The money is not in trucking hasn't been since 80s. We should be able to retire with pride dignity and take care of our families children. Minimum pay for otr should be 200k plus local 125k k plus. You got idiots in office or home making more money. Idc if you sleeping in truck or waiting at dock shop you should get paid. Local there's law says it's legal not to pay Truckers overtime after 40. Only field straight up discrimination. I'm local flatbed by the hour overtime after 40. I blame drivers for taking bad jobs pays.
Getting a dryvan or reefer driver to do more than just opening a door, backing into a dock then running back into the sleeper is damn near impossible. Good luck
When I drove flatbed, the company that I drove for offered curtain vans, roll tops and open decks. As a driver, you need to determine what your company is likely to haul before you make a choice. Being on the west coast, we hauled a lot of green lumber. 6-8 straps and you're gone. Feeding the straps thru the rail on a roll top and then fcking with opening and shutting it can turn a 15 minute load/tie down into an hour plus. Tarping sucks... but so does screwing around with curtains and roll tops on "no-tarp" loads.
Really appreciate this channel, hoping someone can clear up some confussion. In a previous video Ronen claimed that his Cascadias were getting 8+ miles to gallon and this was one of the reason against older trucks. In this video Ronen states that the trucks used in this analasys were gettin 6.5 to 7 mpg. I love the older trucks because I am able to work on them, but I was considering a Cascadia simply based on the performance and fuel claims.
Love how you explain everything in your videos. I’m in a different situation with my job than the average driver myself, I only move equipment and materials for the company I work for and 90% of it is over dimension. So it’s like pulling parachutes through the wind. So terrible fuel economy no matter what you do or what you have for a tractor. Now if I had to go back to a regular driving job I would 100% suck it up and drive an aerodynamic unit with a rolltite system.
You obviously are not watching the video correctly. He deducted truck monthly payment plus fuel monthly ,insurance monthly, trailer monthly , tolls and bridges aren’t a lot but added so you have to add that’s all up then subtract that from the 27k for either dryvan or flat bed
Flatbed loads are heavier that’s on fuel , sometimes you catch nails and bolts on your tires , 1 tire cost $400 aprxm. More downtime with flats, so, plus-minus Dry and Flats are almost the same $$$ Flats more headache but healthier
Flat bed..combination light weight has to be close to 29K to be legal with 48K+ loads. tarps are 70lbs each min 3 on the truck. plus all the straps and chains and associated hardware 600lbs+
Canada here. 0,45 cad per mile (I'm new to industry, just 2,5 months here). 2000 miles per week. Grain haul, driving super b. How do you think, is it good wage for beginners?
@@twitchbearoutdoors652 all ower Canada - ON, MB, SK, AB, BC. So far I love everything in this kind of job👍 even though I got 4 engine shut down in last 1,5 month I appreciate earning a lots of experience including mountains diving in winter conditions. Waiting for US visa interview on May this year. The plan is to try negotiate my payment after 6 months of exp in industry and having US availability. Anyway, I will try to ask to raise my payment to 0,48 after 3 months of work to check if I can make a deal with my employer 😏 Actually I dreamed to become a truck driver and here I am living in my dream☺️
@@twitchbearoutdoors652 all ower Canada - ON, MB, SK, AB, BC. So far I love everything in this kind of job👍 even though I got 4 engine shut down in last 1,5 month I appreciate earning a lots of experience including mountains diving in winter conditions. Waiting for US visa interview on May this year. The plan is to try negotiate my payment after 6 months of exp in industry and having US availability. Anyway, I will try to ask to raise my payment to 0,48 after 3 months of work to check if I can make a deal with my employer 😏
Yes that’s good and salute to you for not just being another generic dryvan/reefer driver joining the rat race. Most new drivers think those are the only two divisions in trucking
Worst ever comparison I have seen in my life. Company owners always hate owner operators they want company drivers to use as slave. Do not listen to these kind of comparisons. Owner operators are making far batter than company driver & entire industry knows it.
If you are trained how to strap items down, then go for it. It can easily cost you your life if you don't strap cargo down properly. Look up "suicide coils". If you follow instruction, you will be fine.
If you are trained by someone to properly strap down loads (i.e. racks, coils, wood, etc) you will be fine. However, it may cost you your life if you don't properly strap items down. Look up "$uic!de coils" (I think my previous reply was taken down for that word) if you follow instruction, you will be fine.
I started with flat bed and still do it.better pay and health. Everyone who says no is to fat,old and out of shape and only gets out the truck to open doors or pull the release pin.most dry van/reefer guys I never even see do a pre trip.they wakeup start their trucks at the truck stop and drive off.i see it every day.
My avg for the past month was 3100 miles a week doing flatbed.most of my loads are drop n hook pretarped.i throw a few extra straps and haul ass.delivery wastes about 1.5 hrs avg out of my day so I try to get to the reciever the night before and don't start my clock until I'm unloaded.
These numbers, in either division, will seem great to the barrista at Starbucks, some forklift operators, local public librarians and many others. At a 132,000 mile/ work year pace, it will take the new driver less than three months to figure out that he is not working a full-time job only, but two full-time jobs, with a third full-time job as night watchman for cargo, power unit, fuel and trailer, and that while sitting next to epsilon semi-moron drivers who idle their engines all night, every night. The (quality) sleep deprivation will gradually destroy any intelligence the driver started out with, dementia numbers going way up, etc., etc., all in exchange for what works out to be a near minimum wage job.
There’s this thing called noise cancellation headphones I would highly invest in something like that . And being a watchman for your load is on you !! That’s why you have insurance
I find that America is like a niche of their own and that they have rather specific interests that they try to meet, that may not be the reason but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
Great video but however, you be lucky to get 6000 miles a month. The loads are not paying that much right now. So basically I see you have to cut all the numbers you told us in half.🙏🏽🚛🇺🇸, the market is over saturated we don’t need any more drivers anymore. People getting in is more drivers than work right now.
You like conestoga trailers because you don’t have to pay tarp pay. Not having to tarp benefits the driver and makes their job easier but doesn’t make you more money.
@@classicxl gotcha man well I'm in the US and if you're in a big metro city that's the go to CDL job that pays the most and you're home every night. Even before getting my CDL I wanted to be local LTL but would hire me due to experience so I went regional unfortunately for about 9 months which where not that great due to low pay and a lot of time not payed because of the beautiful thing the trucking industry has called CPM pay lol
another great video, but. I drive midwest to east coast a bit and in 1 month had 1000 bucks in tolls. Is that normal, no. But if you drive Ill, Ind, Oh, NY and Ma on a trip you will pay big tolls.
I think he made a mistake in the video, Why is the company driver getting fuel deduction and insurance? 4k seems kinda low if you're getting .65 a mile. I live in Ontario Canada and most companies are paying between .55 to .60 a mile not .65 unless it's flatbed. They don't even want to pay that much for flatbed. Then you have companied paying .41 to .47 a mile. Occasionally i see job posting offering .30 a mile for team but i just block them that's waste of my time.
I’ll tell you where the money isn’t at in 2024, Mickey Mouse cookie cutter general freight loads, whether that be flatbed or van. You love to crunch all these numbers and compare statistics but you have no experience in specialized loads. There’s levels to this game my friend. You wanna dog long nose trucks as unpractical as if the only freight out there is the rinky dink loads y’all run. Those numbers make sense in your little lane but like I said there are levels to the game
$1800 more a month to be securing loads in the heat or the freezing temperatures? That's to the company driver call to make, mean while with a used pre emission truck and a cheap dry van probably making more than double of that 😂😂 i think romen meed to make 2 types of videos, one for big fleets and others one for small fleet or single member fleet because their is not 1 formula for everyone
I run 31-3200 miles a week flatbed 🤣 I never wait for loads.they are preloaded.i throw some extra straps and haul ass.i get to the reciever the night before. So I don't have to start my clock until I'm unloaded wich takes 1.5 hrs on avg. I gotta roll a few straps and couple tarps big deal.most the places we deliver to are closed weekends for deliveries so my company guarantees weekends home and does a dam good job getting everyone home friday.i take on extra loads and run the weekends. Nothing like starting your week with an extra 800-1000 miles and just run on recap for weeks then take 5 days off.
But you said, the next pay BEFORE taxes, if u make more revenue, you pay more in taxes. So technically the flatbed driver makes the same as a van driver, (if not less) after taxes are we paid!
The money is not in trucking hasn't been since 80s. We should be able to retire with pride dignity and take care of our families children. Minimum pay for otr should be 200k plus local 125k k plus. You got idiots in office or home making more money. Idc if you sleeping in truck or waiting at dock shop you should get paid. Local there's law says it's legal not to pay Truckers overtime after 40. Only field straight up discrimination. I'm local flatbed by the hour overtime after 40. I blame drivers for taking bad jobs pays.
What’s the best way a new driver going into flatbed can make good money ?
Everytime I enter a new trade looks like I made a bad choice
Getting a dryvan or reefer driver to do more than just opening a door, backing into a dock then running back into the sleeper is damn near impossible. Good luck
When I drove flatbed, the company that I drove for offered curtain vans, roll tops and open decks. As a driver, you need to determine what your company is likely to haul before you make a choice. Being on the west coast, we hauled a lot of green lumber. 6-8 straps and you're gone. Feeding the straps thru the rail on a roll top and then fcking with opening and shutting it can turn a 15 minute load/tie down into an hour plus. Tarping sucks... but so does screwing around with curtains and roll tops on "no-tarp" loads.
Really appreciate this channel, hoping someone can clear up some confussion. In a previous video Ronen claimed that his Cascadias were getting 8+ miles to gallon and this was one of the reason against older trucks. In this video Ronen states that the trucks used in this analasys were gettin 6.5 to 7 mpg. I love the older trucks because I am able to work on them, but I was considering a Cascadia simply based on the performance and fuel claims.
That was an awesome video! This is the kinda knowledge we all need. Keep a truckin ya’ll
More to come! Thanks
Where the hell did you get .65 cpm average
up his ass just like the 3000 miles a week guaranteed for 1 year straight.
Love how you explain everything in your videos.
I’m in a different situation with my job than the average driver myself, I only move equipment and materials for the company I work for and 90% of it is over dimension. So it’s like pulling parachutes through the wind.
So terrible fuel economy no matter what you do or what you have for a tractor. Now if I had to go back to a regular driving job I would 100% suck it up and drive an aerodynamic unit with a rolltite system.
Because that only makes sense financially for everyone right.
thanks for watching, glad to help!
There’s also securement gear with flatbeds. Probably $2k-$2500 to add on to the trailer cost and re roll tite.
He added that it’s $1700 for the reefer with the condastoga
What percentage are you taking to go from 27k down to 8k then deductions that’s a little bit steep
You obviously are not watching the video correctly. He deducted truck monthly payment plus fuel monthly ,insurance monthly, trailer monthly , tolls and bridges aren’t a lot but added so you have to add that’s all up then subtract that from the 27k for either dryvan or flat bed
Flatbed loads are heavier that’s on fuel , sometimes you catch nails and bolts on your tires , 1 tire cost $400 aprxm. More downtime with flats, so, plus-minus Dry and Flats are almost the same $$$
Flats more headache but healthier
There's pros and cons to it all
Flat bed..combination light weight has to be close to 29K to be legal with 48K+ loads. tarps are 70lbs each min 3 on the truck. plus all the straps and chains and associated hardware 600lbs+
Yuppppp
Canada here. 0,45 cad per mile (I'm new to industry, just 2,5 months here). 2000 miles per week. Grain haul, driving super b.
How do you think, is it good wage for beginners?
beginner okay, where are you driving?
@@twitchbearoutdoors652 all ower Canada - ON, MB, SK, AB, BC. So far I love everything in this kind of job👍 even though I got 4 engine shut down in last 1,5 month I appreciate earning a lots of experience including mountains diving in winter conditions. Waiting for US visa interview on May this year. The plan is to try negotiate my payment after 6 months of exp in industry and having US availability. Anyway, I will try to ask to raise my payment to 0,48 after 3 months of work to check if I can make a deal with my employer 😏
Actually I dreamed to become a truck driver and here I am living in my dream☺️
@@twitchbearoutdoors652 all ower Canada - ON, MB, SK, AB, BC. So far I love everything in this kind of job👍 even though I got 4 engine shut down in last 1,5 month I appreciate earning a lots of experience including mountains diving in winter conditions. Waiting for US visa interview on May this year. The plan is to try negotiate my payment after 6 months of exp in industry and having US availability. Anyway, I will try to ask to raise my payment to 0,48 after 3 months of work to check if I can make a deal with my employer 😏
Yes that’s good and salute to you for not just being another generic dryvan/reefer driver joining the rat race. Most new drivers think those are the only two divisions in trucking
@@user-FTRU6GJ I don't care what to drive😁 Driving it self make me happy 😊
Im RGN heavy haul. I'd never ever be a door dummy! Its embarrassing out here at the moment.
Worst ever comparison I have seen in my life. Company owners always hate owner operators they want company drivers to use as slave. Do not listen to these kind of comparisons. Owner operators are making far batter than company driver & entire industry knows it.
Is flat bed good for a beginner
If you are trained how to strap items down, then go for it. It can easily cost you your life if you don't strap cargo down properly. Look up "suicide coils". If you follow instruction, you will be fine.
If you are trained by someone to properly strap down loads (i.e. racks, coils, wood, etc) you will be fine. However, it may cost you your life if you don't properly strap items down. Look up "$uic!de coils" (I think my previous reply was taken down for that word) if you follow instruction, you will be fine.
not unless you are in GREAT shape!
No, learning how to drive a truck, back and run logs first, no need to die bc your not focused on securement
I started with flat bed and still do it.better pay and health. Everyone who says no is to fat,old and out of shape and only gets out the truck to open doors or pull the release pin.most dry van/reefer guys I never even see do a pre trip.they wakeup start their trucks at the truck stop and drive off.i see it every day.
How you only pay 35 for tolls going from Chicago to Nj easy 300 tolls one way😂😂
You save more money by obtaining a membership for the toll company they charge you much less than a truck just driving thru the tolls
Even if you get the ezpass it is 300 bucks through the turnpike. If you have more info let me know what is the membership or where to get it
I think assuming flatbed and dry van drivers do the same amount of miles is disingenuous.
My avg for the past month was 3100 miles a week doing flatbed.most of my loads are drop n hook pretarped.i throw a few extra straps and haul ass.delivery wastes about 1.5 hrs avg out of my day so I try to get to the reciever the night before and don't start my clock until I'm unloaded.
How if it’s a assumption
Yeah crazy we only avg like 2400 miles I’d say In dry can
You truckers spelling is horrendous at least use auto correct sheesh
That is the decision I made😊
Oh the month I had a grand in tolls, the company, 7 trucks, had 3 grand total.
Lol... both numbers are a joke. I can't believe I started my own authority. What was I thinking???
These numbers, in either division, will seem great to the barrista at Starbucks, some forklift operators, local public librarians and many others. At a 132,000 mile/ work year pace, it will take the new driver less than three months to figure out that he is not working a full-time job only, but two full-time jobs, with a third full-time job as night watchman for cargo, power unit, fuel and trailer, and that while sitting next to epsilon semi-moron drivers who idle their engines all night, every night. The (quality) sleep deprivation will gradually destroy any intelligence the driver started out with, dementia numbers going way up, etc., etc., all in exchange for what works out to be a near minimum wage job.
Well said.
There’s this thing called noise cancellation headphones I would highly invest in something like that . And being a watchman for your load is on you !! That’s why you have insurance
Diesel price increase will change all calculations, and it has been increased since January
You should get tarp pay for owning a Conestoga because you're paying a premium for the Conestoga.
The bottom line there's too many trucks on the road. Nothing gonna change. Keep trying to save the bone And see how far you get
I have always wondered why the American Market has never used the European curtainsider trailers, do you know why this is?
I find that America is like a niche of their own and that they have rather specific interests that they try to meet, that may not be the reason but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
I'm in the GTA
Nice!
I think I’m making .51 a mile company dry van.
Great video but however, you be lucky to get 6000 miles a month. The loads are not paying that much right now. So basically I see you have to cut all the numbers you told us in half.🙏🏽🚛🇺🇸, the market is over saturated we don’t need any more drivers anymore. People getting in is more drivers than work right now.
Thanks
When are you gonna be hiring O/O for you flat bed division?
Send us an email to recruiting@ettransport.ca with your information and we can contact you whenever more positions are made available
I dont like conestogas. They look weird. I prefer tarping.
As long as it works for you!
You like conestoga trailers because you don’t have to pay tarp pay. Not having to tarp benefits the driver and makes their job easier but doesn’t make you more money.
The easy answer is... go Local LTL 30$hr!!!
not in Ontario canada very few paying any where near that
@@classicxl gotcha man well I'm in the US and if you're in a big metro city that's the go to CDL job that pays the most and you're home every night. Even before getting my CDL I wanted to be local LTL but would hire me due to experience so I went regional unfortunately for about 9 months which where not that great due to low pay and a lot of time not payed because of the beautiful thing the trucking industry has called CPM pay lol
another great video, but. I drive midwest to east coast a bit and in 1 month had 1000 bucks in tolls. Is that normal, no. But if you drive Ill, Ind, Oh, NY and Ma on a trip you will pay big tolls.
Awesome video
thank you!
How to make more money? Easy, just leave the trucking industry 😃
I tarp I drive a flatbed trailer it’s not bad at all but Canada must be different with weather but it really isn’t hard work at all
Is possible to give tanker rates?
I think he made a mistake in the video, Why is the company driver getting fuel deduction and insurance? 4k seems kinda low if you're getting .65 a mile. I live in Ontario Canada and most companies are paying between .55 to .60 a mile not .65 unless it's flatbed. They don't even want to pay that much for flatbed. Then you have companied paying .41 to .47 a mile. Occasionally i see job posting offering .30 a mile for team but i just block them that's waste of my time.
Where do I apply? Can’t find you on ten street
I’ll tell you where the money isn’t at in 2024, Mickey Mouse cookie cutter general freight loads, whether that be flatbed or van. You love to crunch all these numbers and compare statistics but you have no experience in specialized loads. There’s levels to this game my friend. You wanna dog long nose trucks as unpractical as if the only freight out there is the rinky dink loads y’all run. Those numbers make sense in your little lane but like I said there are levels to the game
Why do you not talk about tankers
$1800 more a month to be securing loads in the heat or the freezing temperatures? That's to the company driver call to make, mean while with a used pre emission truck and a cheap dry van probably making more than double of that 😂😂 i think romen meed to make 2 types of videos, one for big fleets and others one for small fleet or single member fleet because their is not 1 formula for everyone
I'm sorry, not the next pay, the net pay
Flatbed isnt going to turn around as fast as a van, so id say it wouldn't do the same mileage.
I run 31-3200 miles a week flatbed 🤣 I never wait for loads.they are preloaded.i throw some extra straps and haul ass.i get to the reciever the night before. So I don't have to start my clock until I'm unloaded wich takes 1.5 hrs on avg. I gotta roll a few straps and couple tarps big deal.most the places we deliver to are closed weekends for deliveries so my company guarantees weekends home and does a dam good job getting everyone home friday.i take on extra loads and run the weekends. Nothing like starting your week with an extra 800-1000 miles and just run on recap for weeks then take 5 days off.
Is that Canadian dollar you are using ?
No he also runs operations in the US.
He hardly ever mentions canadian driver pay it’s all in u.s. dollars
Flatbed more pay for tarping
I totally disagree with your numbers be realistic! Lol
This was a calculation made in February so there's a lot of changes to account for now. We'll do an updated video soon!
❤❤ Hi Ronan ❤❤
I have a question: Can a holder of an open work permit in Canada To work as a truck driver after obtaining a Canadian licence
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Both owner operator are broke, it is better to be a driver this days
Trucking is bs
But you said, the next pay BEFORE taxes, if u make more revenue, you pay more in taxes. So technically the flatbed driver makes the same as a van driver, (if not less) after taxes are we paid!
I'm flatbed and a good chunk of my pay is per diem. He Runs Conestoga to avoid tarp pay and to pay drivers less.
@@floridaman1776are drivers saying the same thing when it’s time to tarp when it’s 10 degrees?