Table Saw Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2024
- I decided I wanted the best table saw for my new woodshop, so I sold my Sawstop PCS and got a fully loaded 5hp Sawstop ICS with their large sliding table and the floating overarm dust collection. I changed the thumbnail after uploading, so that is why there is a bit of a confusing spoiler to the start of this.
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0:00 Intro
0:22 Picking up my new saw
1:30 Assembling Sawstop rails
2:04 Sawstop sliding table assembly
3:51 Aligning table saw fence to blade
5:04 Squaring the crosscut fence
5:48 Sawstop floating overarm dust collection
6:43 Table saw dust collection
8:05 First test cuts
11:17 Is it still square?
14:38 Sawstop ICS vs PCS differences
Alternative saws and Items used in this video:
Mini forklift: amzn.to/3oBqZBz
Nylon straps: amzn.to/37NVopD
The new saw: amzn.to/37JE7xS
The old saw: amzn.to/3a7FoBs
Floating dust collection: amzn.to/39VLV2d
Large sliding table: amzn.to/37Q3ZIh
Dewalt drill/driver set: amzn.to/371J0TN
Sawstop job site saw: amzn.to/2IBgIWM
Sawstop mobile base: amzn.to/39Z1ciJ
Sawstop contractor saw: homedepot.sjv.io/VzJrO
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Хобби
Festivus: May your Festivus be sufficiently enjoyable
There would be a lot of disagreements to solve this year.
@@Otto-W the airing of grievances will be epic
Winning comment so far
Hey leave some festivus for the rest of us ..happy happy
SawStop is a great Chinese saw. Probably the best Chinese saw.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ruclips.net/user/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
That saw is awesome. I'll never look at my DeWalt table saw the same again.
Hey Scott. In my eyes, that's the bad thing you can buy. Space and money wasted.
Buy yourself a German sliding table saw. From Felder / Hammer or Martin.
You can work with it and not play.
American table saws are garbage.
If you want to buy one and need help, get in touch.
Greetings from Germany.
@DW Palme That’s not right my friend. Please check out the Felder P C S system.
You can see it on RUclips.
After triggering, the saw blade can continue without damage.
Maybe it isn’t junk, but it’s a diy saw.
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Does Jess know that you're looking at sliding table saws. Plus, your new garage isnt big enough :P
Great to see my other favorite youtuber here Scott!
Just put together my new PCS 3HP. I was soooo impressed with their organized setup and was easy to get everything spot on!
Thanks Cam! I've been eyeing the ICS for awhile and wasn't sure if I should splurge for it. Your comment on how often I use my table saw (daily) sealed the deal. I also appreciate you covering the dust collection hook up (and yes, there isn't a lot of info out there), fence config and adjustment.
Oh awesome man. You’re gonna love it.
Favorite holiday is Veterans Day. As a vet I feel I owe a debt of gratitude to those who came before and those who follow.
I love the Troll of the week. It occurred to me to try and “win” that contest just so I can get trolled back. Your comebacks are always priceless and give me a big smile each time.
My SawStop's instructions were the best I've ever seen. My Laguna band saw was the WORST I've ever seen of any product I've ever owned. Go SawStop!
Even worse with Felder/Hammer. I replaced my Hammer table saw with a SawStop and am really happy I did so. I do have a Felder Jointer/Planer, which is an excellent machine but with the same abysmal instructions as my original Hammer J/P and table saw I bought 12 years ago.
Laguna instructions are famously horrible. I had two lagunas and they were terrible instructions
I got a horrible paper cut from those saw stop instructions. Very sharp paper. Couldnt get it to clot.......
@@Samlol23_drrich must have had the paper relay disabled.
Agree about Laguna but their bandsaw video instructions were a good alternative
Nice review, and tool. I can attest to the value of buying the best (if you have room and $$). Twenty five years ago I bought a Delta Unisaw (best in class at that time) and it is still going strong. I added an extension table and Biesmire fence (which your fence is based on) and later a drop down roller out-feed. I am sure your saw is better in many ways, but not by much. You will enjoy this for decades!
I've been using my PCS for about 6 years now and I love it. I like the way you made the outfeed table. I have a small shop and my outfeed table doubles as an assembly table.
That’s a great machine
Add a 1/4" broom material from the base of the guard, dropping around 3 to 4 inches, allowing material to go through, but dust won't nearly as much.
WOW at no cost!!! Lucky man! but, you do awesome work. Well deserved
SS is giving away saws to all RUclips content creators with a large audience for advertisement and choking off the competition. And the fact that they are 10 mins away makes it a no brainer!
Agree with you 100% on the AWESOME assembly paradigm SawStop has come up with. I use to do RTA assembly, so I have lots of experience with assembly, and NOTHING I've ever encountered comes close to being as good instructions and hardware/parts management as the SawStop experience.
Christmas Eve. The footprint of that saw an slider looks like it's bigger than my entire shop!
It’s substantial. 10’ with the wing on
@@BlacktailStudio what is the foot print without the wing?
Independence day! Hey Cam, I just replaced my Grizzly 3hp table saw.....
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Hold it. Hold it..
Boom, the sawstop ICS 5hp, waiting on the mobile base for setup.
I just watched this video, again to get my major Sawstop excitement going.
I'm retired 61 but this was a dream saw for me.
Cam, thanks for all you're videos. You are by far the best communicating "content creater on RUclips!"
I sold my 3hp SawStop and bought a Felder 700S 10’ sliding table saw. Looove it!!!!!!!!!!
Good to know!
Very excited. I just purchased the ICS and waiting for it to arrive. Im a general contractor and have never built a cabinet in my life but I want to change that. My friend is a cabinet maker and Ive watched and helped him over the years, he told me to go big with the HP so I did. Good points were that I can grow into it and if I ever wanted to sell it there are lots of takers for a saw that good and that big. I have a good shop and look forwarded to piecing together a great little shop and I fully understand the value of good tools and this seems to be the center piece of a shop.
Has to be Christmas, celebrating our Lords birth! Thanks for the review of the ICS. I have had the 3 hp PCS for about 3 years and love it. Love your new saw though. Big fan of SawStop!
Thanks bud!
I think it would be cool if you did a vid on the business side of thing, such as taxes, accounting, maybe marketing etc.
Maybe I’ll start with that on my blog
Even videos like this you inspire me. Your videos are the reason I’ve taken up woodworking as a hobby/small craft style business. Keep up the great work.
No way. That’s awesome man
Favorite holiday is definitely Christmas. Enjoy the new saw! Thanks for sharing, and the general advise, and comments to help me and others.
I put three pieces of velcro vertically on each side of the dust shield so that dust shoe skirting can be attached when making the two and three inch end cuts. Cuts down most of the dust escaping.
Oh, I like that david.
Looks like an advent calendar for the parts.
Love your content, Im a Carpentry instructor at our local community college here in Nova Scotia and we have 4 of these same saws they are the best by far and the safety aspect in a setting like the college is priceless.
Cheers and keep up the awesome content.
European style sliding table saw ftw. I'd go with Felder over this any time.
Congratulations on the new slider Saw. I wish I had room for one in my home shop. Used a SCMI with 12x8 slider for years when I was building cabinets, large foot print on it, 18' square. Now that I'm an instructor I spend my summer holiday with my jet table saw. I look forward to watching more of your vides, this was my first. Thanks
That’s awesome Karry!
Sawstop made an excellent choice giving that saw to you. You are very very good at explaining things. I have seen a ton of table saw videos made by new owners and the manufacturer and I would put this one at the top of the pile. Plus your exceptional woodworking skills. Yes Sir, that was a smart move for Sawstop.
Art
Hahahahahaha!!! I love the “Troll of the week!” And to be completely transparent, I’m usually the cynical one. LOL!
Ha! Trying Paul
Christmas! Can you help me talk my wife into letting me get a table saw? 🤣
I should start a scared straight program for wives and husbands with missing fingers
I had been waiting for a sale on a contractor saw, an upgrade from a job site pos I had. My wife saw me watching a hotdog vs Sawstop video and told me to get that one because she like that I had fingers...
The safely feature is great. Owned my for a few years and haven't tripped it and hope I never do, but the quality of the saw is also as good a any others out there.
@@Otto-W Same for me. Had a minor table saw incident a few years before. Was shopping for a new table saw and my wife insisted that I buy the Sawstop. She got no argument from me.
Forget your wife, call up SawStop and tell them to send you a saw for free because you're doing a RUclips review...
i enjoyed watching you set up your sawstop… with sufficient details but not too much… appreciate your personal impressions 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Saw Stop is awesome. I love my 3 HP PCS. Assembly couldn't have been easier. The build quality just can't be beaten and the safety is peace of mind.
ruclips.net/video/ZdlXWX01DMA/видео.html
It definitely can be beaten 😜
Christmas! Did you consider a euro style slider over a cabinet saw? Perhaps a Felder or SCM?
I asked him this before but he just said he wasn’t really interested in them which is his choice. I think every cut in this video would have been easier and faster on a euro slider with a larger blade, particularly I noticed the way the pieces caught on the table and didn’t pull back smoothly and then trying to cut 4” material in two passes is a hassle.
@@austin357 I agree. I own a Hammer K3, and while it's not an "industrial" slider like a Felder or Martin, it's still light years ahead of a sliding attachment on a cabinet saw.
I really need the Sawstop feature. I know some people are comfortable without it. Just a personal choice. A local shop I go to has a Martin slider than can take a 22” blade. It’s pretty slick.
@@BlacktailStudio that’s perfectly reasonable, if we all thought the same the world would be boring. Hopefully felder will eventually bring their non-destructive equivalent tech down from the format4 line!
@@BlacktailStudio The only people that "need" Sawstop need to stay away from table saws all together
Christmas is a wonderful time of year...even in 2020! That is a really nice saw! Hope you enjoy it!🎄
Agreed!
Saw stop has stepped up from the beginning great job guys thanks for supporting cam
Christmas: Wish they were sold in Australia.
They aren’t?? Crazy
Aussie's don't need them, they are used to every thing around them trying to kill or damage them, so are immune. 😁
Carbatec does sell them in Australia.
Bought mine from Carbatec in Sydney
Birthday, for now. Everyone of them brings me closer to retirement.
For sure
Christmas morning. Love seeing my daughter's pure joy. Love the video Cam wish you and your family the best.
Thanks bud! You too!
Great Video ! i was lucky enough in my Career to have worked at a architectual Woodworking Shop that had two Altendorf Sliding Table Saws and because of my Management position i was often capable of using them in a nice quiet Shop on the Weekends when most of the Employeeswere off once you get used to using one it’s very difficult to go back to not using the Sliding Table i’m between homes and shops at the moment but i’m pretty positive the Saw Stop will be my next TablevSaw and i will probably bite the bullet and go with their Sliding Table also
Sawstop if your wanting to give away another one of these I’ll be a willing participant haha
I know right??
european sliding table saws seem so much more thought out. take a look at a felder k700
Just looked that Felder... quite awesome machine
Very true, even the K500p, it's all designed around the sliding table instead of designed around a cabinet saw body.
Oh damn, that fence adjustment is a genuine game changer. Incredible 👌👌
Veterans day. Congratulations on a awesome saw! I would love one in my shop, but my old delta contractors saw will do for now. I actually just went from 1.5hp to a 3hp and it made a world of difference, oh and got a link belt for it.
That’s a good one too!
4th of July. Just wanted to say I love your work and because of you and others like you I started woodworking and my own channel as well. I’ve been watching your videos for some time now and look forward to learning from each of them. Thanks for all you do and good luck! BTW, my favorite video of yours is the burnt table with the happy accident in the corner. 👍👍👍
That was definitely my most popular video!
It's so great when you wait so long for a class tool and finally get it. Congratulations.
15 years ago, before Sawstop, I was in the market for a replacement of my old Craftsman contractor's table saw. I had come into a nice chunk of money and was looking to do this time and be happy for the rest of my life. I was visiting Green Bay, Wi and found Woodworking Depot. At the time, they had one of everything from every manufacturer on display. The clerk steered right to a Delta Unisaw with the 5 HP motor. He was kind enough to give me some information on several others but he had me at "hello" with the Delta. If Sawstop would have been available, I probably would have bought it just for the safety factor but, doing some research on what was available then, it was the Delta....and then everything else. I bought the one with the 52 inch to the right of blade table. I still have it, use it religiously and that 5 HP motor has never once bogged down on anything I cut. Thanks to that guy at Woodworker's Depot, he saved me from buying the 3 HP motor and spending the extra bucks on the 5HP......I'm figuring that this will be the last table saw I'll ever have to buy!
That’s awesome!
Favorite holidays is from Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year time period, i know it’s long but it integrates all the holidays, the spirits and the birthdays of my favorite people. Love sawstop. Your set up is great. William NG is really good, he is local to me. I follow him too for the knowledge he shares. Also since this is the first time I am leaving a comment on your channel I want to take the opportunity to thank you for the videos, the content is informational and thanks for the tips and pointers. 👍🏻
Wow, I appreciate you taking the time to do so
Thanks for your videos you have always been so informative straight to the point showing your mistakes as experience not failures. No need to respond. So glad to see you are doing well. Thanks Chris
Christmas. I've got sooo much saw envy now! Keep the shop updates coming, I really enjoy seeing how you build everything out.
Thanks bud!
Love these table saws. Worked in a cabinet shop that had two of these facing each other and a large outfeed table between them. They were the 3-phase models.
Big boys!
Glad I saw this video! I'm just about to buy a saw and definitely have this on my list. thanks for your great vids!
Memorial Day because we recognize the sacrifices of service members. Very informative and cool to see.
Good call Luis
Christmas 🎄⛄🤶🎅🏼 I agree that their isn't much you can do to get a 100% dust free environment but from what I saw that was really amazing the setup and precise cuts. I also love the fact that you can adjust almost everything so you can have precise measurements. The quality before was awesome with "eyeballing" and tape measure but now you have a 3rd option that will absolutely bring the finished product to another level and increase the quality many times over. Great video Cam 🤘🏻😊🤘🏻
Thanks bud!
May the 4th... Be with you....
Congrats on the partnership with SawStop. You deserve it. By putting in the time and creating the free content you give to many of us inspiring woodworkers.
Thank you and happy holidays!!
I appreciate that support Ian
I purchased the Saw Stop 52" contractor saw in 2020 a month before the price went up $200 . I am happy with my purchase . My only complaint was the power switch installation getting my hand to bolt it up , lucky my wife came to the rescue with smaller hands. I added the mobile base , cast iron wings and over head dust collection
Sawstop is great. Stay warm and thanks for the content and Knowledge
Got the 3hp pcs now, so so happy!
Always cool to see repeat customers as I will be if mine ever kicks the buckets or I move into a bigger space.
Cam, I'm from Canada and oh my favourite holiday is Boxing Day, but not because it's similar to Black Friday in the USA. But because this year it is our 30 year wedding anniversary. It's cool that they gave you the saw.
I love your work. You make some of the best pieces i've been so far. Enjoy your videos!
Thanks bud!
My birthday is my best holiday, not really a holiday but a good day when all my daughters come to see me. Great saw good luck with it.
Thanks Don!
Great channel and stellar work as always. I am subscribed and the bell notification has been activated. I have a Ridgid R4520 table saw. In the next few years when I'll be ready to change table saw and be a more experienced woodworker, I will upgrade to a Sawstop. Thank you for your quality videos.
Christmas.
Hi Cam. I can say with confidence that quality is your hallmark. From the outputs to the tools, I can see you’re on a quest to produce the best as well as use the best. Carry on because I love your videos.
Thanks man
Christmas: man that saw is AWESOME!! The slider is the coolest part. The dust collection does an amazing job of keeping the man glitter out of your lungs. Congratulations brother!!
That’s bud!
Christmas Eve with lots of snow. Keep going one step closer to a finished shop!
Getting there!
Excellent video and congratulations on the upgrade. I love my PCS and since it has served me well for 7 years now. If I were to go full time, I think I would upgrade. Your video had just the right points and content. Well done! BTW, I live in Vancouver WA, so I should connect with you when all this isolation is over.
Thanks bud!
Christmas for me. Great video and very helpful to those of us that are trying to choose which SawStop to get. Thank you!
Thanks Andre!
Great to see you so excited over that saw! My favorite holiday is Easter.
I was born on Easter!
Christmas Day! Thank you for showing the sliding table…I’m waiting for my 3hp PCS 52” with the TSG-FDC to come in. One employee tried to talk me out of the slider but it was what I wanted and your video just enforced the need. I don’t think I need the industrial saw as you have as I’m not a professional. You’re absolutely correct that the employees at SawStop are top notch and they don’t receive any commission if you buy from them and we’re quite happy that I was buying from a local dealership here in N.C. thanks again!
Wow, those instructions really were awesome!
Love my SawStop. I have the PCS now. When I build my new shop in the Spring, after watching this video, I am going to trade up to the ICS.
That’s awesome man. Congrats on the new shop!
Christmas is my favorite time of year.
Super awesome video. I truly enjoy watching what you do and I am going to start creating some videos of my own very soon. I have been watching a number of vid's on Sliding table saws. These look like something I would like to have but now that I see the sliding arm on the Sawstop I am thinking that I could get the best of both worlds with the Sawstop. Thanks for the video.
For sure shaine!
Christmas. This was a great review. I am just a hobbyist so I learn a lot from you and I enjoy watching each of your videos. I have a Sawstop 1.75 PCS and I love it. It’s a Hugh upgrade over my old Delta TS-300. I can’t see ever needing the ICS but it was really informative to see your review. I was especially interested in the slider. Good work as always. I look forward to your videos. Thanks J.
That’s a great saw you have. I’m sure it’s good enough forever!
Boxing Day is the absolute best holiday as nobody has any expectations. Loving the instructions and how the nuts and bolts are packaged.
I didn’t know that!
Every Thursday feels like a holiday because I get to watch a Black Tail video ;)
THATS the best answer
Didnt know they were local to the PNW. You’ve turned me onto a lot of local places in the Portland area. I dream of being able to have a saw like this but even more than that a small shop to work out of. Love the videos and you’re a true inspiration to keep working towards having a fraction of the shop space you have. Love the videos!
I really appreciate that!
FINALLY !!!!
I watched so many RUclips videos where all of a sudden some guy gets a new Saw Stop table saw but never where he comes out and says the truth about the company sending them the Table Saw for free. You Sir just earned my Respect for having the balls to tell your viewers how you got yours. Much love and Peace to you and your family.
Andy from Texas
You seem to think that everyone gets their saw for free and that nobody pays for their tools.. that’s pretty ignorant of how taxes work for one. If a person were to be gifted a product, they still have to claim the value; if they buy it but get to write off the expense because of the use as a video prop, it lowers their tax liability. Smart people know how to game the system and it isn’t from “free” tools.
I had a 5 hp powermatic 66 3 phase for 12 years and loved it. The weight and build were significant. However age and eye sight started to get into my head and realized that my insurance deductible was more than a new SawStop. After reading Chris Schwarz's review of the PCS, judged against his gold standard the Powermatic 66 I went with the ICS which addressed all the critiques Schwarz raised. After using it for 2 months now I like it WAY better than my 66 . The engineering on the different features are clever and fit and finish are top notch. I got the small slider as well . It's a little finicky but I am learning to use it and it is proving very useful.
That’s great to hear. I haven’t used that powermatic. So nice to get the personal feedback.
2:45 it's like a shop advent calendar 😂
Putting that kind of effort into the instructions really shows you the kind of effort they put into their products.
For sure
Thanks for the detailed description of your new saw. Christmas!
New to Your Channel. Great Video and information. Not ready for the Saw Stop Yet, but absolutely love this saw. Thanks for all Your work in putting this Video together. Looking forward to more in the future.
Awesome. About the instructions for your new table saw, well that is what supposed to be. Love the color coordinated with the parts. Agree, 99% of instructions on anything are either scant or if any, not in color and not specific so I usually end up looking for YTb videos a lot for better instructions. Yes, companies should emulate SawStop. May be one I get that table. Congratulations. 🎉
Now those are some quality instructions! Quite a rare thing to see.
For sure
You're paying for them lol.
@@dedalliance1 I've had some cheap furniture come with fasteners packaged in a similar manner.
Easter..... Man that’s a nice piece of equipment and I’m sure there will be amazing projects to follow!!!! Congratulations Cam!!!!
Thanks michael!
Love the whole setup with the framing tech table!!
Thanks!
Here I am with my 8 1/4 dewalt job site saw dreaming of the SawStop contractor model and then I see this… Sweet looking setup for sure! Christmas is the favorite with thanksgiving and Easter tied for second.
Memorial Day (sun, beer, in or around a body of water, Indy 500)!
Keep the shop updates coming. Love seeing the progress!
Thanks buster!
@@BlacktailStudio Somehow, I think Memorial Day is about more than beer, sun and a body of water. It's sad that our younger generations don't understand that.
Awesome! Congrats on the new saw...looking forward to seeing you use it. I got a great deal on a 3hp ics that was used and abused from a school. Unfortunately the kids didn't respect the top of the saw (carved their name in to it etc ) but it works great.
That’s the way to do it! My old PCS was a rescue too.
Good on ya! I was able to pick up the same model with the cabinet maker’s micrometer fence, sliding table and the 6.5hp belt driven 240 3ph industrial motor. There are few better saws on the market….but it set me back two jobs!
Independence day. Congrats on the upgrade. I love my SawStop. The only thing I dont like about it is the cast iron table will rust just by glancing at it with perspiration on your hand. I've cleaned it and waxed it but it's just vulnerable. My old Rockwell was much more resistant to rust. Love your channel.
Oh interesting
Christmas. Brings memories of playing in the snow as a kid long with the tranquil beauty around the mountain meadows I used to go snow-shoeing in. Congrats on the Epic saw upgrade! I'm a huge fan of Hammer/Felder 5 function combination machines, but as a hobbyist I can't really justify that expense.
For sure
Ive owned my sawstop for many years, i ordered one before they were even made, ive yet to find fault in these saws, im a believer ..... woodworker for 35 years and still got all ten fingers!
Any holiday is great for some rest....Nice upgrade on the HP's, bigger shop requires bigger tools and you will be able to process pretty much everything you get a request for, very professional, Congratulations.
For sure Luis
That's one mighty Christmas gift. Congratulations. :)
Agreed!
Good for you buddy. Free saw, I’m happy for you. I have the same model and I love it.
Thanks man, I’m excited
Awesome setup! I just bought the contractor model with the upgraded fence and I love it. I guess, you're welcome!
That’s awesome!
It is just Christmas 🎄. What a piece of equipment, still working with my 1962 Craftsman.
That’s so cool
I got you beat 1953 Shopsmith. 2nd owner but I have a contractor SawStop on order. So someday, hopefully soon, you can be back in the lead.
Easter. Jesus and all that. Great video as usual! You absolutely deserve to be backed by SawStop. You provide excellent workmanship and content! Love to see the shop coming together.
Thanks bud!
Christnmas for me! Thanks so much for the video. My wife ordered this saw for me a couple weeks back. Can't wait to get it. Rockler hasn't been able to tell us when it will arrive but I sure hope it is soon. Merry Christmas!
That’s a good wife!!
Christmas for sure. I’m still waiting to be able to upgrade to the standard sawstop, and now you have me eyeing the industrial one 😂
It’s a good one!
Favorite holiday is Christmas. Merry Christmas to you and yours and enjoy that beast.
You too Randy
Sons BDay & now every day w/Grand Daughters. Congrats on new saw - looks gorgeous- use it in good health. Can’t wait to see a new big project from you.
Thanks Murray!
New year. Id say that most of the viewers would enjoy aa mitre station video. Those aluminium extrusions give me feels that it is next level.
It’s coming! I’m really happy with it.
I had been set on buying a 3hp PCS but still toying with a 5hp ICS , I think you helped me sway my decision to an ICS.
Oh awesome! Enjoy Tyler!