LFR18 - Game 5 - Igor Again - Rangers 4, Maple Leafs 1
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Steve Dangle recaps and analyzes Game 5 of the Toronto Maple Leafs season against the New York Rangers.
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I think Johnny T has gotta come off the first power play unit. Might be better to have Matty Knies as a net front presence. The power play is anemic
I definitely do agree the powerplay needs to change, but idk if Tavares being moved is the choice. For one, his main problem is speed, which considering on pp he sits in front of the net and screens isn't a major problem. The second is that he's the center, if you put knies in then matthews has to take the face off, and that means he can't be setup off the face off. It's not always what they do but more often then not on the pp when they win it back to matthews on the one timer it goes in. I think personally they need to just fully change it up, put marner and Nylander on 2nd pp, give robertson and mcmann some time on pp1, see if it works. If it don't, try something else. Its the start of the season, but we need to figure this out sooner rather than later so we don't got 1/30 or whatever it was again
@@darcys842 Might be a good call to spread the core 4 out between the units... PP2 unit is nothing but total scraps. just an absolute hodge podge of players
@@Outta-hz1ej honestly. Like I love the talent we have for depth scoring, but it feels like the powerplay is set specifically for the pp1 guys, so when the pp2 guys come they try to do the same thing but they don't have the tools or chemistry to do anything. We should either split the pp1 and make it so we have two equally good pps or we need to get specific set plays that the pp2 guys can consistently do. Either way it needs work and I'm hoping berube can do it
@@darcys842
JT's decline correlates with the PP's decline in the last 2 years tbh. His speed is a huge issue on entries because for some reason they insist on passing it to him at the blue line. Before he could at least win board battles and let the team set up, that's going with age.
The second biggest issue for me is you have three guys (16, 34, 88) who want to play on the wall, so nobody wants to play the bumper position which messes up the structure.
With the 1-3-1 you have clear passing options, while for the Leafs it seems to be just move around and hope a 40-goal scorer gets open for a one-timer
@@stevendchu all your points are fair, but still I think that just means they need to change how they go about the pp, hes the best face off taker we got which is the main reason hes still on the pp1. If u take him off of pp1 you either need to put someone else who can take face off in, in which case they will always be worse then Tavares is, or you have matthews do it meaning he won't be able to get the immediate one timers that when they happen work pretty well. Which is why I suggest just splitting up the pp1, they are already experimenting with having rielly on pp2 so why not try having Nylander on pp2 and have robertson or mcmann in his spot, both of them can win board battles and play bumper, and it allows Nylander to fill the much needed role of having a star on pp2. Alternatively you can have marner on pp2 who pretty much fills the same role. Idk who exactly would replace him, of course mcmann or knies would be good, but I could see domi taking it too, since they both are playmakers. Anyways, what I'm getting at is there is more than just replacing Tavares that could get the pp going, and I think just getting him on pp2 and calling it a day would do more harm than good
Day 5 of asking producer Drew to add maximus domi to the intro
It's actually fitting that John Tavares has an anti-5G WIFI amulet because that man skates slower than a dial-up modem you used back in 2005.
This is gold. Thank you for sharing 😂
poor John, he is no longer a young man
I feel very sorry for you if you were still using Dial-Up in 2005. 1995 yes, 2005....no.
@@highrofellos6721 high-speed internet wasnt available everywhere in 2005
2005? Where were you livin' b'y? the Rural prairies?
Leafs do a better job screening their own goalies than opponents' goalies.
They can be their own worst enemy
Both of their losses this year have been pretty forgivable for a change
give it time. they’ll have one that’ll drive you to the point of insanity. i’m just waiting for it.
@@DominicGibbs no kidding hahahaha
No loss by the Leafs are forgivable. Cause it just reiterates the norm.
You thought they were going to win all 82 games?@@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi
@@DominicGibbs of course they will... every team has a few of those a year... just... this year can we NOT have it to a 42 YEAR OLD ZAMBONI DRIVER WHO WORKS FOR THE TEAM???
It will take half a season for Berube to make a clear defining mark on this team... but it really seems that it will happen... this time.
Tre's gotta help
gonna reserve my spot for the parade in July next year ....thanks buddy..... this is the year baby
NO HAT GUY, DONT BECOME A WILLIAM NYLANDER HATING UNCLE. YOU JUST RESIST IT
He’s been watching this team for at least 18 years. It’s already too late for him.😢
I'm already there, no defensive effort - bench em
Tavares right now is playing like 1.8M contract
Sorry more like $888,000 though I like JT unfortunately he lost what he had Two years ago
@@chuck2967 If we really think about it, he was only worth that $11 million a yr salary for maaaybe 3/7 seasons.
@@stevendchu agreed
I'm the one who told Steve about Miller getting hurt..I'm taking this as a shoutout!
Also....THANK GOD HE CAME BACK!! He's the heartband soul of the team!
Every time I see JT Miller play I wonder what would have happened if the Canucks actually kept Bo Horvat instead. The way he instantly 180'd from toxic to soul of the team in the media's eyes is so fascinating to me
I don't think any Leafs fan can be mad about this game. Toronto dominated 50 minutes... Igor is easily the best goalie right now. More traffic needed? For sure. But this hyperbolic bs "AH JUST LIKE LAST YEAR" is insane lol
“More traffic needed” has been the chorus for the entire Matthews era. It doesn’t matter that they had the puck because they did nothing with it. That’s been the problem the entire time. (You could say that’s unfair to Matthews and you’d be right. Kyle put them in this situation by letting go of all the net front guys)
@@GregScholfield All I'm saying is that they've been doing a way better job of this in 24-25 already. NYR are great at boxing players out of the slot/crease. Leafs had an xGF yesterday of nearly 4... I get that people are triggered after years of perimeter performance, but last night was nothing like what we saw under Keefe.
Thank you lmao
@@IbeJigsaw dominated 50 minutes is a STRETCH considering stats favored New York after 40 min.
in periods 1 and 2, TOR started hot, but NYR closed the gap in play driving (and even outdid Toronto) by the end of each. so TOR realistically dominated 10 of the first 40 minutes, then 15 of the final 20. NYR dominated about 10 of the first 40 themselves, and the rest was even.
Lol 2 goals against the leafs was because a guy wasn't being defended
Goals wasn't being scored because there was barley any traffic being had infront of the net
Leafs had 15 giveaways & zero goals on 3 PPs, Rangers had 11 takeaways & 22 blocked shots lost them the game.. leafs did not dominate it was alot closer than you think
Yeah yeah yeah, Leafs lost. We get it.
The real question we should be asking is why are beers $20 at the arena?
Like wtaf?
because as someone who doesn’t even live in Toronto or Canada for that matter, it’s the Maple Leafs and it’s beer. of course they’re gonna be $20 lmao
@@DominicGibbs It's BS
Imagine watching losers play live
Don't buy it
They will charge what the market will bear. Every time.
John Tavares's 5G Amulet let us down tonight.
I can’t believe we are saying “we need goals” yet the core four who take up most of the cap space are all forwards who are supposed to be giving us GOALS! I love JT but it’s time for him to take a hometown discount 3 mil per season (no trade clause) . That gives us space to re-sign Knies, Robertson,McMann who all look promising… we don’t need to have another Hyman situation.
"He is well fed!" 😂😂😂
Knies gonna be 6m+. Tavares should be in the 3s
Knies worth it
Tavares should be GONE. He doesn't do anything better than anyone else.
Knies is worth it. Marner isn’t really worth more than $9 Million
I dont think Marner has been 11-12M player so far. I hope he gets better.
Is he worth 11-12? Who knows really. I’d like to see him get an identical contract to Willy. That being said. When have you seen Mitch throw body checks, battle to the front of the net, or protect the puck like he’s been doing. I think the coaching style change has been great for him. I can’t wait to see where it goes
He’s worth 8mil max…. Marner doesn’t show up on the big games- racks up point vs weak teams- we don’t need that
I agree He’s not worth more than $11 Million at the his point
@@enzobordone6774 No. Raymond just signed for 8 mill. Had a career year last year of 70 something points. Thats roughly what an 8 million dollar player is. Just say you don't like Mitch Marner, don't try to talk intelligently about hockey, you clearly know nothing about it.
I played hockey at a high level my friend. I have my opinion and you have yours!! Mine’s based on heart and results, big games he doesn’t show up, unless you want to argue that as well. It’s clear you’ve never played the game at any level.
Rangers should make use of IGOR'S THEME by Tyler, The Creator somehow
Like a lot of what i am seeing with this team, but seeing a lot of old things that worry me
That's why teams with elite goaltending have won Stanley Cup past 7 or so years
Edit - I wrote goaltending, not goaltender. Binner was elite in that 2019 run if you watched every Blues game, and Hill had a .932 playoffs save percentage when Vegas won Stanley Cup. And Binner has single handedly won Blues so many games with trash defense in front of him past couple years.
yeah… but it’s the rangers. they can get to the ECF, but in crunch time, they’re not gonna be able to get it done.
Adin Hill, Darcy Kuemper, Jordan Binnington, Matt Murray, Brayden Holtby... elite? I don't know about that. More like teams with great defence have won the last 7 cups.
Kuemper, Francouz, Binner, Murray, Hill....???????????????
And it's why the Leafs won't win the cup this year despite the new coach. I've seen this movie enough fucking times.
is Binnington an elite goaltender? is Aiden Hill? even bobrovsky had many dismissing him early last season.
elite goaltenders emerge, the leafs have their chances. it's the forwards that keeps this team from winning.
Love your content Steve! I never miss these recaps!
i know Igor had a great night, but I feel like it's getting slightly overrated - NYR was the better team through two periods. TOR had a great third period push - and Igor responded. but you can't play one period and win a game.
That’s about right. Apart from the first 5-7 minutes of the game, Leaf’s didn’t do a dangerous thing in the first two frames. They had some ozone time, but nobody was going to the net in any meaningful way. They wake up in the third and challenged a bit getting chances to tie it and go to OT, but as usual, too little too late.
Par for the course. The conversation is identical every year. Dubas prioritized perimeter players and let go of all the net front guys.
For real. There's a TOR fan in the comments saying they DOMINATED the first two periods. What the fuck game were they watching? They had a few high danger changes, but dominated? Not really. Rangers also had great chances in the firs two periods, and scored on them. Does that mean they dominated? No, but they did outplay TOR for two periods.
That " I'm taking crazy pills, with you, wherever you are " just hits a bit different after a leafs loss
Just Igor bailing out the rangers again, it happens.
Day 5 asking Steve to put "maximum Domi" in the intro
(It won't happen but it makes me feel better)
Goalied in October. It Happens. No worries in Leaf Land. Was a good game.
Teams have goalies.
@@ChrisMolyneaux93not every team has a Shesterkin 😂
Still don't drive the net like big boy hockey. Too many hairdressers
And not every team has a Monteambue too
I predicted Shesterkin would actually shut them out ("prediction" =/= "what I want") so this feels like a partial Leafs victory.
Rangers fan here chiming in with the fact that our team really tried to give the game away in the third period and Igor simply wouldn't let them. Leafs were absolutely relentless
Ranger fan tuning in for the first time. Your delivery and content quite entertaining and enjoyable. Keep up the great work!!!
Let’s go Rangers from STL!!!
Pending UFA Shesterkin is about to give teams nightmares all season
Leafs fans the first 4 games : plan the parade!
Also Leafs fans after game 5 : ahhh it's early!
There have been like 5 teams that have been as good as the leafs and the rangers were one of them, can't win em all but it would have been nice to win this one
I didn’t expect them to win NY looked better played better defensively and there goalie was outstanding
I've been saying that about Tavares for 2 years now.. he is elite around the net but as soon as there is open ice pass along the boards (especially on the power play) it's a turnover... I tried to look up his TO/TA stats but I couldn't find them. I like the player/person and was very happy they got him to begin with but his speed was a knock on him coming into the league and it's now becoming prevalent again. I thought he had a good start for the first 2 games so I'm hoping he can dig deep and find that drive into the playoffs.
two things:
One
Tavares - Pbbbllt -- take a seat
Reilly - Pbbbllt - when can we admit he is below average in his own end and has taken a step back offensively?
Two
Reffing - when are we going to have the talk? These guys are so transparent. We know exactly how they feel about how they are going to call the game vs one of the teams. I am sniffing more and more stink.
Holy cow that was quick
I like your avatar.. You could show the highlight reel of the loss on that $13 million forehead.
“John Tavares doesn’t look like an 11 million dollar guy.”
Me, the Habs fan thinking of Brendan Gallagher: 😊
JT has made his money. I'd offer him 2 million for next season, if he doesn't like it, he can go.
Today I only came here for the JT amulet and Greig empty netter rent free shenanigans. I was not disappointed.
Shesterkin was flashing the leather tonight and Stolarz had a good night, but was let down at times by bad defensive coverage. The Rangers are going to have a hard time affording that leather when they try to sign Shesterkin, as he rides this season's goalie gravy train.
I love how Craig Button said that this game wasn't a measuring stick game and then went on in great length to say in a lot of double speak words that this was indeed a measuring stick game, because everyone can see that this is a measuring stick game.
You can see how it's early in the season...Steve has the Passion but not the high anxiety yet 😂😂
As a Red Wings fan who has been abused by Igor Shesterkin, I can fully relate to Leafs fans tonight.
Screening the goalie would help. Your not scoring if Shesterkin is seeing the puck. Knies would be a great candidate to be in front of the goalie.
Reaves only played eight and a half minutes
Yeah but had 2 shifts in the final 5 minutes🤣
Leave Tavares out of the conversation, why isn't Knies on the PP1 anyway? He's an animal!
Very early drop. Love it!
Rangers fan here, love the accountability for your team. Most like to make excuses or trash talk the other team. Igor won this game for us, leafs were leagues better than us in the 3rd. Earned my sub 🤘🏼
The late game PP after a long tip line shift was brutal…I may have been tempted to start the PP with second unit who was fresh and is more chaotic - dump in and bump and create chaos which often leads to chances.
Just to let you guys know, the best line on the Bruins right now is the 4th line. The Bruins 4th line is Beecher-Kastelic-Koepke. Kastelic and Koepke are in year 1 on the Bruins while Beecher is in year 2
Robertson is lowkey good af at getting his own rebounds.
This guys a savage definitely not selling any plushies…. Christmas 2025 😂😂😂
I don't understand why they don't try knies at center. Instead of insisting on Nylander playing center. Knies is a dog and plays hard. I want him to get a shot at center.
7:54 It’s because we’re the Ducks. We’re so laughably low tier (read as: still rebuilding) that winning a game (or winning during a game) is monumental.
I was at that game you mentioned. We won 4-3 in overtime and you did the one-shot wearing black because “at funerals, we wear black.” It was the LFR with the color clip. “It could be black, it could be blue, it could be green, it could be purple~”
God I wish you were a wings fan. Love your show!!
I hadn't said "oh ffs" so many times during a game in awhile 😅Good times 💙See you at FCP in Dec!
You can view this two ways: one, aw we got goalied but played well and it’s early OR two, this is not all that different from what we already know in that the offense cannot get it done in close games
If they're playing the same way they did under the last coach, which is to say they refuse to get out in front and take a goalie's eyes away, they're never gonna win anything as a group. It's almost like the team needs more than a fancy new coach to consistently beat top teams. It's almost like they need a new identity on the roster as a whole, something the previous GM was gonna try and do but got fired before he could do by a guy above him that lacks the heart in the front office that he had as a player and a head of Player Safety. We'll see if Berube gets them to start playing like they should, but this is exactly what I figured would happen with virtually the same roster as last year.
As an Avs fan, I understood that reference.
Day 3: Of asking for Maximum Domi to be in the intro of LFR’S
Coming to T town this weekend (Oct 26). Where's a good watch party near Hockey hall of Fame?
Three words that can salvage the Leafs season: 'Coach Gordon Bombay'.
We have everything to be proud of tonight with their level of play in a full 60 minutes. They played hard and got goalied. This is a different leafs team folks! Nylander dug and back checked. Nuf said.
I can't wait to inevitably say Steve was right about Tavares. But so far im not seeing it as bad as Steve does.
Refusing to shoot on a 3 on 1, and allowing the other team to set up and get a shot on net EVERY TIME THEY ENTER THE ZONE?
Stop this "goalied" bullshit.
Yes. That happened. That said, cant deny Igor was fantastic
Yep. 3on 1, if the player with the puck is on the wing he needs to shoot to the far corner of the net and if it doesn’t go in, let the other 2 drive the net for a rebound. Passing in that situation almost always gets broken up by the defenseman.
You know, old man sayings that Adam would say, CLASSIC LOLOLOL
The comment Steve made about Holmberg…..”if you don’t keep goals out and you don’t score that’s not good”. A once famous coach on HNIC had the best saying on this “If you don’t score , or you don’t hit , or you don’t fight ….What the hell are you doing out there?!” Side note: On the Rangers first goal where the puck hit the ref….Is it just me or are the Refs getting in the way a lot? Not only getting hit by the puck but getting caught in the middle of the play. Remember the good old days where Ron Finn would climb the boards six feet in the air hanging on top of the glass…..I know they can’t do that now the way the boards/glass are designed…..
Whenever the Steve's switch sides I question my entire life.
If that third line is going to work, Tavares needs wings that can hold the puck. He's the only scoring threat on the line, which means Robertson has to sit. The dude can not hold onto the puck. He's either bumped off or he loses it in his feet. He couldn't stick handle his way out of an empty rink. Tavares is ALWAYS a threat to score in front if his wingers get him the puck.
good job Steve bang on. either get greasy or prepare for being traded/released.
I bought the plushy!!
Tonight showed me one thing, this team even with Berube might not be able to beat the high level opponents you'll see in April. Incredibly disappointed in them tonight.
This is what happens when you pay a bunch of kiddos championship money and they've won nothing.. One round doesn't count. Early rewards for expectations.. not results.. That's just STEALING the DEPOSIT. Coach B's biggest job will be unfucking that mentality
It's early. Let them catch their stride.
@@aspalovin similar thing I noticed with the Cowboys in the NFL. Playing players like Dak and CeeDee who have also done jack in the playoffs and are currently doing jack in the regular season.
@@craigharrison5406 leafs have made me lose my sense of patience.
@@craigharrison5406 They've had since 2016
Igor out there showing why his team were Regular Seasons Champions last year.
Today I learned that the Minnesota Wild are undefeated! Thanks Gary Bettman!
The attitude problem is real, that's so on point. The thing with that is that it makes question putting the C on 34 even more. Best player, no question. Best captain? Heck no. Berube needs a guy on the inside, a driver of effort. That's not Matthews.
Oh and by the way, JT isn't that guy either.
Stupid. Matthew's effort is fine. Keeping Hyman would have been nice. Hyman-Matthews-Knies would be scary. They are all horses
@@saskk2290 Not saying Matthews effort isn't fine, just saying I doubt he's the captain the Leafs need right now. I'm not in that dressing room so I don't know, maybe 34 has grown. But Nylander saying "F-----' shoot it. Stop f-----' cryin', bro. This is the f-----' issue. You guys f-----' b---- about s---. Let's f-----' go!" indicates to me that maybe pinning the C on the best player instead of the best captain is the wrong move. I honestly don't know who would be better tho. If Reaves played a bigger role in the ice I think he would be more in line with what's needed from a captain right now. Might be a hot take, it is what it is. Either way, I'm more hopeful for the Leafs than I've been in a long while.
@jnsl1982 I simply don't think it's that important. Fodder for the media, but in the end, the team needs to come together, and peak at the right time. There is an element of luck involved
Hey Steve - do you plan on any book signing in GTA west? Love to come to one, but not interested in traveling to Toronto or East of TO.
Going from Richter to Lundqvist to Shesterkin is unfair
The Problem with this time of year EVERY EFFING YEAR WITH THE LEAFS IS "OH WE'RE ALL SICK" EXCUSE! in October November HELLOO? U PLAY IN FUCKING CANADA! ITS COLD HERE! GET SOME GOD DAMN ORANGE JUICE IN YA!
😂😂
it's gonna be so sweet when the leafs win the cup in 2027 and tavares is sitting on his couch, having missed the playoffs once more with the buffalo sabres.
Talk to me after Vasilevsky, Binnington, Elvis(?), Swayman, 4 games in 6 days with travel.
Key thing -- LEAFS MUST GET INFONT OF THE GOALIE ,,, take the eyes away , make it hard on the goalie!!!!
Rangers were in Stolarz face , all night ! We need some of that !
Not worried about the 1st or 4th lines sounds like watching the Boston forward group rn 😂
Adam would totally say that boat thing
Well put
The leafs D men need to start protecting stolarz like they are secret service members.
The sad realisation that this TOR team will NOT win a cup!
They need to answer the 4 forwards making over 11m will never win a cup question!
We need to stop doing what is not working, like passing through the middle. As for getting in the goalie's way, we need to do what we did against Tampa when we moved on to the second round and got in front and deflected. Also like last year we are missing the net way too many times. Time to get Max the Pac back in.
No worries - there is what about 120 games left in the season. Matthews will score 50+ goals, Nylander 40+ and Marner will have 100+ points and the Leafs will have 100+ points. There are no lessons early in the year - remember the Oilers last year. Not having a defence does not really matter in the regular season.
Time to throw out that amulet John
Will take longer than 5 games to get the warts out of this team. They look better defensively. Worse offensively. That comes with it.
I swear that was the shortest and longest 7 years of life
Please bring back the stiff pants walk to the intro. It’s all i ask in life
The crowd was entertained and loud.
“They go weeeeee!!” 😂😂
Im out on tavaras at anything other than 4th line center next year
steve on morgan rielly . . there are 2 rangers that he could take, he chose neither . . LOL . . . good video steve, one of your best
Strip Tavares of his captaincy and expect him to go out and play hard? You can’t be that delusional. Even Mathew’s is struggling to maintain his play. Every other player is going hard to work for a long term contract. The dressing room is a disaster.
This loss, which wasn’t as bad as the final score made it seem, was no big deal. Probably a good yardstick to measure the team by. The best goalie in hockey did a number on them, and they got flustered. Time to check in with that, re-boot themselves and go forward re-energized.
As you pointed out, the first NYR goal was greatly assisted by the referee being out of position and blocking a good clearing attempt, and the team was playing well. But the more Igor denied them, the more they tried too hard, and screwed up.
Good to get that out of the way, early. It won’t happen again under Berube.
$3m would be the max for Tavares tbh, like the Stamkos take it or leave it deal, except JT is at home already and probably doesn't want to uproot his kids for the final couple of years of his career
if the leafs were able to score on the PP it would be ok, but not even able to keep the puck in the O-zone with any man advantage was really defeating to see
You are right the Leafs should and could win at home for a place in the playoffs and for the fans also. Steve, you have a talent for entertainment. You have to talk on the sick podcast with Tony Maninaro.