Warhammer 40,000's Most EPIC Video Game Does NOT EXIST, and it REALLY Should! A 40K Rant.
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The original version of 40K was much closer to an rpg, but the focus on small, detailed units was at odds with the commercial goal of selling more models. That's why there was 'Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay' (basically a grittier version of DnD) but no 'Warhammer 40K Roleplay', as it would have been redundant at the time.
The rot in the games industry would have to be excised before a project like this should be attempted
Mass Effect plus the Eisenhorn trilogy is literally sitting there for them. 1 game per 3 book arc over 10-15 years. It would be a billion dollar franchise. The question is, which studio that currently exists could pull it off? Bioware, Bethesda, Ubisoft or anything EA related are incompetent. I don't think anything under the Microsoft umbrella could do it justice. The dream would be Santa Monica. Those people are f*cking wizards. Beyond them, I don't think its possible to do something Mass Effect-esque ever again. More and more I'm starting to believe that series was a black swan event and I likely won't see something like it again in my lifetime. Maybe after the show is done, Cavill jumps into the gaming side and saves us again?
Rogue Trader was pretty good. The expansion will release soon on Steam.
Rogue Trader is bomb
It's ok. I found the combat to be a little bland. Unlike Xcom or BG3 it gets stale after a few fights
It's bomb when it works my buddy and I got tired of the game breaking bugs and stopped our playthrough
I'm not into computer RPGs so don't know how it compares with others, but while I quite liked the scene-setting and dialogue the quests all devolved into pointless meatgrinder battles against utterly unchallenging opponents that did nothing to promote optimising a team ... and then would randomly sidetrack into a hard battle that needed optimisation, often with no rhyme or reason.
There wasn't enough to do outside combat (other than wander round the multi-room planet searching forlornly for the boss battle) and while the trading system was a nice idea the execution was undercooked: other than ship upgrades, by the time you had the influence to get the bland weapons and armour on offer it was already past its sell by date.
And it could be due to bugged progression, but I ended up losing most of my supporting characters either because they never came up as options to hire (the Drukhari), the quest to get them seemed not to complete (the Space Marine), or a quest needed to keep them around seemed to be missing a finale that let me enter the boss fight (the black marketeer). I also seemed to end up in Comorragh - which took up far too much of the story - in an unintended way, with the result that I kept getting dialogue about things that had never happened.
On top of all that the final summaries were a fun idea but produced a lot of mutually inconsistent events in my story, and having completed the campaign it seems I need to do it all again to get full value from the DLC.
I'd go mad for a series of character action games in the Heresy. Limit it down to playable marines and humans and their stories, you don't get primarch povs. This helps to lessen story bloat and summarize the books for a game series.
First covering the run up and atrocity at istvann iii with some playable characters from the Sons of Horus, Mechanicum, Emperors Children and Death Guard.
The second covering the Raven Guard, Salamanders and Iron Hands in the run up and massacre at Istvann V.
The third covering the Wolves, Thousand Sons, Sisters of Silence and Custodes during the burning of Prospero.
The fourth covering the Word Bearers, World Eaters and Ultramarines in the midsts of the Shadow Crusade.
The fifth featuring the Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Nightlords touching on Signis, Thramas and the forces arrival into Ultramar.
The Sixth touching on the White Scars and Alpha Legion in Chondax and the Battle of Phal between the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists.
I came up with a cool idea for a 40k one based on vraks and through out the story you swap between different people good and bad from cultists to guardsmen and space marines and so on to see it from different view points on how mental the siege is
If... *IF* you was to have a SM companion then it would have to be Lamenter. Because you have a solo brother picked up easily explained by them having perennial bad luck and would have gotten separated from his chapter, and being on a penitent crusade, he'd join you as a means of getting his chapter more redemption. That, with the bad luck that plagues the Lamenters, gives him character development that can be done over a good and fleshed out arc.
the one kind of game that would make bank is a crusader kings like game where you are a noble fighting for power in a hive city with Scaling power levels up to being a planetary Governor. and it could be a rogue-like as you have a random city/planet settings and deal with all the Machiavellian powers like tau, chaos cults, genestealer cults, taxes, hive gangers, the Ecclesiarch and you could start as a ganger house that gets favor and in one of many ways gain influence from the many factions in the hive city. depending on what powers you helped the control of the planet would shift towards the greater powers like Chaos with leanings for Khorn, Nurgail, undivided what have you, the imperium of man ie the Ecclesiarch, IG, Administratum, Xeno ie tau, dark eldar, genestealer cults.
I 100% get you. I remember when Mass Effect was coming out and I wanted this to be a thing SO BAD. I see a lot of comments talking about Rogue Trader and yes it has all of the core pillars you mentioned. I LOVE RT and how it presents the setting, giving players far more freedom to actually speak and deal with Aliens. Its characters and your crew mates are fantastic. You're given freedom to delegate and build your dynasty. It's got everything you could want of of a 40k RPG. It's not a particularly geared towards accessibility though. CRPG's are Niche already and it lacks that slick productions of something like Mass Effect and the streamlined skills that don't require more than a glance to understand what it does. I dread leveling up in RT for the very reason I'm going to have to read and retain paragraphs if I want to play "optimally" and balance out my party. It's a deep and rich system but I can see why people would bounce off it, hard.
As to your plot idea, I love it, though I would change a few things. First, I wouldn't use Eisenhorn if only for the simple fact his story is still going forward. The idea is sound as he's a recognizable figure but I think it would just handcuff the writers. I still love the idea of the Interrogator taking up the Inquisitors mantle, though I would keep them from being sworn in as an official Inquisitor. That way when an official Inquisitor comes, The players every deed a decision will be held in judgement. Otherwise I think its quite a fantastic idea and a game I would love to play.
To fully present the 40k universe you need a large server farm that expansion as the story grows.
This allows players to enter regardless of media whether that be PC, XBOX, Playstation.
I've always wanted a Warhammer version of Star Wars Battlefront.
Loyalist/chaos Primarchs could be the hero/villian equivalent, Guardsmen as the standard troops, Space marines as the special reinforcements, dreadnoughts as vehicles etc.
The game around Eisenhorn sounds like a great game,
I had a similar idea but instead you could choose your background (career) to have started from one of the many recruiting worlds or hive citys & either choose to be in Imperial Guard, space marine etc and work your way up in rank possibly.
Love the idea, unfortunately I have doubts that it could be done properly at this time. My only tweak would be not allowing your character to be a psyker or null until after completing one playthrough
Hmm, sounds good. One problem though, Eisenhorn is no longer seen as the main Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, he's gone rogue and considered a radical (which he definitely is) and a heretic (which is up for debate) he is wanted by the Ordo Hereticus. The PC could be his Interrogator but it'd be unofficial and complicated.
As I told you months ago, You have the talent to write a series of books that the reader is the hero, with choices to make like in the good old days, and it will sell. Just avoiding character names and GW words ownership to avoid being accused of stealing IP. Just like Grimdark Future does it.
It needs a true digital 40k recreation. Battle sector was half way there but we need all models, single and multiplayer matches, etc etc etc. 2. We need a fully built RTS mad by blizzard to replace StarCraft. 3. We need a full on RPG. Like Elden ring length rpg 4. An auto battler like
Mechabellum but all 40k units and factions would be great
It might also be fun to have a temporary Eldar follower, not one who permanently joins your crew (although maybe in the 2nd or 3rd game).
I like the idea but I think one companion should be a space marine of the Raven Guard to contrast the mindset between an Aspirant and a full Space Marine
If you wanted a Warhammer mass effect game how would you handle the romance?
Would you include it or cut it out completely?
I like your game idea as a way to get more people into the setting. Imagine a team up with a custom mini company like Hero Forge to allow players to make their own custom Inquisitor mini...
I’ve been trying to manifest a mass effect style Esienhorn game for years. Though if they could make a sequel to rouge trader but with baulder’s gate 3 level production that would be awesome too
So, unpopular opinion here.
The Grimdark can severely restrict storytelling and interest if rigidly applied.
If everyone lives brutally miserable existences, works 16 hour days then gets to sleep 8 hours inna bunk by their stations, never gets any days off etc.
You cannot explore family life, recreational and other activities of the common citizenry. You cannot have bars, sports games etc.
If guard regiments demand lifelong service till death, and they see 90% casualties. Then you cannot really have veterans or former guard characters.
So its a fine balance between keeping the feel and grimdark of 40k. But having a universe where interesting things outside of war actually happen.
Rogue trader is pretty much what you're describing in the video north. My ideal game would be something like rogue trader or the game plot in your idea but with the production value, budger and care that was put in to baldur`s gate 3 by a studio like larian and not a triple A studio.
Literally my company is trying to make this game just waiting for the licence and we gotta wait for a good prototype to send them foe that licence lol since it's our first game kinda
Edit either that or a battlefield 40k game as it would be easier to make than an RPG
Down with North for denying us hot Sister of Battle booty!!!
No but in all seriousness the soul mate thing sounds sweet as all hell and I’m a sucker for that kind of thing. Part of me wants to steal this whole thing for a RPG. My players would gobble it up as I know I would
Love your content i found your channel a few weeks ago and have been binging all the nightmares! Love your content keep up the good work
Space Marine 2 is due soon, that looks good. Multiplayer mode & chapter customisation.
Are you even aware of Rogue Trader?
Did you miss the part when he praised Rogue Trader?
Why would a company able to produce a high quality mass effect like game want to pay licensing fees to games workshop? There's a reason why even obsidian is shying away from developing games for ips they don't own. I seriously doubt we're ever going to get anything rivaling Owlcats attempt at a good 40k game.
I would play the shit out of a game like this
I love this idea. I'm.not 100% on the lore behind rouge trader (apologies) but is there a way you could have a diverse motley crewe of xenos and humans like in ME?
Could you have the exiled custodes martial artist whose been wandering the galaxy in exisle? The stubborn sarky votann mechanic? The kroot sharpshooting bounty hunter?. The wise snooty but eventualy chil eldari warlock? The tau earth caste scientist upgrading everyone's equipment? The comedic ork looking for a decent crumpin. And The human captain finding a way to align everyone's agendas, differences and goals to form a streamlined effective unit. Together they can be ready to work their way through anything the galaxy has to throw at the player?...
Or would it just a a tightly packed tin can of a ship of human/space marine zelots grunting about being thirsty to kill anyrhing that's not human in the name of the emperor for +40 hours?
Rogue Trader is a thing FYI
I bring it up in the video pal.
Bad guy wise, the only ones i can think of that could be slowly revealed are tyranids or necrons (which would be just like the reapers)
The studio who made "Eisenhorn:Xenos" video game tried to do something like your Mass effect idea but they didn't do it right. Probably a lack of budget and skill combined on that but at least they tried.
looks dope tho
@@NavarreBuitenhuis at times.
I tried playing it but it just made me wanna re-read the books instead.
Classic case of "the book was better" there.
Let’s worry about scrubbing out the w0keness that’s permeating into the hobby before taking on grand ambitions. See Henry Cavill’s tragedy
Dark Heresy 2.0
And it's spiritual successor Imperium maledictum (while not as nice looking is a more balanced than DH was)
I personally would like a hive world simulator kinda like Sim City meets Frostpunk.
How would you make this game?
A first person rpg like Skyrim set in 40k universe would be boss.
Rogue trader is the best rpg we'll ever have for 40k.
Gw won't invest the amount required for a true aaa rpg
GW don't have to invest anything to make a true AAA RPG. They'd just sell the license to a major studio like they do everyone else.
GW wouldn't be spending a penny on developing the game. GW should WANT a AAA RPG, it is literally printing money for them for no effort or cost on their part. The issue actually is which developer/publisher will make this kind of game? I believe one day it will be made.
Would it be much to ask to have romance options in a warhammer game?
I'd say an Action CRPG sounds perfectly fine.
Bioware definitely blew all the good will they had with Andromeda
I think it would be kinda cool/stupid to play a game like Og AVP on Xbox. But you're a custode trying to infiltrate the palace for a blood game.
Speaking of games not made; Forge World Tycoon
It sounds like the sort of game where I could emerse my self. I like it.
Epic concept. NO SHOT of ever being made.
We need a ship boarding game set in 40k that plays like r6s
Give me a game centered on Captian Uriel Ventris.
Im gonna be completely honest here. I dont like RPG video games. I honestly dont like Roleplaying in general. I like thinking myself as a general of armies and a story teller but i just cant put myself in another characters shoes. I dont want to be anything other than myself and i just dont see the appeal id love to hear others insights on this but if i have to read long pieces of dialogue i just skip it
So make it. I’m sure you have some coders and other people with the right skill sets in your community.
As a big Dr Disrespect fan I'd be curious to know how you feel after he's admitted to being a nonce
Not sure I want to cover it mate as it’s not hobby related, safe to say I feel gutted and let down.
Sounds like a dope game to me. I’d play it.
I really liked inquisitor Martyr
two words, Battlefield:Krieg
Rogue trader ia what not releases in your alt universe?.
Liked and subscribed. Nothing like a miffed northerner 😄
40k needs a good game, period.
A friday rant? Let's go!
It’s Thursday
@jackcharlie9322 whoops. Work is kicking my butt totally forgot what day it is
@@steventhompson7473 all good bro nearly the weekend
I'd buy it
A 2nd 40K rpg where you can't make the sister your tradwife, you cruel cruel man North
Lore is lore, respect the lore.
Take my money already.
No ogryn follower?
0/10
When you say "like Mass Effect" you need to be more specific because 1 was Star Trek and 2 and 3 where Star Wars, they aren't even the same genre and are barely a trilogy
Zzzzzzzzzzz😂
fix ur title
hero.
ME1 was good, absolutely hated ME2 and ME3
That's very interesting why is that? Normally its the other way around.
@@northernexile i enjoyed all the rpg elements from the first game the guns the mako etc … ME2 and ME3 felt too much like gears of war and they stripped all the RPG stuff out. I think I’m in the minority 🤣