I don't like watching these reviews without the hipster Ben. Although he doesn't know half of the shit that happens in the episode but he still makes it most fun. lol
Notice how Meredith is the only one consistently drinking. That's why her comments are random and annoying. She said Jaime reminds her of Wonder Woman because he wears red and gold...
"I can understand incest between twins, but aunt and nephew who don't know they are aunt and nephew, thats disgustig" I am still trying to find the right words without being mean, how can someone come up with that thought process? It is beyond absurd. Next season plz Ben Cenk Matt John! If someone is missing do it by 3 or 2, but leave out those review ruiners. (And I actually don't want to offend anyone, they are just annoying with their missing background knowledge and opinions that can only be a result of a huge lack of information).
Cenk is annoying and rides over everyone. He can't seem to work with the others on the review, he should stick to solo. Matt actually contributes SOME knowledge...
I don't think she meant that she would be more ok with it in a moral sense, just that she understands that happening better. People usually look for a partner they have a lot in common with, at least if they are looking long term. And obviously the two twins have a lot in common. So I think that's what she meant.
na, it was not her. It was already awkward without cenk and ben. Actually her interuption made this little interesting otherwise this uninspiring boring review.
Which is why she referred to the 'Children of the forest' as the 'first children', mxing it up with the first men ;-) (and yes, one may argue that one can easily confuse those terms, but if you really know the history of a song of ice and fire, then you should be able to distinguish those ...)
No she doesn't! She made so many reference errors that it was annoying. Normally it's ok because generally the panel doesn't have book readers. But she says she's a book reader several times here and meanwhile she called The Children of the Forest "The First Children", she called Elia Martel, the wife of Rhaegar a "Sand Snake", and she thinks that Brans visions "predictions".
Meredith is so negative, and she is constantly talking, You guys should have Ana or Kim do it next season not this random chick who clearly hates so much about this show.
She Hates Dany, She hates Bran and thinks it's cool for twins Cersie and Jamie to have sex....Yeah that makes sense. And she is talking the most in this review
I find her obnoxious Dany hatred a turnoff. These guys know the fans don't like Meridith. It seems like they're putting her in to spite us. Best group is John, Cenk, and Ben with Kim or Anna. Meredith is just a total downer.
Yeah I don't get it. they have had so many people complain about it, it also seems like the other guys get frustrated with her too. The week she was on with Kim you could see Kim taking some deep breathes and tonight Brett looked annoyed too. Though that could just be me thinking that because I was so annoyed with her.
I thought it sounded like Brett was actually saying that he had been quiet, and was therefore trying to get in a few more points before someone else could speak.
Really? He had to least to add, and much of his complaining is explained by events that he's not aware of, or just didn't think about. Plus he did a lot of talking over people to make simple jokes that weren't even funny. ****My bad - thought Brett was John. Everything I wrote above is about Brett. What an insufferable loser.
Except he wants the Hound to get his helmet back, the hound left that behind for a reason, he wants to be Sandor now instead of the Hound, a mere beast.
Cersai WANTED Tyrion to know that she was pregnant. She telegraphed it to him by touching her belly. She was maniopulating him. It had nothing to do with her not drinking the wine, for God's sake.
Sorry, they spent the last episode of the season telling us all the beautiful plans Cersei has for the world. But they all rely on Euron. Like her plans with the Sparrow, it will all go horribly wrong.
I think if there was any tension with the glasses it was because of the way Joffry died. She accused him of adding the poison, he nearly got executed for it and then he's serving her drinks :) That one reviewer being so stubborn about his theory.
George RR Martin was in Helsinki a couple weeks ago eating pizza with his wife next to my husband in a small restaurant. I begged my husband to talk to him as they were sitting in the same seats...but Finns respect privacy too much :D
Miss Meredith, question.. Why is it that every time its mentioned about Jon and Danny incest, you feel the need to physically show us how disgusted you are about it. I get it, im not for it either, however what is worse? Jon and Danny hooking up NOT knowing they are trully related, and did not grow up together? Or Cersei and Jaimie who ARE twins (brother and sister) grew up together knowing it, still had children out of there incest and STILL are hooking up with out hiding it?... I personally still cringe every time I see Jamie and Cersei in a scene but Jon And Danny? Really! Girl.... have a seat you are too extra.
I guess its okay to marry 1st cousins right? Many noble houses married 1st cousins. Tywin and Joanna Lannister were 1st cousins for instance. In other instances some marry niece and uncle as true for The Starks. Jonnel Stark and Sansa Stark married, they were niece and uncle. Although, it was half niece and half uncle making it cousin equivalent? Neds father and mother were cousins, (once removed). Jon & Dany are not even aware they're related. But for some reason it doesn't make me cringe, not in the GOT's world. HOWEVER, Jaime and Cersei does make me cringe. Why is it that Jaime and Cersei make me cringe yet Jon and Dany do not make me cringe.
Targaryen Wolf I can tell you why Cercei and Jon make ME cringe, Its because they are bro and sis, twins, at that and they have always known they are, they grew up together as such. To me thats just... 😨I...I ...cant 🤢🤒
They got John back, though. Matt and Brett are good, but Cenk, Ben, and John are the trifecta that meaningfully dissect the characters - even when Ben can't remember any of their fucking names.
I know! Cenk is the sensationalist and Ben keeps everyone grounded. The John is a know-it-all prick without them to slap him down and Meredith doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.
Why would Bran tell Sansa or Arya that Jon is the son of Lyanna and not Ned? It makes sense that he would wait until Jon is back in Winterfell. Enough with the disgust about Jon and Dany getting it on. The show has already set up that Targaryens breed with each other to keep blood lines pure... this isn't a documentary, it's a show about dragons and a walking dead army.
actually she digs the incest-the twin Lannisters banging is understandable to her, but the family who propegated it's power and genetics and magic with banging siblings and relatives for thousands of years....is not understandable to her...now that logic is weird.
I will only watch this review channel for GOT when JOHN is available. His knowledge and ability to express his thoughts and opinions is stellar! Thank you John for being here!!!
I like how, as an example of characters whose thoughts you get to hear by reading the books, John talks about Rob, who is literally the one main character who never gets a chapter in the books.
What I want to see is Jaime face Bran Stark again. What would they have to say to each other? I've never forgiven him for pushing that boy out of that window and I've never seen him as a hero.
These discussions need Ben or Cenk to keep some organization to them. As much as i like their commentary, keeping this bunch in order is like herding cats.
It's nice to see Jim from the office is still working. I like this group of ppl for these discussions. Each person on this panel knows the characters names, they understand the books, they all have well informed opinions. This is the panel we should have had for each episode. Good job guys
Meredith generally is fine but a little too hyperactive in this episode for my taste. Is she drinking alcohol? Because it doesn't seem like she handles it very well on camera.
Meredith, your squeemies about Jon being Dany's aunt, wtf? So was my 16 yo daughter, until I explain that 1 - A Targaryen thing. 2 - What if they are attracted this way because true dragonblood magic pulls them toward each other. 3 - An aunt or nephew that you didn't grow up with and have NEVER seen, is a stranger. 4 - No one in this world questions the Targaryens marrying each other (like the Pharaohs), but Cersei & Jaime's twin-sex is NOT a "normal" thing. ... get a grip! GOT is a story, not a historical recreation.
"Why should I care about the Night's King?" A lot has already been said about this, but Game of Thrones is a about if you decided to make a show about climate change where different nations have their own interests they need to set aside for the greater threat and the intrigue in how that happens. Climate change is not by itself an interesting "villain". It's a force of nature, but it's also the catalyst for all the drama and intrigue. Same can be said about the army of undead. John makes a fair point that we've already had more than a season of this and that it tough to see what more can be added to to it, but I would rather see something added rather than have them rely a united fight of the living vs the dead.
What the flick, listen to your audience. Get rid of annoying members of your crew before the audience flee. Other than that, i like john for hes insight and matt for his humor :)
I'm getting sick and tired of her cringing at Jon and Dany. Their relationship is hot, beautiful, poetic.... Their relationship IS the song of fire and ice.
If he was, Dany's character wouldn't exist. It's both of them together. Since episode 1 they both have struggled to find themselves and strive to make the world a better place. The series will end with both of them marrying each other, restoring their broken houses, saving the world and making sure it stays that way.
I have to say, I was disappointed with this video. Brett just seems uninterested, like he doesn't want to be there. Meredith overreacts a lot, and seems to just get a lot of stuff wrong (though I did appreciate her pointing out to John that Cersei didn't send Jaime away, he left of his own volition (seriously, how did John not get that? It was the whole point of the scene...)). And in general, a lot of the complaints from John, Brett, and Meredith, either make no sense, or just seem to boil down to "That wasn't what I wanted to happen". People give Ben shit for never remembering names, but he has a good understanding of storytelling and character motivations, and does a great job of leading the conversation and keeping it relevant and interesting. Without him, this was kind of all over the place (though Matt tried his best).
In regards to incest: Previous Targaryen rulers were all bound by tradition, loyalty to family, and political alliance. It’s hard to abolish the practice of incest when so much of your family and the political environment of the entire kingdom depends on those marriages as a claim to power. You could abolish it anyway (and some tried) but keep in mind that might get you killed. Dany’s unique situation is that she doesn’t need to continue the practice of incest. She could re-start the Targaryen dynasty with or without whatever traditions she wants. She’ll be that dynasty’s mother, after all. The tragedy I think is going to be that she will continue the tradition unwittingly with Jon.
TYT, Meredith has a negative effect on these panel reviews. Do not invite her for the last season's GOT episode reviews. Brett can be sunny at times, but he is unnecessarily childish.
Season 7 was the weakest one yet. All most every episode had a showpiece, which is not what Game of Thrones used to do... instead it built up to a showpiece ending and threw perhaps one other in the middle to surprise people. This season lacked almost any of that. It started appallingly with the anti-climatic mass death of House Frey at the hands of an OP child psychopath who then proceeded to not do anything further and ended with the most predictable ending imaginable - the wall falling down by a dragon that needlessly died, thus raising questions... what if the dragon didn't go, would the wall have even fallen? So many plot lines were rushed like Dany and Jon's romance and all of episode six. Almost every major character was given a hero shield and the conspiracy and politics which made GOT popular was practically vacant. No real villain exists aside from a Zombie army which has no dialogue. Most of the characters are cardboard caricatures and extremely predictable, to the point of cringing. Dany seems underwhelming, Jon appears to be a serious white-knight and all the potentially interesting character plot lines were either vacant or seriously unexplored. Sam's was rushed, his memory of the annulment of the marriage could have been a lot better. The Hound's meeting with his brother was just odd. I thought initially the destruction of Dany's fleet was great, but then when each episode had a similar big bang, it just seems unextraordinary. Bran was underused. Where was Varys? Mormont was healed... as he was totally unused one must ask why? Benjen Stark's death was the most stupid of the show. Tyrion's meeting with Cersi was pathetic and unnecessary... made them both look weak. Such a shame that this season, of all seasons, has been a major let down. This was when the major characters came together, instead they all came out appearing flaccid and hopelessly mediocre. I haven't cared less for any of the characters more than in this season. I may read the books actually because Martin will no doubt redeem this.
kietasss that's why they haven't even gone towards the wall until now. If The Night King can see the future and live forever he may have been preparing for centuries for Danerys to bring a dragon. They had no way of getting over the wall.
Favorite part was when the hound kicks the box over and the white walker sprints straight towards Cersei. That was just so epic and it got some reaction from her. Out of all the people that were there it chose her to go after. Amazing. The entire episode was amazing. Seeing the wall coming down made me nervous I loved it.
You guys are great and I'm gonna miss these reviews as much as the show itself, but without Ben and/or Cenk the conversation felt a bit rudderless and all over the place.
Aegon died after Rhaegar did, because he died in the sack of King's Landing, which happened after Rhaegar died at the Trident. So on the assumption that Rhaegar named him, the Aegon he had by Elia Martel was still alive. But it is just as possible that Lyanna named him, not Rhaegar, which could have happened after the death of Aegon at King's Landing, and would have happened afterward if she waited for Jon's birth to name him.
Littlefinger met his end just the way I always thought he would. Right at the moment when he thought he he had achieved a great victory by turning Sansa against Arya, he had the rug pulled out from under him. Perfect!
she's so fucking awful. i'm guessing she's probably Cenk's neice or something, so everyone has to pretend she's good at this. let's not even get started on her wardrobe...
I dislike the falling in love Jon and Dany because you don't need it at this point. It can just start as a political marriage which would be much more interesting.
All the stuff that happened with Cersei (her not killing Tyrion, asking Jon Snow to stay in the north, etc.) played into her plan, which was her plan from the beginning. The only thing is her letting Jaime go doesn't make sense for the plan because she let the one person who knows her secret walk away, after just having said that nobody walks away from her.
I think Jon will die shortly after the Night King is dead dead, I think that the Lord of Light gave him life again only for that purpose, and once that purpose is fulfilled Jon will die. It would also correlate with Dany's luck with men that she falls in love with dying, but she will be pregnant with Jon's baby, so bitter sweet.
Bran's issue is that he can see anything he wants, but unless he thinks of something or he's with someone that triggers are vision, such as Littlefinger did when Bran threw the "Choas is a ladder back into his face" then he does know to even go looking for it. Additionally, he simply sees what happens and can't read minds, which is why he could see Arya at the crossroads but he was surprised she was at Winterfell, as he assumed she continued to King's Landing.
Was it me, or did Rhaegar look way too much like Viserys. I know they are brothers, but I thought it was the same actor who played Viserys, in Season 1.
When in the house of the undying Dany has more visons in the books then she does in the tv series, one of her visions is the following : A man who looks like Viserys, but taller and with darker eyes, who says to a woman nursing a baby, "Aegon… What better name for a King… He is the Prince that was Promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; and when the man’s eyes meet Dany’s, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more… The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play. Dany later concludes this vision must have been Rhaegar and Elia Martell. So Rhaegar and Viserys did look very simular.
Yeah it was kinda irritating, but its does fit since they looked a bit alike and Viserys tried imitate his brother, down to the hair apparently. But it was irritating, they maybe should have given him longer hair just so its not too confusing. But maybe for some watchers this is actually helpful to make the whole connection that they are brothers and dany is the sister. Even though they are spelling it out, it helps. The actor is actually a good choice but we only saw the face in shadow which was maybe counter-productive to this. Either show him full face once or give him a longer wig, that would have both helped I think.
Cersei and Jon/Theon scene were the best things in this ep. That boat sex was so awkward and cringey not necessarily bc of the incest but the editing ruined what could have saved the J/D storyline. Always felt their romance was forced-- their attraction was always talked about by other characters but never shown. Couldn't the writers have given them a sweet/sexy moment before they had that R/L reveal?
I don't know about you guys, but there were many subtle moments in previous episodes that I felt the chemistry coming off the screen. There were many times I thought they were close to kissing. The romance didn't feel any more forced than other relationships on this show to me. I was just hoping it wouldn't happen being that's Auntie Dany and all...
You're entitled to your opinion but if you don't see the purpose of giving the viewer conflicting emotions at that moment we've been waiting for for nearly a decade I have to wonder what you're really getting out of watching this show in the first place.
Psyentist I agree. I love this show because of the complexities of emotion. But what I am saying is that scene where they are consummating their love would have been more impactful if they had played it out more-- showing how much they did love each other rather than having Bran narrate the R/L story on top of it and dilute it-- making the original scene seem mechanical and forced. I didn't feel their love at all. And I think it was bc of the way they edited that together.
WriterusAeternus I agree. The way the scene was edited felt a little awkward. However, I did feel they had built up attraction and chemistry throughout the season.
He pledged to her in person when he made it back from beyond the wall. When she protested against being called, "Dany", he asked if "my Queen" would be better and joked that he would bend the knee if he could, obviously he was serious.
Jon's true lineage is a dangerous piece of information. It will change allegiances and cause conflicts between Jon's allies. Bran realises this and therefore is careful who he tells. He hasnt even told his siblings yet because of this. Bran remembers Sam and even says outloud "you're a good man". Bran knows he can trust Sam with this info because he knows Sam is trust worthy and would never turn on Jon because Jon's lineage doesnt matter to Sam in that polical way.
Episode 1 season 8......(All opinion, no spoilers)......Jon gets reunion, finds out who he really is and tension grows with Dany Episode 2......Torrmon/Beric/Gendry and Jamie arrive to give the group the really bad news, Dany not sure where she should go (-Help defend the North or Defend what she has vs Cersei) Episode 3....Battle for theNorth Episode 4.....Night King is killed and the group are left licking their wounds Episode 5....Lannister group kills someone important, taking control of wherever they are.......Group rides south to final battle Episode 6....Final battle.....Cersei dies....someone takes the throne and remaining survivors get castles and spots to live out their lives Can't Wait....Love this show
This is what I was thinking. I don't even watch that show except here and there and I thought the entire premise was humans fighting amongst themselves while the zombie apocalypse is more like a really bad storm or plague rather than a villain to be defeated.
The way I see Bran and his visions is like a historian reading a history book of the events. He knows all the events, but he doesn't get the human emotions and motivations of the people. That's why he always asks people why they did things, because all he sees is them doing one thing then switching to the opposite
would it be funny and ironic if The Night King just want to negotiate with the living so they can finally be left alone beyond the wall, and the great war is between Dany's army and Cersei's Golden Company.... lol, it's stupid but it sums up humanity to be honest
Well I think its something like that, but it has to be a bit more, since the White Walkers were not bothered up there at all, I mean the Lands of Allways Winter were they apparently live is not even really detailed on the maps, just that its there. So there has to be something else, maybe there is a way for them to get back to Human or something. I don't think they are just coming to conquer, although thats a possibility, that they are just there to kinda bring Humanity together.
Bronn.. "let's go have a drink Pod, I can't work with Lena headey"
Zed nice catch!! I have read somewhere they used to date and it didn't end well.
Yep...un logon ka contract mein hain!!
Lena Headey: "I had to listen to his shitty 80s band, get him out of here."
Oh yeah, I forgot about that!!
wait, that's a thing? does not sound very professional if it's true.
Where are Ben and Cenk? These reviews are not even worth watching without them.
I don't like watching these reviews without the hipster Ben. Although he doesn't know half of the shit that happens in the episode but he still makes it most fun. lol
Please, no Meredith on the GoT reviews.
I don't remember which of the non main 4, guest reviewers, is Meredith.
Notice how Meredith is the only one consistently drinking. That's why her comments are random and annoying. She said Jaime reminds her of Wonder Woman because he wears red and gold...
"I can understand incest between twins, but aunt and nephew who don't know they are aunt and nephew, thats disgustig"
I am still trying to find the right words without being mean, how can someone come up with that thought process? It is beyond absurd.
Next season plz Ben Cenk Matt John!
If someone is missing do it by 3 or 2, but leave out those review ruiners. (And I actually don't want to offend anyone, they are just annoying with their missing background knowledge and opinions that can only be a result of a huge lack of information).
Edit: "Next season plz Ben Cenk John!"
No Matt! Matt is fucking annoying!
Dr. Van Nostrand his know-it-all ness in service of weak jokes is so bad
Also, the creepo twins have kids all the time while Dany can't.
Cenk is annoying and rides over everyone. He can't seem to work with the others on the review, he should stick to solo.
Matt actually contributes SOME knowledge...
I don't think she meant that she would be more ok with it in a moral sense, just that she understands that happening better. People usually look for a partner they have a lot in common with, at least if they are looking long term. And obviously the two twins have a lot in common. So I think that's what she meant.
Next season could you not have Meredith?
Didn't have anybody lol
PLEASE!! NO MORE MEREDITH!!!! Find someone who knows how to sit on a chair, at least! Bring Kim back!!!
Meredith, too much interrupting. Makes the review kinda awkward to watch. :/
I think it's probably from the Mai Tais they're drinking...
She shouldn't drink and do these.
na, it was not her. It was already awkward without cenk and ben. Actually her interuption made this little interesting otherwise this uninspiring boring review.
She's annoying as hell!
She is soooooooo annoying!! I'm not watching this next year if she's on.
The fans want Meredith off, listen.
Best part is when Bret told Meredith to be quiet. :)
Meredith... Get. Over. It. You've had seven seasons. Your overly dramatic cringing is a distraction.
Micheal Grim you must have ocd
Which is why she referred to the 'Children of the forest' as the 'first children', mxing it up with the first men ;-) (and yes, one may argue that one can easily confuse those terms, but if you really know the history of a song of ice and fire, then you should be able to distinguish those ...)
She's super annoying !
She was drunk.
No she doesn't! She made so many reference errors that it was annoying. Normally it's ok because generally the panel doesn't have book readers. But she says she's a book reader several times here and meanwhile she called The Children of the Forest "The First Children", she called Elia Martel, the wife of Rhaegar a "Sand Snake", and she thinks that Brans visions "predictions".
Get rid or Meredithh
Meredith is so negative, and she is constantly talking, You guys should have Ana or Kim do it next season not this random chick who clearly hates so much about this show.
She Hates Dany, She hates Bran and thinks it's cool for twins Cersie and Jamie to have sex....Yeah that makes sense. And she is talking the most in this review
I find her obnoxious Dany hatred a turnoff. These guys know the fans don't like Meridith. It seems like they're putting her in to spite us.
Best group is John, Cenk, and Ben with Kim or Anna. Meredith is just a total downer.
Yeah I don't get it. they have had so many people complain about it, it also seems like the other guys get frustrated with her too. The week she was on with Kim you could see Kim taking some deep breathes and tonight Brett looked annoyed too. Though that could just be me thinking that because I was so annoyed with her.
Emma P her scornful attitude ruins it
when meredith starts talking I skip forward
were you able to see any of the episode?
This was all over the fucking place. Really need Ben to reign the knuckleheads in and keep them on topic
It was mostly drunk Meredith with the verbal diarrhea skipping all over.
John tells Meredith to be quiet.. I caught that
Brett
where?
You know it took all her will power not to start a womens march right then and there.
I thought it sounded like Brett was actually saying that he had been quiet, and was therefore trying to get in a few more points before someone else could speak.
Whats the timecode for that?
Happy to see John here!
Really? He had to least to add, and much of his complaining is explained by events that he's not aware of, or just didn't think about. Plus he did a lot of talking over people to make simple jokes that weren't even funny.
****My bad - thought Brett was John. Everything I wrote above is about Brett.
What an insufferable loser.
Jbjg, I don't know how you can say that when John just got done saying the books are better at some things and the show is better at other things.
Pleasantly surprised to have Jon back :) No Cenk, no Ben, but Jon kinda made up for it. He seems like a such a nice, thoughtful guy
Except he wants the Hound to get his helmet back, the hound left that behind for a reason, he wants to be Sandor now instead of the Hound, a mere beast.
John is looking buff. Or is it just the beard?
Cersai WANTED Tyrion to know that she was pregnant. She telegraphed it to him by touching her belly. She was maniopulating him. It had nothing to do with her not drinking the wine, for God's sake.
Sorry, they spent the last episode of the season telling us all the beautiful plans Cersei has for the world. But they all rely on Euron. Like her plans with the Sparrow, it will all go horribly wrong.
I think if there was any tension with the glasses it was because of the way Joffry died. She accused him of adding the poison, he nearly got executed for it and then he's serving her drinks :)
That one reviewer being so stubborn about his theory.
George RR Martin was in Helsinki a couple weeks ago eating pizza with his wife next to my husband in a small restaurant. I begged my husband to talk to him as they were sitting in the same seats...but Finns respect privacy too much :D
18:55 When the microphone even tries to get away from the most annoying personality on this show..
Kevin Poss 😂😂😂😂😂
Kevin Poss Best comment. :)
hahah
"Be quiet" 22:04 lol
Miss Meredith, question..
Why is it that every time its mentioned about Jon and Danny incest, you feel the need to physically show us how disgusted you are about it. I get it, im not for it either, however what is worse? Jon and Danny hooking up NOT knowing they are trully related, and did not grow up together? Or Cersei and Jaimie who ARE twins (brother and sister) grew up together knowing it, still had children out of there incest and STILL are hooking up with out hiding it?... I personally still cringe every time I see Jamie and Cersei in a scene but Jon And Danny? Really! Girl.... have a seat you are too extra.
Still disgusting
Agreed.
AKA yes it is in the real world
I guess its okay to marry 1st cousins right? Many noble houses married 1st cousins. Tywin and Joanna Lannister were 1st cousins for instance. In other instances some marry niece and uncle as true for The Starks. Jonnel Stark and Sansa Stark married, they were niece and uncle. Although, it was half niece and half uncle making it cousin equivalent? Neds father and mother were cousins, (once removed). Jon & Dany are not even aware they're related. But for some reason it doesn't make me cringe, not in the GOT's world. HOWEVER, Jaime and Cersei does make me cringe. Why is it that Jaime and Cersei make me cringe yet Jon and Dany do not make me cringe.
Targaryen Wolf I can tell you why Cercei and Jon make ME cringe, Its because they are bro and sis, twins, at that and they have always known they are, they grew up together as such. To me thats just... 😨I...I ...cant 🤢🤒
No Ben, no Cenk, no me.
Adam Niagara I'm fucking crying
They got John back, though. Matt and Brett are good, but Cenk, Ben, and John are the trifecta that meaningfully dissect the characters - even when Ben can't remember any of their fucking names.
I know! Cenk is the sensationalist and Ben keeps everyone grounded. The John is a know-it-all prick without them to slap him down and Meredith doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.
Stephen Erickson
Cenk always gloms onto the dumbest stuff and can't stand to be opposed. Matt is awesome.
Adam Niagara well john is the only one who understands the books and the show...
Why would Bran tell Sansa or Arya that Jon is the son of Lyanna and not Ned? It makes sense that he would wait until Jon is back in Winterfell.
Enough with the disgust about Jon and Dany getting it on. The show has already set up that Targaryens breed with each other to keep blood lines pure... this isn't a documentary, it's a show about dragons and a walking dead army.
Meredith is unbearable. Other than that, great review.
kylestyyle987 I understand that auntie and nephew logic. but they don't know that. and it was beautiful.
She can't handle the incest.
actually she digs the incest-the twin Lannisters banging is understandable to her, but the family who propegated it's power and genetics and magic with banging siblings and relatives for thousands of years....is not understandable to her...now that logic is weird.
Disagree. She seems weird and cool. Just like every other cosplayer I've met.
MoodayTV i disagree she seems cool 😎 and weird
You guys constantly interrupt and talk over each other. And try to crack jokes that aren't funny. Please stop that!
I will only watch this review channel for GOT when JOHN is available. His knowledge and ability to express his thoughts and opinions is stellar! Thank you John for being here!!!
No Ben. Fuck. Not gud.
i know right who else is going to be there to fuck up everyones name lol
Bens a pro. He's great at breaking down this stuff.
Indeed. Came for Ben. No Ben, no watch.
jon is worth five Bens
Ben said he would not be here this week...Last Week.
I like how, as an example of characters whose thoughts you get to hear by reading the books, John talks about Rob, who is literally the one main character who never gets a chapter in the books.
Meredith makes this hard to watch
What I want to see is Jaime face Bran Stark again. What would they have to say to each other? I've never forgiven him for pushing that boy out of that window and I've never seen him as a hero.
I can't believe how people seem to just forget about that.
These discussions need Ben or Cenk to keep some organization to them. As much as i like their commentary, keeping this bunch in order is like herding cats.
Daenerys is not dressed like Cersei, she's dressed in the old Targaryen style, like we saw Viserys earlier on first season.
For the game of thrones reviews can we please get Ben Cenk John and Ana
Ninja Warrior don't have to worry about it for 2 years then ever again after the show ends
yes! except without Ben and just have Jon leading the talking points.
they're busy
That chick is so fucking annoying and has no clue about what was going on this episode. And the wall worked for 8000 years nit wit
Why would you want an Armenian genocide denier to review the show? Do you also want David Duke to host?
It's nice to see Jim from the office is still working. I like this group of ppl for these discussions. Each person on this panel knows the characters names, they understand the books, they all have well informed opinions. This is the panel we should have had for each episode. Good job guys
Meredith generally is fine but a little too hyperactive in this episode for my taste. Is she drinking alcohol? Because it doesn't seem like she handles it very well on camera.
Drinking is overrated. Clearly demonstrated.
That moment when Brett tells Meredith to be quiet. . . _so_ fucking beautiful.
Can you guys redo this review and lay off the alcohol next time? This was terrible.
She made this review to be so annoying !! If I see her again I'll just ignore the whole thing....
I agree she's bloody irritating as hell!
John is channelling his inner Tormund, fantastic!
So glad John is back, a genuine fan has good insight into the show with substance
Meredith, your squeemies about Jon being Dany's aunt, wtf? So was my 16 yo daughter, until I explain that
1 - A Targaryen thing.
2 - What if they are attracted this way because true dragonblood magic pulls them toward each other.
3 - An aunt or nephew that you didn't grow up with and have NEVER seen, is a stranger.
4 - No one in this world questions the Targaryens marrying each other (like the Pharaohs), but Cersei & Jaime's twin-sex is NOT a "normal" thing. ... get a grip! GOT is a story, not a historical recreation.
"Why should I care about the Night's King?"
A lot has already been said about this, but Game of Thrones is a about if you decided to make a show about climate change where different nations have their own interests they need to set aside for the greater threat and the intrigue in how that happens. Climate change is not by itself an interesting "villain". It's a force of nature, but it's also the catalyst for all the drama and intrigue. Same can be said about the army of undead.
John makes a fair point that we've already had more than a season of this and that it tough to see what more can be added to to it, but I would rather see something added rather than have them rely a united fight of the living vs the dead.
i can't tell who is more irritating, her, or Brett.
That lady is drunk as. She Really is struggling to put her sentences together.
"FYI, I'm a cosplayer."
Yeah, no shit.
What the flick, listen to your audience. Get rid of annoying members of your crew before the audience flee. Other than that, i like john for hes insight and matt for his humor :)
done
I'm getting sick and tired of her cringing at Jon and Dany. Their relationship is hot, beautiful, poetic.... Their relationship IS the song of fire and ice.
konohahurricane07 No, Jon is the Song of Ice & Fire.
If he was, Dany's character wouldn't exist. It's both of them together. Since episode 1 they both have struggled to find themselves and strive to make the world a better place. The series will end with both of them marrying each other, restoring their broken houses, saving the world and making sure it stays that way.
I have to say, I was disappointed with this video. Brett just seems uninterested, like he doesn't want to be there. Meredith overreacts a lot, and seems to just get a lot of stuff wrong (though I did appreciate her pointing out to John that Cersei didn't send Jaime away, he left of his own volition (seriously, how did John not get that? It was the whole point of the scene...)). And in general, a lot of the complaints from John, Brett, and Meredith, either make no sense, or just seem to boil down to "That wasn't what I wanted to happen".
People give Ben shit for never remembering names, but he has a good understanding of storytelling and character motivations, and does a great job of leading the conversation and keeping it relevant and interesting. Without him, this was kind of all over the place (though Matt tried his best).
Get rid of the two in the middle. Please and thank you!
Exactly, because Jon and Matt can barely get a word in.
Cheddar Bob brett is cool... Meridith is the absolute worst.
In regards to incest: Previous Targaryen rulers were all bound by tradition, loyalty to family, and political alliance. It’s hard to abolish the practice of incest when so much of your family and the political environment of the entire kingdom depends on those marriages as a claim to power. You could abolish it anyway (and some tried) but keep in mind that might get you killed.
Dany’s unique situation is that she doesn’t need to continue the practice of incest. She could re-start the Targaryen dynasty with or without whatever traditions she wants. She’ll be that dynasty’s mother, after all. The tragedy I think is going to be that she will continue the tradition unwittingly with Jon.
Good to see John back; too bad the drunk chick is back.
TYT, Meredith has a negative effect on these panel reviews. Do not invite her for the last season's GOT episode reviews. Brett can be sunny at times, but he is unnecessarily childish.
john iadarola..."how the hell did I get stuck with these 3...."
Meredith you know FOOKin Nuting!
They've either got to not drink when they're doing these things or get better people. This review sucks.
No alcohol for Meredith.
Its treated more as a party for them than a product for us.
Brett, thank you so much.
My issue this whole season has been that the characters are not as smart as they should be!
Meredith looks absolutely plastered.
Season 7 was the weakest one yet. All most every episode had a showpiece, which is not what Game of Thrones used to do... instead it built up to a showpiece ending and threw perhaps one other in the middle to surprise people. This season lacked almost any of that. It started appallingly with the anti-climatic mass death of House Frey at the hands of an OP child psychopath who then proceeded to not do anything further and ended with the most predictable ending imaginable - the wall falling down by a dragon that needlessly died, thus raising questions... what if the dragon didn't go, would the wall have even fallen? So many plot lines were rushed like Dany and Jon's romance and all of episode six. Almost every major character was given a hero shield and the conspiracy and politics which made GOT popular was practically vacant. No real villain exists aside from a Zombie army which has no dialogue. Most of the characters are cardboard caricatures and extremely predictable, to the point of cringing. Dany seems underwhelming, Jon appears to be a serious white-knight and all the potentially interesting character plot lines were either vacant or seriously unexplored. Sam's was rushed, his memory of the annulment of the marriage could have been a lot better. The Hound's meeting with his brother was just odd. I thought initially the destruction of Dany's fleet was great, but then when each episode had a similar big bang, it just seems unextraordinary. Bran was underused. Where was Varys? Mormont was healed... as he was totally unused one must ask why? Benjen Stark's death was the most stupid of the show. Tyrion's meeting with Cersi was pathetic and unnecessary... made them both look weak.
Such a shame that this season, of all seasons, has been a major let down. This was when the major characters came together, instead they all came out appearing flaccid and hopelessly mediocre. I haven't cared less for any of the characters more than in this season. I may read the books actually because Martin will no doubt redeem this.
So what would the dead have done if they didn't get the dragon?
Probably go all zombie pyramid?
kietasss that's why they haven't even gone towards the wall until now. If The Night King can see the future and live forever he may have been preparing for centuries for Danerys to bring a dragon. They had no way of getting over the wall.
kietasss turns out winter hadn't been coming after all... tyrion done goofed
Presumably as soon as the seas surrounding Eastwatch froze over they could have simply walked around.
They'd wait patiently for eons and eons until dragons emerged once again.
Damn John, definitely loving the beard. Straight up Tormund vibes.
The lady on the panel is so annoying!
Favorite part was when the hound kicks the box over and the white walker sprints straight towards Cersei. That was just so epic and it got some reaction from her. Out of all the people that were there it chose her to go after. Amazing. The entire episode was amazing. Seeing the wall coming down made me nervous I loved it.
Meredith is so out of place.
You guys are great and I'm gonna miss these reviews as much as the show itself, but without Ben and/or Cenk the conversation felt a bit rudderless and all over the place.
john is the best thing about this review.
Meredith looks a bit like Rita Skeeter, especially with those glasses.
So uh why the hell did Rhaegar name jon Aegon when at the time had a son named Aegon why not Jaehaerys probably would have made more sense
King Gravity The plot holes just keep on coming, don't they?
Cause he was a huge believer in prophecies, so when it didnt work out with the first continue on to the second ;)
Sanjay Mahendrdraj the first one was still alive though
JedimindhaX in the book he is ;)aka young griff
Aegon died after Rhaegar did, because he died in the sack of King's Landing, which happened after Rhaegar died at the Trident. So on the assumption that Rhaegar named him, the Aegon he had by Elia Martel was still alive. But it is just as possible that Lyanna named him, not Rhaegar, which could have happened after the death of Aegon at King's Landing, and would have happened afterward if she waited for Jon's birth to name him.
Littlefinger met his end just the way I always thought he would. Right at the moment when he thought he he had achieved a great victory by turning Sansa against Arya, he had the rug pulled out from under him. Perfect!
Meredith is unbearable.
John, you're looking great with that beard! Nice review guys!
Meredith getting progressively more tipsy over the course of the video as she continued to drink her fruity beverage lol
I've got a feeling Meredith actually believes Don Darion is a real character.
also who the fuck is Meridith, why not kim scorcher or Ana Kasparian...
Glen Livet she's having another rhinoplasty.
Glen Livet
Exactly, who wants to listen to that completely delusional ranting lunatic?
she's so fucking awful. i'm guessing she's probably Cenk's neice or something, so everyone has to pretend she's good at this. let's not even get started on her wardrobe...
Actually i like her contribution more. Also why compare her to only female reviewers
oh no not anna, not for reviews, please no...
The scene with the dragon taking down the wall was amazing BUT I would have liked to see the entire wall come down. Anyone else wanted that too?
I was hoping that wouldn' happen because it would have been too cartoonish. I'm glad it stopped.
I dislike the falling in love Jon and Dany because you don't need it at this point. It can just start as a political marriage which would be much more interesting.
Has to be falling in love. Jon would never agree to a political marriage
Random Default bingo
All the stuff that happened with Cersei (her not killing Tyrion, asking Jon Snow to stay in the north, etc.) played into her plan, which was her plan from the beginning. The only thing is her letting Jaime go doesn't make sense for the plan because she let the one person who knows her secret walk away, after just having said that nobody walks away from her.
No Ben or cenk this is not good. But, I will still watch.
I think Jon will die shortly after the Night King is dead dead, I think that the Lord of Light gave him life again only for that purpose, and once that purpose is fulfilled Jon will die. It would also correlate with Dany's luck with men that she falls in love with dying, but she will be pregnant with Jon's baby, so bitter sweet.
"The books are good, but the TV series is better." - Wait, what? I think that Mai Tai really kicked in hard.
Well some people don't like the completely drawn out storytelling of George or his writing style. Those poor souls....XD
Bran's issue is that he can see anything he wants, but unless he thinks of something or he's with someone that triggers are vision, such as Littlefinger did when Bran threw the "Choas is a ladder back into his face" then he does know to even go looking for it.
Additionally, he simply sees what happens and can't read minds, which is why he could see Arya at the crossroads but he was surprised she was at Winterfell, as he assumed she continued to King's Landing.
Was it me, or did Rhaegar look way too much like Viserys. I know they are brothers, but I thought it was the same actor who played Viserys, in Season 1.
reglavcor probably the same wig
When in the house of the undying Dany has more visons in the books then she does in the tv series, one of her visions is the following :
A man who looks like Viserys, but taller and with darker eyes, who says to a woman nursing a baby, "Aegon… What better name for a King…
He is the Prince that was Promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; and when the man’s eyes meet Dany’s, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more… The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play.
Dany later concludes this vision must have been Rhaegar and Elia Martell.
So Rhaegar and Viserys did look very simular.
Definitely the same actor; such a disappointment
reglavcor thought exactly the same and that's why he was in shadows. Same guy.
Yeah it was kinda irritating, but its does fit since they looked a bit alike and Viserys tried imitate his brother, down to the hair apparently. But it was irritating, they maybe should have given him longer hair just so its not too confusing. But maybe for some watchers this is actually helpful to make the whole connection that they are brothers and dany is the sister. Even though they are spelling it out, it helps. The actor is actually a good choice but we only saw the face in shadow which was maybe counter-productive to this. Either show him full face once or give him a longer wig, that would have both helped I think.
I generally like Meredith's contributions, but not this time.
Cersei and Jon/Theon scene were the best things in this ep. That boat sex was so awkward and cringey not necessarily bc of the incest but the editing ruined what could have saved the J/D storyline. Always felt their romance was forced-- their attraction was always talked about by other characters but never shown. Couldn't the writers have given them a sweet/sexy moment before they had that R/L reveal?
I don't know about you guys, but there were many subtle moments in previous episodes that I felt the chemistry coming off the screen. There were many times I thought they were close to kissing. The romance didn't feel any more forced than other relationships on this show to me. I was just hoping it wouldn't happen being that's Auntie Dany and all...
You're entitled to your opinion but if you don't see the purpose of giving the viewer conflicting emotions at that moment we've been waiting for for nearly a decade I have to wonder what you're really getting out of watching this show in the first place.
Psyentist I agree. I love this show because of the complexities of emotion. But what I am saying is that scene where they are consummating their love would have been more impactful if they had played it out more-- showing how much they did love each other rather than having Bran narrate the R/L story on top of it and dilute it-- making the original scene seem mechanical and forced. I didn't feel their love at all. And I think it was bc of the way they edited that together.
WriterusAeternus oh please. family slept together back then when they weren't attracted to each other. the sex was inevitable.
WriterusAeternus I agree. The way the scene was edited felt a little awkward. However, I did feel they had built up attraction and chemistry throughout the season.
He pledged to her in person when he made it back from beyond the wall. When she protested against being called, "Dany", he asked if "my Queen" would be better and joked that he would bend the knee if he could, obviously he was serious.
Hahahahahahaha! Had to do an edit when drunk girl started babbling on.
Jon's true lineage is a dangerous piece of information. It will change allegiances and cause conflicts between Jon's allies. Bran realises this and therefore is careful who he tells. He hasnt even told his siblings yet because of this. Bran remembers Sam and even says outloud "you're a good man". Bran knows he can trust Sam with this info because he knows Sam is trust worthy and would never turn on Jon because Jon's lineage doesnt matter to Sam in that polical way.
You can call him Theon Mayweather-Stark-Greyjoy.
Psyentist LMFAOOOOOOO CHILL
No Cenk... NO REVIEW!!!!
Why is that so hard to understand!?!??!!?
Blonde woman can be grating.
Mr. Night King, tear down this wall!
Inane conversation is the best thing you can say about these fools.
No kidding - I loathe these puerile nobodys and their egos.
These WTF reviews are really only fun when you have Cenk bulldozing over everyone else.
Episode 1 season 8......(All opinion, no spoilers)......Jon gets reunion, finds out who he really is and tension grows with Dany
Episode 2......Torrmon/Beric/Gendry and Jamie arrive to give the group the really bad news, Dany not sure where she should go (-Help defend the North or Defend what she has vs Cersei)
Episode 3....Battle for theNorth
Episode 4.....Night King is killed and the group are left licking their wounds
Episode 5....Lannister group kills someone important, taking control of wherever they are.......Group rides south to final battle
Episode 6....Final battle.....Cersei dies....someone takes the throne and remaining survivors get castles and spots to live out their lives
Can't Wait....Love this show
I am sooooooo happy to see John back again!! Love it!
I like that Littlefinger, for all his plotting and scheming, was COMPLETELY taken by surprise at his, "trial."
He didn't see THAT coming! 👍
Human vs humans vs zombies is the walking dead
This is what I was thinking. I don't even watch that show except here and there and I thought the entire premise was humans fighting amongst themselves while the zombie apocalypse is more like a really bad storm or plague rather than a villain to be defeated.
Malek Karim plus dragons
The way I see Bran and his visions is like a historian reading a history book of the events. He knows all the events, but he doesn't get the human emotions and motivations of the people. That's why he always asks people why they did things, because all he sees is them doing one thing then switching to the opposite
would it be funny and ironic if The Night King just want to negotiate with the living so they can finally be left alone beyond the wall, and the great war is between Dany's army and Cersei's Golden Company.... lol, it's stupid but it sums up humanity to be honest
Well I think its something like that, but it has to be a bit more, since the White Walkers were not bothered up there at all, I mean the Lands of Allways Winter were they apparently live is not even really detailed on the maps, just that its there. So there has to be something else, maybe there is a way for them to get back to Human or something. I don't think they are just coming to conquer, although thats a possibility, that they are just there to kinda bring Humanity together.