From 1.6 REPLACEMENT EFFECTA replacement effect replaces a specified effect with a different effect. Most replacement effects are interrupt abilities in the format of “when [triggering condition] would happen, do [replacement effect] instead.”• When an effect is replaced, it is no longer considered imminent and no further interrupts or responses to that effect can be triggered. For eyepatch camera, I think it would prevent all threat then place 3.
@@webwarriorfanatic I think RAW it does actually "instead" the **entire** threat amount. Is RAI different...debatable? They shoulda left off that last word - "instead". Now re-read the ability without "instead", and see what you think. When "X" gonna happen -> do "Y" instead X = place a **single chunk** of threat Y = place up to 3 of that over there Doing "Y" **instead** of "X" is the **entirety** of "X" Here, all "up to 3" does is limit its use vs instances of '1 Threat' or '2 Threat' lumps. Sure, we have 'Counter Intelligence', but Hero kit cards are allowed (supposed?) to be more powerful, so...fine, right? If you think about it. We also have 'Psionic Manipulation' where for 1 cost more it'll make such thwart numbers **reversed** rather than merely 100% blocked. So...+$1 aspect card that is more powerful & usable by a handful of heroes vs this Hero kit card. Again, fine right? Any excess threat is sent off to 'Limbo' where our **NEW** X-men allies go once they try to go to an 'owners discard pile'. *- Limbo being 'La La Land', not the 'Dimension' in Magik's deck.
Eye patch Camera is like Counter intelligence. It prevents up to 3 threat and that threat goes to the suit, rest goes to main scheme as normal. I think the Stealth suit form will be more of a situational use, good vs certain villains. But he does have aspect hooks and can put together a decent deck even if it's not exactly what the designer intended. Probably not an A tier hero, but that's okay.
@@webwarriorfanatic that comment is wrong and it's not a replacement effect. It prevents and redirects up to 3 threat, thats it. Stealth suit has similar wording, you think that prevents all threat also? Come on
I’m really excited for Fury! He’ll feel very thematic as a spy and I think create a lot of interesting decision spaces. My guess he’s pretty strong once we learn how to play him. Also excited to see preparations here for Black Widow - she’s another one of my favorites. The eyepatch would only prevent the three threat. It functions like Cable’s Temporal Leak and FFG clarified that it functions as only the amount and the remaining threat still goes onto the scheme. Another thematic nod in this set are Fitz and Simmons, they’re a team in the Agents of SHIELD tv show as the science/tech experts. I’m impressed how many callouts FFG is giving the show in this box.
Nice!!! That’s really cool. I only watched the show when i could catch it on TV so don’t really know anyone other than Coulson, Quake, and the guy that betrayed them from Maria’s precon. Also thanks for clarifying that, really useful info. May i ask how do you know where FFG confirms this?
@@webwarriorfanatic I look at the rule clarifications on Hall of Heroes where they have the responses from FFG. For Temporal Leap I had submitted that question to FFG myself because I wasn’t confident how it worked.
@@wkylegreen oh i see i see. I think it’s a little different because of the word “instead” see comment from Mark citing “instead” from RRG. The way i read it is like “when threat is placed on the main scheme, discard this card -> _______ instead” means replace threat being placed and do blank in place of that. I could be wrong though
@@webwarriorfanatic I could be wrong too. The wording isn’t identical, but it seems functionally the same. I also think because the wording of Eyepatch doesn’t say “prevent that threat” and says “up to 3 of that threat” it indicates any remaining threat still goes through. It isn’t a replacement of the enemy scheming but just where up to 3 of the schemed threat is placed.
I like what they did with Nick he has the DNA of form changer heroes I like (Vision/Shadowcat) but has a unique spin on this formula. He also seems to have a similar ability to Gambit with the damage manipulation however I think it is just functionally better here as its not solely for Attack events (triggers off of his basic too) and his threat acquisition seems quicker than Gambit's counter acquisition. Personal thoughts he will be a good solo hero and doesnt really need much set up to get going, Maria probably has a lower floor and will struggle in solo scenarios with front loaded difficulty but may have a higher ceiling than Nick once set up.
Solid assessment. I also think that Nick can play at a faster tempo than Maria. I also like his threat mechanic more than Gambit’s charge de card for the same reason you pointed out
@@webwarriorfanatic My dumb idea at the moment Lie In Wait is a Preparation that is an attack, not saying its a good combo but fun to use the threat to instant kill a minion makes Face the Past or Looking for Trouble interesting build arounds.
@@webwarriorfanatic But not being reserved to Attack events just makes the ability so much more flexible and interesting than Gambit's. Damage flexibility and the ability to alter packets of damage you deal in MC is underrated I dont think people realise how much of an inefficiency wasted damage can be or having to deal with a guard minion with two actions instead of one
I don't know if you noticed but some of his signature cards(i.e. "Secret Agent" & "Eyepatch Camera") can move threat to his "suit form upgrade", meaning you can put threat on even in Assault suit form. Being in stealth suit is mainly good for getting threat when the enemy schemes. I agree with you that stealth form is not necessarily the primary form you will want to be in, but that won't prevent you from taking advantage of the Assault form ability. Also, I would point out that "Prism Dust" is an attack, which will force you into Assault form when it triggers but you can buff its damage with the Assault suit interrupt. Fury's going to be a very interesting hero.
Yea i like that you can still move threat to the suit while you’re in Assault Form. That should give him more versatility. Hopefully there’s more ways to change forms because i feel like it’s a little restrictive as of now
I think Nick will be fun and powerful against certain villains, but I don’t know how low his ceiling will be. I’m all in for this box based on what I have seen.
I feel you. He looks extremely difficult to pilot, but even so his limit in flexibility i think will restrict his power ranking. I appreciate the design space though, the forcing enemies to scheme then mitigating their threat is a fun idea
@ I just completed the WOSC #16 (stay in Alter-ego). I played Leadership Gambit against Taskmaster. Won the second play, and it was dicey. Managing threat is quite a challenge. I’m excited to see how well he does it.
@@prufrock1977 Nice!!! Yea that was a fun one-shot challenge. I don’t think Nick would be good in it since he pretty much can’t access to effects of either suit mode. Maria Hill would be the best contender for it imo
WHERE IS HIS SUPER SUIT!? lol i couldn't resist. the surfboard is a reference to a coded message that he gives Happy Hogan during the events of Spiderman Far From Home
@@webwarriorfanatic That was it. It was literally HH: "Over at Mr. Stark's, going through his belongings. Apparently, there was a surfboard you left behind." NF: "What?" HH: "People here said, they didn't think Nick Fury was a surfer. I said Appearances can be deceiving." It was to warn fury about Mysterios being a liar.
Eyepatch camera is, that when threat is placed on the main scheme you can place up to 3 of that threat on your suit instead. So if they scheme for 1, you can only put 1 on your suit, you can't put 3 on it.
I get the part where if they scheme for 1 you can only put 1 because Nick is mitigating the threat. But if they scheme higher than 3, does it work as a replacement effect because of the word “instead”?
Hey, love the content, keep it up! As far as to your question on Eyepatch, we may need an official ruling because I also read it as it would only stop up to 3. So in your example, he schemes for 10, you get to place 3 on your suit and the rest goes to the main scheme. In that sense it doesn't sound great, but considering that most scheming probably averages closer to 3-4, it would still be solid. I think in most cases it will prevent most of the threat and you get resources for your suit.
Thanks Jerry! I agree that most of the eyepatch will be really good and prevent most threat, but I’m hesitant to use it on the higher difficulties if Stealth Suit forced them to scheme for 10 with they often can by getting multiple boost cards that could end the game for me 😂
@@webwarriorfanatic That's fair, I hadn't considered the multiple boost cards which will definitely spike the threat. I also wonder how much threat he can reliably control considering he will be forcing more scheming with his stealth suit. Idk, he still seems like a fun puzzle to get him working!
@@jerry77oz forsure! He looks like a really fun puzzle and i have no clue how it’ll work until actually playing him. How reliable he can control threat i think will determine how strong he is
I read eye patch as stopping only 3 threat, but it'd be cool if I was wrong. Nick looks like he will play drastically different depending on player count. On solo, it looks like he'd need to go to assault form almost immediately for many scenarios and just stay there. Even at 2 player, some of those schemes can be pretty tight. At 3 or 4 player, especially with an Under Surveillance, you can pretty much keep him in stealth suit until another hero needs to flip down. I also think he'll play quite differently based on aspect choice. Against non-Stalwart/Steady villians he can just confuse lock the villian and treat it as a stun. My initial impression is that he's an A tier hero in 3+ players, but he may only be a B or even a C in solo. Of course, we still have more cards to see, maybe there will be some cards that change that opinion.
As another comment, rather than adding on my other thread, I think the way we look at Stealth Mode matters. Compared to Hero mode, sure having a scheme tends to be worse than an attack. But realistically I think it should be compared to Alter-Ego mode, since in both the villain and minions will scheme. I think this will depend heavily on if one of his other cards allows you to switch back to Stealth Mode other than just as an Alter-Ego action or with Concentrated Fire (since that's not reliable) or Covert Surveillance. If the only reliable way is being in Alter-Ego, then you essentially have to let the villain scheme twice in a row, once in AE and once in Stealth. Advantages to being in Alter-Ego instead of Stealth: +1 hand size Recover Any AE supports that you can trigger (we haven't seen any in his kit yet but can assume he probably has one) Advantages to Stealth instead of AE: You can still attack, thwart, and trigger Hero only actions (which a lot of the preparation cards that he likely will want have) Lowers the scheme by 1 - note this is for EACH enemy, which means it completely nullifies every minion with a scheme of 1. This is almost like a mini threat version of Vision's intangible Form that nullifies minion schemes. Even better though, it charges up his attacks instead of just mitigating threat. I can imagine a fun deck where Nick pulls out a bunch of minions intentionally, ignores them all in stealth mode, and then just wipes them all out anyway with Spray Fire and goes nuts with Bring It or other cards that benefit from having/defeating minions. There are gonna be times when one is better to be in than the other, and again I think that it depends on how easy it is ends up being to switch to Stealth, but I think viewing it this way instead of vs hero mode is probably more helpful. If he has any additional upgrades/supports that draw him cards in hero mode then the main upside to going alter ego will be gone. I also think that Eyepatch Camera is crazy good - even though it "only" stops 3 threat instead of all of it like you suggested, just think of it like a 3 thwart event for 2 cost (which is standard with upside for hero cards) that is worth some combination of 3 resources (with your watch) and 3 damage (or way more if you use those counters for Spray Fire). It's only hero mode, so this only works if you are Stealth or pull Advance, and obviously gets buffed with Secret Agent upgrade out, but even it's base of 2 cost for 3 thwart and a delayed 3 damage is pretty good, especially since you can wait until you need to use it.
Fair assessment! I wanted to make a note that he really can’t attack in Stealth form because it switched him to Assault, but other than that i agree overall with this.
@@webwarriorfanatic True, I suppose I meant he can still choose to attack even if it switches him out. Which also means he can still switch back to AE, whereas in AE he needs to change to hero to attack, which he can only do once a turn so he can't switch back if he needs. Good point though.
There are definitely a couple more of his cards to be revealed that I imagine will play pretty strongly into his stealth mode. So far his deck looks like: 1) Suit Form Upgrade 2) ?? - Probably a signature Ally 3) Concentrated Fire 4) Probably Concentrated Fire 2 5) Probably Concentrated Fire 3 6) Covert Surveillance 7) Probably Covert Surveillance 2 8) Spray Fire 9) Probably Spray Fire 2 10) ??? 11) ??? 12) ??? 13) Eyepatch Camera 14) Fury's Watch 15) ??? 16) Secret Agent So we probably have 5 cards left to see, one likely being a signature ally. I'm guessing one will be an Alter ego support that does some combination of healing, shuffling preparation/tech cards back into his deck, drawing cards/etc. Basically every hero gets one of those at this point. It's also possible that this is his #2 card and he doesn't have a signature ally. He's likely to get a gun tech upgrade that either does damage (maybe equal to the number of threat on the suit kinda like Bishops Rifle?) or confuses or something like that. Then I'm guessing his last 2 are preparations. To have a whole upgrade (Secret Agent) based around resolving upgrades, to only have 1 in his deck would be pretty strange. Most heroes with something like this have multiple ways to trigger it within their kit and aren't fully reliant on aspect/basic cards to make them work. One might be a second copy of Eyepatch Camera, but that'd be strange since the one we saw was card 13 and 14 got revealed, but I suppose it could be card 12. I agree that there doesn't seem to be much reason to do stealth right now, but I'm guessing the last few cards will make that much more viable. It's also interesting that he can only go stealth in alter ego currently and can only go assault when he attacks, so he's not very flexible in how he can flip, kinda more like Spectrum than some other form-flipping heroes we've seen more recently.
Love this breakdown. Thanks for that! I’m shocked and disappointed that it looks likely he’ll only have 2 of that thwart event. That’s his current most reliable way to flip to stealth form. Like you said, he’ll need something to flip him to stealth because most of his threat prevention materials are hero interrupts/responses, so it would be tough for him to flip down to access the Suit Form flip ability. You’re right that he has many more cards so I’m hopeful he’ll have more tools to round out his kit
@webwarriorfanatic It's possible he has 3 copies of the thwart event instead of a 3rd copy of Concentrated Fire, but usually they show the first copy of each event in the previews. We won't know but I'm guessing that's the case. I'd be shocked if his remaining upgrades don't provide huge context. There are a ton of heroes that without 1 or 2 cards just don't work well - Colossus without Iron Will, Ghost Spider without Web-Bracelets, Adam Warlock without Mystic Senses. Even Bishops Energy Conversion wasn't announced during his reveal and a lot of people were disappointed in his announcement, then he instantly became a fan favorite because that card holds his whole deck together so well and we just couldn't see it until he was actually released. Maybe I'm just too optimistic lol but yeah I have a lot of hope for Nick
@webwarriorfanatic EDIT to my previous comment: It looks like as recently as the Jubilee reveal, they showed that card #8 was the card Firecracker, which ended up being cards 6,7, and 8 in her actual deck. So it's definitely possible that card #5 for Nick is a third copy of Covert Surveillance. This inspired me to go back and look at all the heroes, specifically at their events. 16 out of the 55 (~17%) heroes have 3 or more thwart events (or events that remove threat even if they aren't technically thwarts). Out of the 35 heroes with at least 2 "Big attacks", defined as either 3+ damage to multiple enemies or 6+ damage in a single attack, only Hawkeye, Gambit, Groot, and Colossus also have more than 2 "small attacks", defined as attacks that do 5 or less damage to a single target. Iron Man, Gamora, and Angel have flexible/conditional events that kinda fit the description as well, so we'll just say 7/35, which is 1 in 5. It seems like the best comparisons will be to either Iceman or Gambit, depending on that card #5. Iceman has his 2 Arctic Attacks (4 damage plus a bonus), 3 Chill Outs (3 thwart plus a bonus), and 2 Ice Blasts (3 damage to multiple enemies). Gambit (who very similarly to Nick has the ability to use counters to boost damage) has 3 Charged Cards (4 base damage plus bonus), 2 Creole Charmers (3 thwart), and 2 Royal Flush (Essentially 9 damage split across 1-3 enemies with the boost). I think it will all depend on what the last couple preparation cards are, but I'd be totally shocked if they don't make his Stealth mode critical to his functioning.
@@justinvamp15 yea i agree with your original assessment that there would only be 2 thwart events since the revealed card is usually the first in the order, but like you said there will most likely be critical cards that will make stealth mode much more smooth
I'm pretty sure they mentioned that the eyepatch was the only preparation inhis deck, maybe he has a few copies of it but we might have to wait for other heroes (hoping winter soldier) with more preparations
Ok, in my humble opinion his stats are actually really good, I think the suit is tricky but actually very powerful, there are a few times were I want to flip to alter ego but I don't want the threat to scale too much, so he could avoid some damage and some threat at the same time, the problem is that he would need one of his events, but I think it's doable, I'm actually trying to look at all his benefits but it is designed in such a way were everything I find is balanced by another thing, for example, I thought of get behind me since you can play it in stealth form, but not in alter ego, but the extra attack turns into threat and unless you can spare some of it, it might not be worth it, he is basically in alter ego for but with 1 less card and no rec, where I think this shines is when you have a few of those high attack/low scheme minions, bc you can build up your threat faster, and is way better than fliping to alter ego, and if the eyepatch works like you think it does, it might be even better, I will still wait for an answer bc there have been errors in the past, like Hawkeye's quiver, where the card meant one thing, but litterally did an extra effect that was not meant to be, search was redefined, without having to release an errata for the card, the same might happen here
True, i think it’s hard to know how strong he’ll be until we actually play him. Some heroes we can already tell but Nick is so different and unique we can’t really compare him to another hero (who has a second form where the villain schemes in)
Hyped 🎉 I hope he will have some more cards for Black Widow. Nick looks fun…hope the two heroes don’t come with to much power creep for MC. Maria with the carriers looks very strong. Thanks for presenting the new stuff 👍
Thanks for watching, jehoba 😁🙏 It looks like Nick will have great preps for Justice Black Widow. I agree he looks fun and fortunately (for us) i think he looks not very powerful as well. Maria Hill like you said looks very strong so I’m hoping actually playing her that the cost of the carriers offsets how good they are 🤞🏻🤞🏻
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From 1.6
REPLACEMENT EFFECTA replacement effect replaces a specified effect with a different effect. Most replacement effects are interrupt abilities in the format of “when [triggering condition] would happen, do [replacement effect] instead.”• When an effect is replaced, it is no longer considered imminent and no further interrupts or responses to that effect can be triggered. For eyepatch camera, I think it would prevent all threat then place 3.
That’s what i was thinking/hoping for but everyone else seems to disagree. This drastically changes how strong Fury will be
@@webwarriorfanatic I think RAW it does actually "instead" the **entire** threat amount. Is RAI different...debatable?
They shoulda left off that last word - "instead". Now re-read the ability without "instead", and see what you think.
When "X" gonna happen -> do "Y" instead
X = place a **single chunk** of threat
Y = place up to 3 of that over there
Doing "Y" **instead** of "X" is the **entirety** of "X"
Here, all "up to 3" does is limit its use vs instances of '1 Threat' or '2 Threat' lumps.
Sure, we have 'Counter Intelligence', but Hero kit cards are allowed (supposed?) to be more powerful, so...fine, right?
If you think about it. We also have 'Psionic Manipulation' where for 1 cost more it'll make such thwart numbers **reversed** rather than merely 100% blocked. So...+$1 aspect card that is more powerful & usable by a handful of heroes vs this Hero kit card. Again, fine right?
Any excess threat is sent off to 'Limbo' where our **NEW** X-men allies go once they try to go to an 'owners discard pile'.
*- Limbo being 'La La Land', not the 'Dimension' in Magik's deck.
Eye patch Camera is like Counter intelligence. It prevents up to 3 threat and that threat goes to the suit, rest goes to main scheme as normal.
I think the Stealth suit form will be more of a situational use, good vs certain villains.
But he does have aspect hooks and can put together a decent deck even if it's not exactly what the designer intended.
Probably not an A tier hero, but that's okay.
Are you sure about the Eye Patch?! I got a conflicting comment. Overall i agree with your sentiments on Nick
@@webwarriorfanatic "place up to 3 of that threat". i goes to the same place it always does, except for 3 threat.
You are overthinking.
@@Ddwlf27 edit: I’m not sure lol. See replacement effects from pinned comment
@@webwarriorfanatic that comment is wrong and it's not a replacement effect.
It prevents and redirects up to 3 threat, thats it.
Stealth suit has similar wording, you think that prevents all threat also? Come on
I’m really excited for Fury! He’ll feel very thematic as a spy and I think create a lot of interesting decision spaces. My guess he’s pretty strong once we learn how to play him.
Also excited to see preparations here for Black Widow - she’s another one of my favorites.
The eyepatch would only prevent the three threat. It functions like Cable’s Temporal Leak and FFG clarified that it functions as only the amount and the remaining threat still goes onto the scheme.
Another thematic nod in this set are Fitz and Simmons, they’re a team in the Agents of SHIELD tv show as the science/tech experts. I’m impressed how many callouts FFG is giving the show in this box.
Nice!!! That’s really cool. I only watched the show when i could catch it on TV so don’t really know anyone other than Coulson, Quake, and the guy that betrayed them from Maria’s precon. Also thanks for clarifying that, really useful info. May i ask how do you know where FFG confirms this?
@@webwarriorfanatic I look at the rule clarifications on Hall of Heroes where they have the responses from FFG.
For Temporal Leap I had submitted that question to FFG myself because I wasn’t confident how it worked.
@@webwarriorfanatic for clarity, I meant FFG confirmed Temporal Leap’s function. I haven’t seen anything on Eyepatch yet.
@@wkylegreen oh i see i see. I think it’s a little different because of the word “instead” see comment from Mark citing “instead” from RRG. The way i read it is like “when threat is placed on the main scheme, discard this card -> _______ instead” means replace threat being placed and do blank in place of that. I could be wrong though
@@webwarriorfanatic I could be wrong too. The wording isn’t identical, but it seems functionally the same.
I also think because the wording of Eyepatch doesn’t say “prevent that threat” and says “up to 3 of that threat” it indicates any remaining threat still goes through. It isn’t a replacement of the enemy scheming but just where up to 3 of the schemed threat is placed.
I like what they did with Nick he has the DNA of form changer heroes I like (Vision/Shadowcat) but has a unique spin on this formula. He also seems to have a similar ability to Gambit with the damage manipulation however I think it is just functionally better here as its not solely for Attack events (triggers off of his basic too) and his threat acquisition seems quicker than Gambit's counter acquisition. Personal thoughts he will be a good solo hero and doesnt really need much set up to get going, Maria probably has a lower floor and will struggle in solo scenarios with front loaded difficulty but may have a higher ceiling than Nick once set up.
Solid assessment. I also think that Nick can play at a faster tempo than Maria. I also like his threat mechanic more than Gambit’s charge de card for the same reason you pointed out
@@webwarriorfanatic My dumb idea at the moment Lie In Wait is a Preparation that is an attack, not saying its a good combo but fun to use the threat to instant kill a minion makes Face the Past or Looking for Trouble interesting build arounds.
@@thomasmcintosh1452 hahaha i think that would be fun
@@webwarriorfanatic But not being reserved to Attack events just makes the ability so much more flexible and interesting than Gambit's. Damage flexibility and the ability to alter packets of damage you deal in MC is underrated I dont think people realise how much of an inefficiency wasted damage can be or having to deal with a guard minion with two actions instead of one
@@thomasmcintosh1452 i agree. Having an on demand rifle that does 1 damage would go wild on Fury with his assault form ability
I don't know if you noticed but some of his signature cards(i.e. "Secret Agent" & "Eyepatch Camera") can move threat to his "suit form upgrade", meaning you can put threat on even in Assault suit form. Being in stealth suit is mainly good for getting threat when the enemy schemes. I agree with you that stealth form is not necessarily the primary form you will want to be in, but that won't prevent you from taking advantage of the Assault form ability. Also, I would point out that "Prism Dust" is an attack, which will force you into Assault form when it triggers but you can buff its damage with the Assault suit interrupt. Fury's going to be a very interesting hero.
Yea i like that you can still move threat to the suit while you’re in Assault Form. That should give him more versatility. Hopefully there’s more ways to change forms because i feel like it’s a little restrictive as of now
I think Nick will be fun and powerful against certain villains, but I don’t know how low his ceiling will be. I’m all in for this box based on what I have seen.
I feel you. He looks extremely difficult to pilot, but even so his limit in flexibility i think will restrict his power ranking. I appreciate the design space though, the forcing enemies to scheme then mitigating their threat is a fun idea
@ I just completed the WOSC #16 (stay in Alter-ego). I played Leadership Gambit against Taskmaster. Won the second play, and it was dicey. Managing threat is quite a challenge. I’m excited to see how well he does it.
@@prufrock1977 Nice!!! Yea that was a fun one-shot challenge. I don’t think Nick would be good in it since he pretty much can’t access to effects of either suit mode. Maria Hill would be the best contender for it imo
WHERE IS HIS SUPER SUIT!? lol i couldn't resist. the surfboard is a reference to a coded message that he gives Happy Hogan during the events of Spiderman Far From Home
What?! I loved that movie. I thought he was a Skrull the whole time?! What’s the reference i needs to know
@@webwarriorfanatic That was it. It was literally HH: "Over at Mr. Stark's, going through his belongings. Apparently, there was a surfboard you left behind."
NF: "What?"
HH: "People here said, they didn't think Nick Fury was a surfer. I said Appearances can be deceiving."
It was to warn fury about Mysterios being a liar.
@@zylokun ooh still that’s a nice detail. I don’t remember that scene at all tbh but glad to know haha
@@webwarriorfanatic it's a nice little nod
Eyepatch camera is, that when threat is placed on the main scheme you can place up to 3 of that threat on your suit instead. So if they scheme for 1, you can only put 1 on your suit, you can't put 3 on it.
I get the part where if they scheme for 1 you can only put 1 because Nick is mitigating the threat. But if they scheme higher than 3, does it work as a replacement effect because of the word “instead”?
Hey, love the content, keep it up!
As far as to your question on Eyepatch, we may need an official ruling because I also read it as it would only stop up to 3. So in your example, he schemes for 10, you get to place 3 on your suit and the rest goes to the main scheme. In that sense it doesn't sound great, but considering that most scheming probably averages closer to 3-4, it would still be solid. I think in most cases it will prevent most of the threat and you get resources for your suit.
Thanks Jerry! I agree that most of the eyepatch will be really good and prevent most threat, but I’m hesitant to use it on the higher difficulties if Stealth Suit forced them to scheme for 10 with they often can by getting multiple boost cards that could end the game for me 😂
@@webwarriorfanatic That's fair, I hadn't considered the multiple boost cards which will definitely spike the threat. I also wonder how much threat he can reliably control considering he will be forcing more scheming with his stealth suit. Idk, he still seems like a fun puzzle to get him working!
@@jerry77oz forsure! He looks like a really fun puzzle and i have no clue how it’ll work until actually playing him. How reliable he can control threat i think will determine how strong he is
I read eye patch as stopping only 3 threat, but it'd be cool if I was wrong.
Nick looks like he will play drastically different depending on player count. On solo, it looks like he'd need to go to assault form almost immediately for many scenarios and just stay there. Even at 2 player, some of those schemes can be pretty tight. At 3 or 4 player, especially with an Under Surveillance, you can pretty much keep him in stealth suit until another hero needs to flip down.
I also think he'll play quite differently based on aspect choice.
Against non-Stalwart/Steady villians he can just confuse lock the villian and treat it as a stun.
My initial impression is that he's an A tier hero in 3+ players, but he may only be a B or even a C in solo. Of course, we still have more cards to see, maybe there will be some cards that change that opinion.
I really can’t gauge him at all. Those are good points, though, i think I’m inclined to agree with you
As another comment, rather than adding on my other thread, I think the way we look at Stealth Mode matters. Compared to Hero mode, sure having a scheme tends to be worse than an attack. But realistically I think it should be compared to Alter-Ego mode, since in both the villain and minions will scheme. I think this will depend heavily on if one of his other cards allows you to switch back to Stealth Mode other than just as an Alter-Ego action or with Concentrated Fire (since that's not reliable) or Covert Surveillance. If the only reliable way is being in Alter-Ego, then you essentially have to let the villain scheme twice in a row, once in AE and once in Stealth.
Advantages to being in Alter-Ego instead of Stealth:
+1 hand size
Recover
Any AE supports that you can trigger (we haven't seen any in his kit yet but can assume he probably has one)
Advantages to Stealth instead of AE:
You can still attack, thwart, and trigger Hero only actions (which a lot of the preparation cards that he likely will want have)
Lowers the scheme by 1 - note this is for EACH enemy, which means it completely nullifies every minion with a scheme of 1. This is almost like a mini threat version of Vision's intangible Form that nullifies minion schemes. Even better though, it charges up his attacks instead of just mitigating threat. I can imagine a fun deck where Nick pulls out a bunch of minions intentionally, ignores them all in stealth mode, and then just wipes them all out anyway with Spray Fire and goes nuts with Bring It or other cards that benefit from having/defeating minions.
There are gonna be times when one is better to be in than the other, and again I think that it depends on how easy it is ends up being to switch to Stealth, but I think viewing it this way instead of vs hero mode is probably more helpful. If he has any additional upgrades/supports that draw him cards in hero mode then the main upside to going alter ego will be gone.
I also think that Eyepatch Camera is crazy good - even though it "only" stops 3 threat instead of all of it like you suggested, just think of it like a 3 thwart event for 2 cost (which is standard with upside for hero cards) that is worth some combination of 3 resources (with your watch) and 3 damage (or way more if you use those counters for Spray Fire). It's only hero mode, so this only works if you are Stealth or pull Advance, and obviously gets buffed with Secret Agent upgrade out, but even it's base of 2 cost for 3 thwart and a delayed 3 damage is pretty good, especially since you can wait until you need to use it.
Fair assessment! I wanted to make a note that he really can’t attack in Stealth form because it switched him to Assault, but other than that i agree overall with this.
@@webwarriorfanatic True, I suppose I meant he can still choose to attack even if it switches him out. Which also means he can still switch back to AE, whereas in AE he needs to change to hero to attack, which he can only do once a turn so he can't switch back if he needs. Good point though.
There are definitely a couple more of his cards to be revealed that I imagine will play pretty strongly into his stealth mode.
So far his deck looks like:
1) Suit Form Upgrade
2) ?? - Probably a signature Ally
3) Concentrated Fire
4) Probably Concentrated Fire 2
5) Probably Concentrated Fire 3
6) Covert Surveillance
7) Probably Covert Surveillance 2
8) Spray Fire
9) Probably Spray Fire 2
10) ???
11) ???
12) ???
13) Eyepatch Camera
14) Fury's Watch
15) ???
16) Secret Agent
So we probably have 5 cards left to see, one likely being a signature ally.
I'm guessing one will be an Alter ego support that does some combination of healing, shuffling preparation/tech cards back into his deck, drawing cards/etc. Basically every hero gets one of those at this point. It's also possible that this is his #2 card and he doesn't have a signature ally.
He's likely to get a gun tech upgrade that either does damage (maybe equal to the number of threat on the suit kinda like Bishops Rifle?) or confuses or something like that.
Then I'm guessing his last 2 are preparations. To have a whole upgrade (Secret Agent) based around resolving upgrades, to only have 1 in his deck would be pretty strange. Most heroes with something like this have multiple ways to trigger it within their kit and aren't fully reliant on aspect/basic cards to make them work. One might be a second copy of Eyepatch Camera, but that'd be strange since the one we saw was card 13 and 14 got revealed, but I suppose it could be card 12.
I agree that there doesn't seem to be much reason to do stealth right now, but I'm guessing the last few cards will make that much more viable.
It's also interesting that he can only go stealth in alter ego currently and can only go assault when he attacks, so he's not very flexible in how he can flip, kinda more like Spectrum than some other form-flipping heroes we've seen more recently.
Love this breakdown. Thanks for that! I’m shocked and disappointed that it looks likely he’ll only have 2 of that thwart event. That’s his current most reliable way to flip to stealth form. Like you said, he’ll need something to flip him to stealth because most of his threat prevention materials are hero interrupts/responses, so it would be tough for him to flip down to access the Suit Form flip ability. You’re right that he has many more cards so I’m hopeful he’ll have more tools to round out his kit
@webwarriorfanatic It's possible he has 3 copies of the thwart event instead of a 3rd copy of Concentrated Fire, but usually they show the first copy of each event in the previews. We won't know but I'm guessing that's the case.
I'd be shocked if his remaining upgrades don't provide huge context. There are a ton of heroes that without 1 or 2 cards just don't work well - Colossus without Iron Will, Ghost Spider without Web-Bracelets, Adam Warlock without Mystic Senses. Even Bishops Energy Conversion wasn't announced during his reveal and a lot of people were disappointed in his announcement, then he instantly became a fan favorite because that card holds his whole deck together so well and we just couldn't see it until he was actually released.
Maybe I'm just too optimistic lol but yeah I have a lot of hope for Nick
@webwarriorfanatic EDIT to my previous comment: It looks like as recently as the Jubilee reveal, they showed that card #8 was the card Firecracker, which ended up being cards 6,7, and 8 in her actual deck. So it's definitely possible that card #5 for Nick is a third copy of Covert Surveillance.
This inspired me to go back and look at all the heroes, specifically at their events. 16 out of the 55 (~17%) heroes have 3 or more thwart events (or events that remove threat even if they aren't technically thwarts). Out of the 35 heroes with at least 2 "Big attacks", defined as either 3+ damage to multiple enemies or 6+ damage in a single attack, only Hawkeye, Gambit, Groot, and Colossus also have more than 2 "small attacks", defined as attacks that do 5 or less damage to a single target. Iron Man, Gamora, and Angel have flexible/conditional events that kinda fit the description as well, so we'll just say 7/35, which is 1 in 5.
It seems like the best comparisons will be to either Iceman or Gambit, depending on that card #5. Iceman has his 2 Arctic Attacks (4 damage plus a bonus), 3 Chill Outs (3 thwart plus a bonus), and 2 Ice Blasts (3 damage to multiple enemies). Gambit (who very similarly to Nick has the ability to use counters to boost damage) has 3 Charged Cards (4 base damage plus bonus), 2 Creole Charmers (3 thwart), and 2 Royal Flush (Essentially 9 damage split across 1-3 enemies with the boost).
I think it will all depend on what the last couple preparation cards are, but I'd be totally shocked if they don't make his Stealth mode critical to his functioning.
@@justinvamp15 yea i agree with your original assessment that there would only be 2 thwart events since the revealed card is usually the first in the order, but like you said there will most likely be critical cards that will make stealth mode much more smooth
I'm pretty sure they mentioned that the eyepatch was the only preparation inhis deck, maybe he has a few copies of it but we might have to wait for other heroes (hoping winter soldier) with more preparations
These 2 heroes look great. Easy buy when this releases
Yess this will be a great expansion. The campaign mystery looks extremely fun too. Im very excited
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Ok, in my humble opinion his stats are actually really good, I think the suit is tricky but actually very powerful, there are a few times were I want to flip to alter ego but I don't want the threat to scale too much, so he could avoid some damage and some threat at the same time, the problem is that he would need one of his events, but I think it's doable, I'm actually trying to look at all his benefits but it is designed in such a way were everything I find is balanced by another thing, for example, I thought of get behind me since you can play it in stealth form, but not in alter ego, but the extra attack turns into threat and unless you can spare some of it, it might not be worth it, he is basically in alter ego for but with 1 less card and no rec, where I think this shines is when you have a few of those high attack/low scheme minions, bc you can build up your threat faster, and is way better than fliping to alter ego, and if the eyepatch works like you think it does, it might be even better, I will still wait for an answer bc there have been errors in the past, like Hawkeye's quiver, where the card meant one thing, but litterally did an extra effect that was not meant to be, search was redefined, without having to release an errata for the card, the same might happen here
True, i think it’s hard to know how strong he’ll be until we actually play him. Some heroes we can already tell but Nick is so different and unique we can’t really compare him to another hero (who has a second form where the villain schemes in)
I wonder: does the Super Spies team up card work with Maria and Nick Sr?
I don’t think it does because the “Sr” changes the title of the card. I’m not 100% sure of that though and definitely hope I’m wrong lol
Hyped 🎉 I hope he will have some more cards for Black Widow. Nick looks fun…hope the two heroes don’t come with to much power creep for MC. Maria with the carriers looks very strong. Thanks for presenting the new stuff 👍
Thanks for watching, jehoba 😁🙏
It looks like Nick will have great preps for Justice Black Widow. I agree he looks fun and fortunately (for us) i think he looks not very powerful as well. Maria Hill like you said looks very strong so I’m hoping actually playing her that the cost of the carriers offsets how good they are 🤞🏻🤞🏻
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Lol i don’t even remember saying that in this one