“You Support A Country That Hates Us!” - Patrick Bet-David In HEATED DEBATE With Reza Aslan
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In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, Reza Aslan, Adam Sosnick and Tom Ellsworth discuss NIAC and the relationship between USA and Iran.
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As an Iranian-American, this is literally the debate my uncles have had my whole life. This is thanksgiving dinner for us. It never ends.
grab the WALDSEEMÜLLER MAP and look for PARTHIA, ARIA & PAROPANIS
...thats the biblical mental hospital where they all sit in
Do they ever mention how the British and Americans overthrew Mosadek, installed the Shaw, and started this whole thing.
@@goldentaco4970 all day everyday
@@ahpacific lol
@@ahpacificare you Muslim ?? 🤔
As an Iranian I love seeing two Iranians with totally opposing views and high levels of passion debate without getting bitter. Props for remaining gentlemen
Brother the Iranian people and culture are misrepresented by this ugly regime!
And high levels of intelligence. I learned a lot about Iran and have a whole lot more respect for these people. We need more of this
I don't know how gentleman they are when one was yells out f bombs everytime he hears something he dosent like
No wonder you get to put the first comment here .
As an Iranian. Patrick embarrased himself
I don’t always agree with PBD but what I love about him is he brings on guests that have opposite beliefs of what he believes in. He definitely believes in freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
He was tiring with the constant interruptions and needless argument repetitions though
@@89strangelove he’s from Iran. He’s passionate. If anything that guy was rude dropping f bombs every other sentence.
Why is that bad, as long as he can argue properly for what he thinks it's fine.
His stands on the murderous regime of the shah being better than the murderous regime of the mullahs was truly aweful. It's so unfortunate that some folks keep grasping for a facade that is nostalgia for the past instead of moving forward and plea for true democracy and freedom. There is literally NO room for monarchy in the POLITICAL realm. Why does he even care?? It's done and over with, get over it. He's a Pahlavist as Reza said, I have no respect for that political affiliation one bit, it truly shows a stunt in your political understanding and development and honestly makes me doubt the intelligence of anyone who still fights for the reputation/legitimacy of a monarchy in this day and age.
He served in the American military and is American and patriotic
this conversation went word for word 100% the same way two cubans who get together talk about cuba. Reminds me of hearing my stepdad talk about cuba all the time. In both countries nothing has changed since I've been born.
Same with Chinese families too! Holy moly every family gathering that turns political about the “old country” always results in a shitshow, none of these countries deserve the ‘leaders’ who are running them to the ground
But why is it? Within a mix of so many subjects is one because the American government don't want Iran to level back up?
Except they can’t have that conversation in Cuba, just like these two couldn’t have it in Iran. That’s what makes America great
@@ThawhidIran Fucked Over Iran
Love to see two guys who completely disagree able to discuss something and strive to find common ground. The world needs more conversations like this
Yes NORMAL
It happens all the time, you just need to turn off Fox, CNN and MSNBC
😮 I just said the same thing I love Mr Pat
Fully agree brother. This is the only path forward for us. Even if we only find common ground on the ends, but not the means, is a great place to start. We should celebrate that and emphasize that.
Everybody says this same comment when they like someone 😂. This is normal . How do u discuss something with someone u disagree with?
Patrick David was showing a lot of emotion on this interview on Iran.
Nah this just how uncles argue
Maybe 5% more emotion, dude the control he has on if you think about how attached to this he is personally. I know for a fact I couldn’t stay that composed and I believe I’m fairly emotionally controlled. I looked up to him, nothing more emotionally taxing to these two guys. Regardless what you believe they are both real men, respect to both ❤❤❤❤❤ nothing but love the world needs more of this then ever.
PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.
Patrick only understands Patrick. Everyone else is naive. Got it. He plays a good character tho... Made him money.
The guy hates iran
Every Iranian has been unwillingly witness to this debate after dinner at a family gatherings. I feel I'm there in the studio 😂
My family comes from a long line of Persians dating back hundreds of generations. Long Live Iran 🇮🇷
Let's cut the shit
The Islamic Republic and the US government will never ever have peace
The Iran deal just bought some time
The Trump admin just went back to the basic game play. Sanctions sanctions sanctions and more sanctions.
Sounds like a damned if you do, damned if you don't debate. Do they know this?
If this topic interests you not and you were "unwillingly" witnessing it, then no offense, but you are part of the problem. It is this attitude that has kept us basically abused daily by this regime and we say nothing. You just wanna eat food and dance and not deal with anything of importance or conflict. I don't mean offend to you personally but to not even have interest in the conversation is really bad bro.
@@amireghbal9892 not every after dinner uncle debate is informative. Most of the times people disagree just to disagree. Also, I want you to look at just the past 5 years of protests and struggles of the Iranian people in iran and around the world, the people who got jailed, tortured, and executed because of their opposition and tell me again that “we say nothing.” If all of that is nothing to you I don know what is.
Iranians are really intelligent and passionate and they are real good friends to have.. greetings to all my iranian brothers from Tunisia
It's as if PBD hears what he assumes someone is saying, rather than listening to someone's words and understanding what they are actually saying.
Yes he is very much like that
I respect how Pat can debate with class without using profanity.
Yeah…except when hes about to lose an argument he instantly resorts to
“you have to be naive to believe that!!?
Pat has never admitted to being wrong, simply wont happen
@@Abdulrahman-gj5vhI'll take Pat's argument style over Reza's effeminate screaming.
@@jtstevenson81 im sure you would. Because how else will you counter logic? By arguing and dancing around it without addressing directly.
Youre in denial
@@Abdulrahman-gj5vh Reza didn't make a single logical point the entire time. PBD called him naive because he equated the two sides of being equally murderous regimes. It's a popular refrain on the Left, because you guys love making excuses for criminals.
Reza and his ilk are far left douches.
He’s amazing,no doubt about that.
As an Iranian, I truly appreciate you putting this up Patrick!
As a Cuban American, so do I. This is a very familiar conversation. Batista vs Castro. Approach with isolationism or diplomacy.
the example of not letting iran get nuclear weapon is like of castrating a man, all so that Israel can go rampage in the middle east without fearing any threat, because the n°1 military in the world has it's back so it can win any NON nuclear war, at the end it's all about who have the biggest gun, it's an existential threat
Sina Nabilou I'm guessing your Christian Iranian?
Is Reza a good representer of the Iranian people with all these opinions he's saying?
@@Omar-jy1gr absolutely. Unfortunately there is a group like PBD who white-wash the past and are stuck in a "lost era" which never existed anyway. They are the pahlavists and will die defending the reputation/legitimacy of a family whose name doesnt belong in the political conversation of this day and age. Majority of the people would agree with Reza on this. I'd say max 20% PBD (being generous), 70% Reza, and 10% who are still affiliated with the regime and would like to see both men dead lol.
Patrick thinks he’s smarter than he actually is in this debate
Care to explain
He's like this Egyptian guy called basse.....m.
Frs this guy is a clown
@@davestuddaman8127 he is literally not listening whatsoever he just assumes the response and keeps putting words into his mouth
@@mirembewinfred5353the cardiologist? Youre the fool.
“You negotiate with countries that disagree with us”
The sign of a wise mind
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations
Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 .
NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
It’s not disagreeing they wanted you dead
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 I share your views 100%. Sad that many Iranians abroad are living in a fantasy world.
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 for every sheep like you we need a sheppard of course.
you negotiate from positions of strength. the Iranian nuclear deal had a time constraint, it was betting that if iran was allowed in the global economy for like 15 years, they would not want to pursue a nuclear weapon at the end- guess what, this "liberalization in the global economy" shcikt died with china's persistence as a dictatorship
These political pundits come across so much better when they are given time to express their views accurately in a podcast.
I totally agree
PBD: btw Hitler and Mussolini who was better
Me: Neither
PBD: How dare you pick Mussolini
Hahaha..very funny
Yeah, that question was a bit absurd.
I usually end up agreeing with PBD, but I honestly felt like he didn't do well in this one episode, and that was my "hol' up" moment with him
😅
Shah and Khomeini are not like Hitler and Mussolini
Shah was more like Ben Salman or Sheikhs of UAE and Khomeini was like Ben Laden and Hitler
So Sha wasn't a murderous Dictator?
PBD left Iran 35 years ago at the age of 10. His opinion has to be taken with a grain of salt.
This is an example of when you are so emotionally entrenched, common-sense goes out of the window. I believe PBD will look back at this exchange with a lot of lessons learned.
Exactly! I can’t believe how DELUSIONAL pbd take was on this topic. The sheer hypocrisy and weak straw man tactics he used was downright clownish.
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 why are you copy and pasting this on all the comments?😂😂 Reza wants to give the mullahs billions and call it a nuclear deal. You think its a coincidence reza is saying the exact same thing the mullahs are?
@@popo12920 HAHAHA Why are you getting triggered because your delusional lies and hypocrisy is easily exposed. You think the U.S government using the CIA terrorist agents to overthrow Iran elected president back in 1954 didn’t have unintended consequences? Everyone knows the real THREAT to humanity is America which promotes SATANIC genderless pronounce in order to corrupt the youth of the world just as they’ve corrupted their own.
Get over your feelings and deal with historical facts imbecile ;)
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 relax 😂😂 im well aware of the western demonic shit, but you do know it was the west that got rid of the shah right? You think France is giving away private jets to anyone that asks? Shah was getting too powerful but dictatorships dont work regardless because the next guy can always turn out to be a piece of shit. You muslims make me laugh you think its either western degeneracy or muslim fundamentalism 😂😂😂
@@popo12920 The west were the ones who FIRST installed the Shah which is a fact. Also, the west has become so DELUSIONAL and degeneracy is so rampant that you actually believe “fundamentalism” against Muslims. That’s actually hilarious. I guarantee you within a decade the west will call any man or a woman who views a real family is build on between a man and woman will be called “fundamentalist.”
So laugh now, cry later. Muslims don’t tolerate the degeneracy that you’ve tolerated for decades and now is castrating your basic manhood. Stop lying to yourself for once and stop using brainwashed talking points against Muslims.
Take care.
I’m pretty sure my new favorite pastime is hearing two Iranians passionately arguing😂
It's interesting how much religion is part of the argument.
It's supposed to be about human interest.
@@ALCRAN2010 Nothing will change. It's a great intellectual exercise to consider empty possibilities.
@@ALCRAN2010
There was no discussion about religion.
@@ALCRAN2010 that's what religion is!!! The churches run the world in health care in complimentary gifts of money and health and wealth and everything from morals , integrity , values, etc... ways of life Etc.......Etc..etc
@@ALCRAN2010Islam is in decline by a massive amount in Iran. Christianity, atheism, and Zoroastrianism is growing. Whether thats good or bad depends on the person, it seems have an Islamic government isn't actually good for Islam in the modern world.
When an intellectual debates an "influencer" the gap is huge. It was fun to watch this.
which one of the influencers was the one just blindly shipping weapons to a country filled with poor people and terrorists? lmao.
We need more like this. Civilized conversation that are actually listening. Not hitting walls a real interest in moving forward in finding common ground and building on it without losing the beauty of its culture.
Look how nervous Rezlan is ! Wrapping the cord around his finger
@@scundoorsup5342 I think that's anxiety, having to deal with a non-intellectual
That guy more loyal iran than usa
Patrick did not present a good argument in this debate. Also, the point that the guest (Reza) was making is very much in line with what most expert in this field will tell you, that is, the sanctions have hurt the people of Iran significantly more so than its government.
Idk wtf is going on but I love a good argument lmao. Kinda like watching my uncles argue at a party 🥳
well...lol..at least you are honest.....this conversation is super important.. so Imagine that Iran is a student who has been accused of cheating on a test. The other countries in the world are the teachers who are concerned about the student's behavior and want to make sure that he is not cheating in the future. To ensure that the student(Iran) is not cheating, the teachers agrees to give the student a series of extra assignments and to watch him closely while he completes the assignments. In return, the teachers agrees to give the student a good grade, not to punish him for past misbehavior, and to give him some extra money.
This is similar to the way that the Iran nuclear deal worked, with the international community imposing restrictions on Iran's nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions and the release of Iranian funds that had been frozen overseas.. ::PBD:: believes giving money to the parent (government) is not the way to solve the problem cause he argue the parent are corrupt and they dont care for their kid..... ::REZA:: argues that there are reliable systems in place that will make sure the parent will give the money to the student (government to the people)..but they both agree that are no safe way to give the money directly to the student -- TEACHERS(USA) STUDENT(IRAN PEOPLE)
Israel has probably the best intelligence agency in the world, especially on Iran. If Israel said Iran is still working on Nukes their are only two possibilities Iran was still working on nukes or Israel was engaged in a misinformation campaign. One thing for sure is that Israel knows whether Iran is working on nukes or not.
Your uncle's also curse every 2 minutes?
@Wheels and the Legman and how about the heinas?
Another ignorant American
Patrick is insane when it comes to Iran, he cannot use any logic.
I’m no blind supporter of the current Iranian government but Pat doesn’t really understand the situation, he has an illogical, pro western view of Iran that has no basis in reality. He has this romantic view of the shah. I remember in another interview he got mad when the shah was referred to as a “dictator”. Pat is ridiculous
a lot like the people living in iran
@@JohnDoeX1966yes that's exactly it Patrick is looking from the Western point of view and he wants the west to succeed he does not want the best for Iranian people
PBD by itself is an IRANIAN - i can understand why he wants to whack the Eidolon
In this case, PBD was schooled by Reza. He couldn’t comprehend Reza’s argument that the free market will give access to the people of Iran and the sanctions is killing the people of Iran!
Naive assumption.
I agree 100% ... we just got back from visiting Iran. From speaking to common people of different backgrounds, I feel the people would be a lot happier and self-sufficient if they had access to the free market. Regardless of the government, people just want to live. America does not care about THE PEOPLE, the sanctions are hurting THE PEOPLE. With America, it's always about self-interests.
You're insane if u think giving money to their government will help make them a free market
@@davidchang5265sure you may be right! But, sanctions are not helping the people either. The sanctions ought to end. But it won’t because the powers that be do not care about the people.
@@davidchang5265 and how is sanction gonna help the people? Just look at the history of the US in the international stage, u can’t be serious if you think the US cares about the people of these other countries. They want control and they will get it at all cost, as history has proven.
Iran is the only country were kurds , turks , persians and armenians all peacefully unite !
This reminds me of when I was younger and my uncles and father used to debate after having an amazing day. They'd then hug and kiss eachother while leaving and repeat next week 😂
hahaha i have the same memories
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations
Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 .
NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
@@matthewmiri I remember they'd start swearing and shouting as if they were going to get into a fist fight but then when they tea arrives they'd calm down 😂
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 never trust anyone who copy and pastes the same thing in every comment.
@@rohatkarabulut2476 lol ah yes, chai can always resolve some of the most heated debates
Anytime someone is this emotional I immediately see red flags lol
Same goes to all the btc pumpers that get emotional about bAnKinG tHe uNBaNkeD in Africa 🤡
Liberalism is a mental disorder
Pat was really emotional here which blocked his brain from functioning
This is a super emotional topic guys
Just be greatfull you've been lucky to be born in the west.
@@MJMilano7 I did not find pat to be the emotional one in this debate
Love conversations like this. Im not sure he was expecting this type of interview, but it had to be done. If politicians talked like this, we’d find out alot. Great work
I don't think I have ever seen Patrick this passionate..... I loved it.
Yea but Patrick didn't listen to this dude at all. He was trying to make him pick a side and this dude thinking outside the matrix....he's saying not to pick any side bc is all corrupt
@@albertorynda740 Patrick sounded like a fucking fool he was all over the place
@@blackalgorithmist000 yea I was disappointed on how he approached this 🤦🏽♂️
Patrick was all feelings and little facts. You would think he would have a nuanced appreciation of US-IRAN relation. He sounds like a Lindsay graham, or another chicken hawk. His main argument is they-the Iranian regime ‘hates’ us and they said death to America. So we make policies based on political sloganeering. What a simpleton
I love when Pat doesn’t use “F” words, that means he is confident. Thank you for being a Gentleman you are.
lol yeah that's how you win debates by not using the "F word" wow what a criteria you can't debate against that
Be an adult. The F word is just another word. This isnt the 1st grade.
As an Iranian I have to say Reza Aslan is full of crap and he is a traitor to Iranian people.
True
Big difference between supporting a country and supporting that countries government.. lol
And regime change, ain’t now way Americans would send weapons to Iran.
Agreed. Just as I support the Chinese people, but certainly not their government. Same with the American people, and not the non-representative US government.
@Und3r_Bank3r the American government has most definitely given Iran weapons and hundreds of millions in cash.
@@CashMoolah00 why they sent it to afghanistan, sent to iraq during gulf war
@@CashMoolah00 we are losing our own weapons at the moment why would we give them some? Also in a way the new 1.7 trillion deal gives some money to Irans government since some is being sent there for boarder protection or something if I recall right. This country is going to die off soon if we cannot fix our priorities quick.
16:00 “You are defending khomenei“ after 16 minutes of conversation Patrick shows that while Reza is talking he is not listening. During that he only prepares his next argument. 😂 what a joke
*BEWARE OF REZA!* He doesn't support Trump or the populist Republicans.
He was indirectly defending mullahs. Isnt it strange he is asking for a nuclear deal (giving mullahs billions) and less sanctions? He is a slimey puppet.
Exactly! Patrick is showing how emotional and delusional he is when it’s the U.S government (CIA) which overthrown the democratic elected president back in 1954 and installed the Shah who was an oppressive American PUPPET. The current Iran leaders are the RESULT of America’s FAILED foreign policies throughout the world. They create more problems than they actually solve.
Exactly
and then at 22:58 he says Raza is for the government bullying its people. That guy is a clown and dishonest
Since the first day I started following PBD I used to think of Patrick as an intelligent person. Sadly, this interview exposes that an intelligent person can become so stupid when his judgemental is clouded by sentiment of blanket hatred for a country hates so much.
Very often he is proven wrong on his opening statement with facts and interrupts alot when guests are smart when is his own right wing guests he let's them talk more
I love how Patrick gives Reza only two options for which regime he prefers… but then gives himself THREE options in terms of the nuclear deal.
Hes always fishing like that
Because Patrick thinks the Iranian are too dumb to have a democratic Govt as option 3.
Exactly, I was crying out for Reza to restrict him to the two options he proposed just as Patrick had insisted on!
PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.
This is why PBD is one of the best! He constantly brings on people who disagree with him or have different opinions which is what we need! Keep doing what you do PBD don't change
i'm waiting for the culture shock when it's arrived P4F
You were watching a different debate. Patrick was way out his depth.
@@lescarman6580 This wasn't a debate. It was an interview.
and those generations born pre 1990 needed to be doing what we are doing now, which is uniting and not complaining about minimum wage trying to afford a $1.2M house while driving a tesla hahaha
@@lescarman6580
you're siding with a guy arguing like an undeveloped 8th grader.
About 18 years ago, traveling from Brasil, Rio de Janeiro, to NYC, sitting next to me was a Iranian young man, 26 Years old. When the airplane was flying and the mountains apear on the window, I notice his sadness. We started a conversation and he sad to me that those mountains remind him of Iran. ...that he missed his Country but he new he would never go back because of the Government. He was the only one that survive from his family. His father, Mother and two sister die during the time they were leaving.
I always pray for him.
I believe he is safe and probably had great opportunities here.
God bless!
You are praying for pagan whos family went against people who follow God???
@@keksi6844🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@keksi6844how is he a pagan ?????
@@keksi6844Is it not the sick who need a doctor?
Neither of you can speak on behalf of Iran. The current government would have been able to accomplish significant improvements for its people if the sanctions were lifted. When individuals are provided with opportunities, true freedom can be achieved.
Pbd honestly does try to put words in peoples mouth and say he caught them slipping. That shit gets old, I’ve seen it now with multiple guests.
that guy is one of the most stupid people to ever grace the podcast world
PBD has no winning argument and he knows that so he plays the loud voice interrupt technique and calling his opponent naive 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Facts, that’s literally all he does in every single interview
Really Reza Aslan only cusses
It is insane how it took just one chat to expose how ignorantly arrogant, extreemly biased and disturbingly chauvinist Patrik is. I had lots of respect to him prior to watching this video..
Ps: I am not Iranian and judging solely based on his reactions here...
Same here brother, he became extremely biased and doesn't at all care about Iranians
in this interview I noticed that Patrick is not that sharp. You can tell his lack of deep thinking on this topic. He can't surpass layer 2 and I think him not having studied anything is the reason for it.
I'm from there, and I can guarantee it with my life that Patrick is right. What Aslan is saying sounds good but, in actuality, strengthens and enriches the regime. A lot of people like Aslan are puppets and useful idiots of the Islamic Republic.
As an IranianI I find it interesting that both of these guys have left Iran many years ago when they were only a kid and when the population of the country was 1/3 of what it is now. Lower poulation always means more facility richer people, less problems etc. For example we only have almost ten million Afghan refugees living in the country so the situation is very different from what they have in their minds. By the way I find Reza more reasonable in this debate. The problem with PBD is he thinks very idealistic and he forgets the fact that the country is heavily surrounded by Isis, Taliban, Al Qaeda etc. Any revolution or instability of the country can lead to a HUGE disaster for ordinary people. These terrorist groups did not exist when he left Iran and the situation was totally different. Also he thinks only the Clergies(Akhounds) in Iran are morons and deceitful and the American politicians are Saints and honestly I dont think so.
I agree with you fully!
Where I lost respect for PBD, was when he pleaded to the Israeli government to start flooding Iran with weapons about a year ago during the protests. It’s not like he hasn’t seen what happened to Lydia and Syria. What he proposed would lead to millions of deaths and I’d never forgive him for that absolutely stupid plea!
So there.
You don't have sympathy that he lives and works in a slave state of the jews, and he works in a jew-dominated biz?
Patrick is an instigator, he not only "Capitalist", he is an Imperialist as well. The USA, Britain destroyed Iran is the early days, Iran does not have a history within the past 200 hundred years to be sailing or riding across the world, enslaving people, committing genocide, annihilations, assassinating leaders, overthrowing administrations, stealing resources and filing their greedy pockets etc. The Shah is no one to speak of. Had not for the West, they would not be having this discussion. Patrick has no standing in opposition of Iran, or support for the USA, his position bias and hypocritically misplaced. The Nuclear programme, Iraq and Libya are good reasons why N. Korea hold on to their weapons because, if they destroy them, NATO will be at their doors.
@@eddiedehkordi4639 Really when did he do that?
@@JKTProductionzIncNCo The very first few weeks of the unrests last year.
I listened to his program and I couldn’t believe my ears. Lost all respect.
Patrick speaks out of emotions while Reza speaks facts. Both the Shah and current regime was/is based on dictatorship and any critisim was met with severe punishment. Now the argument Reza is making is both regimes were bad while Patrick indirectly saying he would pick the lesser of 2 evils because he personally experienced the treatment under the current regime as he was too young to young to understand what went on during the Shahs regime.
As a Venezuelan I empathize with the Iranian situation. It's frustrating to see that any effort by the international community only makes the regime stronger.
"Iternational Community" being a handful of Nations with no choice but to agree with the US and UK regimes, a handful out of 214 countries and territories. It's such a term of delusion.
It's because they're designed that way..
It's not exactly like that.. In fact when talking UK and Russia you're talking about the one and only true conflict which has been constantly for about 2 centuries.. except for 4 occasions in which they made an alliance all of whom involves Iran at its center.. the WWI, WWII, Iran Nuclear Program and the 2020 events..
But you got one thing right which is that the US is the younger BIGGER brother of the UK
The $150B was to provide the regime with immunity against an upcoming Trump administration...
Not related to this video but since you're Venezuelan Ever watch the show Hunting Hitler on the history channel? Just got through watching 3 seasons and was surprised about how many Nazis ended up in Venezuela, Uruguay, and some other places in South America. As well as how many leaders supported them. It's even a possibility Hitler ended up there himself. Ever hear about any of that or know any Germans that their families came around the 1940s??? Also makes me wonder if that's why America was involved in coups in South America. That led to the governments being overthrown.
13:51 Surprised to see Patrick playing chequers whilst Reza is playing chess. Pat is usually so level headed. Obviously not regarding Iran!
@Regis Johnson you are aware the nuclear deal was solely founded on the hope (lol) that a country that kill women for not wearing a burka corrrectly would liberalize and not want a nuclear weapon after like 15 years of trade and exposure to western media.
The deal was not in perpetuity, it had an end date, at this end date Iran would have more money, knowledge, and scientist - after china failed to liberalize, you are really saying a further extreme Iran would do so in less time?
@TechDeck your comment got blocked by YT, I can see it though. You’re absolutely spot on!
He's a featherweight ,he knows nothing about the history of things ,i mean basic historical facts you get from reading ..
@Regis Johnson believe me, I know sanctions do not work. And neither will “liberalization” (most societies view the west as decadence and collapsing)
There are two options, either “we” (the United States military) make it so they are not nuclearly armed, or we allow the leaders of the nation to pursue what they deem is correct and hope that mutual assured destruction still works (as it has for 70 years)
I am in the latter camp
Patrick isnt even Persian, hes assyrian. Iran isnt even his country.
I'm Swedish and I've been to many Muslim countries. I have met NOTHING but great people. I can understand that both in Christianity and Muslims there are people who are bad, but I've had nothing but good encounters.
If you mean Iran as a Muslim country, for westerns who don't know anything outside of Europe or America, Iran is Islamic country but not a single Islamic country consider Iran as a Islamic nation, you know what they call Iranians ? "Shias" or " fire worshipers" because of ancient Iranian religion was "Zartosht", Iranians consider themselves as Iranians not Muslims.
You’re always welcome, bro.
Es ssalam alaikum ❤️
@@Iamthatgoy Thank you my friend! I'm going to Dubai in April again and I am as always looking forward to it!
@@Patriot12985nobody says that, stop lying and iranians are muslims, yes there are a large number of iranians who are secularists but still people are muslims so don’t lie
@@pingpong1465 no, iranians are mostly atheist
Worst I’ve seen… PBD let the guy finish his points. Argumentative, interrupting… Your emotions are too much for a logical conversation. You don’t need another Adam…
Hell of a conversation. Very informative and entertaining debate. This was 10/10 for my lunch break
Yup. Not one attack on each other’s character or name calling. I love the nuance
Research the Hashashin/Assassin's.
The word Assassin comes from them the Assassin's.
They murdered Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders.
The Iranian/Persian have ties to the Shia (Fake Muslim) Assassin's.
Don't let them deceive you.
It's not 10/10. Wow we are losing intellect. Patrick is not smart
Patrick actually messes this up, he’s not the smartest tool. It’s frustrating, could’ve been great.
Only Reza's thoughts were informative. Half a day of his life, wasted on talking to PBD but at least the people who follow PBD got to hear a smart guy explain foreign policy as regards Iran, for a change.
As a viewer from Samoa🇼🇸 I’m a massive fan of Patrick and what he’s doing to the MSM…I know alot about whats happening in the world from PBD podcast.
FYI, in this debate I am impressed how composed Pat is and the other guy was getting frustrated to the point he was swearing alot😂
To be fair Patrick was putting word in his mouth when the guy refused to choose the previous (slightly less murders) regim over current ( murders) regim and said neither .
You mean FSM?
Kefe
But if you truly understand the history of the Iranian Revolution you would be very frustrated at PBD too and I actually commend Reza for being almost saint-like here with his patience in even being able to speak and explain his rebuttals and reasoning to PBD....As a viewer viewing this painful debate I'd wish I can reach my hand into the monitor and choke some damned reason and reality into PBD.
We’ll as an Iranian I can tell you the other guy grasps the issues in Iran much better. Pat is off
Is there any time Patrick answer a question? This is a really good and respectful conversation, but could be more good if he understand people has other position or he can listen and understand the other position.
Pat has a one track mindset, he’s always right and everyone else’s opinion is irrelevant. He is what he hates, sounds like a typical liberal.
Well said
From what I see no. I don't understand how his podcast is popular. Interupting and calling his guest neive is a common theme from what i have seen., while being afraid to entrain ideas you disagree with.
As an Iranian living in Iran...my man, America isn’t the one who’s oppressing us...islamic republic is (even though America is actively trying to keep the government in iran but thats a discussion for another day). Even if we were free to communicate and trade and shit we couldn’t bc of the lack of accessibility that the policies of the islamic republic provide .
BS. It's US sanctions destroying the iranian people
Long live islamic iran
America literally sanctioning yall lmao 😂
You guys just want access to western europeans. A lot of you in the middle east really believe that euro americans are going to be all buddy buddy with you because you guys are scientifically labeled Caucasian.
You guys just want access to Europeans in the western world. Just say it already
The more I watch Pbd the more I realize he has a simplistic understanding of most complicated topics. A lot of his guests spend their lives in a certain profession or engaged in a particular goal and pbd comes in arguing as though he knows better and almost always demonstrates fundamental misunderstandings of the given topics
the more i read libtard comments the more I reckognize the empty grandstanding and it always reminds me of the south park episode where kyle's family moves to san fransisco where they learn to love the smell of their own farts.
@@susanthejew6351 Whats wrong with u dude? Guy is expressing his opinion and you shoving your libtard bs. Life is not about Red vs Blue. Wake up and put yourself together.
I think you misunderstand PBD. He is very opinionated but I think he understands more than you give him credit for. He did not get to where he is by being a simpleton. I would suggest that he is trying to simplify the problem for the benefit of his audience.
@@susanthejew6351explains a lot, you’re a Jew. Go circumcise little bois with your mouth like in South Park.
agree. if he believes something emotionally, you can bring what ever facts you want, he will never budge. He did the same with the moon landing guest. he lives in his own bubble.
I love it! Two grown men talking, disagreeing passionately and fearlessly and without losing their temper! Both are gentleman of the first degree! It's been a long time fellows. Thank you. I thought you and those like you, except for me of course, had moved back to mars.
Your telling me you think Rezacdid not lose his temper? He absolutely did, and for good reason. This Patrick guy needs his head checked. He's an insurance salesman (wow) telling an educated man with lots of high level political consultancy experience that he is naive! This Patrick is what we in Iran call tokhmeh sag!
Patrick is an idiot, blathering on about give weapons to Iranian people, as if they would form an army and march on majlis! You live in a Hollywood movie Patrick! Again, I refer you to what America was sanctioning Cuba for SIXTY YEARS and Castro NEVER FELL! Get help, Patrick Khan! More like ahmaq Khan!!!
Didn’t we use that same logic long ago with China? Saturate the country with capitalism and the communists regime will melt away. How’s that idea working now?
5:44. 7:15
"Breaking bad! Foul mouthed parrot banned....."
You sure you aren't still there!? They very well did lose their cool, MARTIAN.
What a fun discussion to observe. Don’t know a ton about Iranian politics, but it’s a good thing they live in America and can discuss these things freely
I listened for Reza but Bet David needs to let his guests talk without trying to dominate them. I get it, he’s an alpha or whatever, but it’s not working.
PBD had only emotional, delusional and non factual arguments. Must be one of his most embarrassing debate ever.
What’s wrong with sending cargo ships of weapons to the port of Iran?
Is there a custom tax concern?
The majority here don’t agree with you. 😂😂😂
As an Ethiopian, this reminds me of the conversations that the old heads have debating whether Haile Sellasie's Empire, Derg's socialist junta, or Woyane's "pluralistic democracy" were the best conditions of living. I love these type of conversations man. Whichever side you're on, you can't deny that these two love Iran very much just like those countless old heads I heard in these restaurants.
How do they love Iran if they want it to become a vassal of America?
Ethiopia would be a richer and safer place today if Haile Selassie was never murdered in secret during the coup of 1974
As an Ethiopian what is your opinion regarding these debates?
If you had to decide which standard of living was better for those involved then who amongst the men you've stated was the most favored among the masses?
@@La_ilaha_illallah__ i do like the debates, thats why i watch the channel But this debate is problematic
First these guys have to decide,are they Iranians or are they Americans? after they figure it out, then their discussion has some meaning
@@zeus4354 i appreciate your take on the matter , stay blessed
Man i love how you use Farsi words ! I speak to my children the same way and this year for first time after 30 years I have one Persian student. I tell her one or two Farsi word between our conversations and it just makes my day❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Farsi baladi , Baba. 😅 that's all I know
Forsi harf mezani?😅it means “do you speak Farsi”
@@Este819 🤣 what does that mean??
Is it you loved in this debate?
How intelligent, informed, and enlightened is someone who emphasizes every retort with "fuck"
People who curse are usually intelligent. Fact.
I love PBD, and do not understanding politics in Iran, but I think in this case PBD let his emotions get the best of him. Even though Reza is more animated, his points make more sense and PBD didn’t have a strong rebuttal so he just keeps going back to the money even though Reza said multiple times that the money was never meant to go to the people. Very interesting conversation for sure.
Thats because nothing about this regime makes sense
yeah he seemed emotional, he may be right btw but he didnt convey his message as well
Is not good enough to just state your opposition, you still have to come up with a solution and that I did not hear from PBD.
PBD seems to think the only way to help Iran is to help them start a coup. I have zero knowledge on this issue but that seems like where he's at.
you are absolutely right. personally PBD comes across a bit too woke..
PBD: "So you support negotiating with a nation that hates america?"
Reza:" we dont negotiate with country that just love us we negotiate with everyone"
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Reza. This was a bad question. PBD - "You're going to get murdered today, do you want to get shot or stabbed". Reza pointing out both are bad.
Probably shot, more likely to have a more peaceful death than stab wound.
You can acknowledge both is bad but prefer one over the other.
I don’t know anything about this issue but love a good debate. Pat is usually right about most things ngl, Reza I never used to agree with but I’m being fair here. There can be an answer even if you acknowledge bad on both sides
@@kklh7918 PBD speaks confidently and persuasively but if you know anything about what he’s talking about on a deep level he’s often wrong, like here.
@@desertezz well said!
That’s because Reza is equating the shah as being equivalent to khomeini which is pure dishonesty. The shah held back when it came to executions and voluntarily stepped down. However Khomeini and khamenei have killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians and made living in Iran a hell. In the 60’s-70’s Iran was one of the fastest growing economies in the world and was a place many wanted to be. It’s completely insane to just say “they’re both as bad as each other because they’re dictators” when one is clearly better than the other and we have praised many kings before.
@@kklh7918 pat is almost never right, can you make one time he’s been?
PBD and Reza are both very passionate about this. I love seeing the passion!
Passion is not your friend. Clear, calm mind is better in any situation
PBD has brains.... Reza Aslan literally ate human brains.
This was great! I know very little to nothing about the history and current governmentql body of Iran and to hear two Iranian born men speak about the historical and current problems there has been enlightening. This is why I love PBD podcast! A very emotional but respectful debate. I know other Westerners feel the same especially when I say freedom and love to the people of Iran forever and ever✊
PBD is as clueless as any American about foreign affairs!
@@fwfeohow so?
@@Stevewatson3simply because he disagrees, nothing factual. 😂
This guy dropping his f bombs trying to seem tough 😂
Aslan works with NIAC ( LOBBIEST FOR TYRANNICAL REGIME ) shed on that guy , he is hated by our people
It seems to me like it is the first time I have seen PBD lost his cool and not listen to someone.
Big topic for Patrick and I 100% get it. But you both were talking alone at one point. Hope Iran will find a way to topple this hellbent regime.
Yup agreed
Hope the indoctrinated citizens in the west will find a way to topple their secular liberal everchanging moral regime
What an action packed debate!!! I loved watching this one, time just flew by! You have to have him back!
lol Pat was in Iran until 10 years old and he is an expert on the people
This is hilarious. I've never seen Patrick be irrational, which I believe he is being here. The Iranian in him definitely comes out in this interview.
The Iranian in him? Lol what type of comment is that
He is extremely irrational today. SMH. I didn't understand his argument.
@@Jon_Izzy He’s Iranian! There is nothing American about him
@@Jon_Izzy the arab in him them.
He's so Iranian
The guy with the degree knows exactly what is going on on those nuclear deals
We are already in the big crash , inflation is a catastrophe. This CPI report is a colossal failure. To bring the housing market to a halt,the FED will have to pull all the stops . The unfortunate issues is that the other market are being decimated. If you want to stay green ,you have to rely on a lot of diversification.
Currently up 15% and being carful. Still a better deal than leaving it in a savings or checking account yielding 0-1 percent interest.
People believe their currency has the worth it does because they have no other options. Even in a hyper-inflationary environment , individuals must continue to use their hyper-inflationary currency since they likely have minimal access to other currencies or gold /silver coins.
How can I reach out to this coach? Because I’m seeking for a more effective investment approach how good is this person at portfolio diversification, particularly with regards to digital assets?
She appears to be well-educated and well-read I ran a google search on her name and came across her website; Thank You for sharing.
Patrick can you stop saying "you defend the khomeini". the entire video he's calling it a "murderous regime". and Reza's so patient with you 😅😂
PBD retreats into certain “catch phrases” when he loses the argument.
Noticed that too.
He ended up being more of a realist in the last few minutes. Patrick should give him time to show any plan. Seemed to cut him off. I WANT TO SEE MORE.
Reza works for Islamic Republic. Good.
We definitely need more of this, please have another round with him david
Not a single of my Iranian family or friends know anyone or of anyone killed by the Shah. We had 1 family member who was picked up by SAVAK admitted to being communist. He was given a ticket to Moscow and 1 year later he came back!
3 hour episode needed!
I am not Iranian but as Indian expat born in Asia and raised in England it is so beautiful to hear PBD say he would love to take his kids there one day. My Persian friends in NYC do not feel any attachment to their motherland. Whatever was lost in their transition from Iran to the USA it’s sad to see some won’t have any affiliation to their country’s
Maybe they consider themselves Americans now. My ancestors came from Scotland. I am an American. Not a RIDICULOUS hyphenated version. I would like to visit maybe someday. But is the motherland to me & mine. A big NO
The ones with affiliation are the ones we need to worry about..... You legally immigrate to a country and become a citizen then you need to assimilate. Like Lonnie said, no room for hyphenation.
That’s because the “Persians” living outside of Iran are they only Iranians who want no affiliation with their government. The majority of irans love their government and don’t want to live abroad. Apply 1% of your brains capacity
Muslims worship a pedophile . I dont think any ill towards people not wanting to return to a land of backward savages
@@stevenfinch9026tf? 😂😂 Us Muslims only defend ourselves from anti Islamic people like you. So maybe stop targeting us and start respecting us.
lol PBD is such a narcissist ... dude wont let the guy speak.. he asks someone the question and wants to answer the question as well.. then proceeds to tell reza that reza's dad wouldn't have left Iran under shah regime lol.. he can tell you that someone is gonna lie in the future and when someone wont.. if you present facts, he'll resort to namecalling ("youre niave").. dude is difficult to watch at times.. he's like a wannabe bill o'reilly
Patrick, as an Iranian, it's important that we have diverse perspectives. We can disagree and still coexist peacefully. There's a spectrum of Iranian viewpoints, from those similar to yours to those aligned with organizations like NIAC, and even those with ideas like the Iranian regime. By engaging in open dialogue and tolerating different opinions, we can foster growth and progress.
Fascinating conversation Patrick. Thank you for bringing him on and having a civil conversation. Finally having two people who actually lived in Iran giving their opinions is such a fresh air. Most of the time we hear Americans or Israelis talking about it. Hearing both of your prospective was very refreshing. Keep the amazing work!
Just want to say I love watching this show. You guys are so genuine and straight talking. I find it so refreshing. Praying for Iran and it’s people ❤.
Seconded
Vatican Church and it's followers are similar to the fake Muslim Shia based in Iran.
Same for Zionists, fake Jews.
Research the Hashashin/Assassin's.
The word Assassin comes from them the Assassin's.
They murdered Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders.
Pray for your own country lol usa is not a utopia. People killing one another, the cops and government. I bet you dont pray for palestine either cause u know nothing about that situation either.
@@shirok124 I’m not from the USA. From the U.K. I do pray for my own country, USA too. We’ll highlighted on Palestine. I’ll lift them upwards too. Have a good day 😊
I LOVE how you both can discuss your differences, agree with each other and disagree with each other without calling each other names!! This was a such a healthy discussion and my favorite podcast is yours Patrick!!
No Reza didn’t he called shah fucking shah
The guy always has some conspiracy theory in his head that he hunts at but can't even clearly define! That is sad twice.
It's interesting you watch a video where man calls another man names and then compliment them for not doing exactly what they did in the video.
I don’t know video what you watched but it wasnt this video.
@@Coral_dude what you guys are experiencing is the power of propaganda. Brett David is one of the best in the business on the level of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder. He does a very good show of making himself seem objective and open to different ideas and such but ultimately he's just pandering to his audience just like most in American media.
The effect of someone watching him insult another guy and then complimenting him for the opposite is evidence of how powerful his techniques are. People see what he wants them to see not what actually is. Most people are too arrogant to admit that they've been manipulated so people like him always win. His victims will argue to death that somehow you're the one that got it wrong. This guy is a great guy blah blah blah. He is a pro so most people don't have a chance being able to see through his tricks just like fans of Ben Shapiro legitimately think he's a very honest guy when he's overtly not
Negotiate with countries that don’t agree us. Diplomacy. Very simple and well stated. The host is ignorant and stubborn.
Y’all need an episode specifically on Iran! This was awesome
We are Assyrians from Iran as well. Moved to Australia just after khomani came in to power. My parents loved their country and had to move because of khomani. 100% agree with PBD
Iranian govt is not islamic
Patric is naive!
@@JavHos98yeah he's a bit naive bro
He thinks this regime is gonna change and bend over lol
Never gonna happen they are so brutal
@@NikkiMonavari they’re not just brutal but if this regime goes who comes to power? The opposition is filled with dummies! The movements in Iran don’t have any strong ideology behind it!
As a Serbian, this is very similar to my Serbian friend debating my Croatian friend on the Yugoslavian war
10000%
Heard this exact same conversation since I was a kid.
And I understand Reza being irritated and anxious, as someone wrote. Talking to someone who's not as bright as he think he is, is really tuff. Especially when that person dosen't bring any insight, facts or solutions to the table. Your intellect is not being entertained but your patience and mood is.
❤Aslan
REzan won the conversation , Patrick was alwasy fanatic in his approach he seems to be radical terorrist
@@KevinMartin-yy9wv
He's not educated in the matter, or in general. He's not knowledgeable, he's not that bright. He paints pictures with broad strokes. Pictures based on fear and what ifs..
Which is a great recepie for extremism.
That's what one should expect when knowledge is replaced with prejudice and bias.
I belive he's views have partly been inherited by his parents/enviroment and partly are a result of indoctrination and trying to fit in with the strong, stupid, American government stance in the matter.
It all boils down to ignorance.
Patrick clearly got emotional. I was impressed when I saw Pat debate Neil Tyson and how he kept his cool. That objectivity was not present here
I agree got real emotional and used his emotion to express himself and made the man choose .. who tf would choose any of those regime lol crazy
@@fabolousjada5070 youd be surprised how many Iranians unironicaly support the shah. It’s ridiculous
@@fabolousjada5070 Shah is worse
Because it’s his country. Every Iranian you have ever met has had this kind of debate in private at home over dinner. Now it’s public. No way you can stay objective and level headed if Iran was your country
@@alireact1827 Shah was the best shut up. People left Iran as soon as Khomeini came into power
I love how the love for your home country comes through. I can tell you both love your home country especially when you guys talked about going back with your kids one day.
Also your line “you can’t be that naive, you have 4 degrees, I have none” 😂😂😂 I really felt this one!!! Haha
Patrick missed the point that Reza was making about stimulating the Iranian economy and how that would help the Iranian people. This would empower the people of Iran to push for change. Patrick seems to be lost in his hatred on the current Iranian regime and his love for the United States of America.
@@DanReh thank you for your insight. I saw that too. But my interpretation of what Pat was saying is that he wanted to know how the money would get into the hands of the people. Because what it sounds like is, it has to go through the corruption of the Iranian regime and the money would not go to the people.
That’s just my take on this conversation (video clip). I am definitely not educated on the history of politics in these countries. 😊
@@DanReh also just curious…what Rez is suggesting for the Iranian people, is that the same strategy the US tried to do for Afghanistan and it’s people before we exited a couple years ago?
@@Candice-Tara The strategy in Afghanistan was invasion through military force. We are not talking about military invasion here. So, it’s not the same strategy as Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was a disaster on many levels but I digress.
What Reza is doing in this video is defending the JCPOA, which is the Iran Nuclear Deal under the Obama administration. Reza argues that removing sanctions from Iran is a good idea because it allows for policies that lead to the economic liberalization of Iran.
I’ll give you a quick example. One of the items that is currently banned under the sanctions on Iran are carpets. So, if you are a carpet maker in Iran, you cannot sell your carpets internationally. You are cut off from the international market place. All sanctions do is hurt the Iranian people, not the government. The government is able to make money though black markets. Now the government is more powerful and the people are less powerful. It’s become almost impossible for Iranians to rise up against the government. Reza makes the point that 45 years of sanctions has made the people poor and the government rich. The policy of blanket sanctioning Iran doesn’t work.
Removing sanctions gives the Iranian people access to the international market place, which leads to economic liberalization. The Iranian people start becoming powerful because they are making money and gaining capital.
Patrick keeps arguing the money doesn’t go to the people. But it’s does, through these economic policies. However, these same policies also benefit the Iranian government. Patrick is completely blinded by his hate of the Iranian regime and he doesn’t see the big picture. He is complete caught up in the 150 billion dollars (which is part of the JCPOA deal, and is money that belongs to Iran anyways) going to the Iranian regime. He just doesn't seem to understand that Iran would have to pursue economic policies that would benefit the Iranian people. His "brilliant" idea having the US government stage a coup. This is nuts and will get a lot of innocent people killed.
Reza Aslan is a traitor. Plain and simple.
I disagree with pat on this one he is biased and feels like iran is evil which is not a good place to start to negotiations
Not Iran. The Islamic Republic is evil. I'm not sure where you get your news from, but I can tell you're definitely not Iranian.
I work with almost exclusively Iranians. And they all say what a bad place it is.
This was a masterclass in respectfully debating passionately from opposing viewpoints
Pdd: “do you like apples? “
The other guy : “no”
Pdb: why are you saying you don’t like bananas ??”
Literally 😂
Love u bro but u gotta let this man answer how he pleases whether yall r on the same page or not, dont guiderail his answers thats not right... Allow his answers to be what they may.
The subtext is that Reza had collaborated with a terrorist organization. He did take blood money and did support policies that strengthen this regime but was expertly deflecting from the darker results of his actions and expertly framed each question so that his stance look reasonable.
For example, Reza worked for the propaganda arm of the Iranian government, but we shouldn't view it as supporting terrorists, bc he works for a lot of ppl as an expert on religion... Get it? Doing PR for terrorists is all right if you have a Ph.D.!
@@prizmajeno If what you’re saying is true he would’ve been in jail
@@Ko0okieeZ It is true. The UK is preparing to formally declare that Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) is a terrorist organization. The US did it in '19!
The army of the state is a terrorist organization! Obviously the army serves the regime!
Reza Aslan worked for NIAC, a propaganda organization of the same terrorist regime!
He is a collaborator, he did helped the regime to get some 150 miliard $s... maaaaaaybe he was naiv! But he is Iranian, he must have known what kind of ppl he is promoting!
And these guys are leaning in hard into the comic book super villain role! Look up #WomenLifeFreedom! Absolutelly disgusting how the regime treats the ppl of Iran! Whatever atrocities you can imagine armed forces can commit against civilians multiply it by a hundred. I mean an 8 year old child was shot dead on the street for chanting protest slogans! Raping teenagers before execution, burning political prisoners, shelling cities, just the last few months!
And ofc they are selling drones to russia, they are sponsoring anti US, anti Isrrael terrorists, and try to be a pain in everybodies ass. All in the name of Islam, while the actual elite lives luxuriously in the west!
As if they went after every badguy badge imaginable! Once you read up on it it becomes harder and harder to imagine that such a smart guy believed diplomacy is an option with these goons!
@prizmajeno Nonsense, if you have evidence you need to go to the FBI.
Reza Aslan owned him seriously owned him
I am a Right-wing Pro-imperialist (slightly north but very Right-Wing)
I must say I agree with you. He mentioned how the plan for DECADES has been sanctions and it didn't get anywhere for regime change. As for the Nuclear deal issue it was to stop Armageddon and NOT about saving Iran from the Government.
Reza was taking a multi-faceted tact to the argument I appreciated
@Lynette Agueda 🤦♂
Absolutely!
@Lynette Agueda Old British 👑Empire. If they didn't colonize some other more hostile entity would have. I think the British did A LOT of good for staging independent for modern day countries such as Jamaica. America is a protectorate of modern day Puerto Rico - and thank God it wasn't controlled by some of the economically shit countries near it.
Russia has similar areas but they aren't great at regulating them. Best that Ukraine stays free of Russia domination - HOWEVER its (*Ukraine's) ignorance of geopolitical interests is irritating (and problematic).
@Lynette Agueda Russia never should have murdered their Czar👑 without a new Czar to take the place. Very sad to see ignorant Leftists kill a counties relative stability. I would be on the side of the 'Decemberists Revolt' rather than the later revolutions perverse by people like Carl Marx🧧.
PBD does not listen! He just reacts!!
Very interesting to have guests that give different points of view, keep it up
*wrong points of view
@@OmegaMouse i think these issues are a tiny bit more complicated than « right or wrong »
Reza is amazing Patrick son you been schooled today . Thanks for having him on
The one thing I learned about watching debates like this is once a person starts cursing, they’ve already lost the debate.
And David Supported Trump after the Saudi deal so Let's not put him up on a pedestal as somebody who doesn't like to deal with those kind of counties or Actually give a fuck about Human Rights.
Its infuriating whenever Trump supporters pretend that they care about about Iranians
Yeah. PBD asked if Iran would have been better off under the Shah (obviously yes) and Azlan chose some imaginary third option which he never disclosed. Maybe he would have like George Washington or Alfred the Great to lead Iran?
it sounds low IQ to cuss in a serious conversation. I feel like he sounded like a millennial youtuber.
Exactly. Using effeminate intonation and waving hands like a teenager also doesn’t help.
@@ghostman76015 yes cussing and getting emotional about relatives who habe been getting shafted by US sanctions for 40 years Is low IQ. Meanwhile you all pretend to be I'm the holocaust when Mcdonalds ask you to wear a mask
Patrick this guy and his organization should never ever talk from Iranian people PERIOD.
Love seeing discussions like this. I see no bad blood, just a passions conversation.
Both people wanting the same thing, but have different ways about it.
No. Aslan wants mullahs stay. Being an apologist for mullahs is a complicated job in 2022
This Reza guy got to PBD's skin on this one.everyone has a soft spot.PBD lost his composure on this one
Agreed! If Iran joins the world free market even regime members join the private market and make more money than now and need to control people less as that may harm their profits
Absolutely not. Reza was trying to use chameleon techniques to avoid certain debates. But knowing well he can not fool Patick.
Pat was far too emotional I thought.
Would love to see this dude back and for Pat to be more open minded
This is sarcasm I hope lol
Pat had a very mature view point on this
LOL you mean the other clown
@@HealthTruthMovementare you serious? PBD thinks we shouldn’t negotiate with any country that hates us. You realize that’s like half of the world right? We’ve committed literal war crimes in other countries, of course they’re going to hate us. But that’s not how diplomacy works. You negotiate with whoever has your best interests, period.
@@mrcounterpack i dont like Reza that much but he sure fucked Pat up in this debate. First time in a loooong time that Pat looked like a fool.
PBD was doing a worse job than usual keeping his emotions in check just enough to appear unbiased but he was snorting with anger at on point and saying I just want your opinion