Italy Expat Life Without Italian Residency (American Expat Schengen Solution)
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Are you dreaming of expat life living in Italy but struggling to obtain residency or have been denied residency? We show you Italy expat life without the need for Italian residency. There's a part time Italian Schengen solution! You can live part-time in Italy and spend 91 days in Albania, then return for another 90 days in Italy. It's the Schengen Shuffle! This way, you can still enjoy an expat life and the beauty of Italy without worrying about residency issues. In this video, we'll show you how to make the most of this unique living arrangement and experience the best of both worlds. So why wait? Start living the Italy expat life Italy dream today and live in Italy without residency.
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Are you dreaming of expat life living in Italy but struggling to obtain residency or facing denial?
Well, we have a solution for you - live part-time in Italy and spend 91 days in Albania, then return for another 90 days in Italy.
This way, you can still enjoy the beautiful culture, cuisine, and lifestyle of Italy without the hassle of residency.
Albania offers stunning landscapes, delicious food, and a unique cultural experience that will surely enrich your life.
And with Americans allowed to stay in Albania for 360 days, you can easily alternate between the two countries. So why wait? Start living the dream of part-time life in Italy and 91 days in Albania today!
Experience the best of both worlds and make unforgettable memories along the way.
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I live in Sicily and was able to get a "Codice Fiscale". I am now working on my residency. I did hire a lawyer who lives in Sicily to help with the paperwork and the endless bureaucracy. Trying to go it alone and get your residency is not recommended as you will be subject to whatever rules of the day they (Comune) decide they want to follow or not follow. An attorney helps especially in these cases. If you think US government workers are slow and awful, you have a whole other thing to experience with Italian government workers. Best of luck
We had interest in residency in Italy. After speaking with a lot of people including an attorney whom we did a video with in February, we decided the rules for Italy were too vague and complicated. This is why we feel this type of shuffle whether it is Italy or France or Germany etc is a great solution. Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoy Sicily. We just spent our winter there and loved it.
@@WarrenJulieTravel , Try Spain for your residency, which I am doing at the moment in the canaries.
Thank you for this information!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching us.
Very good info I didn't get anywhere else. You are the 1st to explain 90 days only to entire Schengen area. I was led to believe I could do 90 in Italy, 90 in Switzerland, 90 in Portugal. Thank you for clearing that up. I'm subscribed to your channel now.
Thank you so much for this comment! We have tried for over three years to show this in our videos. We appreciate you watching us.😃
Yep nope in the Shengen zone, then you can leave to other European country adn come back.
Great video and excellent
advice! Thank you
I'm glad you found the video helpful! Thanks for watching us!
Helpful information, thank you! 😃
You are very welcome! Thanks for watching us.
A very informative video today giving me food for thought. Thank you.
You are so welcome! 🤗
🏆 Well done guys, brilliantly explained & stunning footage (love that bluetiful water)!! Y'all have certainly put Albania on my radar & represented her very well 🙌
Our pleasure! Thank you for watching us 😊
Great video! I think somebody wants to go to France 😊
Americans seem so obsessed with buying a house. It doesn’t make any sense in a country where you can’t even get residency to tie your money up there. Plus you would then feel obligated to return to the same place all the time. Renting gives you way more options.
Lol, I simply said France because I know there are probably so many people that think of France when they think of the word, Europe. Not to mention, one of my best friends is French. We own a home in Montenegro. Renting has its pros and cons. Thanks for watching us.
@@WarrenJulieTravel They were talking about home purchase. why not rent?
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching us.
I used to do this with Romania before it became part of the Schengen zone. I rented a studio apartment in Bucharest long-term, stayed 3 months and then had friends or family members stay as I traveled to nearby countries for 3 months. They were happy to have a furnished apartment ready for them (and pay the rent), and I had someone looking after my place when I was gone. I'm considering doing this again in Albania if I can find the right spot.
That was a great plan. I hope Albania works out well for you.
I have a home vacant on the coast from mid October to end of April, in Hythe Kent, UK for those trying to avoid Schengen.
Good job keeping up with the Schengen states!
Thank you! We certainly try. Our lives have revolved around it for over three years.
Good to know, and add to a back-up plan.
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Excellent overview … I did my Schengen shuffle out of Italy in Albania … 3 months … and loved it. Wonderful country … the people, food, wine, Raki, history, natural beauty, hiking, beaches, seafood … everything … if I had not succeeded in obtaining my Italian residency, I was fully set to live half the year in Albania !!
Now I will be going there on holiday from Italy anyway … 🎉
That sounds like a beautiful life!! Thank you for sharing this. 😊
I like this idea, although id prefer to winter in albania, and spend the autumn and spring in southern italy with the summer spent travelling in asia. this way, u avoid the crowds and get the best bang for yr buck
I think both options are great in their own way. We really enjoyed the weather in Sicily this winter.
How is winter in Albania, when I google it came out as bitter cold, is it true?
So glad you're on YT! Fully encouraged now. Will go to Albania in mid-Oct for a month or so. Torn between Tirana and Shkodër. Which would you pick?
I would suggest Tiranë. Thank you for watching us!
My husband and I will be heading there too for a month, hope to meet u there lol. we are on slow travel too, I wonder whether they have Pickleball there?
We do the Schengen shuffle. We have family in Italy and like to spend Spring and Fall in the EU. Winters in SE Asia and Summers visiting family in the US or touring in Mexico. If you plan your flights ahead of time, you can take advantage of the deals so it doesn't cost that much to move around.
That sounds like an excellent Schengen shuffle. We have been doing it for three years and we love it. 😊
As someone who bought a home in Italy - not a 1 euro home - and have residency, my biggest tip would be DO NOT buy if you are not able to get residency. Just rent. Way more economical and low maintenance option
Thank you for sharing that and for watching us!
Your map of the Schengen Zone showed Romania and Bulgaria as Schengen members. Given that they only barely joined two days ago -- only for "air Schengen" -- that's really up-to-date.
Your video didn't match what I expected from the title. I expected something like "DO THIS VISA FOR ITALY" but instead it was about shuffling between Schengen and non-Schengen. It's interesting to learn that Albania has an easy-to-get long-term stay visa.
My goal is staying in Romania, and for that purpose I have a permis de sedere under the Digital Nomad rule. It was relatively easy to get and so far have renewed it three times.
We follow the Schengen shuffle very closely, so yes, our maps are very up to date. We have been doing this for three years.
We did a video with an attorney in Italy regarding residency in Italy in January. We had hoped to get very clear information about the process, but it’s very vague and complicated.
Happy Easter ✝️
Great breakdown. We were thinking of buying a 2 bedroom property in the heel of Italy. Somewhere in the historic downtown of a smaller town.
Renting it out during the time we do the shuffle. 💰
Didn't know one could buy a house without residency in Albania too.🤔
Could a person set up a similar business like you did to register a vehicle in Bulgaria, but do it in Albania? 🤔💡🌞
Same to you 👍
@@WarrenJulieTravel You are quick. 😆 👍
@@livingworkingoutsidebox sitting at a table with a lot of people too. Multi tasking
@@WarrenJulieTravel Did you see my first comment question?
Good video, but not entirely correct. There are countries in Schengen that allow to you to stay in the zone beyond 90 days, without a visa,. You can find these countries by researching bilateral agreements. Cheers
Fully aware of those, you may be able to fly out of that country. Don’t try and use a Polish bilateral agreement and pass out of Schengen through Hungary into Serbia as an example, or get in trouble if outside of that country and still in Schengen. We covered those briefly before, they are best when used as intended to stay in one country, and best to leave by air if the country doesn’t have a land border outside of Schengen. Poland was a good one until the Ukraine war.
@@WarrenJulieTravelHi, can you list these other countries besides Poland?
@@cheriemiller669 Visa Waiver Bilateral Agreements Between the US and EU Member States
Citizens of the United States can take advantage of bilateral visa-waiver agreements with several European Union countries in the Schengen Area. These agreements allow US passport holders to stay for a specified period beyond the standard 90-day Schengen limit.
Nations with bilateral visa-waiver agreements with the US are listed below, along with the maximum permitted length of stay in each case:
Belgium (3 months)
Denmark (3 months)
Italy (3 months)
Hungary (90 days)*
Portugal (60 days)*
Spain (90 days)*
France (90 days)
Latvia (90 days in half a year)*
The Netherlands (90 days)*
Schengen-associated country with a bilateral visa-waiver agreement: Norway (90 days)
*Only ordinary passports are permitted.
US passport holders who take advantage of one of these visa-waiver agreements are required to exit the Schengen Area from that EU nation. It is required that the traveler fly directly to a third-country or transit in a non-Schengen airport, on departure. It is not possible to move freely around Europe under the bilateral agreements, so travelers are required to remain in that particular EU member state. Bilateral agreements between the United States and European Union member states are subject to change.
cibtvisas.com/etias-requirements-americans#:~:text=Citizens%20of%20the%20United%20States,standard%2090%2Dday%20Schengen%20limit.
@@WarrenJulieTravel I was unfamiliar with this option, thank y'all!! If I'm understanding it correctly, for example, you can spend 90 days around Schengen, THEN go to France & spend up to ANOTHER 90 days, then cross the Chunnel to UK?? 😲
No, France is a pa@@BasicAmericanDadAbroad- no, France is part of the Schengen, so that would be overstaying.
Since Albania allows US citizens to stay for up to 1 year on entry, do they expect American citizens to have a return ticket on arrival? Since the intention could be to stay 1 year, it may not be possible to know upfront dates of return or airlines may not return issue tickets that far out. Given this scenario, is it possible to arrive with a 1 way ticket into Tirana and not cause any concern with immigration at the airport? If asked, can we tell them that we plan to buy a ticket out of the country closer to the expiration of our visas/near the end of the year. Thanks.
We have not heard of anyone here needing a return ticket presented upon arrival. It is most important that you exit within the 360 days and you leave for a full 90 days before being allowed back in for yet another 360 days.
@@WarrenJulieTravel Thank you for your input.
The same for Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, and Moldova, etc... Even Russia ... you can stay outside of Schengen Zone but still inside Europe
Yes, we have been doing this for several years. We own a home in Montenegro. Serbia is one of our favorites too.
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Thanks for watching:)
So technically you could stay a month in Albania and a month in Italy, and repeat that with all the other countries in the zone if you wanted to travel all year.
As long as you observe the rules of the Schengen. 90/180. We use 88 days to ensure we don’t overstay.
But if you stagger it, you can technically do it the way I described? You don't have to stay out for 90 continuous days, correct?
The main problem with doing it by a month at a time is that the day in and day out count for a day in each country. You would actually have to spend an additional three days outside of the zone to maintain your 90 in 90 out. One of the reasons why we mention Albania is you can do 91 days there and then come back for a fresh 90 days without having to involve a third country.
Another excellent and informative video, Warren & Julie! We are considering starting a Nomad Traveling Lifestyle. After our first 6 months in Ukraine, Poland, and Estonia, our next plan is to visit non-Schengen countries Albania, Montenegro, and Turkey. Do you think these countries deserve equal consideration, one month each, in Aug-Sep-Oct? After 90 days in non-Schengen, on to Italy, France, and Spain. Thanks! Dean & Cindy
We definitely think they are all excellent options. We have videos on all of them. We enjoyed our time in Lviv. I hope to return someday. Poland is amazing and Estonia is on our must see list.
We love Turkey and Montenegro. Each country has their own unique and special distinction.
Ukraine is at war. Doesn’t seem like a vacation option.
Sadly not right now.
@@WarrenJulieTravel Understood. Thanks!
@@WarrenJulieTravel Thank you for the informative videos! We too enjoyed our time in Lviv. Rostyslav was very helpful. Poland was generous and historic. Estonia was reaffirming that intelligence and compassion are normal human traits. We wish to see Tallinn in warm weather!! Now that we are 66+YO, warm weather is more appealing than snow drifts and bone-chilling freezing wet wind. Perhaps bc I grew up in LA/BH/Santa Monica/Orange County I am drawn to palm trees and ocean breezes. Thanks again!
I have yet to see an independently audited monthly spending account for travelling by bloggers. So many bloggers say its cheap but i have never seen the same .
I have spreadsheet that are quite detailed, so I am not sure what you mean. I am certainly not planning to pay someone to audit my accounts. We detail absolutely everything in these sheets.
Nice tip, thanks! All other countries around Albania could be consider for the same reason, is it right Why do you recommend Albania and not Macedonia for example?
We own a home in the non Schengen country of Montenegro currently, which allows 90 days every 180, like Macedonia, Bosnia and Serbia, but Albania lets an American stay 360 days as a tourist before having to leave for 90 days. Since the exit day and entrance day count for both countries you actually need to spend at least a full day in another country so 91 days in Albania is ideal. Also it’s only one border if going by ferry.
@@WarrenJulieTravel thanks for clarifying- makes perfect sense for people living in Italy. I plan to move to Bulgaria. Macedonia and Serbia are closest borders. I need to check length of stay in those countries for americans.
@@fedorilkov2998 Sorry. Bulgaria just joined Schengen and you will have to take it off your list.
@@fedorilkov2998 90 every 180 days
@cookmaster3626 I was planning to apply for visa D as a retiree. And with the tax situation you explained in other replies, it doesn't look as attractive anymore. I'll check with other Americans living in Bulgaria.
Is it difficult to travel with you doggies? Are they welcomed? Thank you!
We have really been shocked how amazingly pet friendly Saranda has been. Vlore was also pet friendly for us in January and though it is certainly not the pet friendly level of Italy, we have been allowed to sit outside on the terrace etc in all places we have asked. Yesterday, we sat inside of a beautiful restaurant just outside of Saranda after a doggie playdate with about 7 dogs and 1 cat that was placed in a bag. It was an enclosed outside area of the restaurant but was still a very upscale place to eat.
Traveling with our pups has its challenges, but I would not say it is difficult. We have to be a bit more prepared than a person who is not traveling. Thanks for watching us:)
I notice you have pets. Is it hard to shuffle with them? I have a 15 year old dog in the U.S. and worry about him doing that.🐶
Our little Katie is 13 years old and is doing just fine with the shuffle. I think she enjoys seeing all of the new places. She is a great traveler.
Thanks very much for sharing.
Interesting observations!
In a future not so far away, you can have all the old colonials to yourself as, we - the Europeans - will have left!!
Schengen is - for the majority of Europeans - by now, almost a copy of the "good" old European KZ-camps 😪
So extremely sad for us who are from here... (Europe never changes I'm afraid)
This aside, I agree, Italy as most of the other Southern European countries, are wonderful but, with the Schengen camps, we stay far away..so, so sad 😪
Anyway, a split between Albania and Italy sounds good and, the locals there are so lovely..
Enjoy and, let's hope even old Europe one day, will be really open for the human race - hope is green 💚
You are welcome! Thanks for watching us.
this is a good way of complying with the 90 days rule. But sounds like a hussle. Are you living this way for last 10 years? Or you are applying for residency in one of Schengen country? Is it true that if i get residency on one of the Schengen countries i can live indefinitely in another? If it is, then question which Schengen country easiest and fastest to get residency? Sorry for so many questions... your video made me thinking..😅 Usually i'm not thinking, just dreaming😁
I am not an expert but with what little I have gathered here below is my comment.
For long term temp stay there are Non lucrative visa (Not allowed to work- must have higher passive income proof) that allows you to stay up to a year with renewable options if I am correct in Spain, Italy, France etc., and not sure how the tax situation plays in.
There are ways to get a permanent residency in certain Schengen country fairly easy as an example easiest being Portugal with a D7 visa, whose requirements are very minimal. An average Soc Sec income earning couple ($1600/pm) or single SS earner earning $1000 plus per month will qualify. The problem though with getting a residency in a Schengen country is you will become a tax resident of that country and will be subject to higher than US tax rates. For someone with a bare min soc Sec or marginal income from US, it is unaffordable to live in US, but then have a nicer lifestyle in a lower cost region of Schengen and the tax situation becomes a mute point . The style of living over rides the minimal tax impact as your gross income is low. There are many US retirees who want to do it and in many cases where incomes are higher (SS + 401 K savings / RMD + personal passive incomes), the tax @ 40-50% rates become prohibitive to pay. So their objective is to play the Schengen shuffle game switching between the two zones and not deal with the Tax residency issues. Portugal had a great plan in their D7 visa with a flat 10% NHR tax rule for 10 years that was attractive and recently withdrew that. I was almost getting ready to do it when the rules changed and had to cancel it. With my financial situation it will be prohibitive to throw half my passive retirement income in taxes to a foreign country. I am therefore considering buying a condo in lower cost region of Spain and in Albania and call it a place of my own with all the essentials equipped. So this is one way to have 2 places in Schengen and non Schengen zone and shuttle between them and beat the game still enjoying the fine life in Europe. Bulgaria and Romania were two more quite affordable and got gobbled up by Schengen. Nothing in life comes easy and you can call this a minor inconvenience while enjoying a higher quality of life. If any info above i mentioned is incorrect please feel free to comment.
We slow travel full time with our two dogs. We started 4 years ago. We may eventually seek a residency, but right now we are happy doing what we call the Schengen shuffle.
@cookmaster3626 Thanks much for the details and insights!! Especially I'm puzzled by the tax situation. Are you saying that if I don't have a residency in any other country besides the US, I'm paying one tax. And with residency outside US, I'll pat two taxes? That's bad. Is there a tax agreement with any of Schengen countries and US?
@@fedorilkov2998 - In answer to your question YES. If you are just a US citizen only, and not a resident of any other country you only pay US taxes. Uncle Sam wants you to pay taxes on all worldwide income. As an eg: You may have say investments in a foreign country. Whatever income you earn there, you HAVE to report that income in your US tax filing. At the same time, the foreign country where your investment is located, may deduct certain amount of Tax from that income as tax deducted at source. Since US has a dual taxation agreement with many countries (easily more than 50 plus), at the end of the day you will be taxed only by one country and not BOTH. With the countries in this agreement, Uncle Sam can request from the partner country if you had any income base on your SS #. When you invest in these partner countries since you are a foreigner, they ask your SS # and it goes into the data base. So trying to not disclose the foreign earned income if found can bite you. Any investment by a US citizen exceeding $10K requires mandatory FATCA, FBAR filing. In the example I mentioned above, the tax with held on your foreign investment can be claimed as a Tax rebate. If say you take up the residency in Portugal with a D7 visa, then you become a Tax entity of Portugal also, and you will be filing the Tax return in both countries. Every foreign country has its own rules on what they consider as income for their Taxation purposes. Uncle Sam wants everything from every where, where as other countries may waive certain income from foreign sources and that is country specific. Its a touchy subject, and only for the experts on whose tax you pay- the less of the two countries or the one that seeks that is favorable to them. With all these unknowns, unless you yourself have an experience you don't know what you are in for. Especially if you have a good income in retirement, you wouldn't want to mess with another tax regime. Hence apparently people seek the Schengen Shuffle.
@@cookmaster3626 thanks for details! This is a lot to deal with, if you have income abroad, like you described. If i only getting my SS from US to live on abroad and some savings in IRA i'm getting complementary income, all from US. Would i be taxed in the country i reside? or just pay to uncle Sam?
not only Albania but Montenegro , Bosnia , Serbia and Makedonia are not a members of shengen zone,
True, but only Albania allows Americans the 360 day stay though, the other countries are 90 in every 180 days.
@@WarrenJulieTravel .. very true too ,
Lol --- WHAT? This is so silly. The solution to living in Italy permanently is "live in Italy 6 months a year". Six months is not a short time, why on earth go to Albania instead of just going to the non-European country that you prefer whether it is Japan or Argentina? 6 months a year is a lot of life to invest in a location you aren't passionately in love with, really. Albania would make a lot more sense if you had to wait out 1 week or something, not for waiting out a 90 day period ;))
Albania allows for a 360 day stay. Most others are just 90 days every 180. The in and out day count as the same day for the country you leave and enter unless you can change in transit. So you probably need a 91 day stay or include a day trip to another third country in the 90 day group.
I won't vote for any US politician who isn't single mindedly focused on ending European 90 day visa nonsense for Americans
In the US our politicians have a hard time changing our own century old rules and laws that don't apply in the modern day era. You think our politicians have the power to change the European Schengen rules?. US needs to revisit our Visa issuance and term rules and make them the same as the host countries, like limit an European traveler to a max 90 days in a 180 day period and see how that works. make the rules for Entry to US reciprocal to the host country.
I really don’t think that the US politicians have any say in this matter.