Your pump is making noise because it is above the in/out of the radiator. You should have the radiator in/out above the pump always. There the little air bubbles get stuck in the top of the radiator and smooth operation at the pump ;) Awesome build and killer content as always. I am surprised you don't have 500k subs or more. Keep it up!!
Absolutely gorgeous build! You really can't go wrong with that Fractal North. I built with it back in March of this year using the ProArt Creator Wifi Z790 with the I5-13600k and the Zotac RTX 4070ti. I used a top mounted Cooler Master ML240 Illusion cooler. All the RGB is set to match the gold on the motherboard like you did and the gold on the Zotac matched well, too. I vertically mounted the GPU give it more of a "creator" look and less of a "gaming" look. It's all worked out well and the ML240 keeps it plenty cool.
Just under volted my 13600k by just 1 mv on my Asus B760, using the other microcode thingy option in the bios, droped the temps by 15c with no performance loss or crashing, highly recommend.
Fractal knocked it out of the park with the North and the fact that the pro art boards make a great combination visually even to someone like me that doesn't really care about that kind of thing pretty much says it all. My only complaint is it's sometimes harder to find the mesh panel version of the North (at least in black).
Your channel is so great. Unlike other channels, you don't assume that your viewers have millions and millions of dollars to spend on PC components. You have really good cost savings advice. Much appreciated.
Hey mate, the reason why your AIO is making more noise is because you have the pump/block too high specially having the tubes going down, air will get trapped either in the pump or the top region of the rad ( btw you said 35gb sticks xD )
I'm more likely to build a system into one of those old eMachine "NEVER OBSOLETE" cases. They can still be found in the closets of many homes today. Nobody would want to steal it either. Comedic value is what I plan on but that is one VERY clean looking system. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and to me, this one screams class. First word that comes to mind is whiskey (I don't drink anymore).
Actrully for most of the time, the onboard wifi-card is put on a veriical slot and srewed on the board with a small case/holder, so you can change the wifi card if you wish.
Thanks for this video. I've learned a lot on this one, specially the Phanteks T30 mods to the watercolor in the front where you typically not always want lights (studied them and omg, loved them) and the custom cables (there are cheaper alternatives on Ali). There are some y cables that would have saved you on that last fan on the back. It may be looked clean but that's an important fan place...
Absolutely gorgeous PC. On the topic of the Pump noise, I am fairly certain that the pump is gurgling air inside. You should really rearrange the heatsink to be up top. I know it is a pain, but this way you'll kill your pump in no time.
another interesting video man. I also would like to thank people commenting on this channel to help out with my last build. i5 13 600 k / RTX 4070 Pro art / B 760 Pro Art Creator WIFI / 32 Gb RAM / 2 Tb firecuda 530 Nvme. The PC will be used for gaming & content creation. Will be upgrading the other parts all along (aiming for 64 gb of RAM + 4 Tb additional SSD drive)
I don't know how you made a mistake by mounting the AIO tubes at bottom. I was really hoping that you will change the layout 19:31 I know you're Legend in this, but it could result in increasing Pump Pressure and the flow will be decreased in due time and increase in Fan speed. but still sick built
Nonsense. The top of the radiator is still higher than the pump block. This is the ideal orientation when a top mount isn't possible. Flipping it can work fine but increases the likelihood of air getting pulled thru the barbs, especially as fluid permeates. The effect of the lines being below the pump should be negligible. In either orientation, one line is either pulled or pushed against gravity which a typical AIO should have no problem with. Now there is always the chance of air getting caught in the block regardless. You could manually move the block around to get it out before mounting. Rotating the pump block so air can escape into the outlet could also be beneficial but you'd still want the tubes at the bottom of the rad. TLDR: Avoiding air accumulating in the pump should always be the priority.
Tubes are supposed to go at the bottom, because the opposite part has the air pocket, which should always be above the pump... I also don't understand why that would put more strain on the pump, the amount of water that needs to be moved is the same and the fluid must be moved (in height) by the same distance in either of the two vertical orientations (this is a situation where the fluid is in a state of constant speed). So, the only difference would be when the pump needs to accelerate the flow of the fluid, and I'm not sure if that would even make a difference
this channel not only caters to my hardware specific needs but is also is an island that is far awat from the `gamer` aesthetics that are so atrocious.. ! amazing channel. amazing build.
I will be doing a full pro art build when the 5000 series Nvidia cards come out. I want something that looks like this. You make the best looking pc's.
I have owned the Z790 WiFi version of this board. Honestly it's been a rocky ride that has turned to crap as of a week ago. Been lots of Stability issues which have now escalated to a dead system and the board being returned for evaluation and warranty!
Regarding DDR5 and putting two matching kits together, generally using the XMP and lowering the speeds slightly will work perfectly fine. Try the following: Example DDR5 6800 2x48GB In the BIOS Enable the XMP but change the speed to DDR6600 (test) and lower if necessary to only the highlighted speeds. I'm using two kits of the same g-skill memory that's rated for DDR5 6800 and it's running perfectly fine at DDR5 6600 speeds. CPU-Z J8P8UR
There's nothing wrong with this but the more you lower it the more you should consider knocking at least the primary timings down or you're just giving up performance. Higher speed will obviously have higher timing profiles so leaving them alone just increases latency more and more. You could give it more headroom by slightly raising the DRAM voltage and of course you'll want to run memory tests like y-cruncher to be sure it's stable but you should be doing that regardless with 4 dimms. Intel's memory controller can be frustrating (14th gen does seem better) so at least run a final test overnight to be sure it's fairly stable. Do NOT just wait for something to crash and assume it's fine if it doesn't. Especially on a work system.
@@JJFX- .. AMDs memory controller is extremely worse in comparison to Intel, you'd never be able to run DDR5 6600 with 4X let alone if/barely 2X sticks on the current AMD offerings. Intel DDR5 6600 with 4X sticks is very common, there are "quad" kits, and randomly increasing voltages can damage the CPU and cause instability. As it is, these DDR5 kits are pushing both the OCs and voltages near its limits (1.55V-1.6V).
@@DJaquithFL That is definitely right but I wasn't comparing it, I simply meant frustrating in the sense that instability can take awhile to nail down. The point being that people need to test it more than just playing a game or trying to render a video. Glad you have it dialed in, sounds like a solid setup.
@@JJFX- .. The success or failure is highly dependent on the RAM including its Die (I'm avoiding that debate), BIOS version and CPU (specifically Intel generation 12, 13, 14). I briefly mentioned (testing) which is easily another debate, but for overall "rock solid" stability a full load overnight is generally sufficient. My point is running only a memory testing app alone doesn't guarantee "rock solid" stability. I've never known RAM OC'ing to fail with 3 steps above its rated speed when x2 sticks per channel are filled using kits from the MOBOs QVL list. Example i9-13900K rated DDR5 5600 MT/s so 3 steps is DDR5 6400 memory from the QVL list. Frankly, OC'ing isn't what it used to be because the CPUs and GPUs are already essentially factory overclocked within their stable bin level. Silicon lottery is already pretty much predetermined at the factories. While I can overclock my i9-13900K to nearly 6GHz It's literally drawing twice as much power with a drop of effective additional performance, not to mention turning my PC into a space heater. So if your goal is to simply share synthetic useless benchmarks with your buddies, then go for it. RAM on the other hand, does yield to a point under some uses a benefit with very little additional stresses on the overall system if done properly. In my case, the reason I'm using 4 sticks of RAM versus 2 sticks is purely for aesthetics. I have a high spec system and leaving out two sticks so I can have DDR5 8000 - 8200 is like a supermodel missing her front 2 tooth teeth.
@@DJaquithFL 100% agree that truly stabilizing a memory OC takes more than a single test, my advice was simply to encourage some degree of testing for the average person. I'd say +3 speed bins or so is probably a fair assumption in regards to frequency alone. However it's important to note that Intel's officially supported speeds actually aren't much different than AMD. They only officially support DDR5-5600 for 2x1R. This drops to 5200 for 2x2R and with 2 dimms/4 ranks per channel as you're running, they only support DDR5-3200. They don't make it clear on the spec page so I understand why people assume this but it's all in the SKU support matrix inside the 13th/14th gen datasheet. Most meaningful overclocking is arguably dead but IMO memory overclocking is the last frontier. Many XMP/EXPO profiles are a bit of a joke and you can still push cheap kits near expensive ones. Binning is relevant with Hynix dimms but you'll typically only see differences pushing to the limit and lowering timings like tRP and tRFC. On Ryzen memory is especially beneficial since it's already so limited by latency. The kit I just tested with a 7950X was stable up DDR5-7800 in 1:2 mode but still performs better in most situations at just 6400 30-37-30, 1.43V in 1:1 and geardown disabled. At high voltage it can do 6600 C30 but most can't and that's about where Zen 4 tops out. There is arguably potential with a solid DDR5-8000 OC in 1:2 mode . The potential is obviously far higher on Intel but in my experience with 13th, stabilizing aggressive OC's can be oddly sporadic. On Zen 4, once it's dialed in you really don't see random errors after significant testing (with good thermals). It's fairly obvious when you hit the limit. On Intel it could test stable in everything for days then after some restarts it could throw random errors in just 1-2 hours. Just a strange observation others have noted too but in many other ways it's far less frustrating. To me, both platforms are fun to play with and it'll be a sad day when memory OC'ing goes the way of everything else.
I reeeally love these "creator/professional" look instead those sharp-angle gamery aesthethic. I don't understand why it's still hard to find and somewhat quite expensive.
Looks very nice but please don't ever place the radiator at the bottom. The tube end of the radiator should always be higher than the pump, ideally at the top of the case. If this doesn't work because like in your case it wouldn't fit, place it at the front with the tubes facing up.
This orientation is perfectly fine. Other than the radiator being installed at the bottom of the case, the orientation you're suggesting, while still fine, is the least preferred method.
This is correct, but only because the product in question has the pump inside the CPU block. If the pump is located somewhere else, like in the middle of the tube such as be quiet's Pure Loop, it should be fine.
@@ToxicHAL There's always a little bit of air in your water cooling. Air always gets to the highest point, and when the pump is the highest point, it will be trapped there and 1. make noise (bubbling/dripping/vibration noises) and 2. can be bad for the health of your pump. The amount of air is very low, usually way below 1% but it will increase over time. No material is really sealed so every year your water cooling will lose about 1% of cooling liquid, it will bleed through the tubes on microscopic scale and evaporate at the outside, you will probably never see it but over the years it will sum up in amount lost. Now if you are using a water cooling AIO over years and have the pump being the highest point, it could be that so much air is trapped inside the pump that it gets damages because it kinda runs dry, which must never happen (it will also be kinda loud in comparison). If you make sure the tubes are going upwards and the radiator is the highest point (top mount), the air gets trapped there and makes no problems. Front mount is not ideal but again, when the tubes at least are the highest point it's ok. And then again you might be lucky and for some reason it really doesn't matter in your particular case, which is kinda rare though. I would always try top mount or at least front mount with tubes at top though.
@@theTechNoticehey Sir. Thank you for your nice Video every day. I love it. Beside that I got a question to you. I want buy a ryzen 7800X3D With thermalright Phantom Spirit and RTx 4080 Super (32,8cm length). Would you for that With a pure base 500FX oder Shadow base 800FX? Thanks !
I just ordered my set up and paired the proart Z790 with the i7 14th gen 14700. There are 4 addiitonal cores for £60 difference compared to the 13th gen equivelant.
I'm planning on building something like this after Arrow lake/ ZEN 5 comes out, with 15900K/8950x and Z890/X770e Motherboard, 96gb DDR5, 4070 ti super and 2*2TB Solidigm p44 Pro the 1KW dark power 13 That I have and custom cooling for the CPU with copper pipe, gold-plated fittings and the EK-Quantum Velocity² Lignum Edition. ps. The custom water cooling makes sense for what I do.
While AIO coolers obviously look amazing it's worth noting you can air cool a 14600K without issue since it's well under 200W. Even a mid spec air cooler like a Dark Rock 4 will effortlessly cool a sub 200W CPU and be more quiet at it too. Anyway, just something to note, beautiful build though!
I chose 2x32 64gb 6000 on 14900k for my first actual l creator pc. However I would have done 13900k but they were sold out so I said just get it over with. I bought 990 pro also for my project drive.
Just pointing out that nobody really builds a PC, it is just a case of clipping some bit together. Like a big Lego only a lot more obvious where all the bits go. I find it funny, this video isn't the worst, some you would they had actually created a piece of art, basically all they did it order matching parts and that makes them some sort of genius.
creator and gaming motherboards are bassicly similar motherboards only difference is gaming has more rgb stuff on it and creator boards look like they are similar hardware but with some nice graphics on the board.
Giving away this amazing piece of art to our non-profit magazine, will not only land you a hero on the cover, but also an exclusive interview, as well as the Sponsor of the Year. congratulations :)
Why is Toni Kroos doing pc builds?🤣 On a serious note, your pump makes noise, because the orientation is bad. Put the radiator to the top of the case. The pump must ideally sit at a lower point than your radiator.
This is by far the most overstimated build look i've seen in a long time. Beginning with the case. IMHO, this looks like a PC who would perfectly fit in my grandparents house.
I just upgraded from 9th gen (9900KS) with DDR4 to 14th gen (14900K worth it for my situation) with DDR5. Bought x2 32GB DIMM kits for 64GB System ram and discovered you can't run XMP with 4 sticks with DDR5. Ram drops down to 4000MT/s with that much RAM installed. My old GSkill Trident Z Royal was overclocked to 3600 MT/s. So, I'm technically faster than my old DDR4. I don't know how much of a difference 4000 MT/s would be to say 7800 MT/s using DDR5. I may send these kits back and try to find x2 32GB sticks but the new build seems to be snappy and fast enough for my music production and 4K gaming needs.
@@groenevinger3893 I've been looking for 2 stick DRAM kit that have 64GBs of storage and they are pretty rare; and the ones that do exist have MT speeds near 4800 anyways. The 6000+ MT/s high-speed RAM kits are normally relegated to 32GB. I was able to OC my current GSKILL to 5800MT/s and the system survived repeated memory stress tests in AIDA64. 4800MT/s is the default speed of my GSKILL DRAM kits, so I at least got above that.
I recently made my first PC using components what you had used in one of your video. And it is was awsome experience. My current issue is I want to turn it ON/OFF remotely using my cheaper laptop because the PC uses alot of energy. Is there any tool so that we can able to turn ON/OFF our computer remotely? It would be awsome if u also make one video about it :)
I bought the same MB ProArt B760 yesterday, but I bought an i9 13900k and the GPU was a ProArt RTX4070, my question is, does this card and Motherboard support an i9? Excellent video thank you very much!
Wish they made an itx proart mobo. Ended up going Asus B760-I. Funny booting it up and seeing an rog logo but for a photo editing pc. We also got that exact proart 16gb 4060ti and really were not sure if that was the right move.
Now there is a thing, this is almost the pc I have just built. 14600k 64gb 6000 g skill, gigabyte z790 elite AX X an the 16gb 4060ti 16gb. I think the 4060ti 16gb will have better resale value (time will tell)
Wow I'm building a new machine right now to run Linux Mint, OBS and DaVinci Resolve Studio. This video is very helpful and I'm planning on the Z790 but now have to re-think it. Before yesterday I didn't think you could buy anything that's not geared for gamer's especially NVIDIA. Nothing against gamer's but not everyone on the planet is a gamer so I was amazed to see a MB for Creators! So I love the memory sticks you show but on Amazon and they have the size options but not sure how to sort the Styles? Does that have something to do with when you say don't go for the fastest depending on your setup?
Currently building my first PC thanks to your channel! Im using a Gigabyte z790 aorus master X with an i7-14700k and two 1TB SSD's, one a gen 4 Cardea z440 and the other a gen 5 T-force z540 with a Gigabyte RTX3060 12gb gpu. My question is this, the manual for the motherboard says if I use the 5.0 M2 slot it will reduce my pciex16 to x8. Should I put the SSD there or in one of the other M2 slots? I am learning CAD and 3d modeling, will not be doing any gaming on it.
You have to match Ram Speed, not only for the Motherboard but also for the CPU you using. You using an older CPU 6000mhz ram will probably be to much as why it crashes
certainly a simple and minimalistic approach and look....seems to be all the rage these days. i give it 6 months before the new fad. its a nice office look. idk why all the creators are all against lighting now. lighting is always going to be better.
I was able to get a 5200 MT/s speed with 128GB of G Skill 5600 DDR5 using a 14700K in a Proart Z790 but that is on the very edge. Any more than that is unstable. Seems a little lazy on Intel's part that they couldn't get this right for 4 sticks...especially with a second stab at it with 14th gen.
After making the video I realised I didn't quite talk enough about the Fractal North Case - BEST CASE OF THE YEAR? What do you think?
no.
Cant see those beautiful ram sticks with that case so gonna have to say no. nv5 is the way to go
Everyone knows the case If it's their cup of tea.
No it looks horrific.
Case of the century! It's the most beautiful PC case ever. I only wish they'd have given us a little more room to work with inside.
Your pump is making noise because it is above the in/out of the radiator. You should have the radiator in/out above the pump always. There the little air bubbles get stuck in the top of the radiator and smooth operation at the pump ;)
Awesome build and killer content as always. I am surprised you don't have 500k subs or more. Keep it up!!
Absolutely gorgeous build! You really can't go wrong with that Fractal North. I built with it back in March of this year using the ProArt Creator Wifi Z790 with the I5-13600k and the Zotac RTX 4070ti. I used a top mounted Cooler Master ML240 Illusion cooler. All the RGB is set to match the gold on the motherboard like you did and the gold on the Zotac matched well, too. I vertically mounted the GPU give it more of a "creator" look and less of a "gaming" look. It's all worked out well and the ML240 keeps it plenty cool.
Just under volted my 13600k by just 1 mv on my Asus B760, using the other microcode thingy option in the bios, droped the temps by 15c with no performance loss or crashing, highly recommend.
Or 100mv, can't remember but look for the guide specific for you mobo manufacture, honestly you wont regret it, especially on 14th gen.
Mmmm teach me how😮
Fractal knocked it out of the park with the North and the fact that the pro art boards make a great combination visually even to someone like me that doesn't really care about that kind of thing pretty much says it all. My only complaint is it's sometimes harder to find the mesh panel version of the North (at least in black).
Your channel is so great. Unlike other channels, you don't assume that your viewers have millions and millions of dollars to spend on PC components. You have really good cost savings advice. Much appreciated.
Hey mate, the reason why your AIO is making more noise is because you have the pump/block too high specially having the tubes going down, air will get trapped either in the pump or the top region of the rad ( btw you said 35gb sticks xD )
Yup
Aye, so many things wrong with this build >_
in that case, would flipping the case and then making it back to the upright position, help getting the air out of the pump then to the radiator?
@@eclampsium nope it doesn't help eventually gravity does its thing and the air will be again up
I'm more likely to build a system into one of those old eMachine "NEVER OBSOLETE" cases. They can still be found in the closets of many homes today. Nobody would want to steal it either. Comedic value is what I plan on but that is one VERY clean looking system. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and to me, this one screams class. First word that comes to mind is whiskey (I don't drink anymore).
I’m surprised you only have 185k Subscribers. You’ll definitely get a million or more soon if you keep up this good work (=
Dude i found your channel TODAY and i am sooo addicted. Your PC builds are so damn clean.
So glad you used this case and a rad up front..I'm currently trying to know what fans I can fit to get more airflow and you just proved anything works
Couldn't agree more, Asus ProArt series bring PC component to a whole new design level. Your built is like the S-class series of Mercedes 😉
Love the vibe in the recent videos.
Actrully for most of the time, the onboard wifi-card is put on a veriical slot and srewed on the board with a small case/holder, so you can change the wifi card if you wish.
That is the most beautiful PC I have ever seen, the case is epic
Great quality, great content and always playing in the background.
You also could have used the new gold colored metal-framed Apex Stealth fans from Alphacool that just got released.
Thanks for this video. I've learned a lot on this one, specially the Phanteks T30 mods to the watercolor in the front where you typically not always want lights (studied them and omg, loved them) and the custom cables (there are cheaper alternatives on Ali).
There are some y cables that would have saved you on that last fan on the back. It may be looked clean but that's an important fan place...
Absolutely gorgeous PC. On the topic of the Pump noise, I am fairly certain that the pump is gurgling air inside. You should really rearrange the heatsink to be up top. I know it is a pain, but this way you'll kill your pump in no time.
Would really like to see a noise removal showdown video between this motherboard, nvidias noise removal and AMDs.
Really beautiful...congratulations
another interesting video man. I also would like to thank people commenting on this channel to help out with my last build. i5 13 600 k / RTX 4070 Pro art / B 760 Pro Art Creator WIFI / 32 Gb RAM / 2 Tb firecuda 530 Nvme. The PC will be used for gaming & content creation. Will be upgrading the other parts all along (aiming for 64 gb of RAM + 4 Tb additional SSD drive)
This is the first time I’ve ever seen a hoodie on a PC.
Great build bud! Thanks for your content!
My pleasure!
I don't know how you made a mistake by mounting the AIO tubes at bottom. I was really hoping that you will change the layout 19:31 I know you're Legend in this, but it could result in increasing Pump Pressure and the flow will be decreased in due time and increase in Fan speed. but still sick built
Nonsense. The top of the radiator is still higher than the pump block. This is the ideal orientation when a top mount isn't possible. Flipping it can work fine but increases the likelihood of air getting pulled thru the barbs, especially as fluid permeates. The effect of the lines being below the pump should be negligible. In either orientation, one line is either pulled or pushed against gravity which a typical AIO should have no problem with.
Now there is always the chance of air getting caught in the block regardless. You could manually move the block around to get it out before mounting. Rotating the pump block so air can escape into the outlet could also be beneficial but you'd still want the tubes at the bottom of the rad.
TLDR: Avoiding air accumulating in the pump should always be the priority.
Tubes are supposed to go at the bottom, because the opposite part has the air pocket, which should always be above the pump...
I also don't understand why that would put more strain on the pump, the amount of water that needs to be moved is the same and the fluid must be moved (in height) by the same distance in either of the two vertical orientations (this is a situation where the fluid is in a state of constant speed).
So, the only difference would be when the pump needs to accelerate the flow of the fluid, and I'm not sure if that would even make a difference
Sorry, won’t try to change your mind. I just bought the 4060ti Pro Art GPU. It is stunning. ☝️☝️
Visually looks amazing
The matchy-matchy looks sweet. Next you need to get into hard tubing and venture away from AIOs. 👍😎
this channel not only caters to my hardware specific needs but is also is an island that is far awat from the `gamer` aesthetics that are so atrocious.. ! amazing channel. amazing build.
I will be doing a full pro art build when the 5000 series Nvidia cards come out. I want something that looks like this. You make the best looking pc's.
I have owned the Z790 WiFi version of this board. Honestly it's been a rocky ride that has turned to crap as of a week ago. Been lots of Stability issues which have now escalated to a dead system and the board being returned for evaluation and warranty!
You must have watched Gear Seekers build. Epic and 100% my inspiration for my build.
Regarding DDR5 and putting two matching kits together, generally using the XMP and lowering the speeds slightly will work perfectly fine.
Try the following:
Example DDR5 6800 2x48GB
In the BIOS Enable the XMP but change the speed to DDR6600 (test) and lower if necessary to only the highlighted speeds.
I'm using two kits of the same g-skill memory that's rated for DDR5 6800 and it's running perfectly fine at DDR5 6600 speeds. CPU-Z J8P8UR
There's nothing wrong with this but the more you lower it the more you should consider knocking at least the primary timings down or you're just giving up performance.
Higher speed will obviously have higher timing profiles so leaving them alone just increases latency more and more. You could give it more headroom by slightly raising the DRAM voltage and of course you'll want to run memory tests like y-cruncher to be sure it's stable but you should be doing that regardless with 4 dimms. Intel's memory controller can be frustrating (14th gen does seem better) so at least run a final test overnight to be sure it's fairly stable.
Do NOT just wait for something to crash and assume it's fine if it doesn't. Especially on a work system.
@@JJFX- .. AMDs memory controller is extremely worse in comparison to Intel, you'd never be able to run DDR5 6600 with 4X let alone if/barely 2X sticks on the current AMD offerings.
Intel DDR5 6600 with 4X sticks is very common, there are "quad" kits, and randomly increasing voltages can damage the CPU and cause instability. As it is, these DDR5 kits are pushing both the OCs and voltages near its limits (1.55V-1.6V).
@@DJaquithFL That is definitely right but I wasn't comparing it, I simply meant frustrating in the sense that instability can take awhile to nail down. The point being that people need to test it more than just playing a game or trying to render a video.
Glad you have it dialed in, sounds like a solid setup.
@@JJFX- .. The success or failure is highly dependent on the RAM including its Die (I'm avoiding that debate), BIOS version and CPU (specifically Intel generation 12, 13, 14).
I briefly mentioned (testing) which is easily another debate, but for overall "rock solid" stability a full load overnight is generally sufficient. My point is running only a memory testing app alone doesn't guarantee "rock solid" stability. I've never known RAM OC'ing to fail with 3 steps above its rated speed when x2 sticks per channel are filled using kits from the MOBOs QVL list. Example i9-13900K rated DDR5 5600 MT/s so 3 steps is DDR5 6400 memory from the QVL list.
Frankly, OC'ing isn't what it used to be because the CPUs and GPUs are already essentially factory overclocked within their stable bin level. Silicon lottery is already pretty much predetermined at the factories.
While I can overclock my i9-13900K to nearly 6GHz It's literally drawing twice as much power with a drop of effective additional performance, not to mention turning my PC into a space heater. So if your goal is to simply share synthetic useless benchmarks with your buddies, then go for it. RAM on the other hand, does yield to a point under some uses a benefit with very little additional stresses on the overall system if done properly.
In my case, the reason I'm using 4 sticks of RAM versus 2 sticks is purely for aesthetics. I have a high spec system and leaving out two sticks so I can have DDR5 8000 - 8200 is like a supermodel missing her front 2 tooth teeth.
@@DJaquithFL 100% agree that truly stabilizing a memory OC takes more than a single test, my advice was simply to encourage some degree of testing for the average person.
I'd say +3 speed bins or so is probably a fair assumption in regards to frequency alone. However it's important to note that Intel's officially supported speeds actually aren't much different than AMD. They only officially support DDR5-5600 for 2x1R. This drops to 5200 for 2x2R and with 2 dimms/4 ranks per channel as you're running, they only support DDR5-3200. They don't make it clear on the spec page so I understand why people assume this but it's all in the SKU support matrix inside the 13th/14th gen datasheet.
Most meaningful overclocking is arguably dead but IMO memory overclocking is the last frontier. Many XMP/EXPO profiles are a bit of a joke and you can still push cheap kits near expensive ones. Binning is relevant with Hynix dimms but you'll typically only see differences pushing to the limit and lowering timings like tRP and tRFC.
On Ryzen memory is especially beneficial since it's already so limited by latency. The kit I just tested with a 7950X was stable up DDR5-7800 in 1:2 mode but still performs better in most situations at just 6400 30-37-30, 1.43V in 1:1 and geardown disabled. At high voltage it can do 6600 C30 but most can't and that's about where Zen 4 tops out. There is arguably potential with a solid DDR5-8000 OC in 1:2 mode .
The potential is obviously far higher on Intel but in my experience with 13th, stabilizing aggressive OC's can be oddly sporadic. On Zen 4, once it's dialed in you really don't see random errors after significant testing (with good thermals). It's fairly obvious when you hit the limit. On Intel it could test stable in everything for days then after some restarts it could throw random errors in just 1-2 hours. Just a strange observation others have noted too but in many other ways it's far less frustrating. To me, both platforms are fun to play with and it'll be a sad day when memory OC'ing goes the way of everything else.
I like ProArt style mush butter than Rog style beautiful and class
Definitely looks amazing with black/gold! but i'm a sucker for white build's
Surprisingly this isn’t as expensive as I thought it would be.
How much is this build?
It does look simply amazing! Great job
I reeeally love these "creator/professional" look instead those sharp-angle gamery aesthethic. I don't understand why it's still hard to find and somewhat quite expensive.
Dont put tub down on pomp my frend, right on horizontal is better ,tub down on Rad is perfect side 😊
This is nuts, I just bought these same parts but better hopefully. Proart x870e, 9950x, 192 same ram same cooler...
Wrong case for a 360mm AIO... You need a case for fitting on top ;-)
the pc total chills the gold and black
Looks very nice but please don't ever place the radiator at the bottom. The tube end of the radiator should always be higher than the pump, ideally at the top of the case. If this doesn't work because like in your case it wouldn't fit, place it at the front with the tubes facing up.
I keep seeing conflicting info. Some say that it doesn’t matter. Can you elaborate on why it’s a bad idea?
This orientation is perfectly fine. Other than the radiator being installed at the bottom of the case, the orientation you're suggesting, while still fine, is the least preferred method.
This is correct, but only because the product in question has the pump inside the CPU block. If the pump is located somewhere else, like in the middle of the tube such as be quiet's Pure Loop, it should be fine.
@@ToxicHAL There's always a little bit of air in your water cooling. Air always gets to the highest point, and when the pump is the highest point, it will be trapped there and 1. make noise (bubbling/dripping/vibration noises) and 2. can be bad for the health of your pump. The amount of air is very low, usually way below 1% but it will increase over time. No material is really sealed so every year your water cooling will lose about 1% of cooling liquid, it will bleed through the tubes on microscopic scale and evaporate at the outside, you will probably never see it but over the years it will sum up in amount lost. Now if you are using a water cooling AIO over years and have the pump being the highest point, it could be that so much air is trapped inside the pump that it gets damages because it kinda runs dry, which must never happen (it will also be kinda loud in comparison). If you make sure the tubes are going upwards and the radiator is the highest point (top mount), the air gets trapped there and makes no problems. Front mount is not ideal but again, when the tubes at least are the highest point it's ok.
And then again you might be lucky and for some reason it really doesn't matter in your particular case, which is kinda rare though. I would always try top mount or at least front mount with tubes at top though.
Mate, I would poo my pants if I had a computer like this
It's a nice build but I think you mounted your AIO wrong, you need to rotate the cooler so the tubes are up and going down to the pump.
100% correct ,, BAD error for someone that has experience
sure wish they made some gaming boards etc. that were that clean looking.
If a bee's nest wanted air in their pump then this is the one!
I am waiting the day, when you do a full ASUS PRO ART build in their new "asus proart PA602 case". also with their unreleased liquid cooler 😁😁
That would be cool!
@@theTechNoticehey Sir. Thank you for your nice Video every day. I love it. Beside that I got a question to you. I want buy a ryzen 7800X3D With thermalright Phantom Spirit and RTx 4080 Super (32,8cm length). Would you for that With a pure base 500FX oder Shadow base 800FX? Thanks !
I just ordered my set up and paired the proart Z790 with the i7 14th gen 14700. There are 4 addiitonal cores for £60 difference compared to the 13th gen equivelant.
I'm planning on building something like this after Arrow lake/ ZEN 5 comes out, with 15900K/8950x and Z890/X770e Motherboard, 96gb DDR5, 4070 ti super and 2*2TB Solidigm p44 Pro the 1KW dark power 13 That I have and custom cooling for the CPU with copper pipe, gold-plated fittings and the EK-Quantum Velocity² Lignum Edition. ps. The custom water cooling makes sense for what I do.
While AIO coolers obviously look amazing it's worth noting you can air cool a 14600K without issue since it's well under 200W. Even a mid spec air cooler like a Dark Rock 4 will effortlessly cool a sub 200W CPU and be more quiet at it too. Anyway, just something to note, beautiful build though!
Good idea to ask whether we "hear" the noise and talk over it ruining any possible effort. Thanks
I learned the hard way. Installing a WiFi 6e m.2 card into a z790 lightning d4 without WiFi. You can easily break the wires.
8:50 LOL - I have to agree.
Just wish these things come in ITX and/or low profile form factor.
I chose 2x32 64gb 6000 on 14900k for my first actual l creator pc. However I would have done 13900k but they were sold out so I said just get it over with. I bought 990 pro also for my project drive.
Tubes up is incorrect installation.
None of the Galahad 2 reviews had an issue with pump noice. I think it’s bc it’s on the bottom and air is trapped.
Noise in pump probably air trapped, going to have to move the whole case around and upside down to get them out the pump. you didn't know that?
Just pointing out that nobody really builds a PC, it is just a case of clipping some bit together.
Like a big Lego only a lot more obvious where all the bits go.
I find it funny, this video isn't the worst, some you would they had actually created a piece of art, basically all they did it order matching parts and that makes them some sort of genius.
I was waiting for that cooler to fall over on top of your motherboard. Glad it didn’t!
Cooler pump will die pretty fast ,,TOP ( tube connect) MUST always be higher than pump head
creator and gaming motherboards are bassicly similar motherboards only difference is gaming has more rgb stuff on it and creator boards look like they are similar hardware but with some nice graphics on the board.
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Imagine this build with a chromax version Noctua GPU would be awesome
absolutely beautiful setup :3
Why is Toni Kroos doing pc builds?🤣 On a serious note, your pump makes noise, because the orientation is bad. Put the radiator to the top of the case. The pump must ideally sit at a lower point than your radiator.
This is by far the most overstimated build look i've seen in a long time. Beginning with the case. IMHO, this looks like a PC who would perfectly fit in my grandparents house.
8:50 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yep pump has to be above CPU or less performance and more noise
Imagine something like this in ITX/SFF
Thought about doing the same build with a z790 pro art and a 12900ks paired with a 4080 pro art... sadly they ran out of stock...
By far the most stunning creator PC build hands down. But I want to know, is it worth it to buy RTX 4060 Ti 16GB over RX 7800 XT for video editing?
Nope :)
I just upgraded from 9th gen (9900KS) with DDR4 to 14th gen (14900K worth it for my situation) with DDR5. Bought x2 32GB DIMM kits for 64GB System ram and discovered you can't run XMP with 4 sticks with DDR5. Ram drops down to 4000MT/s with that much RAM installed. My old GSkill Trident Z Royal was overclocked to 3600 MT/s. So, I'm technically faster than my old DDR4. I don't know how much of a difference 4000 MT/s would be to say 7800 MT/s using DDR5. I may send these kits back and try to find x2 32GB sticks but the new build seems to be snappy and fast enough for my music production and 4K gaming needs.
4000 is pretty slow, are you sure nothing else is wrong configured? 2x32gb would be better
@@groenevinger3893 I've been looking for 2 stick DRAM kit that have 64GBs of storage and they are pretty rare; and the ones that do exist have MT speeds near 4800 anyways. The 6000+ MT/s high-speed RAM kits are normally relegated to 32GB. I was able to OC my current GSKILL to 5800MT/s and the system survived repeated memory stress tests in AIDA64. 4800MT/s is the default speed of my GSKILL DRAM kits, so I at least got above that.
I recently made my first PC using components what you had used in one of your video. And it is was awsome experience.
My current issue is I want to turn it ON/OFF remotely using my cheaper laptop because the PC uses alot of energy.
Is there any tool so that we can able to turn ON/OFF our computer remotely?
It would be awsome if u also make one video about it :)
I bought the same MB ProArt B760 yesterday, but I bought an i9 13900k and the GPU was a ProArt RTX4070, my question is, does this card and Motherboard support an i9? Excellent video thank you very much!
Wish they made an itx proart mobo. Ended up going Asus B760-I. Funny booting it up and seeing an rog logo but for a photo editing pc. We also got that exact proart 16gb 4060ti and really were not sure if that was the right move.
Now there is a thing, this is almost the pc I have just built. 14600k 64gb 6000 g skill, gigabyte z790 elite AX X an the 16gb 4060ti 16gb. I think the 4060ti 16gb will have better resale value (time will tell)
Nice build but would have take the Proart LC-420 as a cooler.
tubes top vs tubes down is not a matter of aesthetics, gamersnexus explains
there are differences in 13 to 14 with some coing and also some config for being able to to more accurate diagnostic inside windows
You have to Test the new "Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO" ❤
How much did this build cost ?
I love gooooold Mr. Pesur.
Wow I'm building a new machine right now to run Linux Mint, OBS and DaVinci Resolve Studio. This video is very helpful and I'm planning on the Z790 but now have to re-think it.
Before yesterday I didn't think you could buy anything that's not geared for gamer's especially NVIDIA. Nothing against gamer's but not everyone on the planet is a gamer so I was amazed to see a MB for Creators!
So I love the memory sticks you show but on Amazon and they have the size options but not sure how to sort the Styles?
Does that have something to do with when you say don't go for the fastest depending on your setup?
Miss information there one can change the wifi card even if its located in the I/O at the back.
Currently building my first PC thanks to your channel! Im using a Gigabyte z790 aorus master X with an i7-14700k and two 1TB SSD's, one a gen 4 Cardea z440 and the other a gen 5 T-force z540 with a Gigabyte RTX3060 12gb gpu. My question is this, the manual for the motherboard says if I use the 5.0 M2 slot it will reduce my pciex16 to x8. Should I put the SSD there or in one of the other M2 slots? I am learning CAD and 3d modeling, will not be doing any gaming on it.
also, would I be much better off with a different GPU such as a Proart 4060 8gb?
I can have in detail the codes of the black/gold cables for the various connections. so I can order them the same. thanks so much
You have to match Ram Speed, not only for the Motherboard but also for the CPU you using. You using an older CPU 6000mhz ram will probably be to much as why it crashes
certainly a simple and minimalistic approach and look....seems to be all the rage these days. i give it 6 months before the new fad. its a nice office look. idk why all the creators are all against lighting now. lighting is always going to be better.
functionality over form - looks don't matter as long as it runs
You are my best référence
How come you don't like the Fractal fans?
Which color are these custom cables?
My question is, Is a good mobo worth more than the CPU? That too quite much. Let me know reasonings.
I was able to get a 5200 MT/s speed with 128GB of G Skill 5600 DDR5 using a 14700K in a Proart Z790 but that is on the very edge. Any more than that is unstable. Seems a little lazy on Intel's part that they couldn't get this right for 4 sticks...especially with a second stab at it with 14th gen.
hans peder sahl custom builds are probably the most beautiful PCs ever built, "Period"
Well you installed the CPU cooler wrong pump has to be above CPU or less preformance and more noise !!!
Why would anyone make or buy a mobo without onboard wifi/Bluetooth? That should be standard across all mobos.
Your videos are amazing! But I'm so freaking sick of the adverts every 5 minutes... c'mon man!
great looking PC. but omg, no dark mode in Windows 👀
Good point!
looks like my gran gran mother radio.