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Hey Jason, this setup looks awesome. I believe you'd get a better venturi effect by adapting up at the beginning to funnel MORE water in. This will force more flow into the smaller pipe creating higher pressure in the line. That will in turn create a greater vacuum on your suction pipe. If you put a restrictor on the suction hose end like say a hose barb or something, that should also increase the vacuum pressure. You may have to adapt up also at the end going into your sluice to drop the pressure again so it doesn't wash out your sluice.
You should take those pipes out for a nice dinner….greatly improves your chances of suction!😳😉👍
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IMO, as a journeyman pipefitter, you need to remove the restricted Y and allow as much suction to be created as possible by the venturi effect. Replace that Y with a sanitary Y and have it reduced with a bushing for your suction line.
Gotcha !! Thank you 😃✅
@@FlourgoldWizardsI would increase the intake size also.
The y also as close to sluice as possible like a keene set up
Where the stick is, have a PVC T with a Valve so you can get the system started with the suction tube closed, then open the valve which closes the starter intake, and makes the suction tube the main intake. ;)
KC over there with a JH Diesel Shirt on. Lol Nice Choice. ;)
If i may invvect a little plumbers knowledge,if you use a sanitary T with a long sweep your suction will increase , from two inch reducer bushin down to your 11/4 to adapt your suctiothose
Excellent!!
Hmmm the Venturis didnt work... maybe next time try the Surfari's?? 🤷♂️
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Better than the guy in episode 1 of America's Backyard Gold lolol
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Your creek sounds awesome. Super babbly brook
Exceptionally babbly 😃
Your Y coupling is not a venturi. A venturi requires restriction. Google venturi.
Agreed ✅
Omg what with all the big words today lol.
Im not sure …. I blacked out…🤣
6" pipe reduce to 4", 3", then 2". The more slope the better. Hydraulics my friend
Right on ✅✅✅
Need more drop in elevation for that sucker. Too bad you don't have a beaver dam there somewhere.
Or build one ! 🦫
You can gravity dredge with just pipe and hose. No need for the Venturi. Here are the basic principles. The discharge end of your pipe must always be lower than the intake end of your hose. Keep your pipe and hose as straight as possible. No dips and no bends or material will begin to clog up. All connections in your pipe must be air tight. Any leakage will drastically reduce suction. Gorilla tape is great for sealing connections and works even when wet. You need a quick connect system to hook your hose to your pipe. If you use pipe that has a male and a female end,you can cut a small piece off the male end of the pipe and Gorilla tape it to your hose. Start by setting your pipe up first. You want at least two feet of vertical drop between the intake end and the discharge end of the pipe. Place the intake end at least three inches under water. Pin the intake end in place with heavy rocks. When your pipe is set up properly and is producing adequate suction, fill the hose with water and then quick connect to the pipe under water. Your pipe is set up with a female end upstream. To quick connect just plug the male hose end into the female end of the pipe. When this connection is made, seal it underwater with Gorilla tape. Resist the temptation to jam the quick connect connection too tightly. You will need to get it unstuck when you are done. When you are running do not overload the system with material. The art of gravity dredging is in a proper balance of material and water. When properly set up your your gravity dredge will provide suction comparable to that provided by a motorized dredge. Remember, if the intake end of the hose is lower than the discharge end of the pipe your suction stops. Looks like you don’t have much drop in that location. If you want to work that spot you will probably need longer pipe. Aloha
Exactly where im headed with this, more pipe, theres just no real drops in elevation!
Thought on the intake end of pipe.. 8 to 10 inch pieces of 3, 4, and 6 inch pipe adapted to the 2 inch pipe to force more water in should help increase pressure in theory
@@grumpypupscratchnskills5385 Main problem he was having in that location was not enough vertical drop. You really need at least two feet of vertical drop. Another useful general principle is to use the least amount of pipe sections you can after sufficient vertical drop is achieved. Four inch pipe with two feet of vertical drop will generate enough suction to tear tendons in your wrist
@@grumpypupscratchnskills5385 Other way around. The large pipe needs to be at the down stream end. You need to create high pressure at the top with low pressure at the bottom. You cannot create additional pressure by creating additional flow larger pipe into smaller pipe. It actually works in reverse. The reduction actually creates back pressure, which slows the flow and reduces the pressure.
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I'm thinking, instead of a restrictor at the top, put a bigger pipe and funnel it into the tube. The more water you can converge into your 2 inch pipe, the faster the water moves through the pipe, creating a stronger venturi effect at the Y point.
Noted 😃✅
A bell reducer going from large to small in the top end will increase pressure and thus flow down the pipe.
I like that !
Gold scratch fever always gets the best of us. Venturi, picture throttle body and imagine Bernoulli’s principal . 😅
Crazy aye ? 🤓
Always have a blast. Keep on having fun getting that Au and living the dream. Gold Squad Out 🤠
Thanks! Will do!
The gravity dredge is a great idea. Definitely gonna need some tweaking though. That big ole sluice is awsome though. I just got a big classifier screen for mine. Im gonna try to get up next week to try it out. Thanks for posting an awsome video to svratch my gold itch.
I’ll be watching for it !
Absolutely love what you bring to the gold panning community great vid JASON/FGW TEAM 👏👍
Thanks 👍😃🐕🐺🐕🦺
Good morning Jason and the boys. I believe that the y pipe is in the wrong direction. With the suction the flow follows the bigger pipe. The y is working against the flow not the same direction. Some water is trying to follow the y pipe suction. I guess you would say backflow . Thank you and the boys...
Thanks for the info! It’s our pleasure 😃🐕🐺🐕🦺
Spring has sprung and we are back in the water! Wooooo!
Great video boss. Glad to see you feeling bater and with 3 pups hunting for gold! You must really have the gold fever! 😂😂😂
More of a gold cold…🤣🤣🍻
Which way did you install the 'Y'? The way you were showing it before the install seemed reversed to me. IMO, the two openings should be upstream instead of down. Thus, the water in the main pipe rushes PAST the opening creating suction. The other way the flow would get diverted from the main pipe INTO the side pipe and create pressure.
The hose was directed upstream ✅
Hmmm, guess you just have to use the hose hooked directly to the pipe inlet. You have a fairly modest slope there, that might be the limiting factor.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 exactly
To stop plugging the hose put a 1/2 inch screen over the end of the suction nozzle ( you're for small gold anyway) it keep rocks and sticks out. I use a garden hand rake to move things around and get to the small sand and gravel.
Nice !!!!👍🏻
no snacks for the hard workin miners ?
I totally forgot 😭🐕🐺✅🐕🦺
Jason, just hook your dredging hose to the top of the pipe. You just have to pay attention to the sand/water ratio so it doesn't plug. To use that setup with a suction nozzle, you'd need 50-100 psi, and you just don't have enough slope for that, unless you want to lay out about 1/2 mile of pipe...LOL. Good episode in any case.
I believe thats my plan 😃✅✅✅
Let's do the next video of 45 minutes to an hour
You got it 😐
Vacuum eductor for fluid will highly increase your vacuum flow. Check out one for a fertilizer application, and increase its size, and all should be good 👍
Thanks for the tip!
hay Jason I tried this last year for the ventui effect you need a 2" elbow up stream of the Y tilted slightly sideways and it must be under water. the suction like will only have suction for about 1 foot maybe 2 feet if you have enough drop. For me the best setup was the PVC Y with 1.25 vacuum cleaner hose. hope you get it working
this was my one: ruclips.net/video/SDZwhAqg7G8/видео.html
Nice !
Living vicariously through your good adventures. Keep it coming!!
Thanks! Will do!
I like your waders. Right equipment!
Me too!
Thanks Jason I’m sure you’ll master it soon enough plenty of good advice in the comments
I hope so too!!!!
Hi Jason I hope you can make sense of what others are saying, do this don’t do this, I’m not a plumber but I do have a crack that resembles one 😂🤣🍻🍺🍺
Lol…. Extra long ? 🤣🤣🤣✅😃
Wow you asked and they answered!!!! Youll get it rolling!! FGWTEAM 🐕🐕🐕🐕🍺🍺🍻
Next up: my smelly water heater…🤣🤣😃🍻🍻🍻👍🏻✅
Set up rocks in a V shape on your intake.
Hey Brother, if you can prospect for gold, you could be stacking bricks... right?
I do plenty of both !
@@FlourgoldWizards and here I was, thinking you retired...
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My wife wants me to work forever…🤣
he's a hard worken miner.
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Do you even need the y . Couldn't you just conect your soft pipe to the straight pipe.
That’s my next move ✅
What's the old saying? go big or go home so to speak... 40 feet of 4" pipe would have roughly 215 pounds of sucking power vs same 40 feet of 2" with only 50 pounds. even the 3" pipe doubles that sucking power. Cobbles 🍻
Well more suck is way better!!!🤣🤣✅🍻
Hello Jason...
Great video, i concure with the sanitation y on your hose. Keep those vids coming brotha.
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Will do ! Thank you 🍻😃🐺
Funny thought for all today.
Here we are cheering the FGW Team, but, the best thing we can hope for is that his contraption really, really sucks.
Happy St. Paddy's Day.
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The Biggest Challenge with the Water Pipe can be seen when you lift the Discharge End out of the Water and show the Flow. The Flow is too Smooth.
The Problem is that you have Laminar (Smooth and Calm) Flow in the pIpe and this causes a lot of Resistance to the flow.
If you look at Appliance Discharge Hoses you will see that they are almost always corrugated. This produces Non-Laminar Flow (Bubbly and Fast).
You need to change the Flow in the Pipe to Non-Laminar Flow in order to Really Increase the Water Velocity. That's how the Stream Works.
The Stream Bed has Obstructions, the Pipe does not. So you are actually slowing the Stream Water down in the Pipe. [This is CounterIntuitive]
The only Suction you are feeling is due to the Water Height Drop (Head Height) and not due to a Flow Differentiation or Venturi Effect.
Would this corrugated hose then trap the material?
Looks like another fun adventure with the boys! You'll get the pipe dredge figured out. Lotsa good advice from the fgw fans. Cobbles🍺🍻
Thank you! Cobbles 👍🏻😃🍻
Im not a prospector just like watching. I would think an attachment like an old fashion fan folding out to catcher and guide more surface water. This should be adjustable to control the flow. Happy sluicing! Give the doggies a bone....
Nice !!
...that sucks when ur sucker don't suck 😥 I'm thinking a taper on your main line might be required, then have your y connection smaller.Put the small end at the sluice end to build pressure. All you have is volume and no pressure on your setup today. Pressure will create water speed, which will cause vacuum. 2" to 1 3/4" to 1 1/2" to 1 1/4" then to dredge to sluice. Volume in the top, pressure at the bottom. Pressure causes vacuum, not volume??? The faster you move the water, the more suction should be created???🤔✌️😎
I think you’re onto something!
Velocity and pressure of 2 inch pipe. You have 27.2 pounds of water in 2 inch pipe, so at vertical it'll have great pressure and velocity. Half that at 45 degrees or 13.6 pounds , half that at 22-1/2 degrees (6.8 pounds) so at 5 degrees it's 1.7 pounds. Not much weight. So do some test at home to know when you can get the velocity high enough
Far be it from easy, but I found that building a little damn to raise the water level helps the syphon drop for my rig. I had 25 foot of 1-1/4 clear vinyl tubing to run a paddle wheel rocker sluice. I let it run for a month. I have the video.
I actually received a video from someone who showed me something so simple with the exact setup i have I was almost embarrassed…., lol…. Wait till you see !! 🤣🤣🤣
I can’t help you with your gravity dredge system, but it sure is fun to watch! Now you need to train your dogs to help you haul all the gear down to the krik!!
All they wanted to do was run around and play 🤣🐺🐕🐕🦺
Have you thought about adding some type of funnel to the upstream end of the tubes to force some more water flow into the tubesso you get a little more consistent flow?????
Dave Vail
Fredericksburg, VA.
I have now ! 🤣✅
Go big to little. Make a dam to get water built up, (funnel to increase water access maybe like sluice flare if the mood strikes you) then downstream. (a barley pop from mother natures fridge) Downstream, put in the reducer to increase water pressure (your venturi), and then the Y joint for your sucker. If you have 2" of water coming in, then go down to 1", the cross-section area difference is about 4x, so 2x 1" would still get you 2x the water value of the 2". That should suck. I think.
Another thing I see a lot of is that with those flares at top of the sluice (making the V everyone is told they want), the material all tends towards the center rather than being worked over the whole mat, so peeps only get about 3" of working mat in a 10" box. If it's all packin the cetner, that might be where your flakes are jumping ship.
Definitely!
Test test test!! Can you hide a bilge punp anywhere in there😮? Have you thought about a recirculating setup at the bench you found last year..... I have 😂
Cobbles!
I actually stopped there on the way home to get a pail, recirculating would be impossible, just too much clay . I went through 3 - 5 gallon pail’s of water just to pan it 🤣 Decent gold tho and no frost in the ground ✅
Cobbles😃🍻
Use a 3” inlet pipe and then about 8-10’ down reduce it to a 2-1 1/2” and you’ll get what you’re looking for. That’s how I was taught by my grandpa
That’s where im headed 👍🏻
You'd make more money feeding beer thru that pipe. Lol😅
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pretty cool never tried gravity dredge looks like it will work with some fine tuning
Yes it will😃🍻✅
My advice is; Northerns are in prespawn right now, lol Cobbles !!
Yum 🍻
Hey back from the north just made a trommel for my 4'-12" gold sluice out of one an a halve 20gal oil drums the process was great I wish I could show you pictures of er. Love the videos ✌️
Nice work! Thanks!!
Another excellent video Jason! Keep playing around with that dredge system and I know you'll get it figured out. Thanks for bringing us along on another adventure!
Thanks, will do!
If you increase the flow of water going into the pipe, you can get the pipe to Suck additional water if the intake is completely submerged.
Excellent!
I’m going to need more Cobbles to think about this problem! Do you have the Fridge of Wonder fully stocked?
Definitely 🍻🤜🏻🤛🏻
Hey Jason, I would say that first attach hose straight to pipe,but probably use a 1" hose on 2" pipe. 1 1/2 " hose on a 3" pipe. Second would be to shorten your feeder pipe to no more than 30 ft. Should be able to draw a good suction. Hey brother stay safe and give the boys scratches for me. See you on the next video.
Scratches all around 😃🐺🐕🦺🐕✅✅✅
Sir, its mega maid, shes gone from suck to blow. Haha. Nice fix.
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Every restriction, or downsizing of the pipe would increase the velocity of the water, I suggest at least 2 reductions in size. Start big. You would then pull your "wye" or suction end off the bottom third section of pipe of faster water thats increased in velocity. There your venturi/vacuum effect will be highest. You'll have to be careful with the rocks you suck in, as the reductions in size will obviously cause some plugs unless you have a cage on the suction end, I suggest a couple deck screws through your sucking end to prevent this.
Thank you for your help!!
I'd try keeping it as simple as possible. Make a straight siphon, no splitter. Run your rigid pipe to where you want it and couple on a smooth walled hose (smooth shouldn't catch as much debris) with a ball valve for stopping the flow
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I'm sure you'll figure it out! This was a video that has an interesting nozzle. ruclips.net/video/INJVosWZxU0/видео.html They are using a pump to feed it, but I think your 40 feet of pipe and suction would be as effective. You forgot to show the conglomerate smash and test. lol
Lol… i forgot it next to my backpack 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The idea of the 4" pipe constricted to a 2" should help bunches. But if you can add a flare or cone to the 4" entrance, you should be able to force even more water than before, might have to figure out how to slow down the volume, it might be like a fire-hose! Probably won't need to lug 100ft of pipe either.
Fire hose ??? Wow 😃✅
You need 100’ of pipe minimum from what I’ve done. Also 3” or 4” pipe would make a huge difference. No y needed just use your hose.
More is always better!!! Thanks 😃🍻
Definitely have to work on the siphon idea. Looks like it might make things easier. Maybe take some ideas from a sandblast siphon. Don't give up looks like it'll work. And then let the gold flow. Great video once again. Thanks
Thanks for the tips!
What about putting the intake opening under a classifier and shoveling into that. It would avoid clogs. But that may defeat what you are trying to accomplish.
I actually thought of that too !
Yes Jason 4” down to 2” plus the Y the Y part should face upstream …. I think that’s the ticket 👍👍👍
Nice 🍻✌️
Was wondering if you could do the same thing with black drainage pipe or if it would work the same just curious
Possibly!
Good effort, you will get it ✌🏼ever try the water flowing from pipes to a hose into a actual 2” dredge nozzle and out to hose or pipe to the sluice 🤔 might get better suction with a better nozzle.
don’t know if this make sense to you but just a thought cobbles🍻✌🏼
Thanks for the tip!
I've made a couple different types of dredges and from what I've found is you start out with like 6" pipe 3 to 4 feet long then down to a 4" 3 or 4 foot long then go down to your 2" that will create more pressure and faster flow past your Y and in turn should create a lot more suction. But you might have to put a crash box and your sluce to keep from blasting the material off your mats. Hope that helps.
Much appreciated!
Well on a regular dredge hose the pressure supply comes in from the side ,and the suction is at the end maybe a 3" 20' up to a flare to build a little extra head pressure,down to a reducer at the 2" Y then a 2" up to hose and 2" down to box and maybe play with increasing pipe size from Y to box ,love great idea and I believe it will work
Thank you Brandon !!
That's a great idea. Màybe try to fit a screen on the suction pipe to help from clogging.
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Hey, I’m super new to this stuff and just learning a lot. What is that stuff you have on the top of your slick plate is that a 3M material? I know some people just use an indicator strip. What is the purpose of lining the whole slick plate?
The main part is roofing rubber held down by 3m tape. I can see gold flakes that get washed down last as you scoop material on, i know if im putting gold in my system this way ✅
Maybe a funnel at the top to increase the velocity in the 2 inch pipe? A lot lighter than 4inch pvc 🤣
Waaay lighter!
Your dogs are loving life out there, they can’t stop running around , they look very healthy.
They really were !!
Shouldn't the smaller hose be connected at the "Y" to facilitate the Venturi effect?
It was at first ✅
Chris Lilly conglomerate of the week!😂
Lol 😃✅✅✅
Buen contenido
Thank you 😃✌️
😂😂😂😂😂I can understand why Jason is a Mason, Plumbing sucks ? but not in this case because it doesn't suck ? Jason I think you need a bigger pipe 😂😂🤣🤣. Time to find a leprechaun with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow not lucky charms . Gold mining by government decree really does suck . Mine a politician? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And definitely not a carpenter!!!
Forget the Y. Put your suction hose at the upstream end and use the siphon effect. I have seen videos of guys using a 4 inch gravity dredge. Love your videos. Give your dogs a scratch behind the ears for me.
That’s where im headed i think ✅
Interesting that is for sure. Great video mate. You’ll get it right. 🇦🇺👍
Thanks 👍
You have a tough situation with such a shallow amount of drop to create a suction dredge. I agree with the 4” pipe idea with a reducer. Have some great, heavy pans Jason!
We may have it figured out !
Hey, if you want to increase the pressure, you need to have a need to change a Doctor from 2 inch to like 1 and 3/4 or 1 and a 1/2 inch type and that will help increase your pressure down at the sluice.Hope this helps thanks bye
Thanks for the tips!
The only way you can increase the pressure (psi) is by getting more head on your intake pipe, psi is psi and is only created by head height or by mechanical means. A lot of people confuse velocity with psi.
I hope you get that gravity system going good. Something isn't correct.
I have a good plan now!!
Hey the wye is a good idea, but turn the wye around so the water can't blow out the wye, it will just blow past and create the suction your looking for I believe:)
It was turned around in the water but still didn’t have the pressure needed ✅
You don't need a venturi, all you need is pipe, hose (or along enough hose if no pipe), then you need enough drop in the river without the drop it wont work well. The river doesn't really seem to have enough drop from what i've seen so far. You need a drop of about at least 3-4 feet i'd say, and also put the suction hose on the inlet.
Exactly ✅
might have enough lift for your high banker future project
Bingo !!! 😃
Jason, add 1/4 in hardware cloth so you don't suck up bigger stones
I plan on it 😃✅
You can also use a Monitor System. Your first pipe of 4 to 6 inches, then keep reducing the pipe size.
Nice !
I hope you can get the gravity dredge working properly as I know a lot of people would want to use it since mechanical dredges aren't allowed.
Me too!!!
And maybe go from the size pipe you're using to a larger pipe by the sleuth to create more suction
Sounds reasonable 🍻
I'm no expert, but look at your sluice. It has the flair at the top to channel more water over the riffles. Instead of a reducer at the top of your pipe I would try using a 4 inch to 2 inch coupler to channel more water into the pipe to increase flow and pressure in the lower end.
Excellent ✅
Frog sticker,? How do you get stickers to stick to a frog? Oh, you dry it off, before putting the sticker on.
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I'm no plumber but look up Kris harbor natural building on your tube. You may need a stand pipe to draw in air. There is a formula to figure this out but.
Thanks !
You can also try it with the Y connector wherever along the pipe where you want to suck. Once you get flow going in the pipes, completely block off the end upstream and that should put all suction at the end of the hose.
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? Bigger tee in middle connected to a above the water box and hopper with a screen to block bigger stones and manually dump the material down big hole to exit faster over a longer 4 ft mat or something like that lol.
Maybe!! ✌️😃
Luv Rigby! He should be carrying 2 beers for you in a bag on his back😂
I’ll run it by him…🐺🍻✅
I didn't see the mine boss get his snack today... Good to see ole Rigbone in the field...
He really did well!!!
Do you have to file a claim for that? I'm in Michigan and I think we need to file a claim to use a Sluice.
No sir 😃
Yeh. I said that. My buddy did that with 8” on a spring on a big hill. 400 yards neck down to 3/4 “ gave him enough pressure for his camp and had to open end another 3/4” because it was too much
Too much ? Nice !