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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on RUclips. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on RUclips, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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Reza caught Patrick dead to rights when he asked "Are you asking better for me personally, or better for Iran?" because the upshot of the PBD podcast's individualist lens is that, on issue after issue, personal benefit gets conflated with general good. A lot of self-help is like this, cloaking the competitive nature of what it sells in a way that lets every customer think they can be the one to succeed.
Was reading your comment as I started to listen. Haven’t heard anything yet. David palm and absolute shredding of Reza year ago makes me have a personal bias against anything reza, but hopefully I’ll be able to put that aside.
The idiot on the left argues like a kindergartner. He is projecting MEGA hard when he kept asking Reza "are you really that naive?" So cringeworthy 😬
I have seen some barely debate debates but this guy just doesn't listen and don't wanna get counter points. He just didn't wanna hear how shah killed so many because that didn't fit his conclusion.
@@Tuonela0 He's the kind of guy who wants to be bullshitted about the shah and American foreign policy. Everything is myopic in his mind, Iran bad, America good. Reza had him pegged as a nostalgia blinded fool.
Riiight, but a nation is made of individuals, and the aggregate effect of a lot of individuals doing well for themselves is, by definition, general good.
Not entirely dissenting with you. I absolutely take your point (as I understand it), and agree with the sentiment. ✌️
Mossadegh was not a communist. He did however, allow all viewpoints to be heard, including communists in Iran at the time, which is why you'll often hear conservative minded people say he was a communist. He was a greater believer in free speech than the USA.
It was the British that really hated them
Doesn't matter, the communist party in Iran (Tudeh) was started by Stalin and was instrumental in sending the country back 1400 years by facilitating the revolution. But they were hilariously incompetent as the mullahs threw them away like used condoms 😂😂
He had the *NERVE* to believe that Iran's OIL belonged to Iran's PEOPLE.
😜😜
He also had the backing of the Communist Party in Iran during that time because of his openness
The way Reza takes control of the conversation is everything I've wanted from a PBD interview
Dude on the left screen is using every debate tactic in the book and somehow it's clear that he has no idea how to use any of the dishonest tactics. He's like a really bad lawyer. Yeah, he passed the Bar but he loses every case.
I agree, guy clearly has brain worms and continually spouts same right wing Fox News talking points about pulling yourself up by bootstrap and freedom and individualism while ignoring the systemic oppression that makes bootstrapping obsolete and useless
Yup, I've seen some of his other debates and when he's getting owned, he starts to throw little jabs to try and get under his guest's skin to throw them off. I just watched the whole podcast and Pat tries and does that to Reza also but Reza doesn't take the bait... but I've seen some of his other guests take the bait and so it appears that just because they get triggered, and Pat remains calm- it appears that Pat is winning the debate. His pea brain followers eat it up too because they can't see past the BS.
Crypto scammer
@D Well if Iran was able to get back into the nuclear deal the people would be better off. More countries would be willing to trade and trade brings cultural influence which can cause a massive change in government. The government knows it can only kill so many of it's own people before it can't run anymore.
@D The Iran Nuclear Deal is to make sure they don't acquire nuclear weapons in exchange for sanctions to be lifted. Currently, there is no deal so they have all the reason to build nukes which is bad.
PBD stated a week ago that, the Minimum Wage is Socialist; and Australia as well as every other developed Country is "Socialist".
He also did a whole video on how we, as Americans, don't deserve Social Security when we retire.
@@IamLegend32 Right, so he might be a successful buisnessman, but there are a lot of political and social issues he does not have a good grasp on.
@@IamLegend32 it's a shit system but ya we do "pay in"
It seems Pat forgot everything he learned during Kyle's debate 😂
Pat doesn't learn anything, he just digs deeper into his crazy ideas.
As an Iranian, this wasn't even a good debate. You can't call the Iranian government murderous while you also say you support the US government. That was the elephant in the room and none of them mentioned it. This debate only brought further light into Ben Patrick David's low IQ.
Exactly, don’t bother with Americans. The blood on their hands blinds them from the mass murder they have committed and still commit. Biggest terrorists on the planet 🇺🇸
A strange way to debate when you have to pull out the "Ok you can't say that so just pick one of the options you hate so I can make it seem like I have the right position" tactic.
It's a stupid game that is deceitfully framed to make the one asking the questions seem correct. What's shameful is that this debate tactic works on people.
If you watch enough of this Patrick guy, you'll see that it's all he does.. And it's amazing reading the comments and seeing how his followers just eat it up and act like he just gave a masterclass on how to debate-how he "owned" the guy he was debating.
@@IamLegend32 he's awful, proof that in america all you have to do is talk loudly and confidently and people will believe whatever you say, watching him try to interview a scientist told me everything I needed to know about his intelligence level
@@caspar_gomez 💯!
PBD's like that sigma quintillionaire grindset meme personified lol
He's such a standard conservative boomer with the most standard stale red-pill talking points. It's almost like a AI bot analyzed the republican portion of the internet and then spit out the PBD podcast.
@@Staffer8 It's because he see's anyone that is non-centrist as some bizarre kindred spirit, even if they're on the right because "they're anti-establishment bro!". He probably holds these PBD podcast weirdos in higher esteem than someone like Sam Harris.
PBD is the living archetype of Spiral Dynamics stage Orange level of psychological development.
Life Theme: Accumulate material abundance, individual freedom, and grab opportunities.
Life Philosophy: I am responsible for my own wealth, and that is why I develop my skills. I think, therefore I exist.
As an Iranian who was in Iran just 2 months before the recent events, I really feel Patrick 's and Reza's opinions, while respectable are both made through the western comfortable neo liberal lens. They are way out of touch with the ways the politics and business are done in Iran. The Elites in the West and Iran have helped each other grow and survive more than you know. At this point the hostility between the two nation is only around to make the average citizen either suffer or paranoid in order to keep the current system going.
The correct position on Iran is to remove all sanctions for a good oil deal and stop western liberal virtue signalling about hijabs.
do you think that some part of iranian society, still supports the regime ? And, if this is the case, are these mostly lower middle class and conservative iranians from smaller towns like Qom and isfahan ?
@@vijayiyer8518 conservative estimate, Barely 10-15%. Shady AF Ruling Elites and whoever they can buy.
@@kasrakhatir thanks
@@vijayiyer8518 Most Iranians Support the Government the "Protests" which were in fact Riots and Terrorism already ended, what you have here is whole sale Media Manipulation in the West in Relation to Iran, as well as Whole Sale Censorship of the Iranian Government side on the Media and Internet, the Algorithm boosted this Agenda, while this Algorithm takes down any content Critical of Israel, This is another Western Manufactured Agenda.
PBD: “What do you prefer: being drunk or being hungover?”
what if i wanna be sober?
PBD: You can't! you have to choose! ... kinda feels childish, i think its called false dilemma
like selecting between stage 4 kidney illness and cancer. It's pitiful. This moron PBD immigrated to America, was fortunate to succeed, and now he wants to take the rights of a different unfortunate citizen.
@@Kongohh and one always comes before the other
I watched the entire PBD podcast episode where Kyle was the guest. This Patrick guy and his friends constantly offer false equivalencies as their guest's only choices in a debate, and then suck each other off as genius winners when said guest(s) refuse to debate fantasy over reality. These megalomaniacs' tactics are not only intellectually lazy, these behaviors actually nullify any notion that they are having debate at all. I'm not sure that they actually understand what the meaning of the term "debate" is if they so blatantly frame their arguments outside of the premises the term requires...and so they just keep doing this every episode. I don't understand why they're not being challenged on the root issue - the inherent fallacies on which they frame their arguments?
Yes , I'm sure they did work hard to get where they are at, but because they're in their current positions they live in a meritocracy in their own head. Their egos are insufferably and falsely huge and, again, became inflated as such under a completely false narrative. They assume that only their hard work led to their current success - there is no consideration in their minds that there were innumerable other factors in the universe that may have helped them get there. Oh no, indeed they are demonstrably superior human beings and everyone else should just shut up and take their talking to. Therefore, those who don't are in their lowly positions solely because of their own actions or inactions. These blowhards don't even consider the fact that to keep society functioning it is a requirement of reality itself that the vast majority of the population be the workers. How could you be successful in a business if everyone can be a business owner by the sheer power of being willing to work hard? Who's going to keep those businesses functioning if everyone has a business and no one works for those businesses? Their theories and mindset of "facts" are so easily shattered by only a rudimentary explanation of grade school mathematics!
Someone needs to tell that PBD guy to stop doing debates. He’s embarrassing himself.
@@lachezarvanchev I think he needs to keep doing them for the same reason, his ideas are limited ( for some embarrassing). Such ideas exist out there and need to be flushed out fully so that such limited thoughts & conclusions don't get to lay there dormant, hardening into beliefs.
Many people never think on subjects another way because their thoughts are not challenged, invigorated or refreshed.
New, different or better information isn't offered in their circles & they are reading or mentally allowing only what reinforces or agrees with their initial take on a given topic.
Ignorance is only bliss when left unchallenged.
@Dilshad My post was for another topic & guest, on your topic you have the floor & others can weigh in.
I thought I posted on the topic of Bernie with guest Kyle Kulinski.
Cheers
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Facts
@@lachezarvanchevWell in his defense, like Joe Rogan, he says he isn’t that smart.
Reza killed it here.
I don't see how anyone cannot takeaway from this debate Reza killed it. He had ALL the *nondebatable* facts on his side, while Patrick just shat out low iq talking points and took info out of context. I've been saying for years, there is no rational opposition to the JCPOA, because it always circles back to the imperialist answer: Iran is evil, and we should destroy them.
We only negotiate with countries that like us . Snake thing when it come to cubs I hear people say we don’t do business with a communist country . I say what about China and they are dumb enough to say different kind of communism
NIAC scum can't do shit, let alone kill
@D I believe that while I’m sure many things are bad because of the current regime that things are also bad because of the economic sanctions that have been forced onto Iran by the United States. I also don’t believe that any government that is going to force a French style secularism like the Shah or an extremist Islamic interpretation of Sharia is going to be good for Iran. In my husband’s Muslim country there are not these types of draconian rules forced on women’s dress and the majority of women there choose to wear hijab. I have talked to Iranians in the past in college about their countries but unfortunately they think that the West is somehow this perfect paradise when I, personally, believe Iran should look within and create a government that works for Iran.
@D I wish I could do more. We all support the people of Iran. Keeping you all in my dua.
He keeps calling him naive because he has nothing to back up what he says or why he thinks that way.
Exactly my friend
he's so embarassing like every 8 seconds he kept saying "you'Re nAivee"
He explained the naïveté later in the 30 min debate. Kyle didn’t include that.
@@richardscerbo1926 and what was that explanation?
@@richardscerbo1926 So, what was it?
The thing is Mohammad Mosaddegh wasn't a communist or even a leftist. He was a centre position politician who actually hated communism.
*"Edit: My point is even with a centrist leader who was willing to work with capitalists like the US and UK he still didn't stand a chance because in the mind of impirialists like US and UK Mosaddegh was still too far 'left'.
Thank you for mentioning this.
Muslim leaders tend to not be Communist because atheism was a big part of Communist ideology
Kyle always messes this up when he brings up Mossadegh
Yeah it was the British intelligence that fabricated that
His beliefs are irrelevant as he was of Qajar blood, who most likely intended to get his filthy clan back in formal power.
I've really tried to like Patrick Bet-David, but he just rubs me as kind of a phony. I can't put my finger on it, but something about him seems insincere and contrived. Does anyone else experience this?
i get the vibe that hes just another stuck-up rich dude. he was a pretty hardcore trump supporter
There definitely is something insincere about him besides the fact that he runs a pyramid scheme. He comes off as fake it till you make it.
Same, he's got some of that snakeoil-salesman-vibe going on. On the other hand I have to give him that his interviews are good. And I think he's reasonably good faith for a right winger
Nah. His background checks out and he’s been pretty consistent on his positions over the past few years. I don’t really get that vibe from him 🤷🏾♂️
He’s a scammer and a con-artist. Trust your instincts on this one. Google him a bit and you’ll find the details.
Loving this thing that Kyle is going on other podcasts. He ran circles around PBD podcasters IMHO.
I dislike Kyle but he done pretty good I guess
Credit to Kyle and glad he went on but those guys had no idea what they were talking about as far as politics. While Kyle was citing studies every point that main dude made was some stupid anecdote based on his family values. Not to mention, saying Trump "opposed the swamp" as if his entire presidency didn't happen.
He didn’t run circles around anyone, he has no legs
the new blonde Kyle stops the video like every 15 seconds
@@jamesjackson2434 Kyle citing that alot of people have credit card debt and live paycheck to paycheck , doesn't tell you the how and the why and the solutions . Anybody can cite random polls and studies that just give a surface level picture of the problem . Btw.....Even republicans were obstructing Trump during his administration ....when you have all the intelligence agencies and both parties going after you...that doesn't make you apart of the swamp.
I loved watching Kyle on PBD because he was able to reason with such ignorance which is now even more obvious. My god the people who have influence in this world without having any idea or education on the history or context of the things they are talking about is legitimately scary.
And they end up becoming president, too.
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They could say the same thing about you. No one runs to communism or socialism..... Remember that.
@@willisnegron9954 socialized healthcare in every OECD country...except the US. Who doesn't run to socialism? 🤔🙄
Yes, I totally agree. I actually wrote a comment under one of PBD’s videos. I can’t believe that people like him have so much influence. We really need to teach logical reasoning in schools, otherwise people will listen to guys like PBD.
Take a shot every time he says "you're being naive"
My liver tells you fuck no 🤣🤣
@@bilalc4415 dang, tell your liver that he's a poopyhead.
🤣🤣
He's basically saying *"FAKE NEWS".*
Britain had desired to overthrow Mossadegh after the nationalization of Anglo-Iranian Oil. They came to the US for help, but the Truman administration wouldn't go along with a coup.
Eisenhower was elected that year and agreed with British Prime Minister Churchill to work together. They both pressured the Shah into dismissing Mossadegh and installing a friendly prime minister.
So, the facts show once again that it makes a difference who sits in the White House.
Truman was really a morally upright man and president
I've just discovered u Kyle as of late and I'm very happy I did! Great work kyle.
Don’t get too exited, Kyle, far too often runs cover for Democrats and spends far too much time talking about Trump.
Check out Jimmy Dore, Jackson Hinkle, Redacted, Convo Couch if your looking for enlightenment.
Don’t listen to @maccon1
@@EventualWarlord Nah they can't be serious😂
@@maccon1 😂😂😂😂😂
@@maccon1 Jimmy Dore? Don't listen to this guy. lmao
I really hope Kyle does this more often. I watch the PBD Podcast regularly and they have some really bad takes with little to no push back.
Why do you watch it out of interest? What’s the appeal? (Not saying there isn’t on I’m just curious)
@@thejfoshow1320I used to watch PBD just so see how wrong, ignorant, selfish, arrogant a person can be. It's fascinating how people conflate financial success/wealth, influence with intelligence. His podcast would pop up on my feed and from just reading the headlines, I would sometimes click on the videos just to see how disingenuous and the ridiculous ways he can frame or spin things to fit his delusional narratives. It was entertaining for a bit until it became nauseating.
I starting watching it early for the financial advice but once it became a podcast they would bring interesting guests from time to time and I would listen for the guests perspective. But Patrick Bet David is such a fake 🙄 he gets really annoying with constant anecdotes and personal stories to try and win debates which can get really tired really quickly.
@@jesseaguirre7616 anecdotal evidence is the weakest type of evidence lol
Maybe that’s a sign that you should stop watching it.
These dudes were rooting for Andrew Tate...like hours after he was arrested.
That's who these dudes are.
I saw the "3 levels of bullies" argument PBD did. His two cohosts even said bullies are ones who pick on the weakest. That's pretty much it. They're cowards who cower when they get someone or groups who stand up to them.
Bullies don't "give respect". And, in a capitalist society... bullies work for the government, not the private sector? Really? The biggest bullies are the oligarchs, because they look down on everyone, and prey on those they view as the weakest every day. It's also why they absolutely do not want workers organizing unions, because they're scared shitless of unions.
Between that bit, and when Richard Wolff went on his podcast to explain socialism, PBD thought Hillary supporters were leftists 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
PBD isn't smart. Or at the very least, he suffers from Dunning Kruger syndrome failing to realize what he doesn't know. Probably both.
Yup, PBD and his co-hosts are flat out nut jobs. Kyle needs to stop calling PBD and his podcast right "leaning." They are full blown MAGAts.
@@jamesrh9193 right. Hes rich. Of course he's going to be oblivious. He doesn't care. That is the problem I have for the rich. They made it. So screw everyone who hasn't.
Great seeing you on POD podcast. Good stuff!
The simple fact that no matter what you say, Patrick is going to tell you, you're dishonest, naïve or don't understand, is exactly why I no longer bother debating tribalist. Hats off to you Kyle. I have read some of the comments of your debate and indeed you HAVE planted some seeds.
Reza is such a badass in debate
We need to go over to the video and comment our support for Reza’s position.
CHARGE
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PBD does have a nostalgia for the Shah because he had a huge Mural commissioned with him AND the Shah in it with Formula 1 Driver Sienna, Tupac, JFK, MLK, EINSTEIN, libertarian economist MILTON Friedman, and Abraham Lincoln all discussing the Communist Manifesto and Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
The Shah was objectively better than what came after him. Anyone still calling him a "brutal" dictator is either a regime bot or slave parrot regurgitating propaganda.
Photo?
Excellent content & coverage. Thanks Kyle!
I love how he goes "let's exclude the guy the US coup'd" 🤣🤣🤣
Just on overthrowing the Iranian government. They didn't install the Shah, the Shah was already there. In fact, "Shah" is just the Persian word for "King". Iran was set up like the UK; a constitutional monarchy with power invested in an elected parliament and a monarch that has largely ceremonial powers. What happened was Britain and America overthrew the elected Prime Minsiter and let a military general take the office in the '53 Coup, and the Shah consolidated his power
Kyle should read "All the Shah's Men". It goes into the history of that in detail.
The shahs hadn't been the real power for a while I thought? Britain has propped up many unpopular leaders due to beingore inline with their goals.
The Shah had actually fled the country though, because the first coup attempt failed and the police were looking for him. A few days later, the coup plotters tried again and brought him back to power.
@@benallen6888 thanks for the info
@@farhadchaudhry A fascinating book. I wrote a paper on it. As a military veteran who served in the middle east, it confirmed some of the ideas I had about the complicity and duplicity of what goes on behind closed doors of powers in the world.
Patrick is basically using The Colbert Report rationale where Stephen goes with his gut feeling over any facts or proof. Man, I miss The Colbert Report.
Iran to the comments section.
Iran..... Iran so far aawwaaaaryyy-Eeeee-Aaaayyyy
It’s "IR-AN" so sorry the joke doesn’t work
@@morenitomoreno1282 no likes a party pooper
@@Just_Crushing Lol It just reminded me of the angry Iranian journalist at the World Cup.
So you’re asking which is better? A murderous monarchy or a murderous religious government?
both!
The thing is, the Shah( king) was not murderous! It’s like saying it over and over and just accept it as a Fact! When you have Terrorists like these hardline Mullahs, and they get executed in jail because they have been doing burning or burning a Cinema Teather for example, can you call it murderous? First you have to see if the Shah was murderous at all or not, then accept it as a label Fact and go on with it! It’s what Reza is doing here! Shah even left the country when he realized people don’t want him, he caught everyone by surprise! He didn’t killed to stay in power unlike these Mullahs who execute 1000 people per year alone!
Loved your pbd appearance
I appreciate your thoughtful responses.
PBD frames Qs and scenarios like a child. I watch it all the time and critique him all the time.
i saw kyle droppin truth on that podcast.
Love the new direction you've taken Kyle. Keep it up!
Patrick is the traditional sense of an sellout. A man who makes hundreds of millions of dollars in state which is run by a government which he ironically put of a pedestal for apparent reasons to keep his lifestyle which also has a poor track record not only it's foreign policy (in fact far worse) but domestic as well which also had a significant hand in the domestic issues of his ancestral homeland. It's really laughable
PBD never answered the question about how he would remove enriched uranium, and Reza didn't press him.
His hypothetical was beyond ridiculous almost like asking someone what color is the sky but you can't say blue, and you can't say various colors during sunrise/sunset 🤣🤣🤣
The crossover with PBD and Kyle was a nice change of pace. Keep it up!
In my opinion, neither patrick bet david nor reza aslan are fully in touch with public opinion in Iran, because they both left the country years ago. This is a general characteristic of members of a diaspora of a nation.
Who actually takes Patrick seriously on these issues is beyond me
I love your show Kyle
I'm not Iranian but I'd imagine they're probably more upset about us funding and supporting the Iraqi (Sadam Hussein as ally) invasion of Iran which was by all accounts a pretty brutal conflict. Also, Id imagine the illegal sanctions of food and medicine would be pretty upsetting. The US overthrowing a government is kind of a dime a dozen
I mean considering we knew they used chemical weapons on iran Didn't help either.
@@blackearl7891 yeah they used a lot of chemical weapons... that we gave them... for the specific purpose of using them on Iranians. Imagine if the rolls were reversed and this happened instead to Americans
@@andrew6815 oh we would absolutely vilify them, and view them as the devil incarnate
The Shia Regime already hated USA because it was the Americans and the UK who installed the Shah into power.
How about you have some compassion for making Iraq a playground for Iran not only Iraq Syria Lebanon Yemen are all under Iran’s control your government knew exactly what they were doing they want these neighbouring countries to be under their puppet regime they planted
This wasn’t a debate, more of a schooling session. Every time I’ve seen PBD talk about politics he lacks context and any objectivity. Reza with the W per usual .
Awesome video
Great breakdown thanks.
If someone killed my dad and made my mom date Jeffrey dahmer I’d be pissed as well lol.
A++ content. I wanted to like the video but I loved it!
@@dil6681 My comment is merely praising Kyle for reacting to a heated debate and asking him to upload more stuff like this. I don't understand why you leave a 5-lines "pro" Patrick reply to my comment. But thanks, you made me laugh when you said "less brutal government like Saudi Arabia".
the irony of Patrick calling Reza naive
bro patrick thinks trump isnt bought then accuses reza of being naive lmfaoo
Where is the link in the description ?
Agree 💯, Kyle
Great lions den analogy!!! Very needed
Patrcik “despises” monarchy but he wanted trump to stay in power at all cost.
I wish PBD would just stick to business. He's so intellectually limited, it's cringeworthy. Every single time he "debates" someone, he's just punching way above his weight.
This is like the Democrats praising Bush now.
Not really ...The Shah was better from a social and economical viewpoint backed up by facts . Democrats only praise bush now because of silly civility politics. Orange man said meany head things on Twitter so they like bush more cuz he didn't do that 😂
I'm learning a lot here
It’s not always about changing other peoples minds. It’s also about preparing to have your mind change, as well
Reza repeatedly showed how Patrick didn't do his homework.
PBD and Adam have the intellectual maturity of a four year old.
One of your best videos ever, so wel explained and given context to every point on both sides, excellent job Kyle. Maybetpu should interview reza Aslan and do a podcast lepisode with him. I'm sure it'll be extremely intriguing and it'll be clear without the manipulation of narrative and gotcha questions that others give.
Surely whatever costume party you went to is long over my man.... is this just your new look? 🤣
Excellent analysis Kyle, you know your sh*t.
The Islamic republic of Iran 🇮🇷 is supported by millions of people in Iran, Iraq and Lebanon, so who’s US to decide what’s good for Iran???
Kyle, I love you bro, but you need to stop speaking on Iran issue and get a little educated on this subject first. Or at least bring someone to your show who is educated on Iran and have a dialogue. I lived there for 25 years and will be happy to dissect this issue for you.
Patrick seems to like purposefully not understand how US banks can freeze another countries dollar accounts. Furthermore I don’t know why he’s just forgetting the ruthlessness of the Shah? In fact if Reza was critical of the shahs regime he’d probably not actually be able to go back
This is why I get my news from Kyle. Fantastic breakdown, I am definitely smarter now.
Also you can tell where or what reactor the enriched uranium comes from, and we verified that they were giving it slowly up by testing it.
The pbd host guy is extremely right winger propagandist
You're a crybaby
Love you Kyle kalinkski 💗❤
You cure depression by standing with the truth.
PBD guy is just taking the "America good Iran bad position he sees on fox".
Must be a huge pain to engage with.
Yay we passed the 971k subscribers
You made some good points Kyle.
Kyle, this guy doesn't like you. They were complimenting you incessantly when you were on his show as a debate tactic. Complimenting you personally makes it easier to attack your political views.
Bingo. I've (hate) watched enough PBD to see the cheap, dirty, low rent, tactics he uses when he debates. Same tricks with all his guests- Some take the bait while some don't... He's garbage.
When you said there was no third option, at first I thought of course there is, we could always sit this one out if we wanted to. Then you said they like the "let's arm the rebels/probably have the cia/gb's go to work." I immediately felt like Marty Mcfly, pointing at the televison saying "oh yeah I've seen this one before."
Loved the PBD podcast that Kyle did.
It was decent but they constantly had Kyle on the ropes when I wish he would have taken offensive control of the narrative.
@@YYmmmYY id say its much more difficult to go on the offence when you have a 2v1 scenario. The subject gets changed or is shifted by the others perspective
"You have to choose between Teodoro Obiang and Francisco Macías", "you have to choose between François Duvalier and Jean Claude Duvalier"
Or as the great South Park episode said, between Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich.
As a born and raised Floridian, it's like choosing between Rick Scott and Desantis 🤣
"You can't choose "'Neither"'"
Watch me.
NEITHER.
Sick of that idiotic lesser evil bullshit that retains whatever status quo HE TOO despises.
I watch PBD and although I enjoy the more business related content, politically, I’ve always cringed at the smugness they have. Feels great to finally see them being pressed on issues. Normally it just sounds like they are sucking each other off lol
Why don't you link to the original content bro?
Iran is one issue i give credit to Kyle to is softening my hawkish views towards the Iranian and was hoping the Biden administration would maybe get another deal but i think thats dead in the water, it was a mistake for the Trump administration to reject the deal
I've met three Iranians in my life. All three were excellent people.
Fun fact, the father of the drummer Stewart Copeland from The Police, Miles Copeland Jr. was in the CIA and a progenitor that helped orchestrate the 1953 Iranian coup d'état that ousted the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and put Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi into power it was called “Operation Ajax” and the Shah killed and tortured many Iranians when in power until the internal revolution Islamic nationalist Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini win favor from the Iranian people and overthrew the Shah in 1979. I remember when this happened, I was 12- 13 and the hatred for the Ayatollah in the US became worse after the Iran hostage crisis and when Reagan was elected President. I remember people having these shirts and posters with the Ayatollah’s face on a target and I can guarantee the majority of Americans at that time knew nothing about the Shah’s repression of Iranians during his rule, nor about the coup that put him there. For Years, Stewart Copeland nor his mother and brothers knew about his father’s involvement in that coup.
Leave Iran alone.....
I love your Iran history lesson ❤😂👍📕📚📖!!
You got pooped on in that podcast lol
Explain how you begin to ask a question by first noting an option that you cannot choose? 🤔🤣🤦🏽♂️
Now you know what subject to bring up on his show next time.
You’ve got to arrange your own debate on this topic
Just to add some nuance to this convo - a lot of iranians who protest the gov doesn’t want the US to negotiate with Iran and would prefer that the world isolate Iran to weaken the gov, hoping that could eventually lead to the end of the current regime. I have heard iranians argue for the US to invade Iran, i’m against that obviously because it would create chaos in the region and mass death and suffering. But there aren’t just two alternatives here: war or diplomacy. The west can also choose to isolate the Iranian gov, hit them with sancions but not escalate further.
Also, iranians on the gov side doesn’t chant ”death to the west” because the US helped get rid of the Iranian king. The people on the Iranian gov’s side was against the king and wanted him gone and replaced with a theocratic leader. They chant death to US because the Iranian gov’s propaganda paint the US as the source of all evil and all their country’s problems.
The British have seemingly escaped all blame for Iran when it was all done on their behalf and because of them feeding intel to the US to make it appear the government was on the brink of falling to communists (and the Soviets WERE paying people off to make that happen as well, but it appears the British heavily exaggerated on this issue to draw the US into helping in the Brits ultimate aims). The Americans generally supported Iranian oil nationalization etc. but once the Brits fed us intel about communists, exploiting our cold war mindset, things changed. Even their parliamentary leader in Iran was using the soviet-backed foot soldiers in an alliance of convenience who brutally attacked their opponents, including the future wife of the Shah who was stabbed at school at 13 years old by these religious hardliners. What a f'ing mess the whole thing was. The Brits caused the political instability that set the stage for the coup w/ their blockade of Iranian oil as well. Bleh.
The British are definitely behind all the root problems in the Middle East America is just carrying the legacy and following in their footsteps since they aren’t a super power no more someone had to take the lead it happens to be America that fits the job
Patrick Bet David is completely unimpressive.
I’ve watched PND for awhile . He just gives facts and isn’t soo much really into leaning into politics unless PBD breaking it down.
I didn’t see many facts from him here.
I subbed to the show after watching yours because while I dont agree with their positions, they dont seem like grifters to me. I agree - great debate
They kind of do
I consider myself on the far dissident right and 100% agree with Kyle here it’s much better to try and work with people you disagree with than have them as an enemy
PBD argues like a white conservative. I find it interesting. Great breakdown on this Kyle.
Much trolling
The host of that show runs a textbook pyramid scheme selling life insurance.
And he has a huge following - it's evident if you read the comments in his videos. Just like how guys like Andrew Tate and Trump has a huge following. We are doomed.
The guest is correct. One of my best mates was born in the US, is Iranian with a Venezuelan grandmother. He has info like the guest.