Diesel APU vs Battery APU Showdown: The Ultimate Pros and Cons! (Worth the Investment? 💸)
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Diesel APU vs Battery APU Showdown: The Ultimate Pros and Cons!
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Curious about whether Diesel or Battery APU's are the right choice for your truck? Join Ronen as he conducts a thorough comparison in our latest video! We dive into ET's comprehensive idling statistics, dissecting how trucks with Diesel APU's, Battery APU's, and those without any APU perform.
Discover the impact on efficiency, operational performance, and the environmental footprint of each APU type. Ronen presents exclusive insights into the real-world performance of these systems.
We want to hear from you! Share your thoughts in the comments. Do you think APU's are worth the investment? Ronen leads a thoughtful discussion on the practical aspects and overall value of having an APU in the trucking industry.
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📚 Chapters
00:00 Introduction - Comparing Diesel APU's VS Battery APU's
00:44 What is an APU (auxiliary power unit)?
00:58 How does an APU work?
01:35 What is the cost of idling a truck?
02:13 ET Transport Truckers Stats - Driving with and without an APU
03:02 Breaking Down Comparison Between Two Truckers (One with a APU, and one without an APU)
03:40 Is it worth it to purchase an APU?
03:53 HP2000 APU Inquiry Form
04:05 The Cost to Finance a APU
04:54 Why ALL Trucks at ET Transport have a APU
05:05 Diesel APU vs Battery APU
05:53 Cost Savings when using a APU
07:22 The retail value of a truck with a Diesel APU or Battery APU
07:33 Is it worth getting a APU on a 3-4 year old truck?
08:15 Overweight with an APU
08:28 HP2000 APU Inquiry Form
08:52 Are Diesel APU's worth it?
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I've run an APU since 2002 and I will never buy a truck without one it has saved me a whole lot of money
I feel the same way, I don’t understand people that run without them.
meanwhile every truck parked next to you will hate you forever.
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-Newsnoise pollution
I wouldn't own a truck without one. As for the noise. If you're offended, move... I've improved the sound insulation, exhaust system and the air intake to make it as quiet as possible.
@@saintpatrick6681Here in Europe you have to stay outside next to cab to hear running heater.
Hi everyone, I'm owner operator I have diesel bunk heater for 150$ works perfectly in cold water
For summer time I use portable ac unit and 2300w generator, total cost for ac and gen.500$
I am installing webasto bunk, and coolant heater next week, then battery powered 12volt AC unit, 300 watts solar panels, and a lithium ion battery.
More details please, which make/model?
@@dronetrucker I am curious about which coolant heater you use and how often are you going to use it
My boss thought buying an apu for my Kenworth was a waste. Now tbh, I bought a used one for around 8k plus install. When I was idling before I got it, my Kenworth was burning half a gallon an hour but would regen after six hours, and that burns 3-5 gallons depending on temps and soot levels, and I was averaging 7 mpg. After I installed it, my averages shot up a full mpg and a half, even getting 8.5 pulling 44ks from DFW to New England states (new york, new jersey, Maine, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc etc). Upkeep maintenance by getting it's oil changed when my truck gets it's pm done and bam.
Plus I like I can use my microwave without idling my truck.
I've been wanting to see an electric vs diesel apu video. Thanks man.
I have a webasto diesel heater to heat engine and for in the cab as well and it’s a lot cheaper than Apu unit, and no maintenance needed. I live in Canada so ac we don’t really need so most of the time it’s just heat for the winter.
Well done, informative for the driver. Nice to watch upbeat instead of doom and gloom... !
Very informative but I need to correct you. In the US you’re allowed to be whatever the weight of the apu or epu is over the drive axle. So if the apu is 450lbs you’re allowed to be up to 34,450 in the drive axle ONLY you still cannot be over 34k on the trailer (if not split tandem) and you cannot be over 80k gross. Most DOT officials will just allow you 500lbs over as an umbrella policy since most of them aren’t heavier than 500.
I need to correct you too. Six states including kommiefornistan don't allow an exemption, the rest allow 400-550lbs over axle OR gross with an APU-equipped tractor. So it varies by state, but when an exemption is there, it includes gross weight. (Knowing that overweight on axle that are within gross can usually be addressed by sliding trailer tandems or fifth wheel if equipped.)
@@pigletshut good to know. Thank you. You wouldn’t happen to know the exact 6 states? I’m betting it’s all the commie states like NJ, NY and such?
That's always been my concern when it comes to apu/epu where to put the weight. there's no uniformity. Every state is different. Every weight station set their own rules.
The engine apus should be $8k at the most. Highway robbery whenever it's anything in the trucking industry!
The truck drivers have been getting robbed since CDL training... these owners of the repairs shop are sleeping well at night in their big house with no conscience. It's a real shame what's happening to trucking.
Generator & mini split works quite well too
Have you tested the Solar APU units?
You are 100% correct .. you save alot plus way less problems on the truck
We're happy to hear you agree!
@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News yap I agree. My own experience,,
The company that I drove for started hanging APU's in the mid-2000's, they worked well except in the Extreme hot or cold temps, you'd better have extra blankets or a good fan or two.
In the 2020 model year trucks they switched over to the EPU's in the Cascadia's, I got one when they put me into a new truck in Jan'21, I'd have to breakout the instructions on how to setup Optimized-Idle everytime I went to use it as I didn't use it often, I didn't run as much B.S. electronics as the rest of the fleet, my batteries would last all night.
Plus I carried a set of jumper cables long enough(30ft) to reach from the jumpstart posts behind the right steer tire to the reefer for those longer downtime stints, I'd use the already running reefer to charge the tractor batteries up.
slow learner
@@alross18058 How so pray tell, plz enlighten me......🤔🤔🤔
For heating definitely webasto,espar heater
I love my APU but after the second year it has become a total nightmare, numerous costly visits to Thermoking but once you have, you can't live without it. I'll definitely get one on my next truck hoping that the newer models are more reliable.
Do you not buy a new Thermo king? I just put one on my truck and there’s some issues with it it’s not the machine it’s a software so until they get the software all figured out stay away.
Bought my thermal king tripac brand new in December of 2020. In the 3 years I have had it I put 6500 hours on it. I have had absolutely no issues in that time! I due a pm on it every 2000 hours as recommended. I think it’s luck of the draw with them. But hell that’s the case with trucks too.
Don't know what took me so long to Subscribe..Dude giving away to many Jewels on this channel!
Good vid
All I have to say is;
Honda 3000 IS.
I install it professionally on my cat walk. I am on the third year. $2000 for the unit. If it dies in one year, I will get another.
That's a pretty good idea but how do you get A/C?
@@kmg501 got a Samsung, $400.
Window adapter from TA, plug it in , nicest AC ever. It taxes me approx 3 minutes to get it running. I drive a FLD. I removed the passenger seat considering that I never use it. I can literally turn the place in a Yoga studio.
I have two other friends of mine, when they saw my arrangement, they adopted it. Right now, I have the heat on on 700w(medium), AND the engine block heater plugged in (1000 w). When I wake up in the morning , the engine will only get a touch of a key and it will fire up like a Toyota.😉
PS. Fuel tank is 3.4 gal to the top.
At above set up it takes 14 hours to dry the tank. In the summer pretty much the same. I run it on eco mode.
My generator is a 2001 model. I used it in the past for heating up my hunting cabin. I stopped using it for several years and it’s been sitting in my barn for all this time until the day I realized that it would make a great APU. My idle is 0 (ZERO) . Trust me, it works. No way , I would pay $12k for a 💩APU such as the one this guys promotes . I used to be a general contractor for 15 years. I can buy a brand new heat pump system for a 1500 sq ft home with the line set and precharged system for $2000. These APUs are a ripoff. Believe me. This guy is getting paid for promoting, just like Justrucking guy. Their APUs will be long time through the grinder and my Honda will still quietly purr like a 🐱. Look it up
@@Corleone_Napoleone Ahh, you must mean a portable unit. Not a bad solution, I did a search on Amazon in a price range of $380 to $600. Lots of things to get ideas from. Thanks for the reply, be well.
@@kmg501 my pleasure!!
Glad to help someone who’s interested in learning. You will be very happy. Trust me. Honda motors won’t let you down. I, however, change the oil every 70 hours. Takes a half of quart. I have over 2k hours on it and not an issue so far. In the winter they tend to start a little harder . Pull the choke with one hand and and ouch it in progressively while turning the key with the other. You will figure it out.
It is a carburetor.
Probably the most important statistic is how long it takes for it to pay itself off.
Why can't these APU units operate as quietly as an Onan Wisper Quiet Diesel Generator? I am sure it is in the design.
Parked next to a diesel APU Unit starting and stopping all night is worse than being parked next to a Refer unit that just hums all night.
If you give me truck with a diesel APU i will not use, too much noise, can't sleep
IMPORTANT- Not every state allows the APU/EPU weight exemption. In particular CA and KY. Additionally some counties in CA do not allow diesel APU use, they count it as idling.
Did not ever even consider the weight of an APU because I figured I could lift it with my two hands by the looks of it. Are they really 400lbs!? Or do they give you a little extra slack on the weight? Even so, if it’s close to 400lbs I never imagined that.
I know there are cheaper ones and even DIY options, but this is a pretty sweet deal that I’d be confident I could pay off in a year no sweat. I don’t plan on having a truck payment so that makes it much easier.
i wish he would of done cost of maintanance diesel vs electric. i feel electric would win hands down.
Sorta depends. Gotta replace the batteries in the electric every so often. One of my trucks needed them replaced, but the mechanic at our shop just replaced it with an old spare diesel apu that never seemed to die, so not sure on those costs.
Probably, but when your batteries are dead, my diesel unit is still keeping me nice and comfortable. Another benefit is when it's below zero, my apu keeps batteries charged, and the coolant temp is 105 degrees. So truck starts like a summer day.
Love my tripac…….. trouble free when you do proper maintenance
My first truck had the park smart system. Never got to use it, OOS when i purchased it. Second truck just has a bunk heater. Thats all i need, fires up everytime. Id rather be hot than cold any day😂
Yeah we bought a truck with a Apu installed so far its pretty good. But most trucks I've used without an APU seems to use about 5 Gallons of diesel every 10 hours
Or even cheaper would be to buy a box stick a cheap but quiet generator with key fob start and run a mini split Mr cool (or there brand) heat pump. Cool and heat the truck. It’s funny how no one think of clever way to be cheaper and more profitable. All an app is an integrated generated.
I have an electric apu in my 2024 International and cant turn it on for the life of me 😅
What’s the allowed weight per axle tho?
Still going strong 800 dollar generator run 240 nights. Cost 10 bucks a night fuel. Runs may fridge/ ac/ heater and puts a charge on batteries. Saves me 30 bucks a night...it's a quiet 4500 watt inverter
Hiw much fuel does a diesel APU use? What effect does battery-charging have on fuel consumption?
Here in Europe it takes around 0.25 litre (1/16 gallon) per hour, when there is not extreme freeze. Then it might climb up to 0.5 litre (1/8 gallon) per hour. Idling takes around 2 litres (half of gallon) per hour + idling is prohibited here in Europe.
I can't speak for trucks, but for hybrid cars battery charging while driving, there was a piece from a french car enthusiast association claiming that driving while generating enough power to charge the battery would cause the car to fail meeting the emission standard.
APU unit is like saying ATM machine. LOL
Thx
I would not tell anyone to buy a hp2000 i get that hes making a video and making money from the video and hes also making money from the sponsorship so im not upset with the video but hp2000 themselves heres the things they don’t tell you yes fast install i got mine new back in 2021 cost me 10,000$ was a deal going on in less then 200h on the unit it broke never was working properly as a otr O/O chances of u rolling by there 3 locations are very unlikely because its not off the beaten path that otr drivers normally run for example otr drivers drive long distances for example ny to California so ur on I-80 or southern route I-40 dont matter are u stopping off I-57? Nope are u going to a place that is iffy at best to bring a truck and trailer into? Nope they only had 3 locations to fix it in the usa at the time few 3rd party places also but they only installed they didn’t to any repairs well after 3 attempts at fixing the hp2000 at the main location in IL (spending $ to go out of route) at 400h on my apu i gave up on it never gave heat or ac might charge the battery or drain all 4 so turned the unit off accepted my loss of buying a $10,000 paperweight as i call it and when i sold the truck it costed more to remove the unit because its not a thermoking so it does not add any value in selling oh and hp2000 the owner said he wont buy it back even at half price because they dont keep there word when i was buying it had a few people tell me its a scam and dont but he talked me into buying it (the owner) lesson learned on my part but just dont want to see anyone else fall into a 10,000$ paperweight object
I have battery apu and I'm telling you I adding the truck not more that 1h per day and is only when I do the pre-trip and when I start the day now because is cold and I do like not more that 30 minutes. Max 1h per day,, because now is winter , need to start because ia cold before i run , and no apu I have to idling all the time like before. But honestly . Next truck I will do with diesel apu is better for everything. I did buy Thermo king to install on this truck but I love to know info about that hp2000. For my next truck
How many gallons an hour does it take to have an apu
My company had trucks that had battery APUs. In my opinion, when it gets colder out a diesel one would be much better because the built-in HVAC system for heat and a freightliner isn't really that good when it's just running on batteries
They dont really dont keep cab warm in the winter i was told
Do you need to carry a document to show the guy at the scales that you get the discount of 400 lbs since you have a APU?
Ditto for diesel APU. Battery pack are way better and more reliablle. Sleeping with a diesel APU on it's like sleeping next to a lawnmower, and constantly breaking down after a year of use.
The APU unit value is not measured in gal/$.This can cost life of driver and another traffic users if is involved in a accident because of bad sleeping conditions. In the future must be mandatory equipment for every truck.Big like for your video!
You didn't say how much fuel a diesel A.P.U. uses per hour???
Damn that’s crazy fuel prices fuel is 3.18 a gallon right now on the east coast
There are Carrier & Thermo repair shops all over the country. Where do you go if you have problems with this unit?
Great questions
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News thanks for telling me, 'great question'. Lol
would you consider putting an APU unit if my tractor have 650k miles?
650K is... quite a lot
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News I guess zero breeze Mark 2 Portable AC it is eh? lol
Man i Love my thermo king. APU not EPU ,0 idling , before i did have EPU but the problem was the time duration on battery, im saving pike $45 to $50 minimum per day and also this new apu have the automatic start . When i. Using the batteries, and they go low so apu will start. I truly love you will save $15000 prler year minimum. And that is the price of the Apu so you will get the Apu for free plus you wil have Like 500 pounds exemption , even many states calculate on 1000 pounds more, i will never buy the truck again with out the APU, honestly i dont like EPU but is better then nothing
Nice!
Had a battery one in my 15 lonestar and now a tripac the tripac does a better job on the heating and cooling
Why don't the manufacturers offers this as an extra when purchasing a truck?
Cost of running electric, zero, cost of gas or diesel, is fuel plus oil, plus cost of repairs and maintenance. I have separate lithium ion battery, charged by solar panels.
I have a 2012 freightliner Cascadia the motor was rebuilt 600,000 K ago I just put a APU on it diesel it’s a new Thermo king they’re having issues with the software. It’s an absolute no-brainer if you were on the road for long periods of time, you cannot live with out one and I plan on keeping my truck because the way I look at it, I can put a-lot of mechanical work into this truck for the cost of a new one and with the APU you don’t have those idling hours that kill the longevity of your motor
Do Cascadias have new heads cause for volvo its only remanufactured.it will last about 3-400k.all the problems like valves, bearings , king pins... it's more practical to get rid of it at 8-9 hundred. I have 1.1 million miles on mine
@@artem2777 I have a DD 15, 560 HP nice and quiet and I just love it
HP 2000 is not the best option because of design. They have a built-in ac radiator, so the back of the unit have a lot of ventilation holes. Winter time ( in Canada 🇨🇦 ) apu unit will be full of salt 🧂. Salt = rust ! Will have problems with wiring and ALTERNATOR. HP 2000 is built cheaply. How do I know that ?- I have one from 2020. If you don't know how to fix wiring or adjust alternator belts, then don't buy it !!! Way cheaper option - buy house heat pum AC/HEATHER (mini split unit ) and 400 + ah lithium batteries. It will be at least 50% cheaper and will be much cooler in summer. Plus, no noise, no fuel, no maintenance !!!
On my truck 🚚 ( 2024 Cascadia) I have - SUNVILLE 12000 btu heat pump with 700ah lithium batteries ( good for 20+ hours depending on weather). Heat pump, batteries, installation - I paid ~ $6000 CAD.
For Canada batteries must be with low temperature 🌡 charging protection ( example- Renogy).
When I see this. 189h ideling in september. I don*t think that it was neccesary to idle the engine this long in september. In the summer in the south, I understand 100% ideling time. In september, not in the south, I think not much ideling is needed.
I think it should work with a heater alone good enough.
Hold the bumpers clean.
M.
He made a mistake it's not 189 it's 18.9... 4.5 a gallon😅
@@artem2777 'At 3:05 You see 189.xx hours of ideling time. So, I understnd that it is needed to let run the engine for the AC. For other things I don*t see a reason. I think the ET trucks does not run into the super hot areas. So I think there is no reason to not shut of the engine.
All good
M.
Buy a minsplit put a generator and ready to go
Just to help people out who saw this post and did not know what you are talking about. A "mini-split" is "ductless" heating/cooling unit. I'd post a link but this crappy platform auto-deletes links.
If you talk with ThermoKing they say its good until 30 Celcius, after you need to start improvising (reflecting shaders, idle for 2h or during the day and Apu during the night) for people that don't do well in proper heat I believe no APU will be able to cope. N. America companies going on same trend as EU, let's cut everything and screw driver comfort. The answer is as always, for some application is good for some is not, especially since each individual will have a dif uncomfortable point.
APU's are more than savings. They have a huge safety bonus. I would doubtfully buy one. I'd build one. In the winter, compact tractor style diesels make little sense as APU's. What is wanted is a low strain heat generating kilowatt producer. Don't forget it is worthwhile for a truck to carry one or two stubby 100 watt solar panels.
make the batteries bigger, the engine smaller and put an electric drive on the axels and boom you have an Edison Truck :D
So I work for a large company. We ran the numbers and apu’s are not worth it. You didn’t calculate the fuel cost on the diesel burned by the apu and maintenance cost of them in your calculations. A opti idle or auto start stop system with a separate bunk heater has a way better roi than a apu.
And depending where u drive and when causes more or less idling. The past few months I’ve only idled 17%…
Yes.. apu is very good. This new truck now have thermo king diesel apu. And last one was electric. In my opinion and experience if you ate out long times diesel is better. No need to idle . And electric you need to idle not at much but you need and winter you have to.. and diesel one no need
Of course you like apu. You're getting a cut.
Heated blanket
Don’t really need a apu just a bunk heater and generator with mini spit of summer.
You wouldn’t live in a house/apartment that didn’t have A/C or heat so why would you want a truck that didn’t have the same?
The battery apu is just not as good as the diesel one I've driven truck with both over the years and I prefer the diesel one hands down.
😂 Wow.... Truckers getting pickpocketted again, and rates are in the crapper. I have a DIY lithium batteries ePU that cost me all in $3K... And 100% swappable to the next truck if ever needed.
“APU Unit” also known as a auxiliary power unit unit………..
B.S. ALL the fuel money you saved is gone repairing it.
I've owned my apu for 6 years. In that time, my repairs consisted of a set of belts,a thermostat, an alternator and oil changes. So probably a couple thousand dollars. Over 6 years, I've saved more than that.
😂 875... 51к . Somebody got good discount on apus😅 It will take you about 3-4 years to get that 13k back cause it also it's diesel . 0.3 gallons an hour vs 0.7at idle. + turning of the truck and sleeping under blanket will save more+ generator and ac unit also eats 0.3 g/h( cost about 1k). And I wouldn't leave my truck off at 0 f no way!
Diesel apu suck big time, noisy as hell. I never park next to a truck with its. I have battery apu.
Our European heaters are really quiet. You hear them just when you stay outside the cab and you're very close.
Pfff lel. Here in Europe auxiliary heater is no question. It is elementary equipment of all trucks. Also, idling is prohibited, and for example in Germany it may cost you 100 euros or now even more.
Why does ronen keep saying "apu unit" unit is in the acronym so hes saying "auxiliary power unit unit" lmaoo 😂😂
TOO LOUD..
There are way smaller and quieter units.
So ppl have really shit APU units and are really loud ruin other people’s sleep at truck stops wish it was a crime so i could call tge cops
The piece of shit 2000 will cost you more in repairs in the long run than you save in fuel
2024 we should use not idling. Contamination and that loud sound doesn't make sense... I have bunk heater and 24 v ac with extra 460 ah battery....
You are turning into a waste of time to watch lately…. wtf is the cost diff for the guy idling vs the guy with an apu? Brian brought me here …. Ronan will make unsubscribe….
Lol cmon ET! You're biased towards them bc you're getting an affiliate commission. This video is tainted 😂
You keep saying "APU unit." But APU stands for "auxiliary power unit." So what you're actually saying is, "auxiliary power unit unit," which is kind of dumb.
Apu still uses fuel! You didnt figure that cost into it. On top.of that, the upkeep of these units gets real expensive to keep going! I've talked to many o/o who told me it not worth it, & if it wasnt on the truck when they bought it, they never would have made the investment.
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This is bad information. Apu is amazing heating no fuel used. For air also good. Without an apu you paying a fortune wasted money.
Thanks for sharing