TBH, most women already practice polygamy but are in denial calling their sister wife terms such as side piece, jump off, baby mama, hoe, home wrecker...Everybody move in one house to cut expenses, Raise those kids together and call it a day...since y'all doing it anyway. 🤷🏿♀️
I hate when proponents of polygamy use this argument. There are many of us who are against polygamy who would not accept infidelity from their spouses. Such a weak argument, your guy is gonna cheat anyway so you might as well let him marry a second wife? 🙄 So stupid.
what are you talking about? There is no way to accept a man sleeping with other women and then coming back to me. I won't accept that and that's because it's disrespectful and it shows a lack of self control. Most of theses men in support of polygamy cant even handle their woman looking at another guy and they can't handle being faithful to one woman but think they can handle multiple ones? I'm not cool with sharing my body with everybody. Just cuz it's happening doesn't make it acceptable. You already see how much dysfunction it causes.
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DUMBASS SAID. Polgamy is a consensual type of relationship that multiple people agree on and you just compared it to hoe ass niggas who can't keep their dicks out of other women and who hide and lie their deeds. That's how I know yall not going to be responsible enough to engage in polygamy. If any woman has an ounce of sense, she would stay away.
Miss Piggy no that's not even close to the same thing lol. Baby daddy is a title that isn't respectable at all and you don't get wife benefits being just a baby mama
@@sparkman1314able there are actually no similarities at all. "Baby mama" is a title that comes along with no privileges and very little respect. A baby mama in no way can be compared to a wife. I say this having a child by a man that I am no longer with so I am technically a baby mama. I don't, haven't and wouldn't sleep my my baby daddy ever again. He's with another woman but the two of us aren't "sharing" a man. He is alllllll hers lol. I'm also in a relationship and those men aren't sharing me because I know which one I belong to. He also has a baby mama that he has had no relationship ties to in years so again there is no sharing. So unless the man is still in relationships with both baby mamas and they are both aware and accepting of it and both reap benefits from him then there is no comparison at all.
It depends on how you look at it. If your family is materialistic and worldly then of course a average man can't afford that. That's what wrong with family's now. Materialism!
+vohnholley I was thinking more along the lines of needs. I don't think the women in that type of marriage should work outside the home. But it's not that big of a deal because that doesn't effect me.
I personally believe it should be a choice whether to work or not to work. Unfortunately greed it the way of life here in the states.We need to be reprogrammed. Polygamy isnt for everyone but for many, it would behoove us to keep an open mind.
Well women are also liberated financially, so they can work and contribute to overall economic wealth, especially if they don't have children. Also, as vohnholley mentioned if materialism is an issue, then very few top tier men in *society* can even sustain polygynous relationship. Materialism is bad for everyone in general and contributes to corporate green and destruction of a lot of things anyway.
This conversation between these two went very well. The woman was not only listening and responding, but she took the time to think and retort without using emotion and they both were able to have an intellectual and thought provoking dialogue. Much respect to Dr. Johnson, and the sister.
The way y’all expect literal human beings to never use emotion is wild to me. We are not robots. Men like you are so weird. The way y’all talk about women shows how dick obsessed you are. You didn’t even use her name and you only talked about the way she responded. I’d expect someone with a pfp and name like yours to act like this tho. This is what no hugs do to a man.
@@corimoon3360 exactly! tired of these males thinking men don't use emotion. He thought he was saying something and giving a compliment. Very backhanded compliment.
Life is NOT fair, let's get that out the way. Now here's some rules that will change our community for the better! 1. No kids before age 26 PERIOD. 2. No kids before being married successfully for 3 years, and having BOTH parents sign an understanding that they BOTH want to have a child and have a written up plan of how they plan to provide and care for said child. 3. Hold children to an academic standard of A-B honor roll! Blacks do not put the proper value on education which is the key to success. 4. Live well BELOW your means! No designer foolishness and fake hair and nonsense. 5. No killing black people. 6. Actually be a parent when you have children and protect their innocence and keep them from growing up so fast 7. Vote FOR black issues and support BLACK interests 8. Support Black owned businesses Follow these rules and see if their isn't a change for the BETTER
@@BittyCryp It has to be, otherwise you won't get any progress, and a lot of what he said is backed by data and sound logic. Fact of the matter is, you cant just allow anyone to do whatever they want to do and expect a certain result.
The concept of romance practised by many blacks currently is European...eg..do you know on the weekends African men would spend time with other men i.e their brothers,cousins mostly and women the same but now its a must you be with your girl on the weekend and everyday other day your together .....a man will not be in a place of women if he is married but a place of men...adultery highly reduced....
Polygamy is ok but Polyandry is not ...Polyandry means marital Brothel system. If one woman mates with more than a man then she becomes gents' urinal. Because men ejaculated semen and urine drops. Thats why polygamy is acceptable but polyandry is perceived as dirty thing. Because of difference in working way of sex organs in which one discharges or pours fluid and the other one receives , gathers and ""absorbs"" that fluid , normally female virginity is given importance in real mankind. For "animals" there is no importance of female virginity. If men uses genital in public toilet and accidentally penis touches the pot , it makes very uncomfortable unless shower is taken. But it's surprising how come many men accepts and dips their dick into that vegina which has been earlier urinated by other man.
It is very fine for a woman to seek to be financially independent. What is a great blessing for a woman too have a dependency upon her head, her leader, her husband as well.
@@absmith5188 THE MOST STUPID SHIT IVE EVER HEARD! IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY?? "YOULL BE CHEATED ON.." SIMPLE MINDED TO FORCE WOMEN TO SHARE NO GOOD, CANT PROVIDE, SASSY, EGOTISTICAL, LOW VIBRATIONAL, POOKIE MEN!
Im a straight black man who does not promote polygamy. I dont see many black men supporting and raising one family faithfully, so bringing another woman in doesn't seem right.
Thank you, I watched a docu of a family that practices it, and the first wife said that once men who are considering it realize the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it, the decide against it. I was with somebody that tried to force that on me & ultimately decided to kick me AND his 2 children out & said he’ll just make some more babies 🤦🏾♀️ lol.... exactly why this won’t ever work
@@justxkendra OMG THE SAME EXACT THING JUST HAPPENED TO ME!!!! It happens ALOT in the Hebrew Israelite Community!! I was with my twins father for a year put through SO MUCH hell!!! He put us out to be with another woman who supports polygyny & him financially!!! I am BEYOND piss because he told me (Go ahead put me on child support I can just make more babies)
@@justxkendra that's the thing I'm all for my people, I'm all for Israel but will that make against TMH if I were to follow through? Because I need help I didn't make these boys by myself & their father who I considered my husband is forcing me to make decisions I don't want to make.... I need help $15 here & there will not help me & these camps have a way of making you feel guilty for doing what needs to be done & standing up for your self not all camps but aloot of them do especially when it comes to the woman they treat them like trash!! & It's not right, I see alot of men go into polygyny not to build a nation in the correct order as it should be, but for their own selfish reasons!! For their benefit alot these camps use these women not for the will of TMH but for their own selfish purpose....
It not about sharing your man it about loving your sisters and helping each other raise the kid , to help Reduced load and the stress of being a single mother trying to make sure everything straight by yourself
@@aaronjohnson7619 they don't want to accept it, but women already rely on other women to help, they call them babysitters instead of just "women". Men with means attract multiple women who agree that they like the same man. Those situations look identical to polygyny.
Polygamy - I was once against it. It’s not for me - but I understand it’s just like any relationship - there’s still the partnership, trust, honesty and respect involved, resulting in happiness and love for the entire family. It all falls apart when theirs secrecies and lies resulting in betrayal
As a single male expecting a six figure income upon graduation, I always thought polygamy was wrong because I couldn’t imagine my sister going through that, so why on earth would I put another women through that...I definitely need to reflect with God on this one because I’m hearing more logical arguments on the pro side, and more emotional arguments on the anti side... so I’m not sure if I’m pro, but quite frankly the media has corrupted our minds and I do think people should be more open to having these serious conversations instead of emotionally blowing it off...
Don’t do it, don’t devalue your self or a female. Changing the system is what needs to happen. Fighting to get rid of privately owned prisons is what we need to do having more educational resources for young black males is important promoting male mentorship programs is important. Sharing a meal is gross. Not to mention the same thing will happen you have two females producing children by one male they will always be more women than men.
Id like to touch on “private prisons” Research how many of those prisoners are black men. Then research how many of them come from a single parent more particularly single mother household.
Which is why polygamy would work. The men that CAN'T support themselves are put to the side, and the men that can support more than one woman will have no issue doing so. Woman aren't obligated to get into a relationship with men that can't support themselves.
That's in the old testament. Polygamy was allowed actually. But God forbiddened it because of the abuse of power males had. The focus wasn't on building a family and respecting women anymore it shifted to extreme lust and extreme want for pleasure. In the new testament it's forbidden.
@Daddy P i see you know the diff, between polygyny and polygamy, christianity cannot define nor explain true hebraic culture, which polygyny is found in and btw nowhere in the whole bible does the tmh forbid it as well , kudos to your deeper learning sir. most dont know the true meaning behind polygyny and polygamy they are not the same.
RedIgauna Unfortunately after all was set and done those women did no good for the men and the men ended up regretting marrying so many women. Especially Solomon. He found out that the women were leading him astray from worshiping God.
@@God.sDaughter false David had no regret, and nor did Solomon. The God of the bible was angry with Solomon because he partook in the rituals and ceremonies forv the gods of his foreign wives. Solomon was the most wise BECAUSE of the knowledge attained from exposure to so many women and cultures. But the God of the Bible is a jealous God
It’s perfectly fine to create the life that you want for yourself and not the one society wishes for you. If you want a monogamous relationship or marriage, cultivate that. If you want to have a relationship with a desirable man, go for that and continue to be a desirable woman during that process. I think the real shocker that people will see over the years is more Black women entering into monogamous marriages with desirable non-Black men if the dating pool of Black men becomes too small.
I don't care how much of a draught or men shortage there becomes, I will be alright by myself if it came to this. There is nothing wrong with being ok being by yourself.
I know a black man who had four “wives” within the span of twenty years. They all lived together. He eventually left all of them for a much younger woman- with whom he later had a child. He’s still married to this younger woman and her alone.😑
Polygamous marriages are more stable than monogamous marriages. Americans marry 3 or 4 times in their lifetimes but they think it's ok if they do that one at a time, which is much worse. Getting divorced and remarried multiple times is the norm and socially acceptable but it's not good especially for the children nor society in general.
I do not believe in polygamy relationships at all because my faith says it’s not right, but from a realistic stand point for the men that believe in polygamy, most of your actions don’t even equal up to you attaining the responsibility of having a polygamist relationship. You’re not faithful to a simple phone plan, how can you be faithful to two women... some of you men aren’t in your children lives and neglect the very one woman that loves you for you, but you want to add on one more woman to the equation... I call bull crap. Men, let’s be faithful to one woman and one woman only, we can not build up our community if our homes are broken, have a relationship with whatever religion god or belief higher than yourself and nature, have moral about yourself AS A MAN, stay home with your woman and treat her right love your kids and work hard to provide knowledge, wisdom, and assets for your next generation. Once we tackle our home problems, then and only then will we build up our communities. Kick this polygamy bs to the curb
Brother Umar too smart his reply on polygamy shut her down but in a good way. Great dialogue with tremendous respect for one another. She had great points as well. When you take on multiple wives it means that you accept responsibility. Family continuity is the only thing that matters. Polygamy has been practiced by black people since the beginning of time.
Umar is a clown he's not a therapist first off !!! All he's doing is massaging a sort of grooming of his goals his real agenda into the Mass 's ....he's a loser just ask his abandoned daughters
A man in a polygamous relationship doesn't need to be able to provide for all the wives. The wives can work too. All of them can work as a team to provide for the whole family.
Polygamy is a business. If one wife is home caring, the other is out working w the man. It's about the kids, and it's about the unit, not the individual
I’m just glad a few people in the comment section have mentioned that polygamy is NOT for everyone. As an individual, I personally do not agree with it and I’m not sure if on a global scale that it has had a major impact on African-Americans as a collective. In the words of lauryn hill “it could all be so simple...but you’d rather make it hard”.
Here my parents were each other's first everything, stayed married monogamously 50 years until their deaths, and instilled this in us. I guess that's why I am loner.
Jeez, ppl are so insecure and want.others to act like them. Also, tell me, except for lust, why on earth would anyone have more than 1 wife/ husband at a time?? More kids that you are not even gonna be around enough (no, money is comfort but doesn't raise kids)
I don't see what the issue is with a man having one wife.. that's extremely selfish to want a woman to share something that's really not meant to share...
Says who? Who says it’s not meant to share? Cuz tbh monogamy fails quite often. Not saying everyone should be polygamous but it ain’t this horrible thing people make it out to be. Hell if I had two girlfriends and babies by both of them no one would say anything at all 😂
do people realize that polygamy is not about AFFORDING women and wives? it's about men who have attained or been born in wealth. the practice polygamy as a way of keeping the wealth inside of the family and want their bloodline to grow to a size that will manage all they have. because the amount of wealth that one man has cannot be managed just by one child. this isn't about just having a shit load of wives. it's inheritance, upper class families practice this.
Rain And Petalsss 3 or more incomes should help grow familial wealth. Many people aren’t ready to deal with the social responsibility that comes with that
The tragic part is we don’t realize it and applaud anything that begins show or give inclusion to us, which is even more delusional. For example as a young West Indian descent girl I remember telling my parents here, in America, we have a black ( Vanessa Williams) Miss America. My grandmother said to me what does that “ mean” to you? We,West Indians have always had black women win😏❤️👏🏾 Revelation moment ✅ I understood what she was trying to teach me constantly if I would listen Peace
Polygamy is just a way of excusing a man’s inability to have one woman the way it should be. As far as sister wives go, get some damn friends for God’s sake.
I agree with the brotha and I have been looking for a sister who is open to polygamy. I am very successful and I can support two women and be faithful.
"Is this what we've come too??? Embracing a community of people who chose to live life in a adulterous type manner. I don't remember my grandparents or their parents, demeaning themselves to this magnitude in order to find a point of resolve. The outcry for what is needed and what is necessary, has already been addressed by Dr. Umar in this very episode. Me-ISM!!! ....individualist ideas individualist behavior.. Individualist thinking and rationalization; are all recipes for barriers that forgo forward progress. Polygamy is an excuse for men to do what we've always done throughout history, "indulge in ourselves" God gives man and woman free will. "What you chose to do with it is ON YOU!!!
Duane Bishop I think the men who agree with Umar, are ones who have no intentions on getting married anytime soon. They either don't value marriage or don't value themselves enough to not expose themselves to stds, out of wedlock children and a lack of self respect. It takes a self respecting, humble and mature man to write the comment that you did. Bravo
There was polygyny in the bible if you're going to take the ignorant religious route. and 85% of societies were polygynous prior to widespread monogamy. It's a more 'natural' and beneficial state for man(singular) and women(plural).
@@rainandpetalsss6244 The bible never stands _against_ it implicitly or explicitly, and you're religion aside, it's biologically the most _natural_ state of man and women. I care not for your religion, this is the real world, not a 'fairytale' book.
Yup, all I get from this is "men already cheat anyway, we might as well accept it and make it okay." "Let the men cheat in peace!" It's all bullshit. Hold these men accountable. Don't reward their behavior because we are DESPERATE!
Speak for you. There is no man as wonderful as the black man. Strength, loving, passion, logic. I have a helluva black husband. Strong but gentle. A leader with patience. And I know that the black man I have is so rare. And if there is a black woman that could benefit in our relationship, I am open.
Definitely SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. That's EXACTLY! What they wanted you to do hints why black men are even put in such a set up for failure system to begin with anyway. But, in the end the wypipo time is over... it is TOO LATE. 🌍🧘🏾♀️👑✊🏾
This was very interesting. I agree black women do need to love each other and show more respect for each but I'm selfish, and no way would I share my husband with another woman. I don't think polygamy is the answer to it not being enough black men for women. The answer, I believe, lies in the fact that we as a community need more unity, better role models and a better educational system.
--- because that somehow creates more men??? There's a shortage period. So unless you want the women left out to become lesbian or nuns, good luck. P.S. You're the ones with the problem. Selfish! Destroy the whole for preservation of self!
+Gr8nessnMe070 If we had more leaders, better education, better opportunities and less people out for themselves maybe these young men would learn how to be men. Maybe alot of them wouldn't spend the majority of their youth and adult life in jail. There isn't a shortage at all, they aren't available. I don't have a problem at all, I'm not losing any sleep worrying about a women turning to women because they cant share my husband with me.
Polygamy is the definition of unity and a better education system. And better role models is a given when dealing with the maturity that it truly requires to be polygamous.
I admire Dr Umar for putting his ideas forth. Everyone has a choice and he is just bringing an idea forth to look at solutions and he is brave enough to do just that.
First, as a black people we need to love, empower, and accept ourselves. Once you do that, everything else aligns. Trying to out number white people with tradition is counterproductive. We need to learn to work through our traumas and stick together as a people.
The reality is once a woman has a child, which is nearly inevitable considering biology, she is IMMEDIATELY OUT of the labor force. (Unless you want your child being raised by some outside source after the 6 weeks passes in which she has maternity leave.) So anyway, she leaves the labor force because she has to take care of her offspring. This alone shows that a man who wants multiple wives needs to be able to care for his multiple lives. And not in the projects. Why is it so hard for people to believe? I, like many black women, have a master's degree and plenty of skill sets, but if I reproduce then my first and most important skill will be daily rearing of the next generation along with my husband. I won't be going out to work for some white man. And if I do entrepreneurship, it will come secondary to raising our children and taking care of our home. So for those who think they're going to have a harem in which a whole bunch of women work and bring in the majority of income while the man sits around and keeps on having sex? Doesn't make any sense. And women who fall for that are simply thirsty and need to get their hormones in check. Men would never tolerate that from women if the tables were turned, so women should not tolerate that from men.
Sis in Transition I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated. The man is made to provide and protect his family and his home REGARDLESS, so in polygyny, that role would certainly not change. If anything, it would increase his responsibility.
In zimbabwe when a man is marrying a woman and goes to the court to sign the marriage certificate, he is given a choice between two types of marriages. They ask if he would want to marry more women later or is going to only marry one wife for life. If he opts for polygamy he gets a certificate which allows him to come back and add more wives therefore allowing his wives to all be legally married to him and in the event of the husbands death they are all entitled to an equal share of the inheritance
Strategies that work, work, regardless of where they came from. Stop thinking you can build your ideal with a dollar and a dream, hands need to get dirty, always.
First and foremost i think it needs to be understood that polygamy is about the village; the community. Polgamy is more or less about a private affair, its about the whole. At the end of the day a man is going to do his best to take of his family whether if he has one wife or multiple. So i don't understand why people keep saying "its up to the man to be able to afford having several wives". As if a woman is a product that needs to be reup. The whole point of polgamy is an all hands on deck approach; everyone brings the resources to the table for the betterment of everyone. Too many people are interpreting polgamy from an individualistic standpoint. Like i said before a man is going take care what needs be done regardless but please understand the words in which we use. Does a man really need to be able afford multiple wives or should they be building together. Affordability is based on perspective and not on building together. Some people are higher maintenance then others, which proves my point affordability is not based on building. Building is everyone put their talents, skills and resources to the table. From their you have common ground which is the setting stones for empire or whichever place you aim to reach
Yall need to do deep research about polygamy before jumping the guns. Practically its a disaster and failing in Africa. (I have never heard that economics is the reason for polygamy in Africa, its more about prestige for a man to have more wives and children and gratifying sexual desires. Please don't be decieved. )
Please tell them. In Nigeria it's just to boast that you have 2 or more wives. A display if wealth. And the Gold digger second etc wives. Looking for a male child. Polygammy is BS.
It's not about we don't have enough men it's more about we don't have enough responsible men it's about we don't have alot of men that's loving caring faithful don't get me wrong if a man chooses to be in a polygamy relationship and it works that's great but we shouldn't have to share 1 man in order to be with a man I don't think thats the solution to the problem
There are plenty of responsible men you all just don't want them. Responsible men are not going to be the court jesters that most women love so much therefore they label them as "boring." A lot of women are immature and only look at how much fun and exciting a guy is and will choose solely based on that. Does he have family values? Is he responsible? Does he have goals? Does he have a plan for the future? Is he reliable? Does he have integrity? These questions are never asked because as long as he's fun, dresses nice, likes to go out, has a decent car, among other superficial nonsense that will be enough for most women to have children with him. It's just when things don't work out for them because of their juvenile selection process then women want to point the finger at the male gender. The problem is YOU and YOUR CHOICES.
@@chocolatenikki you may be a deadbeat and you may know it. Speak for yourself you don't know me to make that accusation. Godlyinspirations41 is my and my wife old channel where we talk about God. Please don't accuse us all my father was a deadbeat
@@kuunami No point in arguing with women, it's never their fault. Problem is allowing women's to freely choose that's the problem, and they _naturally_ choose poorly and exploit a system that supports the exploitation of men. Don't worry though, the bubble always bursts, it's only a matter of time.
POLYGYNY 1. Increased political viability due to increased numbers. 2. Increased disposable income, due to pooling of resources, that could be used to invest and, therefore, solidify economic infrastructure. 3. Best balance between sexual/social/societal chaos (polyamory/promiscuity) and sexual/social/societal order (monogamy). It addresses man's instinct to copulate and procreate with many women, for the purpose of diversifying his genetic legacy to increase the chances of genetic survival; and women's monogamous instinct to select the most resourceful, stable, and attractive (genetically fit) mate possible, who's offspring she must sacrifice for and invest time and energy in until maturity. 4. Mirrors Nature- objects that are considered masculine, such as the Sun, are often surrounded by objects that are considered feminine, such as the planets (Mother Earth) or moon (which govern the woman's menstrual cycle). "Can you afford it" is women's way of shutting down the possibility of polygyny, knowing the vast majority of black men's answer is going to be "no". The fact of the matter is black society only owns/controls 2.6% of the nation's wealth, we must strategize as to how we can make it work until the children mature and are able to make money, themselves. We also have to consider that we live in an environment where black women are favored, economically, above black men! We can make it work; but we must have the resolve to do so. *Anti-Polyandry 1. Women tend to be more monogamous because a.) biologically, they must choose the best mate because they are the ones who must invest the most time and energy into raising the child to maturity; b.) their neurochemical composition causes stronger emotional bonding during sex than men; c.) their bodies retain an imprint of males' sperm; d.) having one mate eliminates confusion as to who the child's father is; e.) women, generally, do not have sufficient income to support multiple husbands.
Polygamy in the community would be a great fix. Especially if everyone plays their part for the betterment of the family and community. It would also make men and women accountable for their actions. Less babies out of wedlock. Like he said we are already living polygamous lives when everyone is sleeping with everyone anyway. Children will know their fathers. Taking away polygamy from us was the beginning of destroying the black family and putting us against one another. Granted it’s not for everybody but those who can should.
I say Polyamory. Women should have the same option to maintain multiple relationships if she so chooses. Polygamy carries a dark cloud of jealousy among the women involved. Which unfortunately leads to the mistreatment and abuse of children within that community. Polygamy also sets a terrible example for girls...that they should be all about the man..making sure he is kept and his needs are more important than hers... As the Mothers of the earth this is furthest from the truth. We matter.
As long as all parties understand,disclose and agree. Cheating is not pologamy it is deception because it does not include disclosure of deeds and agreement because it is done without the partners knowledge.
I pray brotha Umar overcomes the obstacles & accomplish the goal of FDMG academy , he is a smart , knowledgeable & well informed scholar .. it is evident 👏🏾👏🏾
@Kero Kero Bento Box learn the definitions first then speak on them … ~~|| all those verses tells us is to NOT covet another man’s wife …sexual relations with another’s wife is the immorality & sin ….& women should not be with more than one man .. .. ||
@Kero Kero Bento Box go now & find the word for ‘ONE’ & then the word for ‘FIRST’ in Hebraic .. … ask yourself why ‘ONE’ is used when it should be ‘FIRST’ in the translated scripture verses !!
Polygamy could very well be a very viable solution accompanied with other community, social, and economic efforts made on the part of black people collectively in America. As with everything, black women who are against the sheer thought of this subject are so because this is deep emotional uncharted territory for us and this man is right, this is because black women are in sheer competition with one another for the attentions and affections of their male counterparts, the black man.
+sasha fierce Polygamy is when a man OR woman has more than one s/o. Polygyny is when a man has more than one s/o and polyandry is when a woman has more than one s/o. In American majority of Black men can't financially take care of multiples wives and children.
I'm in no competition for male attention. That is beneath me. I'm in search of a man who wants to be with me as much as I want to be with him. I wouldn't want it any other way.
Would not be even marginally beneficial for the men reproductively as the female reproductive system can only accommodate a single birth slightly under a year. Polyandry was more of an economic decision among families in a lot of historical accounts, also infanticide is an issue. You would also have to question the genetics of the men you would have. Most men competed for reproduction, as was the natural state, so it would be very unlikely you get top tier genetics from alpha males in a polyandrous relationship, unless the sex ratio is *extremely* skewed, and alpha males weren't able to achieve other women, or go outside the local availability (like traveling the world, or moving to different location, etc)
1400 years ago God gave you all the solutions to all of your social and individual problems but unfortunately, people choose to reject it people they say " i cannot sustain multiple wives but they are okay with sleeping with multiple women and get them pregnant and leave them not knowing who the father of that child Ask yourself this question How does a Muslim man in Afria in the desert is able to take care of 4 wives and have more than 20 kids and all of them grow to be engineers and doctors? With zero divorce My grandparent has 2 and one of them is my dad who is a teacher today and he lived in a village The one who said " get marry to 4" is the one who say " I will provide for you like i provide for the birds" Allah said " I will provide for you" and that's why people forgot about him and his guidance and today we are in this mess Look at prostitution statistics in America and Europe Look at pornography statistics Look at drugs abuse look at the divorce rate in America look at sexually transmitted diseases Look at debt( today the majority of American citizens are swimming in debt whether its a credit cards, student loans or mortgages) Look at alchool abuse!, 2-3 million die each year from alchool Look at gambling ( people are homeless today because of gambling) and people are in prison because of it should I continue Today people forgot about Allah's guidance Allah left them in this chaos but he also said " Follow my guidance and you will return back to your normal life" But people continue to refuse that message
I agree that with him on the need for more structure. But this can be dangerous if your structure is being designed by an immoral, jealous, selfish, money hungry group of people.
I don't believe in signing contracts for love that's clearly the economical aspect and much less be polygamous, it's seems totally non spiritual with a more carnal lower self focus, I would then prefer to just have an intellectual exchange with a man and be celibate then due to having to deal with the subtle bodies of more than one person which could be psychologically overwhelming. It's not for me.
Hello.....This was a very interesting interview....Dr. Umar is really on point....i actually would like to get in contact with you or him to discuss something....i await your response.
It shouldntbe forced on anyone this not slavery 😂😂💯🤦 its 2018 wake up ppl if u black man want multiple wifes find women that are ok with it problem solved and those woman who dont want to dont have to yall making it more serious than it needs to be honestly 💯
I would assume it’s because he felt as though this interview was beneath him. Back then, Umar was popping; he was doing a lot of seminars and speaking engagements. I’m curious as to where this interview took place and how she was able to interview him.
Amenah King I agree. I’m glad he took the time to share with us as well. Back then I really liked Dr. Umar. A friend (she was a stan) and I drove to Raleigh to go see him not knowing until 3 weeks ago that he had been in my hometown. Well I’m assuming this interview took place in my hometown because I know the interviewer and she now, or at least last I knew, lives in my hometown.
Everyone doesn't deserve to engage with you in the eyes. That's personal and intimate, also he's powerful he may not want to stare at her. Meaning his truth, could be too harsh and come off to strong. Nobody truly wants to feel chastised, especially someone who's still lost or weak.
Wow ! That's the most intelligent discussion that I've heard Bro. Umar Johnson have . Most of the time he get too excited and be repeating himself. But bro. Umar Johnson was so calm , professional , articulate and accurate in his assessment . Salute to Dr. Umar Johnson , and keep up the good works 👍👍👍
In Africa, there are two types of Polygamy, one that comes from a Patrilineal society and the other one that comes from a matrilineal society. In Matrilineal societies especially of the Bantu speaking people, polygamy was a necessity to protect the women during slavery because the women that did not have a husband was preyed upon by Arab slave traders. The second reason was if the wife is too old to bear children but would still want children to inherit her land, then she would ask the young sister to help bear the children. In America and Africa, we have reached a point were Polygamy is going to be necessary to keep the black family alive.
Until we finish serving our punishment time for the errors of our ancestors, the curses will not be lifted off our heads-Deuteronomy 28:15-68, Hosea 5:15. Until our blindness and deafness is healed and removed by our God, this calamity on our people will not stop -Isaiah 35:18-25, Isaiah 43:8. Until we return to seeking Yahuwah our God and not the gods of other nations, we will continue to be put lower as a people -Deuteronomy 32:29-33. Let him with understanding learn and teach our people the only solution to our problems - Hosea 6:1-2.
Kings and pharaohs always had more than one wife as an edition to their empire. Many people women in particular find this to be against their value because western society has programmed the belief that a women is to be on the pedestal of a single man. It is the phsyce which needs to change. Marriage in its self is a contractual agreement (signatures on paper) instilled upon us all by governmental power. Therefore the concept of marriage is that of a business union. The American system is not set up for the traditional way of life. Polygamy is about understand roots, position, respect, removal of ego, and embracing authentic love. It is not a way of life for most because many are not open to what lies beyond societal confines
It all sounds like a good idea until you bring in that 3rd or 4th person and get completely left behind. LOL Happened to me and I laugh at it now but boy ol boy the hurt. Anyone constantly looking outside of self for love is lacking something deeply within & I don't wish to be involved. Also, not looking to play a nanny to anyone's children or share my resources. If you need to pool resources you should rethink creating a family. Different stroke for different folks but never again. It all boils down to someone's selfish reasons of needing some type of help.
i think a lot of people in the comments are confused. Having a side chick or other women while you're in a relationship is not the same thing as polygamy as practice in many different cultures around the world..... secondly why is it that when polygamy is mention no one ever mentions multiple husbands?
They mean *polygyny* , and because it's more prevalent today and historically speaking. It's also more practical than polyandry, which you're speaking of.
I believe it is technically a different term for it if I’m not mistaken. That is because most that takes the power structure and places all of the responsibility on the woman, she can delegate it out to the multiple men and they can work out. However most women are unwilling to do that because that puts her in place of the man and most women would never want to take on the responsibility of one man let alone multiple men. Even the women who are millionaires and billionaires will not take on that responsibility.
Coming from a 19 year old African, I see nothing wrong with a man marrying two or more wives, as long has all wives agree on the union and he is financially stable enough to live comfortable with them. Every woman has the right to choice whether she wants the be apart of the polygamous relationship or not. Treat your wives like queens with freedom and empower them (like them owning their own business and henceforth). Equality must reign between the man and his wives. That results in a happy life. When a monogamous marriage faults, nobody blames the institution of monogamy itself, but the people in the marriage. Polygamy is not the problem, we need more responsible men and women that are willingly and that equates to a happy union. Just saying that polygamy is wrong because a man is allowed and a woman isn't, doesn't make it a valid point. Just imagine women, having 10 different husbands, servicing them, cooking (or is that sexist?), eventually a pregnancy will come and nobody would know who the father is. Imagine getting a DNA test on ten different men every time the woman is pregnant. It brings much of confusion. Polygyny, however, can be much more organized and more natural. Just because a woman can't do what the man does, doesn't means its a way of oppressing or dehumanizing her. Lastly, a man with one wife or multiple wives are both justified, as long as there is 100 % HAPPINESS!! Show less
One woman with two men works well for some societies Tibetans in Nepal, parts of China and part of northern India, and other places. They consider themselves to be one family.
Polygamy legitimises plural relationships; i.e., all polygamy are plural relationships, but all plural relationships aren’t necessarily polygamy, “Dr Umar”! What you have in our community are affairs, cheating, unofficial, illegal and legitimate relationships; for them to become polygamous, they need to be the opposite.
I would not participate in such an arrangement. I don’t see how they are beneficial. What would I gain? I also question the inability to connect with one person and bond as one. However, the important thing is for people to be upfront about what they want and expect out of relationships. If consenting adults feel that they are having their needs met in all regards, then they should act in accordance with what they can live with. Also, I don’t need an elder to protect my interest in a relationship. As a sovereign adult I can act on my behalf and advocate for myself. I would not trust another person to do that for me. In these situations it seems like women are victimized and controlled by others for the sake of community interest over their own.
+Stephanie Johnson Would you feel happy living under the same roof with, say 2 more women and you have to wait your turn to share his bed? Do you honestly believe a man could love all of his wives equally? It is only natural to want to be loved unconditionally. In polygamy sex is the only thing shared, not love. If sex is all you want, then polygamy is for you.
Larry jones Larry the common sense point is that most people in the black community are already practicing polygamy, by the very fact many black men have several baby mommas, I think the point that is being made is that it would make more sense, economically if they just all lived together. I don't see how you got to the point of "If sex is all you want, then polygamy is for you." a better point would have been the money point
Stephanie Johnson Stephanie, you are right. I never should have went right to the sex subject. Let's look at the economic part of polygamy you speak of. Starting in 2014, female black women became the highest educated group of all people, when it came to a college education. The most educated people tend to earn the higher wages over lower educated people. Now what happens if 1 college educated black women falls in love with a black man who makes much less money then her and the get married. She then becomes the bread winner and that's cool too, it's 2015 not 1915. Now let's say the man falls in love with a highly uneducated women who is unemployed. He want's to marry her because he fell in love with her but don't worry, he says he still loves the other women. Put yourself in the college women's shoes. Should she tell the man that it is alright to marry her because it is their duty to keep the black race from disappearing. Come payday, the educated women kicks in $400, the man $200 and the uneducated women only has $20 to give. Tell me there won't be friction. The black community doesn't practice true polygamy. It nothing more then bed hoping. The part I just can't understand about all this polygamy stuff is what is the true purpose of it all. If a black man can have 2 or more wives, is it ok for a black women to live under the same roof with 2 or more men? The whole story about why black polygamy is needed, to me is absurd. There are way to many pitfalls to it. Just my opinion.
I'm only thinking in the case of the men who already have like 5 baby mommas (and their all maybe on welfare) and yes you could say it's bed hopping but some women don't have an issue with it, and if they don't have an issue with it who am I to judge, there are some men and women who don't feel guilty about having multiple partners and if it works for them, who am I to judge. And I'm not sure who in 1915 in the US had multiple partners :/. Gotta go way further back then that.
Stephanie Johnson I want to let you know that I am an atheist and I don't base any of my beliefs on any religious teachings. I am telling you that so you understand that I agree with you that no one should judge anyone else . Many religious people are very judgmental. I am all about the here and now because I believe there is no after life. As a atheist, I believe that polygamy hurts me in the pocket book. Let me explain. You talked about there could be some brother with 5 baby mommas and all of the women are on welfare. Well he isn't going to be able to afford to support 5 wives and all the children. That leaves me and millions like me, paying taxes to support him and his family. I wouldn't judge anyone on having 5 wives and all the children but don't try and get up in my wallet to support the whole mess. You see, religious people will worry about their souls going to hell. I am concerned about my money being taken from me.
I know this is an interview and the cameras are placed in front of them but where is the eye contact from Dr.Umar, he looks completely uninterested and disconnected. This actually feels and looks awkward because he isn't engaging her at all.....Am I the only one who feels this way?
No. I was saying the same thing. Its great irony here, because the conversation is about coming together as a ppl but yet visually and energetically you can see the division here!
I am not saying everything has to be sexual, but they are sitting very close to each other. As a man, I know I’d get distracted if I were sitting next to a beautiful woman and looking at her straight in the eyes.
She wanted to do most of the talking and be heard for her views instead of listening. I think Dr. Umar already knew her position on the issues BEFORE the camera was on...so he kept his approach and tone at gently informing her while maintaining his views. Lastly, no disrespect to the sister but she said that she is married which is great but there is a high likelihood that her husband is involved with "supplemental" sex. She probably wants to consider herself as not being part of what Dr. Umar is talking about.
I am not for polygamy if every black man had more than one black woman alot of black men would not have a black woman were only ahead of them by 2 million not 42 million i for one will not be apart of polygamy i would rather stay a virgin and just be alone and keep to myself i don't want to be with a man that has more than one wife or mate but i do love my beautiful sisters though im fine being alone its not as bad as most people think its not going to turn my out gay or give me this i do t need a man mind set i just don't support polygamy
@@tietearoddy exactly, and if any thing it was not called polygyny or polygamy or any of the poly "family words" it's how we as black people lived harmoniously amongst each other. And, if anything it was US, the black women, the queens, the beauty, the Goddess, being supported by multiple men and not in a what they call, "blasphemous" way or any hint of sexual but biologically our black men are MADE to provide, protect, and take care of ALL the BLACK WOMEN in the community because for us it's a matriarch not a patriarch in this wye patriarchal society or I shall say world-view. Silly of us. The opposite of love is hate. They are COMPLETE opposite of us and our communities, our tribes, our world, our EARTH. 🌍🧘🏾♀️👑✊🏾 #composed #Weblackandwegood
First of all reading through the comments made me feel sorry for those who don’t understand polygamy! Woman are more than men and a lot of the sisters are left with sons to raise and no security this is a mans job to raise the sons and protect the woman. I believe that polygamy is the answer because as i said it can secure a woman who has been left abonded to raise her children which I think no matter how much mothers think they can raise sons the unfortunate answer is no you can raise daughters but it’s a man job to raise a boy to be a man that’s why theirs lots of gay men because they don’t have a father figure ! So stop thinking about yourself and think about your child’s future in amerikkka.
TBH, most women already practice polygamy but are in denial calling their sister wife terms such as side piece, jump off, baby mama, hoe, home wrecker...Everybody move in one house to cut expenses, Raise those kids together and call it a day...since y'all doing it anyway. 🤷🏿♀️
💯 facts...
Exactly
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@@nachemiagape9564 you laughing but many of african women. Are crazy as hell for real.
I hate when proponents of polygamy use this argument. There are many of us who are against polygamy who would not accept infidelity from their spouses. Such a weak argument, your guy is gonna cheat anyway so you might as well let him marry a second wife? 🙄 So stupid.
I've been saying this for a long time now. Most people are living plural relationships and don't even realize it!
and so that makes it ok?
Yeah living it and not accepting it because of how our minds are set up
what are you talking about? There is no way to accept a man sleeping with other women and then coming back to me. I won't accept that and that's because it's disrespectful and it shows a lack of self control. Most of theses men in support of polygamy cant even handle their woman looking at another guy and they can't handle being faithful to one woman but think they can handle multiple ones? I'm not cool with sharing my body with everybody. Just cuz it's happening doesn't make it acceptable. You already see how much dysfunction it causes.
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DUMBASS SAID. Polgamy is a consensual type of relationship that multiple people agree on and you just compared it to hoe ass niggas who can't keep their dicks out of other women and who hide and lie their deeds. That's how I know yall not going to be responsible enough to engage in polygamy. If any woman has an ounce of sense, she would stay away.
There's a difference between plural relationships and being a fucking cheater and you know that
Sharing a "baby's dad" is polygamy.
Miss Piggy no that's not even close to the same thing lol. Baby daddy is a title that isn't respectable at all and you don't get wife benefits being just a baby mama
@@NoName-nj4mw there are more similarities than differences.
@@sparkman1314able there are actually no similarities at all. "Baby mama" is a title that comes along with no privileges and very little respect. A baby mama in no way can be compared to a wife. I say this having a child by a man that I am no longer with so I am technically a baby mama. I don't, haven't and wouldn't sleep my my baby daddy ever again. He's with another woman but the two of us aren't "sharing" a man. He is alllllll hers lol. I'm also in a relationship and those men aren't sharing me because I know which one I belong to. He also has a baby mama that he has had no relationship ties to in years so again there is no sharing. So unless the man is still in relationships with both baby mamas and they are both aware and accepting of it and both reap benefits from him then there is no comparison at all.
No having a side peice
Dammmmmm🤔.....
In America most black men can't financially sustain multiple wives.
It depends on how you look at it. If your family is materialistic and worldly then of course a average man can't afford that. That's what wrong with family's now. Materialism!
+vohnholley
I was thinking more along the lines of needs. I don't think the women in that type of marriage should work outside the home. But it's not that big of a deal because that doesn't effect me.
I personally believe it should be a choice whether to work or not to work. Unfortunately greed it the way of life here in the states.We need to be reprogrammed. Polygamy isnt for everyone but for many, it would behoove us to keep an open mind.
Well women are also liberated financially, so they can work and contribute to overall economic wealth, especially if they don't have children. Also, as vohnholley mentioned if materialism is an issue, then very few top tier men in *society* can even sustain polygynous relationship.
Materialism is bad for everyone in general and contributes to corporate green and destruction of a lot of things anyway.
And for those who can?
This conversation between these two went very well. The woman was not only listening and responding, but she took the time to think and retort without using emotion and they both were able to have an intellectual and thought provoking dialogue. Much respect to Dr. Johnson, and the sister.
I wish men would learn to not use emotion but men can’t seem to think far enough to even realize that they use emotion.
The way y’all expect literal human beings to never use emotion is wild to me. We are not robots. Men like you are so weird. The way y’all talk about women shows how dick obsessed you are. You didn’t even use her name and you only talked about the way she responded. I’d expect someone with a pfp and name like yours to act like this tho. This is what no hugs do to a man.
@@corimoon3360 Folks keep forgetting anger is an emotion. 😭😭
@@corimoon3360 exactly! tired of these males thinking men don't use emotion. He thought he was saying something and giving a compliment. Very backhanded compliment.
Most women are already sharing and don’t even know it 😮
Life is NOT fair, let's get that out the way. Now here's some rules that will change our community for the better!
1. No kids before age 26 PERIOD.
2. No kids before being married successfully for 3 years, and having BOTH parents sign an understanding that they BOTH want to have a child and have a written up plan of how they plan to provide and care for said child.
3. Hold children to an academic standard of A-B honor roll! Blacks do not put the proper value on education which is the key to success.
4. Live well BELOW your means! No designer foolishness and fake hair and nonsense.
5. No killing black people.
6. Actually be a parent when you have children and protect their innocence and keep them from growing up so fast
7. Vote FOR black issues and support BLACK interests
8. Support Black owned businesses
Follow these rules and see if their isn't a change for the BETTER
Not strict enough IMO
Great proposition, but sounds one sided
@@BittyCryp idk wut you mean?
Dtreatz it’s very limiting, and not broad enough to meet all, but that’s just MY opinion.
@@BittyCryp It has to be, otherwise you won't get any progress, and a lot of what he said is backed by data and sound logic. Fact of the matter is, you cant just allow anyone to do whatever they want to do and expect a certain result.
We're living that reality in our Black community anyway.. It's just unorganized and therefore unsuccessful...
Agree
Big facts
Agreed
I ain’t sharing!!!! No way!!! My thing is; there will be jealousy between the women. The man will definitely love and vibe with some more than others.
The concept of romance practised by many blacks currently is European...eg..do you know on the weekends African men would spend time with other men i.e their brothers,cousins mostly and women the same but now its a must you be with your girl on the weekend and everyday other day your together .....a man will not be in a place of women if he is married but a place of men...adultery highly reduced....
Love and vibe equally through Islamic balance.
Say no to polygamy
Polygamy is ok but Polyandry is not ...Polyandry means marital Brothel system.
If one woman mates with more than a man then she becomes gents' urinal. Because men ejaculated semen and urine drops. Thats why polygamy is acceptable but polyandry is perceived as dirty thing. Because of difference in working way of sex organs in which one discharges or pours fluid and the other one receives , gathers and ""absorbs"" that fluid , normally female virginity is given importance in real mankind. For "animals" there is no importance of female virginity.
If men uses genital in public toilet and accidentally penis touches the pot , it makes very uncomfortable unless shower is taken. But it's surprising how come many men accepts and dips their dick into that vegina which has been earlier urinated by other man.
Belief programs is real
SISTERS GAIN YOUR OWN WEALTH STOP BEING DEPENDENTS. ITS YOUR TIME MAMA LET BUILD OUR SELF WORTHINESS
A man will ALWAYS write your cheques
It is very fine for a woman to seek to be financially independent. What is a great blessing for a woman too have a dependency upon her head, her leader, her husband as well.
louder
Polygamy is a total no for me. Never ever in life.
You will be cheated on
@@absmith5188 THE MOST STUPID SHIT IVE EVER HEARD! IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY?? "YOULL BE CHEATED ON.." SIMPLE MINDED TO FORCE WOMEN TO SHARE NO GOOD, CANT PROVIDE, SASSY, EGOTISTICAL, LOW VIBRATIONAL, POOKIE MEN!
ON GOD!
Im a straight black man who does not promote polygamy. I dont see many black men supporting and raising one family faithfully, so bringing another woman in doesn't seem right.
same, just doesnt make sense.. And that's a lot of fucking energy brothas don't wanna give and admit they lack.
Thank you, I watched a docu of a family that practices it, and the first wife said that once men who are considering it realize the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it, the decide against it. I was with somebody that tried to force that on me & ultimately decided to kick me AND his 2 children out & said he’ll just make some more babies 🤦🏾♀️ lol.... exactly why this won’t ever work
@@justxkendra OMG THE SAME EXACT THING JUST HAPPENED TO ME!!!! It happens ALOT in the Hebrew Israelite Community!! I was with my twins father for a year put through SO MUCH hell!!! He put us out to be with another woman who supports polygyny & him financially!!! I am BEYOND piss because he told me (Go ahead put me on child support I can just make more babies)
Apple of TMH eye WOW!!! I’m so sorry to hear that, please just keep your faith and trust in Yahweh... he’ll reap what he sews... that woman will too!
@@justxkendra that's the thing I'm all for my people, I'm all for Israel but will that make against TMH if I were to follow through? Because I need help I didn't make these boys by myself & their father who I considered my husband is forcing me to make decisions I don't want to make.... I need help $15 here & there will not help me & these camps have a way of making you feel guilty for doing what needs to be done & standing up for your self not all camps but aloot of them do especially when it comes to the woman they treat them like trash!! & It's not right, I see alot of men go into polygyny not to build a nation in the correct order as it should be, but for their own selfish reasons!! For their benefit alot these camps use these women not for the will of TMH but for their own selfish purpose....
Not sharing my man , perioddddd!
Me either!
It not about sharing your man it about loving your sisters and helping each other raise the kid , to help Reduced load and the stress of being a single mother trying to make sure everything straight by yourself
You going to share your man even if you like it or Not 🤷🏿
@@aaronjohnson7619 they don't want to accept it, but women already rely on other women to help, they call them babysitters instead of just "women". Men with means attract multiple women who agree that they like the same man. Those situations look identical to polygyny.
@G. C. Yes she does. We are women not rugs.
Polygamy - I was once against it. It’s not for me - but I understand it’s just like any relationship - there’s still the partnership, trust, honesty and respect involved, resulting in happiness and love for the entire family. It all falls apart when theirs secrecies and lies resulting in betrayal
As a single male expecting a six figure income upon graduation, I always thought polygamy was wrong because I couldn’t imagine my sister going through that, so why on earth would I put another women through that...I definitely need to reflect with God on this one because I’m hearing more logical arguments on the pro side, and more emotional arguments on the anti side... so I’m not sure if I’m pro, but quite frankly the media has corrupted our minds and I do think people should be more open to having these serious conversations instead of emotionally blowing it off...
Discernment of Truth well. I did nothing but speak facts. I believe in facts over emotion.
There is no logical reason to be against it. There's no OBLIGATION.
If it was used in the Bible than how wrong can it be?
Don’t do it, don’t devalue your self or a female. Changing the system is what needs to happen. Fighting to get rid of privately owned prisons is what we need to do having more educational resources for young black males is important promoting male mentorship programs is important. Sharing a meal is gross. Not to mention the same thing will happen you have two females producing children by one male they will always be more women than men.
Id like to touch on “private prisons”
Research how many of those prisoners are black men.
Then research how many of them come from a single parent more particularly single mother household.
in America half of these black me can't even support themselves even the ones with no kids..
You are absolutely right
#FACTS
The men who can should have multiple wives.
And the woman are responsible for choosing the man that don't want to work.
Which is why polygamy would work. The men that CAN'T support themselves are put to the side, and the men that can support more than one woman will have no issue doing so. Woman aren't obligated to get into a relationship with men that can't support themselves.
Most Christians don't believe in it but dang there all men in the bible had multiple wives.
Most Christians are not the best to give advices when it comes to marriage
That's in the old testament. Polygamy was allowed actually. But God forbiddened it because of the abuse of power males had. The focus wasn't on building a family and respecting women anymore it shifted to extreme lust and extreme want for pleasure. In the new testament it's forbidden.
@Daddy P okay daddy P I respect your belief in that the so-called Bible that has been constructed by humans is rubbish. No need to fight me
@Steve Jhonson nope I'm a human. I read things with insight and I only want to spread posivity no need to fight me. Kind Regards 🙏🙏🏽🙏🏿
@Daddy P i see you know the diff, between polygyny and polygamy, christianity cannot define nor explain true hebraic culture, which polygyny is found in and btw nowhere in the whole bible does the tmh forbid it as well , kudos to your deeper learning sir. most dont know the true meaning behind polygyny and polygamy they are not the same.
I’m no longer Christian but “Let every man have his own wife and every woman her own husband “
David had like 9 wives, Solomon had like 400 concubines. Isiah "for 7 women shall cling to the robe of 1 man"... your point?
@@realchurch2693 was not directed at you. And you're correct
RedIgauna Unfortunately after all was set and done those women did no good for the men and the men ended up regretting marrying so many women. Especially Solomon. He found out that the women were leading him astray from worshiping God.
@@God.sDaughter false David had no regret, and nor did Solomon. The God of the bible was angry with Solomon because he partook in the rituals and ceremonies forv the gods of his foreign wives. Solomon was the most wise BECAUSE of the knowledge attained from exposure to so many women and cultures. But the God of the Bible is a jealous God
@@God.sDaughter it was also the type of women he married. He didnt marry women that believed in God
Sometimes I hate being a black woman. It is so hard! I feel like we always get the shitty end of the stick. I'm tired of this shit.
It’s perfectly fine to create the life that you want for yourself and not the one society wishes for you. If you want a monogamous relationship or marriage, cultivate that. If you want to have a relationship with a desirable man, go for that and continue to be a desirable woman during that process. I think the real shocker that people will see over the years is more Black women entering into monogamous marriages with desirable non-Black men if the dating pool of Black men becomes too small.
@@ronniacherry Yes I agree..thank you🙏
reality is we don't have to deal with it.... it's not forced it's a choice.....
I don't care how much of a draught or men shortage there becomes, I will be alright by myself if it came to this. There is nothing wrong with being ok being by yourself.
ON GOD! CUZ IM NOT SHARING
and this is the type of woman he's speaking about.. nobody will miss you by yourself 🤷🏿♂️
@@sunkissed6413you already do🤷🏿♂️
Polygamy..no. Polyamory..absolutely! It's never gonna be ok with women unless we have the same freedoms in love and relationships.
I know a black man who had four “wives” within the span of twenty years. They all lived together. He eventually left all of them for a much younger woman- with whom he later had a child. He’s still married to this younger woman and her alone.😑
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Anddddd u just made that up
@@laurenlocd3180 she's a great story teller 🤓
@@laurenlocd3180 definitely
@@laurenlocd3180 you’re naive if you think that isn’t possible
Polygamous marriages are more stable than monogamous marriages. Americans marry 3 or 4 times in their lifetimes but they think it's ok if they do that one at a time, which is much worse. Getting divorced and remarried multiple times is the norm and socially acceptable but it's not good especially for the children nor society in general.
I would rather be single...than to engage in polygamy. I always say....know thyself.
I went to africa and study my history there is nothing dont is not wrong with it
Know thyself and be bitter is what you say now?
I do not believe in polygamy relationships at all because my faith says it’s not right, but from a realistic stand point for the men that believe in polygamy, most of your actions don’t even equal up to you attaining the responsibility of having a polygamist relationship. You’re not faithful to a simple phone plan, how can you be faithful to two women... some of you men aren’t in your children lives and neglect the very one woman that loves you for you, but you want to add on one more woman to the equation... I call bull crap. Men, let’s be faithful to one woman and one woman only, we can not build up our community if our homes are broken, have a relationship with whatever religion god or belief higher than yourself and nature, have moral about yourself AS A MAN, stay home with your woman and treat her right love your kids and work hard to provide knowledge, wisdom, and assets for your next generation. Once we tackle our home problems, then and only then will we build up our communities. Kick this polygamy bs to the curb
👏 Bravo!! You hit it on the nail.
The most intelligent response on the entire video. 🤗🤗
You got that right i agree with you
@@amenahking7863 Ain't it though
Perfectly stated...somebody give this person a standing ovation.
The comments are so interesting.
+KeenaArtist very
aren't they...
Brother Umar too smart his reply on polygamy shut her down but in a good way. Great dialogue with tremendous respect for one another. She had great points as well. When you take on multiple wives it means that you accept responsibility. Family continuity is the only thing that matters. Polygamy has been practiced by black people since the beginning of time.
I didn’t see what GREAT points she made but he made some
Umar is a clown he's not a therapist first off !!! All he's doing is massaging a sort of grooming of his goals his real agenda into the Mass 's ....he's a loser just ask his abandoned daughters
Shit in order for polygamy to work a man would have to be making some serious money to take care of more than one wife.
its always about money with sisters period.
+David Pitts broke dudes favorite line
A man in a polygamous relationship doesn't need to be able to provide for all the wives. The wives can work too. All of them can work as a team to provide for the whole family.
Carl Johnson then there's no point financially to this
devohnmitchell Hell most men dont take care the ONE WIFE
Polygamy is a business. If one wife is home caring, the other is out working w the man. It's about the kids, and it's about the unit, not the individual
That’s not true! It depends on the family and the marriage.
I’m just glad a few people in the comment section have mentioned that polygamy is NOT for everyone. As an individual, I personally do not agree with it and I’m not sure if on a global scale that it has had a major impact on African-Americans as a collective. In the words of lauryn hill “it could all be so simple...but you’d rather make it hard”.
What nation are you from?
True it’s not for everyone, certainly not for me
Here my parents were each other's first everything, stayed married monogamously 50 years until their deaths, and instilled this in us. I guess that's why I am loner.
Your dad definitely cheated
You haven't met my parents. No, no he has not.
Brandon Sparkman how can you tell you don't even know his father
Jeez, ppl are so insecure and want.others to act like them.
Also, tell me, except for lust, why on earth would anyone have more than 1 wife/ husband at a time?? More kids that you are not even gonna be around enough (no, money is comfort but doesn't raise kids)
@@dsine2267 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I don't see what the issue is with a man having one wife.. that's extremely selfish to want a woman to share something that's really not meant to share...
Las rising factssss
right
There isn't an issue however dont make polygany an issue.
Says who? Who says it’s not meant to share? Cuz tbh monogamy fails quite often. Not saying everyone should be polygamous but it ain’t this horrible thing people make it out to be. Hell if I had two girlfriends and babies by both of them no one would say anything at all 😂
do people realize that polygamy is not about AFFORDING women and wives? it's about men who have attained or been born in wealth. the practice polygamy as a way of keeping the wealth inside of the family and want their bloodline to grow to a size that will manage all they have. because the amount of wealth that one man has cannot be managed just by one child. this isn't about just having a shit load of wives. it's inheritance, upper class families practice this.
Nice try but you don't need multiple wives to do this smh
So black American males should not be doing it according to your comment. Thank you because these niggas aren't financially stable to do that.
Rain And Petalsss 💯💯💯💯
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Rain And Petalsss 3 or more incomes should help grow familial wealth. Many people aren’t ready to deal with the social responsibility that comes with that
Thank you Dr Umar, we are FULLY socialized by what we see on television and see in movies
The tragic part is we don’t realize it and applaud anything that begins show or give inclusion to us, which is even more delusional.
For example as a young West Indian descent girl I remember telling my parents here, in America, we have a black ( Vanessa Williams) Miss America. My grandmother said to me what does that “ mean” to you? We,West Indians have always had black women win😏❤️👏🏾
Revelation moment ✅
I understood what she was trying to teach me constantly if I would listen
Peace
Polygamy is just a way of excusing a man’s inability to have one woman the way it should be.
As far as sister wives go, get some damn friends for God’s sake.
Yessss omg finally someone finally said it
Says you people with four kids and all from different fathers.
Who or what determines “the way it should be”? Monogamy is a concept that is fairly new on the spectrum of world history.
Who determines how something should be? seriously?
@@Soul310 fr
I agree with the brotha and I have been looking for a sister who is open to polygamy. I am very successful and I can support two women and be faithful.
you're not faithful if you have two wives.
whales tales Um? Yes you can......
😂😂😂😂😂
M. Davon go back to our ancestor land. It is lawful..
tarayp tuemond lawful dont make it right
Umar Johnson spends the entire interview not making eye contact with the interviewer. I think he's scared of real women
I’m glad someone said something! I was thinking the same thing!
"Is this what we've come too??? Embracing a community of people who chose to live life in a adulterous type manner. I don't remember my grandparents or their parents, demeaning themselves to this magnitude in order to find a point of resolve. The outcry for what is needed and what is necessary, has already been addressed by Dr. Umar in this very episode. Me-ISM!!! ....individualist ideas individualist behavior.. Individualist thinking and rationalization; are all recipes for barriers that forgo forward progress. Polygamy is an excuse for men to do what we've always done throughout history, "indulge in ourselves" God gives man and woman free will. "What you chose to do with it is ON YOU!!!
Duane Bishop I think the men who agree with Umar, are ones who have no intentions on getting married anytime soon. They either don't value marriage or don't value themselves enough to not expose themselves to stds, out of wedlock children and a lack of self respect. It takes a self respecting, humble and mature man to write the comment that you did. Bravo
There was polygyny in the bible if you're going to take the ignorant religious route. and 85% of societies were polygynous prior to widespread monogamy. It's a more 'natural' and beneficial state for man(singular) and women(plural).
@@rainandpetalsss6244 The bible never stands _against_ it implicitly or explicitly, and you're religion aside, it's biologically the most _natural_ state of man and women. I care not for your religion, this is the real world, not a 'fairytale' book.
Mo Bishop FACTSSSSS
Yup, all I get from this is "men already cheat anyway, we might as well accept it and make it okay." "Let the men cheat in peace!" It's all bullshit. Hold these men accountable. Don't reward their behavior because we are DESPERATE!
I’m not against polygamy but I don’t feel like it’s the only answer... we need to have a serious conversation about abortions and what leads to them.
I think the Nuclear Family works fine people are just not committed or lack morals.
Stfu you dumb peckerwood
U are right,but it con only work for the westerners not in Africa
It’s not for you - that’s fine. But you cannot control judge others because you could be wrong and then....?
Who are you to decide what’s morally correct ?
Exactly
Black women, you have options and that's not limited to BLACK men! Polygyny is not beneficial to you.
Black women should marry black men
@@thegigadykid1 Says who?
You don't get to decide that...and most importantly, you cannot control who anyway marries at the end of the day.
Speak for you. There is no man as wonderful as the black man. Strength, loving, passion, logic. I have a helluva black husband. Strong but gentle. A leader with patience. And I know that the black man I have is so rare. And if there is a black woman that could benefit in our relationship, I am open.
Definitely SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. That's EXACTLY! What they wanted you to do hints why black men are even put in such a set up for failure system to begin with anyway. But, in the end the wypipo time is over... it is TOO LATE. 🌍🧘🏾♀️👑✊🏾
This was very interesting. I agree black women do need to love each other and show more respect for each but I'm selfish, and no way would I share my husband with another woman.
I don't think polygamy is the answer to it not being enough black men for women. The answer, I believe, lies in the fact that we as a community need more unity, better role models and a better educational system.
--- because that somehow creates more men??? There's a shortage period. So unless you want the women left out to become lesbian or nuns, good luck. P.S. You're the ones with the problem. Selfish! Destroy the whole for preservation of self!
+Gr8nessnMe070 If we had more leaders, better education, better opportunities and less people out for themselves maybe these young men would learn how to be men. Maybe alot of them wouldn't spend the majority of their youth and adult life in jail. There isn't a shortage at all, they aren't available. I don't have a problem at all, I'm not losing any sleep worrying about a women turning to women because they cant share my husband with me.
Naturallyorz feminism destroyed our role models and community
zellkingpromotions zellking - I agree
Polygamy is the definition of unity and a better education system. And better role models is a given when dealing with the maturity that it truly requires to be polygamous.
I appreciate that Dr Umar acknowledged that *its the women that initiate polygamy* , not the men. The first wife is in control
tell a woman she can have multiple husbands, they cheer. tell a woman he can have multiple wives, they hiss.
Its the other way around but okay
Polyandry
I’m not against polygamy but I’m not necessarily cool with either. I would prefer to have two husbands than be a sister wife.
Exactly
I admire Dr Umar for putting his ideas forth. Everyone has a choice and he is just bringing an idea forth to look at solutions and he is brave enough to do just that.
First, as a black people we need to love, empower, and accept ourselves. Once you do that, everything else aligns. Trying to out number white people with tradition is counterproductive. We need to learn to work through our traumas and stick together as a people.
The reality is once a woman has a child, which is nearly inevitable considering biology, she is IMMEDIATELY OUT of the labor force. (Unless you want your child being raised by some outside source after the 6 weeks passes in which she has maternity leave.) So anyway, she leaves the labor force because she has to take care of her offspring. This alone shows that a man who wants multiple wives needs to be able to care for his multiple lives. And not in the projects. Why is it so hard for people to believe? I, like many black women, have a master's degree and plenty of skill sets, but if I reproduce then my first and most important skill will be daily rearing of the next generation along with my husband. I won't be going out to work for some white man. And if I do entrepreneurship, it will come secondary to raising our children and taking care of our home. So for those who think they're going to have a harem in which a whole bunch of women work and bring in the majority of income while the man sits around and keeps on having sex? Doesn't make any sense. And women who fall for that are simply thirsty and need to get their hormones in check. Men would never tolerate that from women if the tables were turned, so women should not tolerate that from men.
Sis in Transition I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated. The man is made to provide and protect his family and his home REGARDLESS, so in polygyny, that role would certainly not change. If anything, it would increase his responsibility.
PREACH!
@@bigballer1399 It wouldn’t because men are lazy.
In zimbabwe when a man is marrying a woman and goes to the court to sign the marriage certificate, he is given a choice between two types of marriages. They ask if he would want to marry more women later or is going to only marry one wife for life. If he opts for polygamy he gets a certificate which allows him to come back and add more wives therefore allowing his wives to all be legally married to him and in the event of the husbands death they are all entitled to an equal share of the inheritance
when you start to enforce policy and idea's as "mandatory" you become no different than your oppressor.
Strategies that work, work, regardless of where they came from. Stop thinking you can build your ideal with a dollar and a dream, hands need to get dirty, always.
Dtreatz literally made no sense. Not the sharpest tool in the shed I see.
@@thirstyIotus Guess you have a room temperature IQ, my condolences.
Dtreatz agreed!
Right on
First and foremost i think it needs to be understood that polygamy is about the village; the community. Polgamy is more or less about a private affair, its about the whole. At the end of the day a man is going to do his best to take of his family whether if he has one wife or multiple. So i don't understand why people keep saying "its up to the man to be able to afford having several wives". As if a woman is a product that needs to be reup. The whole point of polgamy is an all hands on deck approach; everyone brings the resources to the table for the betterment of everyone. Too many people are interpreting polgamy from an individualistic standpoint. Like i said before a man is going take care what needs be done regardless but please understand the words in which we use. Does a man really need to be able afford multiple wives or should they be building together. Affordability is based on perspective and not on building together. Some people are higher maintenance then others, which proves my point affordability is not based on building. Building is everyone put their talents, skills and resources to the table. From their you have common ground which is the setting stones for empire or whichever place you aim to reach
Excellent interview. Very important. Topic and it needs to be addressed. Thank u
Yall need to do deep research about polygamy before jumping the guns. Practically its a disaster and failing in Africa. (I have never heard that economics is the reason for polygamy in Africa, its more about prestige for a man to have more wives and children and gratifying sexual desires. Please don't be decieved. )
@OriginalMan 9999 racists bitch every one does this...
Please tell them.
In Nigeria it's just to boast that you have 2 or more wives.
A display if wealth.
And the Gold digger second etc wives.
Looking for a male child.
Polygammy is BS.
seed polygamy is ok
That's all it is about it doesn't have anything to do with wealth.
@Afrikan Tresses it still doesn't take away from the truth. Culture don't save or help anybody.
It's not about we don't have enough men it's more about we don't have enough responsible men it's about we don't have alot of men that's loving caring faithful don't get me wrong if a man chooses to be in a polygamy relationship and it works that's great but we shouldn't have to share 1 man in order to be with a man I don't think thats the solution to the problem
There are plenty of responsible men you all just don't want them. Responsible men are not going to be the court jesters that most women love so much therefore they label them as "boring." A lot of women are immature and only look at how much fun and exciting a guy is and will choose solely based on that. Does he have family values? Is he responsible? Does he have goals? Does he have a plan for the future? Is he reliable? Does he have integrity? These questions are never asked because as long as he's fun, dresses nice, likes to go out, has a decent car, among other superficial nonsense that will be enough for most women to have children with him. It's just when things don't work out for them because of their juvenile selection process then women want to point the finger at the male gender. The problem is YOU and YOUR CHOICES.
We need more moms to parent for boys to become responsible men. How can a boy become a man when mom not even a responsible women.
Davey J Wheels ! How can a boy become a man if the father leaves?? A lot of y’all are deadbeats and you know it. LOL
@@chocolatenikki you may be a deadbeat and you may know it. Speak for yourself you don't know me to make that accusation. Godlyinspirations41 is my and my wife old channel where we talk about God. Please don't accuse us all my father was a deadbeat
@@kuunami No point in arguing with women, it's never their fault. Problem is allowing women's to freely choose that's the problem, and they _naturally_ choose poorly and exploit a system that supports the exploitation of men. Don't worry though, the bubble always bursts, it's only a matter of time.
Until we start searching and living in Holiness and living right there won't be no change in the black community. Point blank.
Real talk
When it come to polygamy, I noticed that the women think more about the sex circumstances more than men.
Because the women are the ones that have to share
Not true
I will never share my husband.
POLYGYNY
1. Increased political viability due to increased numbers.
2. Increased disposable income, due to pooling of resources, that could be used to invest and, therefore, solidify economic infrastructure.
3. Best balance between sexual/social/societal chaos (polyamory/promiscuity) and sexual/social/societal order (monogamy). It addresses man's instinct to copulate and procreate with many women, for the purpose of diversifying his genetic legacy to increase the chances of genetic survival; and women's monogamous instinct to select the most resourceful, stable, and attractive (genetically fit) mate possible, who's offspring she must sacrifice for and invest time and energy in until maturity.
4. Mirrors Nature- objects that are considered masculine, such as the Sun, are often surrounded by objects that are considered feminine, such as the planets (Mother Earth) or moon (which govern the woman's menstrual cycle).
"Can you afford it" is women's way of shutting down the possibility of polygyny, knowing the vast majority of black men's answer is going to be "no". The fact of the matter is black society only owns/controls 2.6% of the nation's wealth, we must strategize as to how we can make it work until the children mature and are able to make money, themselves. We also have to consider that we live in an environment where black women are favored, economically, above black men! We can make it work; but we must have the resolve to do so.
*Anti-Polyandry
1. Women tend to be more monogamous because a.) biologically, they must choose the best mate because they are the ones who must invest the most time and energy into raising the child to maturity; b.) their neurochemical composition causes stronger emotional bonding during sex than men; c.) their bodies retain an imprint of males' sperm; d.) having one mate eliminates confusion as to who the child's father is; e.) women, generally, do not have sufficient income to support multiple husbands.
This is completely true and Amazing and even Blessed by God
Patrick P. Ummm if I ever had 2 husbands they would take care of me
Patrick P.
Very very well put
Polygamy in the community would be a great fix. Especially if everyone plays their part for the betterment of the family and community. It would also make men and women accountable for their actions. Less babies out of wedlock. Like he said we are already living polygamous lives when everyone is sleeping with everyone anyway. Children will know their fathers. Taking away polygamy from us was the beginning of destroying the black family and putting us against one another.
Granted it’s not for everybody but those who can should.
I say Polyamory. Women should have the same option to maintain multiple relationships if she so chooses. Polygamy carries a dark cloud of jealousy among the women involved. Which unfortunately leads to the mistreatment and abuse of children within that community. Polygamy also sets a terrible example for girls...that they should be all about the man..making sure he is kept and his needs are more important than hers... As the Mothers of the earth this is furthest from the truth. We matter.
@Sean R lmao... you said it not me
As long as all parties understand,disclose and agree. Cheating is not pologamy it is deception because it does not include disclosure of deeds and agreement because it is done without the partners knowledge.
Monica Lovely good looking women get cheated on and left, too, by all different races of men...
Daaimah Flyest Muslimah exactly
Its not about the man, its about the family and the up bringing of the children, and the next-generation.
There you go.
He doesn't seem as psyched up during this interview as he usually is
I noticed that too. He seems annoyed.
@@thecalmwayhome8483 He's choosing his words extremely carefully because he wants 2 wives and they may be listening🤣
Naah I think it’s an interview after a seminar or something, that man looks tired and needs a nap.😂
@@brendakite6611 🤣🤣
I pray brotha Umar overcomes the obstacles & accomplish the goal of FDMG academy , he is a smart , knowledgeable & well informed scholar .. it is evident 👏🏾👏🏾
@Kero Kero Bento Box Hebrews / Jews never practiced poly-GAMY but rather poly-GYNY !! Now , please share when /how. Yeshua stopped PolyGYNY
@Kero Kero Bento Box learn the definitions first then speak on them … ~~|| all those verses tells us is to NOT covet another man’s wife …sexual relations with another’s wife is the immorality & sin ….& women should not be with more than one man .. .. ||
@Kero Kero Bento Box marrying many wives was never condemned… taken another’s wife was …
@Kero Kero Bento Box go now & find the word for ‘ONE’ & then the word for ‘FIRST’ in Hebraic .. … ask yourself why ‘ONE’ is used when it should be ‘FIRST’ in the translated scripture verses !!
@Kero Kero Bento Box Matthew 25
Polygamy could very well be a very viable solution accompanied with other community, social, and economic efforts made on the part of black people collectively in America. As with everything, black women who are against the sheer thought of this subject are so because this is deep emotional uncharted territory for us and this man is right, this is because black women are in sheer competition with one another for the attentions and affections of their male counterparts, the black man.
+sasha fierce Polygamy is when a man OR woman has more than one s/o. Polygyny is when a man has more than one s/o and polyandry is when a woman has more than one s/o. In American majority of Black men can't financially take care of multiples wives and children.
Yeah right sasha fierce... your not sharing your man... stop it... i will sign you up and call you once a position is available...
I'm in no competition for male attention. That is beneath me. I'm in search of a man who wants to be with me as much as I want to be with him. I wouldn't want it any other way.
@S. RHYMES Lol😂🤣 the women must not be very bright to accept this lifestyle. I would never share my resources with another woman. Absolutely not.
Glad you can admit this
five husbands anyone?
Black men's don't even like sharing.
Firstno way
you are the one being bitter to my opinion.
Would not be even marginally beneficial for the men reproductively as the female reproductive system can only accommodate a single birth slightly under a year. Polyandry was more of an economic decision among families in a lot of historical accounts, also infanticide is an issue. You would also have to question the genetics of the men you would have. Most men competed for reproduction, as was the natural state, so it would be very unlikely you get top tier genetics from alpha males in a polyandrous relationship, unless the sex ratio is *extremely* skewed, and alpha males weren't able to achieve other women, or go outside the local availability (like traveling the world, or moving to different location, etc)
Firstno way you’d be lonely and unhappy in a relationship like that as well... tf?
Firstno way & if you think that it’s a MAN that facilitates you, you’re missing something inside of you..
1400 years ago God gave you all the solutions to all of your social and individual problems but unfortunately, people choose to reject it
people they say " i cannot sustain multiple wives but they are okay with sleeping with multiple women and get them pregnant and leave them not knowing who the father of that child
Ask yourself this question
How does a Muslim man in Afria in the desert is able to take care of 4 wives and have more than 20 kids and all of them grow to be engineers and doctors?
With zero divorce
My grandparent has 2 and one of them is my dad who is a teacher today
and he lived in a village
The one who said " get marry to 4" is the one who say " I will provide for you like i provide for the birds"
Allah said " I will provide for you" and that's why people forgot about him and his guidance and today we are in this mess
Look at prostitution statistics in America and Europe
Look at pornography statistics
Look at drugs abuse
look at the divorce rate in America
look at sexually transmitted diseases
Look at debt( today the majority of American citizens are swimming in debt whether its a credit cards, student loans or mortgages)
Look at alchool abuse!, 2-3 million die each year from alchool
Look at gambling ( people are homeless today because of gambling) and people are in prison because of it
should I continue
Today people forgot about Allah's guidance Allah left them in this chaos but he also said " Follow my guidance and you will return back to your normal life"
But people continue to refuse that message
Chihab Ahmed masha Allah amazing
Jazaka Allah kher brother
I agree that with him on the need for more structure. But this can be dangerous if your structure is being designed by an immoral, jealous, selfish, money hungry group of people.
I don't believe in signing contracts for love that's clearly the economical aspect and much less be polygamous, it's seems totally non spiritual with a more carnal lower self focus, I would then prefer to just have an intellectual exchange with a man and be celibate then due to having to deal with the subtle bodies of more than one person which could be psychologically overwhelming. It's not for me.
Hello.....This was a very interesting interview....Dr. Umar is really on point....i actually would like to get in contact with you or him to discuss something....i await your response.
It shouldntbe forced on anyone this not slavery 😂😂💯🤦 its 2018 wake up ppl if u black man want multiple wifes find women that are ok with it problem solved and those woman who dont want to dont have to yall making it more serious than it needs to be honestly 💯
Well many black men not pookie and ray ray. Actually take polygamy very serious and to heart.
Can women have more than one husband?
Wow.... so as soon as its the opposite shes a sex slave or dysfunctional ? Or yall joking
nawl im good with one thats enough
I'm not
That’s what it’s about being honest with yourself and saying I’m not ready or I not deal with the responsibilities that comes with it.
@@corysimmons455 but are you ready?
That's because you broke.
Rich Sigmas love multiple women because they can afford them
Dr Umar u look so sad in this interview....however u stil managed to chat a whole lot of sense
That's Cuz the woman voice is hello anoying he's faded
I would assume it’s because he felt as though this interview was beneath him. Back then, Umar was popping; he was doing a lot of seminars and speaking engagements. I’m curious as to where this interview took place and how she was able to interview him.
@@mlbradle That's good insight. Whether I agree with him or not on this, I'm glad that he took time to share with us.
Amenah King I agree. I’m glad he took the time to share with us as well. Back then I really liked Dr. Umar. A friend (she was a stan) and I drove to Raleigh to go see him not knowing until 3 weeks ago that he had been in my hometown. Well I’m assuming this interview took place in my hometown because I know the interviewer and she now, or at least last I knew, lives in my hometown.
Tired not Sad
Single black women are not desperate.
that sister is thick in the right places!
Why won't he look at her when speaking? More of a respect thing, not sexual.
It's probably because he was raised muslim. Muslim men are taught to lower their gaze to keep yourself from lust.
Yeah I think so
Everyone doesn't deserve to engage with you in the eyes. That's personal and intimate, also he's powerful he may not want to stare at her. Meaning his truth, could be too harsh and come off to strong. Nobody truly wants to feel chastised, especially someone who's still lost or weak.
Yes, I believe out of respect.
Wow ! That's the most intelligent discussion that I've heard Bro. Umar Johnson have . Most of the time he get too excited and be repeating himself. But bro. Umar Johnson was so calm , professional , articulate and accurate in his assessment .
Salute to Dr. Umar Johnson , and keep up the good works 👍👍👍
In Africa, there are two types of Polygamy, one that comes from a Patrilineal society and the other one that comes from a matrilineal society. In Matrilineal societies especially of the Bantu speaking people, polygamy was a necessity to protect the women during slavery because the women that did not have a husband was preyed upon by Arab slave traders. The second reason was if the wife is too old to bear children but would still want children to inherit her land, then she would ask the young sister to help bear the children.
In America and Africa, we have reached a point were Polygamy is going to be necessary to keep the black family alive.
Well said
What's the paternal reason
she's very. smart! she asked all the right questions
Until we finish serving our punishment time for the errors of our ancestors, the curses will not be lifted off our heads-Deuteronomy 28:15-68, Hosea 5:15.
Until our blindness and deafness is healed and removed by our God, this calamity on our people will not stop -Isaiah 35:18-25, Isaiah 43:8.
Until we return to seeking Yahuwah our God and not the gods of other nations, we will continue to be put lower as a people -Deuteronomy 32:29-33.
Let him with understanding learn and teach our people the only solution to our problems - Hosea 6:1-2.
Polygomy would help black families tremendously
Some of y'all taking this shit too personal, if it's not for you. Then don't participate, your anger and cries expose your insecurities/ ignorance.
I like how she places special emphasis on the word "afford." Lol
Kings and pharaohs always had more than one wife as an edition to their empire. Many people women in particular find this to be against their value because western society has programmed the belief that a women is to be on the pedestal of a single man. It is the phsyce which needs to change. Marriage in its self is a contractual agreement (signatures on paper) instilled upon us all by governmental power. Therefore the concept of marriage is that of a business union. The American system is not set up for the traditional way of life. Polygamy is about understand roots, position, respect, removal of ego, and embracing authentic love. It is not a way of life for most because many are not open to what lies beyond societal confines
@OriginalMan 9999 they practice it in Africa.... you hella dumb
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@Kriss stfu yes we do dumb ass
Or not everyone is open to share?
It all sounds like a good idea until you bring in that 3rd or 4th person and get completely left behind. LOL Happened to me and I laugh at it now but boy ol boy the hurt. Anyone constantly looking outside of self for love is lacking something deeply within & I don't wish to be involved. Also, not looking to play a nanny to anyone's children or share my resources. If you need to pool resources you should rethink creating a family. Different stroke for different folks but never again. It all boils down to someone's selfish reasons of needing some type of help.
i think a lot of people in the comments are confused. Having a side chick or other women while you're in a relationship is not the same thing as polygamy as practice in many different cultures around the world.....
secondly why is it that when polygamy is mention no one ever mentions multiple husbands?
They mean *polygyny* , and because it's more prevalent today and historically speaking. It's also more practical than polyandry, which you're speaking of.
Cause most woman don't want multiple husbands
Because most have an understanding that it's not natural nor does it make since for woman to have multiple husbands
Tell DaTruth we have three holes for a reason makes sense to me 🙃
I believe it is technically a different term for it if I’m not mistaken. That is because most that takes the power structure and places all of the responsibility on the woman, she can delegate it out to the multiple men and they can work out. However most women are unwilling to do that because that puts her in place of the man and most women would never want to take on the responsibility of one man let alone multiple men.
Even the women who are millionaires and billionaires will not take on that responsibility.
Coming from a 19 year old African, I see nothing wrong with a man marrying two or more wives, as long has all wives agree on the union and he is financially stable enough to live comfortable with them. Every woman has the right to choice whether she wants the be apart of the polygamous relationship or not. Treat your wives like queens with freedom and empower them (like them owning their own business and henceforth). Equality must reign between the man and his wives. That results in a happy life. When a monogamous marriage faults, nobody blames the institution of monogamy itself, but the people in the marriage. Polygamy is not the problem, we need more responsible men and women that are willingly and that equates to a happy union.
Just saying that polygamy is wrong because a man is allowed and a woman isn't, doesn't make it a valid point. Just imagine women, having 10 different husbands, servicing them, cooking (or is that sexist?), eventually a pregnancy will come and nobody would know who the father is. Imagine getting a DNA test on ten different men every time the woman is pregnant. It brings much of confusion. Polygyny, however, can be much more organized and more natural. Just because a woman can't do what the man does, doesn't means its a way of oppressing or dehumanizing her. Lastly, a man with one wife or multiple wives are both justified, as long as there is 100 % HAPPINESS!!
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@Joseph Eziri WELL SAID
One woman with two men works well for some societies Tibetans in Nepal, parts of China and part of northern India, and other places. They consider themselves to be one family.
So just because the woman won't know who the father is it's best for men to have several wives? Lol
Dr. Umar definitely provided some interesting insight
Polygamy legitimises plural relationships; i.e., all polygamy are plural relationships, but all plural relationships aren’t necessarily polygamy, “Dr Umar”!
What you have in our community are affairs, cheating, unofficial, illegal and legitimate relationships; for them to become polygamous, they need to be the opposite.
I would not participate in such an arrangement. I don’t see how they are beneficial. What would I gain? I also question the inability to connect with one person and bond as one. However, the important thing is for people to be upfront about what they want and expect out of relationships. If consenting adults feel that they are having their needs met in all regards, then they should act in accordance with what they can live with. Also, I don’t need an elder to protect my interest in a relationship. As a sovereign adult I can act on my behalf and advocate for myself. I would not trust another person to do that for me. In these situations it seems like women are victimized and controlled by others for the sake of community interest over their own.
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I've been saying this for months, we already have pologmany!! So why not?
+Stephanie Johnson Would you feel happy living under the same roof with, say 2 more women and you have to wait your turn to share his bed? Do you honestly believe a man could love all of his wives equally? It is only natural to want to be loved unconditionally. In polygamy sex is the only thing shared, not love. If sex is all you want, then polygamy is for you.
Larry jones Larry the common sense point is that most people in the black community are already practicing polygamy, by the very fact many black men have several baby mommas, I think the point that is being made is that it would make more sense, economically if they just all lived together. I don't see how you got to the point of "If sex is all you want, then polygamy is for you." a better point would have been the money point
Stephanie Johnson Stephanie, you are right. I never should have went right to the sex subject.
Let's look at the economic part of polygamy you speak of.
Starting in 2014, female black women became the highest educated group of all people, when it came to a college education. The most educated people tend to earn the higher wages over lower educated people. Now what happens if 1 college educated black women falls in love with a black man who makes much less money then her and the get married. She then becomes the bread winner and that's cool too, it's 2015 not 1915. Now let's say the man falls in love with a highly uneducated women who is unemployed. He want's to marry her because he fell in love with her but don't worry, he says he still loves the other women. Put yourself in the college women's shoes. Should she tell the man that it is alright to marry her because it is their duty to keep the black race from disappearing. Come payday, the educated women kicks in $400, the man $200 and the uneducated women only has $20 to give. Tell me there won't be friction.
The black community doesn't practice true polygamy. It nothing more then bed hoping.
The part I just can't understand about all this polygamy stuff is what is the true purpose of it all. If a black man can have 2 or more wives, is it ok for a black women to live under the same roof with 2 or more men?
The whole story about why black polygamy is needed, to me is absurd.
There are way to many pitfalls to it.
Just my opinion.
I'm only thinking in the case of the men who already have like 5 baby mommas (and their all maybe on welfare) and yes you could say it's bed hopping but some women don't have an issue with it, and if they don't have an issue with it who am I to judge, there are some men and women who don't feel guilty about having multiple partners and if it works for them, who am I to judge. And I'm not sure who in 1915 in the US had multiple partners :/. Gotta go way further back then that.
Stephanie Johnson I want to let you know that I am an atheist and I don't base any of my beliefs on any religious teachings. I am telling you that so you understand that I agree with you that no one should judge anyone else . Many religious people are very judgmental.
I am all about the here and now because I believe there is no after life.
As a atheist, I believe that polygamy hurts me in the pocket book. Let me explain. You talked about there could be some brother with 5 baby mommas and all of the women are on welfare. Well he isn't going to be able to afford to support 5 wives and all the children. That leaves me and millions like me, paying taxes to support him and his family. I wouldn't judge anyone on having 5 wives and all the children but don't try and get up in my wallet to support
the whole mess.
You see, religious people will worry about their souls going to hell. I am concerned about my money being taken from me.
I know this is an interview and the cameras are placed in front of them but where is the eye contact from Dr.Umar, he looks completely uninterested and disconnected. This actually feels and looks awkward because he isn't engaging her at all.....Am I the only one who feels this way?
It seems as if he believes she isn't on the same level as he is intellectually, and he's trying his best to converse with her.
No. I was saying the same thing. Its great irony here, because the conversation is about coming together as a ppl but yet visually and energetically you can see the division here!
I am not saying everything has to be sexual, but they are sitting very close to each other. As a man, I know I’d get distracted if I were sitting next to a beautiful woman and looking at her straight in the eyes.
She wanted to do most of the talking and be heard for her views instead of listening.
I think Dr. Umar already knew her position on the issues BEFORE the camera was on...so he kept his approach and tone at gently informing her while maintaining his views.
Lastly, no disrespect to the sister but she said that she is married which is great but there is a high likelihood that her husband is involved with "supplemental" sex. She probably wants to consider herself as not being part of what Dr. Umar is talking about.
am i the only one who finds it odd how he barely looks at the interviewer throughout the course of this conversation? he seems very... flat.
This is not his niche, so the passion just isn't there.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
She’s not debatable And seemly not a challenge, this is not an interview but a woman asking answer and being emotional and opinionated
MyStic MiNdz wtf are you talking about
I don't see him going around and marrying all of the undesirables
“Thirsty black female syndrome.” Oh and let’s not forget thirsty simp brother syndrome. It’s just as bad. We need change. This was a great interview.
I am not for polygamy if every black man had more than one black woman alot of black men would not have a black woman were only ahead of them by 2 million not 42 million i for one will not be apart of polygamy i would rather stay a virgin and just be alone and keep to myself i don't want to be with a man that has more than one wife or mate but i do love my beautiful sisters though im fine being alone its not as bad as most people think its not going to turn my out gay or give me this i do t need a man mind set i just don't support polygamy
Those are lies there are more men than women anyway. That's a lie tactic.
@@tietearoddy exactly, and if any thing it was not called polygyny or polygamy or any of the poly "family words" it's how we as black people lived harmoniously amongst each other. And, if anything it was US, the black women, the queens, the beauty, the Goddess, being supported by multiple men and not in a what they call, "blasphemous" way or any hint of sexual but biologically our black men are MADE to provide, protect, and take care of ALL the BLACK WOMEN in the community because for us it's a matriarch not a patriarch in this wye patriarchal society or I shall say world-view. Silly of us. The opposite of love is hate. They are COMPLETE opposite of us and our communities, our tribes, our world, our EARTH. 🌍🧘🏾♀️👑✊🏾 #composed #Weblackandwegood
@@SpecialKRNB having a matriarchal society is just as bad as living in a patriarchal society hell probably worse
Ty for setting the Queen straight Dr.Umar
First of all reading through the comments made me feel sorry for those who don’t understand polygamy! Woman are more than men and a lot of the sisters are left with sons to raise and no security this is a mans job to raise the sons and protect the woman. I believe that polygamy is the answer because as i said it can secure a woman who has been left abonded to raise her children which I think no matter how much mothers think they can raise sons the unfortunate answer is no you can raise daughters but it’s a man job to raise a boy to be a man that’s why theirs lots of gay men because they don’t have a father figure ! So stop thinking about yourself and think about your child’s future in amerikkka.
Infidelity is NOT the same as polygamy!
Thank you! Why dont people know the difference between frivolous fucking and having an agreement/ contract between a polygamous group
TheRealRenée exactly
Your asking a dog that lives off single black woman .you should be fired
If all the people in the house work, not just a man then we’ll be straight.
Exactly
Exactly
OUT OF ORDER,,,WONT WORK.