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"JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE" Timeline - How Long After Justice League Unlimited?
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"Justice League vs the Fatal Five" is our newest addition to the DC Animated Universe, and a continuation of "Justice League Unlimited." So...just how long after the show does it take place?
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Bruce Timm is definitely the Akira Toriyama of the DCAU. Constantly flubs timeline placements, gives wrong info, plotholes etc. But is hailed as the “all seeing all knowing” of the property world because he created it.
If we get justice league unlimited season 4 I hope superman finally tells Lois he’s superman because he has been avoiding that for yeaaaaaars
That's one of the biggest head-scratchers I've had after watching "Superman: The Animated Series", you'd think after nearly three seasons without Clark fessing up that those making the show were saving it for the finale with Superman's (seemingly) final confrontation with Darkseid, with Clark considering the possibility that he may never come back from that and Lois would never know the truth about him or his feelings after how close they've grown, or that after he defeated him he was lucky to be alive and should make the most of that upon returning to Earth by confessing to Lois and trusting her with his secret, yet for some reason neither option seemed to cross anyone's mind before the show ended.
In short: Should we get anything new (be it another show or movie) in the DCAU after JL vs FF that features both Supes and Lois (with Dana Delany reprising the role), this long overdue moment definitely needs to happen (or at least be confirmed to have happened at some point prior).
I keep forgetting that that never happened in the DCAU
doesn't superman unbound and superman ve the elites count as for being in the dcau timeline? superman vs does take place right after superman the animated series and jlu...idk
@@maymay5600 no those don't count
He already told her he was Superman all the way back in Superman: The Animated Series. She didn't believe him.
Probably shorter than it takes Watchtower Database to make that Teen Titans video
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Watch till the end of the video
You made james mad again
@@dcauwatchtower I am making a fan edit of the DCAU are you interested? Also seeing as U guys are good at drawing the DCAU characters U should make Legacies (your comics) into one big animated movie (maybe your next movie after ViReality or whatever it was called)
That image of balding Nightwing's gonna be sticking around in my noggin for a while...
You should see the original Robin actor now.
I flinched at that!
I prefer his Batman Beyond 2.0 look.
Okay, but what if Miss Martian was just saying that Robin USED TO BE a teenager and work alongside Batman, not that he CURRENTLY IS a teenager working alongside Batman.
Still, if the events of the ROTJ (Return of the Joker) flashback had already happened, I think Batman's reaction would be less "Point taken", and more like "DON'T REMIND ME OF THAT!"
@@infinityalbi9840 Yeah, but I thought the idea here was Robin's supposed to be like 21 by the time of the RotJ flashback. So he could still be like 20 in Fatal Five or something. I don't know.
I was gonna say the same thing regarding Miss Martian possibly saying that Batman used to work with teenagers. After all, at this point he'd already worked with 2 of them (Dick and Tim).
It definitely is possible! That’s why the 2 other timeline possibilities are still technically “the real answer” as well, until we have other evidence besides Tim to narrow it down even further.
There's just too much shit crammed in before the flashback of RotJ for it to make sense. I firmly believe the flashback had to take place between JL and JLU at latest for Robin to still be young. Otherwise we're saying TNBA, JL and JLU all happened within a couple years, which is not fun to me to compress the timeline that way.
3.57: By the way, the name Zeta came out in the latest episode of Arrow in flashforward.
3:57
@@epsilon7707Many thanks.
18:18 that guy worked on the movie?!
He'd liked a bunch of my tweets about Justice League vs the Fatal Five
18:08 should be the correct timestamp.
I’d like to see a version of the DC universe where events happen in “real” time.
Superman Debuts in 1938, Batman in 1939, the JSA in the 40s, the JLA in the 50’s
Atlantis, Themyscera and the Green Lantern Corps etc etc...
The Teen Titans in the 1970s
The Dark Knight Returns in the mid 80’s and such
Possibly Batman Beyond in 1999 taking over the cowl, or Damien Wayne taking a similar role.
Blackest Night in 2009-2010
You get it. It’s like a catch all history that spans decades and all fits together.
But today (2020 as of this comment) we could have New events, new characters, a universe that changes over time, happening at the same time as our own.
Similar to the 2000AD/Judge Dredd universe
I think that would be cool
The story called “Superman and Batman generations” is sort of what you’re asking for
Michael Rhett I just looked into it because I’ve never heard of that before, and from what I can tell it’s a similar idea, yeah. I’ll have to give it a read. Though I would love a universe of the DC’s multiverse that is completely independent from comic-book time. Where all of DC’s history is history, and now in the modern day we have new heroes that battle contemporary issues, with characters that can age and grow, stories that always evolve, with room for in depth story telling... and pew-pew-laser-blast-punchy-punch spandex fights... gotta have those. Thank you for the recommendation btw
Numbskull2602 you’re welcome
So basically a DC equivalent to ‘Spider-Man: Life Story’?
Sort of like spiderman life story
Damn the production quality just keeps getting better with every single episode.
So...Miss Martian and Jessica Cruze are in the DCAU BEFORE their first comic appearance?
So this is like a reverse Harley Quinn situation?
Isn’t every DCAU character a reverse Harley Quinn situation?
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LoL. From a ceratain point of view, yes that is true. Haha.
However, by "reverse harley quinn", i meant created after the show, but eventually being used in screen.
Neither charecter existed when JLU was on the air. Harley never existed in the comics* before being created for the show.
*except for the name Harlequin the name given to Dula Dent in Teen Titan comics.
They were both in the comics before the movie
Shout out to the production in this episode 🙌🏼
You know, I really mean it when I say that you are really funny. The typ of Comedy you are useing is amazing. The timeing of jokes and the way you present them is perfect. you have a great feel for that but at the same time it seems to be very organic! very good. you are great and very funny!
I've been a fan of his comedy and timing for a while now. It's just my style. Even the finding the trees already being put together was perfect, because that would be my exact reaction. :)
This guy isnt funny.
@@alexkanatzidis you isn't funny
Yeah this video is hilarious
I’m just glad that we get to see Robin next to Batman’s JLU design.
Surprised you guys don't use Google Slides for Notes. It's the most straight forward in my opinion.
Yes finally what we have all been waiting for! Love your guys stuff I hope you never stop
Just finished the video and thanks again guys! I look forward to more soon!
The skits in these are getting better and better along with the whole video being solid as always. Good job lads!
the Return Of The Joker flashback scene is also the cutoff for Harley being known to still be alive too.
Isnt she in an episode of Batman beyond or am I tripping
Though the pack in comics was in development in 1981, and the toys finalized that same year, it was February of 1982 that MOTU was introduced to the public either at the Toyfare tradeshow or early release of He-Man, Skeletor and Battle at. They wouldn't be popularized untill Filmation's cartoon which hit airwaves in late 1983.
(Bonus fact for those who don't know, this is where Bruce Time started his career working for Filmation's on He-Man and freelancefor Mattel on He-Man, mostly in mini comis and some packaging art.)
sadly, we'll never get another DCAU film involving Bruce Wayne's Batman as Kevin Conroy has passed away. May he forever R.I.P.
I always get the sense that Bruce Timm is really annoyed by the DCAU/comic book fandom in general. In interviews he often comes across like he doesn’t particularly want to be there (even in interviews for things like The Killing Joke before it got all of its negative reception.:.). And then, of course, we see how he gets when asked about the DCAU in basically any capacity. It’s kinda a shame, but Instill respect him immensely. I just wish he could come across a little more friendly.
You guys are really good with these types of videos. Can't imagine the work it implies looking up for these clues of the timeline.
Entertaining as always
3.10: 50 years later from Original BTAS maybe since it was in 90's. In this case Epilogue in 65 years from now could be refference to BTAS too which is "now" for those who just started watching BTAS.
3:10
Precisely how I interpreted said timelines, this.
Well done bois! Now I need
GLTAS WILL IT CANON
RE CRISIS ON TWO EARTHS WILL IT CANON
BTAS WILL IT CANON
MATTIE WILL IT CANON
TED WILL IT CANON
LEGACIES WILL IT CANON
AND TWO PIZZAS
...and a large soda!
I know it was a joke
I love that this channel exists.
Luv your guys humor u put in b these videos sorry I didn't watch this sooner but u posted this like at 4:00 in the morning where I am at
I just met Kevin Conroy at comic con
Thanks guys you just made my day better.
I really hope we get a near apocalypse of "09" movie cause that would be the best
We’ll be exploring that in our webcomic down the road: legaciesdcau.com
@@dcauwatchtowerSpeaking of which, how's the webcomic coming along concurrently?
Lol these videos always make me happy
I want a DCAU Suicide Squad film set after "Task Force X".
Great video guys
Remember kids #DontSpoilTheEpilogue (?
Manu Ortiz #keepEpilogueasecret
#SpoilTheEndgame
3:13 This is all well and good, but where I disagree with making a timeline is when the little problems and things that are bound to exist decanonize things like the last issue of Batman Adventures vol 2.
Other than that, though, it is a lot of fun and can help us understand the universe more.
R.I.P Dwen MCDofy you will be miss since he the guy behind Justice League,Justice League Unlimited,Ben 10 and Ben 10 Alien force! They should do a Ben 10 and DCAU crossover to honor him or a Tiny Toon adventures,Animianics,Freakazoid(Dexter Douglas) and Pinky and Brain and Justice League crossover since those cartoon were created by Paul dini and Bruce Timm!
I don't think Bruce Timm would agree. Freakazoid was not the show he wanted to make. Although Freakazoid and the Creeper teaming-up to stop The Lobe and Ra's al Ghoul would be boss. I'll let you put two-and-two together as to why I picked those particular villains in the same basket.
As a person from Portland Oregon, growing up watching DCAU. This was trippy. As a kid, I always thought the characters were real and dreamed they'd come to Portland so I could meet them. Imagine me watching this movie realizing I could unknowingly be a background character here. I could have a counterpart in the DCAU. Pretty exciting.
Particularly if you research Portland, actual superheroes exist here, Gaurdian Shield, Zeta-Man, the King, etc. Imagine if they all have counterparts.
Yeah! I grew up about 2 hours from Portland, so it was definitely wild to hear Kevin Conroy’s Batman say “Portland, Oregon.”
Crisis was based on crisis on two earths. It’s an awesome story. I didn’t know the studio interferes. Great video
Another great timeline video! Sorry it took me long to comment on this video. So when are you going to do your Batman and Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero and Superman: The Animated Series timeline videos? So far, those are the ones I am looking forward to.
It's fun to watch these out of order and then seeing the missing gaps in episodes I've already seen. "Oh, that's Cyber James sending the error messages!"
I guess placing Far From Home earliest makes sense as the Fatal Five were weaker and it could be explained that they somehow got a power boost but the time travel technology has seriously regressed.
the extra bridges thing actually makes sense, assuming the DCAU world is layed out with the same map as the DC prime universe it's cannon (site:JLA/Avengers) that the earth in the dc universe is actually slightly larger then the real world earth resulting in alot of citys having extra buildings and in this case bridges.
I just watched for the first time Justice League vs the fatal five and OMG it's so good !
This was a good thing to wake up to
Oh boy yeah!
Oh boy yeah, what?
BattleUp Saber I was Excited to watch the video
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Wowow! this was such a informative video, I have never noticed the timeline before.
Thanks for the upload.
Clock chimes in the background of a timeline video?
Poetic cinema
91939
Batman's unlock code from the episode "A Better World"
WHAT DOES IT MEEEEANNNNN
4 minutes. Holy balls.
The date of the first batman comic
With how good these videos look surprised more nerds don’t watch them
Loved it, thanks for making the video!!!
WoW! You are a huge nerd!😊
I like it & you've earned my sub!
Excellent!😈
I just want to say that this video helped explain SO MUCH!!! Thank you for explaining when Justice League vs The Fatal Five takes place!!!
After seeing that how old is Batman video I want to see how old is Superman
Take a shot every time he says the word time
I am not the biggest Legion of Superheroes fan, but I thought this movie did a great job making the Fatal Five compelling antagonists.
Anyway great video. This is me, feeding the algorithm.
I miss Portland Oregon. Cool that my home town, (and by extension myself) to be canon to the DCAU.
.....just came here from young justice new season thats of ep 25 ( S4)....
Which maybe more confusing but I just wanted to recap this movie & timeline & other Concepts....
Well, the DCAU is a place where human space stations near Jupiter and Saturn exist, so 22 bridges in Portland at the pre-2010 era makes sense in some regard.
Anyways, watching this to conquer boredom, though I won't be watching the movie to finish up my personal DCAU long binge. "Epilogue" is still the better endgame point, with "Destroyer" before it.
3:09: He's still sorta right. You could say Batman Beyond (minus "Epilogue") ends at 2042, 50 years after the start of B: TAS via the year 1992.
9:20: You should see Civvie 11 and his descriptions of John Carmack.
Shame we didn't get those prequel tie-in comics. The appearances of Ms. Martian, Jessica Cruz, and Star Boy beg many questions.
14:28: The possibility that, if this happened in the DCAU, these heroes would have been familiar Batman allies Zatanna, Etrigan, the Creeper, Static, and maybe even Gear also stands.
I can actually believe that the DCAU Power Ring truly died in the Worlds Collide take that we never got to see. Question, is, who and what offed him, and how and why'd his ring transfer itself to Jessica?
Can agree that the movie should be after "Far From Home".
19:40-19:44: NON-CANON!!!
20:01: Isn't Harley and Ivy actually set during the TNBA/Gotham Adventures tenure due to Bats wearing the Batsuit of that era, or am I misremembering?
20:07: Isn't this set on 2003?
Might wanna check out
21:55: What about John Stewart going from hairy head to bald with goatee?
22:05: I still would prefer his grizzled Batman Beyond 2.0 look.
Don't mind me, just waiting for a Flash DCAU movie
Love this channel straight subscribed 😂💯👍 I really hope Bruce timm is low key about to do another series like a new Batman one how about Batman and the signal taking place before Batman beyond good video
I still have a question for the JL vs the fatal five movie and that’s were the hell was the flash during the whole thing?
And weird question probably but could the Harley and Batman movie and fatal five movies respectively be their own alternate universes?
Their was brief moment in jlu were we could’ve gotten a flashpoint, I’m just saying.
Nah, they’re both part of the DCAU proper. The Flash is somewhere else, really doesn’t need more of an explanation than that. They don’t go out of their way to tell us where Iron Man is every Thor movie.
Watchtower Database true.
Wonder how different the things would’ve been if Jessica had a yellow lantern ring in the comics?
you need to make a timeline list and include comics and games on it it will take two years and more but it is OK 😂😂
Been workin’ on it since 2011, so...correct!
Will green lantern tas canon? I feel like it could.
Nope it has has jordan
Kj Abtio is this sarcasm?
@@amanofculture580 no its just that green lantern tas has hal jordan not Jon Stewart who is the dcau lantern
Kj Abtio Hal exists in the dcau. This movie confirmed it.
@@amanofculture580 yes but nobody knows when and killowog is a charter in it meaning it would have to take place before 2006 and the costumes dont match up plus they never even mention Jon Stewart or the jla
"However, as a follow up to Beechen’s run
we have to accept that canonically the Joker was still active near Batman’s
retirement, which doesn't work with on-screen evidence from the DCAU." Are you talking about the story Nightwing gives Terry about why he retired? Isn't it possible that he was simply lying to Terry for some reason (possibly because the real truth involved the whole thing with Batgirl getting pregnant)? Or that the Joker seen in the flashback was just an early imitator of the original Joker, possibly an early member/precursor of the Jokerz gang from Beyond? Or Clayface in disguise? My point is, that hardly seems "non-reconcilable" to me and I think it's a little unfair to knock out such a large source of potential DCAU canon without at least giving it its own Will It Canon video or something. (Also I might be remembering things wrong. Haven't read those comics in a while.)
What’s this quote from? I didn’t say this in the video. 🤔
@@dcauwatchtower Oh, sorry, shoulda specified. It's in that document you linked to in the description about your rules for determining canon.
Anyways. I just think it's a bit objectionable how quickly the Batman Beyond 2.0 stuff's been discarded from canon when the author was clearly a big DCAU fan who crammed in tons of intentional continuity references and stuff. Should definitely be a Will It Canon episode one day.
Oh for sure. It’ll either be a WIC or a separate video all about the Earth-12 comics.
Another awesome vid, thanks guys!
21:04 Guys we need some amnestics, he's finding out the truth
I'm sure it's been said but Tim doesn't have to have been a teenager during the fatal five, m'gann only needed to transform into his teenage self. Of course he looks the youngest he ever did (imo) as baby joker so maybe he's just a short king forever. Until he grows up. Nevermind.
You say they could push Joker's Death's Period if they keep making content in that time period but a likely scenario could be that time travel caused changes in events. Which means the events of Batman Beyond could change.
Also you say Miss Martian could have been born between 1986 and 1992 but that depends if she "actually aged". A possible scenario could be maybe a clone like Galatea cuz technically she would be younger than 10 years old but was aged artificially.
Also could it be possible that Miss Martian just turned into a younger version of Tim when he was an actual teenager? (on a side note you say he doesn't look 21 in RotJ but for all we know he could be very short throughout most of his life)
Yes, the Tim 21 thing is debatable for sure. It’s his definite age by that calendar year, but whether or not he looks that age is up in the air.
My theory of how Joker keeps on coming back is maybe different criminals were taking up the name of the Joker or he was using the Cademus thing he did to Tim Drake to other criminals to keep on coming back from every time we think he dies.
Theory on how Tim Drake looks the same age in Return of the Joker flashback. Maybe somehow he got trapped in the Phantom Zone or some other dimension where time moves differently while working with the DCAU Teen Titans. So when he came out he looked the same age as when he went in even though perhaps a few years had passed
Great video!
I looked some things up, if we assume Static Shock takes place in NEw Jersey, the Driver Permit age of Jersey is 17.
Which fixes like, a bunch of things.
Great job guys keep up the good work
Overall, i think JL v FF is a bit more easier dcau thing to deal with on putting it in the timeline. (But what dcau thing could make matty to disappear and cause a will it canon episode of extremeness?)
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Can you guys do a Justice League Action will it canon please
Maybe someday!
Thanks love your content
my mom also types with just her index fingers, how cute
Yay a new video
So... What WAS that mountain that Mr. Terrific hid the Time Sphere?
James might be at his "most James" in this
On crises on two Earths in canon, Hal Jordan is the Green Lantern, so that means that he was a Green Lantern way before Once and Future Thing episode. That equals a timeline on Jordan before the Amazo coming back to Earth, and Jordan was not with the rest of the Green Lantern corp.
There are many reasons besides Hal Jordan why the movie doesn’t work in the DCAU: ruclips.net/video/xwsvjm1WdfU/видео.html
22:12 bald!Nightwing made me think of my dad so I had the exact same reaction
Judging from the shirt you’re wearing in this video, I’m curious, what instrument did you play?
Trombone and baritone!
Watchtower Database that’s amazing! I play percussion in the Front ensemble aka the pit in marching band.
Band people are best people
Watchtower Database You bet! Band is always a positive unless you’re talking about the band drama. That’s an entirely different story
That thumbnail did change right? Cause it sure wasn't the same guy with the lack of hair and a sudden scarrrr.
What
Good video. I really think the shapeshifting into Tim was a nod to RotJ already having happened. The only wy it makes sense to me is that the flashback takes place between JL and JLU, or in 2002 (going by your math). We Know Tim is 51 in RotJ in 2040 or whatever, so it's really the last year he could possibly look that young/pre-puberty. Joker, Robin and the Bat supporting characters never reappear during JLU, so I don't think it's a stretch to say the Bruce we see there is in heavy trauma and denial and just not talking about it. (He kept being Batman, so he had to do something with his time) No matter how you slice it, anything after 2002 doesn't make sense, but I agree condensing the entire JL/JLU timeline into a couple years to fit it in makes even less sense.
I think that’s certainly one way to look at it, but it’s up to you to think it doesn’t make sense to place it after JLU 😉. The creatives have said it’s the last present day event, and almost always say a new thing that comes out is before it. Tim’s character model is a character model, Batman likely would’ve cut ties with EVERYONE after it happened, and if Miss Martian brought it up so soon? Yikes.
Underrated channel tbh
since we know harley quit after that encounter in the flashback , and if the dee dee twins are harleys grand children does that make knightwing their grandfather via harleys child and if this is true that would change the timeline of when batman and harley takes place and the flashback, and i think it may be true cause what would be the point of that knightwing and harley scene taking place
No
Is that the legacy of DC Animated Universe?
Hm?
Was Jessica Cruz in anything else in the DCAU? Because that character is a lot younger then most of the shows, but this is a movie that's over a year old now, so it makes sense.
She is not
Am I crazy? Or was there not an episode in Batman the Animated Series where it shows a picture of Thomas and Martha Wayne, below which says the year 1910 or something. They’re young in the picture so it was before Bruce was born but would that not suggest that Bruce was born in the 30s or 40s? I wish I could remember the name of the episode but I’m most likely wrong.
I'm not sure if the crime syndicate exist in the dcau because it has the justice lords
It’s very possible the events of “Crisis on Two Earths” also happened in the DCAU! Check out our “Will It Canon?” video on that movie!
What was the name of the Superman animated series that had him go to the future to fight along the Justice league of the future?
You’re thinking of the “Legion of a Super Heroes” cartoon. We’re putting out a video all about the DCAU’s LoSH on Sunday!
@@dcauwatchtower Thank you very much for the response and the refresher for the name of the show.
with the Legion of Superheros talk it made me want to binge watch the series lol
I'm from the year 2056
Love this video. Watching in eugene Oregon
Truly top notch stuff
Hey... shouldn't super girl be in the future? Where was she in this movie? Was she just.. further in the future?
Check out our “Will It Canon?” episode and Easter eggs video on this movie as well!
I live in warrenton Oregon (it’s by seaside and Astoria)
same
One thing I'm surprised that you of missed was that at the end of Crisis On Two Earths, after Batman calling in "reinforcements" during the Crime Syndicate's Wonder Woman and Marvel Family's intrusion of the Watchtower, the league decides to expand. So in actuality it DOES work......except for the fact that many of those reinforcements weren't seen on JLU. But still, the IDEA works.
Well, yes. Like I said, the movie’s plot was originally meant to take place within the DCAU, before some minor alterations.
Duly noted!! Lol! I love this channel!! Your editing and close ups are HYSTERICAL!! You guys piece together and analyze facts in a way that I could never imagine and I'm a virgo!!!
I know I'm late to this but will there be more movies in the bruce timm-verse canon?? the final episode of JL Unlimited left us wanting more.
Nothing has been announced yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we get more past just “Batman and Harley Quinn” and “Justice League vs the Fatal Five”
21:02 I can confirm it IS the real Portland.
that intro tho, also woo go ducks!
tim's puberty didn't hit untill he was 30 thats all
Hey guys, do another Legacies issue please! Talk about the rise of Darkseid and his evil influence throughout the universe.
We are working on several new issues at once right now! Stay tuned!