I think Celebrimbor, had he been any other Elf, would not have been fooled by Annatar. However, Annatar was able to take advantage of the ambition to be greater than his grandfather to create a glamour that obscured his perception.
Celebrimbor is the story of overwhelming ego in the face of greatness. His ambitions for the "greatness of Feanor" made him vulnerable to Annitar's influence, like every other character swayed by the words of the Master deceiver. Ego is THE single greatest weakness displayed by all Men, Elves, Dwarves and most noteably, Orcs, w/ their constant squabbling and in-fighting. Every great story is the tale of sensibility overcoming the ego's force on man's nature.
I dont think Celebrimbor was weak, or at least not in a direct sense. Anatar and by extension Sarumon (apologies im bad at spelling LOTR) is a master of manipulation and seeding desires in those full of ambition. Something that Celebrimbor had since heblived in the shadow of his grandfather. We think of the elves as perfection, but truly, they have flaws, too.
@garycook5071 Mixed with Melkor's dark sorcerercy. Sauron became a powerful sorcerer under Melkor, whereas before under Aule, he was just a exceptional craftsman like Feanor.
Thank you. Such a noble elf deserves your accurate portrayal of him. I have,always seen Celebrimbor as a hero. I do not watch rings of power but have,seen the criticism, i am a long time tolkien reader and love his truth snd spirit. You share that.
Standing under an umbrella, completely soaked from rain and falling in love with Sauron 🤦♂️🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢😭 *while Galadriel is about to have a direct alliance with some orcs after SHE already fell for Sauron....... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
13:34 I don't think Celebrimbor was a fool or a pushover. Sauron wasn't too powerful to resist either. If Sauron had had the ability to invade the minds of others so easily, then he would not have needed to invest time and effort in the Rings of Power. Sauron intended to create the rings as keys to directly access the minds, interfere with the senses, of others in order to watch and control without going through the entire process of psychological manipulation. I think Celebrimbor and the Mírdain were susceptible to being deceived because they might have lost _Amdir_ (Hope) in the Valar, before the arrival of Annatar. They lost hope because they witnessed the decay of the perishable lands and inhabitants of Middle Earth. The Mírdain might have thought: "Morgoth is no more, however harsh winters still occur in Lindon and Eregion. The Valar still control the elements, but their influence is not enough to heal the scars that Morgoth left on Middle Earth". The mírdain grew impatient. - "The Valar decided to stay in Valinor. However, we the exiled elves chose Middle Earth, and our mission now is to strive against the decay of these lands." Then Annatar Aulëndil arrives (after a thorough study on his preys) and proceeds to validate the thoughts and desires of the Mírdain. Annatar encourages them and gives them Amdir again. The Mírdain then assumed they were crusaders, knights of a sacred order, in a holy mission against the decay and perishable nature of Middle Earth. Sauron just had to fuel that idea and to deliver knowledge and results. *No need for magical mind tricks or an intoxicating invisible aura of mental numbness.*
Look forward 1Million subscribers, for this top channel of the lotr.. and thanks for not comparing or described Lotr characters based on what they look like in the shameful disastrous Rop series. *sadly, some channels &fan already doing so and use their pics or facts!!
I absolutely love, listening to the broken sword as I’m going to bed at night, not trying to get anyone to promote anyone else’s channel, but does anyone know of anything else that similar to this with maybe different books or stories where they go deep into it?
See the showrunners from the Rings of Power are showing their power. Instead of 4 centuries of making all the rings and the One Ring, they’re doing it within a couple of months. Now that’s impressive 😂😂😂😂😂
@@gingerbaker_toad696 Celeborn does not exist in the Hobbit movies (to have Gandalf and Galadriel) and in RoP (to have Sauron and Galadriel), while in some versions, he is the lord of Eregion in the lore
I think that Celebrimbor went to Gondolin after the fall of Nargothrond, that he came to the Sirion deltas with the exiles after the fall of Gondolin, and that from there he went to Lindon because of the War of Wrath.
I hope all the fans vote up this comment: Broken sword, could you take your time to research an episode of how “the choice” would have been presented to the half-elven? When it was decided that they could choose to live as eldar or as edain how was this explained to them? Who explained it (the velar?) and how informed were they of their choice? Again this is speculation so take time to research. Finally, speculate if the the half elven blood lines knew more about the afterlife and suffered the “Cassandra syndrome” or did they keep the secrets of the choice from elves and men?
In the Shadow of War video game, especially the Blade of Galadriel DLC ending, it hints that Celebrimbor could become the main antagonist in some future video game sequel.
I have an unrelated question. For a moment it looked like Aragon might not marry Arwin. Who else would he have married? He would be responsible to carry on his line, but if not with Arwin, then who?
You got the lesser rings wrong. The smiths of Eregion forged uncountable lesser rings as research, we don't know how many there are since many were recicled in new rings and it can be assumed many were given as gifts, kept as tokens of progress and so on. Only then did they forged the 16 rings of power and Anatar left. After that Celebrimbor made the 3 elven rings just to prove he could forge them without Anadar.
Well, it seems that Rings of Power decided to make all Great Elven legends stupid and dumbass in every possible way and Adar and orcs are actually the good guys who just want to live happy but because of dumbass elves they cannot. I dont know if this was on purpous to show it this way because today good is suddenly evil, and all of evil is not truly evil and its not their fault that they are evil.....I dont like that Like always great video
"because today good is suddenly evil, and all of evil is not truly evil and its not their fault that they are evil" it's a strange time indeed -- I would ask you to elaborate but it is probably better if you don't.
@@scattau41he means Amazon is doing a narrative that there's no good or evil, that sauron is morally grey. They blur the lines between good and evil which is retarded because that is exactly opposite to what Tolkien created.
Tolkien is the master of imagination and intrigue, he was open to change, and often changed his mind. He was not as fixed, as some of his fans seem to be. I remember a lot of push back against the films, now seen as classics. I was just grateful that my favourite author had at last been, put on the big screen. I really wish Tolkien had lived through this time, and been able to contribute to adaptations of his work to the tv. It's easy to be a critic, less easy to actually create.
I dislike Amazon's rings of power so much. There wont be any of this intense story telling. Its so hoaky and it plays out like a G rated low budget play.
SO, were the Elven rings made before or after the other rings of power? Because in the crappy ROP series...the eleves had the rings prior to Sauron showing up as the bringer of gifts...
They were made after the others, but Celebrimbor just made them cause he wanted to. But since Annatar/Sauron had no hand in their creation they were pure and could be used freely at least until the one was made.
@@shoelacedobby3819 According to LotRs' appendix B, the One Ring was created around year 1600, +/- 10 years after Narya, Nenya and Vilya were finished around year 1590 of the 2nd Age.
The season finale of rings of power I want elrond be the one who finds Celebrimbor with Sauron instead of Galadriel. Elrond explains to Celebrimbor you got tricked
Ugh, please don’t use Shadow of Mordor art, I just got a massive reminder of how that game murdered and then pissed on Tolkiens lore. Fun gameplay sure but it’s such an insult to Tolkien
![The History of Sauron [COMPILATION] | Tolkien Explained](/img/1.gif)
I think Celebrimbor, had he been any other Elf, would not have been fooled by Annatar. However, Annatar was able to take advantage of the ambition to be greater than his grandfather to create a glamour that obscured his perception.
Very good opinion!!
The last time I was this early, I thought the rings of power were gifts
The last I was this early, your Mom said ‘is it in yet?’
@@ethinwhite3454 pretty sure your girl would argue 😂😂
Ah, the Real Celebrimbor has arrived to cast out the imposter!
The house of Feanor and Hurin are really fighting for number 1 tragic linages, I feel
Celebrimbor is the story of overwhelming ego in the face of greatness. His ambitions for the "greatness of Feanor" made him vulnerable to Annitar's influence, like every other character swayed by the words of the Master deceiver. Ego is THE single greatest weakness displayed by all Men, Elves, Dwarves and most noteably, Orcs, w/ their constant squabbling and in-fighting. Every great story is the tale of sensibility overcoming the ego's force on man's nature.
I wish ‘rings of power’ kept to this story 😢
Celebrimbor in the actual lore is such a badass
That "picture" of Galadriel is so pretty :3
I dont think Celebrimbor was weak, or at least not in a direct sense. Anatar and by extension Sarumon (apologies im bad at spelling LOTR) is a master of manipulation and seeding desires in those full of ambition. Something that Celebrimbor had since heblived in the shadow of his grandfather. We think of the elves as perfection, but truly, they have flaws, too.
Annatar probably told him that he was a Maia who studied under Aule, which I think is true.
@@shaggycan that’s accurate
Annatar was not totally lying, he brought the knowledge he had learned from Aule
@garycook5071 Mixed with Melkor's dark sorcerercy. Sauron became a powerful sorcerer under Melkor, whereas before under Aule, he was just a exceptional craftsman like Feanor.
It’s crazy how a lore bending video game nailed an adaptation of Celebrimbor and Annatar compared to an entire show dedicated to them. 🤔🙄
Thank you. Such a noble elf deserves your accurate portrayal of him. I have,always seen Celebrimbor as a hero. I do not watch rings of power but have,seen the criticism, i am a long time tolkien reader and love his truth snd spirit. You share that.
Celebrimbor is an awesome character
Standing under an umbrella, completely soaked from rain and falling in love with Sauron 🤦♂️🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢😭
*while Galadriel is about to have a direct alliance with some orcs after SHE already fell for Sauron....... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Love the detail! When are you reviewing rings of power 😅? I wonder what you make their…interpretation.
13:34 I don't think Celebrimbor was a fool or a pushover. Sauron wasn't too powerful to resist either. If Sauron had had the ability to invade the minds of others so easily, then he would not have needed to invest time and effort in the Rings of Power.
Sauron intended to create the rings as keys to directly access the minds, interfere with the senses, of others in order to watch and control without going through the entire process of psychological manipulation.
I think Celebrimbor and the Mírdain were susceptible to being deceived because they might have lost _Amdir_ (Hope) in the Valar, before the arrival of Annatar. They lost hope because they witnessed the decay of the perishable lands and inhabitants of Middle Earth.
The Mírdain might have thought: "Morgoth is no more, however harsh winters still occur in Lindon and Eregion.
The Valar still control the elements, but their influence is not enough to heal the scars that Morgoth left on Middle Earth".
The mírdain grew impatient.
- "The Valar decided to stay in Valinor. However, we the exiled elves chose Middle Earth, and our mission now is to strive against the decay of these lands."
Then Annatar Aulëndil arrives (after a thorough study on his preys) and proceeds to validate the thoughts and desires of the Mírdain. Annatar encourages them and gives them Amdir again.
The Mírdain then assumed they were crusaders, knights of a sacred order, in a holy mission against the decay and perishable nature of Middle Earth. Sauron just had to fuel that idea and to deliver knowledge and results. *No need for magical mind tricks or an intoxicating invisible aura of mental numbness.*
Look forward 1Million subscribers, for this top channel of the lotr..
and thanks for not comparing or described Lotr characters based on what they look like in the shameful disastrous Rop series. *sadly, some channels &fan already doing so and use their pics or facts!!
ehem nerd of the rings ehem
I absolutely love, listening to the broken sword as I’m going to bed at night, not trying to get anyone to promote anyone else’s channel, but does anyone know of anything else that similar to this with maybe different books or stories where they go deep into it?
also, according to RINGS of POWER, he is also a complete idiot. thanks for talking about this amazing character and doing them justice.
There is no Rings of Power in Ba Sing... I mean Eregion.
@@Ptaaruonn just cabbage.
LOTR fans after watching ROP Celebrimbor: "Look at how they massacred our boy....."
I think he’s one of the highlights
The actor is amazing, but he should have played a hobbit/halfling. Not the legendary elf smith❤@@ghostdreamer7272
@@ghostdreamer7272 Nice! 🍻
So nice to have a Lord of the Rings channel that discusses actual lore rather than giving a platform to that abomination Rings of Power.
See the showrunners from the Rings of Power are showing their power. Instead of 4 centuries of making all the rings and the One Ring, they’re doing it within a couple of months. Now that’s impressive 😂😂😂😂😂
Using the same power Jackson used in compressing the timelines in LotR. Just sayin'.
@@ChrisHinton1967 very true but not to this extent. Amazon is on another level.
Great Video. Next Video please about the death of "Visual Celeborn" in 2003.
Huh? What do you mean?
@@gingerbaker_toad696 Celeborn does not exist in the Hobbit movies (to have Gandalf and Galadriel) and in RoP (to have Sauron and Galadriel), while in some versions, he is the lord of Eregion in the lore
@@Feanor1497 oh alright now i get it
I think that Celebrimbor went to Gondolin after the fall of Nargothrond, that he came to the Sirion deltas with the exiles after the fall of Gondolin, and that from there he went to Lindon because of the War of Wrath.
I hope all the fans vote up this comment: Broken sword, could you take your time to research an episode of how “the choice” would have been presented to the half-elven? When it was decided that they could choose to live as eldar or as edain how was this explained to them? Who explained it (the velar?) and how informed were they of their choice? Again this is speculation so take time to research. Finally, speculate if the the half elven blood lines knew more about the afterlife and suffered the “Cassandra syndrome” or did they keep the secrets of the choice from elves and men?
In the Shadow of War video game, especially the Blade of Galadriel DLC ending, it hints that Celebrimbor could become the main antagonist in some future video game sequel.
To bad they are not working on one 😩 Liked those games!
It seems Celebrimbor was aware of Annatar but his ambition got the better of him.
Same as everyone else apparently, boning Sauron 😂
I have an unrelated question. For a moment it looked like Aragon might not marry Arwin. Who else would he have married? He would be responsible to carry on his line, but if not with Arwin, then who?
Since ROP is butchering it tell it like it is!
And the Doors of Durin was a one liner in that terrible Rings of Power
You got the lesser rings wrong. The smiths of Eregion forged uncountable lesser rings as research, we don't know how many there are since many were recicled in new rings and it can be assumed many were given as gifts, kept as tokens of progress and so on. Only then did they forged the 16 rings of power and Anatar left. After that Celebrimbor made the 3 elven rings just to prove he could forge them without Anadar.
random question is Mithril indestructible ?
Na ah! He is supposed to be an old, short-haired, frail looking elf who looks like he just got out of bed
- Amazon Logic😂
I come here to cleanse my palette from Rings of Power 🤮
Chillin, mostly.
I thought that was obvious.
Such an awesome story that Amazon has massacred
Feanor? Why does that name sounds familiar?
Such a terrible portrayal of him in the RoP. They made him a geezer and he's younger than Galadriel in cannon.
I agree, but the actor is really good so I feel so conflicted about my anger at his on-screen presence
@@karlsweeney2328 I don't hate on the actor, he's just doing what the show runners and directors are telling him to.
@@Michael-ji3gw exactly
👀👀
Well, it seems that Rings of Power decided to make all Great Elven legends stupid and dumbass in every possible way and Adar and orcs are actually the good guys who just want to live happy but because of dumbass elves they cannot. I dont know if this was on purpous to show it this way because today good is suddenly evil, and all of evil is not truly evil and its not their fault that they are evil.....I dont like that
Like always great video
"because today good is suddenly evil, and all of evil is not truly evil and its not their fault that they are evil" it's a strange time indeed -- I would ask you to elaborate but it is probably better if you don't.
@@scattau41he means Amazon is doing a narrative that there's no good or evil, that sauron is morally grey. They blur the lines between good and evil which is retarded because that is exactly opposite to what Tolkien created.
And Amazon destroyed the character and flowed none of the lore and made rings in wrong order
Tolkien is the master of imagination and intrigue, he was open to change, and often changed his mind. He was not as fixed, as some of his fans seem to be.
I remember a lot of push back against the films, now seen as classics. I was just grateful that my favourite author had at last been, put on the big screen. I really wish Tolkien had lived through this time, and been able to contribute to adaptations of his work to the tv. It's easy to be a critic, less easy to actually create.
Your competing against Rainbow Dave 🌈
I don't envy you sir 😅
Never heard of them
I dislike Amazon's rings of power so much. There wont be any of this intense story telling. Its so hoaky and it plays out like a G rated low budget play.
Oh lord it's killing me what they did to this character in rings of power some doddering old fart is playing him ELVES ARENT OLD
How to take 15 mins saying I dont know.
SO, were the Elven rings made before or after the other rings of power? Because in the crappy ROP series...the eleves had the rings prior to Sauron showing up as the bringer of gifts...
If I remember correctly, celebrimbor realized who sauron was and made the elven rings in secret so sauron could be challenged. So he made them last.
They were made after the others, but Celebrimbor just made them cause he wanted to. But since Annatar/Sauron had no hand in their creation they were pure and could be used freely at least until the one was made.
@@shoelacedobby3819 According to LotRs' appendix B, the One Ring was created around year 1600, +/- 10 years after Narya, Nenya and Vilya were finished around year 1590 of the 2nd Age.
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The season finale of rings of power I want elrond be the one who finds Celebrimbor with Sauron instead of Galadriel. Elrond explains to Celebrimbor you got tricked
Ugh, please don’t use Shadow of Mordor art, I just got a massive reminder of how that game murdered and then pissed on Tolkiens lore. Fun gameplay sure but it’s such an insult to Tolkien
Just here to marvel at all those who hate ROP so much yet continue to watch. 😂😂😂
Might as well be talking about the show at this point.
Imagine deciding u hate a show and sticking around anyway let alone making videos and sht. Dictionary worthy definition of “no life”
hes not that talented in RoP thats for sure...
Leave the ring of power alone, and stop being distractive