Really nice! I recently acquired a 3b silversonic (late 67/early 68 provided s/n are correct at website)with the .508 bore and agree about this horn needing a little more attention for the partials. The horn wants to growl on its own in lower registers. I’ve managed to take a little “brightness” out of the timbre using a Schilke 52E2 for a more dark rich tone.
Hi Paul, thanks for putting up this video. I play a late 60s 3B silversonic and bought a mint mid 60s brass 3B that came along at a song only a week back. What I notice is the two are very different. In some ways quite opposite. The brass 3B is very open, a lot like a large bore feel and larger than some large bores. It doesn't have much back pressure at all. It has some almost highway size partials and certain notes really need to be placed such as the top Ab. It takes quite a bit of air too. And has a very easy top range, certainly to super Bb which is a sweet note and feels like you are standing on a bridge rather than a type rope. Easy pedals too. Now the 3BSS, is so different. Much tighter, a little less top range, tighter easier to hit partials, back pressure, more compact, and straight out of the case left me feeling I could take on the world, but was more a solo instrument than a section horn. I resonate with all your comments. The brass 3B is a keeper but it is not quite what I expected. To sum it up it almost feels too big for its own shoes and had me wanting a smaller mouthpiece to gain some back pressure and a little more control. Paul, thanks for your review.
Jimmy Pankow started with a Conn. When they recorded Carnegie Hall, he was playing a King 2B. Then the he moved to the King 3B Silver Sonic. I saw him play the 3B throughout the late 1970's, and the 1980's. In an interview maybe 15 years ago, he brought the 3B Silver Sonic and played it with piano accompaniment. It sounded great. I bought a King 3B based on hearing him play. I still play that horn 43 years later.
I think that's the best trombone sound I've ever heard you play on all your videos, it's warm, smooth and has superb definition. We also had a famous UK player who played one Don Lusher
Is that so? I know that Don Lusher played Conns early on (and nominally the B&H Sovereign later, then Yamaha 691) but I thought he played a 2B for most of his career, after handling Tommy Dorsey’s one on tour in 1956. But I did see on a chat board somewhere that someone claimed to own a 3b that belonged to him. Have you read somewhere that he played a 3b? In guess it would make sense given the range of his work.
@@PaulTheTrombonist Legend indeed. If you hear a trombone on a UK session recording from the 60s-80s, the chances are it would be DL - as various as the Muppet Show to John Barry’s Bond soundtracks. Played with him once - he did a lot of work with youth jazz orchestras in the UK.
Thank you of your video! The story itself was very interesting, and what you told about the sound and the background of this instrument was quite informative, too. I have King 3B with similar wooden box, from the sixties, but don't know the exact year. I am the third owner of this trombone in Finland, bought the instrument in the middle of the seventies, and what I know of it's earlier owner(s) is very little. Only that the first Finnish owner (half professional trombonist, jazz and classic musik) told that he bought it in the middle sixties from some famous player fom USA. It is still in very good, playable condition, and the slide is still working nicely. Only bigger problem nowadays is that I am already 74 yrs. Many listeners have told that they enjoyed very much of it's deep, smooth sound. Olli Nuosmaa, Finland
You are correct about the cracking. I had a 3B Concert trombone years ago and that might explain why I had troubles controlling the instrument. Thank you for your review
I have two H. N. White trombones from the 30’s I am crazy about. I tried all kinds of mouthpieces until inspiration struck and I just bought an H. N. White trombone mouthpiece. They are the best trombones I have ever played. My only wish is that I could afford a trigger one.
I'm a big fan of King Trombones. My very first one was a small bore student model Cleveland that I acquired back in 1965. I've probably had 30 Kings since. Currently play a 3B-F Silversonic and a large bore 4B-F.
Hi Paul, Kevin McAlley here..I played just on 1 bone a King Tempo(poor man's 2b) from 12 to 23 years old. All through High School and College. The 1964 and older King trombones do have a certain incredible sound. I would describe the difference you described about playing the 3B in your video as a difference in the slotting of the notes in all of the closer positions between the bell and 4th position. Every King bone I have played are fairly unforgiving of you are slightly off on your slide position for the note you are going for. The King will let you know if you are are in the wrong spot. They Tabb to be very unforgiving. On the otherhand...a trombone like my 1961 Reynolds Argernta is so "Flexible" with the so called a letting of the pitches in the slide positions...I had to really train myself and be super focused on the pitch I wanted. I call it just getting to know the trombone you are playing. Kevin McAlley
I know I am a little late to the party, but I bought one of the new 3B's about 5 years ago. It is called the legend series King 3B. It is interesting that you say the horn is unforgiving, because I agree with you whole heartily. I find I crack a lot of notes, in the upper register especially, because I am still learning how to play it. I started playing a King 606 as a beginner and it played good, but with this horn, I sound different. It has a very nice tone and I enjoy playing it very much. If you ever get your hands on a new one, I would love to see a video on it to get your take. Thank you very much for what you do!
In college big band jazz ensemble I played HN White 2b one year and King 3b silver sonic the next year. The 3b got me a compliment when I played a solo and the 2b when we played Stan Kenton charts. I never fully adjusted to the 3b silver sonic and traded it for Conn 6H which seemed easier to play. In concert band I played an 88H as 1st chair and found it easy to play. I feel guilty about never mastering the 3b and should have kept it.
Manglesdorf and Grachan Rancour, who just passed. Two art trombone players of great strength and description in their playing. I'm really looking forward to learning about the other King players you mentioned. Thank you.
Love the history. A bunch of stuff I didn't know! The engraving history might explain a GORGEOUS old alto sax my partner owns. Not sure old trombones have slides like "sandpaper" though. If you have even a very old Conn set up right, it'll feel pretty good, even for those of us used to a modern Edwards or whatever else.
I still have a King tenor I bought in 1963; same carrying box but its grey; my Bass trombone is a Bach Stradivarius which I also purchased brand new from H&H in 1990.- Mint condition!
Loved this. I have a later King 3B from the Conn-Selmer era which I bought back in 2003. My primary horn for decades was a Conn 88H from the early 1970s which gets a great orchestral and classical solo sound, and I actually learned to do some jazzy things on it along the way. The 3B needed much more delicate handling as far as carefully controlled air flow and articulation, but it gives me a much more jazzy tone quality. I think that the larger bore of the 3B is a better transition from a larger bore orchestral horn for someone who's been playing one for a long time. The slide didn't impress me, but an accident forced me to have it repaired and realigned by Chuck Ward, and that made it much much better.
Did you say sandpaper? I have a 100-year old H N White trombone--6 1/2" bell, tuning in the slide, and a bore smaller than my daughter's trumpet. Back in the day they didn't plate the inner slide tubes with chrome and it really makes a difference. Mine works only because of the hard work of the Slide Doctor.
I have a 1917 Buescher Grand that is similar. Love it but definitely have had better luck using trombotine than slide doctor to keep it moving. It likes the the thicker creamy grease.
I’d be curious to see you do a comparison between that one and a brand new one. I just ordered one and now I’m worried because you said they were very “unforgiving”. But I have a 2b which I love. Thanks Paul. I love your videos.
The only trombone I've ever owned is my 1992 King 3B that I purchased brand new... Straight from Eastlake to Academy music in Mayfield Hts, OH. I love it. I agree 100% with your assessment. As I get older, I'm thinking of picking up a vintage 2B. Thoughts?
cant go wrong with these horns. Good price point, feel, sound and the vintage will become more and more in demand as time goes on because they will become more and more rare
I had a 2B issued to me when I reported to my first Navy Band in 1978. I also got to use a 3B Silver Sonic for a while too. One of my bandmates was playing on a Duo Gravis that I thought was just like the 2 & 3Bs. I agree with you about the specific sound of the King trombones. The slides on them all are fantastic! For me, I don't really like that sound so I went with a different horn. But there's no question the ones I played were terrific horns.
@@PaulTheTrombonist yes It is nice for Jazz, Avantgarde and Symphonie like Anton Dvorak Nr 5. Or Bolero. Perhaps a little to weak for Brukner or Wagner Originals. I like the Music from Mangelsdorff, Ed Neumeister, Carl Fontana, Frank Rosolino, Bill Watrous, Andy Martin, Bob McChesney, Nils Wogram, Nils Landgren, Phil Wilson, Andreas Schickentanz, Michael Danner, Michael Hubertz ....
Cool! You are indeed right about the unforgiveness of the 3B. You have to be on top of your game to play those suckers. I played one many years ago in the Army Band. Probably the best horn I have ever played. It is very versatile. However now I play a Bach Stradivarius 16m, which has the same bore as a 3B but the bell is smaller. I would like to see you try out a 16M from the 70's! All in all, you sounded great
I just picked up a 1960’s vintage 3B on the marketplace for 75.00 in the coffin case with a Hamilton trombone stand. Lol. Gold lacquer. Couple of dings. Guess I’ll have it serviced and use it. Though I feel a little guilty about the price.
Atta boy mentioning Harold Betters , I was going to post that, he died not long ago at 92 yo …. I had suggested you interview him many years ago, he was a great player, but little known nationally because he was able to avoid touring making a good living locally.
I am lucky to have purchased a fantastic early 1960s 3b about a month ago. I am lucky to have both an early 60s Conn 6h and a much later vintage 48h. I watched your 6 h and 3b videos and completely agree with you on both. The 3b is different, but with some work can sound amazing. The 6h just rings!!! The 48h is sort of in between the 3b and 6h in terms of sound. Thanks for the great videos and phenomenal playing!! Will you be looking at a Bach 16 at any point?
Would love to see you play my 105 year old Buescher Grand LP (Low Pitch) jazz pea-shooter. Has such a smoother tone than the newer big bell standard trombones of the last 70 years.
What’s the most responsive trombone you’ve ever played or a few responsive trombones you know of. I play a very old 1937 2b that is extremely responsive it probably has something to do with the older metals.
@@PaulTheTrombonist Paul I am looking into a brand new BAC trombone what size bore do you play? I’d like something between a .500- .525 bore. I am also looking for lightning fast response yet ease of play. I am currently playing a king 2b with a worn out slide. I just love the sound of the BAC. I want something in that 3B range of a horn but with more ease of play. Give me a model number to consider. The thanks Paul.
I learnt to play on a 1980's 3B. Happy memories of playing in a local concert band and the sound I used get out of it. Moved more to Bass Trombone, so part exchanged to a 4B. Still own it 15 years later. Great instruments, but very unforgiving if your having a bad day 🤣.
@@PaulTheTrombonist Like you said with the 3B, if you get the buzz right it has an amazing sound. But if you are having an off day you can easily start splitting notes and misplacing them. I mainly play in Brass Bands these days and the sound easily matches those of bigger Bass Trombones when you absolutely nail it in the bottom register. Although on more technical pieces I miss out the bonus of an extra trigger. The slide is as super smooth as my old 3B was. Currently saving up to get it to look as good as it can sound. As it's 15 years of hard use are starting show.
Saddest day in my life... someone broke intro my car a stole my 3Bf silver sonic in the late 70s. Happy day was finding a 3B at the local pawn shop for $450.00. Immaculate condition. In between 3Bs I played my dad's 1937 E. K. Blessing...another wonderful horn that plays totally different than the 3B.
I loved the sound you were able to achieve on that 3B. I’d be interested in a comparison to the Sterling Silver bell, which is what mine is - Anniversary model 1893 to 1993. That 3B had a very consistent quality through the range. Another point is the mouthpiece. You’re using a DW Heritage 6BS? I would guess that most players of the 3B use something a bit smaller - Bach 11, Schilke 47, et al. The mouthpiece/horn combination can significantly alter the tone, projection, response, etc. It might be the reason for your comment regarding the embouchure/buzz?
@@PaulTheTrombonist - I’ve always felt that the King lead pipes responded like no other of the numerous horns I’ve played. It was the reason I preferred the 3B over the 16M. I tried several different mouthpieces on the 16M, too, including the Heritage 6BS. It’s an interesting phenomenon. Have you ever played a Bolero?
What about an early 40’s King Silvertone in sterling silver with gold wash on the bell, with 18k gold engraving of eagles on the bell? I think it’s a dual bore .485/4.95 with a 7.5” bell
When I was in regional band for high school, 11 years ago, the trombonist sitting next to me was playing that vintage horn in the symphonic band!!! She got it for like $100 on eBay and it was in mint condition except for a little bit of wear on the slide. That’s the only time I ever saw one of those Kings
I have played a 2B and a 3b, and this is what I have to say. The 3B is more open because of the straight bore, but the 2B is a little different because of the Dual bore I would even say a little stuffy for my taste. But that's just my opinion. But I find that my 16M (corporation model) is very responsive, especially in the upper register. I find it more easy to play than my 6H. As a matter of fact, I have fallen in love with my 16M. I understand why Bill Watrous played one for his entire career.
@@TheJunebug65 Thank you for your response. The 2B I own is a 1937 model straight bore 4.95 it was manufactured one year before they went to the dual bore 2b. My 2b is very responsive as noted above, it may have something to do with the metals back then compared to today’s metals but I’m not sure of that. Responsiveness is a pet peeve of mine I will demo the 16M. Thank you.
Hey Paul, I play a 3B currently but I’ve been struggling to find a good mouthpiece that works with it. I was going to try a Dennis Wick mouthpiece but I don’t know whether to get a 12cs or a 10cs. Which do you recommend I try?
@@PaulTheTrombonist I am currently using an older Vincent Bach 7, although it feels uncomfortable to play with and I feel like I have to work for the high notes where as on other mouthpieces I’ve played I can get them a little easier. I’m also looking for more of a bite for lead playing.
@@Chandler-pc7yh I’ve never used a 10 or 12cs . I play a 6bs and it allows me to play lead and section work , you can get a deal on wick mouthpiece if you use my promo code in description
@@PaulTheTrombonist I bought a King 3B 125th Anniversary edition recently and quite fond it. Then I bought an Olds Ambassador from the '50s for just 150 euro's haha and now I can't choose :) Silly how some beginner models are quite good. Sure its not perfect but it has its own personality.
@@PaulTheTrombonist I wish I had been that lucky when I bought mine, the factory rod was damaged every time I clean and lubricate it and release a liquid like black oil on the internal rod, I have tried all the lubricants there are for trombone and none solves my trombone, But hey, he has gotten me out of trouble at the conservatory even though he gave me problems like that but I had to settle for what I have
What do you think of how this one plays/ sounds?
Really nice! I recently acquired a 3b silversonic (late 67/early 68 provided s/n are correct at website)with the .508 bore and agree about this horn needing a little more attention for the partials. The horn wants to growl on its own in lower registers. I’ve managed to take a little “brightness” out of the timbre using a Schilke 52E2 for a more dark rich tone.
It sounds wonderful a thousand times better than many I have seen today
Hi Paul, thanks for putting up this video. I play a late 60s 3B silversonic and bought a mint mid 60s brass 3B that came along at a song only a week back. What I notice is the two are very different. In some ways quite opposite. The brass 3B is very open, a lot like a large bore feel and larger than some large bores. It doesn't have much back pressure at all. It has some almost highway size partials and certain notes really need to be placed such as the top Ab. It takes quite a bit of air too. And has a very easy top range, certainly to super Bb which is a sweet note and feels like you are standing on a bridge rather than a type rope. Easy pedals too. Now the 3BSS, is so different. Much tighter, a little less top range, tighter easier to hit partials, back pressure, more compact, and straight out of the case left me feeling I could take on the world, but was more a solo instrument than a section horn. I resonate with all your comments. The brass 3B is a keeper but it is not quite what I expected. To sum it up it almost feels too big for its own shoes and had me wanting a smaller mouthpiece to gain some back pressure and a little more control. Paul, thanks for your review.
@@briandugger4367 very cool
@@kenhughes3434 awesome, thanks for your insights. Very insightful and appreciated here 🙏
Jimmy Pankow started with a Conn. When they recorded Carnegie Hall, he was playing a King 2B. Then the he moved to the King 3B Silver Sonic. I saw him play the 3B throughout the late 1970's, and the 1980's. In an interview maybe 15 years ago, he brought the 3B Silver Sonic and played it with piano accompaniment. It sounded great. I bought a King 3B based on hearing him play. I still play that horn 43 years later.
I think that's the best trombone sound I've ever heard you play on all your videos, it's warm, smooth and has superb definition. We also had a famous UK player who played one Don Lusher
Thank you and good to know! Oh yes I know of Don Lusher absolute legend 🙌
Is that so? I know that Don Lusher played Conns early on (and nominally the B&H Sovereign later, then Yamaha 691) but I thought he played a 2B for most of his career, after handling Tommy Dorsey’s one on tour in 1956. But I did see on a chat board somewhere that someone claimed to own a 3b that belonged to him. Have you read somewhere that he played a 3b? In guess it would make sense given the range of his work.
@@PaulTheTrombonist Legend indeed. If you hear a trombone on a UK session recording from the 60s-80s, the chances are it would be DL - as various as the Muppet Show to John Barry’s Bond soundtracks.
Played with him once - he did a lot of work with youth jazz orchestras in the UK.
I dig the sound! With the reverb, it makes it harder to compare against other horns, but that sound is classic.
Thank you of your video! The story itself was very interesting, and what you told about the sound and the background of this instrument was quite informative, too. I have King 3B with similar wooden box, from the sixties, but don't know the exact year. I am the third owner of this trombone in Finland, bought the instrument in the middle of the seventies, and what I know of it's earlier owner(s) is very little. Only that the first Finnish owner (half professional trombonist, jazz and classic musik) told that he bought it in the middle sixties from some famous player fom USA. It is still in very good, playable condition, and the slide is still working nicely. Only bigger problem nowadays is that I am already 74 yrs. Many listeners have told that they enjoyed very much of it's deep, smooth sound. Olli Nuosmaa, Finland
You are correct about the cracking. I had a 3B Concert trombone years ago and that might explain why I had troubles controlling the instrument. Thank you for your review
I have two H. N. White trombones from the 30’s I am crazy about. I tried all kinds of mouthpieces until inspiration struck and I just bought an H. N. White trombone mouthpiece. They are the best trombones I have ever played. My only wish is that I could afford a trigger one.
Beautiful sound. I owned a Conn 3B with F attachment. This King has the similar smooth rich sound. I bought mine in 1967.
I'm a big fan of King Trombones. My very first one was a small bore student model Cleveland that I acquired back in 1965. I've probably had 30 Kings since. Currently play a 3B-F Silversonic and a large bore 4B-F.
Hi Paul, Kevin McAlley here..I played just on 1 bone a King Tempo(poor man's 2b) from 12 to 23 years old. All through High School and College. The 1964 and older King trombones do have a certain incredible sound. I would describe the difference you described about playing the 3B in your video as a difference in the slotting of the notes in all of the closer positions between the bell and 4th position. Every King bone I have played are fairly unforgiving of you are slightly off on your slide position for the note you are going for. The King will let you know if you are are in the wrong spot. They Tabb to be very unforgiving. On the otherhand...a trombone like my 1961 Reynolds Argernta is so "Flexible" with the so called a letting of the pitches in the slide positions...I had to really train myself and be super focused on the pitch I wanted. I call it just getting to know the trombone you are playing. Kevin McAlley
So true! Thanks for the insight
I know I am a little late to the party, but I bought one of the new 3B's about 5 years ago. It is called the legend series King 3B. It is interesting that you say the horn is unforgiving, because I agree with you whole heartily. I find I crack a lot of notes, in the upper register especially, because I am still learning how to play it.
I started playing a King 606 as a beginner and it played good, but with this horn, I sound different. It has a very nice tone and I enjoy playing it very much. If you ever get your hands on a new one, I would love to see a video on it to get your take. Thank you very much for what you do!
In college big band jazz ensemble I played HN White 2b one year and King 3b silver sonic the next year. The 3b got me a compliment when I played a solo and the 2b when we played Stan Kenton charts. I never fully adjusted to the 3b silver sonic and traded it for Conn 6H which seemed easier to play. In concert band I played an 88H as 1st chair and found it easy to play. I feel guilty about never mastering the 3b and should have kept it.
Manglesdorf and Grachan Rancour, who just passed. Two art trombone players of great strength and description in their playing. I'm really looking forward to learning about the other King players you mentioned. Thank you.
Love the history. A bunch of stuff I didn't know! The engraving history might explain a GORGEOUS old alto sax my partner owns. Not sure old trombones have slides like "sandpaper" though. If you have even a very old Conn set up right, it'll feel pretty good, even for those of us used to a modern Edwards or whatever else.
I have a 105 year old Buescher. Definitely not as smooth a slide as my newer king but still a far stretch better than sandpaper!!
I still have a King tenor I bought in 1963; same carrying box but its grey; my Bass trombone is a Bach Stradivarius which I also purchased brand new from H&H in 1990.- Mint condition!
Wow! Sweeet 🙌
@@PaulTheTrombonist You have a great sound!
@@bobboscarato1313 thank you 🙏
Loved this. I have a later King 3B from the Conn-Selmer era which I bought back in 2003. My primary horn for decades was a Conn 88H from the early 1970s which gets a great orchestral and classical solo sound, and I actually learned to do some jazzy things on it along the way. The 3B needed much more delicate handling as far as carefully controlled air flow and articulation, but it gives me a much more jazzy tone quality. I think that the larger bore of the 3B is a better transition from a larger bore orchestral horn for someone who's been playing one for a long time. The slide didn't impress me, but an accident forced me to have it repaired and realigned by Chuck Ward, and that made it much much better.
Awesome comment, thank you 🙏
Did you say sandpaper? I have a 100-year old H N White trombone--6 1/2" bell, tuning in the slide, and a bore smaller than my daughter's trumpet. Back in the day they didn't plate the inner slide tubes with chrome and it really makes a difference. Mine works only because of the hard work of the Slide Doctor.
very interesting to know. thank you!
Yes I think the chrome and the lightwight Slides makes the big difference. Was ist the wrong material for this.
I have a 1917 Buescher Grand that is similar. Love it but definitely have had better luck using trombotine than slide doctor to keep it moving. It likes the the thicker creamy grease.
another famous trombonist who played the King 3B was Barry Rogers ( he played with 3BF)
I’d be curious to see you do a comparison between that one and a brand new one. I just ordered one and now I’m worried because you said they were very “unforgiving”. But I have a 2b which I love. Thanks Paul. I love your videos.
Congratulations. It seems that the instrument even plays on its own, it's so perfect...
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The only trombone I've ever owned is my 1992 King 3B that I purchased brand new... Straight from Eastlake to Academy music in Mayfield Hts, OH. I love it. I agree 100% with your assessment. As I get older, I'm thinking of picking up a vintage 2B. Thoughts?
cant go wrong with these horns. Good price point, feel, sound and the vintage will become more and more in demand as time goes on because they will become more and more rare
I had a 2B issued to me when I reported to my first Navy Band in 1978. I also got to use a 3B Silver Sonic for a while too. One of my bandmates was playing on a Duo Gravis that I thought was just like the 2 & 3Bs. I agree with you about the specific sound of the King trombones. The slides on them all are fantastic! For me, I don't really like that sound so I went with a different horn. But there's no question the ones I played were terrific horns.
Nice, I gotta try the duo Gravis
Thanks u have that nice flow when u start on the bottom an come your lips note flow, 👌
I using 3b ss early 60 and 3b+ from 1981
Both Instruments are awesom in Sound and Slide. Better than every others.
Awesome! Is 3b+ .525 bore and gold brass bell?
@@PaulTheTrombonist
yes
It is nice for Jazz, Avantgarde and Symphonie like Anton Dvorak Nr 5. Or Bolero.
Perhaps a little to weak for Brukner or Wagner Originals.
I like the Music from Mangelsdorff, Ed Neumeister, Carl Fontana, Frank Rosolino, Bill Watrous, Andy Martin, Bob McChesney, Nils Wogram, Nils Landgren, Phil Wilson, Andreas Schickentanz, Michael Danner, Michael Hubertz ....
Cool! You are indeed right about the unforgiveness of the 3B. You have to be on top of your game to play those suckers. I played one many years ago in the Army Band. Probably the best horn I have ever played. It is very versatile. However now I play a Bach Stradivarius 16m, which has the same bore as a 3B but the bell is smaller. I would like to see you try out a 16M from the 70's! All in all, you sounded great
Thanks for the insights! Yes would love to demo a 16m 🙏
Actually, the Bach 16M has a .508 bore, and the 3B has a .509 bore. I own both, but could never get the projection or focused quality from the Bach.
I just picked up a 1960’s vintage 3B on the marketplace for 75.00 in the coffin case with a Hamilton trombone stand. Lol. Gold lacquer. Couple of dings. Guess I’ll have it serviced and use it. Though I feel a little guilty about the price.
Atta boy mentioning Harold Betters , I was going to post that, he died not long ago at 92 yo …. I had suggested you interview him many years ago, he was a great player, but little known nationally because he was able to avoid touring making a good living locally.
Sad I missed him
Thank you, Paul. Smooth Baby!
Sounds nice!! Jimmy Pankow used to play a 3b
ah yes! I should of remembered
Yes and the one I saw him play was a Silver Sonic 3B
Beautiful sound but wondering if the reverb is disguising some tone? Just curious what it would sound like without reverb
Thanks, I’ll do a vid without the reverb soon
I love my early 70s 3b. It even survived 3 years in West Africa.
Solid durable horns! 🙌
I am lucky to have purchased a fantastic early 1960s 3b about a month ago. I am lucky to have both an early 60s Conn 6h and a much later vintage 48h.
I watched your 6 h and 3b videos and completely agree with you on both. The 3b is different, but with some work can sound amazing. The 6h just rings!!! The 48h is sort of in between the 3b and 6h in terms of sound.
Thanks for the great videos and phenomenal playing!!
Will you be looking at a Bach 16 at any point?
Would love to see you play my 105 year old Buescher Grand LP (Low Pitch) jazz pea-shooter. Has such a smoother tone than the newer big bell standard trombones of the last 70 years.
I would really like you to do a review of the vintage 4B versus 3B.
What’s the most responsive trombone you’ve ever played or a few responsive trombones you know of. I play a very old 1937 2b that is extremely responsive it probably has something to do with the older metals.
My BAC and a Williams of the ones I’ve played this far in my life
@@PaulTheTrombonist Paul I am looking into a brand new BAC trombone what size bore do you play? I’d like something between a .500- .525 bore. I am also looking for lightning fast response yet ease of play. I am currently playing a king 2b with a worn out slide. I just love the sound of the BAC. I want something in that 3B range of a horn but with more ease of play. Give me a model number to consider. The thanks Paul.
@@pebblebeach8517 I am a fan of .500 bore trombones. I would look into their paseo model
We like t bones , but we lov Paul . Thanks , if u do a show sometime let us know would lov to here u live 😘
I learnt to play on a 1980's 3B. Happy memories of playing in a local concert band and the sound I used get out of it. Moved more to Bass Trombone, so part exchanged to a 4B. Still own it 15 years later. Great instruments, but very unforgiving if your having a bad day 🤣.
Nice, how does the 4b play?
@@PaulTheTrombonist Like you said with the 3B, if you get the buzz right it has an amazing sound. But if you are having an off day you can easily start splitting notes and misplacing them. I mainly play in Brass Bands these days and the sound easily matches those of bigger Bass Trombones when you absolutely nail it in the bottom register. Although on more technical pieces I miss out the bonus of an extra trigger. The slide is as super smooth as my old 3B was. Currently saving up to get it to look as good as it can sound. As it's 15 years of hard use are starting show.
@@GeneralAccident1976 very cool, thanks for the insight 🙌
What mouthpiece are you using. What do you reccomend?
Steve Wiest played both a regular and a silversonic 3b when he played in the 1’Oclick back in the 80s
Nice , thank you
Thanks Paul for all the great info. Nick Finzer plays a 3B also. He also has a RUclips channel that is well worth checking out.
Oh yeah , he is great
Jimmy Pankow played a 3B Silversonic during several years while with Chicago.
Hey Todd! I wish I remembered to put him in this video. thanks for the comment
Saddest day in my life... someone broke intro my car a stole my 3Bf silver sonic in the late 70s.
Happy day was finding a 3B at the local pawn shop for $450.00. Immaculate condition.
In between 3Bs I played my dad's 1937 E. K. Blessing...another wonderful horn that plays totally different than the 3B.
I loved the sound you were able to achieve on that 3B. I’d be interested in a comparison to the Sterling Silver bell, which is what mine is - Anniversary model 1893 to 1993.
That 3B had a very consistent quality through the range. Another point is the mouthpiece. You’re using a DW Heritage 6BS? I would guess that most players of the 3B use something a bit smaller - Bach 11, Schilke 47, et al. The mouthpiece/horn combination can significantly alter the tone, projection, response, etc. It might be the reason for your comment regarding the embouchure/buzz?
Ya I’d love to try the SS. I’m not sure as no other horn of similar size of 3b had that issue using same mp set up
@@PaulTheTrombonist - I’ve always felt that the King lead pipes responded like no other of the numerous horns I’ve played. It was the reason I preferred the 3B over the 16M. I tried several different mouthpieces on the 16M, too, including the Heritage 6BS. It’s an interesting phenomenon.
Have you ever played a Bolero?
Great video Paul. Does anyone know how to identify what year is a king with the serial number?
The hn white website has a section
NICE TROMBON, I NEED ONE
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I've always wanted to play a trombone ☹️.
Awesome video thanks
Thanks for watching
You should bring on a King 4b/4bF Those are awesome horns!
Wow! 🙌✅
I think Steve Turre played a 3b while in Woody Shaw's band.
What about an early 40’s King Silvertone in sterling silver with gold wash on the bell, with 18k gold engraving of eagles on the bell? I think it’s a dual bore .485/4.95 with a 7.5” bell
wow sounds fun! ill try to find one
When I was in regional band for high school, 11 years ago, the trombonist sitting next to me was playing that vintage horn in the symphonic band!!! She got it for like $100 on eBay and it was in mint condition except for a little bit of wear on the slide. That’s the only time I ever saw one of those Kings
I think that might be a 2b
how much do you want for that slide?
lol , I’m holding on to this one 😂
Sell all of your other horns...just play that one! Top to bottom it sounds beautiful!
Sounds to me like the reverb was higher than previous horns?
Ya was an accident . Noticed after recording
Wonder if there’s a huge difference between the King 2B & 3b? Maybe down the road you can demo both side by side. ( btw: awesome play today 😀
Coming soon stay tuned!
Thank you btw
I have played a 2B and a 3b, and this is what I have to say. The 3B is more open because of the straight bore, but the 2B is a little different because of the Dual bore I would even say a little stuffy for my taste. But that's just my opinion. But I find that my 16M (corporation model) is very responsive, especially in the upper register. I find it more easy to play than my 6H. As a matter of fact, I have fallen in love with my 16M. I understand why Bill Watrous played one for his entire career.
@@TheJunebug65 nice insights
@@TheJunebug65 Thank you for your response. The 2B I own is a 1937 model straight bore 4.95 it was manufactured one year before they went to the dual bore 2b. My 2b is very responsive as noted above, it may have something to do with the metals back then compared to today’s metals but I’m not sure of that. Responsiveness is a pet peeve of mine I will demo the 16M. Thank you.
Mic Gillette (3B), Tower of Power
Hey Paul, I play a 3B currently but I’ve been struggling to find a good mouthpiece that works with it. I was going to try a Dennis Wick mouthpiece but I don’t know whether to get a 12cs or a 10cs. Which do you recommend I try?
What mouthpiece are you currently using?
@@PaulTheTrombonist I am currently using an older Vincent Bach 7, although it feels uncomfortable to play with and I feel like I have to work for the high notes where as on other mouthpieces I’ve played I can get them a little easier. I’m also looking for more of a bite for lead playing.
@@Chandler-pc7yh I’ve never used a 10 or 12cs . I play a 6bs and it allows me to play lead and section work , you can get a deal on wick mouthpiece if you use my promo code in description
@@PaulTheTrombonist is it a v-cup or a bowl cup?
@@Chandler-pc7yh it’s the heritage series
The case only is reason enough to buy it haha.
Alligator!
@@PaulTheTrombonist I bought a King 3B 125th Anniversary edition recently and quite fond it. Then I bought an Olds Ambassador from the '50s for just 150 euro's haha and now I can't choose :) Silly how some beginner models are quite good. Sure its not perfect but it has its own personality.
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I ned a one new trombone, my first trombone is chinesse
There are some good ones from China actually
@@PaulTheTrombonist I wish I had been that lucky when I bought mine, the factory rod was damaged every time I clean and lubricate it and release a liquid like black oil on the internal rod, I have tried all the lubricants there are for trombone and none solves my trombone, But hey, he has gotten me out of trouble at the conservatory even though he gave me problems like that but I had to settle for what I have