Regarding the redone Casino, for that extra $200 you get the gigbag, a better glossy finish, and period-correct fret inlays and headstock. Worth every penny in my book!
Thank you! I've been looking everywhere trying to figure out what exactly has been refreshed/updated from the prior Casino import model to this one. Didn't realize the inlays were incorrect on the prior import version. I thought I had heard they were authentic before, as opposed to the US Casino version where they are not vintage-accurate
Don't forget the pickups too. Now upgraded to P90 PRO which are a big improvement on the old standard P90s.The "old " version definitely does NOT have the P90 PRO pickups although the cheaper Worn Finish version does. Confusing or what?
The price now for the Casino glossy finish, without gig bag, is £680. Had to get the natural. I also picked up an Olive Green worn for £380, i could not leave it. Great guitar, but my natural everything has been fully upgraded. Well worth it, it's as good as the USA built ones.
ummm Dave... The Sheraton is completely different from the Sheraton II pro. The headstock is now like the original from the early 60's as well as mini humbuckers vs. full size humbuckers. Different neck shape as well. Clear as day.
The p90 pros are killer. and the back sides and necks are stained like my USA casino, I have the 2020 older Chinese casino with that wonky sunburst back and sides , the new one is really nice , I got mine today from Sweetwater , very nice , and the Epi bag is really nice , nothing like the Epi lite, the neck is very close to my 65’ USA Lennon casino
As a huge fan of the original USA Epiphone models, these look great. I would far rather see a correct remake of the original Sheraton than what they’ve been doing, which is mostly just a 335 copy. That said, I’m sure I’m in the minority and they probably won’t be great sellers.
The Sheraton with the mini 'buckers and the Frequensator bridge will certainly please John Lee Hooker fans. Although, in all fairness, the electronics and hardware (save for the tuners) are basically the same as the current Riviera's. In all fairness, this new Sheraton is very close to the old Epiphone Sheraton JLH, with a different finish on the back of the neck. Which deviates from the 1958-1964 models in not being a multi-piece affair.
The $449-$649 price range for Epiphone's core and Inspired lines of guitars is perfect. If they want to price models with special features, such as Gibson PUPS or special runs higher, then I'm OK with that, as long as the quality is on par with say, Reverend guitars, or entry-level Gibsons. Reverends have been priced @ $800 and up for years and nobody complains about that.
7:05 In Europe we pay higher taxes (about 20% VAT) which (a.o.) keep our healthcare affordable and accessible to everyone ;-) Add 20% to 900 and you arrive at 1060. On that German site you can change your country from UK or US to any EU country to see the difference in price due to taxes.
@@miserableunoriginal Actually he did put a thin coat of something on it, probably some hardware store spray, that's why it never got the gray areas that invariably show on unfinished guitars (my old strat as well as the '80s Charvels etc. when it was trendy). He also added the black rubber grommet on the selector switch.
I made my name and my rep, playing the good old Sheraton IIs in which I installed Gibson humbuckers. The last two I bought were wine red with the coil split humbuckers. Again I fitted standard Gibson humbuckers with no coil split. Despite the hype, the coil split does NOT give you the sound of the famous P90 single coils. Instead we end up with a weedy, pretty much useless sound, much softer in volume to the regular humbuckers. I also fitted Bigsbys to all my guitars that didn't have them already on there. For my money, the Chinese Sheratons left all before them in the dust. Beautiful fat necks, rock-solid construction, and truly consistent build quality. Actually the Chinese pickups in the Chinese Sheraton II guitars were pretty much good enough sounding to leave them in the guitars, which I did on a couple of my Sheratons, until I got red hot bargain prices on Gibson pickups at the Gibson dealer, where I had an 18-year-long artist endorsement happening. For reasons all my own, I collect white Epiphone Sheratons. These are all Korean-made, and really show the differences the various Korean factories had in their build qualities over the years.
I was actually too much distracted by the Grolsch beer bottle on your desk 😂, good beer from the little country I come from. Anyway, I like the new Sheraton as it is more close to the original ones which were produced in the 60-ties. I have a Sheraton II myself from 1998. Cheers
The point of these guitars is to pay hommage to 60s era models without making a signature model. The Sheraton model is like the guitar John Lee Hooker used most of his career. If you were a blues guy you would clue in to that right away. The Casinos are in line with the models the Beatles had so you do not have to buy an expensive John Lennon version to get that vibe. If you are a metal person or a shredder type these models are insignificant but for blues players they make total sense.
The most important thing Epiphone should do with the wonderful Sheraton II is make it LIGHTER. Its too heavy. I bought a Sheraton II in 1995 (made in Korea 1994). Its a great guitar but it weighs a ton. Wish Epiphone would remake the Sheraton II the same way (keep that tapered c neck) but make it lighter.
Seems like a strange business decision if nothing else...I wonder if these are going to effectively replace the models that they are basically doing over, with a few tweaks? Not really a fan of the more expensive Epiphones, I think they are pricing themselves out of their niche, which used to be ( and should be ) affordable budget versions of Gibson guitars.
Well they have been reading everyone's crazy ass comments for the last two years about how epis are actually BETTER (not close, or as good,but better) than Gibsons. So I guess they figured why not see if people will pay it.
This Sheraton is very different to the existing (outgoing?) Sheraton II (2) It has a different more period correct tailpiece, different neck profile, mini humbuckers etc. I already have a late 80's Korean Sheraton that I was lucky enough to snag for £100. It has that awful D profile neck that takes some getting used to but has plagued Epiphones for decades now. I hope they are moving away from this altogether. Apart from this its a terrific guitar and I'd certainly want to try the new one, but at this price it would only be a small leap to go for something really good like an Eastman. So I'm not clear on what their strategy is and I'm left somewhat confused.
I have a very early 90s Sheraton II as well that is a fantastic piece. The fingerboard is among the best I have ever played, even survived my period of over maintenance. The neck is super skinny which I do not always favor. Does this describe the "D" profile you have described?
@@petergoddard1960 Ah okay, it is a skinny c neck then. Certainly not an Ibanez shredder, but close enough to me. The two shapes I associate with chunky shoulders are d and u, which can give the illusion of greater overall thickness even on modest sizes.
I recently sold my Eastman T486B, I was slightly let down after all the hype the brand gets. I honestly didn’t feel that it was all that special in terms of sound or feel. That is just me though!
The Broadway seems to be very overpriced... also its a 17" jazz box.. Huge guitar.. As someone who plays jazz I'd prefer they revived the Joe Pass model rather than Broadway
Don't know why they would do that it defeats the the purpose for the Broadway jazz box as for the price it's lower than it should be Alot of bang for the buck here I added this one to my collection it will be my second big body jazz guitar In my collection Great tone right out the box
@@dappergents3743 yes, Epi's are great. Bigger guitar - greater tone. But I think there is a lack of smaller hollow-bodies in general. Broadway is s 17" there are hundreds of options to choose from, and you can find some guitars that are 16" like Joe Pass model (significantly lower number), but lets say 15" there is Only some Ibanez guitars GB models... a huge guitar is not for everyone 😮💨 . But i get it, for the sound nothing can beat the 17"
@@BlackonBlack- I think the joe pass guitar is great I'm sure they will be making upgrades in the near future only a matter of time. I like the Ibanez three in my collection my fav is the LGB 30 George Benson it's a perfect size If you like something smaller
Epiphone needs to come out with an extremely faithfull Byrdland model. It would seem that every original Gibson Byrdland is in Ted Nugents guitar safe, so it would be nice to be able to at least get a good quality version at a semi affordable price.
In my opinion that would be a good move to make. However, Gibson/Epiphone owns their factory in China so a move would likely require a another significant investment in the new location. Additionally, it would take time and added expense to train an entirely new workforce because the Chinese workforce wouldn’t be moving to the new location. All that would be very expensive which would no doubt translate into higher prices and potentially a drop in quality until the new workforce gained more experience. Of course, leadership at the factory would still remain the same so the transition could be a lot smoother than expected.
@@charlesbolton8471 I would pay a lil more for a Korean Epiphone if they moved, quite frankly @#$% China and the quality of these Epiphones. That brand has too much rich history to be made like a fkn toy.
Epiphone will purposely continue releasing models that annoy Dave, just for the fun of annoying Dave! Hopefully they'll sell like hotcakes, which almost all of them do, just soo we can sit back and watch this guy eat his negative words. Maybe someday he'll get over the fact that Epiphone can get more than 1k for plenty of models. The prices are NOT going down if he hadn't noticed.
@Andrew Becker, have you missed all of the positive videos Dave has released?!Did you miss the positive things he said IN THIS VERY VIDEO?! Are you like new here?! Might wanna go back and watch again. Dave predicted #Epiphone prices would go up considerably last year, and the world scoffed that it would never happen. Yet, here we are. Dave also has to accurately and realistically report on new releases. This is news, and he’s making it clear what people are getting (or not) for the price increases. Not really sure what the point is of your comment. You clearly missed Dave’s point. He’s not bitter in the slightest, and he’s a major fan of Epiphone. What would you have had him say about these new models instead? (Not a rhetorical question, btw. Feel free to comment or make your own video rebuttal.)
Regarding the redone Casino, for that extra $200 you get the gigbag, a better glossy finish, and period-correct fret inlays and headstock. Worth every penny in my book!
Thank you! I've been looking everywhere trying to figure out what exactly has been refreshed/updated from the prior Casino import model to this one. Didn't realize the inlays were incorrect on the prior import version. I thought I had heard they were authentic before, as opposed to the US Casino version where they are not vintage-accurate
Don't forget the pickups too. Now upgraded to P90 PRO which are a big improvement on the old standard P90s.The "old " version definitely does NOT have the P90 PRO pickups although the cheaper Worn Finish version does. Confusing or what?
Also the back on the sunburst one is brown instead of sunburst like the old ones. I think the brown back looks so much better
The price now for the Casino glossy finish, without gig bag, is £680. Had to get the natural. I also picked up an Olive Green worn for £380, i could not leave it. Great guitar, but my natural everything has been fully upgraded. Well worth it, it's as good as the USA built ones.
ummm Dave... The Sheraton is completely different from the Sheraton II pro. The headstock is now like the original from the early 60's as well as mini humbuckers vs. full size humbuckers. Different neck shape as well. Clear as day.
The p90 pros are killer. and the back sides and necks are stained like my USA casino, I have the 2020 older Chinese casino with that wonky sunburst back and sides , the new one is really nice , I got mine today from Sweetwater , very nice , and the Epi bag is really nice , nothing like the Epi lite, the neck is very close to my 65’ USA Lennon casino
As a huge fan of the original USA Epiphone models, these look great. I would far rather see a correct remake of the original Sheraton than what they’ve been doing, which is mostly just a 335 copy. That said, I’m sure I’m in the minority and they probably won’t be great sellers.
I agree. I'm looking to get one for sure. I have wanted one but the vintage are quite pricey
Epiphone was superior to Gibson why they sold out no one knows
I agree... it’s a lot of dough for an epi...I’d rather go Tokai or burny
:)
The Sheraton with the mini 'buckers and the Frequensator bridge will certainly please John Lee Hooker fans. Although, in all fairness, the electronics and hardware (save for the tuners) are basically the same as the current Riviera's. In all fairness, this new Sheraton is very close to the old Epiphone Sheraton JLH, with a different finish on the back of the neck. Which deviates from the 1958-1964 models in not being a multi-piece affair.
Epiphone's heritage appeals to Epiphone fans & the true to original designs factor is something that's long overdue.
The $449-$649 price range for Epiphone's core and Inspired lines of guitars is perfect. If they want to price models with special features, such as Gibson PUPS or special runs higher, then I'm OK with that, as long as the quality is on par with say, Reverend guitars, or entry-level Gibsons. Reverends have been priced @ $800 and up for years and nobody complains about that.
Funny timing. Been looking for a Broadway! These are nice Jazz boxes for the money.
If you get your hands on one I'd love to hear your thought on it. Or even better, maybe a little demo video.
Snagging a used Sheraton from the early 90's would be my recommendation.
That’s a good idea to suggest. I’m sure the price point is much lower and you can probably find some decent ones.
7:05 In Europe we pay higher taxes (about 20% VAT) which (a.o.) keep our healthcare affordable and accessible to everyone ;-) Add 20% to 900 and you arrive at 1060. On that German site you can change your country from UK or US to any EU country to see the difference in price due to taxes.
I just bought one in Canada 🇨🇦
In Ontario, they are $999 CAD + 13% HST.
The "worn" model is still $720 new and it is around $500 for a used one.
Your Sheraton picture was a Riviera was it not?
The Broadway with the Free quensator split tail piece is a Jazz guitar with a solid top it is an out and out Jazzer with great tone and action.
Dave, they haven't had the Sheraton with mini humbuckers since 2012 so i guess one can say these are "new" guitars 😅😅
The natural Casino of Lennon's he refinished, it was never a stock color until the late '90s.
Lennon’s casino is still stripped and unfinished today.
@@miserableunoriginal Actually he did put a thin coat of something on it, probably some hardware store spray, that's why it never got the gray areas that invariably show on unfinished guitars (my old strat as well as the '80s Charvels etc. when it was trendy). He also added the black rubber grommet on the selector switch.
I made my name and my rep, playing the good old Sheraton IIs in which I installed Gibson humbuckers. The last two I bought were wine red with the coil split humbuckers. Again I fitted standard Gibson humbuckers with no coil split. Despite the hype, the coil split does NOT give you the sound of the famous P90 single coils. Instead we end up with a weedy, pretty much useless sound, much softer in volume to the regular humbuckers. I also fitted Bigsbys to all my guitars that didn't have them already on there.
For my money, the Chinese Sheratons left all before them in the dust. Beautiful fat necks, rock-solid construction, and truly consistent build quality. Actually the Chinese pickups in the Chinese Sheraton II guitars were pretty much good enough sounding to leave them in the guitars, which I did on a couple of my Sheratons, until I got red hot bargain prices on Gibson pickups at the Gibson dealer, where I had an 18-year-long artist endorsement happening.
For reasons all my own, I collect white Epiphone Sheratons. These are all Korean-made, and really show the differences the various Korean factories had in their build qualities over the years.
I'm somewhat excited for the Epiphone Greeny, but I have a feeling it'll just be a re-fried version of the '59.
I was actually too much distracted by the Grolsch beer bottle on your desk 😂, good beer from the little country I come from. Anyway, I like the new Sheraton as it is more close to the original ones which were produced in the 60-ties. I have a Sheraton II myself from 1998.
Cheers
Very happy they've updated the back and sides of the VS casinos
The point of these guitars is to pay hommage to 60s era models without making a signature model. The Sheraton model is like the guitar John Lee Hooker used most of his career. If you were a blues guy you would clue in to that right away. The Casinos are in line with the models the Beatles had so you do not have to buy an expensive John Lennon version to get that vibe. If you are a metal person or a shredder type these models are insignificant but for blues players they make total sense.
I have a Casino, Sheraton 2 pro and a couple Epi Les Paul’s. I don’t get the Sheraton. It’s just a fancied up Riviera.
Oh the ironing of it , Lennon straps back his casino to the wood and now epiphone seems that colour swathed in polyester
All i care about with these hollow or semi hollow guitars, can they rock?
Something to do with get back?
Mother of Pearl center block. You made me laugh, thank you! 😄
The most important thing Epiphone should do with the wonderful Sheraton II is make it LIGHTER. Its too heavy. I bought a Sheraton II in 1995 (made in Korea 1994). Its a great guitar but it weighs a ton. Wish Epiphone would remake the Sheraton II the same way (keep that tapered c neck) but make it lighter.
Seems like a strange business decision if nothing else...I wonder if these are going to effectively replace the models that they are basically doing over, with a few tweaks? Not really a fan of the more expensive Epiphones, I think they are pricing themselves out of their niche, which used to be ( and should be ) affordable budget versions of Gibson guitars.
Well they have been reading everyone's crazy ass comments for the last two years about how epis are actually BETTER (not close, or as good,but better) than Gibsons. So I guess they figured why not see if people will pay it.
Surely the Sheraton is quite a bit different to existing Sheraton 2?
I like the Casinos. I’d probably go with the less expensive one though
Didn't the Broadway use to be the Joee Pass signature model?
See video. See truss rod cover. See Dave's shirt.
This Sheraton is very different to the existing (outgoing?) Sheraton II (2) It has a different more period correct tailpiece, different neck profile, mini humbuckers etc. I already have a late 80's Korean Sheraton that I was lucky enough to snag for £100. It has that awful D profile neck that takes some getting used to but has plagued Epiphones for decades now. I hope they are moving away from this altogether. Apart from this its a terrific guitar and I'd certainly want to try the new one, but at this price it would only be a small leap to go for something really good like an Eastman. So I'm not clear on what their strategy is and I'm left somewhat confused.
I have a very early 90s Sheraton II as well that is a fantastic piece. The fingerboard is among the best I have ever played, even survived my period of over maintenance. The neck is super skinny which I do not always favor. Does this describe the "D" profile you have described?
@@kencubala9560 yes skinny neck but with a pronounced ‘shoulder’.
@@petergoddard1960 Ah okay, it is a skinny c neck then. Certainly not an Ibanez shredder, but close enough to me. The two shapes I associate with chunky shoulders are d and u, which can give the illusion of greater overall thickness even on modest sizes.
I recently sold my Eastman T486B, I was slightly let down after all the hype the brand gets. I honestly didn’t feel that it was all that special in terms of sound or feel. That is just me though!
It’s called marketing. That’s how Phillip Morris over took the cig market from RJR.
The Broadway seems to be very overpriced... also its a 17" jazz box.. Huge guitar.. As someone who plays jazz I'd prefer they revived the Joe Pass model rather than Broadway
Don't know why they would do that it defeats the the purpose for the Broadway jazz box as for the price it's lower than it should be
Alot of bang for the buck here I added this one to my collection it will be my second big body jazz guitar In my collection
Great tone right out the box
@@dappergents3743 yes, Epi's are great. Bigger guitar - greater tone. But I think there is a lack of smaller hollow-bodies in general. Broadway is s 17" there are hundreds of options to choose from, and you can find some guitars that are 16" like Joe Pass model (significantly lower number), but lets say 15" there is Only some Ibanez guitars GB models... a huge guitar is not for everyone 😮💨 . But i get it, for the sound nothing can beat the 17"
@@BlackonBlack- I think the joe pass guitar is great I'm sure they will be making upgrades in the near future only a matter of time.
I like the Ibanez three in my collection my fav is the LGB 30 George Benson it's a perfect size
If you like something smaller
It's part of Epiphone's 150th anniversary. Be cooler if they were ldetified in some way as such...
Saw a recent Reddit showing Dave Grohl holding an Epiphone version of his guitar. Not sure if it was photoshopped or not. Looked legit tho.
Those are Rivieras!!T current Casino is 0nly worth 449!!
The Sheraton is the same as Noel Gallagher’s from the 😮Knebworth gig in ‘96
Except for the headstock
Epiphone needs to come out with an extremely faithfull Byrdland model. It would seem that every original Gibson Byrdland is in Ted Nugents guitar safe, so it would be nice to be able to at least get a good quality version at a semi affordable price.
How is that Sheraton different from a Riviera ?
The Sheraton has a center block (Riviera is a true hollow body guitar) and a different neck shape
@@heinoherrlich3263Nope, Riviera also has a center block.
Yeah price change. One would think epiphone would be looking at moving production considering US China politics right now
In my opinion that would be a good move to make.
However, Gibson/Epiphone owns their factory in China so a move would likely require a another significant investment in the new location. Additionally, it would take time and added expense to train an entirely new workforce because the Chinese workforce wouldn’t be moving to the new location. All that would be very expensive which would no doubt translate into higher prices and potentially a drop in quality until the new workforce gained more experience. Of course, leadership at the factory would still remain the same so the transition could be a lot smoother than expected.
@@charlesbolton8471 I would pay a lil more for a Korean Epiphone if they moved, quite frankly @#$% China and the quality of these Epiphones. That brand has too much rich history to be made like a fkn toy.
It's called inflation, where have you been for the last two years.
Interesting….
Stop buying guitars for one year and know what the price will plummet 🎊 then it’s bargains utopia 👌🏻😏
More guitars is always better than less guitars. Why are you trying to confuse me? lol
Less Talking!!!! More playing please !!!!
You're just reading specs without testing the real thing.
This is not a review or an informative video, it's just chatting.
Too much for Epis, I won't be buying 😮
More crap from Gibson/Epiphony. For a good guitar, buy ESP.
Epiphone will purposely continue releasing models that annoy Dave, just for the fun of annoying Dave! Hopefully they'll sell like hotcakes, which almost all of them do, just soo we can sit back and watch this guy eat his negative words. Maybe someday he'll get over the fact that Epiphone can get more than 1k for plenty of models. The prices are NOT going down if he hadn't noticed.
Interesting that you think I'm all that worried and not just making videos for the whole algorithm thing !
I also regularly compliment what Epiphone have been doing over the last 3-4 years... you must have missed a video or 300.
@Three Chord Dave he really seems to be taking it personally
@Andrew Becker, have you missed all of the positive videos Dave has released?!Did you miss the positive things he said IN THIS VERY VIDEO?! Are you like new here?! Might wanna go back and watch again.
Dave predicted #Epiphone prices would go up considerably last year, and the world scoffed that it would never happen. Yet, here we are. Dave also has to accurately and realistically report on new releases. This is news, and he’s making it clear what people are getting (or not) for the price increases.
Not really sure what the point is of your comment. You clearly missed Dave’s point. He’s not bitter in the slightest, and he’s a major fan of Epiphone. What would you have had him say about these new models instead? (Not a rhetorical question, btw. Feel free to comment or make your own video rebuttal.)
@@ThreeChordDave wow, Dave comes out of the shadows! 😉😂
This is the only way Gibson can compete in this day and time.