Nintendo’s Lawsuit Against Palworld IS SO FOUL 😭 | HexJuice React
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To the person in the live chat stating that Game Freak get to be lazy, after nine whole generations of Pokémon games, no. No, they do not. If they set a standard, said standard should be maintained and the product should be improved to be the best thing it can be. Not blindly, stupidly lean on brand recognition, fan loyalty and the lack of competition. The formula of the games has hardly changed and the games themselves have only become worse, especially since Pokémon made its way from the Nintendo 3DS to the Switch. They are literally at a point where they could shove actual fecal matter in a Switch game case, slap "Pokémon" on the cover and sell it. And the saddest part is that fans will actually, unironically buy it and praise it like it's the second coming of Christ.
For all intents and purposes, as highly unlikely as it may be, I hope Nintendo loses the case here. Lest this sets a very dangerous precedent for game development overall...
As a pokemon fan from between the red and blue days to the black and white 2 days, I have to agree with you.
The rate Nintendo pumps out a new Pokemon game every year is insufferable (which is why I haven't even bought a 3ds nor a switch. The last modern Nintendo console I have is a Wii for reference.
Pumping out actual bug ridden, same slop all the time is ridiculous and then to charge a $80 price tag on them is absolutely insane.
Within the past 2-3 years TPC has released slop after slop after slop. There is only so much slop someone is willing to take before they throw it back at the person, even more so when the slop is degrading in both quality and love put into it.
The only legitimate Pokemon game that had lots of love put into it was Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire and Legends: Arceus. A remake of a game and a off mainline game that everybody absolutely loved and adored.
@@firekirby7979 Not to mention that Nintendo, TPC and Game Freak now charge more for less content and then have the audacity to release DLC for the games when they're either very non-functional or just in a mediocre state. And on top of that, charge extra for NSO and Pokémon Home...
I personally played the games up until Ultra Sun/Moon, which... while I enjoyed UM, I'd say it's where the cracks really begin to form as it's hardly any different from Moon. And yes, games like Emerald or Platinum don't differ too much from Ruby/Sapphire or Diamond/Pearl, but the differences actually improve the experience and they're noticeable enough. They're not perfect, but yeah.
I debated a lot about whether or not to buy a Switch, with Pokémon being the main reason for it. But with everything that's been happening, my mind is more than made up. I have no interest in giving my money to Nintendo, be it for the console, these games or their subpar subscription service that all it does is paywall the online functionality of their games with barely any benefits (yes I know about the NES, SNES, N64, GBA and Genesis retro collections but those mean nothing if there's a chance the Switch's servers will be shutdown, down the road because then those games will all be gone). I barely have any interest in emulating Sword/Shield or Scarlet/Violet. Legends is a maybe. Beyond that, I'd rather support more projects like Palworld. And I hope more projects like these can become reality and thrive.
I agree I have played the games pokemon and palworld alike. Honestly I enjoy palworld as it is something that captured my interest and does update and fix its bugs. I thought that the migration to the switch would let them give pokemon a more realistic look. Yes the terrain looks that way but they load too much map and its a glitchy mess no matter what game it is. They have not properly tested their games and it is showing that they do not seem to properly care for their trademark pokemon. Palworld is something that is a surprisingly fun game. At the current point remakes make me upset as they dont hold all the content that was in the original game without DLC which now needs to be paid for. It feels like the once kind ninteno has been corrupted by greed and charges double and keeps raising the price for something I would only honestly pay 10 bucks for at this point. The best games they had made lately were the legends arceus games. I will only get the new legends game and then stop from nintendo. If this game is not up to par with how the games were in the past. I wish they would take time to learn the software they make before sending out a pokemon game. Even if they have to make a easy enough side game to fill the pokemon void. Like what they did with Conquest or even with mystery dungeon. I liked the darker themes of the older games and the difficulty that they had. Now it just feels way to easy. The only games that gave me challenge over the past few years were the ultra sun and moon and legends arceus. Though it was always only one fight in them that was hard to finish. If pokemon was confident about their brand they would welcome the competition to keep them on their toes to help improve themselves. Instead of thinking of lining their pockets like that. This lawsuit is stupid and will ruin the monster taming genere for people in the future.
I hate that person.
OMG you are so right about this it's the same thing with hoyoverse they can make a game sit on their ass for 4 years and do nothing for that game and totally sell it only because it's from hoyoverse
"Leave the billion dollar corporation alone." -average Nintendo fan
I think it's important to note that the Pokemon patents were filed *FOUR MONTHS AFTER* Palworld's release. Nintendo knew they probably couldn't sue for character design so they created something they could sue them [Pocketpair] for.
Approved not filed.
June or July (I forget) 2021 first ever trailer Palworld.
They filed on December 22 2021, so it's even worse
@@a-e1x From what I've been been reading people haven't even mentioned that. Thank you for the additional insight.
@@a-e1x There's no suing over trailer unless there was case for design of pals. If they filed that patent before they released a public version of the game, then this lawsuit can be fair game depending on how exactly these patents work.
@a-e1x aka they have no case
@@a-e1x The child patents are newer.
Nintendo went from a-holes to hypocrite a-holes in my eyes, what a record...
Nintendo meat riders are on a whole other level. Nintendo does no evil according to them. This lawsuit is absolutely petty. 10x moreso considering Nintendo didn't even include any details.
Why innovative when you can legally destroy your competition and continue to produce progressively inferior products?
Japanese individuals supporting Nintendo should realize how shameful it is of the pokemon company and Nintendo to be outperformed by a "copycat". Nintendo and the Pokemon company have had years to improve their quality but instead sat on their laurels which by this point smell like rotten eggs oozing disgusting juice staining their thrones with a acrid odor. Makes one retch with how disgusting it is to resort to lawfare over stepping up their game.
This is why I don't feel bad emulating Nintendo games
If Nintendo wins, it's really going to set a scary precedent. I mean, what's keeping them from going after something like WuWa even, we can kinda capture monsters in a cylindrical object & summon them in that game too.
WuWa isn't in that ballpark. Yes, you're right, we do capture stuff. But it's not the main main point. I put main twice because it's necessary to build the characters but the characters themselves are more important.
@@bkelso61that's not relevant. If a game mechanic is succesfully pateneted, it cannot be used in any form, even if it isn't the focus of a game, it is still taking another's intellectual property. It's like saying 'yeah that restourant stole bread, but they're not the main dish!'
@@bkelso61 Doesn't matter if it's the main point. The patent is on the mechanic. For decades, no game could have an arrow over the character's head, pointing to an objective because Sega patented that specific mechanic. This would effectively let Nintendo monopolize an entire genre if they win.
@@richardimreviragosi6413 I went to check short version and the patent is very specific.
1. You need to have an capture object
2. You need to have a character as target
3. You need to throw that capture object at that target
4. The Capture object has to hit target
5. Has to do a judgement whether or not capturing is successful
6. Successful capture makes you the owner of it
What is TRULY scummy is patenting a display of chance to capture something.
@@spugelo359 I mean, that's besides the point, really. Regardless of those specific, any game that has these mechanics would be liable, regardless of the mechanics prevalnce.
Today, i heard Nintento also patenting the Mounting mechanics.
What a scum, any games that have mount system will be targeted.
Today, you learned Nintendo patented rewards for food sleep habits and shadows in a isometric view.
Public disclosure: If the mechanic is publicly disclosed before filing a patent application, it may render the invention unpatentable. Conducting a thorough search of previous public disclosures, including foreign patents and printed publications, is crucial.
Competitor adoption: If competitors adopt the mechanic before you file for a patent, you may miss the opportunity to patent it.
Palworld could gather counter evidence to these situations that could leave the patents Nintendo filed and got approved to render them null and void cause let's be honest here there are countless games out there that adopted these mechanics prior to Nintendo filing them. And yes that can target the parent patent that was made in 2021.
P.s Satoshi Tajiri creator of pocket monster a.k.a Pokémon later on himself admitted that the concept of catching/releasing a creature by throwing an object/capsule/sphere comes from a series he enjoyed in his youth (ultraseven) a UltraMan series which used capsules to capture kaiju's and release said kaiju from said capsule to fight for Ultraseven. So even the idea was not a Pokémon original.
This is assuming that there are no internal communications by the Palworld Devs where they explicitly say they are intentionally using Pokemon elements changed just enough to not be in legal troubles.
Which you'd think is something no sapient being would be stupid enough to do, but the reason YuZu speed ran their settlement with Nintendo was because they had internal communications discussing how their new emulator versions, that were behind a paywall, were made with the explicit intention to play Zelda TotK which was unreleased at the time but had been leaked.
Not the most likely thing to happen, but it would be funny if Palworld had dug their own grave and people are wrongfully assuming it's a baseless lawsuit.
The term we use is "Nintenyearolds" for the sycophants.
I prefer the term "Nintendrones" myself...
I always considered pokemon as the worst jrpg that everyone liked. No wonder people find it morally correct to pirate Nintendo games.
As a long time Nintendo and Pokemon fan, even I agree with you! There are WAY better JRPGs out there and I'll list some of my favorite ones:
Skies of Arcadia
Final Fantasy 1-6
Paper Mario
Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door
Mario and Luigi RPG series
Octopath Traveler
Bravely Default
Digimon World Dawn/Dusk
and that's to name a few!!
@@chaudspieler damn no Suikoden? sadge
The battling system itself is unmatched but yes the stories are always very straightforward and bland. I do believe with longer dev cycles they con create much better games. Legends arceus was very fun imo and a step closer to what I wanted.
Patenting mechanics should not be a thing. Its like patenting individual ingredients in a cooking recipie.
Poke ball mechanic is like the only thing I can see
So after checking out legal mindset view of this case, I am all for removing patents, the point about Pokemon patents that were filed/approved in this year that appears in other comments, it seems that is a divisive patent, used as a litigious strategy, because basically is a child patent of their main patent, however, it takes the same "release/approve" date of the parent patent.
So you could say this is the main reason that they took their time to sue Pocket Pair, because they were waiting for patent approval, making all this case seems very "personal".
Again after hearing this... I am all for removing patents from the world, because the main reason for patent was to "incentive innovation", by protecting the inventor in the first years, but in practice, is always used to stop innovation.
Nintendo suing Palworld make me want to play Palworld😂
The Pokemon formula is a very popular one, and Nintendo just wants to monopolise it, they dont want competition because competition necessitates competitive quality and innovation, but Nintendo is lazy and their idea of innovation for a while now has been a series of increasingly nonsensical gimmicks
I honestly believe they go after anything that can one up them.
So if you see anyone supporting Nintendo, try your best to make them understand how terrifying a precedent could be set. There’s tons of other monster taker games to play as well on all the consoles. There’s no excuse to support them.
It's not nearly as bad as it sounds. Their patent is VERY specific about details of their mechanic they patented. You can either just not throw the object but still capture creatures and it's fair game. Or make the chance 100% or 0% every time. The reason why Palword is in trouble is because they blatantly copied 1:1 this game mechanic.
Unless your businesses is in Japan, you will be fine....
@@spugelo359 You could have a throwable jacuzzi that captures characters in a game using a top-down perspective and it could still fall under this patent.
@@spugelo359 Tell me you have not read the patent without telling me you have not read the patent.
It is anything but specific, its incredibly broad to catch as many things as possible.
@@spugelo359 the patent we’ve seen is a basic ass mechanic in monster tamer games my guy. Their wording about this whole things is so vague that PocketPair doesn’t even know what patent they’re apparently infringing upon.
Instead of suing pocket pair, the Pokémon company should be working with them to make an amazing different type of Pokémon game similar to power because that would give a lot of older audiences a game to enjoy or at least working with them to innovate on the Pokémon series because it is been the same game it has been since I was like five years old and I’m almost 30. I don’t think the games are solid, but there are issues with all of them and the fact that it is basically been the exact same formula consistently for over that amount of time with very little changes that stick around is just frustrating.
Don’t get attached to any new mechanics we come up with because they’ll be gone in the next generation. Every single cool idea or mechanic lasts for like one generation and then it’s gone, and some of them never come back it makes Pokémon become more of a gimmick than anything else.
And the excuse they had were oh it’s too much work for us to get done bitch you have billions of dollars higher or more employees or make more time for the games or something because if you wanted them to be better, you have the fucking resources to do it
throwing an item and capturing targets with visual feedback of 3 clicks, was one of the items patented
For all i know, Nintendo didn't sue Digimon or Yokai Watch, I think Palword walked too close to the sun and triggered this massive heat wave.
I mean come on look at the design of certain monsters, don't act it's not similar. Even if they are not sueing them for this,
It's pretty arrogant from pocketpair, the world is not made of Black and White, This case is pretty gray.
I can see the good and bad from BOTH side. ( By the way a lot of japanese are also on Nintendo side, it's more divided than you think)
Pocket pairs lawyers already went through pokemons lawyers long ago to make sure the designs were not copyright infringing. The precedent that would be set from Nintendo winning is the equivalent of only 1 resturant being allowed to use tomatoes.
With all that money, Nintendo still sucks at making a proper Pokemon game, yet an Indie company was able to oull it off 1st try. 🤣🤣🤣 Pokemon should just retire.
That's Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creature Inc that would have to give up an Empire...
Nintendo do NOT make the actual pokemon games, they publish them
It took so long because they didnt think palworld was a threat but got the patents just in case. Palworld got popular, got rich, and completely humiliated them. Nintendo doesnt want competition. Its gross.
Patents just in case. Yeah four months after the game came out.
It's opposite... They waited for them to collect money. so they could get something out of it.... There are lots of small Pokemon clones out there but Nintendo doesn't sue them cause there is no benefit...
Pokémon would trigger a lawsuit, stretch it out until Palworld runs out of money, settle for chump change knowing Palworld is dead. BEFORE hiring a larger staff to make a quality Pokémon game is a weird flex IMO.
It actually makes Pokémon look really pathetic, tbh...
Well, unfortunately for Nintendo, PocketPair is partnered with Sony and Microsoft, the latter of which has a financial investment in Palworld
It would only make Pokèmon a laughingstock.
it will be the most kramatic justice for Nintendo to loose this law suite, lose the very patent they once held, just like DC did to Nintendo when they tried to copy-strike Nintendo's donkey kong with king kong only for DC to loose that completely and now its available to the public
and if your wondering yes thats the reason why their so gun ho into law suite since that day basically traumatized them to the core
"The Pal Sphere does the 3 tick!! Lawsuit!!"
Also... I wouldn't doubt that Nintendo is in the pockets of Japanese officials and DoJ.
I have pretty bad misophonia and the way that guy overpronounces the P in "PocketPal" and "Patent" was driving me crazy(Nothing against him)
I'm really surprised that Nintendo is suing PocketPal. This is the same company, who in the 90's used to strong arm retail stores to only sale their consoles & not Sega's with threats of removing their product from said retailers.
A smart business move would be for Nintendo would be to go "Oh, you do our thing but better? Well, join us." And we've seen that so many times over the years across various things. It's so irksome to me that Nintendo are just that dumb, that petty, and that lazy to have not done that already. With any of the things they've stamped out.
I honestly think that may be their projected long game. Bleed Pocketpair out and then buy the studio when they are at rock bottom. And then bam, 100+ "new" Pokemon, region, and even gym leaders for a low cost, modeled with animations, and minimal effort. Just gotta kid it up and spruce it up with reused assets.
I agree same with rom hacks why not just make them official products
@@blackmark2899 how much you want to bet they want to own palworld as well?
@@NicholasSanchez-df7ls yeah that's what I was saying. If they can bleed Pocketpair out and then buy the studio. They have pretty much just gained an entire Pokemon region that they won't need to work very hard to spruce up and bring down to their standards.
@@blackmark2899 not to mention they could use the pals as new pokemon
If Nintendo could sue over monster catching . World of final fantasy, Digimon cyber slueth and other mon games wouldn't exist. Nintendo is just being a d.s.
Same tactics like when they Sue Punicon for $30m.
"Shironeko Project introduced what it called a “Punicon” mechanic, having players drag their finger across the screen and tapping to unleash attacks. Nintendo’s claim covers placing arbitrary coordinates on the screen and then dragging it like a joystick motion."
Nintendo adjusted the patents to specifically target Punicon to increase their chances of winning.
I hope Palpal able to win this but the odds is against them.
here's the thing: the game mechanics used in Palworld were used in Craftopia. Craftopia was released in 2020
its weird the direhowl gets compared to lycanrock but wolf in wow will never get compared to digimon garurumon which both are very similar
Is Nintendo only suing now because Palworld blew the hell up using characters "like" pokemon characters and actually made them interesting enough that Nintendo could never seem to do? Or is it because they didn't think an indie game like Palworld would basically show up a giant like Nintendo using characters similar to theirs? SMH I wonder how this precedent will affect other indie games or just other gaming companies in general going forward.
The third reason might be that now Sony is also involved and Sony has planned Palworld-based productization such as animation, toys, manga, movie and more.
@@danielmalinen6337 Palworld anime could be really fun to watch honestly
Nintendo won't win, they filed the "Trap" mechanic, after Palworld made the game.
They actually are in the legal right here. They filed it before PalWorld was released, and it was approved afterward. The patent is a "child" of their former patent Nintendo had. In which the "parent" patient was done long before PalWorld was in development. It does not matter if the patent was approved after PalWorld was released.
So yes, the Nintendo lawsuit is very much in Nintendo's favor, and it is not looking good for PocketPair.
Also, this is 100% DONE TO FK POCKETPAIR BECAUSE NINTENDO DONT HAVE THE TALENT TO CREATE A FKING BETTER POKÉMON GAME, THE LAZY FKS. This has thoroughly pissed me off.
@@ThatDawgInEmyea no. That still doesn't fly to me.
You file your patent *at exactly the same time a trailer debuts on a game* and that patent *just so happens to get approval before the game itself releases?* And you get to do this *as the game is nearing completion, when everything's been cemented as far as the core mechanics are concerned so that as soon as it releases you can pitfall them for existing?*
@@greschenglin-dz7wj Yes... correct. Nothing illegal nor seen in bad faith based on JP law. Is it absolutely crappy? Yes.
@@ThatDawgInEm Well I guess we got a lot to look forward to.
@@ThatDawgInEmI have to correct you on one thing, you are right that it is a "child" patent, also called a divisional patent, the method is meant to clarify or make things more specific.
Nintendo did the opposite and made the language more vague than it was, which is why, under the language of the patent, you can consider a net being thrown to catch a bug to be under the same patent.
I suspect and kinda imagine that Nintendo trying to take down the Palworld company ,
by trying to drag the law suit on or settle out of court ,
and then take over the company at the cheapest price , get their hand on those dev / source code .
Supposedly nintendo has so many patents that they could sue pretty much any company whenever they feel threatened. Like 1000s of patents over the randomest things such as using shadows etc. Japanese government has to be careful not to set bad precedent
Rich considering all the best games come from Japan.
Western companies make games like Suicide Squad or concord.
@@IgnorantKingRaven ? Ya I mean that's what makes it bad? If Japan shows in courts that it heavily favors one Japanese company (Nintendo) over other smaller Japanese developers, it's bad for all of us...
@@0hhoneyy Japanese indie companies are actually in favour of Nintendo..
You don't have to believe me.. it's here on RUclips... There are lots of monster catching games in Japan from different companies but Nintendo doesn't sue them.. for example Digimon, Yokai watch because their system is very different from Pokemon..
While the Palworld capture system is a blatant copy.
@@IgnorantKingRaven what I'm saying is if any of those Indie games become big enough, Nintendo has the patents to sue them. They have so many patents that they could sue most companies if they feel competition. Those smaller companies are okay because they're small. So was pocketpair (an indie Japanese company that made palworld). Doesn't matter how much of a copy it feels like because they patent everything including shadows, isometric designs, etc etc
It will be really scary if Nintendo manages to win this.
they won't win the case , but still will win. appen before
@@nxl5383 they never lose....they will keep it going until other company cannot afford to continue the lawsuit.
恐ろしいことにはならないので大丈夫です。
Yeah, I kinda feel the same way I think Nintendo is suing because they don’t want to have to innovate. It’s no secret that Pokémon company has been phoning it in last few generations. I’m sure it hurt their pride that a smaller studio made a better 3D Pokémon type game
Nintendo doesn't own or develop Pokemon games.
@@Kyle_116They have a contract and own 30 or 40% of it.
@@lErickl32 its 32 or 33 percent or 1/3 of shares of the whole pokemon franchise actually. Gamefreak, Nintendo, and creatures all own 32 or 33 percent or 1/3 of shares of the pokemon franchise. They all make up the Pokémon Company. Gamefreak makes the mainline Pokemon games, Nintendo handles the publishing of the games and owns the trademark for Pokemon, and creatures ink makes the Pokemon 3d models, makes the Pokemon tcg, and makes the Pokémon detective pikachu games. But no company of the major 3 own 40 percent of shares for the pokemon franchise.
It's anti-comp and anti free market, pure stop. Anytime money and 'legal' mix, you get this.
Cornelius Vanderbilt (the man responsible for places like Vanderbilt University) actually made his fortune by running a ferry business in open defiance of one such patent (that made a monopoly in New York City transport.)
Stop buying their games. Go emulate . keep buying stuff from companys which knowledge you as a player.. big companys will never stop do such l moves
Imagine Bethesda is waiting for 2036 to release The Elder Scrolls VI
Thats a Bethesda timeline
The reason Nintendo waited so long it's because they were waiting for palworld to die down the craze for it and how popular it got wish that's when he started to sue but that's just my take on it ( love your videos by the way)
And probably wanted people to stop flooding them with emails about suing them
My conspiracy theory to yours Hex: they waited for palworld to make their money. So when they sued, not only would they get them potentially shir down, but would get them to settle and make huge money off pocketpair.
Considering they told the patent office to expedite their request I doubt they waited for more money. They probably took longer to make sure they covered their legal bases before actually suing.
you know Pokemon fans are deranged when they cant see the nuance of what Palworld and its popularity represents. Amazing video, Hex!
Also, as far as i know, the only real patent that i could see is the 3 tick then caught visual confirmation system. It really was a Pokemon exclusive thing.
Square Enix did it in World of Final fantasy with their imprism system to catch monsters and Nintendo did nothing.
@@Eddman368 That is because they did not violate their patent. Palworld copied their mechanic 1:1 blatantly.
Which is kind of weird as that is kind of a common "three strikes and you're out" kind of system anyway. So much of gaming runs on rules of threes for so much.
as somebody who grew up loving pokemon and played the gen 9 games i wont be buying ZA or any newer pokemon games and nintendo doing this shit just makes me want to sell my switch
This just seems like Nintendo trying to throw their weight around.
Would've been smarter to hire the palworld team to make the next gens
Pokèmon should be ashamed of itself on bullying other monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, TemTem, or Moshi Monsters for Pokémon to remain the only monster franchise in existence.
Pokèmon has to lose the lawsuit before the damage to other monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, TemTem, or Moshi Monsters is permanent.
You should also check out World of Final Fantasy
I feel like Digimon wouldn't be able to come out in this day and age without these same people saying "Bro IT'S COPYING POKEMON!" even more than some probably did in the past.
Digimon pretty much killed itself to be honest man. The community can't even decide what game to point people to😂😂 though arguably the best version of 'pocket monsters' there is. The digimon designs and evolutions + combos you could do have were wild
Meanwhile Pokemon blatantly stole from Digimon. Megavolution even when it was introduced was a ripoff of Digivolution.
The craziest thing is that Digimon isn't even a Pokémon clone. If anything, the very original concept of it is more of a Tamagochi clone, when it first appeared. Yet both things co-exist.
I prefer Digimon because unlike Pokemon, the characters grew up and the anime was better than the Pokemon anime because Digimon wasn't afraid to tackle some scary/dark things! And the Digimon games are freaking awesome too
It was really common for kids to claim digimon copied pokemon and even back then pokemon fans refused to play with digimon fans.
They are kinda suing a dead horse they really didn't have the balls to attack the game when it was alive
It’s been releasing updates and has a really good number of players on just PC. Just cause it’s not flooding RUclips with videos doesn’t mean it’s dead.
@@ichigokage ye well we all like to pretend it is like that...but no ;)
Anyway fuck Nintendo always
@@Saren_5 i mean, screw nintendo too, but the game's apparently stayed in the 5 digits (around 20,000 on average) since the major playercount drop (of over 2 million mind you). the game's hype might have died, but the concurrent player count never did.
@@JDReC100 I'll die on this hill just for the sake of it
Me: I’m done with pokemon games
Also me: IS THAT A FUCKING Z IN THE TITLE OF A POKÉMON GAME?!
so real 😂
Bro this intro goes hard 🔥
私はPalworld賛成派の日本人です。
日本の特許のシステムに反感を持つのは、海外では一般的なことなのでしょうか?
もしそうなら、もし任天堂が勝利すれば、彼らは多くの海外のファンを失うことになります。
Westerners are just brainroted idiots... They will forget about this incident in a month after everything is over..
権利意識の低い野蛮人しかいないからね
They already have.
@@IgnorantKingRavenIt's been going on since the beginning of this year. The drama never stopped.
Also, some people actually stick to their convictions. I swore off EA after what they did to American McGee and the Sims. Still haven't given them a penny since, and I never will.
Nintendo created "child patents" of older more vague patents which despite being very recent, retroactively take effect. One being the act of throwing an object at a target to capture it.... (so no more fishing, no more monster hunting, etc) and another being riding captured mounts? (so Wow, final fantasy, etc will now be on notice?)
lmao someone literally defended corporate laziness. no you do not get to be lazy. you have no excuse. you get big investor bucks. also why tf didnt nintendo bother square enix for world of final fantasy?
Pal spheres also have unique innovations on the mechanic such as a gun to launch them and skills that increase the catch chance. They also worrk on people, pokballs don't.
The meat riders are absolutely insane, Nintendo will not hire you lil bro
nintendo sued the devs because they got more revenue than their crap. pokemon games are like iphones, releasing the same thing over and over again and putting a huge price tag, like a robber mocking its victims.
Just the usual tactic of making a smaller company bleed money for legal fees. Nothing new.
Side note Hex didnt tell us to use a wash cloth. Back to just using hands fellas
*tinfoil hat mode*
What if Pocketpair asked Nintendo to sue them and then lose on purpose so that it creates a precedent for indie/future gamedevs to freely use game mechanics they want, because game mechanic patents are stupid.
...yeah, no.
@@JDReC100 yeah I know, hence the tin foil
That would hurt Nintendo's reputation as a whole
Personally I liked Scarlet and Violet. It had the best in my opinion story in all the other pokemon games so far which was nice to see. That is why it hurts so much to see all of this happen. A while back a friend of mine told me about palworld and even bought it for me for my steam deck. It was fun, like really fun as it felt nothing like pokemon and honestly more like ark mixed with botw. I of course have not played it much since given that I am waiting for more content before jumping back in and I still play pokemon a lot too. Basically both are great games but are completely different to the point that pokemon is not even going to struggle due to it. Let palworld do its own thing and you do yours Nintendo, if anything the people will overall see you in a better light and not discount Disney.
It might be foul in the west but not in the east, in the east they are in favor of Nintendo....
Only in Japan; everywhere else in the world, it's pretty much unanimous that Nintendo is in the wrong here.
It's so dumb because those mechanics were in pocketpairs first game craftopia which released in 2020. They announced palworld in 2021 the same year nintendo patented pocketpairs mechanic and now might be using that mechanic against them.
This is bad for all gamers. I'm a fan of both palworld and pokemon but nintendo and pokemon want to make it so the only way you can play a game like pokemon is by buying their crap.
Palworld isn't even the same genre you can play without ever catching a pal without crafting a sphere
Lunch break Hex Lets gooooo! *Intro jam*
Look, I'm an old ass man. I had an og NES when I was a little ass boy. So believe me I understand the allure of nostalgia. But Nintendo needs to be told to go kick rocks and people need to stop glazing them. I have not bought a Nintendo since the N64 because they are anti consumer. These people hate you. Yes YOU! You the consumer and you the content creators. You are an obstacle to them getting that bag in Nintendo's eyes.
64?! Bruh u didn’t get the SP?
Considering this year, I'm sure 90% of content creators are PDFs anyways.. who give a damn about them..
I'm swearing off Pokémon now dude. I was gonna get a Pokémon game next payday because I have an urge for itm but nah I'm done lol. Pokemon/Nintendo sre actual bullies
任天堂は私達に楽しい思い出を残してくれましたが、今回はそれを壊しました。
私ももう任天堂のゲームを買うことは無いでしょう。
I agree with this despite me liking Pokèmon, I am officially done with Pokèmon because of the fallout especially when the Mega Evolutions came to existence. Pokèmon bullying Palworld along with other monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Moshi Monsters, or Chaotic makes me lose respect for Pokémon even further.
Disney does the same shitty practice of petty suing.
However, Disney has less success, for example they tried to sue a French studio because they were going to make a live action adaptation of Beauty and the Beast and Disney lost. Nintendo, on the other hand, has a high success rate due to Japanese culture and hierarchical scale. But let's not let that stop us from hoping that PocketPair can win this case for everyone's sake.
the nemesis system in shadow of war was so fucking awesome! i had an orc i killed come back to fight me three times. one time i cut off his arm and stabbed him so he came back with a fake arm, another time i cut off a leg and stabbed him, he came back with a fake leg, the third time i put my sword through his FUCKING HEAD! he came back with a metal plate covering his skull and couldn't talk anymore, only scream!!!!! i finally beat him and decapitated him and that was the end of his story. but the nemesis system was so damn good and the powers in that game, you really ended up feeling like a god towards end game but could still get clapped if you weren't careful. the enemy could even adapt to your moves if you used them too often and then you would have to find another way to kill them!
I might be off but this was settled and they sued over a shadow mechanic that is now licensed out.
To be honest I got bored of Pokemon so I moved onto playing different games. Heck even MiHoYo has some type of monster tamer thing in their new update of Genshin
nintendo would rather sue a company over nothing then make their games better also pocketpairs lawyers told them they where clear so nintendo has no case what so ever
The lawyers were to see that they were clear for copyright. Its entirely possible that the lawyers had no idea about the patent.
Nintendo tho is trying to set a horryfying precedent tho.
Nintendo is a bit pretentious with this, considering Megami Tensei did Pokémon before they ever did.
Really want a cute spin-off with lots of Pokémon-esque marketing just to see how they react
Ah yes, right at dinner time, it's gonna be a great day :D
Have you ever heard of World of Final Fantasy? That game has monster capture mechanics, but with cubes
What they patent is pla engine, in his enterity which if we looked palword use it, yes they exapand it but still
They can't patent an idea example the idea of collecting monster by throwing objects to catch them can't be patented
It also takes time to file one, even years, not something that can happen in a span of month
We should remember that japanese law is different and more complex
Palworld uses AI in its designs anyway, so I never played it, but that's still fucked up.
That was never proven
All mega corps who have a monopoly are trash and should be forced to break into smaller companies and you will not change my mind
Nintendo wasn’t even in the rights to do this cause they need game freak and creatures inc on this lawsuit before they do this, Nintendo says it’s a “3D copy” it’s not, Pokemon doesn’t have building, Nintendo is suing for similar gameplay, if they win there saying mechanics are able to be owned which will ruin indie devs.
Pokemon is obviously the basic jrpg style.
You recruit soldiers, pokeball is sort of bribe to try make them join you, instead of dying.
Computer is barracks where your soldiers hang when not in use.
You use your soldiers to fight other commanders in typical turn based gameplay.
And eventually fight the bbeg
And so on.
Tho difference in Pokemon is that the gathering of soldiers is more highlighted mechanic.
Nintendo should just make a good game for once (and put it on PC)
For once? I'm sorry to be that guy but Nintendo has tons of great games...
This is not me supporting Nintendo but I just can handle pure ignorance..
Pokémon is owned jointly by Nintendo, game freak and creatures inc
Sooo Nintendo is tryna pull a Pubg seee how well that went for them lmao
what game doesnt do the catching a monster for use nowadays?
Nowadays*
@@mayborneflower english is not my first language so i appreciate the correction -salute
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They're gonna have to sue rimworld next because of their taming mechanic lol
@@Fishboy9000 Nintendo: You get a lawsuit, they get a lawsuit, EVERYBODY GETS A LAWSUIT :D. Thomas Edison, he king of lawsuits, would be proud
Legal Mindset dropped a video about it earlier today, big scummy technically legal Japanese corpo shit
Exactly that's when 2k & madden was at its best in the eaarly 2000s when there was comp now that no one other companies iss really making basketball & football games EA & 2k is lazy Actvision as well similar type of games but different features is great for everyone
Hex looking very beautiful today as always
And I thought Nintendo glazers were annoying
i love pokemon
They want some money money money. . what a greedy s8 company.
Palworld did something new, Pokemon is like Call of Duty, same shit every time, almost 0 features that make it really different experience and of course barely working on release.
Also, Nintendo does not sue undless they are 100% sure they can win... they will win, Palworld will go under, delisted from steam and the Nintendo fanboys will cheer as they line up to buy the next copy paste Pokemon game and then whine that it is not working on release..
Palworld copied 1:1 nintendo's most iconic game mechanic, that is quite specific by the way. This Nintendo's new patent does not prevent anybody from making a monster capturing game. What it stops is blatant 1:1 copies. Easiest way to dodge that patent is just to not throw an object. You can still have a pokeball but not throw it and it's safe. The patent is very specific, else it wouldn't have been approved at all. Hate nintendo and their lack of creativity, but people are blowing this beyond reasonable proportions or just not understand what's going on.
99% of conviction rate when you go to court in Japan. You are guilty unless you can prove that absolutly everything is false.
They go to court in Japan because they know how the law work in Japan
@spugelo359 Nintendo yook that mechanic from other things when it was created. They are the definiton of making it big and kicking away the ladder to make sure noone else can.
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Seriously, how can people defend Palworld dev's action?
They could have made Palworld without purposely using Pokemon's art direction. But they chose to.
When a Vtuber rip off Shylily's model design, she got called out and shun'ed by the community. When Palworld rip off Pokemon's art design everything is fine now? What is this double standard?
Don't bring out the BS reason like "Oh, they are both based off sheep so of course they are going to look similar"
With that logic, I can make a Sonic + Knuckle fusion with Tails' tail added on, icing on the cake, I will draw it in the same style as Sonic and call it my OC. Since my OC is based on hedgehog so of course hes gonna look similar to Sonic.
I am a character designer, and I can tell you art style and design idea are like signature of the artist. You won't stumble upon the same style unless you deliberately try to copy it. Much like forging a signature, you won't get the person's signature unless you go out of your way to copy everything down to the weight of the stoke to angle of the letter's curve.
Seriously people, you can like the game they made, but you cannot support their action.
you can still dislike Pocket Pair's actions and call out Nintendo for NOT doing a copyright lawsuit and instead doing a Panent Lawsiut.
At least PocketPair have said that every Pal design has been approved by Pokemon. And this is probably done on purpose to ensure that the creature designs are legally in calm waters. And this is also why this lawsuit is not about copyrights and creature designs, but this lawsuit is about patent infringement related to mechanics and gameplay. But since Nintendo owns several hundred patents for many video game mechanics, it is not known exactly which patents are involved.
And what exactly did they do that is so criminal?
Palworld is like a blatant parody of Pokemon, alongside a mash up of many other games.
Hope that pokemon crap clone loss the legal battle and eat the dust. Just hate how their team lack creativity. Just hire a decent designer artist and stop being lazy. The way similar the creature design that they ripped out of pokemon should be clear as the sun
Nintendo won't send you a free copy of the next pokemon game dude, you can stop sucking them off so hard.
just fyi off topic about the video here when I clicked the discord link the invite is invalid but the link in your "about me" works. I think maybe you should fix that lol. anyways I found you this month and I love your energy lmaoo
@jacobweeby Nintendo is the worst you guys to wash that the funny RUclips short and funny
Hopefully AiWorld loses 👍👍👍👍
the Ai allagations for Palworld were debunked awhile ago
@@JDReC100 No they were not, but keep spreading that around. Won't matter as it won't change the outcome in the end when they lose the lawsuit.
Does that mean Wuthering waves gets sued too?
No. I went to check both the short version of the patent specific to capturing and the way Wuthering waves does it is not the same. Nintendo specified that the "capture object" has to be thrown at a "character" and then do success/failure roll. If any of those are missing then it's not covered by the patent. Nintendo's Patent is too specific, otherwise it wouldn't have been approved in the first place.
@@spugelo359 It is never specific enough. A good enough group of lawyers can go after any number of games where catching something is a part of the gameplay. Take pretty much any fishing game or game that has a fishing mini-game in it.
The fishing rod or net can be the "capture object" and the fish, whether visible or not visible (because the patent is NOT specific on the visibility of the character trying to be captured), are the "character(s)". As for the success/failure roll, a good enough group of lawyers could argue that even games that require only player input (and no chance rolls) to catch the fish are still bound by various other in-game events or game code that the player cannot control. After all, legally, what actually constitutes a "success/failure roll" in a video game? An example could be the fish's random swimming pattern or how the fish reacts to bait or lures at the end of the fishing line, etc. It could be any line of code that randomizes any number of actions the fish takes in different situations in the game.
Again, patents are specific, but they are still rarely specific enough to deter a very determined corporation with access to the best lawyers money could buy from abusing it. Nintendo probably would never go after fishing games, or any other games that feature capturing, but don't dare say they couldn't try.
@@spugelo359Yep, but that applies to TemCard from Temtem and Nexotrap from Nexomon, for example.