It's not that simple... Look into how many variances are requested in any city...it's a common practice. I'm not saying the spire should or shouldn't be approved...but...they have this process for a reason.
@@adamofthewest It is simple. Pick another spot outside of town. The Church gets in there with their big gun attorneys and causes contention. Contention is of the devil. There are other ways....the Lord's ways. That's my opinion. If it's the spire...lower it. If it's the lights....turn them off at 10 p.m. Many temples in other places don't have spires. Mesa, Madrid, Cardston for example.
@@cappystrano1that doesn’t change the fact that there are processes in place for variances…whether it be for a church spire or a Walmart in an area not zoned for such structures.
@@adamofthewest of course it doesn’t change the facts, but it changes the outcome and if you don’t believe it, look at our current federal administration.
They choose the option with the spire. Many things are optional: Walls, halls, ties, shoes... Each to their own they want a spire. And the law allows the that right and freedom.
You’re right, but maybe heaven isn’t at the top of a staircase. Maybe it’s in the little moments, the love you give, and the memories you create along the way. Sometimes, the journey is the sweetest part.
@@leebob61 they already did something like that, it's called the Laie Hawaii Temple. The land it sits on was purchased for $14,000. What can I get for $14,000 in Fairview, Texas? There are many details in the planning and building of a Temple or any building for that matter. Do you want a building that looks squash? Many things could work. But why not allow them build the best building they can. A building that will fit their needs, a building that will a positive addition to the community. Why can't they build what they want?
@@leebob61 They already did something like that, it's called the Laie Hawaii Temple. The land it sits on was purchased for $14,000. What can I get for $14,000 in Fairview, Texas? There are many details in the planning and building of a Temple or any building for that matter. Do you want a building that looks squashed? Many things could work. But why not allow them to build the best building they can. A building that will fit their needs, a building that will be a positive addition to the community. A building that is a sanctuary from the hustle and bustle of daily life. Why can't they build what they want?
@@firstLast-gb9kr why cant they build what they want? Because the law says they cant, thats why. I seem to remember a temple question about honoring and sustaining the law. It doesnt say, pull out your most ruthless lawyers if you dont get your way.
@@firstLast-gb9kr I know, that's what I'm saying. They've built a 50ft tall temple before and it clearly meets all their theological needs, so why can't they do it again in Texas?
@@zionmama150 No, they're denying it because the temple design violates long standing local zoning ordianances. They _can_ build a temple there if they re-design it to conform to the ordinances. Stop spreading lies.
Well, there is mention of a "great and spacious building" where the wicked laugh and mock the righteous from. And there is a tall platform called the Rameumptom where self righteous people stand and offer prayers about how they were better than everyone else. But both of those are portrayed as symbols of evil and arrogance in the Book of Mormon. So, yeah, kind of ironic. The temples that the righteous people build in the Book of Mormon are supposedly patterned after Solomon's temple. And if you read the bible and study Jewish history that structure had no spire of any kind.
It says the prophet recieves direction from the Lord. Therefore it IS religious, and thus city council just won themselves a lawsuit violating property rights as well as religious liberties. What idiots.
That’s because they think not allowing them to build this is not allowing them to practice their religion which is hogwash. No one says you can’t build your church, they’re saying you must comply with city ordinances. Remember Mormons your article of faith. We believe in being subject to Kings presidents and rulers and in honoring and obeying the laws of the land.?
Simple! Find another spot. The Church isn't creating any friends being controversial. It's the same in Heber. The Church property selection committee should have done their research before purchasing the property. I want a temple close just like everyone else. Keep it simple and keep everyone happy. Pick another spot.
@@alananat6628 You should read more of the Old Testament. The Lord gave explicit instruction on both form and function for the temple and tabernacle. What materials to use and to spare nothing representing house of God. Are you suggesting he is vain?
Why can't they just follow the 'rules' like they expect of all of their members? This church has very strict rules, but following the rules is only for the members? All the Grand Poobah's can do whatever they want? If you want to build a temple in their city, then FOLLOW THEIR RULES or go elsewhere.
@@firstLast-gb9kr building height laws are not first amendment. If the refusal of the temple were related to not wanting an LDS place of worship, that’d be a first amendment violation. It’s solely based on the height laws that the church refuses to abide by. Zoning laws are not first amendment.
There are zoning laws, and rightly so. A corporation or private citizen couldn’t construct a building that tall, why should a religious group be allowed to do it?
As a member of the church for nearly 50 years I’m absolutely embarrassed for what my church has done to bully and belittle and threaten and lie to this town for not allowing a 173’ steeple. All they have to do is bring down the height. But they would rather sue.
Why do we have to build our large Temples in the middle of residential neighborhoods, it makes no sense. Move the location and stop the discord. This is so out of character with the gospel we know and are taught in the Church. I would be opposed to this in my backyard as well and I am a member of the Church.
Also a member here. Everyone has to follow the zoning rules, even the Church. This whole thing is embarrassing. The church can afford a property that will allow the temple design they seek.
I got no skin in this game but here is my two cents. Is it legal? If it is, then why can they not build? If it is illegal, well then it's simply a open and shut case. Focus on the facts and not the feelings.
Buildings codes are rarely that simple. Almost every time a Walmart or other meganational corporation builds they need to get an exemption. This is no different. This isn't about some local church. Temples serve an entire region, up to 20or more congregations. It is like comparing building a Walmart with a corner five and dime.
Why can't they follow zoning laws? If the LDS church is serving the community as they claim then they need to follow the laws of that community. They shouldn't get special privileges. If you want to look "heavenward" go outside.
It’s not about special privileges at all. It’s commonplace for people to seek a variances on a building they want built. It happens literally all the time. Study up on city planning, codes etc.
Property rights trump zoning laws and the city will find themselves with a lawsuit against them for violating the constitution and religious liberties.
@@Latterdaysaintcrunchymommaybe you should build your great and spacious building out in the middle of nowhere rather than trying to force it onto communities that don't want it.
You mean spire. The spire is for identification to the gathering of Israel...city on a hill concept. It's also important the design balance. It's meant to "inspire".
@derrickcox7761 Well if the church has a choice no Spire and build,OR a Spire and never being able too bulid,common sense would say forget about the Spire. Some of our Temples don't have Spires anymore,so what is your point even,or are you being a pain.
@@tbugher62 There is always resistance. We follow what the Lord wants, not what those who attack it want. You didn't hear some of those resisting said against us. They were lies. You want to appease, go ahead...I'm not into apologetics nonsense.
When completed, likely no more beautiful space can be found for hundreds of miles. Nothing more beautiful, no more beautifully groomed surroundings and taxpayers have no cost, none whatsoever.
All the people that came to comment? No way. A lot of the LDS members that commented were from out of town. The various LDS congregations in the Dallas Ft. Worth area were asked by their local leaders to come out and show support for the temple.
@@squeakhawk01I’m pretty sure it was only the members who live in that proposed temples boundaries were invited. For example mckinney frisco, prosper, Anna.
These members were emailed to come and day what they said about the temple and the spire! I’m a member and I’m aghast that The church would want its own members to lie!! The zoning laws are there for a reason! Just follow them or put the temple in the commercial area where it fits. That’s all the city asked of them. These leaders were very arrogant as well as the lawyers in this whole ordeal. Makes me embarrassed to be a member!!!
I think a good compromise would be to limit the height to a number that is 10 times the age in years of Joseph Smiths youngest wife, minus the total number of wives. Quick math says 10×14=140, 140-40=100 feet.
Once again, LDS members lie about the spiritual importance of a 174 foot spire. There are many examples of LDS temples around the world with either shorter spires or no spire at all. The national religious freedom act does not require the high spire sought by LDS members, but only that a temple be allowed to be built.
I don't think that all of those members were necessarily lying. The laywers and leaders? Absolutely. But the individual members? You have to understand that the LDS church is VERY hierarchical. They believe that the men who lead their church are literally called by God. And since the church leadership handed down the design for this temple that must mean that God himself wants a honking great spire on a honking great building. Probably so those ignorant Texans will look up and realize the power and majesty of God's true kingdom on Earth. Or something like that.
@@JCcreates927 I think the LDS church will find that a town council who isn't under the thumb of LDS political influence puts up a bit more of a fight then city councilors that receive tens of thousands of dollars in donations from Salt Lake every campaign cycle like they do in Vegas. Either the church revises its plans to comport with the zoning laws, it goes elsewhere, or it sues and tries to bury the town in legal costs (this is by far the most likely scenario because the LDS Church is incredibly arrogant and is used to getting its way.)
@@squeakhawk01We’re not arrogant we’re just trying to build the temple the way our god wants us to but your stupid city codes won’t let us, and btw we don’t everything our way
I think people may misunderstand why this temple is so needed. The temple is not a weekly meetinghouse. It’s a special sacred building used for weddings, and many other important events. People attend the temple in order to draw closer to our Savior Jesus Christ. The nearest temple is in Dallas. A temple doesn’t just support the people in the immediate town. But usually several nearby towns. When a temple isn’t nearby then people have to travel a long ways sometimes just to visit temples. Having one closer will benefit the people living in the surrounding towns and cities so they don’t have to travel as far. There are a lot of members of the church in that part of north Texas (I’d know- I grew up around there) and because there are so many- temples like the Dallas temple are attempting to serve a lot of people in a limited space, unable to accommodate everyone comfortably. The larger a temple is, the more people can be served at a time. But despite the large size- you probably wouldn’t need to worry about thousands of new people flooding to your town. The temple seems large. But it isn’t just one big chapel inside like a cathedral. There are many smaller rooms inside meant for different purposes. The capacity of each temple usually isn’t very big. Most accommodate less than 200 people at a time. (Closer to like 60-70) That’s pretty standard when compared to the average mainline Christian congregation in America. It’s also important to note that people don’t visit the temple every Sunday. Most with visit 2 or 3 times a year. Though some will visit once a month if they are able. The temple being there isn’t likely to impact the lives of non members very much outside of seeing it. But it’s deeply important to the many members of the church living in the area. It helps them to draw closer to our Savior Jesus Christ and feel of His love for all mankind. I’m sure the issue with the steeple size will be sorted out soon-and in a way that everyone can be happy about. Please be patient and loving to your neighbors and friends as this issue is resolved.
Then you should tell your leadership to make the temple sized within the zoning laws so these so-called 'special things' can happen. Don't let your petty leaders stop you from having these things due to their vanity-ridden natures.
This whole endeavor is proof how much Mormons HATE being told no! Jesus Christ himself would have graciously backed off! The Savior does not force himself into anyone’s lives. So why is His church trying to force themselves into this town that very clearly has said NO!
A close reading of the NT shows that he cleared the temple TWICE. Thus, the existence and proper function of the temple was a deep importance to him---far from something he would simply "back down" from. He wasn't all "meek and mild," but had tremendous strength and persistence for righteousness.
@@ItsMeCheryl1231 His disciples made a near-identical argument to the one you're making in John 12:1-8. There, Mary anointed the feet of Jesus with a perfume that was worth an entire year of wages. The disciples asked, "Why was this fragrant oil not sold ... and given to the poor?" He answered, "the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.” This suggests that to properly honor and worship the Son sometimes involves allocating resources toward that worship--even while diverting those resources from the poor. But to be sure, the poor are not to be forgotten. See, e.g., Luke 6:21-22.
Do you see where the temple site is on the map? It is not in the middle of a subdivision. It is in a completely new section of town. The people who build there will know about the temple before they build. I don't see the problem, just because that lady said she could see the temple from her yard? That tells me there is more to it than just a steeple.
So the argument they are taking to a court in TEXAS is that the Church, who achieved the correct permitting from the county and owns the land fair and square, cannot do what they want on their property? 😂😂 that’s a good one. We’ll see how that holds up.
This is a zoning issue, and the zoning laws allow for a religious exemption. Additional, they are barely in Fairview, sitting on the boarder line. In 2006 a CUP was granted to Creekwood UMC to build a 150'+ bell tower. Which would have dominate the skyline much more then a pointy steeple.
This is a zoning issue, yes. They are within the border, and that's how borders work, so I'm not sure how that affects anything. The bell tower was allowed in 2006, yes. Now let's see what happens with this 173' pointy steeple. My initial comments have been removed because I was getting more heated than I intended to be, which is on me.
@@annak98 I replied to that and then everything went on the fritz. Then it was gone, nowhere to be found. PS... I've included some thoughts from that below... ...... why is anything necessary? Maybe you know the word FREEDOM! Creative freedom. Religious freedom. Architectural freedom. Freedom. Spires for the most part go unnoticed. Sure a trained eye can spot them and they can be used as landmarks. But it is incorrect and misleading to say a spire will dominate the view. If you want to see for yourself... Yt "Water Tower Town of Fairview TX" Even the 🗼 while clearly a landmark does not dominate the view. And there were plenty of NIMBYs around when he put that up.
@@firstLast-gb9krthanks for sharing here. I would just say that freedoms don't occur in a vacuum. The residents have freedoms that should be protected, too. What is the impact to them? Property values will change with the addition of a large, visible temple. (The Dallas temple blends so well into the surrounding neighborhood.) The church's freedoms shouldn't have a higher priority just because it's a church. The church-which I served for 40+ years-could earn so much goodwill by making reasonable changes. The threats to drag the town into litigation doesn't feel like something Jesus would do. Let's hope a solution can be found that works for everyone.
@@annak98 I hear you... Totally agree.... That's why we have zoning. Boundaries protect freedoms. Everything effects everything, sometimes somethings have more of an effect than others. The Dallas Temple has a beauty of its own, and one can find solace and peace there, but I wouldn't think of placing a copy of it in Fairview. Each to their own. The proposed Temple is much more to my liking. It reminds me of the Boston Massachusetts Temple I believe the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is pursuing the proper course of action. Do what you can and then leave it in God's hands.
somebody here say is build on secrets and deceptions he is dead Wrong the temple is not a secret is sacred there is a way to learned about it openly if you don't wanna find out or ask or listen that's your Problem ! ❤
That is not unique to temples. And frankly, that only matters when you want to sell. And usually, when values increase, so do taxes, so I'm not sure it's the completely positive you maybe thinking it is.
That's only true in Utah where there is high Mormon population--please don't act like that is applicable to the rest of the world where there Is less Mormon people. That's called being dishonest.
Bigger, bigger, bigger! Vanity is the devils most beloved weakness and sin. True believe doesn't need a building of wood or stone and not even a hut. Catholics want to build higher and higher and as high as possible. So these sect is nothing but another kind of catholics. Decency, modesty and humility make a good person. and not pride of teh own arrogance and vanity.
Then why don’t you complain about the million dollar homes that get built around temples? Why only complain about the temples themselves? Because you’re not mad about the size, you’re mad because of whose building it.
WFAA, please stop referring to us as “Mormon” in the video description. Please refer to us as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thank you so much.
@@carolyearsley What does the church sell for a profit? Nothing. You are deeply and seriously dishonest in your comparison to for-profit corporations. I hope you'll seriously look at yourself and consider being more honest.
Ugh that lady....A lie by omission is still a lie.. Since the Dallas temple was built in 1984 they have built temples in Houston (2000), Lubbock (2002), San Antonio (2005) and McAllen (2023) The Dallas temple district is at most 1/10th it's original size - and doesn't even look like it is operating at capacity
@@zionmama150 It would be merciful if your god could take a break from killing babies in war zones long enough to revise the plans for his 100 million dollar castle. Praise be!
"Hundreds of LDS members crowd small Texas town." This is the Mormon church's way of cramming a temple down these peoples' throats. Don't sugarcoat it.
Just coat the temple and the steeple with the type of resin they use in climbing gyms, and turn it into a rock climbing experience for both LDS and non-LDS kids. The outpouring of love among the area's youth and rock climbers would make it shoe-in for approval.
@allengreg5447: would you ever make such a suggestion to Muslims building a mosque, or to Jews building a synagogue, or to Catholics building a cathedral? Of course not. Please think before you type.
@@prometheusrex1 Actually, I would, as a former mountain climber (back injury) whenever I see something tall, my first impulse is to think about climbing it. I'm not anti-religion, just pro-outdoor fun!
I thought everything was bigger in Texas!? What’s the problem? To many Liberal Californian’s in Texas now? All Churches aspire to elevate the soul of man, sacred architecture is one of the ways this has been done for Centuries, all around the world. The greatest buildings in the world are constructed with Divine proportion to inspire the souls of men and women to become better examples of humanity. Why not in Texas?
What a thought-stopping unthoughtful way to analyze this issue. This has nothing to do with liberalism. In fact, seeing as more of Texas is conservative and republican, it's more likely conservatives and republicans fighting the great and spacious corporate building. This is a residential area with zoning laws. People in Texas don't want a huge almost200ft spire huge temple overshadowing their whole area.
@@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843 It has EVERYTHING to do with progressive liberalism, Texas is not immune to it. They are only giving way at a slower pace. The Democrat Party is not the only source of Progressivism in America, many Republicans are just as ignorant to its effects. Any Conservative, pro-Constitution, pro-Liberty, pro-Freedom of Religion institutions should be the biggest influences in American culture, just like it was during the American Revolution. The old saying "Everything is bigger in Texas" is not true anymore. What happened?
@@Latterdaysaintcrunchymom Since Joseph Smith gave up conning others out of their money to find buried treasure and decided to become a prophet for profit. $$$
@@tylerfielding5311 They spend most of the money guilt ridden from the gullible goes to build graven images Temples and investments, a small per cent goes of charities which they highly publicized. They have squirreled away over $100 Billion.
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with human hands. ~Acts 17:24 Don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and who was given to you by God? ~1 Corinthians 6:19. The Mormon church leadership should spend less time building temples and more time using their $100 billion hedge fund to help the poor. Or else start taxing them. Investment funds are NOT not for profit.
if it were a Muslim mosque and they wanted a mineret the same heoght for their chanter to sing the call to prayer would this be an issue or even news? just another example of the attack on anything Christianity in America
Excuse me but the Temple is not a worship center (like a Ward House or Stake House are). It's mostly for people to do "temple work" (baptisms, endowments, and marriages) for the dead. In fact, more dead people are served there than living people. As a teen, I was baptized in a temple a total of 52 times for 52 separate deceased persons. And I didn't know any of them and wasn't related to any of them. So don't be fooled by the "We need additional temples to serve our local membership" line. Unless their local membership is made up of dead people, none of their local members are being served.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the temples are used for. Many members worship in the temple on a weekly and monthly basis, such worship is a blessing for the deceased individuals and the proxy performing the ordinance.
My experience is that it is a tremendous help or “ service” to me. Every time I go. I’m able to leave my troubles behind for a time. Feel the peace and love of God. Receive answers to prayers. Grow my relationship with my Savior. It is indeed a great blessing in my life. My experience is different from yours and it’s ok to have different experiences. Peace.
IT IS A VERY SPECIAL, GOOD AND POWERFUL ACT THAT THE CHURCH RECENTLY PERFORMED. PAYING FOR AND DELIVERING A QUALITY MRI MACHINE AND A MAMMAGRAM MACHINE FOR PREVENTIVE CARE TO A COMMUNITY THAT NEEDED THIS EQUIPMENT AND COULDN,T AFFORD IT.
If you could get a high spire, for what your faith believes would literally be for glory to God, why not fight for that? Your only option would be to fight for it. If you don't win, that's that.
@@alananat6628 totally false statement to say “spires mean nothing”. If they spires meant nothing than why are they on chapels and temples? They are symbolic. And symbols hold the deepest of “meaning”. And of course, what matters most is what happens on the inside, at least inside the hearts of those who enter.
Don't lie. They literally said as long as you follow zoning laws, which are completely reasonable, they can have their temple. The church is being stubborn for their vanity.
Yep, false church, false prophets (all so-called "prophets" of this dispensation are) and twisted doctrine. JS was liar and listened to a deceiving devil, not God Almighty Jesus Christ.
Nope people in Utah don’t want these buildings breaking code either. Unfortunately the church has more influence over government officials in Utah…for now. Voting against any Mormon politicians every chance I get.
WELL, WHAT WILL BE THE FINAL OUTCOME. I HOPE PROVISIONS AND CONSESSIONS WILL BE ALLOWED ON BOTH PARTIES. LET,S HOPE IT WILL BE FAIR IN FAIRVIEW AND EQUITABLE. MAY THE LORD BLESS US TO FIND IN OUR HEARTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT FEELS LIKE FROM EVERYBODYS PERSPECTIVE. IT WILL BE A VERY BEAUTIFUL EDIFYING EDIFICE , THOUGH. WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN EVENTUALLY, WITH CONSESSIONS AND TEARS ON BOTH PARTYS LINE.
They’re not special. Every church building has to follow the same rules. Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, flying spaghetti monsters. These particular religious folks have this thing where they think they’re exempt from man’s laws.
I'd be curious to see the church develop temples similar to the temple in Versailles (Le Chesnay), with a lowered roof to accommodate local height restrictions. I don't understand the demographics very well there in Texas, but the U.S. likes to build horizontally anyways.
They are supposed to be a beacon of light and it is OK that they have a spire. Super disappointed that a city would deny the property rights of the Church all because of religious bigotry. This is sick.
@@zionmama150 It has nothing to do with not wanting members to have a temple, as has been reiterated countless times; it's the height. Some communities, like Fairview, enjoy being away from all the skyscrapers etc. The church can either build it somewhere else or obey the laws of the land and make it an acceptable height, just like they did with the Paris temple.
What do they think will happen? People will be doing good deeds for each other? Be polite? Modest? Kind? Less drunk driving and drugs? Quiet? Texas is so embarrassing!
@@Migglesworthor maybe, they want to make money selling Fairview United T-shirts 👕... Or maybe they have an issue with the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. We let one in and the are pressing their luck to get another one in. Not in Fairview.
@@firstLast-gb9kr "If you have read FU website. One of their concerns was shadows..." Have you ever been introduced to something known as, "a complete sentence"?
The citizens dont want to be reminded that they are sinners they dont wanna change their ways! 😂 They rather give their savings to the likes of Osteen! 😂
Mormons are some of the worst sinners I know. Completely NPD people. Toxic, unkind, self-serving, doesn't respect others, many are hypocrites, obsessed with their own power, mentally abuse people. I don't know why you think Mormonism has anything to do with 'less sin,' Mormons are the worst hypocrites and sinners I know. Terrible people.
Seems like you've never actually talked to an LDS person. Not sure where you get your fun facts from, but definitely not from someone who knows what they're talking about.
Wrong. Joseph Smith was and is a prophet of God. Just like Moses. No one in the LDS church puts Joseph Smith above Christ. Christ is the only one that saves.
We need to make all churches pay their fair taxes if they want to get involved in politics 😒 Everyone else here in the U.S. is paying taxes why tf not Churches? they are the reason why Poor and middle class American’s are struggling. TAX THE CHURCH!!! ⛪️
If it’s legal, then build it. If it’s not, then adjust… and yes, it is that simple!
It's not that simple... Look into how many variances are requested in any city...it's a common practice. I'm not saying the spire should or shouldn't be approved...but...they have this process for a reason.
@@adamofthewest It is simple. Pick another spot outside of town. The Church gets in there with their big gun attorneys and causes contention. Contention is of the devil. There are other ways....the Lord's ways. That's my opinion. If it's the spire...lower it. If it's the lights....turn them off at 10 p.m. Many temples in other places don't have spires. Mesa, Madrid, Cardston for example.
@@adamofthewest unless the city planning department has been seeded with LDS members…….
@@cappystrano1that doesn’t change the fact that there are processes in place for variances…whether it be for a church spire or a Walmart in an area not zoned for such structures.
@@adamofthewest of course it doesn’t change the facts, but it changes the outcome and if you don’t believe it, look at our current federal administration.
The spire is optional. The spire doesn’t determine their salvation so why don’t they shorten it?
They choose the option with the spire. Many things are optional: Walls, halls, ties, shoes... Each to their own they want a spire. And the law allows the that right and freedom.
churches have nothing to do with Jesus actually
@@tenaci.et.ripeam that may be true for some...
And for others... The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is the Body of Christ.
@@firstLast-gb9kr Not according to county ordinances. This church will have to play along like everyone else.
@@firstLast-gb9kr No. The law allows them to curtail the building to fit within city ordinances. The law. Not your wants.
Still can’t buy a stairway to heaven.
But you can dream about it...
You’re right, but maybe heaven isn’t at the top of a staircase. Maybe it’s in the little moments, the love you give, and the memories you create along the way. Sometimes, the journey is the sweetest part.
It isn’t about that. Baptism is essential.
That lady who’s sure can…….
@@amandadangerfieldpiano baptisms could easily be done in a stake center.
The LDS temple in Hawaii is only 50ft tall and doesn't have a spire at all. Why can't they adjust and do something like that?
@@leebob61 they already did something like that, it's called the Laie Hawaii Temple. The land it sits on was purchased for $14,000.
What can I get for $14,000 in Fairview, Texas?
There are many details in the planning and building of a Temple or any building for that matter.
Do you want a building that looks squash? Many things could work. But why not allow them build the best building they can. A building that will fit their needs, a building that will a positive addition to the community.
Why can't they build what they want?
@@leebob61 They already did something like that, it's called the Laie Hawaii Temple. The land it sits on was purchased for $14,000.
What can I get for $14,000 in Fairview, Texas?
There are many details in the planning and building of a Temple or any building for that matter.
Do you want a building that looks squashed? Many things could work. But why not allow them to build the best building they can. A building that will fit their needs, a building that will be a positive addition to the community. A building that is a sanctuary from the hustle and bustle of daily life.
Why can't they build what they want?
@@firstLast-gb9kr why cant they build what they want? Because the law says they cant, thats why. I seem to remember a temple question about honoring and sustaining the law. It doesnt say, pull out your most ruthless lawyers if you dont get your way.
@@firstLast-gb9kr I know, that's what I'm saying. They've built a 50ft tall temple before and it clearly meets all their theological needs, so why can't they do it again in Texas?
@@alananat6628 "Everything is bigger in Texas." - that's the law.
Being so close to Mckinney Airport that height may exceed the FAA guide lines.
That’s not why they’re denying it. They are denying it out of bigotry.
@@zionmama150 No, they're denying it because the temple design violates long standing local zoning ordianances. They _can_ build a temple there if they re-design it to conform to the ordinances. Stop spreading lies.
@@zionmama150 "They are denying it out of bigotry."
Or maybe the bigotry is yours.
@@zionmama150 Pull your head out. They have laws for EVERYONE to follow.
@adamkhan4451 That proposed temple is a monstrosity that will never be build. Change the plans or go elsewhere.
Where in the Book of Mormon does it say they need a spire that is so tall?
Well, there is mention of a "great and spacious building" where the wicked laugh and mock the righteous from. And there is a tall platform called the Rameumptom where self righteous people stand and offer prayers about how they were better than everyone else. But both of those are portrayed as symbols of evil and arrogance in the Book of Mormon. So, yeah, kind of ironic.
The temples that the righteous people build in the Book of Mormon are supposedly patterned after Solomon's temple. And if you read the bible and study Jewish history that structure had no spire of any kind.
@@squeakhawk01 And Solomon was also a sorcerer.
its apart of the end times prophecy they have lol
@@carolyearsley With many wives and concubines, don't forget.
It says the prophet recieves direction from the Lord. Therefore it IS religious, and thus city council just won themselves a lawsuit violating property rights as well as religious liberties. What idiots.
Guys, this has nothing to do with opposing a temple... Its about the steeple height.
The members dont even understand what theyre fighting for?
That’s because they think not allowing them to build this is not allowing them to practice their religion which is hogwash. No one says you can’t build your church, they’re saying you must comply with city ordinances. Remember Mormons your article of faith. We believe in being subject to Kings presidents and rulers and in honoring and obeying the laws of the land.?
Simple!
Find another spot. The Church isn't creating any friends being controversial. It's the same in Heber.
The Church property selection committee should have done their research before purchasing the property.
I want a temple close just like everyone else.
Keep it simple and keep everyone happy.
Pick another spot.
Christ didn't create a lot of "friends" sharing truth.
@@derrickcox7761 Christ didnt insist on an extraordinary steeple where he taught, either, begause thats not where God is.
@@alananat6628 You should read more of the Old Testament. The Lord gave explicit instruction on both form and function for the temple and tabernacle. What materials to use and to spare nothing representing house of God. Are you suggesting he is vain?
The Boise temple is 112 ft, and the Merdin is 120 ft. Both look fine. I think things need to be thought out a little better.
Why can't they just follow the 'rules' like they expect of all of their members? This church has very strict rules, but following the rules is only for the members? All the Grand Poobah's can do whatever they want? If you want to build a temple in their city, then FOLLOW THEIR RULES or go elsewhere.
Property rights are granted by the constitution! They can have a spire that high! This CITY is the one not following the constitution!
@@zionmama150 the Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that zoning laws do not violate the 14th Amendment.
@@omrelliug ... usually... Although while other amendment may apply this is more a first amendment case.
@@omrelliug ... usually... Although while other amendment may apply this is a more of a first amendment case.
@@firstLast-gb9kr building height laws are not first amendment. If the refusal of the temple were related to not wanting an LDS place of worship, that’d be a first amendment violation. It’s solely based on the height laws that the church refuses to abide by. Zoning laws are not first amendment.
Religious freedom. If a religious organization has the funds they can build a place of worship.
There are zoning laws, and rightly so. A corporation or private citizen couldn’t construct a building that tall, why should a religious group be allowed to do it?
As a member of the church for nearly 50 years I’m absolutely embarrassed for what my church has done to bully and belittle and threaten and lie to this town for not allowing a 173’ steeple. All they have to do is bring down the height. But they would rather sue.
Why do we have to build our large Temples in the middle of residential neighborhoods, it makes no sense. Move the location and stop the discord. This is so out of character with the gospel we know and are taught in the Church. I would be opposed to this in my backyard as well and I am a member of the Church.
then leave the church and learn its a cult
@@davidrobinson1201 Totally agree! They are just acting like bullies. Why they can't follow the city codes.
Also a member here. Everyone has to follow the zoning rules, even the Church. This whole thing is embarrassing. The church can afford a property that will allow the temple design they seek.
The doctrine is: the LORD tells the prophet how to build HIS HOUSE. If you don’t get that as a member then you are not in line with the doctrine.
I got no skin in this game but here is my two cents. Is it legal? If it is, then why can they not build? If it is illegal, well then it's simply a open and shut case. Focus on the facts and not the feelings.
Best comment I’ve read on here.
Buildings codes are rarely that simple. Almost every time a Walmart or other meganational corporation builds they need to get an exemption. This is no different. This isn't about some local church. Temples serve an entire region, up to 20or more congregations. It is like comparing building a Walmart with a corner five and dime.
"Is it legal? "
No, it's not.
Done.
They have applied for a variance, which is also legal. They aren't asking for anything that isn't done anywhere else in the country.
Slavery was legal
This is not persecution. There are zoning laws! Follow the law.
They applied for a variance, which is also legal.
LDS have temples all over the world that doesn't have 173 foot spires.
Why can't they follow zoning laws? If the LDS church is serving the community as they claim then they need to follow the laws of that community. They shouldn't get special privileges. If you want to look "heavenward" go outside.
Absolutely!
It’s not about special privileges at all. It’s commonplace for people to seek a variances on a building they want built. It happens literally all the time. Study up on city planning, codes etc.
Property rights trump zoning laws and the city will find themselves with a lawsuit against them for violating the constitution and religious liberties.
They got a special permit from the county. It’s already approved. The people are whining because it’ll be bigger than their mansions.
@@Latterdaysaintcrunchymommaybe you should build your great and spacious building out in the middle of nowhere rather than trying to force it onto communities that don't want it.
I am a Mormon,eliminating the spire is not the end of the world,Jesus walks with the poor on earth ,not just in Temples.
which is precisely why Mormon leadership has nothing to do with God. Materialistic pride-based-on-wealth is deeply rooted in mormon leaderships minds.
You mean spire. The spire is for identification to the gathering of Israel...city on a hill concept. It's also important the design balance. It's meant to "inspire".
@derrickcox7761 Well if the church has a choice no Spire and build,OR a Spire and never being able too bulid,common sense would say forget about the Spire.
Some of our Temples don't have Spires anymore,so what is your point even,or are you being a pain.
@@tbugher62 There is always resistance. We follow what the Lord wants, not what those who attack it want. You didn't hear some of those resisting said against us. They were lies. You want to appease, go ahead...I'm not into apologetics nonsense.
@@derrickcox7761 No, Mormons conflate their own will with God's, and then they use that to fuel their NPD.
When completed, likely no more beautiful space can be found for hundreds of miles. Nothing more beautiful, no more beautifully groomed surroundings and taxpayers have no cost, none whatsoever.
Fairview is so small, do they all live in Fairview?
All the people that came to comment? No way. A lot of the LDS members that commented were from out of town. The various LDS congregations in the Dallas Ft. Worth area were asked by their local leaders to come out and show support for the temple.
Temples serve not only the town they're in, but the surrounding towns as well--which is many congregations.
@@squeakhawk01I’m pretty sure it was only the members who live in that proposed temples boundaries were invited. For example mckinney frisco, prosper, Anna.
@@kristinrichmond8185 Allen had 8 congregations itself when I moved 10 years ago - and Fairview was included in that set.
@@lylestavast7652 awesome 😊
So does LDS place more emphasis on the building or on the people?
I expect this corporation will be in the news alot soon.
Yes, I’m sure they will be. But let’s look at their behavior and see who they really behave like. Christ? Or Lucifer? I’ll go with Lucifer‘s church.
Gods work will continue to go forth, regardless of if you try to stop it. If God wants a temple there, then it will be done.
lol, I don’t think God is in on this.
I am sad to say this, but LDS is a cult. Their Jesus is not the true Jesus.
@@cappystrano1 Did he tell you that?
@@derrickcox7761 yeah, it’s really easy to know!
These members were emailed to come and day what they said about the temple and the spire! I’m a member and I’m aghast that The church would want its own members to lie!! The zoning laws are there for a reason! Just follow them or put the temple in the commercial area where it fits. That’s all the city asked of them. These leaders were very arrogant as well as the lawyers in this whole ordeal. Makes me embarrassed to be a member!!!
Your not a member of the Church.
@@steeltalon2317Sounds like she is.
They weren't told to lie. Come on
@@cappystrano1No, you so called "member" knows temples are virtually never placed in commercial zones. She is a fraud.
It's not religious freedom, it's building code.
Laws are laws rules are rules pray and build until you blue in the face but respect the law everybody else has followed
I think a good compromise would be to limit the height to a number that is 10 times the age in years of Joseph Smiths youngest wife, minus the total number of wives. Quick math says 10×14=140, 140-40=100 feet.
Lies
@@tylerfielding5311not at all lies. You should research your history.
@@tylerfielding5311 Try reading your own history from your own sources.
@tylerfielding5311 I'd refer you to the Nauvoo Expositor but a certain someone burned that place down.
@@Aaron-dl7hv Funny how that works, eh?
Once again, LDS members lie about the spiritual importance of a 174 foot spire. There are many examples of LDS temples around the world with either shorter spires or no spire at all. The national religious freedom act does not require the high spire sought by LDS members, but only that a temple be allowed to be built.
I don't think that all of those members were necessarily lying. The laywers and leaders? Absolutely. But the individual members? You have to understand that the LDS church is VERY hierarchical. They believe that the men who lead their church are literally called by God. And since the church leadership handed down the design for this temple that must mean that God himself wants a honking great spire on a honking great building. Probably so those ignorant Texans will look up and realize the power and majesty of God's true kingdom on Earth.
Or something like that.
They just did this and won in Las Vegas.
@@JCcreates927 I think the LDS church will find that a town council who isn't under the thumb of LDS political influence puts up a bit more of a fight then city councilors that receive tens of thousands of dollars in donations from Salt Lake every campaign cycle like they do in Vegas.
Either the church revises its plans to comport with the zoning laws, it goes elsewhere, or it sues and tries to bury the town in legal costs (this is by far the most likely scenario because the LDS Church is incredibly arrogant and is used to getting its way.)
@@JCcreates927Who won the church or the people against the temple?
@@squeakhawk01We’re not arrogant we’re just trying to build the temple the way our god wants us to but your stupid city codes won’t let us, and btw we don’t everything our way
I think people may misunderstand why this temple is so needed. The temple is not a weekly meetinghouse. It’s a special sacred building used for weddings, and many other important events. People attend the temple in order to draw closer to our Savior Jesus Christ.
The nearest temple is in Dallas. A temple doesn’t just support the people in the immediate town. But usually several nearby towns. When a temple isn’t nearby then people have to travel a long ways sometimes just to visit temples.
Having one closer will benefit the people living in the surrounding towns and cities so they don’t have to travel as far.
There are a lot of members of the church in that part of north Texas (I’d know- I grew up around there) and because there are so many- temples like the Dallas temple are attempting to serve a lot of people in a limited space, unable to accommodate everyone comfortably.
The larger a temple is, the more people can be served at a time. But despite the large size- you probably wouldn’t need to worry about thousands of new people flooding to your town.
The temple seems large. But it isn’t just one big chapel inside like a cathedral. There are many smaller rooms inside meant for different purposes.
The capacity of each temple usually isn’t very big. Most accommodate less than 200 people at a time. (Closer to like 60-70) That’s pretty standard when compared to the average mainline Christian congregation in America.
It’s also important to note that people don’t visit the temple every Sunday. Most with visit 2 or 3 times a year. Though some will visit once a month if they are able.
The temple being there isn’t likely to impact the lives of non members very much outside of seeing it.
But it’s deeply important to the many members of the church living in the area. It helps them to draw closer to our Savior Jesus Christ and feel of His love for all mankind.
I’m sure the issue with the steeple size will be sorted out soon-and in a way that everyone can be happy about. Please be patient and loving to your neighbors and friends as this issue is resolved.
Nobody is denying the temple.
The problem is the steeple height.
Snooze
Then you should tell your leadership to make the temple sized within the zoning laws so these so-called 'special things' can happen. Don't let your petty leaders stop you from having these things due to their vanity-ridden natures.
The church has no conscience about what the town wants. Apparently they don't care
There is always someone. Today, you’re that someone.
This whole endeavor is proof how much Mormons HATE being told no! Jesus Christ himself would have graciously backed off! The Savior does not force himself into anyone’s lives. So why is His church trying to force themselves into this town that very clearly has said NO!
Tell that to the temple merchants. When it comes to His house He doesn't back off.
@@spideyN8R 🙄
A close reading of the NT shows that he cleared the temple TWICE. Thus, the existence and proper function of the temple was a deep importance to him---far from something he would simply "back down" from. He wasn't all "meek and mild," but had tremendous strength and persistence for righteousness.
@@prometheusrex1 I imagine Jesus would not approve of the amount of money spent on building these huge temples. He would have given it to the poor.
@@ItsMeCheryl1231 His disciples made a near-identical argument to the one you're making in John 12:1-8. There, Mary anointed the feet of Jesus with a perfume that was worth an entire year of wages. The disciples asked, "Why was this fragrant oil not sold ... and given to the poor?" He answered, "the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.” This suggests that to properly honor and worship the Son sometimes involves allocating resources toward that worship--even while diverting those resources from the poor. But to be sure, the poor are not to be forgotten. See, e.g., Luke 6:21-22.
Religion is not a building it is people.
They use this building to serve people.
Anyone remember reading about the Tower of Babel? Why build the spire so tall? That would be my only question.
I hope they get to build their temple...maybe shorten the spiral
Do you see where the temple site is on the map? It is not in the middle of a subdivision. It is in a completely new section of town. The people who build there will know about the temple before they build. I don't see the problem, just because that lady said she could see the temple from her yard? That tells me there is more to it than just a steeple.
So the argument they are taking to a court in TEXAS is that the Church, who achieved the correct permitting from the county and owns the land fair and square, cannot do what they want on their property? 😂😂 that’s a good one. We’ll see how that holds up.
This is a zoning issue, and the zoning laws allow for a religious exemption. Additional, they are barely in Fairview, sitting on the boarder line.
In 2006 a CUP was granted to Creekwood UMC to build a 150'+ bell tower. Which would have dominate the skyline much more then a pointy steeple.
This is a zoning issue, yes. They are within the border, and that's how borders work, so I'm not sure how that affects anything. The bell tower was allowed in 2006, yes. Now let's see what happens with this 173' pointy steeple. My initial comments have been removed because I was getting more heated than I intended to be, which is on me.
@@annak98 I replied to that and then everything went on the fritz. Then it was gone, nowhere to be found.
PS... I've included some thoughts from that below...
...... why is anything necessary? Maybe you know the word FREEDOM! Creative freedom. Religious freedom. Architectural freedom. Freedom.
Spires for the most part go unnoticed. Sure a trained eye can spot them and they can be used as landmarks. But it is incorrect and misleading to say a spire will dominate the view.
If you want to see for yourself... Yt "Water Tower Town of Fairview TX"
Even the 🗼 while clearly a landmark does not dominate the view. And there were plenty of NIMBYs around when he put that up.
@@firstLast-gb9krthanks for sharing here. I would just say that freedoms don't occur in a vacuum. The residents have freedoms that should be protected, too. What is the impact to them? Property values will change with the addition of a large, visible temple. (The Dallas temple blends so well into the surrounding neighborhood.) The church's freedoms shouldn't have a higher priority just because it's a church. The church-which I served for 40+ years-could earn so much goodwill by making reasonable changes. The threats to drag the town into litigation doesn't feel like something Jesus would do. Let's hope a solution can be found that works for everyone.
@@annak98 I hear you... Totally agree.... That's why we have zoning. Boundaries protect freedoms. Everything effects everything, sometimes somethings have more of an effect than others.
The Dallas Temple has a beauty of its own, and one can find solace and peace there, but I wouldn't think of placing a copy of it in Fairview. Each to their own. The proposed Temple is much more to my liking. It reminds me of the Boston Massachusetts Temple
I believe the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is pursuing the proper course of action.
Do what you can and then leave it in God's hands.
somebody here say is build on secrets and deceptions he is dead Wrong the temple is not a secret is sacred there is a way to learned about it openly if you don't wanna find out or ask or listen that's your Problem ! ❤
Why when building the Paris temple the church didn’t fight like this? Just a question to ponder. The whole situation is embarrassing.
You’re telling me they’ve never encountered this issue before?
Don’t let them build it
Wherever The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints build their temples, surrounding property values increase.
That’s true.
It is a real estate corporation masquerading as a church.
That is not unique to temples. And frankly, that only matters when you want to sell. And usually, when values increase, so do taxes, so I'm not sure it's the completely positive you maybe thinking it is.
That's only true in Utah where there is high Mormon population--please don't act like that is applicable to the rest of the world where there Is less Mormon people. That's called being dishonest.
It's my church is bigger than ours
Freedom FROM RELIGIOUS BELIEF IS what makes America Great!!!
Bigger, bigger, bigger! Vanity is the devils most beloved weakness and sin. True believe doesn't need a building of wood or stone and not even a hut. Catholics want to build higher and higher and as high as possible. So these sect is nothing but another kind of catholics. Decency, modesty and humility make a good person. and not pride of teh own arrogance and vanity.
Then why don’t you complain about the million dollar homes that get built around temples? Why only complain about the temples themselves? Because you’re not mad about the size, you’re mad because of whose building it.
WFAA, please stop referring to us as “Mormon” in the video description. Please refer to us as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thank you so much.
Your name is a misnomer, as your church has nothing to do with Christ.
Thomas s monson wouldn't mind
This is the true face of the LDS church. The kind and friendly act they put on is all a facade.
Right. The billions and billions of dollars voluntarily donated to poor people around the globe... it's just a "facade." Grow up.
Being kind also means putting up boundaries, for instance, don’t tell us what we can and can’t do on our own land.
@@prometheusrex1Even Jeffrey Epstein was a philanthropist.
@@prometheusrex1 All corporations donate to charity, for PR purposes. L.D.S. Inc. is no different.I t's drop in the bucket to them.
@@carolyearsley What does the church sell for a profit? Nothing. You are deeply and seriously dishonest in your comparison to for-profit corporations. I hope you'll seriously look at yourself and consider being more honest.
I like the spire on those temples. Makes for a cool looking building when I drive past these beautiful buildings of the church of later days
Ugh that lady....A lie by omission is still a lie..
Since the Dallas temple was built in 1984 they have built temples in Houston (2000), Lubbock (2002), San Antonio (2005) and McAllen (2023)
The Dallas temple district is at most 1/10th it's original size - and doesn't even look like it is operating at capacity
Well.....there goes the neighborhood....next story up.. natural disaster hits Fairview, up at 8
The Lord will revise the design and come back with a new one and if they deny it again, that’s when He will act. How merciful is our God.
@@zionmama150 yah, Three Strikes your out rule.....Section 98
Yep… grapefruit sized hail, all the trees taken down just like what happened in Carrollton.
@@zionmama150the self-righteousness runs deep in you
@@zionmama150 It would be merciful if your god could take a break from killing babies in war zones long enough to revise the plans for his 100 million dollar castle. Praise be!
What would residents of Salt Lake City say if the Catholic church wanted to raise a Cathedral of the size if St. Patricks' in New York City.
Pretty sure the one in Salt Lake isn’t that much smaller.
"Hundreds of LDS members crowd small Texas town." This is the Mormon church's way of cramming a temple down these peoples' throats. Don't sugarcoat it.
This is a big treasury in Salt Lake City, Utah bullying Fairview Tx. These are shades of the Mountain Meadows Massacre .
That’s a little hyperbolic.
AMEND THA REGULATION , I DO NOT THINK ITS THE REGULATION OF THE TALLEST OF TOWER OF THE TEMPLE ITS , PURE TEXAN EXTREMIST RELIGION DESCRIMINTATION.
Just coat the temple and the steeple with the type of resin they use in climbing gyms, and turn it into a rock climbing experience for both LDS and non-LDS kids. The outpouring of love among the area's youth and rock climbers would make it shoe-in for approval.
It a place to WORSHIP, not do dumb stuff.
@@diannaanderson Just a suggestion, no need to get your britches in a bunch over a mere suggestion!
@allengreg5447: would you ever make such a suggestion to Muslims building a mosque, or to Jews building a synagogue, or to Catholics building a cathedral? Of course not. Please think before you type.
@@prometheusrex1 LOL- can't believe people thought I was serious.
@@prometheusrex1 Actually, I would, as a former mountain climber (back injury) whenever I see something tall, my first impulse is to think about climbing it. I'm not anti-religion, just pro-outdoor fun!
I thought everything was bigger in Texas!?
What’s the problem? To many Liberal Californian’s in Texas now?
All Churches aspire to elevate the soul of man, sacred architecture is one of the ways this has been done for Centuries, all around the world. The greatest buildings in the world are constructed with Divine proportion to inspire the souls of men and women to become better examples of humanity. Why not in Texas?
What a thought-stopping unthoughtful way to analyze this issue. This has nothing to do with liberalism. In fact, seeing as more of Texas is conservative and republican, it's more likely conservatives and republicans fighting the great and spacious corporate building. This is a residential area with zoning laws. People in Texas don't want a huge almost200ft spire huge temple overshadowing their whole area.
@@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843 It has EVERYTHING to do with progressive liberalism, Texas is not immune to it. They are only giving way at a slower pace. The Democrat Party is not the only source of Progressivism in America, many Republicans are just as ignorant to its effects. Any Conservative, pro-Constitution, pro-Liberty, pro-Freedom of Religion institutions should be the biggest influences in American culture, just like it was during the American Revolution. The old saying "Everything is bigger in Texas" is not true anymore. What happened?
Maybe they should pay taxes on all their buildings, then they would have a say.
LDS has always been a corrupt bully.
Since when?
@@Latterdaysaintcrunchymom Since Joseph Smith gave up conning others out of their money to find buried treasure and decided to become a prophet for profit. $$$
Right, with the billions they spend on charity and endless humanitarian projects 😂
@@Latterdaysaintcrunchymomsince inception
@@tylerfielding5311 They spend most of the money guilt ridden from the gullible goes to build graven images Temples and investments, a small per cent goes of charities which they highly publicized. They have squirreled away over $100 Billion.
Not as influential and manipulative as AIPAC.
Keep looking atop every abominable temple and to the fallen angel Moroni.
Another cult setting in a small town. time to move if approve
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with human hands. ~Acts 17:24
Don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and who was given to you by God? ~1 Corinthians 6:19.
The Mormon church leadership should spend less time building temples and more time using their $100 billion hedge fund to help the poor. Or else start taxing them. Investment funds are NOT not for profit.
In Texazz it’s religious freedom for me but not for thou.
if it were a Muslim mosque and they wanted a mineret the same heoght for their chanter to sing the call to prayer would this be an issue or even news?
just another example of the attack on anything Christianity in America
LDS is far, far from Christianity. And if the Muslims wanted to build a huge building in a residential neighborhood I'm sure they would be denied too.
@@patricewassmann212 The temple ceremony is run by Lucifer, giving the patrons instructions on what to do.
Muslims too would need to follow zoning laws.
Lots of lots nearby on McKinney Ranch Parkway
Worship gold lambs? Uh...no!
Darkness does not like light. 👹 🙏
Then when is the dark evil LDS temple trying to build itself in the bright light of beautiful fairview?
LDS Church is founded on Joseph's Myth.
Excuse me but the Temple is not a worship center (like a Ward House or Stake House are). It's mostly for people to do "temple work" (baptisms, endowments, and marriages) for the dead. In fact, more dead people are served there than living people. As a teen, I was baptized in a temple a total of 52 times for 52 separate deceased persons. And I didn't know any of them and wasn't related to any of them. So don't be fooled by the "We need additional temples to serve our local membership" line. Unless their local membership is made up of dead people, none of their local members are being served.
You realize live ordinances are performed as well?
@@spideyN8R You need a building that big to do your silly Free Mason handshakes?
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the temples are used for. Many members worship in the temple on a weekly and monthly basis, such worship is a blessing for the deceased individuals and the proxy performing the ordinance.
My experience is that it is a tremendous help or “ service” to me. Every time I go. I’m able to leave my troubles behind for a time. Feel the peace and love of God. Receive answers to prayers. Grow my relationship with my Savior. It is indeed a great blessing in my life. My experience is different from yours and it’s ok to have different experiences. Peace.
IT IS A VERY SPECIAL, GOOD AND POWERFUL ACT THAT THE CHURCH RECENTLY PERFORMED. PAYING FOR AND DELIVERING A QUALITY MRI MACHINE AND A MAMMAGRAM MACHINE FOR PREVENTIVE CARE TO A COMMUNITY THAT NEEDED THIS EQUIPMENT AND COULDN,T AFFORD IT.
If you could get a high spire, for what your faith believes would literally be for glory to God, why not fight for that? Your only option would be to fight for it. If you don't win, that's that.
No one would care if this were a Catholic church
Spires dont mean anything. Its all about the ordinances--right?
@@alananat6628 totally false statement to say “spires mean nothing”. If they spires meant nothing than why are they on chapels and temples? They are symbolic.
And symbols hold the deepest of “meaning”.
And of course, what matters most is what happens on the inside, at least inside the hearts of those who enter.
@@igoldenknight2169great and spacious building
@@zionmama150 The zoning laws have long been there and are applicable to Catholic Churches as well as Mormon churches.
Heretical cult.
It's not because of the spire, it's because they don't want members of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints in their town.
Don't lie. They literally said as long as you follow zoning laws, which are completely reasonable, they can have their temple. The church is being stubborn for their vanity.
It's a cult and a business. That's it, that's all its ever been.
Hope they lose it.
Lds is a big cult
Yep, false church, false prophets (all so-called "prophets" of this dispensation are) and twisted doctrine. JS was liar and listened to a deceiving devil, not God Almighty Jesus Christ.
Gross.
They need to stay in Utah
Nope people in Utah don’t want these buildings breaking code either. Unfortunately the church has more influence over government officials in Utah…for now. Voting against any Mormon politicians every chance I get.
WELL, WHAT WILL BE THE FINAL OUTCOME. I HOPE PROVISIONS AND CONSESSIONS WILL BE ALLOWED ON BOTH PARTIES. LET,S HOPE IT WILL BE FAIR IN FAIRVIEW AND EQUITABLE. MAY THE LORD BLESS US TO FIND IN OUR HEARTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT FEELS LIKE FROM EVERYBODYS PERSPECTIVE. IT WILL BE A VERY BEAUTIFUL EDIFYING EDIFICE , THOUGH. WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN EVENTUALLY, WITH CONSESSIONS AND TEARS ON BOTH PARTYS LINE.
The church operates tiny temples in ND and NE. The compromise is easy, make the temple smaller.
Like how the woman in thumbnail doesn’t met LDS modesty standards 😂
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about at all.
@@tylerfielding5311Think whatever you want but I can tell by her sheer fabric she is not wearing her garments.
@@RatedFforFUGlenda LOL, I noticed that, too.
Modern day judases
They’re not special. Every church building has to follow the same rules. Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, flying spaghetti monsters. These particular religious folks have this thing where they think they’re exempt from man’s laws.
Wow what a way to become a great neighbor😂 forcing your church into the community! Great PR! 🎉
I'd be curious to see the church develop temples similar to the temple in Versailles (Le Chesnay), with a lowered roof to accommodate local height restrictions. I don't understand the demographics very well there in Texas, but the U.S. likes to build horizontally anyways.
They are supposed to be a beacon of light and it is OK that they have a spire. Super disappointed that a city would deny the property rights of the Church all because of religious bigotry. This is sick.
@@zionmama150 It has nothing to do with not wanting members to have a temple, as has been reiterated countless times; it's the height. Some communities, like Fairview, enjoy being away from all the skyscrapers etc. The church can either build it somewhere else or obey the laws of the land and make it an acceptable height, just like they did with the Paris temple.
@@zionmama150 Chill, Haizleigh.
Tower of babbel
What do they think will happen? People will be doing good deeds for each other? Be polite? Modest? Kind? Less drunk driving and drugs? Quiet? Texas is so embarrassing!
Or maybe they just don't want a huge building in a residential area. This really is not difficult to understand.
If you have read FU website. One of their concerns was shadows...
@@Migglesworthor maybe, they want to make money selling Fairview United T-shirts 👕...
Or maybe they have an issue with the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
We let one in and the are pressing their luck to get another one in. Not in Fairview.
@@firstLast-gb9kr "If you have read FU website. One of their concerns was shadows..."
Have you ever been introduced to something known as, "a complete sentence"?
@@MigglesworthWhat?
No. This is a false belief and has wicked practices.
Don't let them build!!!
But it is not BAPTIST, so its not christian . The is Texas afterall.
No!!
Build that Temple.
Mormon do not follow Jesus
The citizens dont want to be reminded that they are sinners they dont wanna change their ways! 😂 They rather give their savings to the likes of Osteen! 😂
Theyre sinners because...its their neighborhoods bèing impacted? They dont like being bullied by the only true church?
@alananat6628 isnt this the land of freedom? I guess youre too blind to see who's bullying who. 😂
Mormons are some of the worst sinners I know. Completely NPD people. Toxic, unkind, self-serving, doesn't respect others, many are hypocrites, obsessed with their own power, mentally abuse people. I don't know why you think Mormonism has anything to do with 'less sin,' Mormons are the worst hypocrites and sinners I know. Terrible people.
What wicked practices and give me some examples
Fun Fact~ Mormons view Joseph Smith as equal to if not greater than Jesus Christ.
Seems like you've never actually talked to an LDS person. Not sure where you get your fun facts from, but definitely not from someone who knows what they're talking about.
Wrong. Joseph Smith was and is a prophet of God. Just like Moses. No one in the LDS church puts Joseph Smith above Christ. Christ is the only one that saves.
@@michellekost7846Golden CDs found in a box in upstate NY pointed out by a geko?
These cults are funny😂😂😂😂
move along cultists.
We need to make all churches pay their fair taxes if they want to get involved in politics 😒 Everyone else here in the U.S. is paying taxes why tf not Churches? they are the reason why Poor and middle class American’s are struggling. TAX THE CHURCH!!! ⛪️