Why Pokemon's Palworld Lawsuit Is Hypocritical
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- We're taking a look at the situation around Pokemon and Palworld. The Pokemon Company has announced that they are suing Pocketpair, the company behind Palworld. #pokemon #palworld #gaming
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@magicaljill, all that Pocketpair would have to do is to use Data East USA, Inc. v. Epyx, Inc. and Capcom U.S.A. Inc. v. Data East Corp. as legal precedents against Nintendo and those two cases by themselves would decimate Nintendo, not just in the USA, but also worldwide. However, as for the argument that Pocketpair could use, then I would go for the following things.
1. Pocketpair needs to use Data East USA, Inc. v. Epyx, Inc. and Capcom U.S.A. Inc. v. Data East Corp. as the framework for the main lawsuit against Nintendo, and, by extension, Game Freak, Inc..
2. Pocketpair needs to change the argument in those cases from martial arts to martial arts, real life creatures, Japanese, and other, forms of cultural folklore that are not subject to copyright laws anywhere worldwide.
3. Pocketpair needs to get other competing companies that made franchises like Digimon, Medabots, Yo-Kai Watch, Monster Rancher, Jade Cocoon, Cassette Beasts, etc., as their allies/fellow defendants/witnesses in its case.
4. Pocketpair also needs to use those other companies to make other additional charges against Nintendo in the lawsuit if Nintendo, as well as Game Freak, Inc., both get too uppity against Pocketpair and its allies, namely things like violating the Sherman Antitrust Act, as well as the RICO Act, and other similar legislation, not just in the USA, but also worldwide, including in Japan.
5. Pocketpair, as well as its potential allies, also need to make sure that the wheels are not greased by either themselves, or by Nintendo, Game Freak, Inc., or any of their allies, thus making the judges, attorneys/lawyers/barristers, judges, other legal officials, and juries be unable to be corrupted, biased, and/or otherwise bought out by scumbags.
6. Finally, to ensure complete compliance to Nintendo, than they just need to bring out all of the people that Nintendo ironically plagiarized back in the 1980s when it was first getting into the video game industry, such as Deep Purple, Ryo Sayazaki, Piper, etc., and have them testify against such things, thus making Nintendo even deeper into the hole than they were before the first opening minutes of the trial.
Were Pocketpair, and its potential allies, to keep on this path, then they all could win the entire pot, but at the cost of potentially leading to a series of events, both related to, as well as apart from, this case that could destroy the video game industry worldwide. Finally, any competent judge and jury would toss Nintendo and Game Freak, Inc. out on their a
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, and also not paid a single penny, as they would be arguing not what Data East and Epyx did in their lawsuits, but, rather, what the judges handed down as the verdicts from those lawsuits, as well as their opinions, and reasons, for said judgements in those previous legal cases. Pocketpair simply needs to make this case go like this, and Nintendo and Game Freak., Inc. will learn a harsh lesson, for it was at this point in the second case that the quality of Capcom started to take a notable nosedive, and, no, it was not due to the leap to 3D, but, rather, it was due to their actions, and Data East wisely learned to mind their own business until Capcom forced them to this same point a dozen years later. Granted, Data East became more successful up until around 1990 or so after the first place, but the point is that it also did not engage in petty lawsuits, as it truly regretted what had happened with Epyx, who was never the same afterwards.
I went to Monster Rancher over Pokemon.
People doesn't know that palworld game mechanics came from craftopia that was out from 2020 way before pokemon had their own mechanics they are far too late lol.
@paxhumana2015 look up craftopia that's where their game mechanics came from. And not only that it came out in 2020 years before pokemon did their own open world game mechanics. Also palworld was ment to be released in 2021 when they have video's and game play of it but they postponed the release till 2024 to use unreal engine to improve the gaming graphics and other stuff which again proves that pokemon didn't have any way to prove that they took their own ideas and patent right because pocket pair had theirs out first before pokemon could do anything.
PoketPair should move to USA.
I've read from Japanese responses and comments that Nintendo is allowed to make these patents on video game mechanics and gameplays because the company is highly respected and honored among them. And in Japan, Nintendo is also considered merciful and good when it willingly allows other game studios and developers around the world to use their intellectual property freely as long as they don't compete, step on Nintendo's toes, be disrespectful or try to sue first. And this is a lot about how society, culture, social hierarchy and atmosphere in Japan has become the way it is today.
But in any case, I agree the current globalizing patent system is cery flawed and broken and needs a fix if not a complete overhaul it to patch the loopholes in order to bring it into the modern world. And this should involve all the countries of the world so that the new system can be better and more functionally universalized.
That's a shame if they are allowed to capitalize on loopholes in the Japanese legal system just because of the business they bring to the country. It shouldn't be surprising though since that's the casing pretty much every country if your business is big enough.
they aren't allowed anything they knew it is for what is it that's why pokemon never have any problem with other monster catcher series
Nintendo may have won the hearts of the japanese but it will certainly did not win mine and I will make sure to push away everyone I know away from Nintendo. As a FOSS developer who has also contributed on several open source projects, one of the things I hate the most is definitely patented game mechanics.
@@oratankWhen did any other monster catching series offer them significant competition though? Yo-kai Watch did for a couple of years but it was so different that there was no loophole to sue them, but then Pokemon sure did take inspiration from it for the Sun and Moon era.
"merciful and good" pah!
Just fyi Craftopia existed before Legends Arceus. So the throwing and mounting mechanic they are trying to patern doesn't even really belong to them.
That is not how it works.
Craftopia having the mechanic doesn't matter because they are not suing over Craftopia. Also having the mechanic in other games doesn't matter because the way patents are implemented in Japanese law.
Legally speaking Palworld is probably going to lose and lose hard at that, at least according to some Japanese lawyers.
@imatiu even in Japan, you can't get a valid patent for something that was already made publicly available anywhere in the world before you filed. Every nation includes this novelty clause to avoid a situation where a product already on the market is retroactively sued for infringement despite being the first.
Patents protect inventors. You can't claim to be the inventor of anything that is already public knowledge, just because the actual inventor wasn't greedy enough to file.
Most Japanese gaming patents are invalid and unenforceable. Companies only file them to avoid wasting money fighting nuisance patent lawsuits from individuals maliciously filing patents in the hopes that the victim company will decide that settling out of court will be cheaper than fighting it. (Which it almost always is.)
@@myria2834 Which is fine since Pokemon's patent is fairly specific, it entails throwing an object to capture and miniaturize a creature, this object will have a percent base chance of succeding and make the creature a property of the player.
This is specific enough to not overlap with any other system in other games, at least not any system that has presented a patent or that is publicly available.
@@imatiu
For USA Patent Law. Nintendo actually would lose this Patent because it's not new, given Craftopia. Regardless if the Patent was signed off on today or tomorrow.
But yes... Japanese Patent are nothing like our law.
@@imatiu
Yes and no... At least under USA Patent Law. That is too generic and not specific enough to survive in Court. Not all USA Patents survive the Court after being approved by the Patent Office.
As for Novelty?... It's not. Given Craftopia legally predates this Patent.
Also, this Patent can be separated into 3 smaller patents, which in America, is also not going to survive in Court. As those Smaller Patents are too generic and not Novelty.
Mega evolution is literally a Digimon thing and works as it does in Digimon
To me, it's hypocritical as f because Nintendo was on the other side of such bs lawsuit in the 80's and won because you can't patent something you can easilly replicate in the real world.
yep and now they are being the villains
Interesting, when that happened?
How the heck you gonna throw a ball at a monster and have the monster get captured in the ball irl?
@jamielishbrook2384 idk lol maybe a giant ball opens, then a net comes out and and something like what u do when fishing and it reals them in lol, maybe it could work
@@kingkobra5063 ok... But where the hay you finding a real monster.
The game you're thinking about for mega evolutions is digimon. Each digimon evolution has a name and most of them usually are temporary. And it's more on the side of westerners i guess cause jp and en dub had a bit of switch up between those evolutions
From one of digimon wikis:
Main Digivolution Stages (English adaptation terms with Japanese terms in brackets):
Fresh (幼年期 I, Younenki I?, lit. "Baby I")
In-Training (幼年期 II, Younenki II?, lit. "Baby II")
Rookie (成長期, Seichouki?, lit. "Child")
Champion (成熟期, Seijukuki?, lit. "Adult")
Ultimate (完全体, Kanzen-tai?, lit. "Perfect")
Mega (究極体, Kyuukyoku-tai?, lit. "Ultimate")
No patents like this shouldn't exsit.
Sony has to back them to some level they are partners and most likely a good reason for nintendo going after them because of their partnership.
Now it's crash bandicoot vs mario
Oh how I'd love for PlayStation to get a "Kirby Parody" series Me and some of my friends can't wait to yell "Then stop neglecting Kirby series in Super Smash Bro's then" and maybe PlayStation wouldn't take all your fans you can't make it any simpler for Nintendo.
@@jonadams2741 like some pink blob that instead of inhaling the enemies, it just jumps on them for them to go inside of its body and use their power. Nintendo can't patent a blob
@@BlahBlahBlahBlah69 They'll try but it will still be funny to watch lol. With the way they are acting for Palworld I would never hold it pass them.
@@BlahBlahBlahBlah69 Make it an iridescent black blob that transforms into things it runs into, that has enough resemblance to that sticky ball game, Mario's possession cap, Kirby, and Venom to raise eyebrows but nothing more.
Sony needs to protect Pocketpair and, by extension, Palworld. That could be a great competitive IP to force Pokemon to actually innovate.
@Kratos7560 pocketpair had their game mechanics in craftopia and use that game mechanics in palworld. They had all this approved year's back way before pokemon did their own patent right. Nintendo should give up
If Pokemon wasn't so ridiculous with their own very obvious inspirations I would say whatever, but they were so inspired by other games lol
I'm seriously considering getting Palworld on PS5 now instead of Legends Arceus
personally i prefer palworld over arcues cause it also includes survival aspect and ceafting is bigger paet of the gameplay than in arceus
I played Arceus, it's a good game but i would understand if you like Palworld more.
Usually pokémon fans are big Monster Hunter fans as well and Palworld is a weird mix of everything.
LOL no kidding at least PlayStation doesn't contradict themselves. Nintendo doesn't want competition but constantly neglects their main Ip's to, I honestly wish another company would make a super successful parody of Kirby so Nintendo can for once make smarter marketing moves which it's going to happen but will Nintendo change is the question.
Get Palworld. I played arceus and honestly palword's open world is better. Sure you might need to craft items to mount flying/water mounts for some stuff but that's not needed plus you're not forced to stay in one area for 5 hours because the story doesn't allow you to go there or "YoU'rE rAnK iS tOo lOw tO pRoGrEsS!". But you might get reality checked by a boss pal or a random level 40 pal because you accidentally angered it. Plus shinies (Or lucky pals) have actual use in palworld. Sure they are just bigger and make noise unlike normal pals (These are not alphas, alphas are basically boss battles!) but they give you a unique trait which you can pass through breeding called "Lucky" which gives +15% Work Speed and +15% Attack for the pal that has it. And you can breed any species together, that includes legendaries, you just need a male and female pal + some cake and wait until you get an egg. There's also a breeding calculator so you can check which pals come from which parent combinations so you can look and breed for the pal that you want, even you can get one of the better Pals to work for your base, Anubis which is normally a level 40 boss iirc.
There are better franchises than Pokèmon. You should try out Digimon Surivive or other monster franchises besides Pokèmon.
5:22 I believe Atari did something similar with Crystal Castles, way back in the 80's. When Bently Bear walked behind another object, you could still see his feet. I'd have to double check to be sure.
This reminds me exactly about the issues between hoyo and kuro with genshin and wuwa how with hoyo sitting on their asses for 4 years doing nothing for their game ignoring player feedback you name it then when kuro games comes out with wuthering waves hoyo is trying every possible dirty trick to make the game gone because they know it's a better game and they treat the players with respect something hoyo has yet to show with their players
barely touched wuwa when it released but i remember that some hoyo fans went crazy against it
Palworld has had 1 major update since release, they're making paid dlc and haven't fixed any of the console multiplayer issues since launch just putting this out there
They are still working in the game. And... That has still nothing to do with this lawsuit anyway. They would have abandoned the development last March, and still that doesn't justify this crap. Just putting this out here
It would be the crappiest game ever, and that still doesn't mean Nintendo can pull this crap.
@Aldenfenris pokemon multiplayer works at launch, palworld has made half a billion to fix issues on thier knock off and it shouldn't be a small indie at that point if they cared about fans. COPE nintendo w
@@gammarabbit1481 and? What has that to do with the Nintendo lawsuit? How does that excuse the lawsuit?. We are not arguing the quality or lack of it, from the game. The argument here is that the lawsuit is petty and wrong, and done simply to try to stop competition. Unless the patent is suddenly something actually sensible, and not the stuff the videos and online research hint at, this lawsuit is garbage, and in a decent reality shouldn't be allowed. IF the lawsuit involves other patents that are serious and not just "no,.. we invented this genre" level of petty/broad, I will apologize for the reaction. But still hearing "but the game is flawed guys!" Does not mean anything in this situation.
@@gammarabbit1481
The game hasn't even been out for a year. And for an indie dev, having a major update within the first 5- 6 months of release is pretty quick. As for paid DLCs, what on earth are you talking about? Palworld doesn't have any DLCs, nor has there been any news suggesting they have any coming.
*"and it shouldn't be a small indie at that point"*
The fact they made a lot of money doesn't mean they magically are no longer are an indie studio. You expect them to just hire on 100s of devs overnight or something?
*"COPE nintendo w"*
Whatever you say loser.
Pokémon, not pokimon.
It's more interchangable in the west. You should see how some of these names are pronounced in Mexico.
@@thequestionable1413 No, it's just pokémon.
"pokimon" "poke a mon" are incorrect.
2:24 No. No you shouldn't.
16:28 That's shocking, & a bit sad. But natural. All things must end.
@11:31 Never minded the term "clone." In fact, I'll use it to search for games I might like.
It's dumb because pocketpair made those mechanics first in craftopia in 2020. Palworld was announced in summer 2021 and they filed their patent in December 2021. So pocketpair thought they were safe because who would have thought to see if their own mechanics got patented by someone else months later.
Nintendo knew about craftopia and palworld this was scummy on nintendo
Announced and shown a game demo in a japanese indie expo in 2021 as well, way before December
Two thoughts:
1 - If Palworld applied for their patent first _then_ Nintendo applied for the same kind of thing later, Palworld may have a good argument that Nintendo can't "own" it.
2 - Regardless, the Poke Ball is still a recognizable, signature element of Pokemon as a whole, and which predates the one patent suspected so far (about throwing Poke Balls Legends Arceus style).
But, given how even Pocketpair hasn't been informed of all the specific details yet, us armchair commenters are in even less position to make anything but snap impressions at this time. Pokemon _did not_ "invent" the genre of creature-collecting / monster-taming, and they _should not_ be allowed to selectively enforce exclusivity over something as broad as "player throwing a projectile to interact with a non-player entity", but Palworld's (also Craftopia's) method of capturing creatures _does_ appear to be derivative of Poke Balls specifically, which casts at least an appearance of potential IP infringement.
@@Stratelier if it's just any projectile than they will outright lose because of how broad that is. It's more specific most likely, and if I had to guess it would most likely be capture entities with spheres like objects and even that could be potentially fought against do to sphere like objects being an optimal throwing tool. That is pretty much the only thing I could see them successfully pulling off but the lawsuit is occurring in Japan so I'm not sure how it's going to turn out. I don't think Nintendo is targeting other monster gamers in general but I think palworld may have made them angry. With some of the tweets I've seen from pocketpair I wouldn't be surprised if they did something to piss Nintendo off. It would be funny if it was because pocketpair refused to put palworld on switch but I think it was because they have what is basically similar creatures to pokemon and it's popular. It's not even completely original, and it's obvious it's just different enough to be legally distinct.
Yeah I really like Pokemon but it's pretty obvious why they're doing this and why they waited 9 months to find something.
There are many theories. But according to one, the reason may have been, or at least triggered by, the recent partnership between PocketPair and Sony to productize and commercialize Palword into toys, cards, animation, movies and manga, for example. And their deal also includes a plan to make PlayStation a new home console for Palword and its future sequels that Nintendo may not have been happy about but felt this as a threat
@@danielmalinen6337 That's a good theory. If they are suing them because of the patnership though then that's even worse as a look.
I could be wrong but even if they win . They can’t enforce this worldwide. This would most likely only a a Japan thing. If they are really partnering with Sony , I expect Sony to help them in this lawsuit . They are just as powerful in Japan as Nintendo , if not more . As gamer though you hate to see it . This little team made a better game than any Pokémon I played probably at least in the last 10 years . Nintendo is always doing the the bare minimum with the Pokémon IP and sometimes even less than that .
@@danielmalinen6337
An Anti Trust Lawsuit is pretty much just this.
I love Pokemon but I feel the series has been downhill for a while. The games have lost its quality and the anime has been shit ever since ash left. I think Nintendo and Pokemon Company is making a big mistake in suing Palworld for the wrong reasons
Agreed on that. Pokemon is awesome but it should take Palworld as a kick in the pants to improve not play victim.
@@BigBlackBarret not really palworld has done pretty well for it's self the problem really relies on what they've discussed in the video peer jealously over competition.
@@Nintendofan781 I think they're agreeing with you they're saying Palworld did well and that Nintendo should be looking to it for inspiration to get better as a brand not sue them.
Quality you say they claim they cant put every pokemon new and past in the games cuz they claim they have to remake them then paste them all like ther doing now and reselling said pokemon as dlc and not to mention the graphics that's all blocky etc
I disagree the horizons ain't bad I think it's better than with Ash it's something new instead of Ash 24/7 every region for years on end also the graphics actually have improved compare the switch Pokemon games to the 3DS but not going to lie this day and age they definitely feel lack luster they're still following the same formula right now I'm enjoying Legends Arceus I personally feel like they should do something like that and expand on things like actual voice acting better graphics and performance I think with all their money they should make the switch 2 way more powerful or if people are going to complain about the price cuz it needs more power then they should make the Pokemon game on other platforms like PC PlayStation Xbox etc and make a downgraded version on the switch 2 and give it a longer development cycle and release lower development time Pokemon games in the meantime for the big mainline game people will see a massive improvement and take notice
I can’t believe how anti-balling this move is from Nintendo. They are certainly not winning an MVP award from me. 🏀
Nintendo really did not want to have competition in this genre I guess
And Nintendo filed patents AFTER Palworld was released.
There's a thing called a Parent Patent so technically they can link it to a patent they did in like 2021 meaning patents granted in 2024 would be considered being grated in 2021 >_>
@@ViroVeteruscy There is a other game called crafttopia with the same mechanics from 2020 that is from pocket pair, so they still used it before the parent patent. xD
@@ViroVeteruscy Pocketpair made craftopia. which uses the game mechanics Palworld uses. But Craftopia released on 2020. before that patent was filed. and Nintnedo is in violation of Honor Code.
@@circledude2362 does Japan have honor code?
@@delta5287 this is to stop trolls from abusing Patents.
To me it spits in the face of the entire industry. It all goes back to Space Invaders, the first arcade space shooter. People loved Space Invaders. Did Taito patent the concept and not allow other companies to make their own? Nope. That's why we got Galaxian, Galaga, eventually R-Type, Gradius, Parodius, Ikaruga, Star Fox, etc etc. Now tell me, what games have more in common? Space Invaders and Galaxian? Or Pokemon and Palworld. What about DOOM Clones? Build engine games? How many games copied Ubisoft open world design? In Breath of the wild, you climb towers to unlock the map. Hm... sounds like Assassin's Creed and Far Cry 3. But when did Ubisoft get petty enough to try to sue or bully their copy cats?
Mega was from Digimon
Funnily enough, what they're referring to with this whole patent thing is probably from Pokemon Legends Arceus.
Which is depressingly sad because LA was the best thing to come out of Pokemon in the past 10 years since X/Y.
And it's upsetting to be that they're now using their LA Patents to stifle competition.
I hope, if they win, Nintendo is never able to make another game again because of patent law.
I lost any sympathy for Pokemon and Nintendo when they went after Pokemon Uranium.
That was a fan game, my dude. Not a good comparison.
a good fan game which isn't even disrupting their sales. Oh they're also a$$holes for shutting down many Smash tournaments years back when they're the reason why Smash is even popular to begin with. @@NitwitsWorld
@@eijitoh6252 Nintendo is evil. They work for the Yakuza and they still do today
@@NitwitsWorld It being a fan game makes it even worse honestly, imagine hating your fan base so much you shut down fan projects, and then can’t even give said fans a good game in over a decade. Nintendo hates fun, and its fans, they can go kick rocks.
@@BornofanidlemindExactly. They threw a fit over a free game that wasn't canon or sold and they were so afraid that free game would undercut their sales that they attacked it legally.
I’m Japanese and I’ve been reading an ex-designer of Palworld talking on X about their experiences in the company, and I really can’t defend Palworld….the CEO harassing the designers by forcing them to mimic Pokémon, even if they refused. The company even changed the designer’s monster designs so they’ll look more like Pokémon. The designer quit the job and is struggling from PTSD
Regardless of the outcome I'm confident that Pocketpair will resume business as usual. 😎
Maybe, but pal world? That is another can of worms. And the issue is Nintendo trying to kill the game. Certainly they want to mess up Pocket pair too if they can. But murdering pal world due to patents and letting pocket pair "survive" would still be a craptastic result still.
@@Aldenfenris I don't see the problem with Palworld either. There's no way PP will kill their golden goose over a legal issue. Most likely they would have to pay a few millions and tweak the mechanics a little bit.
@@stormgalaxypegasus It heavily depends on what patents are in question and how willing nintendo is to just let go with a 'ok, pay this fine, and pay us royalties'. what if nintendo wins, decides 'nope we never gave you permission for that, and you can't use it' and they have to remove the mount mechanics, or the capture or whatever inane mechanic the patents in litigation are?. Also, I am sure it will be a ridiculous number of money, because 'projections of profits and lost profits and all kind of legal mumbo jumbo that means 'we pulled this number out of our rear' as damages . And then try to figure some bizarre alternate or different systems that... completely change some of the main appeal of the game? People act like it is as simple as 'oh, right, we just change the sphere for a square!' and that will work!. But I worry it most likely is far from that easy. (if it is? wonderful, but I just worry on the 'what if it isn't' scenario)
@Aldenfenris here's a thing pocketpair made a game called Craftopia that used the same game mechanics they put on palworld which gives them the patent right. Craftopia came out in 2020 years before pokemon did their own game mechanics. Nintendo is doing is wrong here
@@outlawstar2090 Here is hoping, never said nintendo was right, just 'technically legally allowed to do this nonsense'
"For the period from 2014 to 2021, approximately 30 percent of patent infringement cases that came before the Tokyo District Court and Osaka District Court were settled. Of the remainder, 21 percent had the claim upheld, 44 percent were dismissed, 2 percent were dismissed without prejudice, and 2 percent upheld confirmation of the nonexistence of obligation. In 2021, the average duration of an IP case handled by the Tokyo District Court or Osaka District Court (from commencement to a final decision) was 15.2 months."
Lets hope PalWorld suit falls in the 48% of cases that are dismissed!
I hope your Right. NINTENDOS team of lawyers according to official records have never lost and in a recent case. While the Patent Infringement claim didn't stick... NIntendo Still strong armed them into settling out of court... massive fines, and forcing them To pay more in Licensing fees... this isn't about winning... It Nintendo trying show a display of Force that they will maintain the Monopoly over this genre and they will kill any company that thinks or acts otherwise.
Nintendo is one of the golden geese of japan. They'll get their way because their loyalists are too loyal for their own good
Temporary Mega Evolution?
Digimon did it first!!
Ultraseven & Dragon Quest are the biggest influences on Pokemon. And the original anime took Team Rocket from Time Boken.
I don't see how this is anything but taking advantage of the law. In the east, they think of intellectual property in a completely different way than we do in the west. That's mostly because, when westerners demanded legal protections for their processes, people in Japan thought they were nuts. The idea simply didn't exist over there and they didn't have any frame of reference for it. What they came up with, was this idea that intellectual property is like a child. And it is the creator of that intellectual property's duty as the "parent" to see that that idea grows the right way. What's happened since then, has been more like a divorce where one parent tries to take the kid from the other to spite them.
And u should not forget that Gachapon used to be to have Insects in them. (They are basicly Pokeballs) xD
And why they used insects back then in Gachapon? Because kids in Japan catch bugs and let them fight each other, oh wait its basicly POKEMON in RL before pokemon existed. xD
Everyone palworld mechanics came from craftopia that was out in 2020 way before pokemon had their game mechanics out in 2022 lol this lawsuit is stupid
Craftopia had the mechanic before legends Arceus, even existed. Craftopia is pocketpairs first game, and came out before Legends
A Sony v. Nintendo battle just because Nintendo didn't like Palworld stealing the spotlight would be insane. I would spend my entire life savings to watch that
Imagine if the Devs for A Hat In Time Patented Platforming and killed Super Mario games in the process. That's tragically what Nintendo is doing.
But palworld is also made in Japan so they would be hurting the money flow that is also coming to Japan so why would they sue them? But still I don't support Nintendo suing palworld over this and I hope palworld wins in court.
trust me, its even worse. nintendouce filed these patents AFTER palworld came out for the sole purpose of suing them
I'm sorry y'all are just salty your china knock off game is about to emd
I saw a lot Western/American commenters saying racist stuff against Japanese people and the country of Japan just because of this Palworld drama. This is so ridiculous and people should be ashamed. It's just a game that copied a other game and people get emotional over that and make it look bigger than this whole lawsuit is. It doesn't affect the whole gaming industry. Ironically Palworld is Japanese too. Wtf.
Pokemon and Palworld Could have been the Friendly Rivalry the industry needed to step up their games and really improve their product... instead they choose to be Team Rocket and try to take everything from people... and stomp out anything it sees as competition.... they are Horrible... I loved Pokemon since the Red/blue/Yellow/Green Days... but this Malicious attack on Palword... no.. they lost my love and adoration...
At the end of the day, winning or losing the court case doesn't matter. This is a show of force... its Mind Control/Manipulation... they will maintain their Monopoly over this Genre and they bleed any company that attempts to challenge them to death to maintain it. Their Broad Patent strokes are proof of that...
Considering Palworld just recently launched on PS5, obviously Nintendo is in the same position as Pocket Pair, fighting an uphill battle. Nintendo has managed to one-up Sony in consoles twice and has almost always one-upped Sony in games, but considering Sony managed to crush the N64, the GameCube and the Wii U, obviously Sony is going to give Nintendo some trouble considering how much money Palworld will make in sales.
Am sorry but it isn't a Time thing with Gamefreak anymore, they haven't even figured out 3D game development on a console fully and it shows in their games. Can they make something fun and enjoyable yes, will it be new and innovative, possibly, will it look great? No. Ever since Gamefreak hit the Switch their games have had a lack in quality that isn't just a product of time constraints, if anything it's become harder for them to hide just how much they were winging it with their game designs on the Gameboy and DS. Hackers have picked apart thei games and have seen how out dated their development techniques are and how wasteful they are with Memory. Gens 1-5 had one man on the team that actually knew his shit and knew how to compress files, he was the sole reason gen 2 had two regions. After gen 5 he left and eventually passed away. My hot take is Gamefreak needs to clean house and hire people that know what they're doing and stop being stubborn about doing it the way they've always done things. Gen 9 was enjoyable but it had a vast amount of room for much needed improvement and not just the bugs. People will say graphics don't matter, but the reality is they do to some degree and for those that say they don't, you've just admitted you'd play the game whether it looked like garbage or mind blowingly amazing. Ultimately Gamefreak is being kept alive today because of their fluke with pokemon, without Pokemon they'd have faded away in this industry a long time ago. And now they're hiding behind Nintendo who is just as guilty of not enforcing quality control on Gamefreak, because it's making their system look bad.
It's gamefreak it 100 percent will not be new or innovative.
Oh yeah Mega Evo was Digimon
Shin Megami Tensei has been around long before Pokemon where you have a "mon" team, too.
Weirdly enough, Palworld and Eternal Darkness are in the same boat to me; Nintendo still has a hold on the "Sanity Meter" in that game as far as I know. 😭
Yokai Watch is responsible for so many things I hate about Gen 6+ games.
Rotom was cool until Gen 6, poor bastard was inbred into every device it shouldn't be in.
I still love Rotom as a species, but _fuck_ the Dex and Phones.
Companies are allowed to protect their intellectual property like brands, worlds, stories and character designs. That's totally fine by me, but it should NOT be allowed to patent basic game mechanics like throwing a ball to capture a monster. Games have always looked for inspiration in other genres, games, the real world, science, etc. That's how some of the best games we have today came to be and Pokemon is no exception as explained in the video. It just comes of as very malicious ans scummy to sue when they feel threatened by another companies success
The first "Monster Taming" game was "Megami Tensei," the first SMT game, in 1986 ten years before Pokemon, there was also Dragon Quest 5 from 1994, Two years before Pokemon
Sony and Microsoft both have invested in Palworld, it was a game pass exclusive for a long time and So y is wanting to produce an anime, so I wonder what's gonna happen with the situation involving them
Originally the pokeball was literally a Gachapon Capsule and the series was gonna be called "Capsule Monsters"
That should not be patented. They should not be able to patent a feature to recruit characters to your party members.
Tbh, I feel like a good portion of the Japanese market are biased for Nintendo. There have been plenty of times where Nintendo has broken the "honor code" but ppl look past it since they make "good" games. It's just an excuse to justify Nintendo's gatekeeping.
The Game Boy Advance was when Gamefreak ran out of excuses for not giving all the monsters voice actors.
The Nintendo DS, that is, a generation later, was when they ran out of excuses for not putting in full sound.
21:00 the thing is here... (Not that I am dismissing the argument!!) but, who cares? Nintendo has enough money, goodwill and brand recognition that this "hit to their rep" is a drop in the bucket. People will still line up around the block for their new pokemon game, doubly so if there's no competition. People didn't much like the new Zelda game, yet bought part 2 in DROVES.
The number of people who stop buying Nintendo IPs won't even *register* with Nintendo. As far as they're concerned, this has ONLY upsides, and the only way we can convince them otherwise is not to buy their games. .... which we won't do.
Love him or hate him, Asmongold was right - "Every outrage, boycott and promise never to buy another game is one, three-minute trailer away from being over."
What nintendo is doing is SCUM of the highest order, but when it comes down to numbers and brass tacks, they stand only to gain from this - and both their lawyers and their PR reps know this.
Buddy ill let you know i got a japanese or korean or chinese pokemon ad from this video btw i have it screenshot
I think this isn't about Patents, this is about fear and GameFreak.
Scarlet/Violet are abysmally designed in optimization, this team has struggled with this yet were unable to get a time extension. Normally teams would get help or get a time extension (Tears of the Kingdom) which implies Nintendo or The Pokemon Company are responsible for rushing and declining quality while refusing to offer funding.
GameFreak would likely face repercussions for this and Nintendo would hire or replace them with better Devs, which in turn means the now jobless ex-employees would have incentive to speak out against Nintendo.
Imagine this: "If I was respectful and kept working I'd get fired, if I tried to save the series from this and show children and customers respect I'd get fired." If this kind of thing came to light it could destroy Nintendo's reputation with its own people.
A trademark isn't a patent. If you don't defend your trademark then you will lose it.
For instance, the name Pokemon is a trademark. That's why Pokemon Uranium (and other fan games) are cracked down on so hard, because if Nintendo and the Pokemon Company don't defend that trademark, then everyone will be able to call their game "Pokemon".
A patent on the other hand doesn't have to be defended. You can allow others to use it, or turn a blind eye, or come after people who use it... all at your discretion. For as long as you hold the patent, it's yours.
And to answer your question... no. Game mechanics absolutely should not be able to be patented.
Not to mention the creator of dragon ball Z also had a part in Pokemon and a few games game like dragon quest so that makes sense that it looks similar to Pokemon but Nintendo was completely fine with that. Plus they been many times in the past where Nintendo would rush to develop a game to release over holidays.
My favorite Monster Capture games are Coromon and Cassette Beasts and Pokemon Uranium!
Pokemon is on Switch, while Palworld is on other systems!
Nintendo sees Palword as their biggest threat, especially since Sony has now partnered with Pocket Pair and planning on expanding the Palword universe to media and merchandise.
Its nintendo that is sueing bringing a long pokemon , not like pokemon company sueing palworld themselves. Also dragon quest 2 probably are closely related to nintendo as well so no sueing between them 🤣
Nothing more than an attempt to stifle competition, because Pocket Pair joining with Sony is a threat to The Pokemon Company.
Should tell Jill why Sony has bad blood with Nintendo >w>
Fishing rod's Plastic Floats looks like pokeballs,
and you throw those.
If the patent is only enforceable in Japan then wouldn’t this only affect the Japanese market? Definitely pretty petty from Nintendo . All because they been upstaged by this little developer.
I think they would change it regardless. If Nintendo wins in Japan they can use it to help their case in other countries.
@@Nicky-zz8np I doubt that it would. It wouldn’t be enforceable in Western markets which is the biggest market by far. Plus, keep in mind games and movies do edit their content for release in certain markets. It’s going to take many years for this to play out. They could either edit the game specifically for the Japanese market or take the game out of the Japanese market altogether if it’s only a small fraction of the sales.
It sounds like the plan is to put Palworld out of business so Nintendo can make a pokemon survival game.
I believe the patent system is garbage, and the copyright system is garbage, too.
Don't you also use guns to catch the monsters in Palworld? You don't do that in Pokemon.
that patent could be easily abused due to all the other monster catching games
Its clearly bullying, they didn't say anything regarding the gameplay during Palworld's release, they only cared about the design of the monsters/creatures at that time, but because they couldn't sue them over Pals design they decided to switch to gameplay mechanics(which they post many of them but they still didn't know which one to use against Pocket Pair), so far most people think that its "throwing an item(they didn't mention if its a ball or not) to capture monsters" which is something most game are using as part of their gameplay.
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I honestly most they exactly the same are a sterch.
Z-Moves being inspired by Yokai Watch and Mega Evolutions being inspired by Digimon are kinda a huge deal for someone who doesn't want people making things inspired by Pokemon
Nexomon is another Pokemon like game.
They literally trying to own the concept of casting a shadow in the shade, this is insane.
According to them, they already DO own it. That's what's crazy. We don't think you should be able to own mechanics like this.
Don't forget, Palworld is on Xbox as well, so Microsoft has skin in this game too. With M$ and Sony money backing them, Pocket Pair coukd fight this litigation for months and years on end.
True, we forgot about the Microsoft Game Pass deal they had for a bit. Is there another deal beyond that with Microsoft?
Most stuff I’ve been hearing is that these patents, that are assumed to be the ones that are being used in the lawsuit, were made for Legends Arceus. Like there’s one for the mount system (I believe for the transition between Run, Fly, Swim). Nintendo likes to patent a lot of nitpicky things for their games.
I still find the whole situation extremely stupid though. (I only basically heard about the whole situation fully like yesterday so correct me if I’m wrong).
Yet they stay far away from digimon
digimon really is different in so many ways.
though i think they tried to hit digimon once and lost.
correct me if i m wrong
Digimon has absolutely nothing to do with pokémon.
Compare Digimon World from the PS1 vs Pokémon Red&Blue, night & day difference.
Along with how different the franchises are, you have to also remember Nintendo and Bandai have a very close working relationship. There's no point in burning bridges. Palworld is off on its own island though with no relationship with Nintendo.
Digimon along with other monster franchises needs to make a comeback.
I gave this video a like. This wasn’t a rant and gave a fair analysis. Appreciate that this was more like a discussion
Thank you I try my best to keep my videos fair and to analyze things rather than just get angry
If that rule was like… let’s say 1995, 3D games no other games would do it cause Nintendo didn’t 1st what i understand and so on
Honestly I would rather hope that Microsoft buy it because then it won't be held down as an exclusive.
Because Nintendo also got hit with Patentwhoring by some companies over the Wii series and the Switch. So it's pretty bass ackwards for Nintendo to then do the same to others, especially when they're making patents AFTER THE FACT and trying to retroactively sue Palworld.
This boils down to Nintendos greed they care about money and that's it they aren't sueing for copyright infringement they are sueing because they are mad about the success the game had early on and decided that they would just be Nintendo and do Nintendo things like try to ruin anyone who creates something even slightly something they created they claim to be a family friendly company but we all know how cruel they are to anyone who crosses them no matter how minor they will sue you for so much money that you and your family will be in debt to Nintendo for generations your great great great grandkids will still be paying Nintendo and their great grandkids will still be paying Nintendo while Nintendo just sits back laughing they are almost mr krabs level of greedy
The same Nintendo that sold defective Joy-Sticks right? no be real talk let's be honest the Pokémon series is in heavy decline and GameFreak is in a very scares situation. How ever tho I actually predicted this before hand honestly I'd love if PlayStation acquired a "Kirby Parody" series I can't wait for my fellow Kirby fans to scream "Then stop neglecting the series ffs"
Now I'm in full support of Palworld & PlayStation alliance if Nintendo doesn't want to except some series are meant to die off and experiment more with others then let PlayStation take all their fans also Nintendo needs to stop being afraid of firing Dev's and Directors let this be the wake up call.
Remember Nintendo was first a card and gambling yakaz befor it was a video game company! So There more in line to team R. Also their like Disney and WB, just greed!
I do hope Sony does back Pocket Pair in this engagement, as much as I enjoy Nintendo's game franchises, they are getting too cocky as of late with all these bans on fun from fan games just wanting to spread the joy they had for pokemon or mario and what not, to now trying to screw over palworld with a stupid lawsuit.
Get your shit together Nintendo.
Mega Evolution = Digivolution from Digimon. It's essentially the act of evolving during battle to become stronger and then reverting after battle. Digimon has done that for years.
Id argue pokemon has been trash since gen 6. Ever since i learned that they kill fan projects i stopped sypporting nintendo. 20 years i have sailed the high seas and I'll continue to do so. My kids will be taught to hate nintendo for generations to come.
5:20 cause Japan is a country so corporated that prefer to off their entire population than even considering to bend their mistakes a bit. Which is what started happening in the west the last 5-7 years as well
And i hope Nintendon't to go bankrupt forever
PalWorld brought a new take on the Pocket Monster genre, which I find a lot of fun as far as how I found out about this game was all the youtubers I watched. The internet is a powerful tool. When enough people showcase a game, the word gets around fast.
i see it as a monopolization attempt by Nintendo
Not only did Nintendo not invent the ball capturing mechanism, but Nintendo can get sued for stealing designs from classic dragon quest, gen 1 pokemon designs were ripped straight from dragon quest, Nintendo didnt even try to hide it, it was a direct copy and paste.
Smt was the first monster catcher by nearly 10 years before pokemon just saying
So basically nintendo is being a giant baby just because pocketpai, a much smaller game dev studio is using the same idea of throw [catching item] at [creature] to catch [creature] and use [creature] to battle? Wow. Just wow. That's like if sega tried to sue every company that tried to rival sonic because a smaller company made a platformer where you play as a anthro animal and that game suddenly blew up. I hope that sony and microsoft help pocketpair out in this lawsuit. Make this a lesson for nintendo because they should leave something that might push them to making a higher quality pokemon games, not sue them. Sure some pals might look close to pokemon but they aren't just "oh hey lthat's that lycanroc pokemon! let me just take it with no changes and slap it into a mobile game and name it rockdog! No one will recognize it!" They have changed them. Sure the grass rabbit might look similar to cinderace but it's different enough, same with direhowl, for me it looks different enough from lycanroc, even if it's too close to the pokemon, i would argue that it's hard to make a feral wolf creature look like a fantasy creature that's not infringing (can't spell, eglish is not my first language) on pokemon's look of lycanroc and is not too close to looking like wolf/dog in our world.. And i'm on Palworld's side. Palworld is just os much fun, even if i died like 10 times to pals 20 levels higher than me and my pals
Despite me liking Pokèmon, I really hope that Pokémon lose the lawsuit or else the damage to other monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, TemTem, Chaotic, or Moshi Monsters is permanent.
People needs to realize that Pokèmon doesn't own the word "monster taming genre".
Pokèmon needs to have some friendly competition.
Nintendo has been way too complacent for years and they somehow forgot how to make something unique and enjoyable like they did before... 😭
150+ patents for me
To be patent troll maser's my nin-ten-destiny
I'm a huge pokemon fan for the record but the fact that Nintendo and the pokemon company had to go make 2 new pattens in secret this year just so the had a legual reason to sue paleworld shows the public Nintendo and the pokemon company fear the possibility and petencal of paleworld. If Nintendo win basied off of what their trying to sue for then assians creed devs could patten the opening up the map and POI by looking from a high place then use nintendo and the zelda franchise. To be frank if Nintendo win thos it give all gams devs from AAA and indy to patten ideas and concepts and game play machinics in secret so the can weaponise it agest other game devs and companys in other worlds if Nintendo win the case the have opened pandora's box and this could set the stage for gaming industry to sabotage and colapse in on Itself causing the end of gaming as a hole Nintendo and the pokemon company have used non nintdeo game machinic and ideas used from small and massive game franchises. We all know Nintendo and the Pokémon company have zero issue with trying to sabotage other by any and all means including but not limited to slander,bribery,lieing,cheating,stealing corprage sabatage and Intidiasion. Im sorry but if Nintendo wins it may be the end for the gaming industry becase all company will start making pattens in secret that can use to ruin or sabotage other gane franchises and ot will lead to a cycle of game companys trying to ruin other fracnises and eliminating the competition and by doing so limite the amount of game made and the typs of games forcing game devs to risk getting sued by other for patten infringement that the didn't know about. I hate the fact Nintendo and the pokemon company stooped to making pattens insecret and waiting till paleworld hype died down bassicly waiting till paleworld was at its most venerable showing the predatory sleezs of both Nintendo and the pokemon company. I hate hypritical bs Nintendo and the pokemon company useing ideas game machinics and otber franchises ideas to boost themselves without any backlash but the instant otber do what Nintendo and the pokemon company has been doing for years its a issue.