She’s always been awful and a user of people. Look how she treated Steve at the beginning, dressing him down like he was shit, then changing her mind just cos Big showed up, look at how she treated Skipper. The way she behaved with that guy from the gym who said she was sexy was hideous. She’s a vampire, she’s uses folk and throws them aside when they are fucking used up by Miranda.
so.... in her 30-s Miranda was smart, confident, buying apartments in Manhattan type and NOW in her 50-s, she's acting like a 15-year old. goshhhh #cancelthisshow
and yet i know a lot of people to whom this exact thing happens. it's bc they are so consumed with fitting into a mold and conforming to society's expectations that they never quite figure themselves out until much later.
It’s funny that Miranda told Carrie in Sex and the city that with Big she is pathetic , needy and insecure and now that’s exactly how Miranda is with Che IMO
I don’t understand how Che just assumed Miranda was in an open marriage? Yes Miranda had been fully coming on to her but you would think that Che would ask Miranda what her marriage situation is as Che likes to ask people personal questions anyways.
Many openly queer adults navigate polyamorously and assume that others do to. There's also the fact that you think that another adult is operating with some form of decency.
@@twen2times I don't and I'm bi but I guess that everyone is different. I just don't understand how all these weeks of them sleeping together that Miranda’s marriage conversation never came up.
I have to disagree. They're adults. If Miranda is in a monogamous marriage, but is flirting, giving the green light to someone else's advances as well, it's Miranda who has responsibility to make that clear. If she is behaving in favour and is in company of an open minded crowd, it's not unfair to assume she's wanting to be or is an active participant. It's not Che's job to intrinsically know the functionings and agreements of Mirandas marriage, it's not her business either. It's not unfair for Che to assume everything was safe and consensual when it's a personality like Miranda either. The shock makes sense.
@@sierraoscar2705 I get that but I would've thought Che would've asked about it if they were together all these weeks. Miranda is in her own world being selfish as usual.
Probably because she hangs around a lot of untraditional, polyamorous people. She probably just trusted Miranda and assumed that Miranda must be in an open relationship if she was so casually hooking up with someone else.
She represented LGBTQ way better in Grey's anatomy than here . It was filled with love and empowerment there here it is soooo forced it is getting cringey by the second 🙄
"My home's wrecked already" --- wow!! just WOW! Miranda actually trying to justify her cheating on her husband for WEEKS and then 3 MONTHS before that AND not evening feeling so much as an ounce of guilt for Steve? Who even is this character?? Good on Ché for telling Miranda to sort her life out! My heart just broke for Steve when Miranda finally told him she wants a divorce and tells him that she's met someone. Poor Steve, his explanation was just heart-wrenching. "Miranda... you and me... we've been together for a long time and...it's always like this. You don't think that I'm enough...then I'm kind of enough...and then I'm not enough again. *And I'm always there*...you know, hanging in there for us." I'm not saying that it justifies when he cheated that one time on Miranda ten years ago, because nothing justifies cheating, but it really explains it so much more and makes us see that Steve has been struggling with his own hurt of never feeling like enough for Miranda for all these years but still being there because he loves her and only wants to make her happy. It was a really good scene between the two of them as sad as it was and gave Steve some of the respect his character deserves, it felt more like the Steve we know from the original SATC. I love that he said he just wanted Miranda to be happy because that's exactly the way he was in the original series and what he always wanted for her.
@@paulg6527 I agree that you can't just assume, but when someone is practically throwing themselves at you & pursuing you it isn't your fault if you 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 assume that the person is a cheating ass 🤷♀️
I admire Che for putting their foot down and not being willing to consciously be a homewrecker…but that was a MAJOR assumption. Cheating is waaaaay more common than open relationships. Why would Che automatically assume Steve was okay with all this?
3:10 “Why did you put yourself out there if you’re not available!” 3:17 “Married and lying is another!” 3:44 “I don’t sneak around! I don’t cheat and I don’t lie! I’m a lot of things, but I’m not a home wrecker!” You Go Che!
@@paulg6527 maybe the way Miranda pursued Che, led Che to think Miranda was available and not with anyone. It didn’t seem like she was in an open marriage. Didn’t seem like she mentioned Steve.
One of the first gays I knew of was a man who abruptly left his wife and three children after ten years of marriage. We later learned he was screwing around while they were still married (this was in the early 1980s). Many years later I learned he went to this gay legal clinic and they told him at the present time not to come out of the closet or leave his wife because he might lose access to his children. It was not until later when the climate had changed when they told him he could safely leave his marriage. Even worse, he left a brain injured wife to raise three children, one of whom had developmental disabilities due to having been born premature, on welfare. I was left with a very bitter anti-gay sentiment as a result of this, and it took me years to get over it.
@@jrcasselman I'm glad you got over it, and thank you for being open-minded to change your prejudices. The sort of thing you described is very common in heterosexual marriages and relationships as well (much more so, actually), so remaining in that mindset would have been wrong and very misguided.
@@blerksnarfgut2766 Thanks for your understanding. You have to understand this was the first time I had ever known a man to have abruptly left his family, and it was the first time I had seen a family fall into such abject poverty, but I think the man's brothers stepped in to help out. This whole thing was therefore completely foreign to the way I had been raised and caused me to equate homosexuality with family abandonment.
Oh, God can’t stand people trying to justify their cheating like “my marriage is wrecked already so it’s ok that I lie, cheat and shit all over my husband/wife.”
Cynthia essentially ruined everything Miranda is just to be true to her real self, not Miranda as a character. This show is so bad, as a fan of SATC since 2009, the only parts I can even watch are Charlotte’s.
No, Che. That’s called cheating! It’s strange to assume Miranda is in an open marriage, although I do agree with her questioning of why Miranda put herself out there if she isn’t available? The way they made Steve simp and not take his ring off was bullshit!
She does it herself, according to the stylist Pati Smith? she commented that Cynthia Nixon could be difficult at times and she wouldn't take the advice of the stylist
Who remembers My So-Called Life? Remember the would-be affair that Angela's dad (Graham) had with Hallie? THAT was real character development, the way we saw the whole process of how that would come to be. And it was in just as few episodes but seamless, a natural progression.
ABSOLUTELY! It was paced well so I didn’t end up hating Graham (the affair was wrong, but I understood his infidelity). Miranda makes *NO SENSE* 🤷🏾♂️🚫😂
One of Miranda’s worst looks so far - the white hair continues to make her look pale, and it clashes bizarrely with the teenagey outfit she’s got on. Those shoes and rolled-up jeans? That off the shoulder blouse? Weird.
Omggg I used to love this show.. now it sucks. Big died. Steve gets dumped for a chick that looks manly. Now Rose is Rock. What the heck happened to this show that everyone tuned into every week and absolutely loved? The show went too woke and tons of others agree. This show needs new writers
Say what you will about this show, this is a great scene. This is "Carrie apologizes to Natasha at brunch" level of calling someone out on their bullshit.
I guess it's common thing that 1st gay experience makes one do hasty decisions but I found it not credible that Che would have just falled for Miranda like that with that solid life style they already got. Especially when Miranda was basically just a puppy dog around them. Plus why was it so important that they ended up together? Couldn't there be at least ONE character that would have been happy being single?
i absolutely despise this character and i despise this storyline. I loved Miranda but she is a HYPOCRITE! Steve cheated due to lack of SEX and Miranda almost threw the marriage away. Rightfully so but they worked on it. She cheats now because of the same thing? In essence, shes a hypocrite ‼️
Thank you. Thank you. I hardly see anyone calling this out and how Steve kept once outside of marriage and spent a year trying to make it right and yet Miranda just threw her marriage away because she is having an affair. Not a one night stand but a relationship with Che.
it is not entirety her fault the marriage goes both ways in reality Miranda wanted more she wanted to be with Steve but he wasn’t giving her what she wanted she was not happy in her marriage and she wanted to leave I just don’t understand how y’all can judge her for wanting to get a divorce or what out of her marriage or for her to go for what she wants if you want her the episode form the beginning instead of skipping mostly all the parts you can see that she did try to make it work but she couldn’t she got a divorce
Easy, because in the first Sex and the City movie after Steve confessed to screwing a girl once and only once she flipped out and was done with the marriage while Steve was remorseful. Ms. I have a midlife crises and thinks I am too good for everyone Miranda now just bounces and says goodbye makes the ending of the first Sex and the City movie look pointless. What was the point of getting therapy and coming back after Steve spent a year making it right if Miranda can’t even talk or try to communicate with her husband even with his hearing loss to figure things out. Or heck why not they get a divorce and she can start her life with whomever she likes?
It's a little weird that Che just assumed Miranda was in an open marriage just because she had sex with someone who is not her husband. I don't think it will ever be a normal assumption when you sleep with someone who's married. Steve: "Did you have sex with my wife?" Che: "Yes" Steve: "Did you know she was married?" Che: "Yes, but I assumed she was in a open marriage" Steve: "Because she had sex with you!?" Che: "Yes"
Miranda is blushing as if she's a teenager fallen in love for the first time. It's disgusting. Che might not be likable overall but she's got clarity about her way of life. Miranda cheats on her husband with a woman. All her life she was not even aware she might be lesbian too. Che is right. Miranda hasn't got her life figured out.
miranda is SUCH A HYPOCRITE.At the least steve admitted it & wanted miranda. A clean slate a new start & a hot life. Miranda is sneaking lying wtf why is it ok for her character to do this?
Thank you. She is the biggest hypocrite. That is why I can’t watch full episode’s of this show. Miranda yet always thought herself as all high and mighty and yet she is worse than what Steve did.
Somewhere over my ass! Che's logic: Not open marriage is wrong because you go home sleeping with your husband (which I agree) buuut open marriage?that's absolutely okay because..you don't sleep with your husband? Aha aha. Hahahaha. Che is playing she wants her only for herself but then when Miranda (being stupid as f.ck) do it, Che tells her coldly in the face they are not dating and she is not her girlfriend.(however Che softens the situation telling her: ,,she's the only person she is sleeping with..right now." Aaahahahahahahahahahaa
God ....I'm in exactly the same situation at the moment.....hearing it all right in front of you is like the quiet conversation I'm having with myself. Hard. There's actually alot of caring and emotion involved but I'm constantly aware I'm a homewrecker and I don't like it. Not honorable.
The writers decided to write for simpletons and a mainstream audience while the original show still aired (Making Big/Carrie a plausible relationship, turned Richard a truly plausible relationship for Sam into a monster to prop us Smith... totally implausible) So this isn't surprising or new.
I'm so happy they're showing healthy poly people in tv cos Che is 100% in the right. Che DOESN'T cheat and they don't wanna be a with cheater. Miranda really was okay with cheating and being selfish and USING Che WHILE hurting her husband and lying to him and everyone else. Sorry Miranda. Not gonna fly
Che knew Miranda has a son and is married. If Miranda had lied and said it's an open marriage: okay. But Che simply did not care wether Miranda is married or not.
@@siggilinde5623 I really have to disagree w you saying Che didn't care tbh. Che doesn't mind if her partners are married, in a relationship or single, but she does care if they're a cheater and using them to cheat and be dishonest in a relationship. Che cares about honesty and for want to be with someone who is dishonest to them and their partners. Ethical polyamory is about honesty and informed consent. I'm monogamous and have no interest in being poly or dating a poly person, but I find myself having to defend ethical polyamory, and by extension, Che on these AJLT threads bcos there's so many misconceptions here and misdirected blame/anger and alot of it I think is part of Che being a new character we didn't have years to love, grow with and understand. Also cos Steve is a sweetheart and didn't deserve to be blindsided like this. I don't necessarily like Che's character and personality, but I def have to respect their ethics, the demand for honesty, respect and their setting of boundaries. If Che didn't care this wouldn't be an issue in any way, shape or form. This convo wouldn't have happened. Che would've just said something like, "yikessss that was close" and taken the coffee and just changed the topic. Miranda presented herself to Che, an OPENLY ethical poly person, as a married woman who was on the market and looking and Che assumed bcos they're honest about their own relationship dynamics that Miranda was being honest as well. What you're saying is similar to saying that someone who finds out the person they're dating is in a whole other relationship and they should be held responsible for that other person's dishonesty. Was Che supposed to hunt down Steve and Brady and introduce themselves as Miranda's partner and question Steve? I've seen some comments like this blaming Che for not doing due dilligence and checking w Steve and asking about his marriage with Miranda. Che wouldn't EVER do that bcos that disrespects boundaries. (also it's kinda way too early in Che + Miranda's relationship I'm sure ) In an ethical poly relationship dynamic, it would be up to Miranda AND Steve if they were to be introduced to Che, and when. It would also be up to Che if they were comfortable with meeting their new partner's long-term spouse, and when. Some poly people prefer it that way and others don't. Miranda was dishonest through omission and Miranda KNOWS that. It was purposeful. Che realises that and that rightfully angers them. Miranda said she is married and has a son, alot of people in open marriages do. She knew Che was poly and non-monogamous and she (much like many ppl tbh) took that as Che being down to cheat and sneak around. She was wrong. Like listen to her response even when Che confronts her "he(Steve) doesnt know about me??" She tries to justify it instead of saying something along the lines of "...I thought you were okay with that??" While that would be messed up, it would show that Miranda GENUINELY doesn't understand what being poly is about. I'm sure that convo would've gone the same way but Che would've set her straight about their relationship expectations and what being poly actually is. Che even goes on to say says, "I'm NOT a cheater, I DON'T sneak around. I'm not a homewrecker". Miranda: *my home is already wrecked.* Che DOES care, it's Miranda who doesn't care (about her marriage, about honesty and about respecting Che's boundaries) and instead of just admitting that she was wrong and she's okay with just lying, cheating and sneaking around and disrespecting people she CLAIMS to love, she decided to double down and try to make Che not care and be okay with the selfish mess she knowingly dragged them into, thus challenging their ethical polyamory, their boundaries and their respect for relationships and themself. Miranda is disrespecting both Steve AND Che. BOTH Steve AND Che are the victims here bcos of Miranda's lies and selfishness. She's USING Che and Che is obvi disgusted by it. That's why Che walked away. And it's so telling that Miranda is surprised at Che's willingness to dump her after blatantly disrespecting her cos imo shes used to just stomping all over Steve and getting her way, never having to apolgize. She's used to ppl not arguing w her or just conceding and moving on. Even when Charlotte said, "it's AN AFFAIR! !" Miranda could've said "Che is fine with open relationships, they're Poly" and to that Charlotte or even Carrie (who knows Che) coudlve softly said, "but you're not/you and Steve aren't". She just got angry and stomped away. Carrie decided to stay out of it, but Charlotte held her accountable. She KNEW she was wrong and she didnt have a comeback. Che NEVER would have gotten involved with Miranda if they knew she was in a closed monogamous marriage, something she agreed to with her spouse. She likes Miranda A TON but Che refuses to do this bcos 1) it's disrespectful to Che 2) it goes against everything they stand for ie their ethics regarding transparency, honesty and respecting your partners 3) it's disrespectful to Steve and jeapordizes her family potentially hurting their teen son. And imo ppl need to stop treating Che like just cos they're poly they don't respect relationships and respect boundaries bcos Che doesn't even KNOW Steve and Brady and by walking away they are respecting them way more than Miranda has been for the last 3 weeks. I hope in the upcoming episodes they delve deeper into this bcos Che is NOT in the wrong here and I hope there isn't any confrontation between Steve and Che or any of Miranda's friends bcos Miranda is the one who misrepresented herself. Also in no way was Che saying Miranda should leave Steve and break up their marriage for them. Che said "sort your life out" and then Miranda makes the rash decision to leave her husband for various reasons, but also hoping this now meana she can be with Che. Then she calls Che and says "I told him". If Che does continue to be w Miranda in the future, judging from the preview it'll prob only be a physical thing cos that's what Miranda has relegated herself to cos she very blatantly showed Che that she isn't fit to be a good serious partner bcos she's fine w lying and hurting people she's supposed to care about. I loved Miranda in SATC bcos she had a good heart even though she was v flawed and I'm still rooting for her, but it's evident Miranda's values have changed v much and it saddens me bcos she's really self destructive now. I hope she gets better and finds herself at the end of this series. Sorry this is so long.
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I am straight but this lady is fucking attractive..
Who is?!
I agree
Be specific, which lady?
Che Is to hot, I mean.
I hope you mean the woman in the leather jacket…
Miranda is coming off as one of those women who doesnt care how she hurts others as long as she is happy.
Takes the emphasis off Carrie.. well saying SJP is one of the writers.
Yeah. A real brown-noser too with her professor, but then she treats Steve like s***. She’s annoying and selfish.
She’s always been awful and a user of people. Look how she treated Steve at the beginning, dressing him down like he was shit, then changing her mind just cos Big showed up, look at how she treated Skipper. The way she behaved with that guy from the gym who said she was sexy was hideous. She’s a vampire, she’s uses folk and throws them aside when they are fucking used up by Miranda.
Yeah
She always has, always hated her
so.... in her 30-s Miranda was smart, confident, buying apartments in Manhattan type and NOW in her 50-s, she's acting like a 15-year old. goshhhh #cancelthisshow
and yet i know a lot of people to whom this exact thing happens. it's bc they are so consumed with fitting into a mold and conforming to society's expectations that they never quite figure themselves out until much later.
She also quit her job so lost herself and her confidence and stuck in a marriage rutt
Yes Cancel this 💩!
I don't understand why Che is even interested in Miranda. They don't seem to have anything in common. They just have sex but the passion fades fast.
I guess that's exactly where this storyline is headed... it's gonna be a hard fall for Miranda then
Maybe Che just likes to 'conquer' people. She's just a nasty nasty character. But isn't Che still married to 'their' ex-husband?
It’s funny that Miranda told Carrie in Sex and the city that with Big she is pathetic , needy and insecure and now that’s exactly how Miranda is with Che IMO
And the award for boundary setting goes to che!
How ??? There is no such thing as open marriage , open marriage doesn’t involve feelings but Che said she loves Miranda which makes it
Cheating !!
AFTER just assuming someone had an open marriage? How?
And the award for the most pathetic, non teenage cringefest goes to... Miranda and Che 😒
I can't stand Miranda's creepy smile throughout this episode.
I don’t understand how Che just assumed Miranda was in an open marriage? Yes Miranda had been fully coming on to her but you would think that Che would ask Miranda what her marriage situation is as Che likes to ask people personal questions anyways.
Dang, didn't look at it like that. Yes, really that makes since🤔
Many openly queer adults navigate polyamorously and assume that others do to. There's also the fact that you think that another adult is operating with some form of decency.
@@twen2times I don't and I'm bi but I guess that everyone is different. I just don't understand how all these weeks of them sleeping together that Miranda’s marriage conversation never came up.
I have to disagree. They're adults. If Miranda is in a monogamous marriage, but is flirting, giving the green light to someone else's advances as well, it's Miranda who has responsibility to make that clear. If she is behaving in favour and is in company of an open minded crowd, it's not unfair to assume she's wanting to be or is an active participant. It's not Che's job to intrinsically know the functionings and agreements of Mirandas marriage, it's not her business either. It's not unfair for Che to assume everything was safe and consensual when it's a personality like Miranda either. The shock makes sense.
@@sierraoscar2705 I get that but I would've thought Che would've asked about it if they were together all these weeks.
Miranda is in her own world being selfish as usual.
I like Che's moral in this, however, why did she just assume Miranda was in an open marriage? She never asked her.
Che: "You ARE in an open marriage, aren't you? Me: I didn't know that being in an open marriage was a given.
@@tanyafrida7380 No it’s absolutely NOT and is not acceptable.
Probably because she hangs around a lot of untraditional, polyamorous people. She probably just trusted Miranda and assumed that Miranda must be in an open relationship if she was so casually hooking up with someone else.
@@elhammo7478 With all due respect, that would make her extremely naive. And she doesn't seem naive to me.
@@tanyafrida7380 because there wasn't such a big online Community before. In hindsight they analyzed the heck out of that show.
The way she dumped that coffee into the trash
Her sanity must of been in the red hair
MUST. HAVE.
and brain cells
😂😂😂
Mirana has lost her shit
Along with her vibrant hair color… 🤫🤓
My sentiments exactly
She lost her brains too
Im not used to Sara's new haircut, i'm still living in Grey's Anatomy
me too
Right, but she looks great though.
@@tsilva2183 "They" Sara is non-binary.
@@Mariajose-qt5ey excuse me They
@@tsilva2183 The world would be a better place if everybody reacted like this after being corrected.
Does Che just assume everyone has an open marriage by default if they decide to cheat? Now she has boundaries. Okay.
This show seems less satc and more like an lgbtq campaign
Agreed 100%
Yes and how booooooring it all is...
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely and the show sucks
A desperation to stay relevant with a hint of attention seeking cash grab!
She represented LGBTQ way better in Grey's anatomy than here . It was filled with love and empowerment there here it is soooo forced it is getting cringey by the second 🙄
Miranda looks like a stunned mannequin with that frozen stuck smile and dead lifeless eyes
Honestly this scene made me hate Miranda and I used to love her. They are making her so self centered and careless
The real storyline here is that Brady has a girlfriend and I'm still single. 😳
The show is grotesque 🤮🤮🤮
Well get ready. AJLT 2 just announced HBO pick up.
Noooooooooooooooooooooo...!! 😱😱
@@bethe192 I know, not watching it ☝️😌
@@albertoestrada4579 Nor will I, my friend.
😉👋🌌
The writers for this show are awful. Miranda looks so damn old. I'm going to call her Mirgrandma.
Time happens. Even to you 🤷♀️
@@calamityj3634 Miranda looks so damn old, not Cynthia Nixon.
@@calamityj3634 it doesn't mean that a 55 years old woman should look like she was 80.
She doesn’t look 80, she looks like a 50 year old that doesn’t dye her hair or have anything injected into her face.
Shes is kinda old. Shes 56. I'm 52 and it isnt exactly young.😂
Baby girl wait until Che drops you like an old sock ! And don’t you dare go back and cry at Steve’s lap
"My home's wrecked already" --- wow!! just WOW! Miranda actually trying to justify her cheating on her husband for WEEKS and then 3 MONTHS before that AND not evening feeling so much as an ounce of guilt for Steve? Who even is this character??
Good on Ché for telling Miranda to sort her life out!
My heart just broke for Steve when Miranda finally told him she wants a divorce and tells him that she's met someone.
Poor Steve, his explanation was just heart-wrenching. "Miranda... you and me... we've been together for a long time and...it's always like this. You don't think that I'm enough...then I'm kind of enough...and then I'm not enough again. *And I'm always there*...you know, hanging in there for us." I'm not saying that it justifies when he cheated that one time on Miranda ten years ago, because nothing justifies cheating, but it really explains it so much more and makes us see that Steve has been struggling with his own hurt of never feeling like enough for Miranda for all these years but still being there because he loves her and only wants to make her happy.
It was a really good scene between the two of them as sad as it was and gave Steve some of the respect his character deserves, it felt more like the Steve we know from the original SATC. I love that he said he just wanted Miranda to be happy because that's exactly the way he was in the original series and what he always wanted for her.
And sooner Miranda is gonna regret choosing Che too because the reason she got so close to Che is because she's bored sexually
I'll tell you why. Cynthia nixon os now miranda Hobbs ...and so now we can see Cynthia is a selfish narcissist
Agreed x10000%
@@riobrasilsambashowssambist1453 agreed, and that is awful, she ruined a character
Lol how u just assume someone who’s married is in a open mirrage
Because Miranda has been pursuing Che and has been acting as if she's available
I know right? 😅 Most people would ask what the situation is unless they don't care
@a g you can't just assume though. If you know someone is married, don't just think they're in an open marriage.
@@paulg6527 I agree that you can't just assume, but when someone is practically throwing themselves at you & pursuing you it isn't your fault if you 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 assume that the person is a cheating ass 🤷♀️
In her 30s Miranda was "definitely not gay". Remember Syd? S1.? ...
I admire Che for putting their foot down and not being willing to consciously be a homewrecker…but that was a MAJOR assumption. Cheating is waaaaay more common than open relationships. Why would Che automatically assume Steve was okay with all this?
Miranda looks like such a witch in this season
Worst equality rally, ever.
This entire show is a train wreck.
It tries too hard on every level .
"Living in your true today". What does that even mean??! What a load of bollocks!
3:10 “Why did you put yourself out there if you’re not available!” 3:17 “Married and lying is another!” 3:44 “I don’t sneak around! I don’t cheat and I don’t lie! I’m a lot of things, but I’m not a home wrecker!” You Go Che!
I will say, why did Che just assume Miranda was in an open marriage, at least ask.
@@paulg6527 maybe the way Miranda pursued Che, led Che to think Miranda was available and not with anyone. It didn’t seem like she was in an open marriage. Didn’t seem like she mentioned Steve.
One of the first gays I knew of was a man who abruptly left his wife and three children after ten years of marriage.
We later learned he was screwing around while they were still married (this was in the early 1980s).
Many years later I learned he went to this gay legal clinic and they told him at the present time not to come out of the closet or leave his wife because he might lose access to his children. It was not until later when the climate had changed when they told him he could safely leave his marriage.
Even worse, he left a brain injured wife to raise three children, one of whom had developmental disabilities due to having been born premature, on welfare.
I was left with a very bitter anti-gay sentiment as a result of this, and it took me years to get over it.
@@jrcasselman I'm glad you got over it, and thank you for being open-minded to change your prejudices. The sort of thing you described is very common in heterosexual marriages and relationships as well (much more so, actually), so remaining in that mindset would have been wrong and very misguided.
@@blerksnarfgut2766 Thanks for your understanding.
You have to understand this was the first time I had ever known a man to have abruptly left his family, and it was the first time I had seen a family fall into such abject poverty, but I think the man's brothers stepped in to help out. This whole thing was therefore completely foreign to the way I had been raised and caused me to equate homosexuality with family abandonment.
Oh, God can’t stand people trying to justify their cheating like “my marriage is wrecked already so it’s ok that I lie, cheat and shit all over my husband/wife.”
Seeing McSteamy (Cal in Euphoria) and now Dr. Torres play completely different roles in their new shows is still so crazy to me
In Navajo Che mean Grandpa. Everytime they say her name all I think of is my Grandpa.
Cynthia essentially ruined everything Miranda is just to be true to her real self, not Miranda as a character. This show is so bad, as a fan of SATC since 2009, the only parts I can even watch are Charlotte’s.
I can’t bare her either. The way she talks to everybody like they 5.
I can't with her either
I hate Miranda too!!!! She should've be her own boss with her own company running the world!!!! Not being just as Cynthia Nixon.
No, Che. That’s called cheating! It’s strange to assume Miranda is in an open marriage, although I do agree with her questioning of why Miranda put herself out there if she isn’t available? The way they made Steve simp and not take his ring off was bullshit!
And just like that all I see is dr. Callie torris from grays anatomy
Mee too
Callie was one my favorite character on grey Anatomy.
Who the hell dresses Miranda and does her "Look" ! She can look so much younger !
She does it herself, according to the stylist Pati Smith? she commented that Cynthia Nixon could be difficult at times and she wouldn't take the advice of the stylist
@@michz9304Cynthia Nixon has ruined Miranda Hobbes).
This totally stereotypes the lgbt community
Who remembers My So-Called Life? Remember the would-be affair that Angela's dad (Graham) had with Hallie? THAT was real character development, the way we saw the whole process of how that would come to be. And it was in just as few episodes but seamless, a natural progression.
ABSOLUTELY! It was paced well so I didn’t end up hating Graham (the affair was wrong, but I understood his infidelity). Miranda makes *NO SENSE* 🤷🏾♂️🚫😂
Yeah it’s open Steve just didn’t know it was 😂😂😂😂
One of Miranda’s worst looks so far - the white hair continues to make her look pale, and it clashes bizarrely with the teenagey outfit she’s got on. Those shoes and rolled-up jeans? That off the shoulder blouse? Weird.
it makes her look sooo old!
Poor Steve
Omggg I used to love this show.. now it sucks. Big died. Steve gets dumped for a chick that looks manly. Now Rose is Rock. What the heck happened to this show that everyone tuned into every week and absolutely loved? The show went too woke and tons of others agree. This show needs new writers
The message is loud and clear...heterosexual males are bad, mmkay?
I feel they’re trying to make Che look like the moral one in this when she’s anything but, I’m so sick of this woke crap
I cant find an episode 9 trailer yet 😢
Thats so Dr. Callie
Omg what have they done to the characters
I can do without this ridiculous character and story line that ruined the legacy of a show I once loved..
I hate everything I've seen about this REBOOT. I am also beyond exhausted by LGBTQULMNOP...Just over it. What is wrong with everyone 😕
This entire season was less about satd and more about an LGPTQ+ promotional campaign.
Believe me, we are funnier and wittier.
Say what you will about this show, this is a great scene. This is "Carrie apologizes to Natasha at brunch" level of calling someone out on their bullshit.
No it isn't.
God everything about Che Diaz is just awful.
I guess it's common thing that 1st gay experience makes one do hasty decisions but I found it not credible that Che would have just falled for Miranda like that with that solid life style they already got. Especially when Miranda was basically just a puppy dog around them. Plus why was it so important that they ended up together? Couldn't there be at least ONE character that would have been happy being single?
i absolutely despise this character and i despise this storyline. I loved Miranda but she is a HYPOCRITE!
Steve cheated due to lack of SEX and Miranda almost threw the marriage away. Rightfully so but they worked on it.
She cheats now because of the same thing? In essence, shes a hypocrite ‼️
Thank you. Thank you. I hardly see anyone calling this out and how Steve kept once outside of marriage and spent a year trying to make it right and yet Miranda just threw her marriage away because she is having an affair. Not a one night stand but a relationship with Che.
it is not entirety her fault the marriage goes both ways in reality Miranda wanted more she wanted to be with Steve but he wasn’t giving her what she wanted she was not happy in her marriage and she wanted to leave I just don’t understand how y’all can judge her for wanting to get a divorce or what out of her marriage or for her to go for what she wants if you want her the episode form the beginning instead of skipping mostly all the parts you can see that she did try to make it work but she couldn’t she got a divorce
Easy, because in the first Sex and the City movie after Steve confessed to screwing a girl once and only once she flipped out and was done with the marriage while Steve was remorseful. Ms. I have a midlife crises and thinks I am too good for everyone Miranda now just bounces and says goodbye makes the ending of the first Sex and the City movie look pointless. What was the point of getting therapy and coming back after Steve spent a year making it right if Miranda can’t even talk or try to communicate with her husband even with his hearing loss to figure things out. Or heck why not they get a divorce and she can start her life with whomever she likes?
It's a little weird that Che just assumed Miranda was in an open marriage just because she had sex with someone who is not her husband. I don't think it will ever be a normal assumption when you sleep with someone who's married.
Steve: "Did you have sex with my wife?"
Che: "Yes"
Steve: "Did you know she was married?"
Che: "Yes, but I assumed she was in a open marriage"
Steve: "Because she had sex with you!?"
Che: "Yes"
Yeah as if people in "closed" marriages don't cheat everyday.
Miranda is blushing as if she's a teenager fallen in love for the first time. It's disgusting. Che might not be likable overall but she's got clarity about her way of life. Miranda cheats on her husband with a woman. All her life she was not even aware she might be lesbian too. Che is right. Miranda hasn't got her life figured out.
This show is absolutely pitiful!!!
Why is Che acting so Superior and pompous, it's half her fault. Why would she just assume she's
in an open marriage without even asking. Just lame
Because her moral compass is pointing north now.
Why are those looking for acceptance, understanding, equality and tolerance segregated from those who are "the allies".... Does that make sense?
Both were in the wrong Miranda didn't tell her & Che just assumed *shrugs* simple as that
As if you would just assume someone was in a open marriage
I just can't
Che shaming should now be a segment called Cheming by Che
Has a ring to it
This crowd looks like a psychiatric ward
miranda is SUCH A HYPOCRITE.At the least steve admitted it & wanted miranda. A clean slate a new start & a hot life. Miranda is sneaking lying wtf why is it ok for her character to do this?
Thank you. She is the biggest hypocrite. That is why I can’t watch full episode’s of this show. Miranda yet always thought herself as all high and mighty and yet she is worse than what Steve did.
I’m a lesbian and I hate this
The way Cynthia Nixon says “no” is horrible
Somewhere over my ass!
Che's logic: Not open marriage is wrong because you go home sleeping with your husband (which I agree) buuut open marriage?that's absolutely okay because..you don't sleep with your husband? Aha aha. Hahahaha. Che is playing she wants her only for herself but then when Miranda (being stupid as f.ck) do it, Che tells her coldly in the face they are not dating and she is not her girlfriend.(however Che softens the situation telling her: ,,she's the only person she is sleeping with..right now." Aaahahahahahahahahahaa
Barf
That Che' thing was creepy and gross.
Who assumes someone is in an open marriage? Jesus Che sucks with the glade virtue.
Miranda has been pursuing Che & has been acting as if she's available.
Whatever happened to verbal communication ...xD
Why would her teen son need to know if his parents are in an open marriage or not
God ....I'm in exactly the same situation at the moment.....hearing it all right in front of you is like the quiet conversation I'm having with myself. Hard. There's actually alot of caring and emotion involved but I'm constantly aware I'm a homewrecker and I don't like it. Not honorable.
A lot of fish in the sea, choose the partner who is free and honest
I love Che, I dont like Miranda for Che
Krrsantan is eating the carrots taco.
Omggggg...🙄🙄🙄 killed SITC 👎
"Live your truth. You have nothing to hide." 🏳️🌈
*all while Miranda is hiding from her teenage son in the crowds*
The writers decided to write for simpletons and a mainstream audience while the original show still aired (Making Big/Carrie a plausible relationship, turned Richard a truly plausible relationship for Sam into a monster to prop us Smith... totally implausible) So this isn't surprising or new.
Good lord, why & how does Che have this cult following? So unrealistic.
Why is the gay flag backwards tho ❓💀
Che is not funny
What episode is this? I think I missed this episode
Is this really episode 8? I've been watching the show online and what is numbered as episode 8 online doesn't have this scene in it 😕
Couldn't they find one fun stand-up comic for the Che character? She's sooooo boring and dull
Wtf is this
Sad and the City aged like milk
Miranda definitely looks hotter in her 50s than when she were younger
Am i watching looking?
Che is an awful character 😂🤮
I'm so happy they're showing healthy poly people in tv cos Che is 100% in the right. Che DOESN'T cheat and they don't wanna be a with cheater.
Miranda really was okay with cheating and being selfish and USING Che WHILE hurting her husband and lying to him and everyone else.
Sorry Miranda. Not gonna fly
Che knew Miranda has a son and is married.
If Miranda had lied and said it's an open marriage: okay.
But Che simply did not care wether Miranda is married or not.
@@siggilinde5623 I really have to disagree w you saying Che didn't care tbh. Che doesn't mind if her partners are married, in a relationship or single, but she does care if they're a cheater and using them to cheat and be dishonest in a relationship. Che cares about honesty and for want to be with someone who is dishonest to them and their partners. Ethical polyamory is about honesty and informed consent.
I'm monogamous and have no interest in being poly or dating a poly person, but I find myself having to defend ethical polyamory, and by extension, Che on these AJLT threads bcos there's so many misconceptions here and misdirected blame/anger and alot of it I think is part of Che being a new character we didn't have years to love, grow with and understand. Also cos Steve is a sweetheart and didn't deserve to be blindsided like this.
I don't necessarily like Che's character and personality, but I def have to respect their ethics, the demand for honesty, respect and their setting of boundaries.
If Che didn't care this wouldn't be an issue in any way, shape or form. This convo wouldn't have happened. Che would've just said something like, "yikessss that was close" and taken the coffee and just changed the topic.
Miranda presented herself to Che, an OPENLY ethical poly person, as a married woman who was on the market and looking and Che assumed bcos they're honest about their own relationship dynamics that Miranda was being honest as well.
What you're saying is similar to saying that someone who finds out the person they're dating is in a whole other relationship and they should be held responsible for that other person's dishonesty.
Was Che supposed to hunt down Steve and Brady and introduce themselves as Miranda's partner and question Steve? I've seen some comments like this blaming Che for not doing due dilligence and checking w Steve and asking about his marriage with Miranda.
Che wouldn't EVER do that bcos that disrespects boundaries. (also it's kinda way too early in Che + Miranda's relationship I'm sure )
In an ethical poly relationship dynamic, it would be up to Miranda AND Steve if they were to be introduced to Che, and when. It would also be up to Che if they were comfortable with meeting their new partner's long-term spouse, and when. Some poly people prefer it that way and others don't.
Miranda was dishonest through omission and Miranda KNOWS that. It was purposeful.
Che realises that and that rightfully angers them.
Miranda said she is married and has a son, alot of people in open marriages do.
She knew Che was poly and non-monogamous and she (much like many ppl tbh) took that as Che being down to cheat and sneak around. She was wrong.
Like listen to her response even when Che confronts her "he(Steve) doesnt know about me??" She tries to justify it instead of saying something along the lines of "...I thought you were okay with that??"
While that would be messed up, it would show that Miranda GENUINELY doesn't understand what being poly is about. I'm sure that convo would've gone the same way but Che would've set her straight about their relationship expectations and what being poly actually is.
Che even goes on to say says, "I'm NOT a cheater, I DON'T sneak around. I'm not a homewrecker".
Miranda: *my home is already wrecked.*
Che DOES care, it's Miranda who doesn't care (about her marriage, about honesty and about respecting Che's boundaries) and instead of just admitting that she was wrong and she's okay with just lying, cheating and sneaking around and disrespecting people she CLAIMS to love, she decided to double down and try to make Che not care and be okay with the selfish mess she knowingly dragged them into, thus challenging their ethical polyamory, their boundaries and their respect for relationships and themself.
Miranda is disrespecting both Steve AND Che. BOTH Steve AND Che are the victims here bcos of Miranda's lies and selfishness.
She's USING Che and Che is obvi disgusted by it. That's why Che walked away. And it's so telling that Miranda is surprised at Che's willingness to dump her after blatantly disrespecting her cos imo shes used to just stomping all over Steve and getting her way, never having to apolgize.
She's used to ppl not arguing w her or just conceding and moving on.
Even when Charlotte said, "it's AN AFFAIR! !"
Miranda could've said "Che is fine with open relationships, they're Poly" and to that Charlotte or even Carrie (who knows Che) coudlve softly said, "but you're not/you and Steve aren't".
She just got angry and stomped away.
Carrie decided to stay out of it, but Charlotte held her accountable.
She KNEW she was wrong and she didnt have a comeback.
Che NEVER would have gotten involved with Miranda if they knew she was in a closed monogamous marriage, something she agreed to with her spouse.
She likes Miranda A TON but Che refuses to do this bcos 1) it's disrespectful to Che
2) it goes against everything they stand for ie their ethics regarding transparency, honesty and respecting your partners
3) it's disrespectful to Steve and jeapordizes her family potentially hurting their teen son.
And imo ppl need to stop treating Che like just cos they're poly they don't respect relationships and respect boundaries bcos Che doesn't even KNOW Steve and Brady and by walking away they are respecting them way more than Miranda has been for the last 3 weeks.
I hope in the upcoming episodes they delve deeper into this bcos Che is NOT in the wrong here and I hope there isn't any confrontation between Steve and Che or any of Miranda's friends bcos Miranda is the one who misrepresented herself.
Also in no way was Che saying Miranda should leave Steve and break up their marriage for them. Che said "sort your life out" and then Miranda makes the rash decision to leave her husband for various reasons, but also hoping this now meana she can be with Che. Then she calls Che and says "I told him". If Che does continue to be w Miranda in the future, judging from the preview it'll prob only be a physical thing cos that's what Miranda has relegated herself to cos she very blatantly showed Che that she isn't fit to be a good serious partner bcos she's fine w lying and hurting people she's supposed to care about.
I loved Miranda in SATC bcos she had a good heart even though she was v flawed and I'm still rooting for her, but it's evident Miranda's values have changed v much and it saddens me bcos she's really self destructive now. I hope she gets better and finds herself at the end of this series.
Sorry this is so long.
Смешно, что она сама скрывает брак.
And Just Like That, I love Che. ❤❤
Che annoys me so much!
Sad how they wedge us into this show.
Just my crazy opinion, but I think Che' originally had a crush on Carrie.
Why she gotta do the Mohawk tho .. so 🙄
I think the problem is Miranda's eyebrows... Whose idea? It's a grotesque. That's AJLT's genre.
This show is cringe but my guilty pleasure
tierd of LGBT things(((((((((((((((((((
Oh ffs what have they done to SITC