MEMBRANE sails - should you buy them for cruising? - Ep. 197:2 RAN Sailing
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Johan talks to the sailmaker Claes at Gransegel in Malmö about the benefits of different sail cloths, what material to use in sails and why you should use the Cunningham.
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A couple of years ago, I bought two used sails from one of the guys at the Gransegel loft. The jib was made by that guy for his own boat, and Claes showed me the sails and talked about how to trim them. Two cups of coffee and two hours later I drove home with a big smile after the best lesson about sails I have ever had. He's genuinely a nice and social guy with massive knowledge, experience and enthusiasm to teach about sails.
At 13:40 this sail maker tips his hand.
He assiduously explains cost benefit analysis of dacon vs modern laminates.
This is the go ahead signal for me... here's a guy more interested in educating his customers than increasing their bill. He's a good guy, by his own made example...
Developing a relationship with one shop, you know you can trust.... is priceless.
well, he is selling the laminates designs, so he should know how to sell their benefits.. if he were selling the dyneema cloth, his story might have been different...
He knows you will need sails in the future. So, you will come back to him, and likely recommend him. This education benefits his business more than just trying to take your money just one time. He is thinking long term.
I have never sailed a boat.... That man impressed the Hell out of me.... I actually understood what he was saying.... And English is a second language to him.
Impressive.
Claes has an enormous amount of sail knowledge. Hopefully he is mentoring someone as an apprentice. This amount of know how is hard to come by.
What a legend!
Of all the many, many sailing videos I've watched, this (and part 1) is probably the most informative I've ever watched! GREAT! I've read many articles and sailmaker's websites about sail selection and none were as helpful. Also, his explaination of the Cunningham vs. tightening the halyard was excellent. I had been unaware of the different effect on the leach.
Hopefully, they will take him along for a sail. I've sailed with good veteran sailmakers twice, and each time I got at least two full seasons' worth of trimming knowledge and general seamanship.
Wow. Their is a reason world champion sailing teams go to him. Amazing thorough knowledge of his craft.
This man doesn't just cut and sew sails.....he knows WHY....
A craftsman.
When you go sailing this summer please be sure to show some of the techniques that are being discussed here, so we can actually see how Claes' way works. We have seen you do it for years and would like to hear your opinions on how it works for you as far as not having to reef in higher winds that before you would have reefed
I am amazed with the amount of time Claes has given to you Johan, obviously a man who knows what he is talking about. It's always enjoyable to meet with craftsmen like him who are willing to share their knowledge. Very informative video, well done and thanks for sharing.
The sailing community needs that guy to write a series of books.
Learned more about sails in 20 minutes than 10 years of fooling myself on the water.
What an amazing man. I could listen to him for hours!
Claes, your 44 years of experience is evident listening to you speak with great passion and knowledge. I understood probably 25% of what you said but enjoyed 100%. 👏
I like listening to anyone that has this amount of knowledge and passion for their craft.
Cool 2 part series. Fun to hear a master craftsman explain his trade.
HOLY WOW! I am a jack of all and still have an Elgin that can sew leather. This man reminds me of my late grandfather. To be able to mentally envision the stresses on the bias of a material and build in compensation by design is awesome. And to be honest and forth right with cost V performance is spectacular. What a gentleman!
That was a lot of very interesting information about sails. Claes is an amazing craftsman. Thanks for sharing!
As a windsurfer I had to learn a lot about sail shape, draft location and how different wind conditions affected them, so I could relate a lot to what Claes was talking about.
I love how you’re gleaning all you can from the mind of a sailmaker and sharing it with us. There’s much to be learned about sailing from a sailmaker
Claes must get a lot of satisfaction watching his companies sails performing so well on the open seas . It’s also great that you took the time to video this man and his craft . I am sure that he ,his family and friends will treasure this for many years to come .
This is wonderful. I have sailed for 60 years and have not heard such a knowledgeable explanation of sail making and materials. Thanks.
I will never have the opportunity to sail, but I love these videos. Just the technical aspects of design, construction and manufacture of sails is incredible. This man's knowledge and passion is second to none. Thanks for the education!
Not only incredibly personable, but a complete master of his sailmaking art as well.
I wish I still had my boat so I could buy some sails from this guy! Go RAN II
Love you guys... thanks for all the excellent English.... you and this talented sail maker have me feeling like I am with old friends. Thanks.
Never wanted to watch something over and over in case I missed something. What an education on sails!
What a master in his field. You don't get to see that too often. Very special today.
I had an OE:36 many years ago and me and two friends planned to sail south. We bought three sails from Claes and I still remember his enthusiasm and knowledge!
It was very nice sails.
What a great guy. His knowledge is immense and I love his voice!
Wow. Just wow. Thank you to both you & Claes. What a legend & so kind of him to take the time, expound his knowledge & educate one to make the best choices possible. I tip my hat!
You know it's real when sail guy keeps dropping F bombs. I love it.
Thank you for the English. I'd watch even with subtitles but can't deny that being lazy and just listening is much more comfortable.
What an outstanding and interesting man/sail(ing) aficionado. Listening to him speaks volumes on how far sailing has progressed since transitioning from the oar into the scientific realm.
Master Class. I could be hours listening to him. Thank you for sharing this and thank you Claes for sharing your knowledge with us. Loved this last 2 episodes.
We had a full batten membrane sail on our boat when we were just in the Chesapeake Bay. We switched to dacron and no battens before we left to go cruising and they have served us very well for the past 3 years.
Been sailing all my life .... even so, I learned much great stuff from this master-class tutorial. Thank you for sharing! Ran II Rocks! 💥🤛🏽💯
Perfect episode! Not without reason people from all over the world order gennakers made by Claes. Added value sells itself!
I’m not an experienced sailor but you communicate so well you made this a fascinating discussion.
I’m going to have to watch this series several times to take all this in. Thank you very much!
Wow, well done you guys!! I've learned more about sails in the last 20 minutes than in the several decades I've been sailing.
brilliant interview series and very well made. this guy is absolute impressive! Thank you very much TEAM RAN!!!
Left to sail around the world on my 43ft monohull with a new set of dacron sails. At the time the best choice was really just 9oz dacron. My, how the choices and considerations have changed since I returned 12 years ago. Learned so much from this vid, thanks for taking the time and also for asking such great questions. And of course Claes must be a Swedish treasure!!
Wow...sail 101. A true artisan of his craft. I found that fascinating. I think you both learnt a huge amount from that discussion. Great informative episode....bravo👍
Another informative episode. Thank you Ran 2
It is so nice to see and hear an expert who loves his job even if you do not understand it.
Johann, I did get a set of North 3di Norac sails last season. These are Dacron membrane sails made with the same process used on their racing sails at their facility in Nevada. These are meant for the cruising market. If you order in the fall they offer a better price as this is when they have surplus capacity. The sails are amazing. One piece, even the batten pockets are “molded in” so there is no stitching and they are completely smooth. The price was only about 10 to 15% more than a triradial made with a high quality Dacron. The total for a 150% Genoa and main on a 34’ Tartan was just under $US 8k. I would highly recommend them.
Johan, you could leave that sail up in 25-28 just by trimming it correctly. Bone the outhaul, Cunningham on, backstay on...play the traveler and main sheet to control twist. SF Bay is breezy, we rarely reef, we’ll go to smaller/flatter headsails first.
We put one of our 5 reefs in at 30 knots or 20 if my wife is onboard.
You are assuming a bendy rig which is rare on a cruising boat.
I have a Baltic37. My stick is a telephone pole. Flatten the main, smaller headsail. I have no furlers.
Wow, what a technocrat when it comes to sails! Great interview and transfer of knowledge when it comes to sails. I'll always look at sails, the material used and their associated hardware, differently from now on. Thanks for sharing!
To know as much as Claes does, it takes a lot of time and effort. But to be willing to share that knowledge with others it takes a lot of humbleness. Thank you Claes
Claes gives good sail speak. Like many, I had always wondered why the boat seems to go better on one windward tack than the other -- especially when the genny (sorry, yenny) has a few rolls in it. His explanation about which way the furler rolls (clockwise or anti-clockwise) and whether the rolled up part of the sail is to windward or leeward finally explains it. One of these years (when this coronavirus business is finally behind us) I hope to be on the water again to test the theory. Thanks Claes.
Brilliant! Thanks for sharing this. Claes explains things so well and everything he says makes so much sense. keep up the great videos.
Wow! That guy is really, really smart! I'll be re-watching this video to catch up with that wealth of knowledge. Thanks for sharing a wonderful technical video.
Really enjoyed these two videos guys: thanks for taking the time to cut it all together!
Wow, I knew sail technology was surely interesting but never had imagined it so far advanced and so boat specific. That was very interesting and informative. Of course, I have very limited knowledge about sails being only an occasional sailor.
yes, sails are the engines of the boats, just like race car engine design, there is a lot of engineering CAD going into sails the past 30 years, that is why america cup boats win, because of the superior CAD designs of the sails and new materials used.. and cruisers benefit because the technology eventually becomes mainstream and much lower cost. *HOWEVER* I am in disbelief that these synthetic sails are beneficial for the environment, because essentially they are cloth coated in plastic, and when the sails luff or break down from UV, then the plastic begins to flake off, and the plastic flakes go straight into the ocean, polluting the waters with even more microplastics. That is not good at all. Dacron is simple cloth and does not pollute oceans with tiny bits of plastic.
Really interesting. Thank you Claes (and RAN) for the insights.
Comprehensible to someone who sails only vicariously. Thank you.
04:14 Oh boy, it's kicking off now. O.O Claes could make me a sail any day, though, he seems to actually be an absolute wizard of sails. Very nice!
Thank you so much for the video, and thank you Claes for the lesson!
I learned a lot, and would like to see a video on sail shape and trim while sailing.
Cheers!
Some day we need to have Johan translate a bit more. Also seems like this sail maker is really good at his craft. 👍
I did learn some things from this video. Thank you for sharing it.
Thanks guys. Learnt a lot, as did Johan by the sound of it! That's the great thing about sailing - always learning.
Very interesting and valuable video and learned something about the effect of the use of the cunningham versus the halyard in terms of the mainsail twist and draft position. Thank you. One great thing about sailing is you never stop learning. I recently ordered a new mainsail and have gone for the spectra material, but then my use is very different than yours. Interesting to see what you'll end up choosing. Claes should write a book, I'm buy it for sure.
MAN!!!! The knowledge you extracted from that discussion is amazing! Thank you so much for sharing all of that with us! Simply awesome!
Very interesting episode. Learned a lot ... never occurred to me, but it’s obvious now, that a roller-reefed Genoa will perform better on a port tack because of the thick rolled luff. Great two videos. Thanks.
Thank you guys. I could have watched and listened for another hour!
Claes is an amazing craftsman. Thanks for sharing.
Not only is claes a very knowledgeable sail maker but he's very funny as well lol !!
Ett sånt här avsnitt på svenska vore fantastiskt. Hade Gransegel på min Accent för 100 år sedan.
Listened to this guy 3 times!
His last gem was something I hadnt considered with the shape of roller furling headsails, how on one tack they will be much better than the other due to the entry conditions on the luff when reefed due to the thickness of the roll,
I was fascinated by his knowledge. Good questions. I was thinking that in mast furling on a Pearson 530 that membrane was the way to go. With 1,232 total sail area @ $200 us it's 246,000. Ouch, guess not in my budget but still really interesting.
Thanks for watching! You got the numbers wrong. It’s 200-250 US $ per m2, not ft2. So in you case a set of good quality membrane sails would cost around 28.000$. Still quite a lot of money though! 😊 Cheers!
@@RANSailing whew, that's much better. That might be worth it as both masts have been upgraded to in mast furlers.
Thanks For Sharing!
I enjoyed listening to this information!
Dacron, Spectra and Dyneema, all materials we use for bow strings in archery too. For similar reasons. Dacron these days is for very basic bows only.
Very interesting video, thanks !
Wow, so much to learn. I actually started watching other RUclips videos on my phone about sail shape while this was on :)
Absolutely fascinating stuff....many peeps would charge for this 'information lecture'....what a guy. Thanks for showing us this and thanks to Claes for doing his best to explain it all in English too.
What a pleasure to watch and listen to thx
Wow, finally explained in a way I understand it now! Great episode!
Love the vids, even standing in a warehouse you are able to show us how to sail, great questions. I would have like to have known what the difference between the different hanging sails (materials)
Fascinating!
Excellent, what a wonderful expert. Learned so much
very informative, thank you and thanks to Claes. Good video, I know more than I thought I would from just these two.
Terrific information.
Thanks for these interesting videos. Claes knows his stuff it seems :-) ThumbsUp!
And now Johan is itching to get out and try these new ideas.
This video was amazing. Thank you so much for sharing !! 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thank you. What an amazingly complex art!
Wow......that was a masterclass of sail information. Thank you. What's next!?
Wow super informative really enjoyed learning Cheers!
Great conversation!🙂👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I learned a lot, more like this please!
Wow... fantastic. Great discussion and information.
What a great video! Everything you ever wanted to know about the composition and construction of sails and more than you ever imagined. Thanks, guys!
Very interesting and informative. Thank you. It might have been helpful if he had used as examples boats *less* than 60 feet (which I would guess more of us have). You can infer, to some extent, the opposite decision point than the 60+ foot boat. But with sail selection there are so many choices and compromises, the "opposite" is not always clear. Still, it was very interesting to listen to him.
My mind would have exploded and I'd have ended up just saying, "Claes, here are the specs on my boat, here's what I'm going to do, please just make me some sails and then tell me how to use them."
😂
its lovely to hear an artist talking
Great to learn a lot and also to know that my trimming of sails on my windsurfer is the same on the yacht. André
So much information to absorb!
Mmm 🤔 I have learned a lot ..
do not hoist that sail to the top. You close the sail to much
Klaas is spot on .. what a nice character.
Thanks a whole lot .. perfect
This 2 parter was fascinating. So much tech goes into sails.
Thank you! I learned a lot from Klauss!
Now I know why our boat performs better on the port side👍
Aye m8's, since part 1… was it even possible to reach higher? Yes! This as a knockout of knowledge! 💥 I know who to call when its time.