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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
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“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
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It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
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With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on RUclips, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
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Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
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Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
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I’m a full time ups driver and been in company for 18yrs.
We are not making 49 dollars an hour.
We will reach 49 after 5yrs from now. We work hard everyday and deserve what we fought for. Union teamsters power ✊🏼
You sure do I have a friend that works for them. Guy works his balls off
Don't let anyone rain on your parade
Keep at it boss👍🏻 hope y’all get the pay you guys deserve, stand together and stay strong!
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you
PBD is the essence of a used car salesman
And Kyle isn’t?
@@gaetano5669yeah relative to PBD he certainly isn’t, you fool
@@gaetano5669pbd meat rider alert!!
@@timz3479KYLE MEAT RIDER ALERT!!!1!!!1!1!11
@@gaetano5669 Kyles used cars actually run.
I worked at UPS for seven years back in my twenties (in my forties now). Guys like Adam and PBD have no idea how hard you have to work at jobs like that. You can't even apply to work a full time union job without at least a few years seniority doing part time work and most of that factory work loading or unloading trucks. UPS people absolutely deserve their pay.
PBD is the kinda guy that creates his entire worldview based on what he sees at the supermarket.
🤣😂⚰️⚰️
LMAO!!!! thank you for that one.
There's nothing that makes these "alpha male" investors more angry than people making decent wages
Nothing makes them more mad than seeing every man succeed together
🎯🎯🎯🎯💯
This is such an out of touch statement, Biden bro
@@gaetano5669how?
@@gaetano5669 PBD runs an insurance MLM, he hates seeing more than 1% of people make a living
Man who podcasts for a living complains that blue collar workers are making too much money
Just amazing. With no sense of irony either
I swear I heard Joe Rogan say “if you pay workers too much money, they won’t work”. The guy who was paid 100 million dollars and is still going to work, claimed people won’t work if you pay them too much. 🤦♂️
Seems reasonable to me
Man who stole money from people in an MLM outraged by salary of manual labor that is the backbone of the economy.
That's the funniest part, they all talked about how they're all gonna quit and work for UPS. As if they could do all that lifting day in and day out in extreme weather. They'd do 1 week at most, if they are even eligible to, and go right back to a cushy chair inside an AC studio. These UPS drivers deserve that money some of the stuff I see them carrying
Kyle is absolutely right here and it is worth appreciating that almost every professional is complicit in our cultural ethos of exploitation and pseudoslavery.
I own a small landscaping business and I mentor my employees, teach them the financial details of my business, and pay them almost double what my competition pays. I still make plenty of money. 2-3x more than my employees. Not 10-50x more. I don't own multiple investment properties. I don't have a boat. My wife and kids are happy and we live well. I'd rather live in a functioning society than exploit my employees.
thank you
This made my day. Thank you for commenting
my life exploded and i’m .. kinda hopeless at the moment .. but this makes me feel a little better. thank you.
Lol slavery gtfoh
I commend you for your generosity and i benefit from this type of pay structure as well. The engineering firm I work for has the wealth distributed in a similar way. Our CEO and other executives only make 10 times the average employee’s salary and we are all thriving because of this.
The true sad thing, is that the UPS employees that works 1 day a week will still do more than Patrick will ever do. There is no honor being a professional seat sitter.
These guys working in a studio pearl clutching over UPS drivers. Priceless.
They just trying to inform the public that regardless if the company has the money to pay a living wage they will use the wage increase to justify their prices to balance out their yearly profits. I don’t think they don’t want people to have a living wage but they are just making the point that the prices will fall in the consumer because the companies never want to lose their profits.
@@fernandovargas9762A great reason for workers seizing the means of production. The whole idea of a CEO having the esteem they do in the West is so cringe and outdated.
@@fernandovargas9762Bruh they are complaining about then increase of goods because of a decent wage worker. These people are not your ally.
@@fernandovargas9762 Pointing out something so basic shows how dumb their audience is.
"Cost of doing business go up, raise prices to maintain profit."
Woah!!
i hope that they are trolling.
What they fail to understand is truckers run this country.
Damn straight
If you're not rich and in a suit they don't think you matter. You're just a minor obstacle for them in pursuit of never ending greed and ego worship
Sadly no. Truckers won't run this country until they seize the assets of the companies which hire them.
Really,3 truck companies went under
@@TheMahayanistno they drive.
I worked as a temporary worker at UPS. They had us part time because they didn't want to pay benefits. Even though it was part time, it was the most physically demanding job I have ever worked. I would get home at the end of the shift too tired to do ANYTHING. From the moment you got in the building, you were watched, and everything was timed, even bathroom breaks. It was utterly degrading. Oh, and all of this was for minimum wage. Even though it was a terrible job, I am glad that I had it, because I had a Bachelor's in a useful STEM field, and if I went directly into a well paying job after finishing college, I wouldn't know what it is like to work as a lower class person. Whatever you think of the people working at U.P.S., they definitely aren't getting paid enough. That is the sort of job that will give you arthritis in your 40's. But, these people will argue with a straight face that the C.E.O. and shareholders sitting comfortably at their desk deserve that money more, because they happened to be wealthy enough to invest/own a business, rather than the workers who actually made the company function everyday, no matter how insane their workload.
Thanks for sharing that experience with us.
DPB probably hasn't had a hard day of work in his life.
My father has worked package for almost 30 years & he’s still at it. Every day that goes by I’m grateful & inspired how strong he’s been. Take care brother ✌️
Great point.. he says NOTHING about the enormous paychecks and bonuses the executives at the top are getting and they’ve never delivered one single package.. I guess they deserve it but the “ lowly “ delivery people should accept whatever scraps they get.. this guy has forgotten where he came from..
Yep I've done warehouse work in the past and its difficult and can be back breaking. Growing up in the 70s and 80s even low wage workers could afford a roof over there head. I never really saw homeless now when I visit California they're everywhere. Mailmen, UPS workers normal blue collar jobs you could live a good life. These guys sit in a cushy office talk online get paid millions to shit on the working class. These political commentators are the worse. Now go to school and go into debt. Good paying jobs help stimulate growth as people make more can pay more for services have free spending money. America is becoming over worked and under paid.
@joshbanks9261 becoming "over worked and underpaid" ?
I was experiencing that as far back as 2004
These drivers put in 12+ hour days, averaging 200 stops, lifting heavy packages and destroying your body in the process. A strong union is necessary for these guys to make a competitive wage.
UPS is a perfect example of what a strong Union can do for the workers.
Also, for the record, they currently make around $40/hr right now. His idea that now it will cost crazy amount of money to ship something doesn't add up.
what big government tyrannically giving unions more value than they are worth overall hurting Americans. They overpayment is built into costs of shipping so they are fucking you. Unions are nto was has the power, the value of the labor is.
They deserve to get paid good. They work in the 100+ weather with no ac in their trucks. $49hr is what they deserve, if not more.
Getting ac in the truck was one of the demands.
@@dabluxurybulldogs9301Yes, but said how I made less per hour as a firefighter
@@dabluxurybulldogs9301 Working hard is not what dictates the value of the labor. If anyone can do it, its not that valuable.
These dudes have not done a single hard day's work. I can hear it in their voices. To get a package to you in 24 hours is impressive. Yet, they laugh because they think it's too much for these guys to get paid. It was 120 degrees Fahrenheit in Arizona and the workers at UPS and Amazon and USPS were still delivering.
Having worked for an Amazon delivery warehouse for a bit, I must say that style of logistics is so of the most impressive I've ever seen in my 30 years of working. The efficiency alone is otherworldly, so yes these folks should absolutely be getting paid for the service they provide. It gets tiring hearing all these rich elitist and their dick riders shit on hard working people day in and day out.
PBD pays his insurance workers $7 an hr. Why do you think he’s so rich. An immigrant I can do without.
@@LNash-fn8ruonly we who deliver for Amazon get nowhere near that amount of money. We have no good benefits either. If we do except them it's the most expensive that comes out of our pay.
And Amazon has started to increase our work load. When I first started the work load could be 260-280 packages but now it's increased by 100 in a normal van that even reaches 400 some times. In the bigger vans like the UPS ones it gets up to 400-650.
The difference is Amazon Delivery Drivers are not employed by Amazon.
@DCis1 Amazon drivers definitely get screwed over, which is why we as workers need to push harder for unions. The middle and lower class have driven productivity and company profitability through the roof with very minimal gains on our end, and we have to change that.
That guy PBD fought in the military
Working in the hub at UPS was one of the toughest jobs I’ve ever had. I guarantee you those guys would walk out the first day. They wouldn’t cut it. Also, the vast majority of UPS employees are part-time. Most of the full-timers waited years to go full-time. They deserve every penny of that shit.
Agreed worked one day as side gig for college. I was like no thanks ill stick with working at Target for a buck less. Im not having a bad back by 35.
Thanks for standing up for the full time delivery drivers and the part time . I’ve been retired for nine years and let me tell it’s not an easy job . It demands a lot from you physically and mentally. I enjoyed working for UPS and they take care of you , even after you retire. The only drawback was I missed school events when my daughter was in school and seeing my wife . It’s hard on the wife’s also. I worked between 50 -55 hours a week. Not everyone is cut out to work for UPS !! 11:58
It’s really wild that PBD and the rest on the podcast make multiples of the salary their complaining is too much by sitting around and talking to a mic. While UPS workers have to bust their asses driving from stop to stop sometimes in smoldering heat
All of these right wing wastes of space with a microphone complaining about people’s salaries is an absolute joke.
Seriously they are sitting there doing a podcast cracking jokes about "what am I doing here" as if they would last one shift at UPS
They wouldn't last half a day in a truck.
and sometimes with no AC. Texas and Oklahoma have been 100F+ for over a month now. Imagine that for hours and hours and running back and forth going from door to door. I'd literally just die if not burst into flames first
I guess their selfawareness setting is just too low. Somebody comes fix them please !
How dare those workers negotiate for their pay
Compare the added value to society created by the UPS workers vs. by the podcasters sitting comfortably in their studio.
True! 😀
Specially since they talk shit and don't understand shit.
the way he just breezed passed his own assumption that the consumer has to pay for the raise and not the ceo was WILD
Workers are getting TOO MUCH? What? 😂
Capitalists already abandoned their trickle-down-economics talking points. Remember Gravity Payments.
CEOs are getting too much
Not really. They still use them, constantly, they just call them something else now.
100k plus salary for delivering packages is insane honestly
@@ray5549no it isn't
UPS workers put their body at risk everyday. Getting packages next day is a relatively new concept made popular because of e-commerce. These workers work their ass off! We are lucky to have them
They look down on those workers with such disgust when literally they are doing some of the hardest and most important work. Given the hours they likely work, it’s totally worth it.
Another big reason this happened is UPS saw they were going to lose a lot of money if a strike happened. The company I work for uses UPS and FedEx to ship small packages. For a week to prep for the possible strike we only shipped with FedEx. Apparently a lot of places did the same because the UPS trucks were pretty much empty.
Pbd is super annoying dude
I like how Pat will empathizes with someone who made bank taking advantage of women and men, and possibly trafficked women but will hate on hard working individuals who actually contribute towards a functioning society. Dude is all for someone making money, but only if he deems their job worthy of making money.
He's got daddy issues- he guzzles Tate and drumpf hard
This deserves more likes
For real bro.. he literally glazed up a person who made his fortune from cam girls and casinos but has problems with the average man trying to make a living delivering packages.. so corny..
@@daviddawes293why are you surprised? Pat is a scammer as well. He's just recognizing game he doesn't have.
You think Pat is above doing shady stuff for a quick buck, with his professed beliefs? For real?
My guess is he empathizes with business owners and entrepreneurs and against labor.
It's interesting when PBD used his example of increasing the cost to consumer by 10 times, he didn't factor in a hypothetical where less margin is made. In fact, he actually decided to increase the dollar margin. These poor multi-million dollar companies; oh the agony!
What they don't realize is alot of workers are not full time. My friend used to work there and he was part time. He made $15 an hour. I live in Philadelphia, a living wage here is 19.50 an hour if you work full time so 21 an hour is the bare minimum. God these people are so out of touch
I'll never understand how people look at this like a bad thing... I WISH more companies were like this.
Because they bitch about prices going up and then get upset at the employees instead of the corporations who are profiting billions year in and year out
I think a militant union & economic tail winds pushed this into reality, but I agree more corporations should prioritize worker compensation over shareholder compensation.
They will probably go out of business now cause Amazon will take over watch
@@michaelthomas229 I doubt it; Amazon is using AWS to subsidizes Amazon Prime delivery and many many other subsidiaries. If AWS hits financial road blocks or stalls, Amazon Prime delivery and those other subsidiaries will have raise prices or close all together. UPS doesn't have feature so it can remain a 1 trick pony in a world of limited competition.
In the late 60s the unions were in bed with the mafia and were running roughshod over the companies. All sorts of abuses. Repubs decided to ship the jobs overseas which began the US decline. They then propagandized the public into hating unions. They changed government tax policies to favor imports. That all brought us to where we are today.
Whats sad is the avg wage would be more than 100k if we had the same income growth for workers we had from the 50s to the 70s. Just worker exploitation after Reagan.
Plus,100k a year isn't as great as it was due to the cost of living and general inflation.
That piece shit Reagan. I was a teenager during his administration. Never bought into any of his BS. I went to a private religious school for HS and I was the ONLY leftist in the building. LOL
FACTS..
As a licensed psychiatric/clinical social worker (after 6 years of school, 2 years of clinical supervision, and passing 2 national board examinations), I'm certainly envious. My starting salary was less than 50k working (well over hours) in community mental health. I'm grateful I love my work, but there is a reason adequate mental health care is so difficult for people to access. One of them is significant turnover due to horrible salaries that do not match the education cost. Mental Health providers get ZERO recognition. Rant over 😁. I do hope and advocate for appropriate salaries for all fields.
I am a UPS part time employee and and Kyle did an amazing job at explaining the situation. I don't know where to begin but the 170k a year is the most money a full time employee could be making by 2028 and with massive amount of over time. In other words the 170k is the biggest salary that some full timers will be able to achieve and that includes benefits. Another thing that I want to clear up is the fact that it takes YEARS for a part time employee working at the warehouse to be able to achieve full time driver status. In varies by location but it takes anywhere from 2 years to 10 years of back breaking labor at the warehouse before you get to be a driver. UPS does not hire people from the street for driver position with exceptions but generally speaking this is how the union works. I was making 18 bucks an hour averaging $400 bucks take home every week. We have now been bumped to 21 an hour but the work is very very intense. Most people don't make it.
Exactly! It hasn't changed much in decades.
170k? WITH benefits? The middle class are wage slaves too!!
As a USPS mail carrier, I am Super Happy and a MASSIVE WIN for my friends at UPS!! Now, since my union(The NALC) Is in current contract talk with the USPS, I hope they can use this new contract to get us better pay and cut the time it takes to reach max pay, but seriously doubt we will get anything close to what UPS has. Again good fucking job teamsters!!!
For real I'm pissed how am I only making 25 an hour man I want a raise 😂
usps has never lost my packages. ups and fed ex loses my packages all the time.
@@TheRogueEmpire yep to be fair they deal with way more packages and usually work later however we walk more miles so I'd say we all should be getting paid similar wages in the 30s and 40s
Around here mail carriers have to use their own car.
@@rogersmith7396 those are rural carriers I'm talking about city carriers but yeah that's another negative for some at the post office
Im happy for them bc if you are working even ONE job, you should be able to afford at least a 1-2 bedroom apartment/house, gas in car, food in your belly, and other essentials. The fact that this is controversial is so sad.
It's designed that way... they only primarily make "luxury" apartments and investors buy up the cheap homes and rent them out. Real estate is a big scam.
The fact that you had to include "even" in that statement says it all. Working multiple jobs to survive is not a thing in the rest of the developed world as it shouldn't be
You get paid what the work is wurth
@user-py7hr8ni8h NOPE! You get paid what a company can get away with and that's why you need a union!
No, if you’re not a lawyer or doctor you should have to work yourself to the point where you can’t even have a life outside of work. Also why is this generation not having kids as much? They can’t afford it? Well they just need to work harder.
The CEO of UPS makes what a driver makes in a year, in a DAY. Why aren’t they complaining about that?
Thank you!!!!!
PBD is a massive tool, and a Grifter.
and the sky is blue.
Solidarity!!
Even their $49/hr rant is disingenuous because that's the average of ALL of their full-time employees. That means they're taking the lowest paid driver and the highest paid executive to get that. I can't even say there's no way he thinks a driver assistant gets a +$20/hr bump becoming a full time driver, because his rant implies otherwise.
And they aren't making the average of hour worked, so the high pay guy actually works less than the low pay guy without affecting the average.
It's a clever lie, tho.
It is crazy how disconnected they are. They like to pretend like they know what they're talking about in their fancy suits in their comfy office. The current driver at UPS makes over a hundred grand already, it's nothing new.
they have no expertise in anything. there are many reasons why they are also so "dumbfounded"
Same with kyle with a 30mil net wurth
@@user-py7hr8ni8hyeah?! Same with Kyle, eh? Let's say your number is accurate, he's out here advocating for regular people, while PBR is hating on regular people. Between the three of you, which one is an ally, which is an enemy, and which is dumbass making idiotic comments on youtube??
@@user-py7hr8ni8hwhere is this 30M net worth info coming from?
@@user-py7hr8ni8hthe difference is that Kyle doesn't advocate against other people earning a living wage.
I love coin rich people that don't actually do labor say they're going to quit and go do a labor intensive job. Like let's get serious they would quit after one day because it's too much work and they complain they weren't getting paid enough for the amount of work they had to do.
word to your mother
I remember seeing Kyle on their show. I remember the bit where Kyle told them about a friend of his who had to drop out of school to work, and can barely pay his bills. I remember how they sneered, "so he dropped out of school? Then he's a LOSER! Your friend's a LOSER, Kyle!"
I also remember Kyle smiling before delivering the stinger. "What if I told you the reason he dropped out of school was because his parents had just died, and he had to drop out in order to raise his younger siblings?" I remember them immediately backpedaling. That was fun.
yo, just talked to a UPS delivery guy yesterday, and dude was so hype. more people should feel this way about their job. ain't no democracy unless you got it at work--soidarity motherfuckers!
What they don’t consider is that those workers will turn around and spend the money in their communities which helps EVERYONE.
The point is control, not economic growth
They don't give a fuck about everyone. They want what the other guy has as theirs every time. Helping is for suckers in their worldview.
Those are guys that think hospitals should be for profit. That's where their stupid gets.
don't forget to mention that delivering packages is a crucially important role in our economy and society
i don’t want guys who don’t do their own yard work telling me how much a worker should make.
These right wingers really are showing us their hand lately......
Of course PBD feels that way ...he's almost in the billionaire club and once you're in the more heartless you become.
I think you have to be pretty damn heartless to want to be a billionaire in the first place.
Lol he got rich in California the place he bashes everyday.
@@Travelblackfacts
In his mind only the executives deserve to have a huge salary and bonuses even though they’ve never touched a single package.. everyone beneath them should settle for whatever scraps they get..
@@daviddawes293and think of the rationale they propose for paying a CEO 1,000x worker salary. Because “risk”. The “risk” is that the CEO becomes a worker again! THAT’s the “risk!”
People who think ups drivers are overpaid haven't delivered a queen sized mattress up three flights of stairs along with unassembled furniture, tvs, and a bunch of other junk. Driving an oversized vehicle in heavy traffic or blizzards is often the easy part.
You are so right!
$100K is like $50K in the 80's!!!! $100k now really aint much!
The point of their asinine rant is because they don't want workers to have too good of a living.
From what I've seen of PBD, he doesn't have much empathy for the working class. He hates the idea of a 4 day work week and thinks people who work from home are lazy. He's a lot like Elon in that respect.
Because rich people need to feel superior to others.
Rich people hate us many more times than we hate them.
If rich people had no disdain for lower classes, then private schools wouldn't exist.
People get outraged over this!!!??? I get outraged over CEO's getting crazy bonus payouts and bonuses (millions) while their peon workers get nothing!
That was some damn good articulation of my sentiments on the issue. Thank you for what you do, Kyle.
PBD: "the market determines wages"
PBD: "these UPS driver are making to much money"
The wages are artificial in terms if ups, because the unions cried and complained like they always do when they don't get their way. You don't deserve 49 dollars an hour for a job that requires NO special skills or liscenses
Are unions the government?@@Holy_Athletics
@@Holy_Athleticsthen execs dont need 10 times their employee salary for running Zoom/Teams meetings
@@Holy_AthleticsYou need a Trucker’s license and a lot UPS workers are part time😂😂😂😂😂
@@Holy_Athleticsunskilled labor is a myth.
PBD does this insidious thing where he will start out by pretending to honestly critique an issue or system. He would lay out the problems, like in his piece on hospitals and why they get to charge ridiculous prices, until the facts begin to implicate the greed of the upper class, then, like a slick car salesman, he'll bait/switch and reframe the issue as a battle between the middle and lower class instead, or in this case, a battle between workers and consumers. He'll then pin the problems on gov't, social programs, the left, workers, the wretched of society - everything but the elephant in the room. Maybe because he is, or at least thinks he is, part of that elephant.
well PBD is a CEO so he will always be class loyal. that's obvious. but i agree otherwise.
If it wasn't obvious... But I don't think he's even good at it, to be honest. He doesn't understand what he's talking about most times.
Everyone understand the elephant in the room but what are you going to do about it? You can't change the player so instead you continue to sabotage the game for everybody.
I love this podcast. Also really Kyle a clip did you even watch the full video?
I was introduced to you through PBD podcast… I was truly impressed with your perspective and solutions… Hence why I’m a new subscriber to your channel… Keep up the good (well informed) work!
The fact that they thought $55,000 a year was what a UPS driver made shows just how out of touch they are with what labor cost for drivers is.
Kyle, you being on PBD was such a breath of fresh air. We need a part 2.
Pragmatic people like Kyle can really change minds
Agreed. Cenk already made another visit to PBD. Other previous guests might be lined up. No one is going to change the hosts’ minds. They only got more extreme with time. It’s the audience that needs to hear the pushback.
@@DarkMustard1337
PBD's hordes are not having their mind changed. Have you seen his comment section?
@@galdamez3 it’s good but ngl Kyle’s podcast with them was exhausting. Any argument Kyle made the rebuttal was just “personal responsibility”
Just ask them… “if you work at UPS full time, should you be able to live independently?” They said $55k a year like that was comfortably high (its not).
They always harken back to a time where on one salary, a man could have a home, a car, a wife in the home, 2 or 3 kids, and be comfortable… ok, those people that were able to do that weren’t all CFOs and brokers and investment gurus and crypto bros and youtube business bloggers. They were linemen for Western Electric, assembly line workers for Ford, tin knockers, postal workers, garbage men, service station workers, etc
Those jobs are far more valuable to society than Patrick Bet David’s business entrepreneurship podcast and his insurance advertisement company.
I was at Lowes and the two employees there one with boots with many holes , the other with countless patches sewed on her pants. They were polite and gave us good service and ask us to give them a good recommendation, which we did. I said I hope they give you a raise and they said no we are trying to get more hours. They keep us under 29 hours a week. LOWES IS DISCPICABLE!!!
The goons joke about they're quitting and going to work at UPS. They would all quit within 2 months having to a work a real job. Not to mention you don't just start full time and at that salary at UPS.
Also, they shouldn't care if they believe in competition and the free market. If they think workers getting paid that much is jacking up their shipping costs then use a different company. Let the free market decide.
They never understand why their arguments are stupid, and they are very confident in their arguments.
👏👏👏goon is right. Put any of these tools into a real working environment and they will quiver.
Lol.
2 months! You're giving these hot air breathing, desk jockey, cushion cowboys too much credit.
Don't watch Kyle's appearance on PBD. Here is the entire podcast:
PBD: Individual responsibility
Kyle: Yes, that's important but it doesn't mean we should ignore systemic issues.
PBD: So you are saying individual responsibility isn't important?
Kyle: No, it is. But that doesn't mean we should ignore systemic issues.
Saved you two hours.
LOL.
Exactly. Same as every PBD interview. Guest: "I prefer winter." PBD: "So youre saying you hate summer."
@@shiloh5000g"Iran was screwed by the US and Israel when the nuclear deal was torn up"
PBD: "So you're saying the Iranian regime is angelic, and never harmed a single person in their country?"
Wtf literally no one has said that. All he can do is put words in the mouths of those who debate him.
If it were a raise for the CEO he'd be all for it.
I'm in the wrong career, I need to become a UPS driver. I remember hearing back in 9th grade that there was 15 year waiting list to become a driver, although there was no way to fact check that at the time.
Why is it that people are always outraged with how much a workers earns but never get pissed at the massive profits corporations rake in.
I guess they maybe think that the massive profits will help their 401ks?
They hate the working class and worship the ruling class.
Because maximization of profit is an extremist ideology
Because the truth is many people view being a billionaire or business owner as having worked hard enough to get here in the eyes of the government, so when they make a mistake, they deserve to get bailed out due to their success.
Where as poor people have failed, so any government help they receive is a handout.
I would love to see PBD work a week on the truck in the sweltering summer or the dead of winter.
That would make awesome entertainment.
Oh he'd be crying! 🤣😂🤣😂
Vincent was my neighbor. He is too busy running to the people with money running his mouth and convincing them to pay him 4 figures an appearance. He would never lift a box. Tape his mouth shut, he'll last 5 minutes as a real worker.
He would quit long before his first shift would be over. He and his crew have no idea what real hard work is
A value meal used to be around $7 now it’s $12-14 it’s insane 1 large French fries is almost $6
I've worked for UPS. If they had any idea how hard that job is, maybe they wouldn't be talking this shit.
I am a UPS employee, and although I now make 21 an hour there, you're lucky to get more than 3 and a half hours a day. One of the best parts of the contract is the addition if many more full time spots, because most people who work at UPS who arent drivers still have to take second jobs
'and although I now make 21 an hour there, you're lucky to get more than 3 and a half hours a day'
am i to understand that you only work less than 4 hours per day?
so,this is like an extra gig of some sort?
who actually in UPS who gets these 6 figures salaries anyway?
Reality rears its ugly head.
you all get full health benefits even part time, no? Maybe that's changed from 20 years ago
@ssllsg9439 I get less than 4 at this job. Luckily I have another job to fall back on.
@@ssllsg9439probably not many people. Notice they said the average per hour for employees and not the average of worked hours. So the company probably low ball the guy with high hourly pay and pack of work the guy with low pay. Since this is the average per employee and not per hour worked, they lie through statistics here.
Kyle should follow up when he goes back on that show to find out how many of them and their friends quit to work at ups. Then we’ll have a better idea of how sincere they are.
i dont... think this is real... i'm looking at UPS jobs now... i'm seeing... $16.20/hr ...
@@MicrowaveWalrusthey used an average of course it was a lie.
How was that average made? Averages aren't filled with information. It turns out it's really easy being misleading with them. For instance, for delivery drivers, the better average is the worked hour average. I bet it being about half of that mentioned hourly rate. Guess what? Companies will distribute the heavier work load to lowest paid workers to increase how much they steal from the employees.
1. The excuse for not paying boots-on-the-ground workers more has historically been what these guys jumped to: It's going to cost the consumer more! I'll hear that argument on some level for small businesses, but there's no need for it to cost the consumer a single cent more if the difference comes out of the corporate profits that are already astronomically high. We're talking about a small number of extremely wealthy people in each industry taking a pay cut so small that they would barely even notice it so that ALL the people who do the real work can make more. Kyle makes a great point that we don't hear people outraged by the obscene salaries of CEO's, complaining that the consumer has to foot the bill for their obscene profit margins while workers were so unfairly compensated that they needed union advocacy to get paid what they deserve.
Unions are the best band aid we have for this, but the real solution is a law that requires the lowest paid workers in a company to receive a reasonable proportion to what the highest paid member is. The person at the top could still make millions/billions as long as the people at the bottom of the pyramid doing all the work are getting something reasonable like 20-40 times less than the one at the top. Right now, in the US, the person on the top is making 400-500 TIMES what the actual workers on the bottom are making. That HAS to change, otherwise raising the min wage just creates and excuse for greedy CEOs to push the price onto consumers to spare their precious profits.
2. The PBD guys first reacted jokingly "Oh, I'm quitting this job if I can go work for UPS and make that much!" They won't though. If these guys REALLY believed that this is an insultingly high wage for the work expected of UPS drivers, then they WOULD quit their current job to go work for UPS. The reality however, is even with that higher pay, they still aren't willing to do the job, which makes it sound to me like they should shut the fuck up and let the people who ARE willing to do that work be properly compensated for it.
Thank you,Kyle🌹⭐🌹⭐🌹
Did the PBD podcast mention the $30 Billion dollar stock buyback in their argument which shows they can be paid well enough to feel valued and make a living wage?😂
Only rich people and business owners deserve bailouts.
Of course not, that scam artist who ripped people off with trash value insurance is not outaged about corporate greed. He's outraged that workers are fighting back and winning.
They don't care whether the company can afford it or not, it's because they have a comlletely inverted view of reality with respect to who actually does the work....they think CEOs and their cronies are responsible for all the work
What is disturbing about this guy is this....his family came as refugees from Iran if I'm not mistaken. They fled the Islamic revolution in 1979 and this guy evolved into this type of person.
Greedy. Doesn't care about workers.
And on the Joe Rogan podcast he presented himself as a Christian.
And he's upset that workers are being paid more. What a hypocritical ass
PBD is an ideologue.
Wow.
@@scifirealism5943the truth hurts
PBD is a classic CEO
I’ve listened to a few episodes of PBD since Kyle has been on. If there is any take home message I can get out of PBD, it’s “make as much money as possible and fuck everything else”.
So, it’s quite ironic now that he is complaining about someone else cutting a small piece. Especially when all he is worried about is it might affect him.
He’s a right wing capitalist. He is what he is.
Well said
Same people who will tell you that "hard work pays off" and if you just work hard, the money will come to you. Soon as we pay hard working people a great wage, its a problem.
When i worked at Fast food for 12 or 13 dollars a hour I would just imagine how many people would come in that hour time span and buy combo meals that were $10 and up. When you think of it like that you realize just how many pennies you and your co workers are getting. And Chick Fil A is just an abomination cause they got some high priced menu items yet pay less than even Mcdonalds in areas.
Yes they make a lot of money but the reality is that companies will increase the price of services regardless if they needed to pay the workers and use this increase in pay to justify their actions even if they didn’t need it. Look at the prices for fast food and how much it change in a few years based on wages. They didn’t need to but yet they still do it and that’s the point that podcasts was trying to make not that the customer deserves to pay he wages but it will happen based on that increase of wages.
Chic Fil A could pay their cashiers $100,000/year.
@fernandovargas9762 ? Mcdonalds has raised the price of their meals like $3 the past couple years with 0 increases in wages. Inflation happens and they will push their prices regardless just to see what they can get away with taking from the customers. Might as well fight for your part of the pie while it continues to happen. Every opportunity missed for a wage increase is another $1/h that you're behind because the businesses WILL rip off the customers.
That's why seizing the means of production is fair. Welcome to the communist club, my dude.
"Here's the reality, though. Most of the UPS workers are not full time workers. They're actually part time workers." That is correct, Kyle. I've been a part timer at UPS for over 23 years. This is the best agreement I've seen in my time there. This contract was the first time I've seen everyone, or most, full time and part time, stand together for a full loaf of bread for everyone, and I'm grateful for the current leadership we have as Teamsters. And yes, the "prices will be passed on to consumers" narrative is way overstated, and yes, you can bet UPS will make us earn every penny.
You’re awesome Kyle
No surprise. PBD runs an MLM. MLMs need people to make shit wages so they can recruit them with the dream of a better life.
They are clowns
Yes;but worth engaging with
@@user-pq7jj3vs3e not even worht it
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Kyle think so. But honestly from my perspective I prefer to just curb🥾 them.
But Kyle is a nice guy. I am not. Especially towards neoliberals/Reaganites
$21 an hour is not that great, he needs to also consider that there may be basically no full timers.
Depends on what part of the country, I bet in the Appalachian region they'd love jobs that paid that much.
Let's not forget you often work part-time so you don't receive health or retirement benefits.
Even if I had made $30/hr as a cashier I couldn't have afforded healthcare out of pocket.
Bro 21$ an hour u are basically homeless unless some else is paying most of your bills . These guys are so fucking out of touch it’s crazy .
@@borisstanislav4560 any increase sounds good when you’re dirt poor.
Americans are so brainwashed many think that those making what should be our minimum wage (doing difficult work) is too much
Capitalists when it comes to low wage hard jobs: " People are LAZY! they don't want to work anymore!!"
Capitalists when it comes to high wage hard jobs: "Way too many people want to do this job!"
They way they were cindisendingly laughing at texts saying "I'm quitting to go work for a company that pays me"
Normalize working people getting paid exorbitant* amounts.
Exorbitant*
Sorry. But yea I totally agree! 👍
@peepholepeople4490 you're not sorry 😅
they absorb the money through their skin? is that how poor people make money?
@@peepholepeople4490 Thanks
@@TheRogueEmpire It's our only way
I am surprised PBD is able to talk still after his Knob Slobbing on JRE. Never seen someone ride D that hard before
This clip got me absolutely OUTRAGED when I saw it floating around on Twitter. Absolutely egregious and gross
PBD's whole message to their audience is supposed to be to work hard, better yourself and make more money. Then the moment you have workers that aren't the CEO making a decent wage they're livid about it.
The great thing about this deal is that now everyone will demand higher wages wherever they might be employed.
It’s like because the job doesn’t require a degree in higher education these guys think that the job doesn’t deserve reasonable pay for the backbreaking and vital work they do.
Yes. You are correct.
Employers don't pay shit for most college degrees. I have three of them. Biology Chemistry and Nursing. I was making $14,000 after 3 years in Bio and Chemistry. Yeah things were cheaper but it was still poverty pay.
6 figures ain't what it used to be guys. People never consider inflation.
I been with UPS for 16 yrs. I sacrificed 11 years to go fulltime. We have full benefits our new pay is 45.08$ UPS has covered my 4 kids me myself and wife with dental vision and medical benefits. I’ve even gone to rehab for addiction and UPS covered it all. UPS is a blessing but kids these days want money now. I started at 8.50$ an hour not even making 200$ a week. Now I’m making up to 3k a week and after taxes 2k In my pocket. I thank my mom for the wise words and telling me to stick it through. She said son when your older you will see why you need to work for UPS. I was 19 back then. Im 35 now and thank you mom you were right. It was worth it 🎉
Part of the reason ups uses so much part time labor is because the loading and unloading of trailers is so physically demanding: the pace they expect in the warehouses is not realistic for an 8 hour shift.
I was a counter. Warehous jobs suck. Unless you could get forklift only.
Yep! I worked as a loader, and it was the hardest physical job I’ve ever had.
I think it was Adam Smith who said something to the effect of "High profits tend to increase prices more than high wages" maybe the executives who sit around all day produce less value for the company than the people who actually do the work.
They deserve every penny. I drove for 4 years and it was brutal. Wore my knees and ankles down in those four years and i was in my twenties.. I ended up breaking my ankle off job and after surgery and rehab could no longer do the job.
Bro you cant use a single mcdonalds study and think that applies to every single biz in the country 💀
PBD is a very dangerous person.