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Комментарии • 758

  • @Laza10426
    @Laza10426 2 года назад +4869

    Conquering Burgundy without cheats be like:
    -Why isn't it possible?
    - It's just not.
    - Why not you stupid bastard?

    • @cnlbenmc
      @cnlbenmc 2 года назад +330

      Maybe it's possible for Reinhard Heydrich but you still lose the game in the end but save the world.

    • @jonsayshi5652
      @jonsayshi5652 2 года назад +392

      @@cnlbenmc "You are bad guy... but that doesn't mean you are bad guy."

    • @willywilly269
      @willywilly269 2 года назад +334

      As speer u can cause Burgundy to have a civil war which fucks with their nukes

    • @VietNPHung
      @VietNPHung 2 года назад +49

      @@jonsayshi5652 anti hero be like

    • @johnsteampunk6408
      @johnsteampunk6408 2 года назад +129

      @@willywilly269 I never consider the thought of a Nuclear Civil War until this comment.

  • @manahanjulsbernardd.6793
    @manahanjulsbernardd.6793 2 года назад +2096

    "the OFN stands with burgundy"
    what

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +606

      American imperialism be like

    • @prowhisperer4058
      @prowhisperer4058 2 года назад +93

      the same happend to me when i played as taboritsky

    • @ColonelBragg
      @ColonelBragg 2 года назад +123

      Not out of character for the US

    • @maximka9795
      @maximka9795 2 года назад +141

      Realpolik be like

    • @Kreze202
      @Kreze202 2 года назад +1

      Why are you surprised that America's not actually fighting for freedom and/or democracy, but only their own interest like every other countries?

  • @RangerSidewinder
    @RangerSidewinder Год назад +960

    “The OFN stands with Ordensstaat Burgund” has to be the most cursed event ever.

    • @MikeHunt-zy3cn
      @MikeHunt-zy3cn Год назад +14

      Excuse me what????

    • @freerbx793
      @freerbx793 11 месяцев назад +1

      Critical support to Comrade Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler in his struggle against German Imperialism!

    • @user-pe3wr8fu6u
      @user-pe3wr8fu6u 11 месяцев назад +62

      Well, USA support Red Khmers in real life, so…

    • @corporaliron6820
      @corporaliron6820 11 месяцев назад +7

      NAHHHHH 💀

    • @recrock8485
      @recrock8485 9 месяцев назад

      ?????????@@user-pe3wr8fu6u

  • @LTSneed
    @LTSneed 2 года назад +1286

    Imagine beating burgundy as France after hours of trying and getting that message

  • @slovakvillageboi5635
    @slovakvillageboi5635 2 года назад +2558

    TNO devs on their way to remove fun out of the mod

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +584

      yes, the goring's path is the only one that withouth nuclear weapons can achive world conquest

    • @freetime5803
      @freetime5803 Год назад +183

      I genuinely dont understand why anyone would ever play TNO

    • @ambreentariq1423
      @ambreentariq1423 Год назад +289

      @@freetime5803 Because of the fantastic storyline, branching paths, amazing characters, great lore, fantastic world building, etc.

    • @freetime5803
      @freetime5803 Год назад +327

      @@ambreentariq1423 hoi4 is a game. Not a visual novel.

    • @ambreentariq1423
      @ambreentariq1423 Год назад +374

      @@freetime5803 If you don't like the experience of the mod, then simply don't play it. But for me and many other people, the 'visual novel' type experience that tno provides is what makes it so memorable.

  • @Mr_Socksnjocks
    @Mr_Socksnjocks 2 года назад +2226

    I think the best way to legitimately do it is to not walk into any victory points and position divisions next to them because I think it's based upon their capitulation percentage.

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +504

      no dummy, if you take nord paris automaticaly burgundy make nuclear moves, this dont work, is programed in game. but i think for japan or usa this maybe work

    • @Mr_Socksnjocks
      @Mr_Socksnjocks 2 года назад +564

      @@mainettik If you cap them before midnight the event won't fire because that just how triggering events works in HOI4.

    • @cnlbenmc
      @cnlbenmc 2 года назад +276

      Supposedly the only canonical way to Militarily defeat Burgundy and not destroy the world in nuclear hellfire is as Reinhard Heydrich but then again; I'm not sure if this is a mod or is actually part of the game.

    • @perkele8012
      @perkele8012 2 года назад +100

      @@Mr_Socksnjocks you can only cap a nation at midnight

    • @t.hurson2298
      @t.hurson2298 2 года назад +32

      ​@@Mr_Socksnjocks I did that. Game didn't care. I still got nuked

  • @EnSayne987
    @EnSayne987 2 года назад +2929

    "You can't just beat Burgundy" Right, not like realistically you could probably just kill Himmler with a sudden attack which would destabilize it, or neutralize their small nuclear arsenal with your own non-nuclear missiles, or bombs, or paratroopers. Or agree with the other nations that nuclear launches from Burgundy don't trigger everyone to launch their nukes at fucking everyone else, because the devs/writers don't seem to comprehend the idea that MAD isn't always guaranteed, especially in this universe, so worst case scenario Germany and Burgundy have a short nuclear exchange that fucks them up quite a bit but doesn't destroy them.
    No seriously, why is MAD even really a thing in this world when the whole concept was based around the US and USSR and their blocs firing nukes at each other? It makes sense in a two sided world, but when you have a 3 way cold war maybe one side just doesn't get involved? If US and Japan have a nuclear exchange, why would either launch at Germany and why would Germany launch at them?
    Oh wait its TNO, it's not supposed to be taken seriously or make sense. Except for when it is supposed to be.

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +412

      i like tno because its irrealistc

    • @EnSayne987
      @EnSayne987 2 года назад +712

      @@mainettik That's fine but the problem is when you see it as unrealistic, you don't take it seriously but the devs really want you to take it seriously, especially back with the original team.

    • @themackie2763
      @themackie2763 2 года назад +50

      It’s asinine.

    • @nacicomi
      @nacicomi 2 года назад +85

      @@EnSayne987 just because something isn't realistic doesn't mean that you shouldn't take it seriously. If that was the case then any media ever writen shouldn't be takes seriously.

    • @EnSayne987
      @EnSayne987 2 года назад +171

      @@nacicomi I didn't say you shouldn't take it seriously, I said you can't. Though of course it would be more accurate to say that it's much harder. It's just a fact that realism really helps to keep works grounded for people. When I play TNO I try to immerse myself as much as I can but it's hard to actually take it seriously with all the issues I have with the writing, narrative and even just the flawed logic of the whole scenario (like what I said about MAD). What I'm trying to say is that they want you to see it as serious but you're too busy thinking about how it's not serious at all, or at least that's what I do. And no, media can be written in a way that makes sense and makes you invested in it. *cough* TWR *cough*

  • @hyperion3145
    @hyperion3145 2 года назад +782

    Kinda disappointing how the game just stops when nuclear war starts. Realistically, it would be a slugfest and probably a good catalyst for more storytelling

    • @moonhaze5184
      @moonhaze5184 2 года назад +39

      They do plan on expanding to post-nuclear lore in the future, don't they?

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 2 года назад +132

      That's when you boot up HOI4:OWB

    • @pedrokkj-_-
      @pedrokkj-_- Год назад +5

      *The FINAL trial awaits*

    • @Cotac_Rastic
      @Cotac_Rastic Год назад +63

      @@moonhaze5184 LoL no. That would mean making more original plot which they're allergic to. And don't you know? nukes aren't just highly explosive weapons, everyone has enough to wipe out every single government bunker and holdout on Earth apparently.

    • @kingefren
      @kingefren 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@moonhaze5184fallout lore

  • @plasticcup795
    @plasticcup795 Год назад +283

    ah yes, countries with plot armor.. how... "fun"...

    • @TheRadPlayer
      @TheRadPlayer Год назад +5

      What do you think would happen in real life if Russia, the PRC, the USA, the UK, France, or (allegedly) Israel were to be put on the ropes, and staring down their imminent demise?

    • @WarriorofChrist612
      @WarriorofChrist612 Год назад +4

      @@TheRadPlayerBurgundy has one nuke lol. One nuke isn’t ending the world and this is a fact not an opinion.

    • @DaPremier
      @DaPremier 9 месяцев назад +62

      ​@@TheRadPlayerThis is a mod for HoI4, the game where you can save Germany in 1945, realism doesn't matter THAT much

    • @moritamikamikara3879
      @moritamikamikara3879 9 месяцев назад

      Burgundy does not have "One nuke"
      You only see them test one, but usually when I check back in on the nuclear arsenals late game, they have about 1.4k
      And yes, countries with plot armour are not fun.
      Fuck North Korea. They're fucking boring.

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад +29

      ​@@TheRadPlayerYou'd lose a few cities. Sure. The world doesn't end though.

  • @crumbo823
    @crumbo823 2 года назад +1482

    TNO's universe is really intricate and interesting, but as a mod and as a game it's boring and frustrating. You just click a focus and wait. Wars will either end the game instantly because of a nuclear apocalypse or will have you steamrolling a shitty 3rd world nation because the devs don't want you to fall into a comatose state before you can read another flavortext paragraph about how the Reichsministeroberfuhrergruppenstatendefulgelheimer Moskau, Judl Gobbelhippen Dirlewanger, is plotting to defect to the communists or some shit. Which sucks because this mod has a really cool story and concept but they would have to change the game a lot if they wanted more people to play it, but sadly that (probably) won't happen because it would defeat the purpose of the mod.

    • @SenorPato1664
      @SenorPato1664 2 года назад +284

      so what I'm hearing is that TNO would mage a much better book series than a game

    • @historicalwalrus589
      @historicalwalrus589 2 года назад +95

      *farts really hard*

    • @12D_D21
      @12D_D21 2 года назад +199

      @@SenorPato1664 Not really, one major aspect of TNO is that, while there are specific paths, you can choose between them, and the rest of the world does as well. Even if you follow the exact same path, game will be somewhat different unless you use custom rules.
      Honestly, TNO has to be a game. Maybe not a mod for hoi4, but definitely a game. Fun fact, much like KR, TNO was originally intended to be a Vicky2 mod.

    • @pramit8903
      @pramit8903 2 года назад +17

      it is a cold war mod, so wars between nuclear powers will end in apocalypse. Also there is a method to avoid that. And there is very less gameplay, as that is what happens in cold war.
      Same you will see in TWR and iron curtain except for the nulcear apocalypse and big events appearing in minutes.

    • @aoki6332
      @aoki6332 Год назад +40

      @@pramit8903 yet hoi 4 is wargame TNO is boring its feel more like a fanfiction than anything else even the cold war mod feel better to play if at less you will have something to do you cant play TNO whiteout getting popup about uninteresting stuff happening even there rework of economics is boring this mod try to much a good example of a mod done right is equestria at war its had a lot of faction and history to all of them but your not getting spam about it the game is still the same but whit more mechanic its fun above the rest if i want realism i will not be playing heart of iron

  • @tacticalnoob340
    @tacticalnoob340 2 года назад +101

    0:26 Hermann Voring consuming the Burgundian nuclear arsenal be like

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +15

      yes, the "wunderwaffe" against himmler

    • @Elyseon
      @Elyseon Год назад +2

      @@mainettik Ze Krakenfart!

    • @quasario
      @quasario Год назад +4

      ​Goring: wunderwaffe? More like wunderwaffle

  • @thelordofforeheads2839
    @thelordofforeheads2839 2 года назад +314

    I didn't know Burgundy could actually nuke you when you invade. Anyone else had the duel war where Germany under Bormann invades Burgundy, and the OFN invades Burgundy through France from the south?

    • @zeroxthesoldat4410
      @zeroxthesoldat4410 2 года назад

      Isnt that only when Himmler fucks up and has a civil war?

    • @thelordofforeheads2839
      @thelordofforeheads2839 2 года назад +4

      @@zeroxthesoldat4410 Yeah.

    • @zeroxthesoldat4410
      @zeroxthesoldat4410 2 года назад

      @@thelordofforeheads2839 I've had Bormann go ham on Himmler a good number of times solo while i was reunifying Russia but in all instances France was always either with Italy or isolated so never seen OFN go in.
      Germany also ALWAYS just sets up a puppet government there and doesnt give France shit. I wonder if France goes with the pakt and this happens if it could be reunified.

    • @thelordofforeheads2839
      @thelordofforeheads2839 2 года назад +66

      @@zeroxthesoldat4410 it happens when Italy joins OFN and France joins Itay. Afterwards you have a peace conference event tree where OFN and Germany split Burgundy. I think if you fuck up the conference there’s a risk of starting ww3.

    • @zeroxthesoldat4410
      @zeroxthesoldat4410 2 года назад +2

      @@thelordofforeheads2839 Huh. Neat.

  • @whoyin93
    @whoyin93 2 года назад +226

    Virgin Goring conquering Burgundy be like: No, please no, I don't want nukes...
    "Triggers nuclear annihilation for several times as game reload"
    "Forced to use cheat mode to disable nukes"
    Chad Speer conquering Burgundy be like: Adios, Himmler!
    "Strikes immediately from France and Elsaß-Lothringen when Burgundy falls into chaos"
    "steamrolled the SS scumbags with the newly reformed Wehrmacht"

    • @condedooku9750
      @condedooku9750 Год назад +50

      Mega Chad Petain: Wins his first war against Burgundy by using naval landings to take Paris and Brussels quickly and so quickly that Himler doesn't have time to cause a nuclear holocaust.
      Ultra Chad de Gaulle: Regain control of mainland France with a well-prepared landing, then defeat Burgundy with the landings and marches on Paris and Brussels.

    • @whoyin93
      @whoyin93 Год назад +3

      @RUclips Will Delete This Channel For No Reason Conquering is a thing, maintaining RKs plus having a good economy is another thing.

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  Год назад +6

      Fr

    • @user-qi6pv9jh7o
      @user-qi6pv9jh7o Год назад

      it lacks Stirlitz who would get catched, and after 2 hours of investigation all SS and Gestapo members are almost ready to say out loud that Nazi is wrong, all humans are equal, and Hitler is rarest piece of scumbag.

    • @survivalist2607
      @survivalist2607 9 месяцев назад

      when did asterisks fall out of fashion?

  • @shiny1556
    @shiny1556 2 года назад +143

    Sometimes cheating is the only moral option

  • @joya8292
    @joya8292 Год назад +162

    Also TNO devs: reworks Burgundy into an SS-Charlemagne state without nukes that would undoubtedly be invaded by Germany because having an ultranationalist French state on their borders would understandably be a little concerning

  • @AmariFukui
    @AmariFukui 2 года назад +527

    I never understood this part of the mod
    If Burgundy already has the capacity to end the world, why did they even need you to declare war on them in the first place

    • @crqf2010ruler
      @crqf2010ruler 2 года назад +32

      The more prepared they are the better

    • @juliuscaesar4882
      @juliuscaesar4882 2 года назад +144

      Because they are still building bunkers

    • @Dkckskcjdkc
      @Dkckskcjdkc 2 года назад +29

      For the shits n' giggles of course.

    • @MikeHunt-zy3cn
      @MikeHunt-zy3cn Год назад +1

      Idk. The mod devs are just brainlets.

    • @balkoth3762
      @balkoth3762 Год назад +1

      @RUclips Will Delete This Channel For No Reason the whole shtick is burgundy wants to nuke the world because evil or something. It's dumb and not thought out.

  • @ryanrusch3976
    @ryanrusch3976 2 года назад +106

    I beat Burgandy in 6 hours, all of their victory points were mine with a very mobile and dangerous army with hella army supremacy. Despite being fully capitualated they still get to survive until the next day tick where they then launched nukes from nowhere.

    • @ennui9745
      @ennui9745 Год назад +4

      That is so unreasonable.

    • @fridaynuggies4191
      @fridaynuggies4191 10 месяцев назад +39

      Himmler casually pulling a Nuclear warhead out of his pocket behind the prison bars

    • @sarg3893
      @sarg3893 8 месяцев назад +5

      @@fridaynuggies4191Pocket nuke.

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад +7

      ​​​@@ennui9745It is but the devs deliberately made it like that so that you can't beat them. You lose because they don't want you to win.
      They found people winning, and actively stopped them from doing so. Which is why there's the cheeky "You can't just beat Burgundy, you cheated" pop-up when you do.

  • @billy4734
    @billy4734 2 года назад +171

    "The OFN stands with Ordensstaat Burgund"
    w h a t

    • @cinnamonape3045
      @cinnamonape3045 Год назад +3

      @RUclips Will Delete This Channel For No Reason "If i copy a popular comment on the same video 10 times maybe Ill get 300 likes too!!!"

    • @bubbafat9296
      @bubbafat9296 Год назад +14

      the western world stands with cuckraine
      exact the same

    • @billy4734
      @billy4734 Год назад +23

      @@bubbafat9296 okay buddy!

    • @jeds_basement1966
      @jeds_basement1966 10 месяцев назад

      turns out russian propogandas a pretty big deal!@@billy4734

    • @ChainsawChuck13
      @ChainsawChuck13 9 месяцев назад +1

      I had a vanilla game where I got the bright idea to invade Vichy France myself as Falangist Spain so they wouldn't eat my North African claims.
      They joined the *allies*

  • @knap7742
    @knap7742 9 месяцев назад +29

    I would love if nukes in tno will be crippling, but not stopping the game. Something like -99% of production, -90% divisions, -95% of org restoring, destroying 95% of factories, constant - to population, almost no manpower. But you still could fight the damm war and win it. That would be much darker.

  • @gamerito100
    @gamerito100 4 месяца назад +12

    For a mod that wants to be "realistic", they surely fall in really basic traps, like nuclear war ending the world for some reason, even though it doesn't have that capability from what we know

    • @pacemaker9483
      @pacemaker9483 3 месяца назад +1

      Most people don't know that, it's the same thing with climate change. Nuclear winter theory was finally disproven during the Gulf War, but the reality is based on Hollywood/entertainment industry slop and movies like Threads scared the shit out of people.

  • @salter1630
    @salter1630 2 года назад +92

    in normal TNO beating Burgundy is possible if they start collapsing and you have the French as either the USA or Speer/Bormann

    • @metaparalysis3441
      @metaparalysis3441 Год назад +1

      @@youtubewilldeletethischannel cuz they sabotaged all the nukes or something?

  • @fakename7901
    @fakename7901 Год назад +124

    TNO is more of a thought provoking book than a game at this point tbh

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  Год назад +45

      yes, thats why i dont like TNO anymore, i like wars and wars brrrrr world conquest and TNO delays it making it more so you can read the events and do these kinda stuff, i am not into it but i understand people that like this

    • @bubs9155
      @bubs9155 Год назад +3

      Это просто Шиза, и только.
      Такой бред невозможно серьёзно воспринимать.

    • @TheRadPlayer
      @TheRadPlayer Год назад +3

      That's something the original devs had considered before deciding to make it into a HoI4 mod, if memory serves.

    • @TheRedKing247
      @TheRedKing247 8 месяцев назад

      always has been

  • @puganimations2418
    @puganimations2418 Год назад +56

    Fun fact: upon clicking "so long", the game will immediately Uninstall TNO and replace with the Old World Blues Mod (trust me guys it's real 😎😎)

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  Год назад +5

      frfrfrfrfrfrfr

    • @jejehatesme31
      @jejehatesme31 9 месяцев назад +7

      seems like a upgrade to me

    • @higuys7576
      @higuys7576 3 месяца назад

      So around 300 years to recover

  • @h3069
    @h3069 Год назад +50

    I don't know why they even made a mod when they clearly just wanted to write a book.
    Well, _several_ books

    • @bombocrusty4251
      @bombocrusty4251 Год назад +7

      Because it's basically a choose your own adventure, and well if they made into book form it would probably be like 50 pounds lmao
      Really TNO is like that one game, Suzerain, which is basically a similar concept of weird political visual Novels shown through the lens of Map Game

    • @balkoth3762
      @balkoth3762 Год назад +21

      @@bombocrusty4251 suzerain if suzerian was shit

    • @dimasthefox9410
      @dimasthefox9410 Год назад +3

      @@bombocrusty4251 but seriously tho they need put this mod where it belongs (visual novel) if they wanna make story' telling

    • @Constantin_91
      @Constantin_91 Год назад +2

      Just read the Man in the High Castle lol, or watch it if you are lazy. The mod has several other elements in common with the book, not just the premise.

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@bombocrusty4251It's not "choose your own adventure" though. It's a set story, told from multiple angles, with only a couple of paths. If you deviate from it, you're punished. Simple as. You can't really make your own path.

  • @ryanrg1545
    @ryanrg1545 Месяц назад +3

    Burgundy: "If you don't stop, I- I'll nuke you!"
    Germany: "If you nuke me *I* will nuke you!"
    US: "If you nuke Burgundy then I will nuke you!"
    Germany: "Why do you even care about Burgundy?"
    US: "..."
    Germany: "..."
    Japan: "Did i hear nuking?"

  • @ViktorShahter
    @ViktorShahter 2 года назад +56

    0:45
    *The OFN Stands with Ordenstaat Burgund*
    Wat?

  • @Deaglan753
    @Deaglan753 Год назад +70

    Hoi4 players: we cant conquer burgundy because they will destroy the world
    Me who is playing TNO on AOH2: *deathstackes Burgundy, recolonises wasteland, wipes Germany off the map, litterally unites all of earth as a single united nations* i have no such weakness

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад

      What is AOH2?
      Also, to be fair, HOI4 TNO literally coded it so that even if you do death stack them, they just get the nukes off anyway, and the game ends because of it.

    • @Deaglan753
      @Deaglan753 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@buddermonger2000 age of history 2 and when i mean death stacks i mean armies that can have up too 10milion troops in them and even more, and in the TNO Burgundy's nukes do go off but only destroy itself, Netherlands, France, Switzerland, Germany and maybe Poland (been awhile since i played) but the rest of the world is fine and since it just turns to wasteland and if you have colonisation enabled you can then recolonise the wasteland and undo the effects (tho the economy and technological development there is piss weak)

  • @Sleelan
    @Sleelan Год назад +9

    This is what happens when you didn't get a memo that you're playing a VN in HoI4 engine.
    "Playing."

  • @PremiumToad
    @PremiumToad 10 месяцев назад +30

    I downloaded TNO once. It sounded like it had really cool lore and gameplay. I played it for five minutes and then immediately removed it and never played it again. Its just way too overcomplicated and way too rigid. If you don't play as a country with a focus tree you just have nothing to do. The game also just takes forever.
    I play hoi4 for conquering some random nation as some random nation. Doesn't matter what the nations are. Don't really care about extensive lore if the gameplay sucks. I would actually way prefer EAW any day over TNO because at least then you actually get to fight people.

    • @Guy336-gh3qt
      @Guy336-gh3qt 10 месяцев назад +3

      What you talking about man. EAW is great.

    • @PremiumToad
      @PremiumToad 10 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@Guy336-gh3qt can't get over the brony shit though

    • @yeetmcskeet6872
      @yeetmcskeet6872 10 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@PremiumToadone way to get around the brony shit is to also play the "Escalation '84" submod which adds humans escaping into equestria from a nuclear ravaged Earth. It scratches the isekai and dunking on bronies itch if you have them.

    • @ayyyyph2797
      @ayyyyph2797 10 месяцев назад +2

      Glad U enjoyed EAW but brother you are missing the entire point of TNO that it's not meant to be a direct warfare focused mod, it has always been a narrative heavy experience

    • @PremiumToad
      @PremiumToad 10 месяцев назад +8

      @@ayyyyph2797 Yeah I know but at that point I would rather just read a book

  • @pvzfan4208
    @pvzfan4208 2 года назад +179

    Why can’t you beat Burgundy, they have like one nuke lol

    • @larsthedude1984
      @larsthedude1984 2 года назад +146

      That’s the main thing that makes me hate TNO: it’s soooooo god damn rigid. I like to think of HOI4 as a sandbox version of risk w/ LARPing. Now don’t get me wrong, I love linear story games, and I love visual novels. But the sheer inability to go off the exact story the devs have laid out for your country is boggling.

    • @flameoguy
      @flameoguy 2 года назад +54

      @@larsthedude1984 yeah it's a pretty poor use of hearts of iron in my opinion. entirely too driven by focus trees

    • @perfectlyfine1675
      @perfectlyfine1675 2 года назад +21

      ​@@flameoguy that's literally the point of tno. This is akin to disliking a genre simply because it's that genre instead of looking at a specific part of media in that genre and seeing how well that media is executed.
      "I don't like horror movies because they're scary" that's the point. tno is meant to be railroaded. how well it does that is the question, otherwise you're just complaining about the concept of linearity in games.

    • @GAMER123GAMING
      @GAMER123GAMING 2 года назад +60

      @@larsthedude1984 TNO would be such a good mod if they didn't go with a linear path
      linear games revolving around a story SUCK. Seriously just watch a movie

    • @dissapointingopinions4877
      @dissapointingopinions4877 2 года назад +78

      @@perfectlyfine1675 bro TNO feels like I’m playing an interactive visual novel, I don’t want that, I want to actually have my choices matter when playing a strategy game.

  • @C4ndic3_
    @C4ndic3_ 2 месяца назад +2

    People - Can you defeat Burgundy In TNO?
    Mods - Well yes, but actually... no

  • @cringefest4999
    @cringefest4999 Год назад +8

    Honestly if they added a post thermonuclear war type of thing, something like where SS Burgundy and (If the Russian National Reclamation government formed) they would return from their bunkers and would have one final massive war

  • @demoman8714
    @demoman8714 4 месяца назад +5

    lets give the players all these cool new doctrines, troops and generals, but lets make it where they cant declare war without doing their stupid focus trees

  • @dementor3333
    @dementor3333 2 года назад +85

    Wait you’re not supposed to be able to beat burgundy without cheats? Cause my most recent game I played as Speer, invaded Burgundy in the middle of their civil war and just defeated them. I think I even got an event about us sabotaging their nukes or something so maybe that’s what it is…

    • @velvetlegionaire
      @velvetlegionaire 2 года назад +41

      You can. As Speer or Bormann if the Burgundian civil war happens you can invade since burgundy is weakened and you can also give France land too. However if you play as Goring then nuclear war is sure to happen, you need to be really really quick to capitulate them

    • @12D_D21
      @12D_D21 2 года назад +14

      @@velvetlegionaire I would like to note that it isn’t *if* the collapse happens, but rather *when*, as it is hard-coded to happen between 1970 and 1974. So, assuming you finish your content for either leader by late 1972-early 1973, you have to wait at most a year for the collapse. It probably should happen when there’s still content, but I guess it can work as a sort of post-credits for Germany.

    • @velvetlegionaire
      @velvetlegionaire 2 года назад +3

      @@12D_D21 It's a chance, from what I know it only happens in early 1970, sometimes it wont happen in a game.

  • @gian562
    @gian562 11 месяцев назад +34

    Not so fun fact: If this happened, people living in burgundy will see the nazis as liberator because of how bad the regime treated them

    • @NobleB-
      @NobleB- 6 месяцев назад

      Yes

    • @DavidNaval
      @DavidNaval 3 месяца назад

      Bruh imagine how they would feel if the OFN liberated them

    • @daro4066
      @daro4066 3 месяца назад +1

      Yes, just like all the eastern europeans in our timeline, that have seen the USSR as their saviours too! Quit being edgy man.

  • @ninj2798
    @ninj2798 2 года назад +19

    Meanwhile Borman AI just curbstomped Bruhgundy without any nukes happening

  • @cnlbenmc
    @cnlbenmc 2 года назад +8

    In the OFNs place my solution; Activate the Excalibur Batteries!

  • @ViktorShahter
    @ViktorShahter Год назад +19

    This is once again in my recommendations...
    Well I'm not against realism and honestly I love the fact that one of the biggest and deepest mods is more about (hi)story than just world conquest. But I agree that this work can't be wasted only on realism and story, we need Redux like for Kaiserreich which is pretty realistic too. We need submod that'll let you be funni Himmler who never stops the fun and so never against conquering one more country with genocide in between.

  • @llamaboioflusatia
    @llamaboioflusatia 11 месяцев назад +4

    You can beat burgundy, at least you could. It required taking every victory point at once after every other province was taken, forcing an autopeace before the day tick ends since all of their land and divisions are gone

  • @sergeantarchdornan3013
    @sergeantarchdornan3013 Год назад +5

    Operation “Cope and sneed” is a go

  • @mattvonel4039
    @mattvonel4039 2 года назад +15

    Most unfun mod in existence

    • @mattvonel4039
      @mattvonel4039 Год назад +3

      @@youtubewilldeletethischannel I remember cheating this part of focus tree, because I was annoyed with this nuclear war ending. After that an event popped out and it read something like this: "You can't beat burgundy, you cheater ! Lol" just like in this video. Outstanding mod

  • @jacekstasiak932
    @jacekstasiak932 Год назад +22

    I would love a submod that would allow you to play AFTER nuclear war. Like -I doubt that, even with TNO fuckeryit would kill all of humanity - 99% perhaps, but not all.

    • @bubs9155
      @bubs9155 Год назад

      Даа, омские корпуса смерти, против истинных арийцев Бургундии

    • @Constantin_91
      @Constantin_91 Год назад

      Something like old world blues you mean?

    • @matthewjones39
      @matthewjones39 7 месяцев назад

      @@Constantin_91Old world blues is a fallout mod, not a post-nuclear war mod.

    • @mesuper455
      @mesuper455 7 месяцев назад

      @@matthewjones39 But fallout is a post-nuclear war world?

    • @matthewjones39
      @matthewjones39 7 месяцев назад

      @@mesuper455 Yeah, a nuclear war that takes place 50 years in the future in a world with completely different technology and culture.

  • @aziirax3400
    @aziirax3400 Год назад +47

    TNO devs: "we arent nazis"
    TNO devs when you beat the nazi's in their mod: "ermmm acshaully this is imposshible because the german nuclear weapons are so superior they eradicate half the univeerse... 🤓🤓🤓"

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  Год назад +25

      nah i think you exaggerated

    • @estradadavilafernandojavie8684
      @estradadavilafernandojavie8684 Год назад

      In real life there was a point of starting a nuclear war due to a failure of a radar that detected an American missile that did not really exist, so it is very plausible that Burgundy launching 1 or 2 missiles at the United States, Germany and Japan did that the situation will quickly escalate to the MAD
      I also understand that France or the Germany of Speer or Heydrich can beat Burgundy

    • @Tanksnstuffs
      @Tanksnstuffs 2 месяца назад

      ​@@estradadavilafernandojavie8684why Himmler nuked Brazil?

  • @antoniobouza1284
    @antoniobouza1284 2 месяца назад +1

    “The OFN stands with Ordensstaat Burgund”
    “The Ordensstaat Burgund sends support to Ordensstaat Burgund”
    Only in TNO

  • @senatorcatotheelder7530
    @senatorcatotheelder7530 2 года назад +24

    One does not walk into burgundy

  • @mamsikpasha9029
    @mamsikpasha9029 Год назад +4

    Well, at current version you CAN beat Burgundy: you need “just” to destroy all nuclear silos before the event (~one day, so better start war on 1:00). In that case Burgundy will not start nuclear war and wew, you win burgundy without cheats! Idk if that shit will work with other nuclear nations like the USA or Japan, but maybe it does.

  • @orion0187_
    @orion0187_ Год назад +3

    Since the day i've tried the Goring Run in TNO and tried to annex Burgandy, i'm actually not letting himler getting burgandy or any SS-states in UMC or another mod that allow to

  • @Whermst_0
    @Whermst_0 Год назад +2

    0:03 one of the best soundtrack for a super event

  • @unknowncommenter6698
    @unknowncommenter6698 Год назад +17

    I actually managed to get nuked when I didn't want to (I wanted at first playthrough and I actually got peaceful Burgundy ending where they put -1000 energy for short period of time for some reason I'm not reading all that shit fr fr), like I played as Burgundy, had me nukes, then I went to troll that Africa dude and I think he launched nukes for some reason while I was expecting him to launch chemical weapons like in that "8 steps to troll the world video" btw I actually got that shit happening that time unlike when I first started as Burgundy. Also why can't that SS guy in German Civil war use all 3 branches of "get help from Himmler", "conscript all Germans" and "get help from non-German SS that is outside of Germany" like I get that Burgundy guys could be mad about Waffle-SS being out there but why would they really? Like logically if you're a nazi you'd rather send a non-Aryan guy to die than have him around or smth. Also nope, that's not OP at all, that dude was really bad at it even when I cheated with focuses and spawned him shitload of divisions, as well as lots of equipment from all 3 focus branches. He's just that bad.

    • @unknowncommenter6698
      @unknowncommenter6698 Год назад

      ​@RUclips Will Delete This Channel For No Reason well I actually got randomly nuked and also wtf is that last pre-ending event in Burgundy that used to happen when you remove all traitorous waffless from the game, as well as that red poppy guy. I now want to read the event, shame the game doesn't work for me anymore for some reason

  • @user-bl5zc8zl4j
    @user-bl5zc8zl4j 2 года назад +10

    Are they changed nukes? On old versions you have about 2 weeks to conquer it. Enough for burgundy

  • @thegreatzookini3938
    @thegreatzookini3938 8 месяцев назад +4

    Hoi4 is a sandbox game thats supposed to let you do whatever you want whenever you want. Want to conquer the world as Bosnia you're more than welcome. It's why I don't like TNO, freethinking and independent movements are either extremely punished or outright banned. All thats left is an annoying e-novel with few satisfying endings. Not even a game at that point.

    • @picollojr9009
      @picollojr9009 Месяц назад +3

      Socialists usually do that

    • @notinghere2190
      @notinghere2190 8 дней назад +1

      ​@picollojr9009 it's one of the only things socialists are good at.

  • @NovaFrederick
    @NovaFrederick 2 года назад +6

    I saw a video long ago in wich someone beat Burgundy as France during the german civil war. I don't know if that is still possible now.

    • @Freedmoon44
      @Freedmoon44 Год назад

      Well you can still cheese it i suppose, AI was never meant to be perfect and exploits remains exploits

    • @bombocrusty4251
      @bombocrusty4251 Год назад

      @@Freedmoon44 it's technically possible, I'm pretty sure France just has to be in the OFN or something

  • @filipkotowski9186
    @filipkotowski9186 2 года назад +11

    I would play this. But.... the UI. It is horrible I get eyesore from looking at it and tbh it applies to most alt-history Hoi mods. Besides kaiserreich.

    • @pramit8903
      @pramit8903 2 года назад +6

      there is a mod to fix this UI problem. Search vanilla UI for TNO.

    • @BobbyWanKenobi
      @BobbyWanKenobi Год назад

      Same, one of the ugliest UIs I've ever seen. I will check out the vanilla UI mod and finally get to play it.

    • @BuckyDee2031
      @BuckyDee2031 4 месяца назад

      Red World has a good UI tho

  • @floofer9954
    @floofer9954 Год назад +2

    Reichsführer we're being invaded!
    Himmler: Don't worry, we have a massive stock pile of nukes that will stop any army with just a push of a -
    Nukes vanish right before their eyes*
    Himmler: Dude! Wtf

  • @runnerxenomorph32
    @runnerxenomorph32 2 года назад +5

    Man, the video is great but no one is mentioning that this man used classic Deus Ex soundtrack, which was very nice

  • @Irongaze86
    @Irongaze86 2 дня назад

    If one video could summarize my thoughts on TNO (assuming I never make any myself) it’s this one.

  • @underarmbowlingincidentof1981
    @underarmbowlingincidentof1981 Год назад +1

    "The OFN stands with the Ordensstaat Burgung"
    its over boys

  • @anoddperson.3114
    @anoddperson.3114 2 месяца назад

    I actually had a game where I played as Omsk, burgundy had its civil war and was reunited under himmler, Germany then invaded and beat burgundy without a nuclear war.

  • @chrisalex82
    @chrisalex82 Год назад +2

    I like the easter egg at the end

  • @tiropitaliker1387
    @tiropitaliker1387 2 месяца назад

    "One does not simply walk into mordor!"

  • @shreddedbulgariamapperofficial
    @shreddedbulgariamapperofficial Год назад +1

    Thermonuclear war fucks up the whole game…

  • @TIBKProductions
    @TIBKProductions Год назад

    0:45 I never thought I'd see the OFN standing with Burgundy.

  • @sneed457
    @sneed457 2 года назад +36

    Epic design for a war game to make war impossible. TNO fucking sucks

  • @Icantstop850
    @Icantstop850 Год назад +3

    Why not just have a feature where you could just have events where you could hack into the Nuclear Missile Systems and disable Nuclear Codes. Why not

    • @ewadfe3705
      @ewadfe3705 Год назад

      because thats the one thing burgundy protects the most

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад

      Because from what I gather, TNO doesn't want that as a possibility.
      It's grimdark edge shit where they specifically patched out ways to defeat them without nuclear war.

  • @gordonproductions284
    @gordonproductions284 Год назад +3

    Someone can make a submod changing the nuclear system of burgundy

  • @risingsun9595
    @risingsun9595 11 месяцев назад +1

    "OFN Stands with Ordenstaat Burgundy"
    huh??

  • @morallyconflictedtortoise6494
    @morallyconflictedtortoise6494 Год назад +1

    Meanwhile, New Zealand supporting Burgandy:

  • @corporaliron6820
    @corporaliron6820 11 месяцев назад

    All of Burgundy when their nuclear weapons are disabled: Well great now we suck

  • @toppatguy7668
    @toppatguy7668 2 месяца назад

    When you desable nuclear weapons in the comand bar, do not think you're cheating, just pretend that you is saving the world from Burgundy

  • @ZlXer0
    @ZlXer0 7 месяцев назад

    My guess to the lore wise reason why nukes start flying, is Burgundian Ultranationalists take control of a Nuke Silo and just fire them.
    Pretty shitty. Just because you can't win a war lol.

  • @loloffy9424
    @loloffy9424 2 года назад +13

    Which Mods are you using ? I like the citylights

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +9

      ehhh, TNO, TNO toolbox, modifier bonus (cheat that i disable in this video), and strategic blablabla adjustments

    • @loloffy9424
      @loloffy9424 2 года назад +5

      @@mainettik thx dude

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +5

      @@loloffy9424 np

  • @TheNathanNS
    @TheNathanNS Год назад +1

    Am I going mad or did I seriously read "The OFN Stands With Ordensaat Burgund" in this video

  • @juanpablo-co6zw
    @juanpablo-co6zw 2 года назад +14

    Bro
    Tno making me dislike it more by the minute

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +1

      jhsdajkl

    • @jaroIG
      @jaroIG 11 месяцев назад

      @@mainettik i too agree with your statement

  • @TurkicEdits1923
    @TurkicEdits1923 6 месяцев назад +2

    /annex bur

  • @lorddervish212quinterosara6
    @lorddervish212quinterosara6 2 года назад +4

    Fuck I need to play this mod, even tho I don't even know how to play vanilla

    • @12D_D21
      @12D_D21 2 года назад

      Honestly, you don’t need to. As long as you know the basics of hoi4, you can probably do whatever you want. The only real conflicts you might have problems with are the German Civil War, which varies in difficulty according to whoever you’re playing as; and the South African War, if you’re the US and aiming for complete victory. The rest is mostly easy volunteers an/or a simple case of having a larger army than your enemy, like for the Russian warlords.

    • @PhospheneMan
      @PhospheneMan 2 года назад

      @@12D_D21 Playing as Alexander Men may be hard at the beginning

  • @S0meRndmDude
    @S0meRndmDude Год назад +2

    I've beaten burgundy without being nuked, I actually didn't know they were supposed to nuke you.

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  Год назад

      lol

    • @bombocrusty4251
      @bombocrusty4251 Год назад +3

      I'm pretty sure they changed it after this video came out. Apparently at some point for a period it was legit impossible

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@bombocrusty4251It was impossible because they had patched out the possible ways

  • @mithea6946
    @mithea6946 Год назад +1

    I’m pretty sure you can conquer them as Speer Germany

  • @Turkpatriotantalia
    @Turkpatriotantalia 5 месяцев назад +1

    Whats tge song for fall schwarz??

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 Год назад

    Lore of POV: you try to beat burgundy-TNO momentum 100

  • @Jack_Dab
    @Jack_Dab Год назад

    This is like doing focus.autocomplete with hitler or kennedy in TNO

  • @unofficial_computer
    @unofficial_computer Год назад

    There are focuses you can take which lessens the chance for nuclear war.

  • @C.A._Old
    @C.A._Old 2 года назад +1

    Great easter egg Mod Ever. ! +1

  • @seanhendrix413
    @seanhendrix413 2 года назад +2

    I was playing an American game I was like 9 years in when burgundy had its civil war and Germany invaded it I thought there would be a nuclear war but here was none does anybody know why

    • @12D_D21
      @12D_D21 2 года назад +4

      Bormann and Speer can invade Burgundy during the collapse, and can defeat it with no problems. Actually, if France is in the OFN, both it and Germany invade, and then split the territory between them.

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад

      Because it's scripted that way.
      They made a script.

  • @supermemegenerator267
    @supermemegenerator267 Год назад +2

    I played as speer and my tactic was to declare war, march in and weaken their army as much as possible, give in to the nuclear threat, declare war against and so on, eventually their army was so weak and their country so destroyed by my bombing that i managed to defeat them (i used allowdiplo for this)

  • @ChalleonPlays
    @ChalleonPlays Год назад

    Really thought maybe I should play this mod again before I watched the video

  • @jewellcleveland2226
    @jewellcleveland2226 Год назад

    Honestly, Burgundy needs to chill with those nukes.

  • @yunnan47
    @yunnan47 2 года назад +2

    Paratroopers.

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +2

      Exists paratroopers in TNO?

  • @seacatlol831
    @seacatlol831 2 года назад +9

    Try *to* *

    • @mainettik
      @mainettik  2 года назад +4

      Ah. Sorry bro, i got It now

  • @maxamillionjazzhands4034
    @maxamillionjazzhands4034 9 месяцев назад +3

    imagine making a super in depth cold war mod for hoi4 and removing the actual war part... just write fanfiction at that point ffs

  • @tra1t__
    @tra1t__ Год назад

    one time i was playing aa russia game and somehow speer germany took over burgundy and gave the land to france for an alliance

  • @ThinkingOutLoud1.1
    @ThinkingOutLoud1.1 Год назад +4

    Is there somewhere or someone to explain the lore of this mod ? I get that it’s post Ww2 axis victory with factions of differing German leaders but I’d honestly love to know the intricate details.

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/_bLDPKXAHLU/видео.htmlsi=Vc9w1qS0rZBua6CM

  • @CalacaRoja
    @CalacaRoja 10 месяцев назад

    I like to invade it at the start of the game for the lulz.

  • @tnrz5696
    @tnrz5696 Год назад +3

    Is there any air defence systems in TNO?

    • @TheRadPlayer
      @TheRadPlayer Год назад

      what airdefence doing?

    • @tnrz5696
      @tnrz5696 Год назад

      @@TheRadPlayer securing from burgundian missiles

  • @kaptan_davuk
    @kaptan_davuk Год назад

    Hey kid wanna know how to beat that shady guy
    Don't answer their demands and calls and you got yourself whole burgundy for Goring to eat

  • @bruzh6359
    @bruzh6359 Год назад +1

    How is called the first violin song

  • @ed-b8045
    @ed-b8045 Год назад

    "Ofn stands with ss-ordenstaat burgund" 💀💀💀💀💀💀

  • @not_averge
    @not_averge 5 месяцев назад

    Makes burgundy invincible
    That's not even realistic it would only level some cities

  • @fabosanchez9413
    @fabosanchez9413 Год назад

    holy fuck dude, nice HUD

  • @technicallynothinginterest5134
    @technicallynothinginterest5134 Год назад +4

    The point the devs were trying to prove is, “There is no winners in nuclear war”

    • @dimasthefox9410
      @dimasthefox9410 Год назад +9

      Well they suppose tell that,if it was plot of the Story,but didn't they?

    • @TheRadPlayer
      @TheRadPlayer Год назад +4

      Conventionally invading a nuclear power is tantamount to suicide. Hell, conventionally *fighting* a nuclear power is tantamount to suicide, as we all learned in '45.

    • @buddermonger2000
      @buddermonger2000 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@TheRadPlayerThat's not what we learned in 1945. Because what happened in 1945 was that Japan had already lost many of its cities to firebombing, to virtually the same effect.
      Nuclear arsenals simply became large enough, and missiles good enough, that you'd lose a ton of cities.
      Even then, it means you must commit to a total war with immense loss of life if you want to win. But at that point, it's total war anyway, and that comes with the territory.
      Tbh, we're going to find a way to fight conventionally between nuclear armed states. Without total annihilation the result of a war because you're fighting a limited war, you're okay.
      Total war is banned. Not all war is banned. Even then, a couple of countries will seek to simply tank multiple cities dead.

  • @zars1324
    @zars1324 7 месяцев назад

    imagine needing an arcade mode for an visual novel
    nothing worse than a hoi4 player lol