Honestly her actions in this movie were understandable. If someone came to my property, wrecked my lawn decorations and left without even apologizing for it, I’d probably be pissed off too.
Not defending the movie, but according to the wiki..: An earlier draft of the script revealed the reason behind Stormella's hostility toward Santa and the Elves: she was Santa's jilted ex-girlfriend and responsible for Santa setting up headquarters at the North Pole in the first place. She even kept his picture hidden under her mattress. However, the producer nixed this idea claiming, "You just can't do that. This is a kid's show."
There is actually more information about the films production courtisey of SonictheShapeshifter a.k.a. LadyFoxling who met the screenwriter for the film. she stated the following "I actually met the screenwriter for this movie and he's a really cool guy. He talked to me about what went into the making of this, and he wanted to add darker elements to the plot and explained a lot of things about it that didn't make it to the final cut (including why the fairies were following Rudolph everywhere and cared about specifically him--they were his guardians and gave him the light in his nose, and Stormella was initially rejected by Santa in favor of Mrs. Claus, causing a triangle conflict and also explaining why she had a cold heart, among other things!) He explained to me that the reason why Santa in this version of the story was supportive of Rudolph is because he didn't like how Santa was only nice to Rudolph after Rudolph became of use to him in the claymation, so he wanted Santa to be a character who genuinely cared about people in this cartoon--which I think makes sense because we're talking about a big fat guy who likes to deliver toys to kids all over the world for no profit. I think that it's a bit ignorant to suggest that the cast of the movie should be condemned for not all looking identical to each other, not just for political correct reasons, but because in real life people are racially diverse and come in all shapes and sizes and STILL people are actively bullied. They don't all need to be clones for one person in particular to stand out and be picked on for it. I think it was actually really better of them to color and draw the characters in different ethnicities because they could have been lazier and literally copied the animation cels so that every character was literally identical. Because it took more effort to do what they did I don't think they should be condemned for it; also, it probably did make some minority people happy. Christmas movies are in general all white for cast; political correctness aside, isn't it okay for there to be a Rudolph tale where there are some other races present? Santa isn't only delivering toys to white kids after all according to how we perceive his mythos. One last thing I want to point out before watching other videos is, "Ruddy" was not a typo, it was an insult. Rudolph's nickname in the film was "Rudy" so calling him "Ruddy" was an insult to him; also, it just happens to have red-in-the-face for a definition, it's an actual word. (And in Britain it has the same connotation as "bloody" so it's just a straight-up insult in general). For what it is it certainly could have been better. but it did do a lot of things enjoyably." "The problem was corporate interference. Be glad that Rudolph didn't look like a carebear; the screenwriter pushed hard for Rudolph to look as good as he did, the animation crew cut corners, and a lot of the darker undertones the guy wanted to include to make the story more compelling got vetoed by the executives who wanted the final product to be as inoffensive as possible" That is sad. This could have been a decent film but that is what happens when a direct to video company(rather than a risk taker like Disney) that sells animation as a cheap kids babysitter makes your film.
I wasn't expecting to find interesting and insightful facts about the making of this movie in the comments section of a RUclips video review, of all places, but in this case I'm glad that I did. Suddenly I feel really bad for the people who worked on this movie and wanted it to be better than what we got but were denied the opportunity to make it so.
@@noahbossier1131 that all goes to show just how much effort really goes into things that you might not think of and even if the final product ends up not going over very well. there was definitely alot of INTENT for symbolism and significance even if alot of it ended up on the cutting room floor. as a yet-unpublished amateur writer myself, i can definitely appreciate that.
The thing is, Rudolph had already saved her life. They could have used that as an epiphany moment for her to decide to turn nicer voluntarily, especially if they added some dialogue to actually justify her reasoning for the change. Sure, it may have felt forced and unrealistic, but that’s par for the course for Christmas specials, and it’s still a lot better than a wish coming out of nowhere and basically brainwashing her. Of course, her voluntarily turning nice would be dependent on the quality of the writing involved, so maybe they just decided that was too much work.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 supposedly the movie had stornella as Santa's X as a concept. So maybe mix that with voluntary nice amd maybe have her calm down the storm as much as she can to the pij twhere sanra and his deer wouldn't freeze to death or something and santa says thanks and apologizes or ANYTHING other than wish for niceness
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 Yes, they had a perfect opportunity for Stormella to have a change of heart after Rudolph saves her, but instead they use a wish to force a change on her, which totally undermines the story's whole theme of accepting people for who they are. Really dumb.
Why is it that it was released to theaters?! Looks like something that could be straight to video... the cheap animation... the childish music... the fanfiction-ish plot... Antz was also released on that month so it most likely got this movie overshadowed.
On a percentage basis relative to its cost, even Disney's The Black Cauldron didn't tank that badly, and that was the film that almost killed Disney Animation.
I'll have to give Goodtimes some credit. Blitzen's a way better father than Donner. He's actually proud of son's weird deformity and supports him, while Donner was ashamed of Rudolph and was more than ready to take him out back and shoot him. Also Blitzen's voiced by Gary Chalk which is like a plus.
I thought so too since, Santa Claus and Rudolph's dad both come off a hell of a lot better than they came off in Rankin & Bass movie. I feel like this one had some elements that didn't work (the annoying sprites and the bad characters whose irritation was rational rather than based on evilness). But it kind of made up for it by having Rudolph's struggles come off as realistic and you feel bad for him, but they fact that he had support from his dad and Santa seems like a really positive aspect of the movie since Rudolph would look up to both.
nice person ≠ good character Donner being a dick to his son added conflict to the story, wich is sorely lacking in the Good Times version. yeah he got laughed at in that one scene in school, and that one song where everyone calls him a weirdo to wich he seems oblivious, but overall the "bullying" was very chill, and him being hated by the girl's boyfriend and getting disqualified from the race is totally his fault and not the others being dicks to him (it's bullshit that the guy who was obviously cheating won anyway, but still). no one seems to really hate Rudolph, wich weakens the all point of the story, while the Rankin Bass special made you feel for the guy, and thus made for a more satisfying resolution at the end. also Donner was a consistant character, while Blitzen just starts off embarassed by Rudolph, making you think they're gonna do the "daddy issues" story again, but then they immediately pull a 180, when the mother tells him that there's nothing wrong with Ruldolph, making the previous scene establishing him to be not proud of his son, completely useless now, without even adding water.
While I agree Santa in this movie was better, I feel like Donner was a bit more interesting. Donner had the right idea, but his methods just weren't very good. At least he didn't call Rudolph's nose "an accident" like Blitzen did. He even feels bad for trying to hide Rudolph's nose and even goes out into the wild to find his son and bring him home, that's dedication for ya.
I actually loved this movie as a child and the moment when Rudolph laughed with Slylie over his red nose was always really remarkable for me, because I realized, if you can laugh over your own mistakes, you are a lot stronger. He finally accepts it and this is something I haven't seen in another movie since. In all the other movies the characters NEED a PROOF that their mistakes are worth something in another way. And while Rudolph learns that in the end, too, he first realizes, that it's not the world's end, that you can love yourself by just laughing about your own mistakes. That said... the German voice cast sounded better xD And what else is really remarkable is, that this scene doesn't even look forced or something. I felt that :O
That's a fine way to rationalize it! I always stuck with Slylie's advice on "It could always be worse". Because if you say it like that, you're basically admitting that you're thankful that it's not as bad as others have it. That's some really humble stuff.
I liked it as a kid too! While this is no reason to cut corners or half-arse anything, it doesn't have to be amazing quality for kids to enjoy it, and that's okay.
"Illegal use of a glowing red nose." If there is legislature against using glowing noses in the games, then they've been a problem in the past and have occurred in reindeer before. Doesn't that kinda ruin the "it's good to be unique" and "your special talents are what set you apart from others" morals of the Rudolph tale?
+GunvorPlays I know right! I remember got this on video for Christmas when I was 8 years old. Never thought it was amazing, but I enjoyed it and watched it hundreds of times during the holidays. I might still have it somewhere in my old nostalgia box, I'll have to check...
Of course he’s the worst! Santa never punished anyone who did something wrong and Stormella was literally the only person who tried to distribute punishment for any wrongdoing. Disobeying someone’s wishes even if they seem ridiculous is still wrong no matter what and so is property damage and all forms of cheating. Rudolph clearly made his nose go off on purpose and then tried to pretend it was unintentional.
Wait, so Stormella actually loved being evil, it gave her joy to do so. So when Rudolph wished her nice against her will, she's now going to live a life of misery due to that love of being bad stripped away from her. Rudolph, you are the true evil of this movie
Evil people are a detriment to society as a whole, they spread misery among others and get enjoyment out of it. How is it "evil" to _fix_ them? Isn't that part of what punishment is supposed to do, in a more indirect way? Even if she was miserable as a result, how is that not justified in the face of what she would inevitably do, and probably already has done, to others, with little to no _real_ provocation? (As Phelous pointed out, she would have likely caused that storm even if random wildlife that didn't even know about the bridge ban and had nothing to do with the christmas village had crossed the bridge instead of those christmas reindeer.) Additionally, did she seem miserable to you after she was changed? She immediately, happily, showered her penguin butler in smooches after finally realizing that he's cute/finally being able to get enjoyment out of his cuteness. Doesn't seem like a miserable existence to me. This concept of being overly nice to bad people, and condemning acts of retribution or even reparation, has to _stop._ It's causing much more damage, to much more undeserving targets, than it prevents.
What the heck are you talking about theuncalled for.not only is it clear the original commenter was joking, but just because someone is bad doesn't mean they have no rights.
22:34 The funny thing is, Rankin-Bass _also_ did a retcon that revealed that the storm didn’t occur naturally. In _Rudolph and Frosty’s Christmas in July,_ it turns out to have been caused by an ice wizard named Winterbolt. This is _also_ connected to the origins of Rudolph’s shiny nose here, as it’s revealed that the dying Lady Boreal, Queen of the Northern Lights, transferred the last of her powers to Rudolph when he was born at the same time that Winterbolt finally awoke from the deep sleep that she had put him in. It feels like they were going for a retelling of the first story with the elements revealed later on, or at least substitutes thereof- Stormella for Winterbolt, the Sprites for Lady Boreal- though Stormella meets a _much_ happier fate than Winterbolt did.
This makes it three times that John Goodman has played Santa. This movie, A Year Without Santa Claus, and my personal favorite...Robot Santa from Futurama. The fake endings are one of my favorite reoccuring gags from you. :)
+Masdaw Galshini Yep. He was Robot Santa in the first Futurama X-Mas special. He was replaced by John DiMaggio in the second one, probably due to schedule conflicts.
Not that this would've fixed the movie, but they could've just written the villains to be either underhanded or overreactive if they wanted to properly portray them as such. First, make the two elves confess their accidental destruction of the sculptures right away but make Stormella still refuse them passage on her bridge in the future because of this. Second, not have Rudolph and Zoey about to swap spit and instead just actually be talking when Arrow starts acting jealous; and when the reindeer games start make him pretend to be blinded by Rudolph's nose so the judges disqualify him from the rest of the games. Rankin Bass might've had weird and jerky stop motion animation, questionable and/or outdated ideas, and multiple instances of convenient writing, but at least you felt sorry for the characters you were supposed to feel sorry for and understood why they were considered misfits or outcasts. Here, the villains are shown quite clearly to have justification for their anger.
***** I guess there had to be something to make him an outcast but at the same time it had to be something that could save the day and make them like him. Thinking about it not sure it's a great message to send to kids but I guess when it was made that's what they wanted. :)
Being different can always make people make fun of you or even hate you and it does not matter if its something big or something small that should not matter at all.
CyberLance26 I know, just seems like an odd choice and as the video points out the story kind of sends a bad message, mainly that anyone who is different is a freak unless you need them then they're cool. :)
Chris McWilliams Well thats how it usually is in stuff where somebody gets hated on for being different that they always must do something big like saving somebodys life for example to be accepted instead of just being themselves and yea that kinda gives of a bad message in a way. But being accepted only for being yourself maybe would not make very interesting or exciting storys.
CyberLance26 Granted. It's still not a very good message. :) A lot of older stuff like that tends to have messages we would probably think twice about if they were written now.
I can understand using the wish to make the storm queen nice instead of immediately ending the storm; it was more of an investment to keep her from purposely causing excessively troublesome storms in the future.
@@andrewkim9848 So she can bother someone else and spread misery amongst other populations or among her own employees? What you have to understand is that bad people are bad (I know how obvious that sounds, dammit!). They do bad things. If they weren't, and if they didn't, they wouldn't be bad people. They always find ways to cause trouble. What's really _lost_ by making a person not-bad? And in comparison to that... what is gained in return?
Ok I get it, but I’m just asking about the ethnically questionable part of it. And I’m also saying it’s a shit way to reform her. This is literally a situation where talking to her and convincing her to not be evil would make sense, and they don’t do that. Maybe have her and Santa talk things through and reach a deal that would leave both sides satisfied, maybe just wish for her to not bother anyone in general? What is it about wishing her good that is supposedly better over these solutions I presented?
@@andrewkim9848 Guaranteed effectiveness, guaranteed success, minimal suffering. By wishing her nice, she is now nice, deep down. Therefore, she is now happy when she can do good things, and will naturally avoid doing bad things without a magical wish blocking her from doing so even when she wants to. She will never even _want_ to do bad. By being converted to good, not only _is_ she likely to be a happier person overall, but she also now _deserves_ it for being a good person. By trying a different solution, there would be a risk of an inferior end result, a possibility of loopholes to exploit later by the angry and still-malicious ice witch, or possibly even deadly side effects as the wish unintentionally prevents her from even talking to people to, say, buy food for example. You're trying to use soft manipulation to achieve the same result, and if that doesn't work, try to cage the problem instead of burning it out at the root. Also, and this is important, I was not looking at alternate solutions in the initial response. I was analyzing only the solution that was already there, because to me it is good enough. So this is a different discussion than the one I was "signing up for", so to speak.
"Not with *that* nose!" Um, why would having a different-colored nose affect flying? Rudolph lacking nostrils and sounding like his sinuses are about to explode would maybe be a bit more disconcerting? I'm not personally experienced with run-flight but it sounds like that would require some extra respiration.
I just found an almost-functioning Rudolph plush from Macy's yesterday at Goodwill. When I got it home, I looked at the somewhat beat-up tag and I think it's based off the Rudolph from this cartoon. Has the black-tipped ears and everything.
I have one of them, too. He actually works perfectly...Which is unfortunate because he emits the most ear-raping rendition of his theme song that you will *ever* hear.
I saw the Snow Queen 2012 movie. It makes Frozen feel worse after it took what that movie had before it. There was troll in movie who can turn into a polar bear to help his new allies when the rock trolls in Frozen would make fun throwing and rolling objects.
@@fenrir-art4742 mate Frozen was a LOOSE adaptation of the snow Queen. Look things up, you have the INTERNET, dummy🤦♀️ people like you who accuse people of stealing without research annoy me
So I found a picture of my boyfriend when he was a little kiddo sitting in a Christmas picture with THIS VERSION OF RUDOLPH. I showed it to him and we both had a good laugh at how crazy that is.
Zoe: There's no reason to be jealous, we're just friends. Rudolph: Mmm, no. I think we should be enemies. Fox: He just saved ya' life...from the danger he put you in. Now *you* owe him a wish. Elsewhere... Vegeta: Dammit, Nappa! With the Namek d- _in another dimension_, the dragon balls won't work! Nappa: It's okay! On Earth, you can just push blue ladies off cliffs and save them to get a wish! Vegeta: Oh. Okay, then.
I still don't understand why Rudolph's nose is always round. Shouldn't it be nose-shaped like the rest of the reindeer? Maybe they should check for tumors?
Headcanon: Rudolph's nose was caused by a freak incident regarding a powerful solar storm. As long as his parents were anywhere close to the north _magnetic_ pole, that could've really messed him up. Hid DNA would be no match for ionized solar particles. One flaw: how could it have mutated Rudolph but not his parents?
To be honest, a reindeer’s nose shouldn’t even be shaped like ANY of the reindeer noses in cartoons :D since their noses are more similar to horses’ muzzles
It's really kind of hilarious that they didn't even bother looking up what a proper reindeer looks like and went with a completely different species entirely. Looks like a red deer or something, lol!
A _lot_ of American Christmas productions do this. I understand that kids in the U.S. might be more familiar with red deer or mule deer, but they aren't reindeer just because you say so!
cfruge444 I think reindeer can be adorable! I have a feeling that they didn't know how to do a glowing red nose with reindeer because their noses blend into the rest of their face while white tail deer have these sort of button noses.
Penguins are from the SOUTH pole, movie! Also, whats with so many portrayals of Santa's reindeer looking more like red deer or mule deer? Reindeer are more grey and the females usually have antlers!
Funny thing you mentioned antlers, because reindeer are the only deer were both sexes have antlers, however they would eventually shed them off to grow new ones, the males actually shed them off around Christmas time, and the females keep them at that time to protect their young. So all of santa's are ether all female, or I guess you can call it Santas Magic.
Brandon Lyon Well, like I said, the American adaptations of most things with Santa's reindeer don't have what you could _actually_ call reindeer for some reason. So, it's less that they're all female and more that Santa has the wrong kind of deer for his climate.
I was taught that penguins live in the south pole instead of the north pole as far back as at least KINDERGARTEN! So anyone down here can shove that "it's for kids," bullshit straight back up their ass!
Maybe the butler is originally from the antarctic regions, and was flown in by Stormella? That, or they just didn't know or care. Still, he's the only penguin in the movie, right? So it's plausible, right?
"Did they confuse a Reindeer for a mouse?"... Hmmm very possible Phelan, given they also confused a Reindeer for a deer. Yet Phelan doing more Christmas reviews? You spoil me!
+Assiman it's all about perspective: on one hand, the market was sadly weak. On the other hand, good animation companies had higher goasl than straight to vhs
I think the "Red Nose" film that Phelous covered in Christmas 2021 might be the closest thing we'd ever get to a Dingo Pictures adaptation of Rudolph. Except it's so much slower in pace that it makes me think that "Red Nose" film was the result of both GoodTimes Rudolph adaptations having been infected by African trypanosomiasis (a.k.a. the sleeping sickness). In this case, GoodTimes' version of Rudolph has died of it, and now the North Pole has to go under quarantine.
If I were to name the moment of this film that really got under my skin, it's when Rudolph wishes for the Snow Queen to turn good. It's like, oh yeah, natural character development? Wouldn't want that! Let's just force her to turn good! Great message for the kids!
Stormella wasn’t even really evil to begin with! She just seemed so cold and distant because everyone kept calling her “mean” and talking smack about her, her property was destroyed and she wasn’t allowed to get any compensation for it or even justice, and she never tortured anyone for fun, and she always kept her word. I mean yeah she may have kept Zoey captive but look at the size of her prison! There’s a cave I the background that looks rather deep, Zoey is inside where it is nice and warm, and she has full Mobility inside her prison. Stormella even explains what Zoey did wrong and then doesn’t do anything else to her! Zoey walked across that bridge on her free will and wasn’t tricked into doing it either unlike other movies where someone ends up doing something wrong. Scar tricked Simba into luring Mufasa to his death, Maleficent entranced Aurora to touch the spindle on the spinning wheel, and Lady Tremaine actually uses words to get her daughters to rip apart Cinderella’s dress. Stormella did nothing shady and did explain that there would be consequences if anyone in town had used the bridge as a result of her being denied the chance to get justice for her property damages and punish those who were responsible for it. She had every right to deny usage of the bridge as t was literally the only way she could make sure no one damaged any more of her property.
I remember when I was in elementary school, it was the last day before Christmas break and we were having a Christmas party. The teacher played this movie and we watched while eating popcorn and drinking hot chocolate.
+Wrath's Attack Really?! WTF is up with GTE doing two Rudolph movies?! I guess it fits their MO. Taking some previously established children's character (Alice, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty & the Beast or in this case Rudolph) and making an easy cash in film about them so that they don't have to come up with anything original.
@jbiehlable that film is still pretty mediocre, another film that also gets this right with female reindeer having antlers is “The Flight before Christmas” or “Niko for the stars” if your in Europe, it’s also a bit more scientifically accurate with the reindeer living in ice forest instead of a frozen ice waste land. Also it does mention most baby reindeer are born in spring (since the film is about Niko a young reindeer whose father is in Santa’s flying forces but he doesn’t know who he was since his father didn’t know Niko would be born that next spring) from what I heard the film is alright, and it’s also a film from Europe
+Armin Reindl Same here and I must confess until I saw this review I thought the song "Simply having a wonderful Christmas time" was originally from this movie. So for years I thought "well that movie gave us something" then I realized it wasn't from this film and I was like "..........oh"
to make their forgettable soundtrack memorable instead of spending more money on improving the animation. Making this scene even worse is the laziness of the animation displayed in the scene. With lips that do not syinc and the tape used to glue together the backgrounds.
Oh gosh! I just noticed you inserted Megaman's use of 'MEGA' into some of the elves' lines! I'm cracking up right now! Too bad it's Sunday. I'd be cracking up even harder tomorrow!
A Christmas film released in October...before Halloween... My question is, when it was discovered that they weren't going to be able to secure a December release for their most expensive project ever, who the fuck decided to release it in theaters anyway, instead of waiting a month or two for the Christmas shopping season to kick in and releasing it straight to video?! The whole point of straight to video is that your audience doesn't have a chance to see how crap the film is first! Heck, even the many, many people who didn't buy a ticket probably saw it in the video shop and thought, "Wait, wasn't that the Christmas movie that couldn't even get released at Christmas? I'm a cheap parent, but I'm not THAT cheap."
All these talk about incorrect reindeer in the comments got me thinking... Tfw Alpha And Omega actually has correct reindeer anatomy. Just let that sink in
@@BigBadBuzzard And once again I am... not exactly _forced,_ but motivated by external forces to explain a joke... *sigh* It seems that one particular elf shares a voice actor with "Megagreen" (the version of Mega Man from Captain N: The Game Master). Megagreen was infamous for his annoying habit of saying "mega" at least three times every sentence (this may or may not be slight exaggeration). Phelous inserted the "mega"s to make fun of that.
Animation companies nowadays seem to put a lot of emphasis on hiring big-names, far more often than having actual voice actors. I get concerned when such names are prioritised more than say, having a decent story and characters.
Shanna Edenia We all had good memories of this when we were kids... Too bad it sucks now that we're adults... And it's even worse when you realize that this was released in theaters.
I'm surprised that Phelous didn't realize the reason why Slyly left his cave, was because of an avalanche that nearly buried him and Rudolph. In fact, I'm even more surprised that he missed the chance to do a death joke about those fox ladies being buried alive.
Unfortunately, this isn't the only Rudolph movie that Goodtimes and Golden Books tried to cash in on. Ever heard of the CGI "Rudolph and the Island of Misfit Toys"? Yep. Goodtimes Entertainment attempting CGI... It's as awful as it sounds.
Honestly, this would not have been bad as a home video. It isn't horrific, especially compared to other things you have reviewed. But definitely should not have been in theaters. And they should not have wasted Eric Idle!!
+alucardyoici No. It's just infuriating and depressing to see how a dream from a few people, can be snuffed out and tainted by the hands of others. Or at least, that's pretty much what it's like with the triple A gaming market. >sigh< God knows what'll happen if the movie industry starts stooping to as big of lows as the game industry has.
***** Ah blow me! I'd rather have a reality, where these sorts of media are treated with respect, rather than have them essentially be so bland, repetitive, insulting and just out-right STOCK, that only the dimmest of simpletons would find something substantial in them, 'cause they're such GOOD little neophobic sheep who don't want change, would treat anything new by clubbing it into dust, and due to their unhealthy amount of consumerism, essentially make the biggest of corporate scumbags the "Mafioso" of the entire god damn media industry!! Why don't you put THAT in your pipe and smoke it???
This year, as either a Creepypasta or a sketch in a review, Phelous should do "Old Man Saves Christmas" a.k.a. Old Man RUINS Christmas. Filling in for Santa Claus, he has to deliver presents around the world. Along the way, he accidentally drops some in the ocean (they're completely useless now), keeps some for himself, or gives them to the wrong people. Ho Ho Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. There's a Golden Films Christmas elf movie, so if Phelous reviews that this year, he could do Old Man Ruins Christmas as an aside.
The one male multiple female foxes living together thing is how it works in real life. Not sure about four, but there is always more than one female in a burrow that help each other in rearing the kits. Once the kits are old enough to fend for themselves everyone split up to live on their own until next mating season.
nerdsman567 I've heard that he pretty much _is_ a tragic Shakespearean villain these days- never seen the show so I don't know that much about him, but what I've heard is pretty tragic.
N P She almost kills her sister by accident and is forced into hiding away from the world for most of her life by her parents and finally is forced to take on responsibilities she’s not ready for when they die unexpectedly. That’s pretty tragic
"And do you recall the most famous reindeer of all?"🙂 Me: " Yep, his name is Mitch. He buys you booze, pot, and Taco Bell for you and will kick bullies in the balls!!!"😁
one of the few pluses I found with this version is that Rudolph's parents and santa aren't as overbearing on Rudolph. Besides. He's got a nice crop of Cloud Strife hair coming in. Just add some gel for instant emo! also I get to make the following joke at 13:28. "It looks like that's some HARD light!" I know it's just plain wrong, but I love it anyway.
The only reason I remember this movie is because as a kid I remember getting a toy from Wendy’s in their “kid’s Meal” when they promoted this movie. I remember getting Rudolph and when you pushed a button on his back, his nose “lit” up. But I never saw the movie until this review. 🍸🤔🍸
tbh i still love this movie. though even as a kid i was always miffed by how there was a song Literally Every 5 Minutes. Also Rudolph sounds like ash ketchum
Did you know that Mitzi, and plenty of other female characters are voiced by Debbie Reynolds who also voice acted in the 1970's animated Hanna-Barbera film "Charlotte's Web" as Charlotte herself.
Also Eric Idle's "Brooklyn" accent is fucking weird. Why make him do that? He's an English actor, if you wanted to go an urban route why not just make him talk cockney? I guess I am expecting too much from the Goodtimes people aren't I?
This movie was actually my childhood, I watched it very often during christmas time every year, seeing these scenes again after over 15 years made me very nostalgic
I liked this movie so much as a kid, that mom had to make multiple VHS copies. Like she had to buy an original, then dub it onto blank tapes. Since I kept wearing them out, and it went on for years until VHS was obsolete. I still own one of the many dubbed VHS copies, and there's so many static lines in the video. Lol
@@Razer3073 This is going to sound weird, and you probably won't believe it. I didn't see your comment, and I thought I was replying to the Lucy person. It's also a pure coincidence that we both used the word ''dub.'' I really didn't see your comment, until you replied back and I checked. I also didn't know this movie was dubbed in other countries... very interesting.
2015 seems to be the year I started turning away from The Nostalgia Critic, and towards Phelous. His skewering of bad horror films was decent, and my friend and I got big laughs out of 'The Pooh Train' review...though the animated reviews are inspiring me to consider doing a few of my own. Seriously, Phelous has made me eager to skewer Rankin-Bass' 'Twas the Night Before Christmas.' That short needs it badly!
+80MWH Agreed! The Nostalgia Critic has just been plain _bad_ for at least the last year to the point that I've pretty much given up on him. On the other hand I think Phelous is getting _better_. While I did like his horror movie reviews (though they could sometimes be a little boring, mostly because of bad horror movies having the same damn tropes all the time), I'm glad he's been mixing it up and doing more animated reviews over the last few years because I feel like that's where he really shines.
+80MWH The reason why I started doing my own shit was mostly because of Phelous. Been a long timer watcher (since his first video on TGWTG), but it's the cartoon reviews that really inspired me. Thanksssssss
+80MWH It helps a LOT that the Nostalgia Critic has deviated far from actually doing "funny reviews" of movies to even such an extent that two of his recent videos weren't even actual reviews (One was a soap box and another is him musing).
+Master Markus I don't think Phelos being more enjoyable is linked so much with him getting better, and he is of course, but rather I actually think it is BECAUSE he is getting away from horror movies. If you rewatch his Hostel reviews he slowly gets more and more bitter and the reviews get less and less enjoyable to sit through. He is much better when he is clearly enjoying himself.
Aaah, Good times. Making my childhood embarassing again. But one thing I have to disagree. Rudolf didn't cheatd during the games. He didn't had control of his nose, thus making it subconscious activation.
Am i the only one who thinks that Stormella looks like what happens when you fuse Elsa and Ursula together?(This is why you don't just use Polymerization willy-nilly like that.) P.S. Do Ocean studios voice actors work for peanuts to agree to work on low-budget productions like this?
Who else thinks that Stormella should have been the protagonist who constantly has to deal with her intrusive, loud, and obnoxious neighbors?
Like a female Grinch?
Good times needs to make a prequel about her.
That sounds like a Reddit story
Well time for a prequel
Honestly her actions in this movie were understandable. If someone came to my property, wrecked my lawn decorations and left without even apologizing for it, I’d probably be pissed off too.
Not defending the movie, but according to the wiki..:
An earlier draft of the script revealed the reason behind Stormella's hostility toward Santa and the Elves: she was Santa's jilted ex-girlfriend and responsible for Santa setting up headquarters at the North Pole in the first place. She even kept his picture hidden under her mattress. However, the producer nixed this idea claiming, "You just can't do that. This is a kid's show."
I wouldn't call that defending the movie, just pointing how dumb the producers were. Thanks for sharing.
There is actually more information about the films production courtisey of SonictheShapeshifter a.k.a. LadyFoxling who met the screenwriter for the film. she stated the following
"I actually met the screenwriter for this movie and he's a really cool guy. He talked to me about what went into the making of this, and he wanted to add darker elements to the plot and explained a lot of things about it that didn't make it to the final cut (including why the fairies were following Rudolph everywhere and cared about specifically him--they were his guardians and gave him the light in his nose, and Stormella was initially rejected by Santa in favor of Mrs. Claus, causing a triangle conflict and also explaining why she had a cold heart, among other things!) He explained to me that the reason why Santa in this version of the story was supportive of Rudolph is because he didn't like how Santa was only nice to Rudolph after Rudolph became of use to him in the claymation, so he wanted Santa to be a character who genuinely cared about people in this cartoon--which I think makes sense because we're talking about a big fat guy who likes to deliver toys to kids all over the world for no profit.
I think that it's a bit ignorant to suggest that the cast of the movie should be condemned for not all looking identical to each other, not just for political correct reasons, but because in real life people are racially diverse and come in all shapes and sizes and STILL people are actively bullied. They don't all need to be clones for one person in particular to stand out and be picked on for it. I think it was actually really better of them to color and draw the characters in different ethnicities because they could have been lazier and literally copied the animation cels so that every character was literally identical. Because it took more effort to do what they did I don't think they should be condemned for it; also, it probably did make some minority people happy. Christmas movies are in general all white for cast; political correctness aside, isn't it okay for there to be a Rudolph tale where there are some other races present? Santa isn't only delivering toys to white kids after all according to how we perceive his mythos.
One last thing I want to point out before watching other videos is, "Ruddy" was not a typo, it was an insult. Rudolph's nickname in the film was "Rudy" so calling him "Ruddy" was an insult to him; also, it just happens to have red-in-the-face for a definition, it's an actual word. (And in Britain it has the same connotation as "bloody" so it's just a straight-up insult in general).
For what it is it certainly could have been better. but it did do a lot of things enjoyably."
"The problem was corporate interference. Be glad that Rudolph didn't look like a carebear; the screenwriter pushed hard for Rudolph to look as good as he did, the animation crew cut corners, and a lot of the darker undertones the guy wanted to include to make the story more compelling got vetoed by the executives who wanted the final product to be as inoffensive as possible"
That is sad. This could have been a decent film but that is what happens when a direct to video company(rather than a risk taker like Disney) that sells animation as a cheap kids babysitter makes your film.
I wasn't expecting to find interesting and insightful facts about the making of this movie in the comments section of a RUclips video review, of all places, but in this case I'm glad that I did. Suddenly I feel really bad for the people who worked on this movie and wanted it to be better than what we got but were denied the opportunity to make it so.
@@blapis-blazuli I completey agree with your statement and yes I do feel sorry for the writer behind this film.
@@noahbossier1131 that all goes to show just how much effort really goes into things that you might not think of and even if the final product ends up not going over very well. there was definitely alot of INTENT for symbolism and significance even if alot of it ended up on the cutting room floor. as a yet-unpublished amateur writer myself, i can definitely appreciate that.
Rudolph: "I wish you were nice"
Stormella: "K"
*CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT*
The thing is, Rudolph had already saved her life. They could have used that as an epiphany moment for her to decide to turn nicer voluntarily, especially if they added some dialogue to actually justify her reasoning for the change. Sure, it may have felt forced and unrealistic, but that’s par for the course for Christmas specials, and it’s still a lot better than a wish coming out of nowhere and basically brainwashing her. Of course, her voluntarily turning nice would be dependent on the quality of the writing involved, so maybe they just decided that was too much work.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 supposedly the movie had stornella as Santa's X as a concept. So maybe mix that with voluntary nice amd maybe have her calm down the storm as much as she can to the pij twhere sanra and his deer wouldn't freeze to death or something and santa says thanks and apologizes or ANYTHING other than wish for niceness
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 Yes, they had a perfect opportunity for Stormella to have a change of heart after Rudolph saves her, but instead they use a wish to force a change on her, which totally undermines the story's whole theme of accepting people for who they are. Really dumb.
If she's his "doe-friend," does that make some of the other bullies "buck-buddies?"
+girlfoxgirl
(wheezy laugh)
MY GOD!
Now we´re asking the real questions
@AT Productions why
neat one
"I'm Aurora. I'm Sparkle. I'm Glitter. I'm Twinkle."
AND I'M JAVERT!
DO NOT FORGET MY NAME!
+Otaking Mikohani I'm Brian of Nazareth.
I'm Brian and so's my wife!
I'M THE WITCH! YOU'RE THE WORLD!
XD
To the father’s credit at the 7:30 mark, he didn’t say his son was a freak. He said that he’d lock antlers with anyone who called his son a freak.
This movie was released in the same year as Antz, Prince of Egypt, A Bug's Life, The Rugrats Movie, and Mulan, so it also had a lot of competition.
And Quest for Camelot. I know it is not the best film but even that is a masterpiece compared to this.
The Prince of Egypt and Mulan and the RUGRATS movie is the best movies ever
...did it win tho?
Why is it that it was released to theaters?! Looks like something that could be straight to video... the cheap animation... the childish music... the fanfiction-ish plot... Antz was also released on that month so it most likely got this movie overshadowed.
A.N. Scruggs “the prince of Egypt and Mulan and Rugrats” was the greatest cross over ever before infinity war
Also, for those who don't want to math, they pulled in _just_ over 1% of their budget in the box office.
Well......I don't know what they expected.......
On a percentage basis relative to its cost, even Disney's The Black Cauldron didn't tank that badly, and that was the film that almost killed Disney Animation.
Thank you for that😅 I’m terrible at maths
@@nialldempsey7742 When you make The Black Cauldron look more profitable, you know you messed up.
@@MovieFan1912 Yeah. But at least The Black Cauldron gained a considerable cult following, unlike this piece of crap.
About 24,197 people saw this movie in theaters. This review has more than three times that many views.
Because Phelous is actually entertaining.
now ten times more!
I'll have to give Goodtimes some credit. Blitzen's a way better father than Donner. He's actually proud of son's weird deformity and supports him, while Donner was ashamed of Rudolph and was more than ready to take him out back and shoot him. Also Blitzen's voiced by Gary Chalk which is like a plus.
I thought so too since, Santa Claus and Rudolph's dad both come off a hell of a lot better than they came off in Rankin & Bass movie. I feel like this one had some elements that didn't work (the annoying sprites and the bad characters whose irritation was rational rather than based on evilness). But it kind of made up for it by having Rudolph's struggles come off as realistic and you feel bad for him, but they fact that he had support from his dad and Santa seems like a really positive aspect of the movie since Rudolph would look up to both.
Kolbatsu well that’s just prime
nice person ≠ good character
Donner being a dick to his son added conflict to the story, wich is sorely lacking in the Good Times version.
yeah he got laughed at in that one scene in school, and that one song where everyone calls him a weirdo to wich he seems oblivious, but overall the "bullying" was very chill, and him being hated by the girl's boyfriend and getting disqualified from the race is totally his fault and not the others being dicks to him (it's bullshit that the guy who was obviously cheating won anyway, but still).
no one seems to really hate Rudolph, wich weakens the all point of the story, while the Rankin Bass special made you feel for the guy, and thus made for a more satisfying resolution at the end.
also Donner was a consistant character, while Blitzen just starts off embarassed by Rudolph, making you think they're gonna do the "daddy issues" story again, but then they immediately pull a 180, when the mother tells him that there's nothing wrong with Ruldolph, making the previous scene establishing him to be not proud of his son, completely useless now, without even adding water.
While I agree Santa in this movie was better, I feel like Donner was a bit more interesting. Donner had the right idea, but his methods just weren't very good. At least he didn't call Rudolph's nose "an accident" like Blitzen did. He even feels bad for trying to hide Rudolph's nose and even goes out into the wild to find his son and bring him home, that's dedication for ya.
Kolbatsu then what’s in your wallet if this is the case
I’m joking xd
I actually loved this movie as a child and the moment when Rudolph laughed with Slylie over his red nose was always really remarkable for me, because I realized, if you can laugh over your own mistakes, you are a lot stronger. He finally accepts it and this is something I haven't seen in another movie since. In all the other movies the characters NEED a PROOF that their mistakes are worth something in another way. And while Rudolph learns that in the end, too, he first realizes, that it's not the world's end, that you can love yourself by just laughing about your own mistakes.
That said... the German voice cast sounded better xD
And what else is really remarkable is, that this scene doesn't even look forced or something. I felt that :O
If a child truly got something out of it, I'd like to think the production team thought it was worth it. :)
That's a fine way to rationalize it! I always stuck with Slylie's advice on "It could always be worse". Because if you say it like that, you're basically admitting that you're thankful that it's not as bad as others have it. That's some really humble stuff.
I liked it as a kid too! While this is no reason to cut corners or half-arse anything, it doesn't have to be amazing quality for kids to enjoy it, and that's okay.
I wouldn't call his nose a "mistake" it's not like he asked for it or anything, it's more off laugh at yourself
So......out of THE ENTIRE MOVIE.....they got one or two scenes right
"Illegal use of a glowing red nose." If there is legislature against using glowing noses in the games, then they've been a problem in the past and have occurred in reindeer before. Doesn't that kinda ruin the "it's good to be unique" and "your special talents are what set you apart from others" morals of the Rudolph tale?
Yeah, that definitely is the inverse of an Air Bud situation.
Oh wtf! This was a Goodtimes production? I used to watch this a lot as a kid.
+GunvorPlays Nostalgia is like Playing Russian roulette.
+GunvorPlays I know right! I remember got this on video for Christmas when I was 8 years old. Never thought it was amazing, but I enjoyed it and watched it hundreds of times during the holidays. I might still have it somewhere in my old nostalgia box, I'll have to check...
I enjoyed The Christmas Tree as a child...holy crap I want a time machine to fix that.
Same here! I loved it!
Same. I liked both this and the Rankin Bass version back in the day. I gotta say though, the character designs are kinda cute imo.
Stormella, rhythmically: "I HATE SANTA. I THINK HE'S THE _WORST"_
This movie makes me want to hunt down Deers and feed them to my dogs... Kkkk
Of course he’s the worst! Santa never punished anyone who did something wrong and Stormella was literally the only person who tried to distribute punishment for any wrongdoing. Disobeying someone’s wishes even if they seem ridiculous is still wrong no matter what and so is property damage and all forms of cheating. Rudolph clearly made his nose go off on purpose and then tried to pretend it was unintentional.
Wait, so Stormella actually loved being evil, it gave her joy to do so. So when Rudolph wished her nice against her will, she's now going to live a life of misery due to that love of being bad stripped away from her. Rudolph, you are the true evil of this movie
Reminds me of 'The Never Ending Story 2" for some reason.
So basically, the Crystal Tokyo Conundrum?
Evil people are a detriment to society as a whole, they spread misery among others and get enjoyment out of it. How is it "evil" to _fix_ them? Isn't that part of what punishment is supposed to do, in a more indirect way?
Even if she was miserable as a result, how is that not justified in the face of what she would inevitably do, and probably already has done, to others, with little to no _real_ provocation? (As Phelous pointed out, she would have likely caused that storm even if random wildlife that didn't even know about the bridge ban and had nothing to do with the christmas village had crossed the bridge instead of those christmas reindeer.)
Additionally, did she seem miserable to you after she was changed? She immediately, happily, showered her penguin butler in smooches after finally realizing that he's cute/finally being able to get enjoyment out of his cuteness. Doesn't seem like a miserable existence to me.
This concept of being overly nice to bad people, and condemning acts of retribution or even reparation, has to _stop._ It's causing much more damage, to much more undeserving targets, than it prevents.
What the heck are you talking about theuncalled for.not only is it clear the original commenter was joking, but just because someone is bad doesn't mean they have no rights.
@Simple Weirdo
Go drink some juice, Jesus.
Give Rudolph telekinesis and this would turn into a furry Carrie remake for kids so fast...
+cfruge444
Wait. When did Robot Chicken give Rudolph a laser nose???
+Incidentally, I think Johnny Bravo might have done that joke first.
There all gonna laugh at you
Cool.
I would love to watch that movie.
22:34 The funny thing is, Rankin-Bass _also_ did a retcon that revealed that the storm didn’t occur naturally. In _Rudolph and Frosty’s Christmas in July,_ it turns out to have been caused by an ice wizard named Winterbolt. This is _also_ connected to the origins of Rudolph’s shiny nose here, as it’s revealed that the dying Lady Boreal, Queen of the Northern Lights, transferred the last of her powers to Rudolph when he was born at the same time that Winterbolt finally awoke from the deep sleep that she had put him in.
It feels like they were going for a retelling of the first story with the elements revealed later on, or at least substitutes thereof- Stormella for Winterbolt, the Sprites for Lady Boreal- though Stormella meets a _much_ happier fate than Winterbolt did.
I mean, at least it seemed a bit better than the 1998 release since the original 1964 special was actually good.
Winerbolt was a better villain.
What’s the point in saying‘Retcon’ *shudders* if they had no CHOICE but to debate him cuz the models were destroyed?
Actually, in the storybook, Stormella falls to her death.
Actually Phelous, newborn fawns _do_ squeak.
Phelous just got ACTUALLY'ED!
Wait isn’t he a reindeer?
@@gracekim25 Yes, but any newborn fawn squeaks once they're out of the womb but over time it turns into a bleat.
@@troin3925 so are baby reindeer fawns too?😅
@@gracekim25 Uh, yeah
This makes it three times that John Goodman has played Santa. This movie, A Year Without Santa Claus, and my personal favorite...Robot Santa from Futurama.
The fake endings are one of my favorite reoccuring gags from you. :)
He was robot Santa?!
+EquesTron (formerly FFF1987) Don't forget Santa in the Spongebob special
+Masdaw Galshini Yep. He was Robot Santa in the first Futurama X-Mas special. He was replaced by John DiMaggio in the second one, probably due to schedule conflicts.
+Mathieu Leader I stand corrected. Make that four times. Thanks! :)
The Year Without a Santa Claus was so bad.
I was so sure he was going to say "the time Santa and Blitzen got married"
I dunno, Ms. Prancer is kinda hot, too.
Not that this would've fixed the movie, but they could've just written the villains to be either underhanded or overreactive if they wanted to properly portray them as such. First, make the two elves confess their accidental destruction of the sculptures right away but make Stormella still refuse them passage on her bridge in the future because of this. Second, not have Rudolph and Zoey about to swap spit and instead just actually be talking when Arrow starts acting jealous; and when the reindeer games start make him pretend to be blinded by Rudolph's nose so the judges disqualify him from the rest of the games. Rankin Bass might've had weird and jerky stop motion animation, questionable and/or outdated ideas, and multiple instances of convenient writing, but at least you felt sorry for the characters you were supposed to feel sorry for and understood why they were considered misfits or outcasts. Here, the villains are shown quite clearly to have justification for their anger.
I HATE THE OLD VERSION IN 1964
I've never understood why a glowing nose is such a horrible thing in the first place.
***** I guess there had to be something to make him an outcast but at the same time it had to be something that could save the day and make them like him.
Thinking about it not sure it's a great message to send to kids but I guess when it was made that's what they wanted. :)
Being different can always make people make fun of you or even hate you and it does not matter if its something big or something small that should not matter at all.
CyberLance26 I know, just seems like an odd choice and as the video points out the story kind of sends a bad message, mainly that anyone who is different is a freak unless you need them then they're cool. :)
Chris McWilliams Well thats how it usually is in stuff where somebody gets hated on for being different that they always must do something big like saving somebodys life for example to be accepted instead of just being themselves and yea that kinda gives of a bad message in a way.
But being accepted only for being yourself maybe would not make very interesting or exciting storys.
CyberLance26 Granted. It's still not a very good message. :) A lot of older stuff like that tends to have messages we would probably think twice about if they were written now.
I can understand using the wish to make the storm queen nice instead of immediately ending the storm; it was more of an investment to keep her from purposely causing excessively troublesome storms in the future.
Doesn’t make it right to alter someone’s personality, he could’ve just wished for Stormella to no longer bother the North Pole
"Never Ending Story 2," any-one?
@@andrewkim9848
So she can bother someone else and spread misery amongst other populations or among her own employees?
What you have to understand is that bad people are bad (I know how obvious that sounds, dammit!). They do bad things. If they weren't, and if they didn't, they wouldn't be bad people. They always find ways to cause trouble. What's really _lost_ by making a person not-bad? And in comparison to that... what is gained in return?
Ok I get it, but I’m just asking about the ethnically questionable part of it.
And I’m also saying it’s a shit way to reform her. This is literally a situation where talking to her and convincing her to not be evil would make sense, and they don’t do that. Maybe have her and Santa talk things through and reach a deal that would leave both sides satisfied, maybe just wish for her to not bother anyone in general? What is it about wishing her good that is supposedly better over these solutions I presented?
@@andrewkim9848
Guaranteed effectiveness, guaranteed success, minimal suffering. By wishing her nice, she is now nice, deep down. Therefore, she is now happy when she can do good things, and will naturally avoid doing bad things without a magical wish blocking her from doing so even when she wants to. She will never even _want_ to do bad. By being converted to good, not only _is_ she likely to be a happier person overall, but she also now _deserves_ it for being a good person.
By trying a different solution, there would be a risk of an inferior end result, a possibility of loopholes to exploit later by the angry and still-malicious ice witch, or possibly even deadly side effects as the wish unintentionally prevents her from even talking to people to, say, buy food for example. You're trying to use soft manipulation to achieve the same result, and if that doesn't work, try to cage the problem instead of burning it out at the root.
Also, and this is important, I was not looking at alternate solutions in the initial response. I was analyzing only the solution that was already there, because to me it is good enough. So this is a different discussion than the one I was "signing up for", so to speak.
"Not with *that* nose!"
Um, why would having a different-colored nose affect flying? Rudolph lacking nostrils and sounding like his sinuses are about to explode would maybe be a bit more disconcerting? I'm not personally experienced with run-flight but it sounds like that would require some extra respiration.
That was one of the more realistic parts of the movie, unfortunately. Some people are needless are assholes.
I just found an almost-functioning Rudolph plush from Macy's yesterday at Goodwill. When I got it home, I looked at the somewhat beat-up tag and I think it's based off the Rudolph from this cartoon. Has the black-tipped ears and everything.
I have one of them, too. He actually works perfectly...Which is unfortunate because he emits the most ear-raping rendition of his theme song that you will *ever* hear.
@@graphitetailgrace3870 you gotta film that thing murdering your ears, man
I agree with Whoppi Elsa what kind of wish is that?
A "Anna" wish.
I saw the Snow Queen 2012 movie. It makes Frozen feel worse after it took what that movie had before it. There was troll in movie who can turn into a polar bear to help his new allies when the rock trolls in Frozen would make fun throwing and rolling objects.
@@fenrir-art4742 mate Frozen was a LOOSE adaptation of the snow Queen. Look things up, you have the INTERNET, dummy🤦♀️ people like you who accuse people of stealing without research annoy me
@@fenrir-art4742 also how do you people not know The snow Queen is the inspiration and the very thing it loosely adapted 🤦♀️everyone should know
So I found a picture of my boyfriend when he was a little kiddo sitting in a Christmas picture with THIS VERSION OF RUDOLPH. I showed it to him and we both had a good laugh at how crazy that is.
Zoe: There's no reason to be jealous, we're just friends.
Rudolph: Mmm, no. I think we should be enemies.
Fox: He just saved ya' life...from the danger he put you in. Now *you* owe him a wish.
Elsewhere...
Vegeta: Dammit, Nappa! With the Namek d- _in another dimension_, the dragon balls won't work!
Nappa: It's okay! On Earth, you can just push blue ladies off cliffs and save them to get a wish!
Vegeta: Oh. Okay, then.
Good use of previous reviews
+finalunusedname shut up dundee.
+finalunusedname God damn it, Nappa
This comment is pure f*cking gold.
finalunusedname
Rudolph: Oh my Gosh!
Beauty's father: Golly Gosh!
King Lion: MAH GOD!
I still don't understand why Rudolph's nose is always round. Shouldn't it be nose-shaped like the rest of the reindeer? Maybe they should check for tumors?
It's swollen with bioluminescent cells and bioluminescent chemical-fuel to power the light.
Well @koopaKontroller in the original short in 1948 was round. And a round red nose that glows would produce more light instead of a nose shaped nose.
Headcanon: Rudolph's nose was caused by a freak incident regarding a powerful solar storm. As long as his parents were anywhere close to the north _magnetic_ pole, that could've really messed him up. Hid DNA would be no match for ionized solar particles.
One flaw: how could it have mutated Rudolph but not his parents?
To be honest, a reindeer’s nose shouldn’t even be shaped like ANY of the reindeer noses in cartoons :D since their noses are more similar to horses’ muzzles
Wait🤔 the sing never mentions a ROUND shiny nose😅
It's really kind of hilarious that they didn't even bother looking up what a proper reindeer looks like and went with a completely different species entirely. Looks like a red deer or something, lol!
A _lot_ of American Christmas productions do this. I understand that kids in the U.S. might be more familiar with red deer or mule deer, but they aren't reindeer just because you say so!
Add to the fact that both genders have antlers and the males loose their antlers in the winter. Puts this movie in a whole new light.
To be fair, the original stopmotion one made the same mistake.
Santa's Reindeer are either girls or geldings :)
cfruge444
I think reindeer can be adorable! I have a feeling that they didn't know how to do a glowing red nose with reindeer because their noses blend into the rest of their face while white tail deer have these sort of button noses.
SORRY, THE DECISION IS MEGAFINAL!
Penguins are from the SOUTH pole, movie!
Also, whats with so many portrayals of Santa's reindeer looking more like red deer or mule deer? Reindeer are more grey and the females usually have antlers!
Funny thing you mentioned antlers, because reindeer are the only deer were both sexes have antlers, however they would eventually shed them off to grow new ones, the males actually shed them off around Christmas time, and the females keep them at that time to protect their young. So all of santa's are ether all female, or I guess you can call it Santas Magic.
Brandon Lyon
Well, like I said, the American adaptations of most things with Santa's reindeer don't have what you could _actually_ call reindeer for some reason. So, it's less that they're all female and more that Santa has the wrong kind of deer for his climate.
I was taught that penguins live in the south pole instead of the north pole as far back as at least KINDERGARTEN! So anyone down here can shove that "it's for kids," bullshit straight back up their ass!
Maybe the butler is originally from the antarctic regions, and was flown in by Stormella?
That, or they just didn't know or care.
Still, he's the only penguin in the movie, right? So it's plausible, right?
Mmmm maybe it’s because the red nose would be hard to do on an actual reindeer
"Did they confuse a Reindeer for a mouse?"... Hmmm very possible Phelan, given they also confused a Reindeer for a deer. Yet Phelan doing more Christmas reviews? You spoil me!
I'm pretty sure "doefriend" was the most creative thing in this movie.
Honestly though, Goodtimes is one of the BETTER straight to VHS animation companies from the time.
That is quite sad
+Assiman it's all about perspective: on one hand, the market was sadly weak. On the other hand, good animation companies had higher goasl than straight to vhs
Fun fact: VHS tapes of this movie are extremely common at my local thrift store!
Really? My thrift store seems to be the place where copies of Bridesmaids and the book version of What to Expect When Expecting go.
Imagine if Dingo Pictures ever reached out to the big screen with one of their movies...
I think the "Red Nose" film that Phelous covered in Christmas 2021 might be the closest thing we'd ever get to a Dingo Pictures adaptation of Rudolph. Except it's so much slower in pace that it makes me think that "Red Nose" film was the result of both GoodTimes Rudolph adaptations having been infected by African trypanosomiasis (a.k.a. the sleeping sickness). In this case, GoodTimes' version of Rudolph has died of it, and now the North Pole has to go under quarantine.
If I were to name the moment of this film that really got under my skin, it's when Rudolph wishes for the Snow Queen to turn good. It's like, oh yeah, natural character development? Wouldn't want that! Let's just force her to turn good! Great message for the kids!
Stormella wasn’t even really evil to begin with! She just seemed so cold and distant because everyone kept calling her “mean” and talking smack about her, her property was destroyed and she wasn’t allowed to get any compensation for it or even justice, and she never tortured anyone for fun, and she always kept her word. I mean yeah she may have kept Zoey captive but look at the size of her prison! There’s a cave I the background that looks rather deep, Zoey is inside where it is nice and warm, and she has full Mobility inside her prison. Stormella even explains what Zoey did wrong and then doesn’t do anything else to her! Zoey walked across that bridge on her free will and wasn’t tricked into doing it either unlike other movies where someone ends up doing something wrong. Scar tricked Simba into luring Mufasa to his death, Maleficent entranced Aurora to touch the spindle on the spinning wheel, and Lady Tremaine actually uses words to get her daughters to rip apart Cinderella’s dress. Stormella did nothing shady and did explain that there would be consequences if anyone in town had used the bridge as a result of her being denied the chance to get justice for her property damages and punish those who were responsible for it. She had every right to deny usage of the bridge as t was literally the only way she could make sure no one damaged any more of her property.
Rudolph's voiced by Kathleen Barr.
"BEHOLD, the GREAT and POWERFUL, _RRRRED NOSE_!" *fanfare*
Rudolph voice: *Dorks*
The fact her IMDB profile picture was Trixie makes this even funnier
I remember when I was in elementary school, it was the last day before Christmas break and we were having a Christmas party. The teacher played this movie and we watched while eating popcorn and drinking hot chocolate.
Pretty much the same thing happened to me! This was my first exposure to this movie.
Darn! I actually had this on VHS as a kid.
Still much better than the other one. That 3D atrocity, the Island of Misfit Toys from 2001.
+ThePreciseClimber Oh I remember that one too! That I actually had on VHS!
+Wrath's Attack Really?! WTF is up with GTE doing two Rudolph movies?! I guess it fits their MO. Taking some previously established children's character (Alice, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty & the Beast or in this case Rudolph) and making an easy cash in film about them so that they don't have to come up with anything original.
Jesus.... Don't remind me about that... thing.
1Kenny30 Too late, Phelous already reviewed that one as well! LoL
And another movie that forgets that FEMALE REINDEER HAVE ANTLERS!
@jbiehlable that film is still pretty mediocre, another film that also gets this right with female reindeer having antlers is “The Flight before Christmas” or “Niko for the stars” if your in Europe, it’s also a bit more scientifically accurate with the reindeer living in ice forest instead of a frozen ice waste land. Also it does mention most baby reindeer are born in spring (since the film is about Niko a young reindeer whose father is in Santa’s flying forces but he doesn’t know who he was since his father didn’t know Niko would be born that next spring) from what I heard the film is alright, and it’s also a film from Europe
@jbiehlable yea
@jbiehlable eh idk, I just stick the rankinbas film
EVERY SINGLE CHRISTMAS MOVIE PRETENDS REINDEER ARE RED DEER! AAAAAAAAH!
oh do they?
Wait, this was made by Goodtimes? I remeber watching this all the time as a kid.
Me too
+Armin Reindl Same here and I must confess until I saw this review I thought the song "Simply having a wonderful Christmas time" was originally from this movie. So for years I thought "well that movie gave us something" then I realized it wasn't from this film and I was like "..........oh"
Wait...THEY HAD PAUL MCCARTNEY'S *WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS TIME* IN THERE?!
HOW? WHY?
+elinfini 10 million budget
to make their forgettable soundtrack memorable instead of spending more money on improving the animation. Making this scene even worse is the laziness of the animation displayed in the scene. With lips that do not syinc and the tape used to glue together the backgrounds.
11:10 🎵 All the other kids with the pumped up hooves better run better run, faster than my nose 🎵
Rudolph didn't cheat in the race, his nose lit up by accident when he got upset.
18:20 - 18:26 Must've took writing lesson from the Max Fleischer Rudolph cartoon. Pen between the hooves.
Oh gosh! I just noticed you inserted Megaman's use of 'MEGA' into some of the elves' lines! I'm cracking up right now! Too bad it's Sunday. I'd be cracking up even harder tomorrow!
A Christmas film released in October...before Halloween...
My question is, when it was discovered that they weren't going to be able to secure a December release for their most expensive project ever, who the fuck decided to release it in theaters anyway, instead of waiting a month or two for the Christmas shopping season to kick in and releasing it straight to video?! The whole point of straight to video is that your audience doesn't have a chance to see how crap the film is first! Heck, even the many, many people who didn't buy a ticket probably saw it in the video shop and thought, "Wait, wasn't that the Christmas movie that couldn't even get released at Christmas? I'm a cheap parent, but I'm not THAT cheap."
All these talk about incorrect reindeer in the comments got me thinking... Tfw Alpha And Omega actually has correct reindeer anatomy. Just let that sink in
I actually liked the first Alpha and Omega, but the sequels do suck, I will give you that
Oh boy😅
"You're *mega* banned!"
When I was watching this movie on a website, he didn’t say “mega”.
@@BigBadBuzzard
And once again I am... not exactly _forced,_ but motivated by external forces to explain a joke... *sigh*
It seems that one particular elf shares a voice actor with "Megagreen" (the version of Mega Man from Captain N: The Game Master). Megagreen was infamous for his annoying habit of saying "mega" at least three times every sentence (this may or may not be slight exaggeration). Phelous inserted the "mega"s to make fun of that.
Scott McNeil should have at least been a chair in this...
🤣wow
Holy crap I remember this movie. I never realized it was a Goodtimes movie! Explains so much...
+botOxymoron I originally thought it was a made for TV movie given how cheap and not very good it was.
i remember when i owned this movie on video.
@@maldon3659 me too I used to have it on tape
I watched it in kindergarten over a decade ago, and I have been thinking about it and trying to find it since.
YOU'RE MEGABANNED FROM THE REST OF THE GAMES!
Kathleen Barr? Andrea Libman? Holy hell, didn't expect them to be involved with these guys. It's a living, though, so understandable.
Gotta start somewhere.
Animation companies nowadays seem to put a lot of emphasis on hiring big-names, far more often than having actual voice actors. I get concerned when such names are prioritised more than say, having a decent story and characters.
I feel the exact same way. Just because someone is popular or can sing well, doesn't mean they can act.
The Mario Bros. movie is coming to mind.
It really got worse after the release and success of the first shrek film.
I saw this when i was young... It was great when i was 7 X'D
Same
yup that's exactly how it was for me
Shanna Edenia We all had good memories of this when we were kids... Too bad it sucks now that we're adults... And it's even worse when you realize that this was released in theaters.
Why is there a rule specifically against glowing red noses?
It's a rule against being _different._ Because idiots are terrified of anything that strays even slightly from the norm.
Not really a rule.
I think that was the movie's attempt at a joke.
um probally to stop cheating...
I'm surprised that Phelous didn't realize the reason why Slyly left his cave, was because of an avalanche that nearly buried him and Rudolph.
In fact, I'm even more surprised that he missed the chance to do a death joke about those fox ladies being buried alive.
just looking at Stormella, I'd imagine her sounding like Pat Carroll
Unfortunately, this isn't the only Rudolph movie that Goodtimes and Golden Books tried to cash in on. Ever heard of the CGI "Rudolph and the Island of Misfit Toys"? Yep. Goodtimes Entertainment attempting CGI...
It's as awful as it sounds.
And that one is a follow up to the RB special
I heard about it with Phelous' review... hold me ;_;
+Leo Corbett late 80s were the infancy of cgi
+Harold P. Penisman Hey Harold you got any free drugs I am gonna need it to get through this review.
+Rin Aldrin We all do, Rin. We all do.
Honestly, this would not have been bad as a home video. It isn't horrific, especially compared to other things you have reviewed. But definitely should not have been in theaters. And they should not have wasted Eric Idle!!
Or anyone else.
I think the movie got its money back from the home release. I know plenty who owned this along with the RB ver.
Indeed The fox was going to orgionally be voiced by Scott Mcneill(he even recorded most of his lines) but goodtimes replaced him with Idle.
That Charlie Brown depression theme gets me every time. I need to get that for a ring tone.
Eric Idle and Tim Curry have weird thing for starring in terrible animated movies.
+Clay3613 wanting money in exchange of low effort is not weird
+alucardyoici No. It's just infuriating and depressing to see how a dream from a few people, can be snuffed out and tainted by the hands of others. Or at least, that's pretty much what it's like with the triple A gaming market. >sigh< God knows what'll happen if the movie industry starts stooping to as big of lows as the game industry has.
retrogamelover2012 sorry want me to play violin? oh no actor and game developper don't want to wait 10 years to get a paycheck
***** Ah blow me! I'd rather have a reality, where these sorts of media are treated with respect, rather than have them essentially be so bland, repetitive, insulting and just out-right STOCK, that only the dimmest of simpletons would find something substantial in them, 'cause they're such GOOD little neophobic sheep who don't want change, would treat anything new by clubbing it into dust, and due to their unhealthy amount of consumerism, essentially make the biggest of corporate scumbags the "Mafioso" of the entire god damn media industry!!
Why don't you put THAT in your pipe and smoke it???
And Whoopi Goldberg. It happens so often, you forget how funny they really are.
This year, as either a Creepypasta or a sketch in a review, Phelous should do "Old Man Saves Christmas" a.k.a. Old Man RUINS Christmas. Filling in for Santa Claus, he has to deliver presents around the world. Along the way, he accidentally drops some in the ocean (they're completely useless now), keeps some for himself, or gives them to the wrong people. Ho Ho Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. There's a Golden Films Christmas elf movie, so if Phelous reviews that this year, he could do Old Man Ruins Christmas as an aside.
"They're shooting at me, I must have been expected!" :P
Also instead of eating cookies he eats the plate they're on
He should make it happen this December
As to why Richard Simmons was involved, Goodtimes published his workout tapes at the time, so that probably has something to do with it.
Makes sense
I remember seeing this movie being falsely advertised as "Bambi 2" on it's VHS cover in some stores.
Really? "The Island of Misfit Toys" being called "Rudolph 2" was crazy enough!
@@Gilby1385 wrong video 😂
...I think I watched this in school once. Either that or some other non-stop-motion animated adaptation of Rudolph.
CaptainJZH was it computer animated
I watched this when I was at Kindergarden for the first time. It's one of my earliest memories.
DEBBIE REYNOLDS?! actual legend was linked to this?!
The Newhart finale clip still makes me laugh
"No one who ever goes in those catacombs ever comes out alive!"
*Professor Farnsworth has entered the chat*
The one male multiple female foxes living together thing is how it works in real life. Not sure about four, but there is always more than one female in a burrow that help each other in rearing the kits. Once the kits are old enough to fend for themselves everyone split up to live on their own until next mating season.
Stormella makes The Ice King from "Adventure Time" look like a tragic, William Shakespeare character in comparison.
From what I've heard at least, his backstory leads to him nowadays suffering from something that serves as an allegory to Alzheimers.
nerdsman567
I've heard that he pretty much _is_ a tragic Shakespearean villain these days- never seen the show so I don't know that much about him, but what I've heard is pretty tragic.
+nerdman567
That's because Ice King kind of is.
AT Productions she’s not tragic though
N P She almost kills her sister by accident and is forced into hiding away from the world for most of her life by her parents and finally is forced to take on responsibilities she’s not ready for when they die unexpectedly. That’s pretty tragic
15:20 i find that scene funny cause it proves rudolph is not the first reindeer to have a glowing red nose
Watching this review of Rudolph The Red Nose Reindeer (1998) has now become my new christmas tradition. Thank You Phelous!
Whoever owns the rights to this needs to release the scott mc niel cut.
"And do you recall the most famous reindeer of all?"🙂
Me: " Yep, his name is Mitch. He buys you booze, pot, and Taco Bell for you and will kick bullies in the balls!!!"😁
one of the few pluses I found with this version is that Rudolph's parents and santa aren't as overbearing on Rudolph. Besides. He's got a nice crop of Cloud Strife hair coming in. Just add some gel for instant emo! also I get to make the following joke at 13:28. "It looks like that's some HARD light!" I know it's just plain wrong, but I love it anyway.
7:06 Seeing as how snow is frozen water, Rudolph has unintentionally rendered Blitzen completely useless.
The only reason I remember this movie is because as a kid I remember getting a toy from Wendy’s in their “kid’s Meal” when they promoted this movie. I remember getting Rudolph and when you pushed a button on his back, his nose “lit” up. But I never saw the movie until this review.
🍸🤔🍸
Now you need to review the CG one. Yes Goodtimes made a CG RUDOLPH MOVIE
+Nintendo Kid
tell me it's foodfight quality CG
+ColeVecsion It's worse. However they managed to get Richard Dreyfuss, Jamie Lee Curtis and Rick Moranis on board.
+Nintendo Kid He has. It's on his website and probably will be posted on RUclips soon.
*****
oh...oh dear...allright, time to go the phelous's website, i need to see this abomination for myself
22:36: "I wish... for you to have a heart!"
"Drat, I've been foiled by the Power of Love!"
tbh i still love this movie. though even as a kid i was always miffed by how there was a song Literally Every 5 Minutes. Also Rudolph sounds like ash ketchum
Did you know that Mitzi, and plenty of other female characters are voiced by Debbie Reynolds who also voice acted in the 1970's animated Hanna-Barbera film "Charlotte's Web" as Charlotte herself.
I liked this movie as a kid. Didn't know it was made by Goodtimes and never knew Kathleen Barr voiced Rudolph.
Also Eric Idle's "Brooklyn" accent is fucking weird. Why make him do that? He's an English actor, if you wanted to go an urban route why not just make him talk cockney? I guess I am expecting too much from the Goodtimes people aren't I?
Shannihilator cause it's a good times movie
what do you expect from them
Shannihilator so forcing actors to change their accent was somehow necesary
@@alanthevideomaker646 no 😅
How about allow him to use his regular accent?
Also not everyone here is a Londoner!!! Idiot!
I saw this abominable VHS at home, and decided to try and find a review of it. I was not disappointed.
This movie was actually my childhood, I watched it very often during christmas time every year, seeing these scenes again after over 15 years made me very nostalgic
i been collecting all the dubs of the movie
I liked this movie so much as a kid, that mom had to make multiple VHS copies. Like she had to buy an original, then dub it onto blank tapes. Since I kept wearing them out, and it went on for years until VHS was obsolete. I still own one of the many dubbed VHS copies, and there's so many static lines in the video. Lol
@@sharky-mn3tv when i mean dub i mean different languages
@@Razer3073 This is going to sound weird, and you probably won't believe it. I didn't see your comment, and I thought I was replying to the Lucy person. It's also a pure coincidence that we both used the word ''dub.'' I really didn't see your comment, until you replied back and I checked. I also didn't know this movie was dubbed in other countries... very interesting.
@@sharky-mn3tv oh lol,yeah i'm pretty amazed how much gt tryed to push the movie since most of the dubs have all the songs dubbed as well
Headlights coulda put these on years ago…
I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s figured that out
"Now it's time for REINDEER GAMES - oh, fuck off" I laughed so hard
Fun fact, when you convert it from yen to US currency, grave of the fireflies and my neighbor Totoro had less budget then this.
2015 seems to be the year I started turning away from The Nostalgia Critic, and towards Phelous. His skewering of bad horror films was decent, and my friend and I got big laughs out of 'The Pooh Train' review...though the animated reviews are inspiring me to consider doing a few of my own.
Seriously, Phelous has made me eager to skewer Rankin-Bass' 'Twas the Night Before Christmas.' That short needs it badly!
+80MWH
Agreed! The Nostalgia Critic has just been plain _bad_ for at least the last year to the point that I've pretty much given up on him. On the other hand I think Phelous is getting _better_. While I did like his horror movie reviews (though they could sometimes be a little boring, mostly because of bad horror movies having the same damn tropes all the time), I'm glad he's been mixing it up and doing more animated reviews over the last few years because I feel like that's where he really shines.
+80MWH
The reason why I started doing my own shit was mostly because of Phelous.
Been a long timer watcher (since his first video on TGWTG), but it's the cartoon reviews that really inspired me.
Thanksssssss
+80MWH How about the The other good times entertainment Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer special.This time a sequel to the rankin bass special!
+80MWH It helps a LOT that the Nostalgia Critic has deviated far from actually doing "funny reviews" of movies to even such an extent that two of his recent videos weren't even actual reviews (One was a soap box and another is him musing).
+Master Markus I don't think Phelos being more enjoyable is linked so much with him getting better, and he is of course, but rather I actually think it is BECAUSE he is getting away from horror movies. If you rewatch his Hostel reviews he slowly gets more and more bitter and the reviews get less and less enjoyable to sit through. He is much better when he is clearly enjoying himself.
Phelous' dubs on the cartoon are what gives the hilarity of his reviews a cut above the hilarity of other reviews
Aaah, Good times. Making my childhood embarassing again. But one thing I have to disagree. Rudolf didn't cheatd during the games. He didn't had control of his nose, thus making it subconscious activation.
Rest in peace, Richard Simmons.
Are you OK?
I loved this movie as a kid. :(
A goodtimes review without old man? Its completely useless now.
Boobalopbop He appears at the end. If you want to see a GoodTimes movie review without him, Phelous' GoodTimes Little Mermaid lacks the old man
*Stormella falls* "No wait, I can see her parachute! She's okay!"
Too many awesome moments to name! Phelous, you're a genius!
Am i the only one who thinks that Stormella looks like what happens when you fuse Elsa and Ursula together?(This is why you don't just use Polymerization willy-nilly like that.)
P.S. Do Ocean studios voice actors work for peanuts to agree to work on low-budget productions like this?
+TheArceusftw you get paid for a job you can half ass. that's a neat deal when job you want are not available
This could very well be the work of the dark and dreaded...Super Polymerization!