Early 1990s they apparently took on the job of getting emissions down. I wonder how many office blocks all over the UK have been built in that time that should have had solar panelling installed instead of just normal glass to help keep the costs of heating and lighting in these building down. Go through London Canary Wharf any night of the week and see the buildings all lit up with no bugger working in them. I was a security guard for over 10 years patrolling these buildings so I know first hand.
@ Battery storage obviously. In fact on a skyscraper, you could put an enormous mass on a cable, and have solar driven motors wind it up to the top all day. Then at night, the mass could slowly lower to the ground floor and spin generators as it goes. Similar principal to the water storage reservoirs in Wales. That's a battery that won't degenerate, would require a very simple maintenance plan and could last a hundred years or more. Plan a works fine.
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@@Valyssi have you a pet, slaughter it as quickly as possible, that's my advice to you sir.
me hee you just need a difference in potential to be available, no need to dig if you already have a tall structure (i.e the potential at the top is greater than that at the bottom) and there’s no need to ask someone for loads of plans if the first is totally viable. I could sit here and ask you endlessly what your plan a-z is for taking a shit but ultimately you just need to sit there and take care of it, no need for backups. I want to make clear that I do not agree with most of the socialist yahoos that are plaguing the comments though.
At 1:00 "Greenhouse gases are less than they have been in the 1990's" says the interviewer. This is just flat wrong. In no sense can this be right. The concentration of greenhouse gases is higher and the rate at which we expell greenhouse gases is higher. If she is referring too Britians greenhouse gas emissions, I am sorry to say that emissions are only lower than those from 1990 if you exclude international shipping and flights (which they always do in their calculation!) That's right, international flights, and international shipping of goods are their own categories on paper as though they were their own contries when nations calculate their greenhouse gas emissions with respect to the Paris Agreement! Nothing is getting done. Protest protest protest
we need accountability. Those responsible for holding back solutions and deniers, should feel the weight of law for they irresponsible behavior. As of today they are totally free to do as they please. But follow my reasoning: If I injure someone with my actions I will be held responsible by law. This should be applied to every field in our society to every one.
@@xaverlustig3581 Wow... How do you manage to go from a proposition of accountability to freedom of speech? I'm not against freedom of speech at all, I really like freedom of speech. I''ll make an example for you to better understand my point. Exemple: I decide to build a paper house, and all specialist will tell me, don't do it, is to dangerous you will have a high risk to burn it and die. Anyway who the hell are those specialists?? I build my house in few weeks, and my family and 2 other families live in it for few days, until somebody while cooking eggs burn the house down and kills all occupants. So I'm responsible for not listening to the specialists an build my paper house against all recommendations? Or is the guy who cooked the eggs? It is not against freedom of speech, it is about common sense, when we have a scientific community telling us something IS WRONG, I guess I believe the experts.
@@paulb1123 wow something really touched a nerve in you didn't it? No need to burst an artery over a RUclips thread man. To answer your question, I've been trying to become vegetarian for the last couple of months, cut it down to one meal a week now. Hopefully will be meat-free soon!
@Kevin Jordan - Exactly, the UK could go 0% carbon emissions tomorrow and it would literally still be a drop in the ocean to the planet... these people can disrupt London all they want but until China and the USA take action then it’s all just pissing in the wind.
They won’t do that because they would soon be stopped and would not get the publicity. On the other hand if they believe people agree with then, all people have to do is stop flying, stop travelling by car, stop buying products from China and other countries with high emissions.
you game changer of An Album for me was Oxygene Jean Michel Jarre 1977 and Moby Every thing is wrong lets get the air waves on the radio to get the message across as well
@david bates bugger off you old codger. It's our turn to clean your mess up. Thankfully the world will be a nicer, cleaner world when your generation shuffle off.
@Liam Huish Arse wipe comment, the ageist equivalent of ''I have black friends'' that will come back to bite you, superior, self important arrogant leftie disciple.
Jack Gray two million people didn’t cause disruption in a confined space? Disruption to commuters is going to make them sympathetic to the eco-fascist cause?
@@jameswhiteley6843 What do you suggest? All sit on our hands & argue about Brexit? Three years & this has been swept to the bottom of the pile whilst they start fracking! wtf.
"We could do more on Innovation"...It seems that the ONLY way most MPs think is In Money terms...Farhana is trying to get him to think about cutting climate emissions and he's talking about Electric cars, which , sure , are better than the ones we have now, but Greta's Dad commented NO cars would be better. We have public transport after all
Andria E-M:Some of us don't have public transport in rural areas because there simply isn't any!! Or what there is, only runs between major towns along fast roads & not through country roads & small villages! For many people who need to get to the nearest shopping centres, to the doctor's or supermarkets, a car is essential but even an electric one is out of the range of our small pensions!! Some people believe that everybody's life style is the same as their own! It isn't!!
So with my disability, not able to use buses, i am destined to be a prisoner in my home. The disabled kicked to the kerb again. THERE IS NO CLIMATE EMERGENCY. WE HAVE LOW LEVELS OF Co2. Scientists admit that much of the climate data is untrue. They were forced to admit that they made false claims, to keep their careers and funding. All from big business, who want to sell us SOLAR panels, electric cars, etc.
I don’t really understand why these people are so concerned and terrified of CO2? CO2 is extremely important for plant life, without CO2 or with less CO2 in our atmosphere then plant life would grow slower, there cellular regeneration would deteriorate and photosynthesis would slow down to a crawl. Plants are extremely important for producing oxygen for all of us to breathe, we breathe in oxygen and we exhale CO2 while plant life absorb sunlight and take carbon out of the air around them which produces oxygen, this process is called photosynthesis. Our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, .9% argon and .04% CO2 and even smaller percentages of other gases. If you decrease the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere then plant life would grow smaller and produce less photosynthesis which intern produces more oxygen. We don’t need to decrease the percentage of CO2 in our atmosphere because that has detrimental effects on plant life, that’s where the term greenhouse gases comes from and what does a greenhouse do? You grow plants in a greenhouse. If these climate change fanatics really want to do good for the planet then they need to be out there picking up trash and cleaning up our oceans while planting trees or growing plants which absorb CO2 at a higher rate than other plants instead of just blocking traffic, keeping people from getting to work or wherever they need to go and gluing themselves to the street! They are hurting their “cause” because the optics of it makes them look like radicals and the average person is persuaded to do the opposite of what these people want done just because they are turned off by them. These protesters attempt to shut down the city, they take away valuable resources such as policing and they often times trash the city.... Mission failed extinction rebellion. I’d be willing to bet that none of these people know anything other than the fact that CO2 is bad when in reality CO2 is a very small percentage of our overall atmosphere but that small percentage is extremely important for plant life and ultimately the production of oxygen.. Fossil fuels are nothing more then plant matter that has broken down over millions of years under pressure and has turned into pure carbon trapped in the ground which is why we burn it because heat produces energy so the burning of fossil fuel‘s that produces heat also produces CO2 being released back into the atmosphere as a byproduct and it’s the heat, not the CO2 that is responsible for the melting of polar ice caps. If carbon (fossil fuels) is left in the ground then co2 remains trapped so the planet would then remain colder because we need CO2 to contribute to the atmosphere and help trap the heat which we get from sunlight. The burning of fossil fuel‘s releases this CO2 back into the atmosphere and because our atmosphere is only 400 parts per million or 0.04% so we absolutely need CO2 to counter the effects of global cooling... there is absolutely nothing wrong with the burning of fossil fuels.. it’s because of fossil fuel’s that we were able to invent the internal combustion engine, if it wasn’t for fossil fuels we would’ve hunted nearly every species of Whale to extinction a long ago because whale blubber is what we used as a heat source before fossil fuels... Everything we are today, everything we have built and everything we know is all because of fossil fuel’s! Net zero carbon emissions means producing no more CO2 than the amount of CO2 that is removed but this is not possible unless we take our planet and the human race ultimately back to the Stone Age.. like I said if these climate change alarmists really want to make a difference like they claim they do then by all means continue to push for more solar and wind energy production, any clean source of producing energy is absolutely a good thing but these are unreliable sources of producing energy just due to the fact that our technology is just not quite there yet, perhaps one day it will be and I hope that day comes in the future but the cleanest source of energy production that we currently have today is nuclear energy but these people are also against nuclear power. Like I said It’s not the CO2 that’s the problem it’s the heat which comes from creating energy, (CO2 is merely the byproduct) you just can’t produce energy without also producing some heat, that’s just how thermal dynamics works, sorry people that’s Physics for ya, heat produces energy deal with it LOL. Like I said earlier it is the production of CO2 and other greenhouse gases which help trap heat coming from the sun, without trapping the heat our planet would freeze and boil away at the same time, just look at Mars as an example of this, to restart Mars as a habitual planet for life you would need to pump a shit load of CO2 and other greenhouse gases into its atmosphere, without the greenhouse effect liquid water freezes and boils away at the same time... obviously there’s a lot more to it and it’s a lot more complicated than how I’ve been able to explain it thus far but for lack of a better word I’m trying to dumb it down for people to better understand the process that goes into greenhouse gases and climate change and global warming blah blah blah so to sum things up please don’t listen to the rhetoric and the propaganda that is only intended to scare people into action because a lot of the organizations that fund groups like extinction rebellion, they do not have good intentions because they are hiding behind bad science and misleading interpretations of that science and remember science is not an explanation for anything nor is it a religion for people not to question and disagree with, it is a method used to best explain the fundamental nature of the world around us
Hilarious at 5:20 - where the interviewer (after an interjection from the token male) says: "I'm more than capable of making that argument for myself " - mansplaining par excellence
Wait, are you suggesting that a man daring to speak during a discussion he's been invited to as a guest is "mansplaining" and sexist? But the female interviewer dismissively telling him to shut up is "hilarious"?
@@jdg9999 - He interrupted her in the middle of a question to someone else with some examples which he presumably thought she has "forgotten" to include - a tad patronising methinks, and he really did deserve her reaction
@@martinkil50 lol, do you know how normal conversations work? People add to what other people say. I love it, a sneering arrogant woman telling a guest to shut his mouth for daring to speak, and somehow that's an example of male sexism? If a male presenter had treated a female guest that way, he would have been attacked as a sexist.
he was agreeing with her and adding to her argument, and she spits acid at him. then you Martin champion this misanthropy! it's classic though: people who are hurting, hurt people. from the beginning this woman was not interested in having a socratic dialogue. let's have more awesome role models who show people how to be civil hmm???
@@jdg9999 - It wasn't a normal conversation in was a newsnight discussion led by an presenter and the male politician was feeling a little left out because he hadn't had a chance to contribute - so he injected himself into the middle of a question. Could you imagine him doing that to a male presenter? The difference is probably the male presenter would have made the same point but with a withering look rather than actually calling him out for his presumption of inadequacy
The 44% emmissions cut is an spin of the truth. Methane emissions are down because we import more of our meat (methane is down by factor of 60%). Our net carbon dioxide emissions aren't even down by 20%, 592MT in 1990 to 495MT in 2010. Consider upon that that our manufacturing industry has shrank considerably, as the UK has been outsourcing manufacturing since 1948 at an astonishing rate (it was once half the economy, it's now a tenth) so that countries like China are emitting CO2 for our imported iPhones. This is ankle deep journalism and figure quoting, awful.
Its not like the planet has been going for billions of years. It has been through meteor storms, several ice ages, famines, volcanic eruptions, shifting Teutonic plates and nuclear meltdowns. Look at Chernobyl the people are gone but the environment still goes on.
@@videomania666 I know the planet will be fine, it's ability to support life though, won't be. How on earth is climate change a tax hoax? That's probably the most retarded thing I've heard.
@@anotidachoto9460 you mean the same way parts of Africa "adapt" to mass famine. I too look forward to "adapting" to a planet that fails to support life.
Guy Seddeg carry on living in your bubble with the tories, maybe they will save your grandchildren from drowning or war? Or maybe they have a plan like they did for brexit? Most likely they will be looking after their own interests while yours crumble into the sea literally... good luck
All these protesters were really quite when thousands of football fans had to fly to other countries to watch 4 english clubs play each other... total stupidity, should have played at wembley..
@@MTCoblivsicas12345Another 4.5 billion so they say. We'll be gone in around a billion or so as every billion years the sun outputs 10% more radiation. Look at all the cancers we have today. Couple this with a thinning ozone layer and do you think we can take another 10%? Forget going to other planets as that's never going to happen. The clock's ticking for humans as a species, so enjoy.
This was the must useful discussion I've seen on the media this week. All the others were laughable and just poked fun at the protest or complained about disruption, completely ignoring the actual issues. This at least discussed some things that did and didn't happen, and what decarbonisation looks like in a relatively serious manner.
@@xxwookey where was the balance of a view that said - actually the science doesnt support the climate catastrophists beliefs, and certainly not to the catastrophic extent of these crazy people.
@@burgesspark685 Well we are currently heading for catastrophe. We are on track for 3-4C temp rise and that will be catastrophic. Yes the people saying collapse will happen in 10 years are wrong, but note that's not what XR are saying. They are (correctly) saying that we have to _act_ immediately in order to get on track over the next decade for 1.5C total rise, especially allowing for the UK being a leading country on this. The time for that is now incredibly short. Anyone arguing for further delay, or that this is not in fact now an emergency, is not adding 'balance' at this point - they are just arguing for worse outcomes. If you don't think our current trajectory will be catastrophic then I suggest you read the IPCC report, or other good quality data sources. But perhaps you are just debating timescales? That fine, but be careful to distinguish between the times when we have to start reducing emissions and the times when the effects start to become unmanageable. The action comes decades before the outcomes, which is where most of the urgency comes from.
until Usa and China dont reduce emission - we are screw......for hundreds of years western countrys used everything to develop their economy. now other countries such India , China , Brazil , or eastern europe want s the same . Very hard time comes.....greed of businesmans is bigger than ever . Polish engineer working about blue coal - and after few years we will have brilliant technology. i hope that some financial illuminati style guys dont interupt this project
@@anthonymeredith7517 There is supposed to be an international rebellion extinction going on across the world including events across the USA right now. I hope the movement is successful.
To those of you saying "GET A JOB!"; we do have jobs. But trying to save the planet is more important to us than holidaying. So we're using our allocated annual days off to protest.
@@thedanger8919 Biggest contribution to " greenhouse"gases is ocean ozone,second is dead leaves decomposing,third is methane from livestock. Good luck in stopping that!
Can you explain why your jobless hippies were handing out leaflets on Waterloo bridge tonight? Leaflets are damaging to the environment and one of your gorgeous protesters told me to fuck off when I said no thank you. You are foul mouthed, ignorant and stupid and handing out paper leaflets to cause more waste and use more resources to create them.
Why aren't you camped on parliament square, downing street or sadiq khans front garden. You're just causing disruption to ordinary people who are just going to hate you for it.
@@silversnow3186 More like hypocrites for you lot. You do realise there is nothing the UK can do as a small island to halt climate change without the cooperation of India, China, USA...you just made yourselves look like utter fools
@@darryljones3009 Why would you want to take action? We are the problem. If you really think there is a viable way out then you underestimate human nature, greed will always win.
60% of animals have become extinct since 1970, the trees in Britain are dieing from ash dieback disease, the soil is becoming infertile and the water is contaminated with pharmaceuticals and plastic not to mention the air quality.
Stop talking about what’s realistic. Start talking about what’s necessary. Remember: if humans can carry out a mass mobilisation for killing each other (twice), we can carry out a mass mobilisation for helping each other and Mother Earth.
c'mon. this behaviour is probably part of her childhood protection strategy, where one or more of her primary carers didn't respect what she had to say (or perhaps this was the role modelling she received from her carergiver[s]), so she had to acridly spew it out so it could be heard. the problem is that now she's an adult, talking about serious things where the aim is to have a dialogue which ends up bringing everyone into mutually respectful understandings of each other and ideally collaboration towards the goals of their shared human needs.
Do they realise that we are on eof the countries doing the most. We have housing estates that dont emit any pollution and we have the largest off shore wind farms in the world.
@Awesome Vines Yea but this issue needs a lot more persuasion to get the numbers up, the oil war protest already had the numbers. First you need more people and then you should try to pack more of a punch.
No march ever changed anything, from Aldermaston to Brexit. Governments only listen when they are at serious risk of losing control (e.g. Macron and the gilets jaunes in France). The means must always be proportionate to the ends, and I'd say the threat of human extinction demands exceptional action. Yes, many people are inconvenienced, which is regrettable. But they'll be a good deal more inconvenienced when the flood waters rise and there is no food in the shops. We are not politicians out to woo voters with sugar coated promises. We need people to know the truth, get angry when they realise how politicians have let them down, and act.
@@nicktill9021 Vast majority will not understand the green cause at this stage, all they're going to think is- Oh there goes another group who wants something for themselves. They'd label them middle class hippies and plain dirty hippies and scorn them for making them fry while trying to commute..
@@RoskinGreenrake why should they label a movement that includes mothers and grandmothers, teachers and doctors, artists and sportspersons, "middle-class or dirty hippies"? Perhaps because that's what the Daily Mail tells them? People will fry a good more if we do nothing.
To answer some of the interviewer's questions: 1 I agree that it's not great that some people had a two hour delay getting to work (for several days) but what do you think getting to work will look like in 10 year's time? What do you think the nature of work will look like after environmental collapse? Short term pain for long term gain. 2 You asked about how people will heat their homes - the answer is clean renewable energy. 3 The problem with aviation and shipping needs to be addressed with industry leaders - sadly they were not represented in this panel. What needs to happen is industry, airlines and shipping have to address how they will move to clean energy by 2025. Talking to a lawyer and politician isn't enough. 4 Where we get the 2025 number from is via the IPCC stating that we only have 12 years to act. Never mind what Friends of the Earth are saying about whether we can meet the target by 2045, it needs to happen now. 5 When you ask about if we go to clean energy too quickly raising food prices etc, you fail to understand that the ecological collapse that we face risks far worse. Your point is like focusing on a splinter in your finger while ignoring an open wound. Overall, the interviewer presents an antagonistic style posing problems with the environment movement, rather than addressing this constructively. The media has a role to play in helping society focus on solutions. Sadly they aren't doing that.
Antonio De Soto Perhaps you'd be better asking ,imagine what it'll be like getting to work in ten year's time after we've imported 250,000 immigrants a year? Perhaps you might also be asking how moving millions from hot Countries to cold ones impacts on power usage. Oh.never mind it's only a "racist"question to the trendy left,and doesn't suit the narrative. You're all playing into the hands of the globalists,yet the irony is you don't realise how much you're benefiting them.George Soros must be pleased.
@@davidbarlow350 You're right, let's do nothing and let the planet burn up because "Soros", "lefties" and "globalists". You think 250,000 migrants is a problem now, wait until you see what migration looks like when some parts of the planet gets too hot and uninhabitable.
@@sotosonic413 You really don't get it ,do you. The whole globalist agenda is open borders and the movement of people from hot Countries to cold ones.This benefits who?The migrants or those in power ? Aid to these Countries makes them dependent,they get comfortable and they then breed like rabbits.(look beyond your blinkers and look up the damage Live Aid did,and the subsequent famine the ensued).They then migrate,to make Europe like the third world shit hole they left in the first place. I appreciate your lefty liberal indoctrination won't accept any of this,and you'll keep pushing the agenda the BBC has given you. Hopefully oneday.you'll think for yourself and wake up to the NWO and those fighting against it.
@@davidbarlow350 Actually it's you who doesn't t get it - we're here to talk about the survival of the planet and how to stop global catastrophe, not the racist paranoia stuff you're spouting. I'm not going to bother responding to you again as it's a waste of time and you're just itching for an excuse to push your agenda which has nothing to do with climate change. Ask yourself what you hoped to achieve by trying to debate with people online - are you hoping they'll change to agree with you? Would you change to agree with them? Didn't think so.... Goodbye and good luck!
@@sotosonic413 Idiot,the "racist parania is exactly why we have problem. Move people from hot Countries to cold ones,and rapidly increase your polution levels.But you smug virtue signally brainwashed donkeys are too thick to work it out.
On the strength of how much more attractive this protest made parts of London, a writer in the Evening Standard wondered if there couldn't be one traffic free day in C. London every month. A nice idea of course, but therein lies the problem. In light of the catastrophe faced, It's a bit half hearted where what's needed has to be comprehensive and quick off the mark.
“Within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return [and] a true planetary emergency [due to global warming],” Gore warned while pushing his theory back in January 2006.
@jimmy goody Wake up and do some REAL research it's lies. CO2 makes up 0.04% of the atmosphere and we contribute 4%. So our contribution is 0.0016%. Hardly enough to have any effect at all let alone end the world in 10 years. The IPCC just spread lies. Most of their 'scientists' aren't scientists or if they are they are not scientists with any climate connections. The bought 'scientists' climate models produce the results they were programmed to produce. Try researching the real factors that affect the climate such as the Milankovich cycles, precession, obliquity, solar flares and sun spots. I don't suppose you or most of the IPCC know about or even bother with any of this.
The government can't deliver Brexit how can we expect them to do anything about the impending disasters unfolding, make unnecessary plastic packaging a criminal offence now ! Sustainability is the new religion.
I very much agree with the sentiments of Extinction Rebellion but with the current strategy, it will go the way of #Occupy. Righteous anger unmatched with a follow-up plan that is meaningful for the target audience. 'Disruption' to systems is welcomed at a policy level. Disruption on the ground is alienating. More than ever we need intelligent, and not just symbolic, action.
@David Hargreaves With respect, that's a silly comment. "Breaking the law"? The current rules bind us. Whatever you believe. Rules are necessary and need to be observed. But blind adherence would never have seen eg the birth of the USA or the overthrow of apartheid South Africa. Nothing to do with inviting anarchy and self-harm. The challenge is to know and act on what is important, not just for us as individuals, but for humanity.
... Are people not getting that it is just a vanishing small output from the UK themselfs... the problem is that we outsource Industries and than call it cutting our emission... Emission should never be viewed from one countries perspective... the Atmosphere isn't magicly cut at borders... ???! wtf are these people learning...
u didn't get the point clearly. If China would go green now.... whole Europe and US Economy would crumble. We outsource Industrie and call it cutting Emissions. --> we want china to produce cheap which also means ... no time effort or money to sustain our enviorment.
We should create a commision to take all those deniers accountable when the time is right. Such subject can not be put to debate, when scientific community already say so since 30 + years. We are all responsible but some will hold the responsibility more for holding back the change, remember that.
that was actually a pretty good segment. interviewer was discriminating towards both panelists' views, they both made convincing arguments and I got the sense the ex-tory minister was genuine in his concern for the environment, which I was preemptively inclined to be respectful of. I don't know many facts about his record. We need to (continue) to do more.
Let's be clear on one thing; the BBC are no longer involved in journalism. They are a special interest no different than any other lobby organisation or political pressure group. The BBC has its own political ideology with its own political agenda. An agenda that it now shamelessly spends hundreds of millions of licence payers pounds to promote and pursue. In 2016 the BBC's primary agenda was to ensure that Britain remained a member of the European Union. But despite using all the means at its disposal to scare, shame and bully, 17.4 million Britons defied the BBC and voted to become an independent country once again. Since then the BBC's agenda has shifted to one of blatant anti-democratic propaganda, in an increasingly overt attempt to undermine, overturn and nullify that historic decision.
You are very right - I am an avid listener of Radio 4, but nowadays I am finding myself switching off the Radio more and more as there is no such thing a diversity of views on the BBC. It is also impossible for them to see their bias as they are so caught in their culture, like religious people tend to be, that they just cannot understand how anyone might have a different view.
The tone is so weird, as is so much of the BBC's journalism these days. This is an existential risk to civilisation that our leaders are doing almost nothing about. And we're talking about what tactics might be appropriate to get attention? Madness. It's not about setting "realistic" goals- the laws of physics have set the goals. The protesters are just reporting what science tells us we need to do, at least assuming that we share in common the desire to avoid the death of at least hundreds of millions of people and most of the earth's ecosystem. If we can't get carbon neutral by 2025 in the UK, a rich country with a vaguely functional state, how the hell is the rest of the world going to do it in time? If we wait until 2080 to be carbon neutral, as Lord Barker suggests, and seems to think is appropriate, the planet is utterly doomed, even in the opinion of the extremely conservative International Panel for Climate Change. How somebody who's been following climate change can have avoided understanding this is beyond me, let alone someone who's had authority over our response to it. If I knew that little about my job I'd be sacked faster than I could blink. This is why we're in this mess.
I always find Climate Change protests a bit like the annoying cousins who always points to the obvious problems but provides solutions that aren’t viable.
Kind of not the point. The facts are in. As long as governments refuse to take action. It serves a purpose to disrupt and halt everything else till it becomes painful for the ones controlling governments. (The rich and corporarions) loose enough income to stop take notice and make some notable action.
It's not protesters responsibility to find solutions to the world's climate change. There are scientists, corporations and governments who have experts who can focus on viable solutions. The protesters are trying to force them to stop looking the other way to make a quick buck and actually face up to their responsibilities.
@@yfoog agreed. I have devoted a good deal of my life as a protestor and citizen to make others aware of climate change andnthebissues around it. Though it's not our job it is where you.choose to devote your time to fight the causes you believe in. I agree there are better trained people but you can learn a lot if you decide you want to be educated and informed. I choose to be involved.
the first argument that news reporter had was the cost of money due to the protest when in fact it is our greed for money that is holding us back from making real change...
This entitled journalist really irritated me because she made it her job to force her own arguments and opinions into this piece rather than let the viewer decide their own objective opinion from what the guests had to say. Very rude and should be sacked.
... by not using as many of them? Use can use green energy to fuel, wait for it, ways to get more green energy. Doesn't have to be 100% squeaky clean just has to be cleaner than it is current;y
If they would like to get a message across... 🤔 I’m wondering what method of transport they used to arrive at this interview? And why are they not wearing emission free clothing?
It is ignorant to protest against climate change aka WEATHER!! Anyone who still has common sense and is not brainwashed knows that climate change simply is just WEATHER. To reduce co2 emmisions just plant trees. Anyone who still has common sense knows that trees eat co2 and in return produces oxygen.
How many times has Chris Packham flown in the last 12 months? How many staff do the BBC fly to sports events. How many of these people complained about Brexit affecting the shutdown of the diesel car production in Swindon at Honda. However they frame the argument they will be held up to be hypocrites, especially the famous.
You can actually see all of the people who take stipends for their time given to the movement on the extinction rebellion website, along with the amounts. Very few people are payed anything in this movement. I'm not sure the fact that people had to take transport to get to the protests makes the protests any less important or valuable. The point of this action is to force the government into action. The scale of the disaster we face is so huge in comparison to the amount of emissions caused by people travelling to the protest that its irrelevant
"Barker also developed strong links to the Russian oil companies, being Head of Communications at the Anglo-Siberian Oil Company from 1998-2000 and also worked in London and Moscow for the Sibneft Oil Group, owned by Roman Abramovich. "
Not a mention of all the Weather Modification taking place ! Nor the Chemtrails, regularly criss crossing the skies, with no explanation as to what or why.
Exactly!! Short sighted people! Allies reply proves your point... sweep that under the carpet.. never mind the FACT its probably the main reason for climate change. Shhhhhhh (we dont mention that)
@@calcium150 , I have heard very few solutions . Many impractical suggestions, and the nonsense ad infinitum about Carbon Dioxide and Carbon Taxing. Did you happen to read that NASA, have just published data showing that the slight rise in CO2 , has been greening the planet, aiding and expanding verdancy. ? Tomato and Pepper commercial glasshouses, actually use CO2, they buy tanks of it to raise the CO2 inside, as it increases plant growth and production. I strongly suggest you look into the amount of weather control and modification that is taking place. Climate Change nee Global Warming is a tissue of lies to distract from enormous and industrial scale operations , that will milk the markets, expand GMO/scientific farming , and cause considerable ecological damage. Try watching one of Mike Morales videos on You Tube, it may wake you up a little. Don't worry too much if you don't grasp it all, the Powers that Be, like to mess up the soundtrack so as to be out of sync. after some way in. To deter viewers. But the last five minutes, are well worth seeing, to give an idea of the amount of Chemtrailing going on.
Ultimately it’s something we need to address because today they block our streets but when London is underwater we won’t be worried about London’s block streets
@@benusmaximus3601 ah, there it is. Please go read the IPCC report when you have half an hour of time. It's online. It's based on science and facts. Cheers
@@Bollyumph Mate you are preaching into the choir. Lomborg is just against the ineffective compromise of the Paris agreement as Extinction Rebellion is. Lombog's best bet against climate change is to let it run its course until we're gone past the irreparable threshold (12 years) and in the meantime spending the 75 bln per year in heavy r&d for green energies and other research projects (I remember a talk where he was mentioning someone's research project to create artificial sunshade on the planet like volcanoes do, or to make clouds whiter which is completely not about restoring the ecosystems but quick fixing the symptoms). Actually His initial numbers were about 100 bln a year in research but ofc its completely unrealistic - I will say it's kind of a risky theory but regardless: do you think the government has an agenda as remotely as ambitious as this?
Well done Extinction Rebellion! It's about time people stop thinking about money and think about the planet! Why are people so narrow minded worrying about money!
We live in a corporate world. Money was needed to make the products for you to buy so you could watch and comment on this video and I guarantee that the planet was not considered when the products were being made and when you brought them. If we are to believe in climate change and an extinction event, we are told that money is the solution. If you really are worried for the planet and the human race, the only species capable of destroying the planet, you have to move out of the corporate world. Give up everything that you have now, find a field, build a log cabin and live off the land.
I'm very sceptical about this movement.The motives of the people who set it up may be very different to what the low level activists who are getting arrested and ruining their employment prospects think they are.
45% tax on petrol, Clean Air Acts 1956 and 1993, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant and makes up about 5% of greenhouse gases and what about 'the pause' blowing the 'hockey stick' out of the water. 'WE' are not the problem. Global poverty is the problem, fix that first and a cleaner environment will follow. AOC's green new deal actually made me laugh so much I fell off my chair. Oh, and the forestry commission systematically cut down trees like Churston woods in Devon.. Planting trees is one solution not double tapping our purses on carbon fuels.
At last some sanity ! You are quite right about CO2 if a 10000 seater stadium represented 100% of greenhouse gases only 4 seats would represent CO2. One coal powered power station produces more energy than all the wind turbines in Denmark .An 18 year pause by the way and hurricanes and tornadoes at an all time low! The IPCC no longer use Mann's hockey stick as it has been categorically been debunked .The real problem is the failure of people like the BBC to allow alternative opinions.Al Gore recently paid $5,000,000 for a beachfront property , obviously extremely concerned about sea level rise.Frauds the bloody lot of them.
We are the problem, therefore we need to periodically confront our ignorance in the way we go about our day to day. What is the alternative to a society that wishes to stay asleep. Where the government that is tasked with the role of being a public servant, but is as lazy in resolving problems we face as the general public. We all are not facing the real problems, but focus on drama for the masses and the elite wish to accumulate even more wealth. To what end I don't know. Non of us are isolated islands. Also we rely heavily on sound ecosystems. For without them we will perish. Not rocket science..
A surprisingly unbiased coverage by the bbc, previous coverage on Extinction Rebellion has left me feeling like the presenters are just doing the same old tricks to please there masters then sit there looking smug waiting for the corporate pat on the head.
Love how she said “but people won’t be able to hear there homes!” Sorry lass didn’t realise we’d survived all these years without home heating. Bleeding Georgians must have had it good with underfloor wood fires eh? Can’t survive the cold my arse. Survival of the fittest true nature 👌
I got a problem with climate protecter's why do they want everyone to eat salad/ worms? . I believe in climate change but telling people you can't eat meat or drive a car is dumb . We're have electricity/ hybrid car's now . The problem with climate change is not technology/ food/ population growth it's new idea's and investment in new technology . If everything was recycle in the UK/ world this would make billion's of pounds/ money and make millions of job's . The way's to making the planet greener is Economic's not banned people from living 🤣
According to distinguished scientists as well as research carried out it is no hoax. I do agree that every individual must play a part and I am making steps to do so. Governments can implement changes to speed up the change to other fuels. For example Norway is already 60% electric cars…way ahead of the UK.
As a kid in the 1970's, you would always see bees, wasps, butterflies, and many other insects in the summertime. IT IS VERY VERY FRIGHTENING how you rarely see these same insects anymore. The planet is dying. We are putting profit and big businesses before this beautiful planet. It is sad, but I believe that the human race will leave it to late to save the planet.
I cant understand why these people are not promoting ecosystem restoration camps, the people evolved with these camps are turning eroded land back to life, even deserts back to lush fertile land- which means peoples that had to leave these eroded lands can return and work the land to grow food and produce sustainable incomes.
Why dont they block the entrances and exits of the houses of parliament to directly affect MPs?
Tom FW well they definitely can’t tackle the issue they’re already failing to address then
Good idea, they did go into parliament semi naked to distract them from the brexit cause to the climate change cause🤣
Because XR are controlled opposition
@@The_Reality_Filter They are
Agents for Agenda 30 and the New World Order - sponsored with Getty money ... filth the lot of them!
Early 1990s they apparently took on the job of getting emissions down. I wonder how many office blocks all over the UK have been built in that time that should have had solar panelling installed instead of just normal glass to help keep the costs of heating and lighting in these building down. Go through London Canary Wharf any night of the week and see the buildings all lit up with no bugger working in them. I was a security guard for over 10 years patrolling these buildings so I know first hand.
Well if the location isn't suitable for solar panels than your carbon footprint is likely to increase
Solar panels don't produce electricity at night. Have you a plan b?
@ Battery storage obviously. In fact on a skyscraper, you could put an enormous mass on a cable, and have solar driven motors wind it up to the top all day. Then at night, the mass could slowly lower to the ground floor and spin generators as it goes. Similar principal to the water storage reservoirs in Wales. That's a battery that won't degenerate, would require a very simple maintenance plan and could last a hundred years or more.
Plan a works fine.
@@Valyssi have you a pet, slaughter it as quickly as possible, that's my advice to you sir.
me hee you just need a difference in potential to be available, no need to dig if you already have a tall structure (i.e the potential at the top is greater than that at the bottom) and there’s no need to ask someone for loads of plans if the first is totally viable. I could sit here and ask you endlessly what your plan a-z is for taking a shit but ultimately you just need to sit there and take care of it, no need for backups. I want to make clear that I do not agree with most of the socialist yahoos that are plaguing the comments though.
At 1:00 "Greenhouse gases are less than they have been in the 1990's" says the interviewer. This is just flat wrong. In no sense can this be right. The concentration of greenhouse gases is higher and the rate at which we expell greenhouse gases is higher. If she is referring too Britians greenhouse gas emissions, I am sorry to say that emissions are only lower than those from 1990 if you exclude international shipping and flights (which they always do in their calculation!) That's right, international flights, and international shipping of goods are their own categories on paper as though they were their own contries when nations calculate their greenhouse gas emissions with respect to the Paris Agreement! Nothing is getting done. Protest protest protest
11:49 That's the whole point! Carbon neutral by 2045 is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH. The ask for 2025 is a strong kick up the backside.
we need accountability. Those responsible for holding back solutions and deniers, should feel the weight of law for they irresponsible behavior.
As of today they are totally free to do as they please.
But follow my reasoning:
If I injure someone with my actions I will be held responsible by law.
This should be applied to every field in our society to every one.
@@nikoulph You mean you want to abolish freedom of speech?
@@xaverlustig3581 Wow... How do you manage to go from a proposition of accountability to freedom of speech? I'm not against freedom of speech at all, I really like freedom of speech.
I''ll make an example for you to better understand my point.
Exemple: I decide to build a paper house, and all specialist will tell me, don't do it, is to dangerous you will have a high risk to burn it and die. Anyway who the hell are those specialists?? I build my house in few weeks, and my family and 2 other families live in it for few days, until somebody while cooking eggs burn the house down and kills all occupants.
So I'm responsible for not listening to the specialists an build my paper house against all recommendations? Or is the guy who cooked the eggs?
It is not against freedom of speech, it is about common sense, when we have a scientific community telling us something IS WRONG, I guess I believe the experts.
What have you virtue signalling twats really done in the last year to bring your own carbon footprint down
@@paulb1123 wow something really touched a nerve in you didn't it? No need to burst an artery over a RUclips thread man.
To answer your question, I've been trying to become vegetarian for the last couple of months, cut it down to one meal a week now. Hopefully will be meat-free soon!
Reporter claims greenhouse gases are 43% less than the 1990s. What she failed to mention is this statistic is for the UK, not global.
Exactly that's why you need to go and protest in China and the US who contribute 45% to the worlds CO2 emissions compared to the UK's 1%
John Spoon Go to China and protest then stop disrespecting and disrupting western countries.
@Kevin Jordan - Exactly, the UK could go 0% carbon emissions tomorrow and it would literally still be a drop in the ocean to the planet... these people can disrupt London all they want but until China and the USA take action then it’s all just pissing in the wind.
So begger off to China or India then and protest there then.....tip-toe there though, I'd hate to think of you creating a carbon foot print
They won’t do that because they would soon be stopped and would not get the publicity. On the other hand if they believe people agree with then, all people have to do is stop flying, stop travelling by car, stop buying products from China and other countries with high emissions.
"I've never seen so many white people in one place. It's really quite extraordinary."
HitManHey There was about 20k bikers last Friday but the media conveniently dismissed it
On point geezer.
You should have seen the Peoples vote march
@Taz Devil they were always let through.
but still arriving late to possible life saving situations.
You didn't do enough did you Lord Barker
you game changer of An Album for me was Oxygene Jean Michel Jarre 1977 and Moby Every thing is wrong lets get the air waves on the radio to get the message across as well
These are the people no one invites to parties or gatherings - these are the people who shouldn’t be around kids!
uk guy - Communism 🤢
The government are appalling. Let's come together people I love our world ! We are the majority!!!
@david bates bugger off you old codger. It's our turn to clean your mess up. Thankfully the world will be a nicer, cleaner world when your generation shuffle off.
Lets not save the world, SJW's are turning it into a rat hole anyway.
Climate change hoax.
Let's clean up the mess the irresponsible older generations left us.
@Liam Huish Arse wipe comment, the ageist equivalent of ''I have black friends'' that will come back to bite you, superior, self important arrogant leftie disciple.
Easily the best newsnight presenter I've seen in ages
Some humans want to go to other planets to live, but we can't even take care of 1 planet?
Like if you agree!!
Well it never made a difference when two million people protested against the Iraq War.
They didn't cause constant disruption you clueless moron
Jack Gray two million people didn’t cause disruption in a confined space? Disruption to commuters is going to make them sympathetic to the eco-fascist cause?
@@jameswhiteley6843 What do you suggest? All sit on our hands & argue about Brexit? Three years & this has been swept to the bottom of the pile whilst they start fracking! wtf.
Zanzibar979 it tends to be fake accounts that call me fake.
It did work when suffragettes did it though
"We could do more on Innovation"...It seems that the ONLY way most MPs think is In Money terms...Farhana is trying to get him to think about cutting climate emissions and he's talking about Electric cars, which , sure , are better than the ones we have now, but Greta's Dad commented NO cars would be better. We have public transport after all
Andria E-M:Some of us don't have public transport in rural areas because there simply isn't any!! Or what there is, only runs between major towns along fast roads & not through country roads & small villages! For many people who need to get to the nearest shopping centres, to the doctor's or supermarkets, a car is essential but even an electric one is out of the range of our small pensions!! Some people believe that everybody's life style is the same as their own! It isn't!!
So with my disability, not able to use buses, i am destined to be a prisoner in my home. The disabled kicked to the kerb again. THERE IS NO CLIMATE EMERGENCY. WE HAVE LOW LEVELS OF Co2. Scientists admit that much of the climate data is untrue. They were forced to admit that they made false claims, to keep their careers and funding. All from big business, who want to sell us SOLAR panels, electric cars, etc.
I don’t really understand why these people are so concerned and terrified of CO2? CO2 is extremely important for plant life, without CO2 or with less CO2 in our atmosphere then plant life would grow slower, there cellular regeneration would deteriorate and photosynthesis would slow down to a crawl. Plants are extremely important for producing oxygen for all of us to breathe, we breathe in oxygen and we exhale CO2 while plant life absorb sunlight and take carbon out of the air around them which produces oxygen, this process is called photosynthesis. Our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, .9% argon and
.04% CO2 and even smaller percentages of other gases. If you decrease the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere then plant life would grow smaller and produce less photosynthesis which intern produces more oxygen. We don’t need to decrease the percentage of CO2 in our atmosphere because that has detrimental effects on plant life, that’s where the term greenhouse gases comes from and what does a greenhouse do? You grow plants in a greenhouse. If these climate change fanatics really want to do good for the planet then they need to be out there picking up trash and cleaning up our oceans while planting trees or growing plants which absorb CO2 at a higher rate than other plants instead of just blocking traffic, keeping people from getting to work or wherever they need to go and gluing themselves to the street! They are hurting their “cause” because the optics of it makes them look like radicals and the average person is persuaded to do the opposite of what these people want done just because they are turned off by them. These protesters attempt to shut down the city, they take away valuable resources such as policing and they often times trash the city.... Mission failed extinction rebellion. I’d be willing to bet that none of these people know anything other than the fact that CO2 is bad when in reality CO2 is a very small percentage of our overall atmosphere but that small percentage is extremely important for plant life and ultimately the production of oxygen..
Fossil fuels are nothing more then plant matter that has broken down over millions of years under pressure and has turned into pure carbon trapped in the ground which is why we burn it because heat produces energy so the burning of fossil fuel‘s that produces heat also produces CO2 being released back into the atmosphere as a byproduct and it’s the heat, not the CO2 that is responsible for the melting of polar ice caps. If carbon (fossil fuels) is left in the ground then co2 remains trapped so the planet would then remain colder because we need CO2 to contribute to the atmosphere and help trap the heat which we get from sunlight. The burning of fossil fuel‘s releases this CO2 back into the atmosphere and because our atmosphere is only 400 parts per million or
0.04% so we absolutely need CO2 to counter the effects of global cooling... there is absolutely nothing wrong with the burning of fossil fuels.. it’s because of fossil fuel’s that we were able to invent the internal combustion engine, if it wasn’t for fossil fuels we would’ve hunted nearly every species of Whale to extinction a long ago because whale blubber is what we used as a heat source before fossil fuels... Everything we are today, everything we have built and everything we know is all because of fossil fuel’s! Net zero carbon emissions means producing no more CO2 than the amount of CO2 that is removed but this is not possible unless we take our planet and the human race ultimately back to the Stone Age.. like I said if these climate change alarmists really want to make a difference like they claim they do then by all means continue to push for more solar and wind energy production, any clean source of producing energy is absolutely a good thing but these are unreliable sources of producing energy just due to the fact that our technology is just not quite there yet, perhaps one day it will be and I hope that day comes in the future but the cleanest source of energy production that we currently have today is nuclear energy but these people are also against nuclear power. Like I said It’s not the CO2 that’s the problem it’s the heat which comes from creating energy, (CO2 is merely the byproduct) you just can’t produce energy without also producing some heat, that’s just how thermal dynamics works, sorry people that’s Physics for ya, heat produces energy deal with it LOL. Like I said earlier it is the production of CO2 and other greenhouse gases which help trap heat coming from the sun, without trapping the heat our planet would freeze and boil away at the same time, just look at Mars as an example of this, to restart Mars as a habitual planet for life you would need to pump a shit load of CO2 and other greenhouse gases into its atmosphere, without the greenhouse effect liquid water freezes and boils away at the same time... obviously there’s a lot more to it and it’s a lot more complicated than how I’ve been able to explain it thus far but for lack of a better word I’m trying to dumb it down for people to better understand the process that goes into greenhouse gases and climate change and global warming blah blah blah so to sum things up please don’t listen to the rhetoric and the propaganda that is only intended to scare people into action because a lot of the organizations that fund groups like extinction rebellion, they do not have good intentions because they are hiding behind bad science and misleading interpretations of that science and remember science is not an explanation for anything nor is it a religion for people not to question and disagree with, it is a method used to best explain the fundamental nature of the world around us
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change
I hope you understand why now.
Hilarious at 5:20 - where the interviewer (after an interjection from the token male) says: "I'm more than capable of making that argument for myself " - mansplaining par excellence
Wait, are you suggesting that a man daring to speak during a discussion he's been invited to as a guest is "mansplaining" and sexist? But the female interviewer dismissively telling him to shut up is "hilarious"?
@@jdg9999 - He interrupted her in the middle of a question to someone else with some examples which he presumably thought she has "forgotten" to include - a tad patronising methinks, and he really did deserve her reaction
@@martinkil50 lol, do you know how normal conversations work? People add to what other people say. I love it, a sneering arrogant woman telling a guest to shut his mouth for daring to speak, and somehow that's an example of male sexism?
If a male presenter had treated a female guest that way, he would have been attacked as a sexist.
he was agreeing with her and adding to her argument, and she spits acid at him. then you Martin champion this misanthropy! it's classic though: people who are hurting, hurt people. from the beginning this woman was not interested in having a socratic dialogue. let's have more awesome role models who show people how to be civil hmm???
@@jdg9999 - It wasn't a normal conversation in was a newsnight discussion led by an presenter and the male politician was feeling a little left out because he hadn't had a chance to contribute - so he injected himself into the middle of a question. Could you imagine him doing that to a male presenter? The difference is probably the male presenter would have made the same point but with a withering look rather than actually calling him out for his presumption of inadequacy
The 44% emmissions cut is an spin of the truth. Methane emissions are down because we import more of our meat (methane is down by factor of 60%). Our net carbon dioxide emissions aren't even down by 20%, 592MT in 1990 to 495MT in 2010. Consider upon that that our manufacturing industry has shrank considerably, as the UK has been outsourcing manufacturing since 1948 at an astonishing rate (it was once half the economy, it's now a tenth) so that countries like China are emitting CO2 for our imported iPhones. This is ankle deep journalism and figure quoting, awful.
Everyone keeps talking about the cost of these protests.
How much will it cost us if the planet can't support life?
The planet will be fine, don't worry about it. Climate change is a tax hoax, nothing more
Its not like the planet has been going for billions of years. It has been through meteor storms, several ice ages, famines, volcanic eruptions, shifting Teutonic plates and nuclear meltdowns. Look at Chernobyl the people are gone but the environment still goes on.
@@videomania666 I know the planet will be fine, it's ability to support life though, won't be.
How on earth is climate change a tax hoax? That's probably the most retarded thing I've heard.
@@nonegiven2830 people adapt. Animals in Chernobyl have already adapted to the radiation
@@anotidachoto9460 you mean the same way parts of Africa "adapt" to mass famine.
I too look forward to "adapting" to a planet that fails to support life.
MPs justifying doing not enough. Once we hit the tipping point his words will be meaningless
There won’t be a tipping point haha, that’s just a myth.
Guy Seddeg carry on living in your bubble with the tories, maybe they will save your grandchildren from drowning or war? Or maybe they have a plan like they did for brexit? Most likely they will be looking after their own interests while yours crumble into the sea literally... good luck
We we're at a "tipping point" ten years ago, do you not realize you have been duped!?
We use disruption not destruction to gain attention. We’re fighting for everyone’s future, and not causing harm along the way
Your disrupting people’s lives over something that might not even be real 👏
You are part of the reason foodbanks exist.
You should be arrested. Fanatic idiots. Climate change is a scam.
All these protesters were really quite when thousands of football fans had to fly to other countries to watch 4 english clubs play each other... total stupidity, should have played at wembley..
YOU yes you im talking to you STOP BUYING STUFF
At least stuff they can't afford to buy. Wonder how many of the arrested will be allowed to march with children, now the kids are back at school
I bet they all have the newest smartphones.
@@iankelly3081 its going to be millions of years yet until the sun dies out.
Billions@@MTCoblivsicas12345
@@MTCoblivsicas12345Another 4.5 billion so they say. We'll be gone in around a billion or so as every billion years the sun outputs 10% more radiation. Look at all the cancers we have today. Couple this with a thinning ozone layer and do you think we can take another 10%? Forget going to other planets as that's never going to happen. The clock's ticking for humans as a species, so enjoy.
The standard of BBC journalism plummets lower and lower.
Totally biased interview - and amazingly RUDE
She was scathing to both not exactly biased
This was the must useful discussion I've seen on the media this week. All the others were laughable and just poked fun at the protest or complained about disruption, completely ignoring the actual issues. This at least discussed some things that did and didn't happen, and what decarbonisation looks like in a relatively serious manner.
@@xxwookey
where was the balance of a view that said - actually the science doesnt support the climate catastrophists beliefs, and certainly not to the catastrophic extent of these crazy people.
@@burgesspark685 Well we are currently heading for catastrophe. We are on track for 3-4C temp rise and that will be catastrophic. Yes the people saying collapse will happen in 10 years are wrong, but note that's not what XR are saying. They are (correctly) saying that we have to _act_ immediately in order to get on track over the next decade for 1.5C total rise, especially allowing for the UK being a leading country on this. The time for that is now incredibly short.
Anyone arguing for further delay, or that this is not in fact now an emergency, is not adding 'balance' at this point - they are just arguing for worse outcomes.
If you don't think our current trajectory will be catastrophic then I suggest you read the IPCC report, or other good quality data sources. But perhaps you are just debating timescales? That fine, but be careful to distinguish between the times when we have to start reducing emissions and the times when the effects start to become unmanageable. The action comes decades before the outcomes, which is where most of the urgency comes from.
The propaganda maschine must be malfunctioning. Time to send in the thought police. Joking aside
until Usa and China dont reduce emission - we are screw......for hundreds of years western countrys used everything to develop their economy. now other countries such India , China , Brazil , or eastern europe want s the same . Very hard time comes.....greed of businesmans is bigger than ever . Polish engineer working about blue coal - and after few years we will have brilliant technology. i hope that some financial illuminati style guys dont interupt this project
well go to them countries and demonstraight no you wont do that will you
@@anthonymeredith7517 There is supposed to be an international rebellion extinction going on across the world including events across the USA right now. I hope the movement is successful.
China is reducing their emissions. Massively so.
Can't stand the reporter, argumentative about everything
I know right, just bottlenecking the discussion
To those of you saying "GET A JOB!"; we do have jobs. But trying to save the planet is more important to us than holidaying. So we're using our allocated annual days off to protest.
Well said, Emma.
@@thedanger8919 Biggest contribution to " greenhouse"gases is ocean ozone,second is dead leaves decomposing,third is methane from livestock.
Good luck in stopping that!
Can you explain why your jobless hippies were handing out leaflets on Waterloo bridge tonight? Leaflets are damaging to the environment and one of your gorgeous protesters told me to fuck off when I said no thank you. You are foul mouthed, ignorant and stupid and handing out paper leaflets to cause more waste and use more resources to create them.
Why aren't you camped on parliament square, downing street or sadiq khans front garden. You're just causing disruption to ordinary people who are just going to hate you for it.
@@silversnow3186 More like hypocrites for you lot. You do realise there is nothing the UK can do as a small island to halt climate change without the cooperation of India, China, USA...you just made yourselves look like utter fools
To all the lads here in the UK, I'm proud to announce dark ages reboot
It's alright, we can prevent it if we take action.
@@darryljones3009 Why would you want to take action? We are the problem. If you really think there is a viable way out then you underestimate human nature, greed will always win.
60% of animals have become extinct since 1970, the trees in Britain are dieing from ash dieback disease, the soil is becoming infertile and the water is contaminated with pharmaceuticals and plastic not to mention the air quality.
Got an opinion on the moon landings?
Morning Star good comment
Stop talking about what’s realistic. Start talking about what’s necessary. Remember: if humans can carry out a mass mobilisation for killing each other (twice), we can carry out a mass mobilisation for helping each other and Mother Earth.
Glorious Bastard and you the mass immigration bit of your argument how?
Wow that was the best BBC reporter I've seen in a long time. Telling that dude to butt out she can form her own argument out was quality.
c'mon. this behaviour is probably part of her childhood protection strategy, where one or more of her primary carers didn't respect what she had to say (or perhaps this was the role modelling she received from her carergiver[s]), so she had to acridly spew it out so it could be heard. the problem is that now she's an adult, talking about serious things where the aim is to have a dialogue which ends up bringing everyone into mutually respectful understandings of each other and ideally collaboration towards the goals of their shared human needs.
I accept there are a lot of local pollution issues, but are all these people aware that it is the sun phases that control the long term climate?
I rather like Chris Packham. Perhaps it is him and Terry Nutkins and Michaela Strachan from my youth, but he is one hell of a communicator.
Do they realise that we are on eof the countries doing the most. We have housing estates that dont emit any pollution and we have the largest off shore wind farms in the world.
@Glorious Bastard the irony haha
Just organize a march through London streets, on the pavements -the massive crowd would still make an impact and they wouldn't be hated
@Awesome Vines Yea but this issue needs a lot more persuasion to get the numbers up, the oil war protest already had the numbers. First you need more people and then you should try to pack more of a punch.
No march ever changed anything, from Aldermaston to Brexit. Governments only listen when they are at serious risk of losing control (e.g. Macron and the gilets jaunes in France). The means must always be proportionate to the ends, and I'd say the threat of human extinction demands exceptional action. Yes, many people are inconvenienced, which is regrettable. But they'll be a good deal more inconvenienced when the flood waters rise and there is no food in the shops. We are not politicians out to woo voters with sugar coated promises. We need people to know the truth, get angry when they realise how politicians have let them down, and act.
@@nicktill9021 Vast majority will not understand the green cause at this stage, all they're going to think is- Oh there goes another group who wants something for themselves. They'd label them middle class hippies and plain dirty hippies and scorn them for making them fry while trying to commute..
@@RoskinGreenrake why should they label a movement that includes mothers and grandmothers, teachers and doctors, artists and sportspersons, "middle-class or dirty hippies"? Perhaps because that's what the Daily Mail tells them? People will fry a good more if we do nothing.
@@nicktill9021 We don't need any help from the media to label people, my point was that they label and then not listen..
To answer some of the interviewer's questions:
1 I agree that it's not great that some people had a two hour delay getting to work (for several days) but what do you think getting to work will look like in 10 year's time? What do you think the nature of work will look like after environmental collapse? Short term pain for long term gain.
2 You asked about how people will heat their homes - the answer is clean renewable energy.
3 The problem with aviation and shipping needs to be addressed with industry leaders - sadly they were not represented in this panel. What needs to happen is industry, airlines and shipping have to address how they will move to clean energy by 2025. Talking to a lawyer and politician isn't enough.
4 Where we get the 2025 number from is via the IPCC stating that we only have 12 years to act. Never mind what Friends of the Earth are saying about whether we can meet the target by 2045, it needs to happen now.
5 When you ask about if we go to clean energy too quickly raising food prices etc, you fail to understand that the ecological collapse that we face risks far worse. Your point is like focusing on a splinter in your finger while ignoring an open wound.
Overall, the interviewer presents an antagonistic style posing problems with the environment movement, rather than addressing this constructively. The media has a role to play in helping society focus on solutions. Sadly they aren't doing that.
Antonio De Soto Perhaps you'd be better asking ,imagine what it'll be like getting to work in ten year's time after we've imported 250,000 immigrants a year?
Perhaps you might also be asking how moving millions from hot Countries to cold ones impacts on power usage.
Oh.never mind it's only a "racist"question to the trendy left,and doesn't suit the narrative.
You're all playing into the hands of the globalists,yet the irony is you don't realise how much you're benefiting them.George Soros must be pleased.
@@davidbarlow350 You're right, let's do nothing and let the planet burn up because "Soros", "lefties" and "globalists". You think 250,000 migrants is a problem now, wait until you see what migration looks like when some parts of the planet gets too hot and uninhabitable.
@@sotosonic413 You really don't get it ,do you.
The whole globalist agenda is open borders and the movement of people from hot Countries to cold ones.This benefits who?The migrants or those in power ?
Aid to these Countries makes them dependent,they get comfortable and they then breed like rabbits.(look beyond your blinkers and look up the damage Live Aid did,and the subsequent famine the ensued).They then migrate,to make Europe like the third world shit hole they left in the first place.
I appreciate your lefty liberal indoctrination won't accept any of this,and you'll keep pushing the agenda the BBC has given you.
Hopefully oneday.you'll think for yourself and wake up to the NWO and those fighting against it.
@@davidbarlow350 Actually it's you who doesn't t get it - we're here to talk about the survival of the planet and how to stop global catastrophe, not the racist paranoia stuff you're spouting. I'm not going to bother responding to you again as it's a waste of time and you're just itching for an excuse to push your agenda which has nothing to do with climate change. Ask yourself what you hoped to achieve by trying to debate with people online - are you hoping they'll change to agree with you? Would you change to agree with them? Didn't think so.... Goodbye and good luck!
@@sotosonic413 Idiot,the "racist parania is exactly why we have problem.
Move people from hot Countries to cold ones,and rapidly increase your polution levels.But you smug virtue signally brainwashed donkeys are too thick to work it out.
On the strength of how much more attractive this protest made parts of London, a writer in the Evening Standard wondered if there couldn't be one traffic free day in C. London every month.
A nice idea of course, but therein lies the problem. In light of the catastrophe faced, It's a bit half hearted where what's needed has to be comprehensive and quick off the mark.
The disruption now is nothing compared to what it will be if we don't take action now
“Within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return [and] a true planetary emergency [due to global warming],” Gore warned while pushing his theory back in January 2006.
@jimmy goody Wake up and do some REAL research it's lies.
CO2 makes up 0.04% of the atmosphere and we contribute 4%. So our contribution is 0.0016%. Hardly enough to have any effect at all let alone end the world in 10 years.
The IPCC just spread lies. Most of their 'scientists' aren't scientists or if they are they are not scientists with any climate connections.
The bought 'scientists' climate models produce the results they were programmed to produce.
Try researching the real factors that affect the climate such as the Milankovich cycles, precession, obliquity, solar flares and sun spots. I don't suppose you or most of the IPCC know about or even bother with any of this.
Clouds of teargas
Start driving bikes,and remember Captain Planet.
The only environment that matters is the rainforest. England has none
The government can't deliver Brexit how can we expect them to do anything about the impending disasters unfolding, make unnecessary plastic packaging a criminal offence now ! Sustainability is the new religion.
Zapp Royce extinction Tax is coming ,we will be saved .
If the government had a 'citizens assembly' for Brexit...the majority would have been disenfranchised.
Aaron Gooding not disenfranchised had the piss taken out of them probably. Anyway whatever happened to the Brexit 50p
and now you see the reason why groups like this support them.
I very much agree with the sentiments of Extinction Rebellion but with the current strategy, it will go the way of #Occupy. Righteous anger unmatched with a follow-up plan that is meaningful for the target audience. 'Disruption' to systems is welcomed at a policy level. Disruption on the ground is alienating. More than ever we need intelligent, and not just symbolic, action.
No we need you to walk out of your job and join the fecking protest.
@David Hargreaves With respect, that's a silly comment. "Breaking the law"? The current rules bind us. Whatever you believe. Rules are necessary and need to be observed. But blind adherence would never have seen eg the birth of the USA or the overthrow of apartheid South Africa. Nothing to do with inviting anarchy and self-harm. The challenge is to know and act on what is important, not just for us as individuals, but for humanity.
... Are people not getting that it is just a vanishing small output from the UK themselfs...
the problem is that we outsource Industries and than call it cutting our emission...
Emission should never be viewed from one countries perspective...
the Atmosphere isn't magicly cut at borders... ???!
wtf are these people learning...
u didn't get the point clearly.
If China would go green now....
whole Europe and US Economy would crumble.
We outsource Industrie and call it cutting Emissions. --> we want china to produce
cheap which also means ... no time effort or money to sustain our enviorment.
We should create a commision to take all those deniers accountable when the time is right.
Such subject can not be put to debate, when scientific community already say so since 30 + years.
We are all responsible but some will hold the responsibility more for holding back the change, remember that.
Middle class hypocrites
That lady spoke very well showing up the establishment establishments self interest and corruption behind the lines👍
that was actually a pretty good segment. interviewer was discriminating towards both panelists' views, they both made convincing arguments and I got the sense the ex-tory minister was genuine in his concern for the environment, which I was preemptively inclined to be respectful of. I don't know many facts about his record. We need to (continue) to do more.
Let's be clear on one thing; the BBC are no longer involved in journalism.
They are a special interest no different than any other lobby organisation or political pressure group.
The BBC has its own political ideology with its own political agenda.
An agenda that it now shamelessly spends hundreds of millions of licence payers pounds to promote and pursue.
In 2016 the BBC's primary agenda was to ensure that Britain remained a member of the European Union.
But despite using all the means at its disposal to scare, shame and bully, 17.4 million Britons defied the BBC and voted to become an independent country once again.
Since then the BBC's agenda has shifted to one of blatant anti-democratic propaganda, in an increasingly overt attempt to undermine, overturn and nullify that historic decision.
How about u write a letter
You are very right - I am an avid listener of Radio 4, but nowadays I am finding myself switching off the Radio more and more as there is no such thing a diversity of views on the BBC.
It is also impossible for them to see their bias as they are so caught in their culture, like religious people tend to be, that they just cannot understand how anyone might have a different view.
The tone is so weird, as is so much of the BBC's journalism these days.
This is an existential risk to civilisation that our leaders are doing almost nothing about. And we're talking about what tactics might be appropriate to get attention? Madness.
It's not about setting "realistic" goals- the laws of physics have set the goals. The protesters are just reporting what science tells us we need to do, at least assuming that we share in common the desire to avoid the death of at least hundreds of millions of people and most of the earth's ecosystem.
If we can't get carbon neutral by 2025 in the UK, a rich country with a vaguely functional state, how the hell is the rest of the world going to do it in time?
If we wait until 2080 to be carbon neutral, as Lord Barker suggests, and seems to think is appropriate, the planet is utterly doomed, even in the opinion of the extremely conservative International Panel for Climate Change.
How somebody who's been following climate change can have avoided understanding this is beyond me, let alone someone who's had authority over our response to it. If I knew that little about my job I'd be sacked faster than I could blink. This is why we're in this mess.
Are you sure the situation is as bad as you say it is? There have been lots of climate doom predictions that haven't happened
j9fo www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models-intermediate.htm
I always find Climate Change protests a bit like the annoying cousins who always points to the obvious problems but provides solutions that aren’t viable.
Kind of not the point. The facts are in. As long as governments refuse to take action. It serves a purpose to disrupt and halt everything else till it becomes painful for the ones controlling governments. (The rich and corporarions) loose enough income to stop take notice and make some notable action.
Let’s hear your solution then we’re all ears
@@manjhasan3253 hey Manaj you rock. And I agree with you let's hear a solution. We've only been waiting and dying for 40 years now.
It's not protesters responsibility to find solutions to the world's climate change. There are scientists, corporations and governments who have experts who can focus on viable solutions. The protesters are trying to force them to stop looking the other way to make a quick buck and actually face up to their responsibilities.
@@yfoog agreed. I have devoted a good deal of my life as a protestor and citizen to make others aware of climate change andnthebissues around it. Though it's not our job it is where you.choose to devote your time to fight the causes you believe in. I agree there are better trained people but you can learn a lot if you decide you want to be educated and informed. I choose to be involved.
the first argument that news reporter had was the cost of money due to the protest when in fact it is our greed for money that is holding us back from making real change...
This entitled journalist really irritated me because she made it her job to force her own arguments and opinions into this piece rather than let the viewer decide their own objective opinion from what the guests had to say. Very rude and should be sacked.
Yes not keen on her fairly new reporter on newsnight
How do you build wind turbines, electric cars, solar panels without using fossil fuels?
... by not using as many of them? Use can use green energy to fuel, wait for it, ways to get more green energy. Doesn't have to be 100% squeaky clean just has to be cleaner than it is current;y
Good people bothering to action, something this conservative government is incapable of.
They are left wing activists using climate change as a scapegoat so they can get their anti conservative views out by protesting
If they would like to get a message across... 🤔 I’m wondering what method of transport they used to arrive at this interview? And why are they not wearing emission free clothing?
Kin Leong well first they need to get their attention
About time people begin protesting.
It is ignorant to protest against climate change aka WEATHER!! Anyone who still has common sense and is not brainwashed knows that climate change simply is just WEATHER. To reduce co2 emmisions just plant trees. Anyone who still has common sense knows that trees eat co2 and in return produces oxygen.
@@reginafontenot600 You have no idea what your saying. Please research before commenting
How many times has Chris Packham flown in the last 12 months? How many staff do the BBC fly to sports events. How many of these people complained about Brexit affecting the shutdown of the diesel car production in Swindon at Honda. However they frame the argument they will be held up to be hypocrites, especially the famous.
@Roger Melly And you're a charmer.
@Roger Melly Apologise for the insult and I might.
@Roger Melly I won't take any more of your time up Roger. You need to save the planet.
They all took the tube and the bus to get to the protest. Many of them make their money from stunts like this.
You can actually see all of the people who take stipends for their time given to the movement on the extinction rebellion website, along with the amounts. Very few people are payed anything in this movement. I'm not sure the fact that people had to take transport to get to the protests makes the protests any less important or valuable. The point of this action is to force the government into action. The scale of the disaster we face is so huge in comparison to the amount of emissions caused by people travelling to the protest that its irrelevant
A strange thing happened. I became more informed about something meaningful by watching Newsnight. Well done, that package.
"Barker also developed strong links to the Russian oil companies, being Head of Communications at the Anglo-Siberian Oil Company from 1998-2000 and also worked in London and Moscow for the Sibneft Oil Group, owned by Roman Abramovich. "
Thanks BBC for great journalism and presenting informed, responsible news people on this show...please bring that sensibility the the US.
10 out of 10 for sarcasm
loved Emma Barnett for this tough questioning and support
Do something NOW!
I work nights, lucky for me but if I were working days I would leave for work a couple of hours earlier.
Why should you spend longer hours going to work because of these lazy bastards 💩💩💩
Not a mention of all the Weather Modification taking place ! Nor the Chemtrails, regularly criss crossing the skies, with no explanation as to what or why.
IAN BANNER because the discussion is mainly focusing on solutions...
Exactly!! Short sighted people! Allies reply proves your point... sweep that under the carpet.. never mind the FACT its probably the main reason for climate change. Shhhhhhh (we dont mention that)
@@calcium150 , I have heard very few solutions . Many impractical suggestions, and the nonsense ad infinitum about Carbon Dioxide and Carbon Taxing. Did you happen to read that NASA, have just published data showing that the slight rise in CO2 , has been greening the planet, aiding and expanding verdancy. ? Tomato and Pepper commercial glasshouses, actually use CO2, they buy tanks of it to raise the CO2 inside, as it increases plant growth and production.
I strongly suggest you look into the amount of weather control and modification that is taking place. Climate Change nee Global Warming is a tissue of lies to distract from enormous and industrial scale operations , that will milk the markets, expand GMO/scientific farming , and cause considerable ecological damage.
Try watching one of Mike Morales videos on You Tube, it may wake you up a little. Don't worry too much if you don't grasp it all, the Powers that Be, like to mess up the soundtrack so as to be out of sync. after some way in. To deter viewers. But the last five minutes, are well worth seeing, to give an idea of the amount of Chemtrailing going on.
Wasn't it twelve years a year ago ? surely it's eleven years, I'm no mathematician admittedly but I know b/s when I smell it.
k windsock yes it is 11 years. read or watch a simple video on the ipcc report there is nothing bs about it.
Ultimately it’s something we need to address because today they block our streets but when London is underwater we won’t be worried about London’s block streets
finally something hopeful coming from britain - inspiring
The cost to businesses and of policing the demo is small change compared to the cost of the ecosystem collapse we face.
It's a front and gimmick for the Greens.
Middle-class mongs.
everybody needs to learn about " the grand solar mimimum"
Yup.
The words “bunch of entitled wankers” come to mind...
The world's dying
Giuseppe J No it isn’t - no life form has the power to destroy entire planets...
@@benusmaximus3601 ah, there it is. Please go read the IPCC report when you have half an hour of time. It's online. It's based on science and facts. Cheers
@@andrewfarrow9707 Watch ten minutes of Bjorn Lomborg if you care about climate change.
@@Bollyumph Mate you are preaching into the choir. Lomborg is just against the ineffective compromise of the Paris agreement as Extinction Rebellion is. Lombog's best bet against climate change is to let it run its course until we're gone past the irreparable threshold (12 years) and in the meantime spending the 75 bln per year in heavy r&d for green energies and other research projects (I remember a talk where he was mentioning someone's research project to create artificial sunshade on the planet like volcanoes do, or to make clouds whiter which is completely not about restoring the ecosystems but quick fixing the symptoms). Actually His initial numbers were about 100 bln a year in research but ofc its completely unrealistic - I will say it's kind of a risky theory but regardless: do you think the government has an agenda as remotely as ambitious as this?
How much garbage was left behind for someone else to clean up?
Well done Extinction Rebellion! It's about time people stop thinking about money and think about the planet! Why are people so narrow minded worrying about money!
We live in a corporate world. Money was needed to make the products for you to buy so you could watch and comment on this video and I guarantee that the planet was not considered when the products were being made and when you brought them. If we are to believe in climate change and an extinction event, we are told that money is the solution. If you really are worried for the planet and the human race, the only species capable of destroying the planet, you have to move out of the corporate world. Give up everything that you have now, find a field, build a log cabin and live off the land.
@Taz Devil they aren't blocked. If you watch their channel they happily move for them
@@x08666 and I already live off grid and home educate for this reason! I do not work either!
@Taz Devil There are routes, trust me. This protest is going to continue no matter how much you fight it.
@Taz Devil so are you suggesting the many doctors and lawyer's involved in the protests have a hidden agenda to kill off the poor and vulnerable?
Coal isnt a fossil fuel????????????
Yes it is
Kudos to the UK for being intelligent, passionate and vigorous about stopping the destruction of our climate.
I'm very sceptical about this movement.The motives of the people who set it up may be very different to what the low level activists who are getting arrested and ruining their employment prospects think they are.
I can smell them though my phone .
If the poorest are at higher risk than anyone else then government should focus helping them first!
MAKE THESE LAZY TRUANTS PLANT TREES - this will be more useful than protesting and exhaling CO2 in vain.
45% tax on petrol, Clean Air Acts 1956 and 1993, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant and makes up about 5% of greenhouse gases and what about 'the pause' blowing the 'hockey stick' out of the water. 'WE' are not the problem. Global poverty is the problem, fix that first and a cleaner environment will follow. AOC's green new deal actually made me laugh so much I fell off my chair. Oh, and the forestry commission systematically cut down trees like Churston woods in Devon.. Planting trees is one solution not double tapping our purses on carbon fuels.
At last some sanity ! You are quite right about CO2 if a 10000 seater stadium represented 100% of greenhouse gases only 4 seats would represent CO2. One coal powered power station produces more energy than all the wind turbines in Denmark .An 18 year pause by the way and hurricanes and tornadoes at an all time low! The IPCC no longer use Mann's hockey stick as it has been categorically been debunked .The real problem is the failure of people like the BBC to allow alternative opinions.Al Gore recently paid $5,000,000 for a beachfront property , obviously extremely concerned about sea level rise.Frauds the bloody lot of them.
Are they from Woodstock
We are the problem, therefore we need to periodically confront our ignorance in the way we go about our day to day. What is the alternative to a society that wishes to stay asleep. Where the government that is tasked with the role of being a public servant, but is as lazy in resolving problems we face as the general public. We all are not facing the real problems, but focus on drama for the masses and the elite wish to accumulate even more wealth. To what end I don't know. Non of us are isolated islands. Also we rely heavily on sound ecosystems. For without them we will perish. Not rocket science..
Far out man !!!!!!!!!!!
A surprisingly unbiased coverage by the bbc, previous coverage on Extinction Rebellion has left me feeling like the presenters are just doing the same old tricks to please there masters then sit there looking smug waiting for the corporate pat on the head.
Please put up a mental health warning before showing Michael Gove in among all these good people. He is palpably a creep.
One get questions, one gets berated.
Love how she said “but people won’t be able to hear there homes!” Sorry lass didn’t realise we’d survived all these years without home heating. Bleeding Georgians must have had it good with underfloor wood fires eh? Can’t survive the cold my arse. Survival of the fittest true nature 👌
Heat* their*
every ten years they say the world going to end in tens years ,
The End of the World is Nigh. oh nooooooo! I protest.
I got a problem with climate protecter's why do they want everyone to eat salad/ worms? . I believe in climate change but telling people you can't eat meat or drive a car is dumb . We're have electricity/ hybrid car's now . The problem with climate change is not technology/ food/ population growth it's new idea's and investment in new technology . If everything was recycle in the UK/ world this would make billion's of pounds/ money and make millions of job's . The way's to making the planet greener is Economic's not banned people from living 🤣
The government must act now….There is not enough being done. I support the demonstrators and will join the next protest. Well done.
Governments can't save planets, you'll have to forfeit your modern life to fall in step with the environmental hoax.
You realise that don't you?
According to distinguished scientists as well as research carried out it is no hoax. I do agree that every individual must play a part and I am making steps to do so. Governments can implement changes to speed up the change to other fuels. For example Norway is already 60% electric cars…way ahead of the UK.
What a load of wasters
Imagine being so worried about climate change then lighting up a joint.....
Britain needs it's own green new deal.
@montysmithtyler have you read AOC's green new deal?
0:16 they can’t get milk to Tesco 🤣🤣
As a kid in the 1970's, you would always see bees, wasps, butterflies, and many other insects in the summertime. IT IS VERY VERY FRIGHTENING how you rarely see these same insects anymore. The planet is dying. We are putting profit and big businesses before this beautiful planet. It is sad, but I believe that the human race will leave it to late to save the planet.
I remember when it was like that too. ladybirds are rare now years ago they were plentiful
DAAMN this is real media! Not like what we have in the US.
Mate, you know literally nothing about UK media. The BBC has covered up pedos for years.
True. The BBC do love a good playground bangaround. They must be secretly run by the Catholic church or something.
How else do you propose to change if people don't protest?!
I cant understand why these people are not promoting ecosystem restoration camps, the people evolved with these camps are turning eroded land back to life, even deserts back to lush fertile land- which means peoples that had to leave these eroded lands can return and work the land to grow food and produce sustainable incomes.