Just saw this woman’s “complaints” on another YT channel. These complaints warranted, and the company is absolutely baiting and switching on their guests on several occasions. This is not a company, this is a cult.
I think she was duped by management who shouldn't have started selling rooms until they had a viable product. In my opinion she has every right to complain!!
I’m still not understanding why anybody would fork over their life savings, sell their homes and businesses and possessions, for a company that has no track record. I think this woman has every right to complain. Something is fishy here.
I would be upset if I spent that much and had this much of a delay and the ship still isn't ready. The fact they're saying hotels are no longer covered is a big red flag. This company must be hemorrhaging money.
A bad one. Here’s a tip that it seems people that are booked on that cruise don’t understand. Don’t trust your life and health to demonstrably incompetent people. Several months delay on her departure? Just how many warning signs do you need to figure out that trusting that management to get you around the ocean safely is a pretty bad idea?
The Villa Vie sounds like a scam and unprofessionally run. And why do they require a NDA unless they knew there were going to be problems and don't want customers complaining about it. Everything smells fishy here! All those passengers should file a class action against that cruise-line instead of ratting out others who are voicing their opinions on what is happening.
The contract says people have to sue individually, no class actions. Obviously that makes it very expensive because lawyers don't want to take the case on a % basis rather than charging hourly fees because they can't make enough based on just what 1 person has paid
Right, you'd think cruise ships, particularly some of the most expensive cabins on said ship would actively look to torpedo any NDA's since it'd limit the free advertising that'd come with people discussing and promoting their product (assuming it's good).
It sounds as if this customer’s complaints are legitimate. If what she says to other people in a private conversation is TRUE the cruise ship has no business cancelling her reservation!
Poor lady. NDA sounds fishy. The whole whats app group would be in violation if the breaking of nda was valid Anyone who is supposed to be on that ship is spending so much money waiting for it to leave, even if housing is covered, is food, extra insurance, etc? Hopefully she gets her money back and then it would probably be a good thing she isn't going to have to live with the traitors that ratted her complaining out. I hope she can sue. That company is a mess
I have to ask the owners what they were thinking when they canceled with this lady. They took a private complaint on a whatsapp group to a very public complaint that all the world can see. Was it worth it, Villa Vie?
What it does sound like is that an official investigation needs to take place in to the business activities of the company because it does sound extremely dodgy
I would not book anything that big unless it's reputable company, already tested ship and got very good reviews. Something is telling me her lawsuit is going to bankrupt this new company.
Thanks Don for covering this -Correction -Life at Seas owes me 30K -Villa Vie does owe me $$$ but I am not free to give numbers -That is the only thing the "NDA" covers -financial stuff. What VV claims to be a NDA is a short paragraph actually in the " Terms and Conditions" posted on the website right now -very small print -hard to find but there. There was no NDA in the paper contract signed but an agreement that you abide by the T&C on the website which has changed a few times since conception. So rather fuzzy area. I am happy to answer any questions I can, and I love your channel -been watching for a few years with Tony. And my personality could be described as "no longer a doormat".
Jenny, this is horrible, but I think you dodged a bullet. Can you imagine being one of the people in that What'sApp group that is still IN the chat? They're afraid that anything they say will be shared with the powers that be and they'll be kicked off. It will breed distrust of their fellow passengers, and that community at sea that you were hoping now has people guarding their words
@@lindasm8773 I do not understand what you are saying. What part is an oral one? Yes US contract with US based company, although since the time of signing company has moved to Marshall Islands so I do not know how that impacts this. If you are an attorney I would love to chat privately.
@@lindasm8773 Thanks for the comment and I am wondering the same thing. I am hoping the NDA will be published tomorrow if allowed, it is very brief and only seems to specify that we can not discuss money. I am still looking for a lawyer, might have to be in Delaware though. I need a lawyer to tell me where I need a lawyer?
This is a scam. Full stop. A 30 year old ship with no maintenance logs or schematics. These folks were promised 15 years. That makes it a 45 year old ship. It hasn't passed sea trials around a port, and delay after delay. No updates have been done. And someone explain to me how the couple that purchased 3 cabins and had them converted knew contractors would have access for a lengthy amount of time to complete the work. Not to mention, the gentleman involved was involved in the last scam. Folks need to run. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Well idk what’s going on with this mess. But the other couples who are doing videos drive me crazy. They are past middle age(as am I). Yet they seem so immature. On Their thumbnails they look like idiots. They re not teenagers. Grow up. I’m sure they are staying positive because it gives them incentives on the ship. And it grows their RUclips income. I just shake my head and can’t wait for it either to set sail successfully or watch them all turn their stories around and start suing 😂😂😂😂. Now don’t come at me. They choose to put their business on social media so those who watch are allowed their opinions!
It seems very strange they won't answer the questions that need to be answered and she and others have put out large sums of money and nothing is happening.
6:18 "One of those types of personalities?" Oh, you mean somebody that isn't a pushover and won't let a company keep $30,000 of their hard-earned money? One of THOSE types? Okay, carry on. 🤙
Nah. An entitled boomer- that paid on a payment plan- that complained incessantly. I wouldn’t want to be her neighbor either! I am certain she bought the smallest and least expensive room expecting the most grandiose cruising experience. Get lost!
Never buy a home that you dont own the land underneath it. The ship is registered in the Bahamas. Ships operate under admiralty law so suing them woukd require them to travel to the Bahamas. Nassau is full of admiralty lawyers. They handle mostly cruise ship injuries.
My prediction: Within the next month or so they'll announce bankruptcy and blame the media, the regulators and Jenny for all treating them harshly and conspiring against them. A good chunk of the owners will believe them and buy into the next project
Her comments were in a private chat group. She didn't break her NDA. I think she's entitled to a massive lawsuit which is the last thing Villa Vie needs.
That ship will break down at sea too if it ever leave port We're not finished hearing about it. How come rich people who are knowledgable got involved in this. I wouldn't set a foot on board that old scrap. She is wright but as in any fishy situation get rid of the whistle blower in order to scare off the others. That works only for a while....
I'm not a complainer, and I can't stand people who are always complaining. In this case, I feel the complaints are legit! Six months later, the ship is not sailing? After everyone sold their residences and more? I'd be complaining and demanding answers also.
This is only one side it would be interesting to see the full conversations. But, with a ship that still has not sailed I would have a hard time paying for a cruise that has not history of sailing.
I dont know how to feel about this. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This guy already failed with life at Sea and now people are throwing money at him again “because this time he has a ship” of course he has a ship, he never gave those first people back their money. But having a ship and sailing a ship are not the same thing.
Especially a 30-year-old ship that had been laid up for many years. Established cruising companies would have already sent those rust buckets to the wrecking yard a long time ago. Passengers were told they could live aboard Villa Sea for 15 years! On a 45-year-old ship? I guess it's true a sucker is born every minute.
She wasn't the only one that they did that too. I heard that the other person has already received her money back. But I also heard that the one that hasn't is because she is threatening to sue.
Hi, this is Jenny, let me clarify, 2 women including myself were terminated, I purchased "segments" on a pay as you go plan so I do not have that much invested, they did refund me apx 40% - it was a CC payment I could have disputed to get it back anyway. NO refund on my bank wire. The other woman, Bonny, purchased a cabin, eeck, yep she is out a "boatload" with no refunds at all 2 months out. Neither of us as of today has initiated a lawsuit but we would love to get legal advice from a Maritime atty asap. Hope that helps.
“Type of personality “. ??? it seems to me she had been bamboozled. She’s a victim! Hopefully, if she doesn’t get her money back she will complain from the treetops.
I would get out now. If things are this bad now, imagine what problems could occur during the sailing. The sailing could be interrupted several times for whatever reason. Forget it.
In general, not only about this specific situation,Don.. but in general, there is no such thing as free speech anymore. Your speech has to be in line for the most part with everyone, their beliefs and what their thoughts are and if it’s not, it’s either hate speech or not acceptable, even if it’s not hate speech and even if in most situations, it would be acceptable that if someone wants to find a reason to shut you up they will, and for the most part can easily do so by saying they are offended just my opinion
I kinda think anyone who gave them their money are fools. These projects of putting together a residence cruise haven’t been very successful. It amazes me that someone would sell their whole life for that without them even having a ship that can sail.
There are at least 2 couples on RUclips who have been defending the company. I wonder what kind of benefits or threats they have received from the company. I would Not😢buy into a 35 year old ship to cross the oceans
The Relentlessly Positive Couple were upgraded by the company from the windowless inside cabin they had purchased on the lowest floor to a window cabin a bit higher up when their vlog became popular and they exclusively said positive things about the company and glossed over/didn't give true answers in replies to people's comments. For quite awhile they have been deleting any comments with negative facts about the company (they didn't delete negative speculation without any facts). They have loosened up since they returned to the US and weren't having their accommodation paid for anymore and now sometimes leave the facts others post. They also have a link on their vlog for you to buy a segment (ka-ching!). The other couple are Positive But Occasionally Express Some Doubts. They were more honest and balanced and they haven't gotten upgrades nor sold segments and they didn't delete negative facts UNTIL the night of the day when the media reports came out about the kicked off passengers. That night/early the next morning they did a HUGE house cleaning for the first time and deleted a ton of comments to where each comment no longer had a long chain of others' comments, all that was left was 1 Reply and that Reply was exclusively from them. I don't know, but it somewhat appeared as if they might have gotten into trouble.
What is the question? She signed a contract. If they aren’t kicking her off because she belongs to a “protected class“, they can kick off anybody they want to. She can pursue any remedies in court. If the company had any sense, they’d give her a full refund and send her on her way. What she had to do, sell etc. To go on the cruise does not matter at all. It’s merely sympathy harvesting. Except for them, trying to keep a deposit or any of your money, why would you want to go on a cruise that has already told you they don’t want you? Now, every single little thing that happens on board, she’ll likely blame on them, singling her out and doing it to just her. Of course it’s ridiculous that the cruise has been delayed several months. Rational adults would’ve demanded their money back and gotten on with their life sometime ago.
I was not there so,I have no idea in what tone or manner the complaint was given. It is a she said they said, she took the risk of booking an unknown start date and unknown company cruise has to take some blame. I would have been pulling out long before this happened.
An unknown start date? The company said they were launching May 15 and told everyone to come to Southampton (when the ship was soooo far from being ready). Then they told everyone it was going to launch May 30 instead from Belfast, everyone come (when the ship at that point was even further from being ready).
If her comments broke the nondisclosure agreement, shouldn't all comments, even good ones, be considered in the same nondisclosure agreement? I'm not a lawyer, just asking.
Hopefully there is an attorney out there that will take this on a contingency! They could also be set up for a class action lawsuit….. are they not in breech of contract? They sold a trip without a safe ship..
@@JennyatSeagood luck to you Jenny! I hope you and Bonnie get your money and belongings back. It’s a shame you didn’t get what you signed up for and even worse they are withholding your money and things.
First, does she have insurance? I am very sorry these people basically have nowhere to live, and the residence you paid for is still not ready. I would complain too!
Nothing to do about today's topic.When I 1st watched 1 of your videos you spoke of someone who got really upset when a person drove their car onto their front yard , didn't matter the person was having a heart attack, a health issue. Your take on it was humorous & it started me watching you. You know which tape that was ? Would love to hear, see it again.
From what I've read, it wasn't asking questions. It was a constant stream of complaints about the cruise line. Also, it wasn't strictly other cruise members. Allegedly, there were people who were not on the cruise who were included.
A Founder (resident who also invested $ in the company) actually posted that it was residents on the WhatsApp that reported her to them. So residents ratting on other residents. Great atmosphere.
HI, this is Jenny and I can answer that for you. Yes, over the 3 months I was waiting actually in Belfast or Europe in general to stay close, We ALL voiced many "complaints" or concerns, questions or opinions . My posts were strictly contained to a private resident only WhatsApp chat or many months ago we used to post in "Circle" which is a company run app, it had been a long time since I personally posted in that app. I never posted in any public forum and you had to be vetted as a paid resident to join either of those 2 chats. Hope that helps.
The story of this ship was all over the British media a few weeks ago. The stories focused on one American woman who had been staying in Belfast for months after relocating there with her cat. Residents were allowed on board and could enjoy the facilities and participate in activities during the day but weren't allowed to sleep on board until the ship had been signed off as seaworthy. When asked if she would complain or claim compensation, the woman pointed out that many of the residents were shareholders in the company so there seemed little point. She explained that a delay of a few months seemed a price worth paying because the residents' contracts allowed them to live on board for the remaining life of the ship which they anticipated to be about 15 years. I did wonder how typical she was of the people who'd handed over significant amounts of money after selling their property at home.
Not very typical as she's one of the Founders (residents who also invested $ and own shares in the company) and she said she would have gone on The World but she has a cat. The World requires you to have a minimum of $10million in assets before they would consider you becoming a resident. I was surprised at those early stories started by the BBC who only interviewed people with strong biases in favor of the company which is fine except the BBC didn't bother to mention how those interviewees were incentivized by the company and/or cruise.
We can understand the frustration of that passenger. But if you sign a NDA, that's legally binding. Hopefully she gets her 30K back and can find a cruise that she likes.
There has been a rotating series of reasons and back in July they were always told as soon as "x" was resolved they could move in tomorrow, move in in 2 days, etc so several times they lost their land accommodations because they cancelled because they were supposed to stay on the ship. First it was "the insurance isn't in place yet" then it was but "there's a 2 day notice period with the insurance before you can move in" then there "was an issue with the fire doors" and that was delayed in getting fixed but when it was fixed it became "we have to have Bahamian flag signoff first " (the ship is registered in the Bahamas), then and continuing to today it's that "the ship has to be certified first ". Quite clear the company can't manage a project plan and doesn't know what the requirements are so they ping pong from 1 thing to the next.
@@michellejessey8654 my point is this, if every member of the app group also signed nda’s, discussed everything in that group and only she was kicked out, then their actions are questionable at best, retaliatory at worst. But I’m no lawyer either so what do I know, not much.
They need to just cancel the whole thing and start the booking again and just get another start date and give discounts to people how were booked on the original sailing then they can choose if they still want to go on it or not
Is it true that that other residence cruise ship that went bankrupt is the same people different company name that’s is responsible for Villa Vie Odyssey?
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Just saw this woman’s “complaints” on another YT channel. These complaints warranted, and the company is absolutely baiting and switching on their guests on several occasions. This is not a company, this is a cult.
I think she was duped by management who shouldn't have started selling rooms until they had a viable product. In my opinion she has every right to complain!!
I’m still not understanding why anybody would fork over their life savings, sell their homes and businesses and possessions, for a company that has no track record. I think this woman has every right to complain. Something is fishy here.
Heads up that "that other bankrupt residential ship" is the CEO of villa vie.
I would be upset if I spent that much and had this much of a delay and the ship still isn't ready. The fact they're saying hotels are no longer covered is a big red flag. This company must be hemorrhaging money.
Agreed!!
That ship is never going to sail and those passengers are all screwed.
I wouldnt trust that company for cruising at all.
It’s ridiculous, 4 months late and they are cancelling someone who is understandably complaining, what kind of company does that
Mike Petterson's company does that.
A bad one. Here’s a tip that it seems people that are booked on that cruise don’t understand. Don’t trust your life and health to demonstrably incompetent people. Several months delay on her departure? Just how many warning signs do you need to figure out that trusting that management to get you around the ocean safely is a pretty bad idea?
I truly don't blame her for complaining. I would!!
@@bonniescutt3648 is it complaining or speaking the Trut?!
So, it FINALLY sails and no more problems for 3 years, right?? Holy moly, the nightmare has only begun!!
Not sailed yet
@@michellejessey8654 understand that, I was fast-forwarding as the focus is on a sail date. That’s the least of their worries IMO
I’d be pretty upset if I had this cruise booked.
The Villa Vie sounds like a scam and unprofessionally run. And why do they require a NDA unless they knew there were going to be problems and don't want customers complaining about it. Everything smells fishy here! All those passengers should file a class action against that cruise-line instead of ratting out others who are voicing their opinions on what is happening.
Good summary!
Absolutely correct, has been mismanaged from the very start, selling the cruise, without even having a ship🧐 proper shit show
The contract says people have to sue individually, no class actions. Obviously that makes it very expensive because lawyers don't want to take the case on a % basis rather than charging hourly fees because they can't make enough based on just what 1 person has paid
Right, you'd think cruise ships, particularly some of the most expensive cabins on said ship would actively look to torpedo any NDA's since it'd limit the free advertising that'd come with people discussing and promoting their product (assuming it's good).
@@RetiredZGrtIs that even legal? Something tells me the courts will tear that clause to shreds.
When they sell the cruise first and hope to have a ship second, that's a big red flag.
I can see how frustrated these people would be.
I think she should take this to local and national news outlets, it'll be good publicity for them.
Everyone already knows
It’s been all over the news in the uk and in their daily papers.
It sounds as if this customer’s complaints are legitimate. If what she says to other people in a private conversation is TRUE the cruise ship has no business cancelling her reservation!
Poor lady. NDA sounds fishy. The whole whats app group would be in violation if the breaking of nda was valid Anyone who is supposed to be on that ship is spending so much money waiting for it to leave, even if housing is covered, is food, extra insurance, etc? Hopefully she gets her money back and then it would probably be a good thing she isn't going to have to live with the traitors that ratted her complaining out. I hope she can sue. That company is a mess
I don't like complaining, but this was justified. It should not cost her her money.
Sniff sniff i smell law suit coming
I was just going to make the same comment!
I have to ask the owners what they were thinking when they canceled with this lady. They took a private complaint on a whatsapp group to a very public complaint that all the world can see. Was it worth it, Villa Vie?
Asking people to pay for a cruise that's not happening, sounds fraudulent. Taking this lady to court may be a can of worms they don't want to open.
@@Columbus1152 they dont care
I believe she has a right to complain and be very upset with how things for that cruise is being ran and all the delays.
RUN DON'T WALK AWAY FROM THAT CRUISE. READ THE ROOM PEOPLE. THIS WOULD NOT BE A SAFE CRUISE.
@@007who no running no refunds
@@michellejessey8654 it’s called a law suit. They have broken the contract
What it does sound like is that an official investigation needs to take place in to the business activities of the company because it does sound extremely dodgy
@@randa200771 absolutely. Smells like racketeering to me
Definitely worth seeing how much of the customers' money has been syphoned off into accounts that have nothing to do with getting the ship operational
@@Yeahnah66 yes absolutely. I bet there is a new mansion and a Mercedes or two
Villa Vie hoodwinked a lot of people.
I would not book anything that big unless it's reputable company, already tested ship and got very good reviews. Something is telling me her lawsuit is going to bankrupt this new company.
Let’s address the elephant in the room. What do all these people don’t see. Make it make sense. The whole operation is one big scam.
Sounds like management violated the NDA.
This Villa whatever ship sounds like a floating dictator type of floating existence
my thoughts too. I wrote that previously in another forum. Mike is the dictator, and Villa Vie Residences is a dictatorship. Period.
Very simple..If they don't want her to complain, give her refund back immediately
never book without a ship that is up and running
Thanks Don for covering this -Correction -Life at Seas owes me 30K -Villa Vie does owe me $$$ but I am not free to give numbers -That is the only thing the "NDA" covers -financial stuff. What VV claims to be a NDA is a short paragraph actually in the " Terms and Conditions" posted on the website right now -very small print -hard to find but there. There was no NDA in the paper contract signed but an agreement that you abide by the T&C on the website which has changed a few times since conception. So rather fuzzy area. I am happy to answer any questions I can, and I love your channel -been watching for a few years with Tony. And my personality could be described as "no longer a doormat".
Jenny, this is horrible, but I think you dodged a bullet.
Can you imagine being one of the people in that What'sApp group that is still IN the chat? They're afraid that anything they say will be shared with the powers that be and they'll be kicked off. It will breed distrust of their fellow passengers, and that community at sea that you were hoping now has people guarding their words
@@suzannadannaTARDIS agree!
@@lindasm8773 I do not understand what you are saying. What part is an oral one? Yes US contract with US based company, although since the time of signing company has moved to Marshall Islands so I do not know how that impacts this. If you are an attorney I would love to chat privately.
@@lindasm8773 Thanks for the comment and I am wondering the same thing. I am hoping the NDA will be published tomorrow if allowed, it is very brief and only seems to specify that we can not discuss money. I am still looking for a lawyer, might have to be in Delaware though. I need a lawyer to tell me where I need a lawyer?
Just waiting for the cancelation announcement
This is a scam. Full stop. A 30 year old ship with no maintenance logs or schematics. These folks were promised 15 years. That makes it a 45 year old ship. It hasn't passed sea trials around a port, and delay after delay. No updates have been done. And someone explain to me how the couple that purchased 3 cabins and had them converted knew contractors would have access for a lengthy amount of time to complete the work. Not to mention, the gentleman involved was involved in the last scam. Folks need to run. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Well idk what’s going on with this mess. But the other couples who are doing videos drive me crazy. They are past middle age(as am I). Yet they seem so immature. On Their thumbnails they look like idiots. They re not teenagers. Grow up. I’m sure they are staying positive because it gives them incentives on the ship. And it grows their RUclips income. I just shake my head and can’t wait for it either to set sail successfully or watch them all turn their stories around and start suing 😂😂😂😂. Now don’t come at me. They choose to put their business on social media so those who watch are allowed their opinions!
Thanks for saying what I was thinking. Hand signs, thug life, wide open mouths and Guinness.
Two ladies have been kicked off the vessel, due to CEO.
It seems very strange they won't answer the questions that need to be answered and she and others have put out large sums of money and nothing is happening.
6:18 "One of those types of personalities?" Oh, you mean somebody that isn't a pushover and won't let a company keep $30,000 of their hard-earned money? One of THOSE types? Okay, carry on. 🤙
I think he means she has the "grit" it takes to tackle such a headache.
@@EKA201-j7f I dunno.... to me it seemed more like he was covertly calling her a "Karen," (for lack of a better term), lol.
@@EKA201-j7f thank you, and yes
Nah. An entitled boomer- that paid on a payment plan- that complained incessantly. I wouldn’t want to be her neighbor either! I am certain she bought the smallest and least expensive room expecting the most grandiose cruising experience. Get lost!
I would be mad and give me my money back im done.
Never buy a home that you dont own the land underneath it. The ship is registered in the Bahamas. Ships operate under admiralty law so suing them woukd require them to travel to the Bahamas. Nassau is full of admiralty lawyers. They handle mostly cruise ship injuries.
My prediction: Within the next month or so they'll announce bankruptcy and blame the media, the regulators and Jenny for all treating them harshly and conspiring against them. A good chunk of the owners will believe them and buy into the next project
Omg i hope there is jail time and not another project
It has been reported that it was other residents who complained about her.
Her comments were in a private chat group. She didn't break her NDA. I think she's entitled to a massive lawsuit which is the last thing Villa Vie needs.
The Villa Vie sounds like a non starter for me. The women’s story sounds like being called to the Principal’s office
That ship will break down at sea too if it ever leave port We're not finished hearing about it. How come rich people who are knowledgable got involved in this. I wouldn't set a foot on board that old scrap. She is wright but as in any fishy situation get rid of the whistle blower in order to scare off the others. That works only for a while....
If She got Her Money back Great , If not Raise H%^^ ...
I'm not a complainer, and I can't stand people who are always complaining. In this case, I feel the complaints are legit! Six months later, the ship is not sailing? After everyone sold their residences and more? I'd be complaining and demanding answers also.
That is something that can happen in this world of cruises. Thanks again Don
This is only one side it would be interesting to see the full conversations. But, with a ship that still has not sailed I would have a hard time paying for a cruise that has not history of sailing.
Fingers crossed, it should sail on Monday. It has passed all the tests and sea trials.
Gosh this ship & idea of living aboard seems plagued with nothing but problems. I'd be upset too!
Wow...I would be mad
She has a right to be upset. I wonder what she really said that made them make that decision.
Oh, the irony of this guy making a video about COMPLAINING !!!
What a joke! This whole thing!
a company would be crazy not to refund her money and should also pay interest on it.
I dont know how to feel about this. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. This guy already failed with life at Sea and now people are throwing money at him again “because this time he has a ship” of course he has a ship, he never gave those first people back their money. But having a ship and sailing a ship are not the same thing.
Especially a 30-year-old ship that had been laid up for many years. Established cruising companies would have already sent those rust buckets to the wrecking yard a long time ago. Passengers were told they could live aboard Villa Sea for 15 years! On a 45-year-old ship? I guess it's true a sucker is born every minute.
Unfortunately
Is this an established cruise line? If not I would😮not have booked that cruise.
The founders are some of the same people who bankrupted a similar scheme (Life at Sea) just last year!
I don't blame her. Id be really pissed too!
A first glance at the title I thought the cruise line kicked Don off the ship because of his constant complaining on his videos.
What a mess. I wish everyone the best of luch.
Whats app is not social media . I wonder if there was an imposter in the WhatsApp group when complaints come up to report it.
As the old adage goes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I really hope the passengers can recover their investment.
It looks like they see the end of the money, then they go bancrupt so there will be no money fight for in court. Looks like a scam to me.
She wasn't the only one that they did that too. I heard that the other person has already received her money back. But I also heard that the one that hasn't is because she is threatening to sue.
Hi, this is Jenny, let me clarify, 2 women including myself were terminated, I purchased "segments" on a pay as you go plan so I do not have that much invested, they did refund me apx 40% - it was a CC payment I could have disputed to get it back anyway. NO refund on my bank wire. The other woman, Bonny, purchased a cabin, eeck, yep she is out a "boatload" with no refunds at all 2 months out. Neither of us as of today has initiated a lawsuit but we would love to get legal advice from a Maritime atty asap. Hope that helps.
I can’t believe they signed an NDA?? Red flag, to me!!!
I wonder if the ship will pass its sea trials this time. And a Non-Disclosure Agreement? On a deal like this? Setting up for a loss? Whoo-oo! Boy!
Upsetting situation
Lawsuit time.
“Type of personality “. ??? it seems to me she had been bamboozled. She’s a victim! Hopefully, if she doesn’t get her money back she will complain from the treetops.
I am in the trees now !, jenny
I would probably not enter into a cruise contract with any company that's not already sailing. Sounds fishy to me!
With the ship not passing and ready to sail might be a good reason to complain
I would get out now. If things are this bad now, imagine what problems could occur during the sailing. The sailing could be interrupted several times for whatever reason. Forget it.
Read the fine print! People wonder why this person got kicked off!
I can't help but think there is a lot more to this story all around than what's been publicized so far... 🤔
In general, not only about this specific situation,Don.. but in general, there is no such thing as free speech anymore. Your speech has to be in line for the most part with everyone, their beliefs and what their thoughts are and if it’s not, it’s either hate speech or not acceptable, even if it’s not hate speech and even if in most situations, it would be acceptable that if someone wants to find a reason to shut you up they will, and for the most part can easily do so by saying they are offended just my opinion
I kinda think anyone who gave them their money are fools. These projects of putting together a residence cruise haven’t been very successful. It amazes me that someone would sell their whole life for that without them even having a ship that can sail.
I don't blame her!
Sounds like a big scam to me. You say you're going to sail and then don't. That's outright fraud.
There are at least 2 couples on RUclips who have been defending the company. I wonder what kind of benefits or threats they have received from the company. I would Not😢buy into a 35 year old ship to cross the oceans
The Relentlessly Positive Couple were upgraded by the company from the windowless inside cabin they had purchased on the lowest floor to a window cabin a bit higher up when their vlog became popular and they exclusively said positive things about the company and glossed over/didn't give true answers in replies to people's comments. For quite awhile they have been deleting any comments with negative facts about the company (they didn't delete negative speculation without any facts). They have loosened up since they returned to the US and weren't having their accommodation paid for anymore and now sometimes leave the facts others post. They also have a link on their vlog for you to buy a segment (ka-ching!). The other couple are Positive But Occasionally Express Some Doubts. They were more honest and balanced and they haven't gotten upgrades nor sold segments and they didn't delete negative facts UNTIL the night of the day when the media reports came out about the kicked off passengers. That night/early the next morning they did a HUGE house cleaning for the first time and deleted a ton of comments to where each comment no longer had a long chain of others' comments, all that was left was 1 Reply and that Reply was exclusively from them. I don't know, but it somewhat appeared as if they might have gotten into trouble.
What is the question? She signed a contract. If they aren’t kicking her off because she belongs to a “protected class“, they can kick off anybody they want to. She can pursue any remedies in court. If the company had any sense, they’d give her a full refund and send her on her way. What she had to do, sell etc. To go on the cruise does not matter at all. It’s merely sympathy harvesting. Except for them, trying to keep a deposit or any of your money, why would you want to go on a cruise that has already told you they don’t want you? Now, every single little thing that happens on board, she’ll likely blame on them, singling her out and doing it to just her. Of course it’s ridiculous that the cruise has been delayed several months. Rational adults would’ve demanded their money back and gotten on with their life sometime ago.
Wait, they have not actually provided a service. I think they are ripping her off!
I was not there so,I have no idea in what tone or manner the complaint was given. It is a she said they said, she took the risk of booking an unknown start date and unknown company cruise has to take some blame. I would have been pulling out long before this happened.
An unknown start date? The company said they were launching May 15 and told everyone to come to Southampton (when the ship was soooo far from being ready). Then they told everyone it was going to launch May 30 instead from Belfast, everyone come (when the ship at that point was even further from being ready).
If her comments broke the nondisclosure agreement, shouldn't all comments, even good ones, be considered in the same nondisclosure agreement? I'm not a lawyer, just asking.
Hopefully there is an attorney out there that will take this on a contingency! They could also be set up for a class action lawsuit….. are they not in breech of contract? They sold a trip without a safe ship..
Thank you, looking for one now
@@JennyatSeagood luck to you Jenny! I hope you and Bonnie get your money and belongings back. It’s a shame you didn’t get what you signed up for and even worse they are withholding your money and things.
Sounds like that cruise is not going to happen. Stick with the reputable cruise lines.
I can’t even imagine…. I would be upset after spending that amount of money with nothing to show for it..and multiple delays.
I would never consider one of these type of deals. They just seem too sketchy.
First, does she have insurance? I am very sorry these people basically have nowhere to live, and the residence you paid for is still not ready. I would complain too!
Nothing to do about today's topic.When I 1st watched 1 of your videos you spoke of someone who got really upset when a person drove their car onto their front yard , didn't matter the person was having a heart attack, a health issue. Your take on it was humorous & it started me watching you. You know which tape that was ? Would love to hear, see it again.
I'd be upset if I sold my house to go on a 3.5 year cruise as well. I would be carful when complaining though!
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From what I've read, it wasn't asking questions. It was a constant stream of complaints about the cruise line. Also, it wasn't strictly other cruise members. Allegedly, there were people who were not on the cruise who were included.
A Founder (resident who also invested $ in the company) actually posted that it was residents on the WhatsApp that reported her to them. So residents ratting on other residents. Great atmosphere.
HI, this is Jenny and I can answer that for you. Yes, over the 3 months I was waiting actually in Belfast or Europe in general to stay close, We ALL voiced many "complaints" or concerns, questions or opinions . My posts were strictly contained to a private resident only WhatsApp chat or many months ago we used to post in "Circle" which is a company run app, it had been a long time since I personally posted in that app. I never posted in any public forum and you had to be vetted as a paid resident to join either of those 2 chats. Hope that helps.
The story of this ship was all over the British media a few weeks ago. The stories focused on one American woman who had been staying in Belfast for months after relocating there with her cat. Residents were allowed on board and could enjoy the facilities and participate in activities during the day but weren't allowed to sleep on board until the ship had been signed off as seaworthy. When asked if she would complain or claim compensation, the woman pointed out that many of the residents were shareholders in the company so there seemed little point. She explained that a delay of a few months seemed a price worth paying because the residents' contracts allowed them to live on board for the remaining life of the ship which they anticipated to be about 15 years. I did wonder how typical she was of the people who'd handed over significant amounts of money after selling their property at home.
Not very typical as she's one of the Founders (residents who also invested $ and own shares in the company) and she said she would have gone on The World but she has a cat. The World requires you to have a minimum of $10million in assets before they would consider you becoming a resident. I was surprised at those early stories started by the BBC who only interviewed people with strong biases in favor of the company which is fine except the BBC didn't bother to mention how those interviewees were incentivized by the company and/or cruise.
I am curious to read that non-disclosure. Very strange situation.
Its only if negative. If positive they let u say whatever
Will be published and commented on by attorneys
We can understand the frustration of that passenger. But if you sign a NDA, that's legally binding. Hopefully she gets her 30K back and can find a cruise that she likes.
Why can they not stay aboard the Villa Vie instead of staying in hotels?
There has been a rotating series of reasons and back in July they were always told as soon as "x" was resolved they could move in tomorrow, move in in 2 days, etc so several times they lost their land accommodations because they cancelled because they were supposed to stay on the ship. First it was "the insurance isn't in place yet" then it was but "there's a 2 day notice period with the insurance before you can move in" then there "was an issue with the fire doors" and that was delayed in getting fixed but when it was fixed it became "we have to have Bahamian flag signoff first " (the ship is registered in the Bahamas), then and continuing to today it's that "the ship has to be certified first ". Quite clear the company can't manage a project plan and doesn't know what the requirements are so they ping pong from 1 thing to the next.
Need insurance after all inspections are signed off on
They will lose a lawsuit unless they also kick out every member in her WhatsApp group too.
@@OkieDokie680 they are daring her to sue
@@michellejessey8654 my point is this, if every member of the app group also signed nda’s, discussed everything in that group and only she was kicked out, then their actions are questionable at best, retaliatory at worst. But I’m no lawyer either so what do I know, not much.
They need to just cancel the whole thing and start the booking again and just get another start date and give discounts to people how were booked on the original sailing then they can choose if they still want to go on it or not
Is it true that that other residence cruise ship that went bankrupt is the same people different company name that’s is responsible for Villa Vie Odyssey?
Yes
@@charlenerhodus5784 oh wow!
I would be 🤬🤬🤬🤬