There must have been a wooden age before the stone age, no? It's probably just all lost. I'm sure people did amazing stuff out of wood before they made tools that could shape stone so well.
Gotta agree with the other comment here, civilisation is definitely more rigidly defined than culture. Any group of humans living with one another is going to create a culture of some sort, it's just a natural way of relating to other beings you live around.
Yours is the only channel that films professionally to give us TIME TO SEE each item or landscape. Thankyou for your literate narration and excellent film-making
Watch time and run time are real factors with the algorithm- it is awesome that the time is taken in these videoed: but just pause on other creators videos if you want to examine an image.
From the USA, I retired in Turkey 20 years ago. Your videos are excellent. You are the only narrator of these ancient Turkish sites who pronounces the Turkish words correctly. I'm looking forward to more from you. Teşekkür ederim. David PS: I can't find the link to My Heritage.
The Gobekli and Karahan stuff makes me feel confident that we will keep finding older sites like this. Maybe just off the coasts or just deeply buried like these were.
@@mrbaab5932They are found inland because dryer climates are more common inland and preserve stone construction. Also people are more likely to build with stone when there are fewer trees. Wet climates destroy artifacts rapidly, but like today, wet climates would of had larger populations. Thus we are only seeing that which was preserved and not the vastness that actually existed.
This is as incredible as the Gobekle Tepe doc! Every time I learn something new about the history of our civilization, I feel closer to humanity. Your narration gives life to a long lifeless people in our ancient past. It’s like meeting the ancestors of our ancestors. If only we all as the flame bearers of the past could put our differences aside for but a moment, we might hear what our history is trying to tell us. We wouldn’t keep each other from learning the truth of our beginnings. It is adventurers and investigators such as yourself that will keep our link to the past strong and available to all mankind. Your efforts and your incredibly hard work do not go unappreciated or unnoticed!
It's a tragedy that every time humans find some new religion, they feel like they have to utterly destroy all the accumulated wisdom that came before them. The whole "conquering" mentality has probably kept humanity from evolving more than anything else. In the end you don't conquer anything - you just throw humanity back into the dark ages again. And again, and again. And we're getting ready to do it again over the next 50 years or so. For all of our conceited intelligence, we still don't get it. We're still going to cause our own downfall.
"It is adventurers and investigators such as yourself..." really?? Not archeologist who often spend their lifetimes researching, finding , digging, sifting through tons of soil for artefacts ?? No, not them, just youtubers, streamers etc, plagiarizing and distorting others work for views and ad revenue. Just sad.
@@AG-ig8ufyou’re aware that “scientific communicator” is in fact a role within the scientific community, right? That would include individuals like Sagan, Attenborough and Goodall. Or were they plagiarists too? Is PBS?
What you have created here, this video, is the greatest thing to come out of the internet and you tube era. If I were 10 years old today and had access to works of creative brilliance like this... I was 15 minutes into this video when I realized it was going to go on for almost two HOURS!!! just incredible. I feel like if this were a high budget BBC or PBS production, you would not have gotten to see the road approaching the site, and gotten that sense of personal connection with the discussion of the people who recently lived nearby. And so much meaning comes from seeing these things and knowing more completely about such an amazing place. Anyhow - I say thank you so much for bringing this to us - and again, this piece of creative work is truly the greatest example of what we have done as a culture with the technology of the internet.
And the more ancient ones like these (>10,000 BCE) were more into masculine phallic symbols. Not until 7000 BCE did the feminine fertility goddess figures begin to show up.
No archeologist said that, in fact they said exact opposite, that there should be similar sites around. Hence why they looked and found Karahantepe, and will find more. Maybe stop getting disinformation from youtube videos, and for once, ONCE, try to listen/watch what real scientists say ?? You know, actual people who researched, found, dug up, dated, classified these sites ??
Pete, you are simply put; Brilliant. I don't have an accurate count on how often I've watched your 'sea peoples' documentary, since it's just so much more in depth than anything remotely close, even by official channels. Keep up the good work, and hope you're getting enough to scrape by from patrons, because you do top actual, respected, TV channels like bbc in fact checking and deep dive analysis. Love this video, first real video I've found on youtube on Karahan Tepe. Just... Brilliant. Wish you all the best, regards from Iceland, Addi.
Hi. I'm from Mexico and have been really interested on these recently investigated places. Last year my favorite museum in the country, the National Museum of the World Cultures opened a permanent exposition about Turkiye and includes réplicas of Gobekli Tepe and other sites. I was very excited when I heard the news
When I see something like Karahan and Gobekli Tepe it occurs to me that these were not their 1st attempts so to speak. It looks to me that whoever built them already had the design and methods needed perfected... which would mean that there are even older sites yet to be found.
@@Dusty_Den I can't help but wonder who would find who stranger. Those people if they somehow encountered modern people,or vice versa? It's interesting (for me anyway) to wonder about. With no real knowledge of them and no way of knowing if they wondered about far in the future humans, we'll never know. Forget any aliens, I'd rather encounter those humans lost in the mist of time.
Look up Boncuklu Tarla, Mureybet, and Tell Qaramel for some sites in the region that are slightly older than Karahan Tepe and Gobekli Tepe. If you want something that is a lot older, you can look up Ohalo 2 for a settlement that is twice as old as Gobekli Tepe. The problem is that if you get much older than Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe they were using wood as the main building material rather than stone. Unless there were some exceptional circumstances (like what happened at Ohalo 2), wood isn't going to stay preserved for 12,000+ years and has long since rotted away.
@@toddkloos3965 Thank you for the recommendation(s). I'm always looking to learn about places that are little known,at least little known to myself. 95% of RUclips is truly a cesspool, but the remaining 5% consists of things worth the time. Whether about ancient times or deep space, I'm all in. Enough of my blathering, thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
you certainly aren’t familiar with the work of Pete Kelly to assume this has an AI feel. He’s got an encyclopedic knowledge one step short of Al: that’s because he’s human and does so much personal hands on work. Congrats, Pete. The music was also so brilliant!
No super distracting musics and frequencies. I can hear those adjectating frequencies in horror films and so many other videos. Subliminal interference. I hate that.
I live on the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia, Canada. There are artifacts in our local museum of indigenous peoples dating back 13,000 years. These would as old or older than those of Karahan Tepe. Truly amazing artifacts just a few km from where I live.
That's cool, but stone tools have been found up to a million years old or so.. it's the fact that these temples are impressively large and elaborate structures from a time when most people led very basic lives, that is especially surprising
If all civilizations were wiped out would people thousands of years from now think Africa was the most advanced nation? They’re the ones whose climate is most conducive for preservation so most artifacts would likely be found there.
@KHH595 It would be impossible to miss our modern world-spanning civilization in any future archaeology. This is a fictional example but take Fallout for instance: it's usually set over 200 years in the future after a nuclear apocalypse, but there are still cities of broken skyscrapers, neighborhoods filled with empty houses, sports stadiums standing quietly. A decent example is the show "After Humans" (I think that's the name). It has some pretty realistic takes on how long our modern world would take to decay completely and even then, there are still huge human constructions holding off against the elements
Pete, you make the most thoughtful and inspiring videos. I've been subscribed for a long time but this one gets a patreon subscription for as long as I can. Keep us thinking; keep moving us to look at these things from different perspectives and compare them, not only to others of that time but to our own times. Thank you for your hard work and dedication; it is very important work and very much appreciated.
Funny how none of these supposed "experts" ever think of the obvious. It's a if they never read a book that wasn't funded by a university or been part of a community outside of elitism. Half man half beast, scary a joke. More likely hunters dressing like that which they want to get closer to so they can kill it. Or wearing a leopard skin while gathering berries so a leopard wouldn't attack its own. Just like hikers today wear hats with cat eyes on the back so big cats won't attack from behind. It could also represent the leaders of certain things. A man being seen as being a strong as a bear. Another as fast as a leopard. Another jumpy like a heron. I still go with men dressing to imitate the heron to attack animals for hunting.
@@ellen4956 So refreshing having these well thought out long form episodes rather than the same old 12 minutes episodes that touches on what most archeologically inclined people already know.
As a documentary maker who visited the site 2 years ago and as a friend of the lead excavator I could easily say that this is the best Karahantepe video. Doesn’t come to bold conclusions however gives sufficient content about the site by showing the Urfa museum artwork and good amount od onsite footage together with great narration.
Love, and look forward to your work, every time. I especially love how you do list all of your references in the info section, show the books/historians you are referencing, and give multiple points of view.
Given that gobekli was buried by someone knowing it needed to be protected, I say they wanted to preserve it as evidence a pole shift occurred. Think of all the megalithic structures around the globe, are they aligned to the north pole or other celestial? try using ai program and ask it to extrapolate burmuda triangle as north pole and determine if gobekli aligns with stars
To think that this is only the beginning of an incredible journey back in time is amazing. It really is only a matter of time before we find the first example of a structure or town.
The fact that we are talking about a civilization that would have been ancient to the Old Kingdom of Ancient Egypt absolutely blows my mind. My math might be off, but this civilization is older to the ancient Egyptians than the Ancient Egyptians (Old Kingdom) are to us! 🤯 Please correct me if I'm dumb and wrong as I'm a bit toasted right now 😂
I don't think they meant spreadsheets literally. More figuratively. You are right choosing not to take time to go to the Forrest or some place of natur.e@@davidnewland2461
Well done. We visited Karahan Tepe & Göbekli 2 yrs ago and will be returning in June to see a few of the surrounding sites, Harbetsuvan Tepesi, Kurt Tepe, Sefer Tepe, Tashitepe, and further East to Boncuklu Tarla. Any other sites you would recommend? Looking forward to more of your videos
Fantastic video, with so much indepth analysis. Living in Istanbul for a number of years, we managed to visit Göbekli Tepe a couple of years ago, also visiting the fantastic Șanliurfa and Gaziantep museums, plus the famous beehive houses at Harran, near the Syrian border. It was a fantastic experience and now Karahan Tepe is next on the list.
The many ancient underground communities found in and around central Turkey are totally amazing to say the least. Having been lived in and abandoned many times by so many different cultures of peoples down through time, then forgotten altogether with little or no inkling of who originally created those incredible sub surface habitats.With archeology & history in mind, you are very fortunate to live in that area of Eurasia, That part of the planet holds so many layers of history to uncover, embrace, consume & attempt to digest.At a minimal a lifetime of exploration would barely scratch the surface.
@@westho7314 Yes indeed, there are so many places to see that in 15 years here we have only scratched a small part of the surface. Thank you for the fantastic comment :)
I must have been living under a rock for the past decades 😢 I'm very familiar with, and have watched countless documentaries about, Gobekli but this is the first time I've ever heard of Karahan 😳 How? How have I missed this completely? Thank you so much for this documentary ❤️ Thrilling.
I feel like many think “hunter, gatherers” means nomadic. It doesn’t. Hunter, gather means just that. They hunt and gather. You can settle without farming animals and plants. There are still groups that live in settlements but hunt and gather for their meal 20:21
Honest question, do you know of any societies that *only* hunt and gather, yet are entirely settled? I thought that the low/variable density of hunting/gathering resources would make that difficult. FWIW nomadic pastoralists were very common, and nomads in recorded history usually practiced *some* degree of agriculture.
@DragonflyB-tn7pq Typically not enough food can be generated through hunting and gathering to support specializations in arts and engineering without moving. It may be that this area was so rich in animals and other wild food sources that it could support that without animal husbandry and farming, but that would make it a HIGHLY desirable area that would require coordinated defenses.
@ I’m not saying they live an easy life or that it’s common. I know it’s a very hard life and those groups are NOT common. Just stating that it is something that occurs
I really love your video editing and music/voice. Its not only satisfying my knowledge appetite, it is really relaxing, meditative, and soothing! Best kind of history video editing love it!
Ive been following videos on the continuing excavations at Göbekli Tepe. They have found, as you suggested, definite evidence of roof beams over one of the communal areas. Also the portal stones as it seems access was through the roof. Also they have started excavating the huge area of domestic buildings surrounding the site. Plus it seems they have identified more potential sites. Im only annoyed that im 76 instead of 16 as I wont see most of what's there. 😂😂
Hi Pete thanks for yet again another brilliant documentary. Can't express my gratitude for your work enough I really enjoy watching your documentaries over and over 😊
One could spend 3 lifetimes exploring and excavating and still never really know what took place on and in these amazing places. I would give almost anything to be able to poke around for a bit. Great video! I enjoy all of them and appreciate all your hard work in bringing them to us.
Fuck Handcock and Joe Rogan - they are both one of the reasons why our society has so much misinformation on our history - and of course that stupid show Ancient Civilizations (Lost Technology bullshit).
Your background music choices have always been great, but I think this time you nailed it beautifully! The music around the Stonehenge introduction was just perfect
I was really appreciating that myself. It seemed like the music was composed very specifically for this project.....and the volume levels faded in and out perfectly. There should be awards for this kind of work!
@@bjrnmagnusson5351 I definately can see how having only his illustrious narrative voice would be great in its own right. Id be curious to hear that in a future video maybe? In the meantime you cannot deny that the music itself sets a nice tone for the topic its played on. (volume variations aside)
You're hands down the best history (in this case pre-history) documentarian I've come across. Your presentations are top-notch, polished, and thorough.
Next thing we will find is that civilization probably began in prehistoric times. Meaning that it might as well started off tens of thousands of years earlier than the oldest we have found, but will not ever find out since historical records get lost over time.
I think it's well established that living in cities was established long before the invention of writing. Writing started about 3,100 BC so that's as far back as history can go, whereas Argos and Plovdiv are about 2-3000 years older. They both count as cities (depending on your definition) so they were part of a civilisation.
This spanned three thousand years. It is like expecting continuity from the bronze age to the present. Succeeding cultures would have had only the ruins of previous cultures to build on with possibly only a vague inherited tradition from the past.
@@slappy8941It's noted on old Greek letters and philosophy that the earliest ancient Egypt Priests they interacted with would make note of Civilizations that were so old as to have been forgotten.
Great video Pete! I never understood why when I worked construction, people would draw phallis's in the port a potties on the job site, I guess people have been fascinated by them for thousands of years!
It's more accurate to talk about earliest evidence of civilization, rather than beginning of the same, since older civilizations may not leave much evidence esp if they constructed with wood / bamboo in non arid type environments
I’m reminded of Indigenous Australians who integrate their totem creature with their identity, ritual, law, and culture. While Indigenous people have varying and fluid ways of identifying themselves into several groups at once, it is very common for different groups to be identified by different species in the environment.
Thank you and as An Australian we have a 50 thousand year old civilisation .All mankind is great and all civilisations worthy of study but why do we keep looking to Europe for ‘the oldest’ when we know the two oldest are in Africa and Australia? I’m not a fan by the way on the hunt for “ the oldest “ implying oldest gives some superiority value. But just wonder why we do not recognise one that is oldest and continuous
@@StarCrystal9given that a billion animals died in wildfires there a couple of years ago, maybe the indigenous people were smarter, knowing what's to their advantage. With less Civilisation thousands of years ago, people had bigger brains than us now. Civilisation tends also to be violent Europeans as recorded in modern history. Indigenous Australians could testify to that.
Fascinating! Would you consider doing a video on a detailed timeline of the Middle-East and Europe incorporating places and people's like Karahan Tepe, Doggerland, the Neanderthals, the Cucuteni, Akkad, the Beaker People, etc?
I lived in Istanbul. Turkey is a beautiful vast and culturally rich Country. Beautiful People, beautiful Country. I wish I could visit one more time in My life. I would love to see all of these places.
I have seen a flute made from a Swan bone from a cave off the Danube. It uses the same musical scale as we use today. It is dated at 40000 years old. Human culture was sophisticated a long time ago...
Seeing those stone carvings really make me want to look into stone masonry. And the leopard/face stone carving looks like its depicting an animal pouncing on the humans back
That's exactly what it is. spot on. Likely a big wolf or cat, and one of a defenseless human's worst fears being attacked from behind by a ruthless hungry beast.Something to memorialize in sculpture to teach and install fear and respect in people especially younger kids. Simple imagery had alot of power then as nowm though now the imagery is far more technical & deceiving.
One of several simply AMAZING history channels on yt.... I mean simply amazing work. Amazing BODY of work.... With all the pain being marketed these days.... channels like this one, at a stroke, give life to past present and future... profoundly excellent. 👏✌️
Damn this is good. About 10 minutes in and Im amazed. Been watching alot about Gobekli and Ive been wanting to get to this. Excellent vidoe with so much to think and study on. AWESOME
In this film it shows Professor Aubrey Burl, he came to my farm to see a stone circle we have, he came with a bus load of mature students from Aston University Birmingham from where he worked. Showed him my historic finding, a quern stone pre Roman and found about I00 yards from the remains of the stone circle. Great chat with him.
Karahan Tepe, Gobekli.Tepe, Çatal Huyuk and other similar edifications in the southeast of modern day Turkey and northwest of modern day Syria seem to Indicate that some form of Civilisation and complex society predates the development of agriculture. It's still very interesting that these places are still relatively near the earliest remains of agricultural societies and of Copper and Bronze Age civilisations like Egypt, Mesopotamia and the Levant as a whole. Something must've happened there at that time for such a quick socal and technical development. Probably very favorable climatic and geographical conditions but still, something else must've happened, I don't know what, that made people think differently.
This is bloody OUTSTANDING mate!! Excellent job! I know I speak for the thousands who've enjoyed your videos when I say THANK YOU SO MUCH for all of your very very difficult work along with the countless amount of hours you've sunken into making these documentaries for us to enjoy. You're truly a superb film maker.
There are reliefs of the Assyrian King Ashurnasirpal II in the Metropolitan Museum that shows him holding something that looks like a "handbag" from 883-849 BCE. They say it is a bucket used to sprinkle "holy water" in association with fertilizing date trees.
Seed bags, common universal vessels for transporting new nourishment and growing knowledge. Far from Felix the Cat or the mad Professors magic bag of tricks as so many looney tune fans presume,
@@westho7314 Agricultural knowledge was a big deal in the past and some of it probably looked like magic the same as metal smelting seemed magical to ancient people. Some had special knowledge and some didn't. It seems people were traveling the world and sharing new knowledge.
Totally agree, the perspective of pre-historic man in the eyes of modern man is hilarious to say the least. These so called experts need to be more objective. Maybe frame their thoughts in a context that matches early man. I would say that people who were forced to see the heartbreaking reality of the natural wild who eat and used animals probably felt like they were gaining that animals life energy. When observing wildlife it’s easy to see a magical(unknowable) fabric in their workings. Wearing its hide and body parts would be camouflage, protection from elements, show respect for that species and have that aspect of synergistic magical life energy. +50hp with leather armor 😂
@@rollercam351 not to mention that if this city existed before agriculture, it's likely it still had division of labor in a somewhat organized way. It would make sense to me to have a hunter/warrior class within this context to provide enough food and defense for this early city.
You're a great soothing narrator i can listen to you all day and i will enjoy your contents, you do your research soo good, thank you for you and your channel
My best guess would be that first civilizations formed when people learned how to store meat to last for a long time and how to make cheese in other word to preserve milk for a long period of time and those civilizations started in places with 4 seasons but where winters wouldn't be harsh like in Siberia and summers werent scorching hot and I would persume that 15k years ago in today's Turkey they had exactly that
Am I the only one who notices the stylistic similarity between the animal carvings at Tas Tepeler sites and lions and other animals depicted in Hittite art?
My good sir, my humblest of thanks for these most superbly well made videos. A subject of such importance and profoundness that its value is immeasurable. Thank you! 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
Regarding depictions of phalluses, remind yourself that most hunters were teenagers who rarely survived their mid twenties. So, just give any human male teenager some art supplies and privacy and see what is ultimately produced.
it's safe to say a culture began way before any of it's construction projects. there was a sophistication already present.
Archeology will cancel you
There must have been a wooden age before the stone age, no? It's probably just all lost. I'm sure people did amazing stuff out of wood before they made tools that could shape stone so well.
I think you're confusing culture and civilization.. you might want to look up the definition for both
Gotta agree with the other comment here, civilisation is definitely more rigidly defined than culture. Any group of humans living with one another is going to create a culture of some sort, it's just a natural way of relating to other beings you live around.
What did they shape the wood with...@@Quakez0r
Beer in the fridge. A Karahan tepe special at 18.30. Perfect Friday night.
Yes, I am old.
😂😂😂😂
I'll see your beer and raise you a Manhattan on ice.
BlackBerry brandy drizzled over vanilla ice cream will suit me just fine.
Right there with you with some Weihenstephaner.
Cheers, dude.
Yours is the only channel that films professionally to give us TIME TO SEE each item or landscape. Thankyou for your literate narration and excellent film-making
God bless you but you have no idea what you’re talking about😮 this was buried in the flood it’s so obvious.
Watch time and run time are real factors with the algorithm- it is awesome that the time is taken in these videoed: but just pause on other creators videos if you want to examine an image.
@@williamrizzo8574 its fuzzy and near impossible when its fractions of seconds!
@@TwisterTornado keep your chin up, you’ll be ok.
I agree, I love this guy. But check out "Fall of Civilizations", he has a similar excellent style.
From the USA, I retired in Turkey 20 years ago. Your videos are excellent. You are the only narrator of these ancient Turkish sites who pronounces the Turkish words correctly. I'm looking forward to more from you. Teşekkür ederim.
David
PS: I can't find the link to My Heritage.
You and Fall of Civilizations are my two favorite history podcasts. Cannot pay you high enough compliments for the work you do. Bravo. 🙏
Fall of Civilizations is my favorite. Second is Hardcore History and this is third for me.
Best compliment is money. Send them.
I farted and it stinks
The Gobekli and Karahan stuff makes me feel confident that we will keep finding older sites like this. Maybe just off the coasts or just deeply buried like these were.
Why do you say that when the Tepes prove the oldest cultures were inland?
@@mrbaab5932 not necessarily saying in that region. Just submerged coasts worldwide
Yamaguchi monument is underwater and was last above water over 10k years ago. It has not been excavated yet. @@mrbaab5932
@@mrbaab5932They are found inland because dryer climates are more common inland and preserve stone construction. Also people are more likely to build with stone when there are fewer trees. Wet climates destroy artifacts rapidly, but like today, wet climates would of had larger populations. Thus we are only seeing that which was preserved and not the vastness that actually existed.
I find them all over Google Earth. I save all my screenshots. I should make video of them all. Only one had evidence of looting.
This is as incredible as the Gobekle Tepe doc! Every time I learn something new about the history of our civilization, I feel closer to humanity. Your narration gives life to a long lifeless people in our ancient past. It’s like meeting the ancestors of our ancestors. If only we all as the flame bearers of the past could put our differences aside for but a moment, we might hear what our history is trying to tell us. We wouldn’t keep each other from learning the truth of our beginnings. It is adventurers and investigators such as yourself that will keep our link to the past strong and available to all mankind. Your efforts and your incredibly hard work do not go unappreciated or unnoticed!
Great comment! Had to screenshot 😊😊
It's a tragedy that every time humans find some new religion, they feel like they have to utterly destroy all the accumulated wisdom that came before them. The whole "conquering" mentality has probably kept humanity from evolving more than anything else. In the end you don't conquer anything - you just throw humanity back into the dark ages again. And again, and again.
And we're getting ready to do it again over the next 50 years or so.
For all of our conceited intelligence, we still don't get it.
We're still going to cause our own downfall.
"It is adventurers and investigators such as yourself..." really?? Not archeologist who often spend their lifetimes researching, finding , digging, sifting through tons of soil for artefacts ?? No, not them, just youtubers, streamers etc, plagiarizing and distorting others work for views and ad revenue. Just sad.
Pretty sure an “archeologist” is part adventurer and part investigator. Just saying…☺️
@@AG-ig8ufyou’re aware that “scientific communicator” is in fact a role within the scientific community, right? That would include individuals like Sagan, Attenborough and Goodall. Or were they plagiarists too? Is PBS?
What you have created here, this video, is the greatest thing to come out of the internet and you tube era. If I were 10 years old today and had access to works of creative brilliance like this... I was 15 minutes into this video when I realized it was going to go on for almost two HOURS!!! just incredible. I feel like if this were a high budget BBC or PBS production, you would not have gotten to see the road approaching the site, and gotten that sense of personal connection with the discussion of the people who recently lived nearby. And so much meaning comes from seeing these things and knowing more completely about such an amazing place. Anyhow - I say thank you so much for bringing this to us - and again, this piece of creative work is truly the greatest example of what we have done as a culture with the technology of the internet.
For a long time we were told that Gobekli was an anomaly. Now it’s obvious this was a HUGE civilization/culture.
And the more ancient ones like these (>10,000 BCE) were more into masculine phallic symbols. Not until 7000 BCE did the feminine fertility goddess figures begin to show up.
No archeologist said that, in fact they said exact opposite, that there should be similar sites around. Hence why they looked and found Karahantepe, and will find more. Maybe stop getting disinformation from youtube videos, and for once, ONCE, try to listen/watch what real scientists say ?? You know, actual people who researched, found, dug up, dated, classified these sites ??
@@GengoSenmon The oldest carving of a female form that we know of is from just over 40,000 years ago. Its called the Venus of Hohle Fels
@GengoSenmon actually we have female goddess statues and figurines that date back 40k years and maybe even 79k years! It’s amazing!
@@charlyreed7474 No one said they weren't. Your reading comprehension is poor. I said "more".
Pete, you are simply put; Brilliant. I don't have an accurate count on how often I've watched your 'sea peoples' documentary, since it's just so much more in depth than anything remotely close, even by official channels.
Keep up the good work, and hope you're getting enough to scrape by from patrons, because you do top actual, respected, TV channels like bbc in fact checking and deep dive analysis. Love this video, first real video I've found on youtube on Karahan Tepe. Just... Brilliant. Wish you all the best, regards from Iceland, Addi.
Hi. I'm from Mexico and have been really interested on these recently investigated places. Last year my favorite museum in the country, the National Museum of the World Cultures opened a permanent exposition about Turkiye and includes réplicas of Gobekli Tepe and other sites. I was very excited when I heard the news
When I see something like Karahan and Gobekli Tepe it occurs to me that these were not their 1st attempts so to speak. It looks to me that whoever built them already had the design and methods needed perfected... which would mean that there are even older sites yet to be found.
Maybe even right below these more successful attempts
@@Dusty_Den I can't help but wonder who would find who stranger. Those people if they somehow encountered modern people,or vice versa? It's interesting (for me anyway) to wonder about. With no real knowledge of them and no way of knowing if they wondered about far in the future humans, we'll never know. Forget any aliens, I'd rather encounter those humans lost in the mist of time.
Look up Boncuklu Tarla, Mureybet, and Tell Qaramel for some sites in the region that are slightly older than Karahan Tepe and Gobekli Tepe. If you want something that is a lot older, you can look up Ohalo 2 for a settlement that is twice as old as Gobekli Tepe.
The problem is that if you get much older than Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe they were using wood as the main building material rather than stone. Unless there were some exceptional circumstances (like what happened at Ohalo 2), wood isn't going to stay preserved for 12,000+ years and has long since rotted away.
@@toddkloos3965 Thank you for the recommendation(s). I'm always looking to learn about places that are little known,at least little known to myself. 95% of RUclips is truly a cesspool, but the remaining 5% consists of things worth the time. Whether about ancient times or deep space, I'm all in. Enough of my blathering, thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
There will always be places found older than those already known. In history, there is always something older than what is consideret the oldest.
You put an unbelievable amount of effort into your videos.
They are created at an extremely high level.
Glad you like them. Thanks very much. Plenty more on the way!
Agreed - except for the narrators accent and mispronunciation of Turkish names.
25% archeological visuals, 75% contemporary interpretation from his own brain.
@@Anton-tf9iwyeah there's not much to it. Actually I thought it had an AI generated feel.
you certainly aren’t familiar with the work of Pete Kelly to assume this has an AI feel. He’s got an encyclopedic knowledge one step short of Al: that’s because he’s human and does so much personal hands on work. Congrats, Pete. The music was also so brilliant!
I love your voice.. soothing.. yet dramatic.. it doesn't grate one's ears after 10 mins.. you make the best narrator.. & I love your work
No super distracting musics and frequencies.
I can hear those adjectating frequencies in horror films and so many other videos.
Subliminal interference. I hate that.
I live on the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia, Canada. There are artifacts in our local museum of indigenous peoples dating back 13,000 years. These would as old or older than those of Karahan Tepe. Truly amazing artifacts just a few km from where I live.
That's cool, but stone tools have been found up to a million years old or so.. it's the fact that these temples are impressively large and elaborate structures from a time when most people led very basic lives, that is especially surprising
Can you post the pics of those artifacts that are older than 13000 years ? Can you post some link of that museum ?
Artifacts are cool, but that is a different subject.
If all civilizations were wiped out would people thousands of years from now think Africa was the most advanced nation? They’re the ones whose climate is most conducive for preservation so most artifacts would likely be found there.
@KHH595 It would be impossible to miss our modern world-spanning civilization in any future archaeology. This is a fictional example but take Fallout for instance: it's usually set over 200 years in the future after a nuclear apocalypse, but there are still cities of broken skyscrapers, neighborhoods filled with empty houses, sports stadiums standing quietly. A decent example is the show "After Humans" (I think that's the name). It has some pretty realistic takes on how long our modern world would take to decay completely and even then, there are still huge human constructions holding off against the elements
History Time and Fall of Civs are the best history channels on YT! You guys are awesome
Pete, you make the most thoughtful and inspiring videos. I've been subscribed for a long time but this one gets a patreon subscription for as long as I can. Keep us thinking; keep moving us to look at these things from different perspectives and compare them, not only to others of that time but to our own times. Thank you for your hard work and dedication; it is very important work and very much appreciated.
Thanks very much. I appreciate the comment
Funny how none of these supposed "experts" ever think of the obvious. It's a if they never read a book that wasn't funded by a university or been part of a community outside of elitism. Half man half beast, scary a joke. More likely hunters dressing like that which they want to get closer to so they can kill it. Or wearing a leopard skin while gathering berries so a leopard wouldn't attack its own. Just like hikers today wear hats with cat eyes on the back so big cats won't attack from behind.
It could also represent the leaders of certain things. A man being seen as being a strong as a bear. Another as fast as a leopard. Another jumpy like a heron. I still go with men dressing to imitate the heron to attack animals for hunting.
check out fall of civilizations!
@@m00nmanners Oh, I love that channel too! I have watched some episodes over and over. My favorite one is The Sumerians.
@@ellen4956 So refreshing having these well thought out long form episodes rather than the same old 12 minutes episodes that touches on what most archeologically inclined people already know.
I have to watch Pete’s videos several times because they relax me so much that at some point I nod off.
I leave them on quite often in the evening to drift off to
I wish he’d do versions without the background music just for this purpose…though this one is kind of relaxing.
Even at 2 times speed they are still very slow.
I have only just returned from KT & GT after many years of interest. Your program is one of the best I ever seen. Thank you…… subscribed!
As a documentary maker who visited the site 2 years ago and as a friend of the lead excavator I could easily say that this is the best Karahantepe video. Doesn’t come to bold conclusions however gives sufficient content about the site by showing the Urfa museum artwork and good amount od onsite footage together with great narration.
It would be amazing to be a fly on the wall during the shamanic journeys of these ancient people. These discoveries are mind expanding in many ways.
Absolutely !
Me too brother, me too.
Love, and look forward to your work, every time. I especially love how you do list all of your references in the info section, show the books/historians you are referencing, and give multiple points of view.
Glad you like it! Much more to come
i love ancient history it such a fascinating ear, so i love channels like this, you guys also go super in depth about it as well
We truly have no idea how many civilisations were built Advanced, destroyed only to have to start all over again and repeat.
We do have an idea called the Yuga Cycles. Ancient Vedic Sanskrit writings.
Given that gobekli was buried by someone knowing it needed to be protected, I say they wanted to preserve it as evidence a pole shift occurred. Think of all the megalithic structures around the globe, are they aligned to the north pole or other celestial? try using ai program and ask it to extrapolate burmuda triangle as north pole and determine if gobekli aligns with stars
I suspect “many”
That is what the leaders do not want us to understand , it is a cycle.
Like ours will disappear with some AH pressing the wrong button
History Time, This is fantastic! I subscribed because I love it!
I found this channel a while ago, obviously one of the millions-of-views videos, and I went on a dive of basically everything. Love the content
Nothing can pull me out a slump like a fantastic video from the goat. THANK YOU PETE
To think that this is only the beginning of an incredible journey back in time is amazing. It really is only a matter of time before we find the first example of a structure or town.
The fact that we are talking about a civilization that would have been ancient to the Old Kingdom of Ancient Egypt absolutely blows my mind. My math might be off, but this civilization is older to the ancient Egyptians than the Ancient Egyptians (Old Kingdom) are to us! 🤯
Please correct me if I'm dumb and wrong as I'm a bit toasted right now 😂
Our ancestors are inspiring. I hope one day we can also explore our imagination and embrace nature instead of looking at spreadsheets all day
Nope. We will build giant megalithic spreadsheets so our descendants will know the score.
If you are looking at spread sheets all day that's a choice you make daily. You must have other talents, just look for them.
Thats up to you, as long as you eat meat, you cant embrace nature.
@@davidnewland2461this. You only see spreadsheets because that's what you choose to see
I don't think they meant spreadsheets literally. More figuratively. You are right choosing not to take time to go to the Forrest or some place of natur.e@@davidnewland2461
Some truly fine writing here. Bringing in the shamanic theme really makes Karahan Tepe come alive. "A temple of memory." Great.
Well done. We visited Karahan Tepe & Göbekli 2 yrs ago and will be returning in June to see a few of the surrounding sites, Harbetsuvan Tepesi, Kurt Tepe, Sefer Tepe, Tashitepe, and further East to Boncuklu Tarla. Any other sites you would recommend?
Looking forward to more of your videos
I’m jealous! That will be amazing :) you could add Cayonu to the list
@@HistoryTime Thank you, added
So how was the trip?!
@@constancegreiner906 It’s amazing, still here in Turkey using the full 3 month visitor visa. Thanks for asking!
Fantastic video, with so much indepth analysis. Living in Istanbul for a number of years, we managed to visit Göbekli Tepe a couple of years ago, also visiting the fantastic Șanliurfa and Gaziantep museums, plus the famous beehive houses at Harran, near the Syrian border. It was a fantastic experience and now Karahan Tepe is next on the list.
The many ancient underground communities found in and around central Turkey are totally amazing to say the least. Having been lived in and abandoned many times by so many different cultures of peoples down through time, then forgotten altogether with little or no inkling of who originally created those incredible sub surface habitats.With archeology & history in mind, you are very fortunate to live in that area of Eurasia, That part of the planet holds so many layers of history to uncover, embrace, consume & attempt to digest.At a minimal a lifetime of exploration would barely scratch the surface.
@@westho7314 Yes indeed, there are so many places to see that in 15 years here we have only scratched a small part of the surface. Thank you for the fantastic comment :)
I must have been living under a rock for the past decades 😢 I'm very familiar with, and have watched countless documentaries about, Gobekli but this is the first time I've ever heard of Karahan 😳 How? How have I missed this completely? Thank you so much for this documentary ❤️ Thrilling.
There are at least 20 other known & related "Tepe's" in that general area of Turkey.
I feel like many think “hunter, gatherers” means nomadic. It doesn’t. Hunter, gather means just that. They hunt and gather. You can settle without farming animals and plants. There are still groups that live in settlements but hunt and gather for their meal 20:21
Honest question, do you know of any societies that *only* hunt and gather, yet are entirely settled? I thought that the low/variable density of hunting/gathering resources would make that difficult.
FWIW nomadic pastoralists were very common, and nomads in recorded history usually practiced *some* degree of agriculture.
@DragonflyB-tn7pq Typically not enough food can be generated through hunting and gathering to support specializations in arts and engineering without moving. It may be that this area was so rich in animals and other wild food sources that it could support that without animal husbandry and farming, but that would make it a HIGHLY desirable area that would require coordinated defenses.
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I’m not saying they live an easy life or that it’s common. I know it’s a very hard life and those groups are NOT common. Just stating that it is something that occurs
Keep up the quality and duration. We are watching everything you produce.
Thanks for watching. appreciate it !
Very well done documentary, you won't get this level of quality from a cable corporate history channel that's for sure. Thank you dude!
I really love your video editing and music/voice. Its not only satisfying my knowledge appetite, it is really relaxing, meditative, and soothing! Best kind of history video editing love it!
Ive been following videos on the continuing excavations at Göbekli Tepe. They have found, as you suggested, definite evidence of roof beams over one of the communal areas. Also the portal stones as it seems access was through the roof. Also they have started excavating the huge area of domestic buildings surrounding the site. Plus it seems they have identified more potential sites. Im only annoyed that im 76 instead of 16 as I wont see most of what's there. 😂😂
Hi Pete thanks for yet again another brilliant documentary. Can't express my gratitude for your work enough I really enjoy watching your documentaries over and over 😊
One could spend 3 lifetimes exploring and excavating and still never really know what took place on and in these amazing places. I would give almost anything to be able to poke around for a bit. Great video! I enjoy all of them and appreciate all your hard work in bringing them to us.
Hancock vs flint and now this 😍 best weekend ever.
Hancock is a lunatic.
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@@ReactiveTraction cool story.
Fuck Handcock and Joe Rogan - they are both one of the reasons why our society has so much misinformation on our history - and of course that stupid show Ancient Civilizations (Lost Technology bullshit).
@@gregpenismith1248 cool penis.
Your background music choices have always been great, but I think this time you nailed it beautifully! The music around the Stonehenge introduction was just perfect
I was really appreciating that myself. It seemed like the music was composed very specifically for this project.....and the volume levels faded in and out perfectly. There should be awards for this kind of work!
Totally disagree. I dislike how the music changes volume after each phrase. I'd enjoy his videos much more without the music.
@@bjrnmagnusson5351 I definately can see how having only his illustrious narrative voice would be great in its own right. Id be curious to hear that in a future video maybe? In the meantime you cannot deny that the music itself sets a nice tone for the topic its played on. (volume variations aside)
You're hands down the best history (in this case pre-history) documentarian I've come across. Your presentations are top-notch, polished, and thorough.
The discoveries at Gobekli and Karahan inspire hope that we'll uncover more ancient sites in the future.
Next thing we will find is that civilization probably began in prehistoric times. Meaning that it might as well started off tens of thousands of years earlier than the oldest we have found, but will not ever find out since historical records get lost over time.
I think it's well established that living in cities was established long before the invention of writing.
Writing started about 3,100 BC so that's as far back as history can go, whereas Argos and Plovdiv are about 2-3000 years older. They both count as cities (depending on your definition) so they were part of a civilisation.
@theastrogoth8624 The Tas Tepeler culture was absolutely prehistoric.
This spanned three thousand years. It is like expecting continuity from the bronze age to the present. Succeeding cultures would have had only the ruins of previous cultures to build on with possibly only a vague inherited tradition from the past.
It's possible that they had an unbroken line of knowledge passed from one generation of priests to the next.
@@slappy8941It's noted on old Greek letters and philosophy that the earliest ancient Egypt Priests they interacted with would make note of Civilizations that were so old as to have been forgotten.
parents or teachers seeing the drawing of phalluses: GROW UP
archeologists seeing the drawing of phalluses: MUST BE RELATED TO RITUAL
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@@gerry5134Giggity giggity
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0:03 so that's how Indiana Jones got so fit 🏋🏼♂️🤠
Great video Pete! I never understood why when I worked construction, people would draw phallis's in the port a potties on the job site, I guess people have been fascinated by them for thousands of years!
But were they bow hunting elk with massive erections on both sides, lol those guys were tripping!
It's more accurate to talk about earliest evidence of civilization, rather than beginning of the same, since older civilizations may not leave much evidence esp if they constructed with wood / bamboo in non arid type environments
I’m reminded of Indigenous Australians who integrate their totem creature with their identity, ritual, law, and culture. While Indigenous people have varying and fluid ways of identifying themselves into several groups at once, it is very common for different groups to be identified by different species in the environment.
Thank you and as An Australian we have a 50 thousand year old civilisation .All mankind is great and all civilisations worthy of study but why do we keep looking to Europe for ‘the oldest’ when we know the two oldest are in Africa and Australia? I’m not a fan by the way on the hunt for “ the oldest “ implying oldest gives some superiority value. But just wonder why we do not recognise one that is oldest and continuous
Yeah but in a very simple and primitive way and they stoped, basically at that!
@@StarCrystal9given that a billion animals died in wildfires there a couple of years ago, maybe the indigenous people were smarter, knowing what's to their advantage. With less Civilisation thousands of years ago, people had bigger brains than us now. Civilisation tends also to be violent Europeans as recorded in modern history. Indigenous Australians could testify to that.
I am always amazed by the amount of work you put into these videos. This is the best history content available today. Thank you
Fascinating!
Would you consider doing a video on a detailed timeline of the Middle-East and Europe incorporating places and people's like Karahan Tepe, Doggerland, the Neanderthals, the Cucuteni, Akkad, the Beaker People, etc?
He has one on Akkad and doggerland I'm pretty sure. The prior is called "the first empire" 👍
YAAAYYYYEEESSSS!!!!! An hour and 45 minutes on KARAHAN Tepe!!!! Thank You, Good Sir. ❤️
At least some content on RUclips doesn't make your brain all mushy 😅 Thanks for the great job! Well done! 🎉🎉
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I lived in Istanbul. Turkey is a beautiful vast and culturally rich Country. Beautiful People, beautiful Country. I wish I could visit one more time in My life. I would love to see all of these places.
You couldn’t pay me to go back to Turkey. I have been there six times.
Just a shame that 1,000 years ago the inhibators of then Anatolia were brutally killed in the name of Islam.
@garyfrancis6193 I love Turkey, it has some of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I'm not sure how Anyone can not like Turkey.
What happened the last time you went? @@garyfrancis6193
Two words. Islamic fundamentalists.
I have seen a flute made from a Swan bone from a cave off the Danube. It uses the same musical scale as we use today. It is dated at 40000 years old. Human culture was sophisticated a long time ago...
This is, hands down, one of the most beautiful presentations I've seen in a minute.
Thank you.
Seeing those stone carvings really make me want to look into stone masonry. And the leopard/face stone carving looks like its depicting an animal pouncing on the humans back
That's exactly what it is. spot on. Likely a big wolf or cat, and one of a defenseless human's worst fears being attacked from behind by a ruthless hungry beast.Something to memorialize in sculpture to teach and install fear and respect in people especially younger kids. Simple imagery had alot of power then as nowm though now the imagery is far more technical & deceiving.
Mystery laden images, voicing and music. What a day to be alive!
Incredible production. Thank you for this
One of several simply AMAZING history channels on yt....
I mean simply amazing work. Amazing BODY of work....
With all the pain being marketed these days.... channels like this one, at a stroke, give life to past present and future... profoundly excellent. 👏✌️
great documentary, thank you.
I love History Time
Damn this is good. About 10 minutes in and Im amazed. Been watching alot about Gobekli and Ive been wanting to get to this. Excellent vidoe with so much to think and study on. AWESOME
Glad you like it. More on the way!
Such a fan for all your vids! But bruh I absolutely love the long ones more than any other channel
I was at the museum in Sanliurfa last week ,I'm in midyat this week ,love that you brought this out when I'm on holiday.
In this film it shows Professor Aubrey Burl, he came to my farm to see a stone circle we have, he came with a bus load of mature students from Aston University Birmingham from where he worked.
Showed him my historic finding, a quern stone pre Roman and found about I00 yards from the remains of the stone circle.
Great chat with him.
Karahan Tepe, Gobekli.Tepe, Çatal Huyuk and other similar edifications in the southeast of modern day Turkey and northwest of modern day Syria seem to Indicate that some form of Civilisation and complex society predates the development of agriculture. It's still very interesting that these places are still relatively near the earliest remains of agricultural societies and of Copper and Bronze Age civilisations like Egypt, Mesopotamia and the Levant as a whole. Something must've happened there at that time for such a quick socal and technical development. Probably very favorable climatic and geographical conditions but still, something else must've happened, I don't know what, that made people think differently.
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The best channel on RUclips!
Quite the documentary. Master Kelly, you've surpassed yourself. We may now be able to acclaim how civilizations began.
Amazing production here. Thank you for your work in discussing and developing the video of this discovery.
Best channel on RUclips by far! Amazing documentaries. Congratulations!
RUclips premium is width every penny for me. This is just absolutely superb
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Great video.
Thanks!
Things change at the speed of light, yet nothing truly changes.
Man thank you so much for these vids, they are awesome!!!!!! I have send them to my kids and they love them. Thank you again.
This is bloody OUTSTANDING mate!! Excellent job! I know I speak for the thousands who've enjoyed your videos when I say THANK YOU SO MUCH for all of your very very difficult work along with the countless amount of hours you've sunken into making these documentaries for us to enjoy. You're truly a superb film maker.
At the 46.47 point you can see three 'messenger bags' or handbags that look the same as bags I've seen on South American temples.
A friend of mine who is a builder thinks those handbags are actually keystones
There are reliefs of the Assyrian King Ashurnasirpal II in the Metropolitan Museum that shows him holding something that looks like a "handbag" from 883-849 BCE. They say it is a bucket used to sprinkle "holy water" in association with fertilizing date trees.
Seed bags, common universal vessels for transporting new nourishment and growing knowledge. Far from Felix the Cat or the mad Professors magic bag of tricks as so many looney tune fans presume,
@@westho7314 Agricultural knowledge was a big deal in the past and some of it probably looked like magic the same as metal smelting seemed magical to ancient people. Some had special knowledge and some didn't. It seems people were traveling the world and sharing new knowledge.
You are a great storyteller and documentarian. Thanks!
Why is it a half beast/half man and NOT a hunter wearing an animal skin for ceremony or as camouflage? Think Aztec jaguar knights.
Totally agree, the perspective of pre-historic man in the eyes of modern man is hilarious to say the least. These so called experts need to be more objective. Maybe frame their thoughts in a context that matches early man.
I would say that people who were forced to see the heartbreaking reality of the natural wild who eat and used animals probably felt like they were gaining that animals life energy. When observing wildlife it’s easy to see a magical(unknowable) fabric in their workings. Wearing its hide and body parts would be camouflage, protection from elements, show respect for that species and have that aspect of synergistic magical life energy. +50hp with leather armor 😂
@@rollercam351 not to mention that if this city existed before agriculture, it's likely it still had division of labor in a somewhat organized way. It would make sense to me to have a hunter/warrior class within this context to provide enough food and defense for this early city.
@@rollercam351are you a prehistoric man? How are you posting on the internet?? Alien time machine dial-up?? 🤔👽🤯
Humans didnt always look the same you know... people change and animals too
Or an animal holding a man as its pray?
Absolutely brilliant episode 👏 content is always good
You're a great soothing narrator i can listen to you all day and i will enjoy your contents, you do your research soo good, thank you for you and your channel
Trying to sleep here man! Too damn intriguing
My best guess would be that first civilizations formed when people learned how to store meat to last for a long time and how to make cheese in other word to preserve milk for a long period of time and those civilizations started in places with 4 seasons but where winters wouldn't be harsh like in Siberia and summers werent scorching hot and I would persume that 15k years ago in today's Turkey they had exactly that
I feel like I’ve been waiting so long for this! 😂
Yep, 40'000-10'000 years!
@@dannydetonator well played lol
Great work. Would be interested to hear your opinion on the WEF/ Göbekli connection and halting of further digs.
Thank you again, Pete.
Of all that is known, "perhaps" is the only answer to be offered.
Im so sack deep into Pete Kelly right now! The guy does a great job
Sack deep?
Man is getting too excited about the penis idols
Sack deep?
Am I the only one who notices the stylistic similarity between the animal carvings at Tas Tepeler sites and lions and other animals depicted in Hittite art?
Appreciate the research and efforts it takes to share this information
It's a good day when Pete drops a new documentary 😌
Incredible documentary. So we’ll researched, thank you 👍
This is really fascinating, thanks for making great videos
My good sir, my humblest of thanks for these most superbly well made videos. A subject of such importance and profoundness that its value is immeasurable. Thank you! 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
This was both a fascinating as well as a beautiful watch! Thanks so much!
Regarding depictions of phalluses, remind yourself that most hunters were teenagers who rarely survived their mid twenties.
So, just give any human male teenager some art supplies and privacy and see what is ultimately produced.
This is obviously pre noahs flood. Some people lived over 900 years.
@@johnzacharias5329lol