Love watching your vids guys !! I’m a sheet metal fabricator and I would say i was the last taught buy real old school tradesmen. It makes me happy to see genuine work done on old cars to keep them alive. I hope One day to get my first cat and have you guys repair it !! You Michael and your dad are brilliant at what you do !
@shannongeddes7314 That's awesome you can appreciate the old school work.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Definitely a lost art, in a world where everything is about how quick and easy you can get things done, so it’s appreciated that there’s still people you out there ✌️🇦🇺
This #holden #torana is starting to look unreal. I have learnt so much watching this series. You boys will blow up on RUclips soon. The attention to detail is spot on. Keep up the good work. Keep it reel keep it steel 😊
Excellent work Darry and Mick. As you know I am a retired panel beater. This is perfect for motivating young guys to do beautiful work content and its so good you are showing file finishing. It is all the attention to detail. Keep it reel keep it steel hahah wascallywabbit thats great. this could be your new saying boys.😃✌👍
This series is starting to get exciting. Nice info on this one I really enjoyed it. There are so many guys going to learn from you gentlemen. Look forward to the next episode. Well done Darryl Mick
G'day guy's i did my panel beating apprenticeship in the mid 80s I was lucky enough to be taught metal finishing unfortunately it wasn't used enough because of the cost good to see you blokes still doing it nice job 👍
Hey @shanestuart399 that's cool that it gives you inspiration that's what makes us want to keep doing videos.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
@honestpat7789 Unfortunately this is today's world.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. Cheers Pat
I got hooked on your file finishing back when you did the Commodore. I can only hope you find a keen young bloke to pass this art onto. Finding someone may be the challenge in this day and age.
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Another great video guys, always learn a bit about your art, I bought some old files from a garage sale and after a couple close ups of your panel files I realised what they are panel beater files, they are old and have a lot of rust on them but still in good order so I’m in the process of cleaning them up to use, the acetylene trick on the panel is another great tip that I will use going forward. Thanks again for another great episode.
@buckminsterfullerene2294 That's awesome. Hope the files work out well for you.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Fully appreciate the skills involved and the quality of work being done here, I’m not knocking the job being done but have a few thoughts. Most of these processes came about before we had modern products, equipment etc so back in the day this was the way to do it but it’s extremely labour intensive and you can get equal results with slightly different processes. The thickness of steel is being thinned even if it’s minute it’s the thickness is being reduced, this isn’t as bad an issue in older cars as the thickness of steel used back then was thicker but in modern cars you wouldn’t want to be making the steel much thinner in most cases as the cars dent easy enough. I also wonder what the finish job would be like if you didn’t go to that precise with the file finishing and gave the car of glaze instead, I doubt you would ever pick it up when the car is painted. I take my hat of to these guys as they are truly craftsmen and it’s great to see this kind of work is still being done and the skills aren’t lost yet
That's the issue, you can't really tell unless you run a magnet over it. It's almost an "art for art's sake" unless you're gonna leave it bare / cleared etc.which is an amazing thing to see. Howard Astill openly acknowledges he doesn't have the skills to metal finish to this degree, so he gets his bodywork to within a millimeter and hits it with high fill. He's won so many top body work / paint awards it's ridiculous, and some of his build are still around looking amazing 20+ years later. Still hats off to the talents of these guys for amazing workmanship. Love their episodes.
I watched his channel and to be honest he has no idea compare to these guys. I enjoy them both. It’s hard to compare these guys. These guys have got my respect for the trade. They are the real deal showing the trade in its correct form. In one way have to give it to Howard for trying. These guys showing all this knowledge for free is unreal for young guys.
@@CarnutrepairsPanelpaint-ts7wn Well, it all depends what goals are being set. If the customer wants a file finished car, wants to be able to show photos of it in bare metal to his mates, and has the pockets to pay for it, then sure this is the way to go. Awesome. Love it. If the goal is to have a dead straight car, perfect gaps and deep mirror paint finish that lasts for decades, there is simply no need to metal finish, as the "no idea" Howard amply demonstrates. The reason metal finishing became somewhat of a lost art is solely because it became an unnecessary step in the paint process.
We appreciate your comments. We have seen many jobs that have been done with body filler and in time the weather and eliments break down and that's why there is no warranty over body fillers with paint companies. Unfortunately this is why many guys are buffing there cars a year later. There are big differences between Top 10 cars that never see sun and street cars that are being driven and left in the sun. After many years in the trade we have seen the finish and long term results. This is why it was taught in our trade. Less is more. Over many years we have experimented on our own cars and panels with fillers on panels and left in the sun for over a year. The results did not let us down. We know what works for us. The body lines are sharper and the shape is true. We can get warranty on paint. We are not buffing cars a year later. We are not doing this for no reason. As we have said in our videos it's just the correct way that is taught in our trade. This works for us and we are not putting any negative feed back towards any one else in the industry . They all do a great job but this is just how we do it and we get unreal results. Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
@@adamsonautobody I fully understand and am not having a crack at anything you are doing, I love seeing people do things the right way and admire the skills you have and attention to detail you put into everything. I guess my point is that somebody getting this involved with a restoration and putting that much money into it that this car won’t be subjected to the conditions you described and will be an occasional weekend cruiser when not being garaged so will having a very light skim coat of glaze over the car create problems? I come from a timber trade and still do most things the old school way because I’m fussy but sometimes I sit back and think I could have done a job in half the time with half the effort for pretty much the same result
Good stuff guys. Jeez Mick, Pops is getting extra lippy on you mate. Might be a good time for the old "rubbing white pepper into the sides of the shop toilet paper" on him. He'll need file finishing for the rest of the day..
G'day, The lines on this Torana are really coming together nicely. Q. How many hours have you chalked up on this job. Q. How are you finding the Mirka sander. I've purchased one a while back but haven't used mine yet. I'm still fixing rust.🥴 So thanks for sharing I'm learning from each video. ✌️ Peace from Melbourne/Pakenham 3810
Hey @kevinhamling1963 its starting to look like a car again. The Mirka sanders seem to be Top quality and we are happy with them. Let us know how you find them ?. We hope your rust repairs are going well. Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Hi @paulcohen142 spray can etch is great and chalk.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. We will do more talk on guide coats.
Scotty here from NZ again. Another awesome episode. Just a question. When you were removing the filler from the top of the door, you used a sanding disc. is that the best thing to use as opposed to one of those wire wheels? Cheers.
Hey @ScottGiltrap. They are both good. only thing with edges is we be careful. You don't want to damage the edges so we like to turn down the speed on sanders and take our time . Thank you watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build.
Love watching your vids guys !! I’m a sheet metal fabricator and I would say i was the last taught buy real old school tradesmen. It makes me happy to see genuine work done on old cars to keep them alive. I hope
One day to get my first cat and have you guys repair it !! You Michael and your dad are brilliant at what you do !
@shannongeddes7314 That's awesome you can appreciate the old school work.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Definitely a lost art, in a world where everything is about how quick and easy you can get things done, so it’s appreciated that there’s still people you out there ✌️🇦🇺
Agree with you mate. It’s nice to see some true craftsmanship again. 👍
This #holden #torana is starting to look unreal. I have learnt so much watching this series. You boys will blow up on RUclips soon. The attention to detail is spot on. Keep up the good work.
Keep it reel keep it steel 😊
These guys are brilliant I agree the channel will only grow.
@linz7172Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Excellent work Darry and Mick. As you know I am a retired panel beater. This is perfect for motivating young guys to do beautiful work content and its so good you are showing file finishing.
It is all the attention to detail.
Keep it reel keep it steel hahah wascallywabbit thats great. this could be your new saying boys.😃✌👍
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Great craftsmanship !!
@peterhess6039 thank youThank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Awesome episode again thank you guys great filing tips . just love your work and passion 😍
@frankcangialosi157Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. Cheers Frank
Great work fellows, can't wait to see the finished product.
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This series is starting to get exciting. Nice info on this one I really enjoyed it.
There are so many guys going to learn from you gentlemen.
Look forward to the next episode.
Well done Darryl Mick
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Another great Sunday with a great show doing your explaining on lost art of bodywork. Much impressed boys 👊👍💪👌
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G'day guy's i did my panel beating apprenticeship in the mid 80s I was lucky enough to be taught metal finishing unfortunately it wasn't used enough because of the cost good to see you blokes still doing it nice job 👍
Great episode ❤ cheers boys .
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@@adamsonautobody ❤️
Gentleman, your workmanship is outstanding. Love the show fellas.
@kenhallam738 Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. Cheers
Amazing work as usual legends, well done.
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Loving the progress and the inspiration to do a little on my s13.
This little car is going to give back for 50 years after your hard work.
Hey @shanestuart399 that's cool that it gives you inspiration that's what makes us want to keep doing videos.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Beautifully done once again guys. Your information is priceless & easily understood.Love your work & channel. Greetings from Adelaide boys 👍🍻
@jeremyconway5793Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. Cheers Jeremy
Old school.Proper way of doing it.
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@honestpat7789 Unfortunately this is today's world.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. Cheers Pat
"Keep it real, keep it steel"
Haha keep it reel keep it steel 👍
Keep it reel keep it steel ✌️
"Keep it real, keep it steel" Hhahah that is awesome cheersThank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
I got hooked on your file finishing back when you did the Commodore. I can only hope you find a keen young bloke to pass this art onto. Finding someone may be the challenge in this day and age.
Me to mate. It’s definitely cool to watch. The owner will be enjoying these next episodes. I looking forward to the lead wiping.
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I reckon now that Mick is married, he might have some kids and have the workshop filled with the next gen! 🎉
Another great video guys, always learn a bit about your art, I bought some old files from a garage sale and after a couple close ups of your panel files I realised what they are panel beater files, they are old and have a lot of rust on them but still in good order so I’m in the process of cleaning them up to use, the acetylene trick on the panel is another great tip that I will use going forward. Thanks again for another great episode.
@buckminsterfullerene2294 That's awesome. Hope the files work out well for you.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Another top episode. Keep up the quality work
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My late father worked as a file finisher at GMH pagewood plant in sydney. He worked there from 63 to 73. Its a skilled art
Looks fantastic 👌 👍
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Real artistry the lead wiping and file finishing. True body work none of the crap plastic filler!!
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Good one boys
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Great work. I imagine the owner must have deep pockets
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We still teach it in the workshop but cars these days are very different to work with. The metal just isn't the same.
The old cars are nice and thick. You can actually work with the steel.
Awesome Work Keep it up Guys
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Those shoulders will be huge by time your done. That’s seriously hard work. Hats off to you both it’s just cool to watch.
Lol we don't need the gym hahahThank you watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.@Luvcars360
Great show it's how it is done file finishing well done. I started panel beating back in 1986.
I learnt a lot on this episode
Thank you watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. @faygoschnick5686
Fully appreciate the skills involved and the quality of work being done here, I’m not knocking the job being done but have a few thoughts. Most of these processes came about before we had modern products, equipment etc so back in the day this was the way to do it but it’s extremely labour intensive and you can get equal results with slightly different processes. The thickness of steel is being thinned even if it’s minute it’s the thickness is being reduced, this isn’t as bad an issue in older cars as the thickness of steel used back then was thicker but in modern cars you wouldn’t want to be making the steel much thinner in most cases as the cars dent easy enough. I also wonder what the finish job would be like if you didn’t go to that precise with the file finishing and gave the car of glaze instead, I doubt you would ever pick it up when the car is painted. I take my hat of to these guys as they are truly craftsmen and it’s great to see this kind of work is still being done and the skills aren’t lost yet
That's the issue, you can't really tell unless you run a magnet over it. It's almost an "art for art's sake" unless you're gonna leave it bare / cleared etc.which is an amazing thing to see. Howard Astill openly acknowledges he doesn't have the skills to metal finish to this degree, so he gets his bodywork to within a millimeter and hits it with high fill. He's won so many top body work / paint awards it's ridiculous, and some of his build are still around looking amazing 20+ years later. Still hats off to the talents of these guys for amazing workmanship. Love their episodes.
I watched his channel and to be honest he has no idea compare to these guys. I enjoy them both. It’s hard to compare these guys.
These guys have got my respect for the trade. They are the real deal showing the trade in its correct form. In one way have to give it to Howard for trying. These guys showing all this knowledge for free is unreal for young guys.
@@CarnutrepairsPanelpaint-ts7wn Well, it all depends what goals are being set.
If the customer wants a file finished car, wants to be able to show photos of it in bare metal to his mates, and has the pockets to pay for it, then sure this is the way to go. Awesome. Love it.
If the goal is to have a dead straight car, perfect gaps and deep mirror paint finish that lasts for decades, there is simply no need to metal finish, as the "no idea" Howard amply demonstrates.
The reason metal finishing became somewhat of a lost art is solely because it became an unnecessary step in the paint process.
We appreciate your comments.
We have seen many jobs that have been done with body filler and in time the weather and eliments break down and that's why there is no warranty over body fillers with paint companies.
Unfortunately this is why many guys are buffing there cars a year later.
There are big differences between Top 10 cars that never see sun and street cars that are being driven and left in the sun.
After many years in the trade we have seen the finish and long term results.
This is why it was taught in our trade. Less is more.
Over many years we have experimented on our own cars and panels with fillers on panels and left in the sun for over a year.
The results did not let us down.
We know what works for us.
The body lines are sharper and the shape is true.
We can get warranty on paint.
We are not buffing cars a year later.
We are not doing this for no reason. As we have said in our videos it's just the correct way that is taught in our trade.
This works for us and we are not putting any negative feed back towards any one else in the industry . They all do a great job but this is just how we do it and we get unreal results.
Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
@@adamsonautobody I fully understand and am not having a crack at anything you are doing, I love seeing people do things the right way and admire the skills you have and attention to detail you put into everything. I guess my point is that somebody getting this involved with a restoration and putting that much money into it that this car won’t be subjected to the conditions you described and will be an occasional weekend cruiser when not being garaged so will having a very light skim coat of glaze over the car create problems? I come from a timber trade and still do most things the old school way because I’m fussy but sometimes I sit back and think I could have done a job in half the time with half the effort for pretty much the same result
Good stuff guys.
Jeez Mick, Pops is getting extra lippy on you mate.
Might be a good time for the old "rubbing white pepper into the sides of the shop toilet paper" on him.
He'll need file finishing for the rest of the day..
HAHAHAH @kym393 Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. Cheers Kym
@@adamsonautobody no, thank you.
Watching every episode of this build has really been a pleasure.
It's a dying art these days unfortunately. It's great to see you blokes keeping old school panel beating alive and well.
I just think its great how they are showing how the doors line up with out fillers.
Thanks @scottyr6033 its the only way we know.Thank you watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Watching in the shopping mall. Had the volume way up. Got to 19:00 and started getting some dirty looks from women. 🤣
hahahahah I also do the same watching RUclips. @3800TURBO Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Great work do you guys remove the skins off
The door frames to aid the panel bearing and rust proofing?
G'day,
The lines on this Torana are really coming together nicely.
Q. How many hours have you chalked up on this job.
Q. How are you finding the Mirka sander. I've purchased one a while back but haven't used mine yet. I'm still fixing rust.🥴
So thanks for sharing I'm learning from each video.
✌️ Peace from Melbourne/Pakenham 3810
Hey @kevinhamling1963 its starting to look like a car again. The Mirka sanders seem to be Top quality and we are happy with them. Let us know how you find them ?. We hope your rust repairs are going well. Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment.
Are we going to see a race between the Charger and the Torana?
It will be like looking back in time
Who will win 🙌 got my money on the Charger in a straight line and money on Torana.
Could someone spray primer on and sand it to find the lows and work them out that way with less chance of taking off too much steel?
Hi @paulcohen142 spray can etch is great and chalk.Thank you for watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build. We appreciate your time to comment. We will do more talk on guide coats.
How many hours have you spent on the body so far?
the dying art of panel bogging rip
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Scotty here from NZ again. Another awesome episode. Just a question. When you were removing the filler from the top of the door, you used a sanding disc. is that the best thing to use as opposed to one of those wire wheels? Cheers.
Hey @ScottGiltrap. They are both good. only thing with edges is we be careful. You don't want to damage the edges so we like to turn down the speed on sanders and take our time . Thank you watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build.
How much metal comes off, does the panel bcome too thin ???... The metal starts out as 1mm thick...
not much at all. Its just a skim over the top to get it straight.
It would be a shame
To paint the car. Clear coat it so we can enjoy the panel work!!!!
That would be cool
@@linz7172Castlemaine rod shop had one, but then they put a Ferrari engine in it and painted it yellow 😢
@@honestpat7789 maybe it was not a all matching numbers car ?
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Cars are no where as thick as under 1980 were
Your not wrong @Procharged32Thank you watching ( Part 38 ) on the Torana build.