnerable to little finger so he could get info. The loud footsteps after are deliberate... Think about it next time.
The sound of his foot steps(actually "all foot steps in cinema") are added later in post (like cgi.) I watched a RUclips video. There a guy that's a prop manager that was explaining how a lot of this stuff works and the products that they use. He had billiard balls that are muffled to be quieter than normal paper bags, books, and a ton of other stuff. It's been a while since I watched it, so I can't provide a link. So if you're wanting "proof" that I'm not wrong or lying, you'll have to search for it. BUT, back to the original point I was making. Getting rid of the sound of his foot steps would've been as simple as....not putting them in there.
i agree that they ruined them, but then i am wondering if it is not better for them to die. I mean, in GOT, if you cannot keep up a great character, killing him might be the best solution. He wasn't doing anything anymore anyway
Hey hey here i am to answer 5 years later. Many people call the writers dumb and dumber now, but the series didn't decline because they didn't know how to adapt the books, but because they didn't care to anymore. D&D used to be great at adapting the show and to fill the blanks with amazingly written scènes that sounded like they came from the books themselves, but then all of a sudden they lost interest in the source material. Well not all of a sudden. The red wedding came and went, and there wasn't a whole lot after that they were excited to put on the screen. They got offers for a star wars project and liked that a whole lot more. So that's it right? Give got away to other competent writers after season 4 and walk away? Well, no. I said D&D weren't dumb, but they are greedy and arrogant. They wanted FULL credit for writing got, which means to wrap things up as fast as possible. Its not a coincidence that they didn't adapt Aegon, Stannis or the real Euron, that would take time that they didn't have and so they pretend that it didn't exist. Got didn't die because they didn't know how to save it, but because they didn't care to
*translation:* "I'm smarter than you." "No, I'm smarter than YOU." "I'm the only person around here who is smart enough to see you fakely sucking up to everyone in sight, playing every winning side until you end up on the throne." "Oh cuz you're not doing the exact same shit?" "We're friends aren't we? By the way I could get you killed." "I could get you killed even easier."
I did not even realise that LF saw him. In the books Arya saw Varys although she did not know it was him down in the tunnels disguised; he and the man from across the seas (Illyrio) were talking about killing Eddard because Varys was not ready for his big reveal as yet which was for Aegon to take the throne as the rightful king (not being done in the show though), so they had agreed that they have to get rid of Eddard since he appeared to be causing trouble/messing up Varys et al plans. Arya went and told Eddard and that's when he decided he had to leave KL but one Sansa ran and told the Cersei and therein led to his death
lmao this two should have scenes together all time.Best relationship of the entire show.pure entertainment. Littlefinger is awesome.one of best characters ever
Varys and Littlefinger are amongst the two most intelligent characters in the series. Both are exceptionally skilled at the art of deception and render their influence through networks of spies and proficient understandings of how the game is played. Both know the importance of being secretive and Varys in particular is a master of disguise who can essentially disappear whenever necessary. Just having a nice chat about each others treasonous behaviour in the Red Keep's big echoey throne room.
Littlefinger: I thought you might broker a meeting, you know help your fearless leader see the light about his new friend on the council. Varys: And I should tell him, what? Make nice or invest heavily in petroleum jelly? Littlefinger: Hey. His ass, his choice.
The dialogue from then to now is night and day. Show is all spectacle now, these great interchanges with variety in pace, diction, flow and that actually reveal character as opposed to plot have been entirely neglected.
Look at how Baelish turns the tables! He gathers information and he knows when to use it. I think this is the perfect scene to show someone who wants to know what GoT is about. It's a perfect example of the game.
I don't think you understand, its Varys who turns the tables.. Baelish says that he saw Varys talking to someone (Baelish thinks he's giving information to the forigner and that only he has noticed) but at the end when Varys says "Disturbing news from far away, hadn't you heard?" It shows that he was infact getting information from this person and will be sharing it in the small council meeting with the king, so it is in fact Varys who remains on top of Baelish in this scene.
Andrew R Not quite, though. The meeting was the one Arya spied on, and raises some real questions about Varys' loyalty. To call it small council business would be a stretch, however he spun it in this scene.
Skinny vs Fat
Hair vs bald
Pimp vs Eunuch
Chaos vs Order
+highwind8124 As far as absolute evils go? I'd chip in that Ramsay fits the bill. And fucking Thenns...
+Ivan olivas ICE vs FIRE
+RedB Ben quite the other way around. Fire vs Ice.
Idk, Littlefinger is dangerously close to the Wall now... Something he does may just aid the dead army in crossing south of the Wall... Ok, I'm taken by this picture Chaos Is A Ladder by ertacaltinoz. Look it up, it's awesome.
Yes, Ice and Fire refers to Varys and Littlefinger. They are the secret main characters of the entire series
THIS is what's missing from the newer series. no dragons, massive battles, cgi, big heroic music, just two good actors with a brilliant script
Well there's been 7 seasons of talking building up to the battles in Season 8. If this last season just had talking, how fucking upset do you think people would be? It would be a boring conclusion. They have injected more money into this season than any other TV show ever has, and that budget has to be used for the huge set pieces and epic battle sequences. I think the show tied the whole series together nicely with all the political discourse and intrigue leading up to the final awesome confrontations. That was always the plan for Game of Thrones, as along with the show's success, they've been able to go bigger and better each year.
james84 - This is what made me love GOT. Now CGI and action has taken the starring role while characters have taken a back seat.
Justaperson building up to epic battles means that characters become dumb and mute? The story isn’t complete once the battles begin. This isn’t a 2hour movie, it’s a series that can afford to incorporate both. Most people who don’t watch GOT don’t watch because they didn’t want to invest several episodes worth of getting to know the characters and the lands. The ones who invested that time want more. it’s still good ,but it’s not all it could be.
Justaperson careful you’re talking common sense on the internet.
There is nothing wrong with CGI and massive battles, especially if they are well done. I prefer it that way in the latter of the show. What's important is those moments in between battles. The dialogue wasn't the same.
I love Varys and Littlefinger's banter. They are so magnificently bitchy to one another.
They are enemies, but they respect each other.
Second sentence cracks me up
Magnificently bitchy. New band name, called it.
They’re frenemies
Ngl I wonder if they ever have normal conversations. I honestly can't imagine them having one because it always sounds like they are debating their world views even in the most mundane possible reactions to have
Damn it Renly! they weren't done blackmailing each other yet
CountArtha Renly the cockblock
@@reshispaceTDWT not sure there was any cock to block for lord varys
@@tephie159 well if there was Renly would’ve had it in seconds 😂
And their faces when Renly said his brother is attending a small council meeting..
When will he be having his friend
"Saw me with your own eyes?"
"Eyes, I own."
Brilliant response.
Little birds in Westeros and little mice in Essos, tens of thousands of them
''Disturbing news from far away. Havent you heard'' hahahah epic line. Just when baelish thought he had him
Salam A. OWCH! You're out of the loop of things. Sucks doesn't it? ;)
I loved how Varys won the discussion with that line
Right, the knowledge about Varys-Illyrio is information that is unbelievably valueble.
What this person thinks is that "Haven't you heard?" justified Illyrio's presence because it labels him as a spy and the source of knowledge from Essos.
nonstop Well, so does the knowledge that Littlefinger helped the Starks figure out who truly was behind the attempted murder of bran
Conversations between Varys and Baelish are my favorite scenes in the show. It is probably one of the few instances where the conversation is honest. They know the game and they've been major players of it for years. During these private dialogues, they have too much respect for one another as opponents to even attempt to use false modesty or flatterings that they show others.
Mine as well. Being that Varys is my faviorite GOT character. He and Baelish do share a certain scent of vile characteristics. Yet they both have remained untouched in high council. I think Varys though shall rain supreme in the sense of cunning. He is able to lie and tell the truth in the same sentence. He can make a lie stretch further than some truths.
I haven't read the books but I've already seen the show..do you suggest that I should read the books?? What do u guys think? Is it exactly as the show? ..I made a mistake watching the show first before reading it :/
Anyways, I'd like to know what really is "the game" ?? SPOIL ME PEOPLE
Chaos is a ladder is so perfect, in my opinion season 1-3 are the best according to the dialogues.
@magic713m 'dialogues'.
There’s only two. Hard to think those are your only favorite scenes.
It's so witty it hurts.
It hurts even more today. T_T
Now it's "it's so dumb, it hurts"
@@megha9789 exactly lmao
@@VinyZikss It was dumb then too. At least regarding Littlefinger. Show's littlefinger is incredibly transparent.
I don't interpret this scene as Littlefinger outsmarting Varys. Varys is a master actor, and while his dismay was probably real, he only let it show on his face to goad LF into continuining his little monologue. He probably wanted to see if LF actually knew anything beyond the fact that he met with Ilyrio.
It’s very clear at the end that Varys won the banter when they went to the meeting.
@@michaelestrada8262 not really
@@michaelestrada8262 littlefinger won because he doesn’t need to know all the information they have been talking about (Varys and Illyrio)
He already as the info he needs to outsmart Varys
@@michaelestrada8262 What he said wasn’t part of the debate dummy so that was irrelevant to the debate so littlefinger wins
@@afonsosilvestre7626 Ratio
House Varys - "Two Fewer Balls to Kick"
***** Or: 'Two fewer balls to juggle'- because he's a schemer.
CharlemagnePalace "Fear Our Gash"
CharlemagnePalace Stannis is proud of you
"What are you two conspiring about?"
EVERYTHING.
Varys' face when Baelish mentions him meeting Illyrio, the 'foreign dignitary', possibly the only time he looks genuinely worried in the entire show.
He's faking it. He's letting Baelish think that he has him dominated until the very last line.
untill now
It's a ruse.
@@PraisedEuanB21 Varys should be worried, his plans to put a Targaryen on the Iron Throne could be thwarted, and he cpuld be executed for treason, while Littlefinget could be both Master of Whispers, and Master of Coin, but that would stabilize the growing anger between Robert and Ned, which eventually led to a Ned Jaime dispute, as Ned was leaving the capital, so I guess you are right, Varys didn't need to worry
Tyren Redthunder Worried about what? Being spotted meeting with a foreigner who gave him news to grave importance to the Crown? News Varys relayed without delay. He’s got nothing to worry about from Littlefinger. Now the person he’d actually like to see on the Iron Throne, he would be wise to worry about her...
Love how Varys' expression changes when LF mentions the "foreign dignitary".
elienz The closest he's ever been caught, I imagine. There's also the fact that it wouldn't just be him getting caught, but Illiyo as well. His plan may work with one of them dead, but it falls apart if both of them die.
Pablo Perez Its Illyrio, that rich merchant guy who fostered Dany and Viserys in Essos and arranged Dany's marriage to Khal Drogo. If you remember the scene when Arya is chasing cats and ends up in the Red Keep dungeons where the dragon skulls are, she sees Varys and Illyrio talking. Their conversation could get Varys charged with treason maybe. And LF knows it happened, he perhaps even knows some of Varys' plans.
Np man! :)
And i thought it's Young Griff
Was that you under the bed?
supastar ;)
Haha my favorite line
LMAO
😂😂😂
Littlefinger could be the best player if it wasn't for his Achilles heel, which is his great lust for Catelyn and later Sansa, which I think will be his undoing. Varys has the advantage of being asexual, which means he can never be swayed or tempted by lust. He is focused completely on his goals.
vary's own goal of maintaining the balance is his weakness
littlefinger apathy to anything but his goals gives even varys a disbelief shock
its much harder to maintain than to destroy
TheBarbahaba Dude stop speaking nonsense.
***** what the fuck is your problem ? , maybe it doesnt fit to what we know today but at that time it was quite logical
good point you predicted it !
Nicely called that
Imagine if those two teamed up. They would fucking rule.
+Inmate288 They couldn't team up. They're too different in their goals. It'd be like fire teaming up with water.
When i make pasta fire and water team up.
Conaill Mac Daid
But in pasta's case, the fire and water are separated by a metal medium to prevent them from devouring each other. In this case, that metal medium is the Iron Throne. I think.
Ah I see what you mean then^^
Varys knows he could never trust Baelish. And Baelish knows his agenda means that Varys would never help him either.
This is the best damn scene in all of GoT. The wits, the intrigue, the subterfuge and chicanery is off the charts.
"havent you heard?" ☺️
so much wit in under 4 minutes
yeah... :P
I didnt expect anything else when I saw them on the screen
"With your own eyes?"
"Eyes I own"
damn
When Varys said "strictly speaking". I think that was the only time I've ever heard him snap at someone. He sounded like he was sick of Petry's shit lmao.
Well yeah the idea of killing people just to satiate somebody's necrophilia is quite disturbing
@@timpac17 or the mere accommodation of that appetite.
I love it when these two go at it. It's like watching Sherlock Holmes argue with V vendetta
+OptimusProwlGirl Ha! Yes.
Or Dr House with Dr. Sheldon Cooper
“To think, a simple word to the Queen,”
“One shudders at the thought,”
“OoOooOh,”
God dammit Varys was so good
"First boy is on the house"
ahahahaha
Lawrence Bailey LMAO
That was hilarious haha
“Was that you under the bed?” 😂😂😂
I love the fact that Littlefinger often think's he's bested Vary's, only to find out that that he hasn't. Littlefinger may just be the second best player in Westeros, I think it's obvious who is number 1.
Varys is only better at the game cause he has a certain head start, having contacts beyond the Narrow Sea. But I believe in terms of wits they are equal. I don't think Varys would ever take Littlefinger lightly.
Jotus249 Varys isn't stupid enough to take Littlefinger lightly, the opposite isn't quite true as Varys constantly outwits Littlefinger.
Littlefinger is good, don't me wrong - but compared to Varys, he isn't an equal.
I don't know.. This scene is quite the opposite of that.
Littlefinger showed him he knew of his true allegiance, and that he knew of his friend ship with the Pentoshi. The same one that was helping Dany and his brother and gave her the dragon eggs.
It seems to me like Littlefinger has him by the balls with that piece of information, since no one has has any idea what Varys wants up until that point.
Not to mention the power plays he's pulling in the past couple of episodes, with the king, new alliances, becoming the lord of the vale and the lord of Harrenhall, as well as secretly having the key to the North by his side. Littlefinger is winning in my opinion.
***** Oh ho. The power plays that Varys has in store for us are well beyond anything that Littlefinger has pulled, and not for narrow self interest.
Here Littlefinger thought that he'd pulled out Vary's true allegiance, to the Pentoshi - Magister Illrio who'd been helping the Targeryan heirs. Before Littlefinger could even go beyond making an implied threat with this piece of information, it's shown that Vary's has a well established reason for the meeting - namely informing the King that Dany was with child.
Vary's played Littlefinger here. He allowed Littlefinger think that he had something over him... when he didn't.
theonlylampshade Except that Varys was actually conspiring with Illyrio to aid the dragons.
varys and baelish are two of the best shade throwers on this show.
No they are THE two best shade throwers
they're two regina georges >_
Personally, I'm a little more inclined to Varys. Little Finger just gives me the willies -___-
It's absolutely amazing how till the last moment it feels like varys is losing but at the last moment he turns the tables
Unquestionably the smartest man in the series
Tyrion is the smartest buddy
@@InbredSpanishKing I don't know none of them actually pull a successful scheme after season 4.
@@InbredSpanishKingTyrion is the ultimate intellectual. Littlefinger the most cunning. Varys proved to be the smartest , until D&D thought otherwise in the last seasons. All equals in a battle of cerebral weaponry.
This is top 5 one of the best scenes in the entire series. Only dialogue, yet so powerful.
I adore the love hate relationship between these two. I seriously want one of these two to win the game.
Although at the moment, I'm on Team Baelish, sorry Varys Supporters. Still friends?
Bowl of Onions rip
I like to think we're friends... :)
Cynical Bread I would have been equally happy if either won.
Who doesn't like to see their friends fail every now and then?
Team Baelish :)
I LOVE Varys...but seriously..the acting in this show is sublime
One of the best scenes from season 1...two actors on top of their game
The talks between these two were always some of my favourite scenes even now. They don’t bother lying to each other, it’s almost pure honesty between two of the biggest liars in the kingdoms. And I loved it
GOT seasons 1 - 4 was prime television. Genius writing and masterful acting, combined with well written characters.
I always loved this contrast between those two. Littlefinger spreading chaos all over the seven kingdoms and Varys running around trying to gather the ruins. Those two in my opinion are the true players smart, cunning, even diabolic sometimes.
I found these quiet conversations endlessly more entertaining than the giant battles that the series relied upon in the final seasons.
Gods I know this exchange word for word. Such great writing.
One of the best scenes in the whole show. Was incredible when I first saw it. Imagining these two in the shadows while the high lords play their game of thrones…
Is Varys' last line "haven't you heard?" whilst smiling meant to indicate that he was actually faking and that this news from far away justifies Illyrio's presence in the eyes of the crown? or Simply that he knew something Littlefinger didn't?
sertic1 he knew something littlefinger didn't.
The whole scene was an act by Varys.
He knows he's smarter than littlefinger and I feel, played him as a pawn when needed this whole time.
Varys's little 'Haven't you heard?' jab like he's 18 chess moves ahead of Littlefinger while he's playing checkers.
The way Renly interrupts them: Like a boss
The way Varys shudders is wonderful
It’s like their both playing Chess ♟😭
I love the dialogue between Little Finger and Varys, it feels like a chest match: each one of them is trying to outwit each other.
Can't help but feel a great deal of this show is about these two characters, influencing the world from the shadows and trying to save it for the good of the realm (Varys) or using its resources to get what you desire, no matter what happens to the realm (Baelish).
I LOVE THIS SCENE! Definitely one of the best scenes in the show and its hilarious as hell! I could watch this over and over and still laugh like I did the first time! They are both definitely some of my favorite characters! XD
I love how they always try to one up each other. It's almost like a game to them. They aren't friends, but they talk like friends, but are strictly professional, but also cunning.
I miss these twos conversations. There is so much going on, when they talk between eachother. Two very smart people, with maybe the deadliest minds in Westeros. They are at the top:)
"... haven't you heard"?....- the most painful insult.
Hahaha Varys pretends to be caught off guard by Littlefinger's 'gotcha' moment, when he was well aware that Littlefinger knew, and was expecting it.
Varys be winning then little finger be like
But u got no balls tho 💀
When Littlefinger says "You do move quietly" I do wish we weren't able to hear Varys' footsteps immediately after, and quite loudly at that. Was it really that difficult to edit that out, I wonder.
Nah varys knew he didn't need to put on a face, in this case he didn't need to hide his footsteps right now. It was really more of a layer as he was pretending to be vulnerable to little finger so he could get info.
The loud footsteps after are deliberate... Think about it next time.
it wouldn't be a question of editing it out, they would have made an affirmative choice to put it in, as with all foley work.
The sound of his foot steps(actually "all foot steps in cinema") are added later in post (like cgi.)
I watched a RUclips video. There a guy that's a prop manager that was explaining how a lot of this stuff works and the products that they use. He had billiard balls that are muffled to be quieter than normal paper bags, books, and a ton of other stuff. It's been a while since I watched it, so I can't provide a link. So if you're wanting "proof" that I'm not wrong or lying, you'll have to search for it.
BUT, back to the original point I was making. Getting rid of the sound of his foot steps would've been as simple as....not putting them in there.
The grandmasters of the game. These two will collide again in Season 7, I can feel it
I hope so. It would be a shame if either of them died before getting another confrontation/reunion. These 2 on the screen together is gold.
They completely ruined them. Littlefinger is dead. Such a pity. 2 awesome characters and they have wasted them just like that. Fuck you D&D
i agree that they ruined them, but then i am wondering if it is not better for them to die. I mean, in GOT, if you cannot keep up a great character, killing him might be the best solution. He wasn't doing anything anymore anyway
Littlefinger is dead and Varys is "dead". :(
lazy writing killed littlefinger, bad end to a great character
There's more tension here than the entire battle of Winterfell, and it's just two guys battling through innuendo.
omg the competition for who has more info is onnn!!
These two characters were done so dirty.
imagine a guard standing there awkwardly behind listening
Varys was one of my favorite characters. So sly, so clever, such smart dialogue. This is what the later seasons completely lacked.
How much I miss those dialogues...
"was that you under the bed" 💀
I love that neither can hurt the other because they each have too much blackmail lmao
I love these 2
They both played the game so well they don't bother to bs each other
possibly the most intelligent gossip ever.
We were all complaining about the season 7-8 ball and dick jokes being there, but 2 of the greatest varys vs Littlefinger fights starts with them
What the hell happened to this kind of writing? This is completely original material, so it's not just that they had the books to draw from.
George Martin writed script for first 4 seasons, i think.
@@jakubreindl7808 Not all of it. He usually wrote one episode per season (e.g. the Purple Wedding).
Hey hey here i am to answer 5 years later.
Many people call the writers dumb and dumber now, but the series didn't decline because they didn't know how to adapt the books, but because they didn't care to anymore.
D&D used to be great at adapting the show and to fill the blanks with amazingly written scènes that sounded like they came from the books themselves, but then all of a sudden they lost interest in the source material.
Well not all of a sudden. The red wedding came and went, and there wasn't a whole lot after that they were excited to put on the screen. They got offers for a star wars project and liked that a whole lot more.
So that's it right? Give got away to other competent writers after season 4 and walk away? Well, no. I said D&D weren't dumb, but they are greedy and arrogant. They wanted FULL credit for writing got, which means to wrap things up as fast as possible. Its not a coincidence that they didn't adapt Aegon, Stannis or the real Euron, that would take time that they didn't have and so they pretend that it didn't exist. Got didn't die because they didn't know how to save it, but because they didn't care to
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*translation:*
"I'm smarter than you."
"No, I'm smarter than YOU."
"I'm the only person around here who is smart enough to see you fakely sucking up to everyone in sight, playing every winning side until you end up on the throne."
"Oh cuz you're not doing the exact same shit?"
"We're friends aren't we? By the way I could get you killed."
"I could get you killed even easier."
It was an "I saw you" battle lol
They make me laugh I miss them together giving snarky witty comments back and forth
This is like watching Sherlock and Moriarty verbally spar. Man these two are who we should have seen in the final scene.
I love these epic exchanges between the man with the highest voice and the man with the deepest voice.
Pimp vs eunuch
God, the writing back then was as sharp a Valeryan steel
“Do you know I don’t know where they are? Oh, and we had all been so close…”
Sh**, Littlefinger basically tells the viewer who Varys' little birds were in this scene.
I did not even realise that LF saw him. In the books Arya saw Varys although she did not know it was him down in the tunnels disguised; he and the man from across the seas (Illyrio) were talking about killing Eddard because Varys was not ready for his big reveal as yet which was for Aegon to take the throne as the rightful king (not being done in the show though), so they had agreed that they have to get rid of Eddard since he appeared to be causing trouble/messing up Varys et al plans. Arya went and told Eddard and that's when he decided he had to leave KL but one Sansa ran and told the Cersei and therein led to his death
two most underrated character of the show...but I do believe their plans are bigger than anyone's in the show...
oh boy I bet you were disappointed
lmao this two should have scenes together all time.Best relationship of the entire show.pure entertainment.
Littlefinger is awesome.one of best characters ever
These two snarking at each other is just golden :').
Varys and Littlefinger are amongst the two most intelligent characters in the series. Both are exceptionally skilled at the art of deception and render their influence through networks of spies and proficient understandings of how the game is played. Both know the importance of being secretive and Varys in particular is a master of disguise who can essentially disappear whenever necessary.
Just having a nice chat about each others treasonous behaviour in the Red Keep's big echoey throne room.
One of the best scenes of the whole series.
The context knowing that Varys's little birds are mute children adds context to Petyr's jab in the beginning
“Since you last me or since I last saw you?” Lmao I love these guys
One of the best scenes of season 1 IMO
Littlefinger: I thought you might broker a meeting, you know help your fearless leader see the light about his new friend on the council.
Varys: And I should tell him, what? Make nice or invest heavily in petroleum jelly?
Littlefinger: Hey. His ass, his choice.
I love the wire
Get a room, you two...
Everyone misses these clever conversations. They were largely absent in the final seasons.
My fave characters :D
Thanks for uploading!
The dialogue from then to now is night and day. Show is all spectacle now, these great interchanges with variety in pace, diction, flow and that actually reveal character as opposed to plot have been entirely neglected.
D&D wrote this scene too. Strange.
The writing for this scene is soooo good
Varys won this encounter: “disturbing news, from far away…haven’t you heard”
The moment Littlefinger died, the show died too.
Look at how Baelish turns the tables! He gathers information and he knows when to use it.
I think this is the perfect scene to show someone who wants to know what GoT is about. It's a perfect example of the game.
I don't think you understand, its Varys who turns the tables.. Baelish says that he saw Varys talking to someone (Baelish thinks he's giving information to the forigner and that only he has noticed) but at the end when Varys says "Disturbing news from far away, hadn't you heard?" It shows that he was infact getting information from this person and will be sharing it in the small council meeting with the king, so it is in fact Varys who remains on top of Baelish in this scene.
Andrew R That's true, I did miss that when writing the comment.
Andrew R Not quite, though. The meeting was the one Arya spied on, and raises some real questions about Varys' loyalty. To call it small council business would be a stretch, however he spun it in this scene.
Basically they had to make a truce knew too much dirt on each other lmao 😂
The show really went from a clever and rich story to a bad adaption of an anime
Lord varys was so smooth in his delivery, gotta love him. Great actor
"You're breaking the law"
"You too are breaking the law"
I love the last sting Varys gives to Littlefinger. He simply shows he will always be one step ahead and will always be more up to date
Glad to see that Varys is the only one that noticed Petyr Baelish’s corruptive ways.
"The logistics alone..." best line!
amazing scene. Two great actors
"since you last saw me, or since i last saw you?"
Spider is so well written, love how they can say nothing while letting the other know exactly what’s going on.
Lord Varys is a wonderful character and one of my most favourite. I like him even more after watching the last episode.