a 3 for speed? thats some obvious bias for Matthews...you gave the 33 a 4 in speed and its slower than the Ethos and way below its rated speed. The Lift 33 is shooting 13 fps slower than rated n the Ethos is 10 fps slower on the higher left off. You dont even try to shoot this bow at the manufacturers spec at 80% let off but you gave the Lift 33 an imaginary 3 - 4 fps speed bump if it was 80 let off. Your reviews are not consistent.
It’s was slow at 70 pounds but at 80 it’s is a completely different bow I think they designed it more for 75 or 80# DW it shouldn’t pick up much more speed for 10 pounds but at 70 I was like why is the cam and hump so harsh to be that slow them switched mods it felt better and went to moving
A review of the review! Who out there is doing better reviews? Please do tell. Bias for mathews because he gave it a 3? Maybe there is a bias in your thought process.
Hey man the draw length is adjustable in 1/4” increments. So you can set the draw length at 29.75” and set the let off at 85% or 90% and wallah! An actual draw length of 30”. That is a feature almost no other system has. I appreciate your reviews and dedication thanks.
I know you probably wont see this comment but i have watched and thoroughly enjoyed most of them and this is the only one i have ever seen you adjust or semi explain letoff and draw length.
MFJJ, I greatly appreciate you crushing an initial review of this bow as soon as it’s released. Also a very thorough run through for a quick review 👌🏼🔥 all good info with no fluff.
I'm an Elite fanboy. I thought that was objective. I'm glad they are moving towards longer ATA personally. I have an Omnia and an ERA. If they came out with a 33 ATA carbon bow I would consider selling both of those to buy it.
41 seconds in, this is the bow I've been waiting for from Elite and I really hope the lighting in this video gets better. Just a small criticism, set the draw weight BEFORE the recording starts, then show the weight later. End of the vid edit. I really like and appreciate the thoroughness of these reviews and am looking forward to all the others. This is a great time of year for a lot reasons, bow releases being just one. That said, just set the draw weight off camera.
Let me start by saying I like what you guys are doing. The archery community needs these videos. With that said. Who is running the camera and doing your editing?
The infinite letoff and 1/4" draw length adjustments are kind of interesting compared to other companies. Bowtechs deadlock tuning system is the best, but the moving limb pockets is interesting. Options of cable or limb stop could help some. It's the bow for people that like to tinker
Elite SET is a simplistic yoke tune and and bowtech is a simplistic cam shimming. Both are great to have easy access to. I haven't had any problems with my elite omnia after 4400 shots and my SET is still at dead center. But given I had problems I can use the set and breakdown and add shims. With bowtech you can only use deadlock. I dont see the last two years elite bows in the same league as bowtech imo. After shooting both I would hands down compare elite as a top tier manufacturer and would say bowtech is doing a darn good job trying to be top tier. The SR350 had a horrible draw on performance and it wasn't actually fast at all, the sr350 was pitiful as a speed bow and I wouldn't even consider it a speed bow. Id easily spend my hard earned money on an elite over a bowtech as they hit the same price points.
Very useful review. Thank you. We run a retail / bow shop in Wyoming and we're selling Elite. They've been an awesome bow for us. Again, excellent review.
I like the format. I’m not brand a loyal guy, but elite, bowtech, and pse do have my interest with their tuning systems. Be interesting to see if Hoyt and Mathews try and adapt some sort of simplified tuning system in the near future.
hoyt and mathew's don't give a rip about tuning??? are you joking?, spend 60$ on top hats plus press time. They spend fat stacks advertising all their wizbang accessories to sucker ppl in. Mathew's doesn't even give a rip about draw length adjustments just give them 60$ per module and be happy. oh and replace their totally garbage zebra strings after 500 shots.... and if you have problems with your hoyt they can offer no warranty on anything that typically fails. I'm a high volume shooter and will not own a hoyt or mathew's again until they make some changes. Elite omnia 4400 shots no issues whatsoever still shooting bullet holes. Do that with your hoyt or mathew's....I own both hoyt and mathew;''s and am not impressed at all with either for different reasons.
@@tsi-rocket4144 I don’t currently own a bow. Sold mine last year and have been too occupied/busy with life events to even think about hunting this year. I was just simply observing the fact that other manufacturers are making their bows more user friendly, and would be curious to see if Mathew’s and Hoyt follow suit. One would reason to believe they should, or their sales could suffer. Guy’s such as myself that aren’t brand loyal will likely venture into other platforms. Like I said, Bowtech, Elite, and PSE are definitely my top picks for next year, hopefully.
@@jorrick66 After buying modules for my mathew's and tops hats to tune it plus strings, and its the bow ive shot the least out of the 4 I have right now. I got a little upset. The two carbon hoyts I had to yoke tune and play with advancing the cams to get proper bullet holes. The first one led me down the path of buying the stuff and tuning my own bows after paying for press time over and over. I looked at bowtech and elite early this year and settled on elite because the omnia actually had decent speed and had a better draw than the bowtech sr350. My next bow will not be a speed bow, its too hard on my body to shoot daily. I have a couple bows on my radar right now but need to sell my mathew's and hoyts first. I shoot enough to have problems so I keep an extra bow or two ready to hunt with, i dont need 4. Id be happy if hoyt and mathew's would step into easier tuning and mathew's having adjustable modules but they seem to be more focused on brand loyalty, marketing, and fancy accessories that are expensive.
You said this Bow has a lot of reflex? I have not seen the Bow other than on here but to me the riser looks like it has very little reflex I think you said it had 2.5 is that considered a lot? I don't know my old eyes could be playing tricks on me I definitely can't see as good as I used to 20 years ago so I could be totally wrong here.. lol
I wish there was some baseline for those of us whom are not initiated with the metered measument on the vibration scale. Perhaps using a bow from last year that we are familiar with to compare these new bows. Just a recommendation. It can simply be said, we tested x it came out at x just fir comparison. Thanks
I don’t shoot Bear or Elite. But my one critique would be that you seemed to be more charitable to Elite than Bear. I think it’s well understood that Elite makes a better bow than Bear so higher scores make sense, but you dinged Bear for things which you kind of looked over on the Elite. Your speed measurement was at different let-offs between the two, and you gave Elite the draw length score advantage but you had to adjust let-off to do so. Bears have adjustable let-off as well and you didn’t bother adjusting it for either category in their favor.
He’s human and I agree I see his bias in a lot of things but it’s his channel , josh has always hated in bear , Athens or any bows he doesn’t sale or sale a lot of
I pick up my new Ethos in a few days. The draw and how soft it shoots wine me over. Just a pleasure to shoot. Almost went bowtech but with a shit shoulder the elite wine me over.
Hello Josh I'm looking to buy Elite Omnia 32. I just watched the Elite Ethos video your always saying about long reflex on most bows. What should the reflex should be to a good forgiving bows
I was in the same spot.i chose the ethos based off of how the grip fit my hand and the back wall( loved the slightly spongy back wall for pulling threw my shots)
It looked like you were at 70lb draw weight 17lb holding weight so roughly ~76% let off. It looks like elite does their IBO testing at 80% let off, is that 4% difference enough to get you closer to the advertised 340FPS IBO? Thanks for doing these tests, making this quantitative is awesome. I'd love to see a master sheet or something available with all of the values you've tested comparing all the bows you've tested during a year.
@@nevereverbeendonebefore not sure if that is true, I believe if you increase the let off on bow in most cases, it will slightly increase the draw length, therefore increasing the speed
@@patrickzawadzki293let off and speed are inversely correlated. Less let off equals more speed(slightly) and more let off equals less speed. Every bow. All the time.
Awesome that’s one of my wish list bows. Mathew’s lift, Hoyt RX8, Alpha X30, or the Ethos, I will be coming there to buy one of those bows. Probably at the camp that your setting up if I get in. Either way I’m coming to buy from the master like I’ve been buying from thanks for the review. Coming from New York.
i think you can drop the vibration test as it seems you dont really understand it too well and it doesnt seem to prove much,,replace it with some out door long shots to prove the stability and hold on target....
Love the reviews, but why are you leaving the moments when the camera is turned sideways at the wall or the floor and nothing is happening instead of editing them out? Just curious
Format is great. If people don’t like the way you’re doing it, tell them to do their own review! I watched last years review, tell them to piss off. If you want fluff and excitement then go see a salesman. Great job! Facts.
I see a lot on the PSE Omen being super stable for the short bridge. Is this possibly from a short reflex? I would love to see your review on it and reviews on speed bows.
What bow offers better tunability than elite? Elite SET is a simplified yoke tune that still allows the cams to be shimmed and the cable guard can be moved. Bowtech offers deadlock which is shimming without the ability to yoke tune? So who makes a better tuning option than elite? because I'm interested in that bow? I look at bow's tunability and literally have no idea who offers better tunability than elite because if I knew of someone I would be looking at their bows right now? I guess you've never spent hours tuning a hoyt carbon defiant turbo or a hoyt rx4 turbo which are well know to be a bear to tune(simple google search will prove me right). I spent a lot of money getting my carbon defiant turbo "tuned" as well as my rx4 turbo and ended up buying the equipment and tuning them myself. I also had to spend the extra 60$ to buy tophats for my mathew's. I don't make the rules or the bows but I have to deal with the problems they present. My omnia has shot 4500 arrows never needing any adjustment to the SET with stock strings and I clicker counter my shots. I also shoot qad exodus and hold 3" groups at 60yds so I'm not shooting mechanicals which makes a huge difference in how a bow is tuned. I will admit I draw 28.75" and my cams don't hit my cables but I can see how ppl had issues with 29.5+ because the cam gets dang close to the cables. I have had major problems tuning bows and its probably because of hoyt's sub par bows I own which is probably just my luck because the hoyt rx7 my good friend owns is a phenomenal bow. I'm a high volume shooter and expect durability and ease of tuning out of my bow and elite has done that fore me.
I have the Kure... no idea how you dont give them a 5 on the backwall. I would like a new bow and just cant find anything measurably better than the Kure with a solid back wall and CAMO. the PSE Shootdown maybe... just cant bite the bullet on that price without shooting it and cant find one to shoot
Your testing the vibration of the sight not the bow....sights flex and twist quiet a bit at the shot....moving it fathers out the sight will flex more...if your sensor attached to the sight..then you measuring the vibration and movement of the sight
My preliminay feedback on this review system is: find a way to separate your "bow company honesty" and your "objective performance" metrics. There are things that can be measured objectively that will relate to a bow's performance relative to other bows: Draw Cycle/Force Curve, Actual Arrow Speed, Riser Geometry, Vibration, Features, Noise, etc. This is obviously a crazy example, but if a bow company claims that their IBO speed is 360, and it comes in at 332, you would give it a bad score because the company has been dishonest. But does it really deserve a bad score for "speed"? If other companies claim their (similar) bows IBO at 330 and they actually shoot at 320 - you'd score them higher than the bow that actually shoots much faster.
On the draw weight, perhaps drawing three times and averaging it might be a consideration. I know that with mine, it will vary slightly each draw depending on force applied. Alternatively, weight checked on a draw board might be a little more consistent.
I don't know how you feel about speed bows but I would love to see a review on the PSE Omen with the E2 cam. I know they're not a lot of peoples cup of tea but I shoot them well and think it might be my next bow
I recently went into my local bow shop to get new string. I talked about getting a new bow and I thought about getting the new Mathews lift but run up on the ethos. What would your choice be? I would like to note that I have never owned either. Always being Pse but looking to go in a "Newer" direction. Thanks
Mfjj I like your videos but I do believe you are a little biased. When you did the bear review their draw length came in at 30.5 and elite came in at 30.03 and you took the let off all the way down on the elite and gave them the 30.01 and said they were almost spot on and you never took the bear down to lowest let off setting and checked it. You I believe called them liars on that in that video. Just saying if you are going to that for one do it for all.
Having actually met him and talked to him for multiple hours on multiple occasions I can tell you he is probly the most un-biased guy in archery out there.
I’d like to know how this doesn’t get 5 out of 5 on tune ability? No other bow has this many options in tuning. It has SET technology and the LTR system and also has shims. It literally has every type of way to tune a bow lol
Elite has all these things, and yet you still have to shim the cams, and, it is multiple little shims, not 2 shims ( 1 on each side ). Even with the Omnia, after shimming twice, I couldn't use all the SET adjustment without cable and cam contact. I can understand the trepidation to give them a high score on adjustability when it is a real headache to shim these bows and the SET still not function as advertised.
@@o.n.e.wayhunting The era never had them issues and this bow is suppose to have all that fixed as well. But what it boils down to is just sloppy grip. I’ve seen cable rub on bowtech before. Fix/adjust your grip and problem solved
@@buckshot2614yeah, the first batch(s) of the Omnia had the cable rub issue, but even there, most of em could be tuned out with SET and sometimes shim.. didn't read about the same with the Era...
@@buckshot2614grip is maybe the biggest issue when paper tuning (I've invested hours as a newbie, before balancing it right with the right weight setup on stabilizers doing the trick).
Great video. Would the tags still on the bow effect vibration score? On the draw weight what's the +/- of the scale? Draw weight check averages? Just asking 😊. Keep the video rolling. I'm still waiting on my call for the bow giveaway 😂
I'm from Pa and I don't hate you actually think everything you do is amazing and so knowledgeable you help me so much many diff times but maybe you could stand on one foot while chewing bubble gum during the shooting parts or just wear a pink hat for me then I'll know your not bullshit and you actually do read these lmao I just had to say something ridiculous and see what I might get but no joke thank you so much brother!
Features a 1🤷♂️ tunable limbs & roller guard? Seems a bit harsh. 3/5 seems more fair. Wider limb pockets longer riser 1/4” adjustments . Addable limb stop included. Don’t be a hater Mr.Jones
Yeah, that was a surprise, what would be there besides the bigger draw weight adjustment range with moduls, like the new Mathews and an integrated rail for sights?
I knew you said your testing all bows at the same 80% But for the speed wouldn't they have gotta higher say an extra 4 or 5 fps and earned a 4out of 5??
Do you realize this is the only bow that has 1/4" draw length adjustability? That's huge and you can tune your limbs in the pockets to get a perfect bullet hole paper tune, This bow has better overall features than a Mathews.
Watching the elite enkore recently, like a lot of times … lol to watching this video is awesome brother … you and Tim’s content / archery videos are some of my personal favorite on instagram plus RUclips,, thank you guys for all you do
I would say the videos are to long now, I would recommend you to fill the white board and total the numbers off camera and then just do a summary explaining the reason you gave the score. It should bring your video length back down. It would look better for the subscribers. Just a thought. Still enjoy your content, just my opinion!
1-5 rating needs to be a 10 point system. A 1 or 2 is a bad score. I feel it would not differentiate bows enough. If anyone is looking to your reviews for help on seeing which bows might be better. Or go with .5. Don’t hate me. I really appreciate your role in getting people into archery. & yes I am a NY guy. I bought a V3X because of you. It does feel good ,when you feel your keeping $$$ in house. Keep up the good work guy. 😂Rate your pizza & bagels bro 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤ from NY
You are testing so many things, it's hard to even think of what else you could do on the test. Maybe a subjective test on ease of letting down from full draw?
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a 3 for speed? thats some obvious bias for Matthews...you gave the 33 a 4 in speed and its slower than the Ethos and way below its rated speed. The Lift 33 is shooting 13 fps slower than rated n the Ethos is 10 fps slower on the higher left off. You dont even try to shoot this bow at the manufacturers spec at 80% let off but you gave the Lift 33 an imaginary 3 - 4 fps speed bump if it was 80 let off. Your reviews are not consistent.
Yep could not agree more it's the same every year.
Your not wrong...
Elite >
It’s was slow at 70 pounds but at 80 it’s is a completely different bow I think they designed it more for 75 or 80# DW it shouldn’t pick up much more speed for 10 pounds but at 70 I was like why is the cam and hump so harsh to be that slow them switched mods it felt better and went to moving
A review of the review! Who out there is doing better reviews? Please do tell. Bias for mathews because he gave it a 3? Maybe there is a bias in your thought process.
Hey man the draw length is adjustable in 1/4” increments. So you can set the draw length at 29.75” and set the let off at 85% or 90% and wallah! An actual draw length of 30”.
That is a feature almost no other system has.
I appreciate your reviews and dedication thanks.
I know you probably wont see this comment but i have watched and thoroughly enjoyed most of them and this is the only one i have ever seen you adjust or semi explain letoff and draw length.
I believe you can get the Ethos with 75 lb limbs also.
MFJJ, I greatly appreciate you crushing an initial review of this bow as soon as it’s released. Also a very thorough run through for a quick review 👌🏼🔥 all good info with no fluff.
I'm an Elite fanboy. I thought that was objective. I'm glad they are moving towards longer ATA personally. I have an Omnia and an ERA. If they came out with a 33 ATA carbon bow I would consider selling both of those to buy it.
It's official! The archery industry has run out of good names for new bows.
No kiddin who at elite decided that the best they could come up with is "ethos"!!! A 3rd grader could come up with a cooler name for a bow🤣😂
It's probably easier for you to say you're uneducated
I think you should adjust the draw weight before the vibration test.
41 seconds in, this is the bow I've been waiting for from Elite and I really hope the lighting in this video gets better. Just a small criticism, set the draw weight BEFORE the recording starts, then show the weight later.
End of the vid edit. I really like and appreciate the thoroughness of these reviews and am looking forward to all the others. This is a great time of year for a lot reasons, bow releases being just one. That said, just set the draw weight off camera.
Let me start by saying I like what you guys are doing. The archery community needs these videos. With that said. Who is running the camera and doing your editing?
This video was rushed for sure they’re trying to beat Lancaster to RUclips 😂
Thanks for ruining the video for me lol. Can't watch this because the camera is moving around so much, set up a tripod and be done with it.
Tim, Stop making everyone camera sick. haha. MFJJ great as always. Thank you for taking the time for the people.
The infinite letoff and 1/4" draw length adjustments are kind of interesting compared to other companies. Bowtechs deadlock tuning system is the best, but the moving limb pockets is interesting. Options of cable or limb stop could help some. It's the bow for people that like to tinker
Elite SET is a simplistic yoke tune and and bowtech is a simplistic cam shimming. Both are great to have easy access to. I haven't had any problems with my elite omnia after 4400 shots and my SET is still at dead center. But given I had problems I can use the set and breakdown and add shims. With bowtech you can only use deadlock. I dont see the last two years elite bows in the same league as bowtech imo. After shooting both I would hands down compare elite as a top tier manufacturer and would say bowtech is doing a darn good job trying to be top tier. The SR350 had a horrible draw on performance and it wasn't actually fast at all, the sr350 was pitiful as a speed bow and I wouldn't even consider it a speed bow. Id easily spend my hard earned money on an elite over a bowtech as they hit the same price points.
@@tsi-rocket4144ty for the comment I'm drawn between the bow tech core SS and the elite, I'm leaning towards elite
It's draw length is adjustable in 1/4s
Definitely would like to give Elite a shot!
Very useful review. Thank you. We run a retail / bow shop in Wyoming and we're selling Elite. They've been an awesome bow for us. Again, excellent review.
Tnx for doing a basic IBO speed test, i wish all the reviewers did the same. Stepping up from low to high re arrow weights too.
I like the format. I’m not brand a loyal guy, but elite, bowtech, and pse do have my interest with their tuning systems. Be interesting to see if Hoyt and Mathews try and adapt some sort of simplified tuning system in the near future.
hoyt and mathew's don't give a rip about tuning??? are you joking?, spend 60$ on top hats plus press time. They spend fat stacks advertising all their wizbang accessories to sucker ppl in. Mathew's doesn't even give a rip about draw length adjustments just give them 60$ per module and be happy. oh and replace their totally garbage zebra strings after 500 shots.... and if you have problems with your hoyt they can offer no warranty on anything that typically fails. I'm a high volume shooter and will not own a hoyt or mathew's again until they make some changes. Elite omnia 4400 shots no issues whatsoever still shooting bullet holes. Do that with your hoyt or mathew's....I own both hoyt and mathew;''s and am not impressed at all with either for different reasons.
@@tsi-rocket4144 I don’t currently own a bow. Sold mine last year and have been too occupied/busy with life events to even think about hunting this year. I was just simply observing the fact that other manufacturers are making their bows more user friendly, and would be curious to see if Mathew’s and Hoyt follow suit. One would reason to believe they should, or their sales could suffer. Guy’s such as myself that aren’t brand loyal will likely venture into other platforms. Like I said, Bowtech, Elite, and PSE are definitely my top picks for next year, hopefully.
@@jorrick66 After buying modules for my mathew's and tops hats to tune it plus strings, and its the bow ive shot the least out of the 4 I have right now. I got a little upset. The two carbon hoyts I had to yoke tune and play with advancing the cams to get proper bullet holes. The first one led me down the path of buying the stuff and tuning my own bows after paying for press time over and over. I looked at bowtech and elite early this year and settled on elite because the omnia actually had decent speed and had a better draw than the bowtech sr350. My next bow will not be a speed bow, its too hard on my body to shoot daily. I have a couple bows on my radar right now but need to sell my mathew's and hoyts first. I shoot enough to have problems so I keep an extra bow or two ready to hunt with, i dont need 4. Id be happy if hoyt and mathew's would step into easier tuning and mathew's having adjustable modules but they seem to be more focused on brand loyalty, marketing, and fancy accessories that are expensive.
You said this Bow has a lot of reflex? I have not seen the Bow other than on here but to me the riser looks like it has very little reflex I think you said it had 2.5 is that considered a lot? I don't know my old eyes could be playing tricks on me I definitely can't see as good as I used to 20 years ago so I could be totally wrong here.. lol
@@JS-ji5blit's not alot of reflex at all. Most bows are an inch+ more than that
I wish there was some baseline for those of us whom are not initiated with the metered measument on the vibration scale. Perhaps using a bow from last year that we are familiar with to compare these new bows. Just a recommendation. It can simply be said, we tested x it came out at x just fir comparison. Thanks
Thank you mfjj I look forward to your videos every year on bow reviews! Probably the most honest person I’ve watch!
I don’t shoot Bear or Elite. But my one critique would be that you seemed to be more charitable to Elite than Bear.
I think it’s well understood that Elite makes a better bow than Bear so higher scores make sense, but you dinged Bear for things which you kind of looked over on the Elite. Your speed measurement was at different let-offs between the two, and you gave Elite the draw length score advantage but you had to adjust let-off to do so. Bears have adjustable let-off as well and you didn’t bother adjusting it for either category in their favor.
Was thinking the same thing!
Changing the left off increases the speed by 1 foot...
He’s human and I agree I see his bias in a lot of things but it’s his channel , josh has always hated in bear , Athens or any bows he doesn’t sale or sale a lot of
You should try to shoot them both you would be very surprised
Best reviews to date. Most reviews are so vanilla they sound the same. You have actual input
Check out backyard bows reviews. He's really good, too.
Thank you for all the effort you put into the testing of these products..
Josh, I really like your new review process. It gives an objective look at real performance. Very well done.
I pick up my new Ethos in a few days. The draw and how soft it shoots wine me over. Just a pleasure to shoot. Almost went bowtech but with a shit shoulder the elite wine me over.
Curious as to why you’d opt for shims as opposed to just using the SET tech?🤔
Shims to get close then set to get perfect. These bows come with shims for a reason.
Hello Josh I'm looking to buy Elite Omnia 32. I just watched the Elite Ethos video your always saying about long reflex on most bows. What should the reflex should be to a good forgiving bows
I believe you're supposed to loosen the limb pocket bolts before adjusting draw weight on elites. That may be why it was super finicky.
Would love to hear your thoughts between the Ethos and the SS34. That's the two I'm torn between.
I was in the same spot.i chose the ethos based off of how the grip fit my hand and the back wall( loved the slightly spongy back wall for pulling threw my shots)
Very thorough review IMO and fair . The numbers don't lie. Good looking bow. Best reviews on the RUclips. Keep em coming!
It looked like you were at 70lb draw weight 17lb holding weight so roughly ~76% let off. It looks like elite does their IBO testing at 80% let off, is that 4% difference enough to get you closer to the advertised 340FPS IBO? Thanks for doing these tests, making this quantitative is awesome.
I'd love to see a master sheet or something available with all of the values you've tested comparing all the bows you've tested during a year.
If anything it would be slower at 80%
@@nevereverbeendonebefore not sure if that is true, I believe if you increase the let off on bow in most cases, it will slightly increase the draw length, therefore increasing the speed
@@patrickzawadzki293let off and speed are inversely correlated. Less let off equals more speed(slightly) and more let off equals less speed. Every bow. All the time.
Another test you could potentially do is measure the string angle at full draw, or the length where the strings come off the cams ect
Awesome that’s one of my wish list bows. Mathew’s lift, Hoyt RX8, Alpha X30, or the Ethos, I will be coming there to buy one of those bows. Probably at the camp that your setting up if I get in. Either way I’m coming to buy from the master like I’ve been buying from thanks for the review. Coming from New York.
i think you can drop the vibration test as it seems you dont really understand it too well and it doesnt seem to prove much,,replace it with some out door long shots to prove the stability and hold on target....
Love the reviews, but why are you leaving the moments when the camera is turned sideways at the wall or the floor and nothing is happening instead of editing them out? Just curious
That bow seems great definitely going to try one wondering if they are dropping an other carbon this year seeing the era was very popular
They already said that there will be no new carbon for this year, just new colors for the Era.
Format is great. If people don’t like the way you’re doing it, tell them to do their own review! I watched last years review, tell them to piss off. If you want fluff and excitement then go see a salesman. Great job! Facts.
Really digging this format
Would it be possible to re review the Title now that you seem to have a review format dialled?
I see a lot on the PSE Omen being super stable for the short bridge. Is this possibly from a short reflex? I would love to see your review on it and reviews on speed bows.
Question for you MFJJ. Could you measure string angle? Would it change with draw length?
I have a question, are the cables in your sight picture at full draw ?
Thank you for taking the time to do these.
Shouldn't you be loosening the pocket screws before adjusting the limb bolts???
Why am I looking at an upside down leaf blower. How does the fridge and all the clutter play into this review.
Thanks for a great video, Can you please let us know if parts are made in China, like the ERA?
What bow offers better tunability than elite? Elite SET is a simplified yoke tune that still allows the cams to be shimmed and the cable guard can be moved. Bowtech offers deadlock which is shimming without the ability to yoke tune? So who makes a better tuning option than elite? because I'm interested in that bow? I look at bow's tunability and literally have no idea who offers better tunability than elite because if I knew of someone I would be looking at their bows right now? I guess you've never spent hours tuning a hoyt carbon defiant turbo or a hoyt rx4 turbo which are well know to be a bear to tune(simple google search will prove me right). I spent a lot of money getting my carbon defiant turbo "tuned" as well as my rx4 turbo and ended up buying the equipment and tuning them myself. I also had to spend the extra 60$ to buy tophats for my mathew's. I don't make the rules or the bows but I have to deal with the problems they present. My omnia has shot 4500 arrows never needing any adjustment to the SET with stock strings and I clicker counter my shots. I also shoot qad exodus and hold 3" groups at 60yds so I'm not shooting mechanicals which makes a huge difference in how a bow is tuned. I will admit I draw 28.75" and my cams don't hit my cables but I can see how ppl had issues with 29.5+ because the cam gets dang close to the cables. I have had major problems tuning bows and its probably because of hoyt's sub par bows I own which is probably just my luck because the hoyt rx7 my good friend owns is a phenomenal bow. I'm a high volume shooter and expect durability and ease of tuning out of my bow and elite has done that fore me.
I have the Kure... no idea how you dont give them a 5 on the backwall. I would like a new bow and just cant find anything measurably better than the Kure with a solid back wall and CAMO. the PSE Shootdown maybe... just cant bite the bullet on that price without shooting it and cant find one to shoot
Your testing the vibration of the sight not the bow....sights flex and twist quiet a bit at the shot....moving it fathers out the sight will flex more...if your sensor attached to the sight..then you measuring the vibration and movement of the sight
Solid review. I've never liked the feel of Elites. Always have been in the hoyt/pse crowd. Jonsing to see what the rest of the folks bring out.
My preliminay feedback on this review system is: find a way to separate your "bow company honesty" and your "objective performance" metrics.
There are things that can be measured objectively that will relate to a bow's performance relative to other bows: Draw Cycle/Force Curve, Actual Arrow Speed, Riser Geometry, Vibration, Features, Noise, etc.
This is obviously a crazy example, but if a bow company claims that their IBO speed is 360, and it comes in at 332, you would give it a bad score because the company has been dishonest. But does it really deserve a bad score for "speed"? If other companies claim their (similar) bows IBO at 330 and they actually shoot at 320 - you'd score them higher than the bow that actually shoots much faster.
On the draw weight, perhaps drawing three times and averaging it might be a consideration. I know that with mine, it will vary slightly each draw depending on force applied. Alternatively, weight checked on a draw board might be a little more consistent.
I don't know how you feel about speed bows but I would love to see a review on the PSE Omen with the E2 cam. I know they're not a lot of peoples cup of tea but I shoot them well and think it might be my next bow
I recently went into my local bow shop to get new string. I talked about getting a new bow and I thought about getting the new Mathews lift but run up on the ethos. What would your choice be? I would like to note that I have never owned either. Always being Pse but looking to go in a "Newer" direction. Thanks
Mfjj I like your videos but I do believe you are a little biased. When you did the bear review their draw length came in at 30.5 and elite came in at 30.03 and you took the let off all the way down on the elite and gave them the 30.01 and said they were almost spot on and you never took the bear down to lowest let off setting and checked it. You I believe called them liars on that in that video. Just saying if you are going to that for one do it for all.
Having actually met him and talked to him for multiple hours on multiple occasions I can tell you he is probly the most un-biased guy in archery out there.
How does reflex effect a bow? Never heard that been mentioned or measured before
The less reflex there is, the less it’s likely to be torqued by the archer. Makes its more forgiving and more accurate
It has 1/4 draw adjust put let off at 80 and adjust draw length to 30
On there website the have the specs advertised at 80% lettoff
Yes 1 of 3 new bows from Elite Archery.
Back wall a 4? But they have limb stops you can install. Can you get more solid than a limb stop?
I love all your reviews!
MFJJ, are you going to do a review of the Kairos also??
Are any new long draw bows coming out this year?
I’d like to know how this doesn’t get 5 out of 5 on tune ability? No other bow has this many options in tuning. It has SET technology and the LTR system and also has shims. It literally has every type of way to tune a bow lol
Elite has all these things, and yet you still have to shim the cams, and, it is multiple little shims, not 2 shims ( 1 on each side ). Even with the Omnia, after shimming twice, I couldn't use all the SET adjustment without cable and cam contact. I can understand the trepidation to give them a high score on adjustability when it is a real headache to shim these bows and the SET still not function as advertised.
@@o.n.e.wayhunting The era never had them issues and this bow is suppose to have all that fixed as well. But what it boils down to is just sloppy grip. I’ve seen cable rub on bowtech before. Fix/adjust your grip and problem solved
@@buckshot2614yeah, the first batch(s) of the Omnia had the cable rub issue, but even there, most of em could be tuned out with SET and sometimes shim.. didn't read about the same with the Era...
@@buckshot2614grip is maybe the biggest issue when paper tuning (I've invested hours as a newbie, before balancing it right with the right weight setup on stabilizers doing the trick).
@@buckshot2614the bubble in the sight that wasn't level correctly,fooled me too (didn't had the tools at the beginning)..
Great video. Would the tags still on the bow effect vibration score?
On the draw weight what's the +/- of the scale? Draw weight check averages? Just asking 😊.
Keep the video rolling.
I'm still waiting on my call for the bow giveaway 😂
no issues with cables rubbing? Thanks
What brand of target are you shooting into?
Would be great to see in your initial reviews some arrows thrown at targets down range to round out the review. Just saying.
A lot of arrows now are actually pretty good these days, components are sometimes another story
Good video. I definitely like the longer video, with more of a breakdown. Keeo up the great work ✌️🫰🤙
This is a "comment down below if you think that isn't an accurate enough weight" ! =D
Would like to see the kratos tested
How does the reflex number affect the bow?
Is the dog operating the camera ? video is all over the place
I'm from Pa and I don't hate you actually think everything you do is amazing and so knowledgeable you help me so much many diff times but maybe you could stand on one foot while chewing bubble gum during the shooting parts or just wear a pink hat for me then I'll know your not bullshit and you actually do read these lmao I just had to say something ridiculous and see what I might get but no joke thank you so much brother!
Great review your allways honest going to have to shoot this new Elite bow Looks really good
Wouldn't you want to hit record after drawback? First video the high number came as you pulled back
Features a 1🤷♂️ tunable limbs & roller guard? Seems a bit harsh. 3/5 seems more fair. Wider limb pockets longer riser 1/4” adjustments . Addable limb stop included. Don’t be a hater Mr.Jones
Yeah, that was a surprise, what would be there besides the bigger draw weight adjustment range with moduls, like the new Mathews and an integrated rail for sights?
No pic rail, no dovetail, antiquated shim system for moving the cams. Yes they have SET, no it doesn't completely replace the need to move the cams.
There is hardly any need at all to shim them I think. Set does great. Maybe if someone torqued the bow like crazy.
75.7% let off if the bow scale is accurate
Another great video, but the camera work will almost make you dizzy lol 🤣
Is the riser length 30.5 as your first measurement or 30 ?
Which bow did you like better between the Elite Omnia and the Elite Ethos?
Can you the the spec for the draw board thanks
Respect the game t.v said you can get it in 75# they posted it on Lancasters channel
I knew you said your testing all bows at the same 80%
But for the speed wouldn't they have gotta higher say an extra 4 or 5 fps and earned a 4out of 5??
I'm new to all of this
Thanks for your videos I know they take a lot of time
Would u pick this bow over hoyt alpha x
What is your out the door price bare bow ethos
Do you realize this is the only bow that has 1/4" draw length adjustability? That's huge and you can tune your limbs in the pockets to get a perfect bullet hole paper tune, This bow has better overall features than a Mathews.
why do you like a bow to have less reflex?
Josh what bow do u feel is the best balanced in the hand off the ripe
Love the bow shop.
Watching the elite enkore recently, like a lot of times … lol to watching this video is awesome brother … you and Tim’s content / archery videos are some of my personal favorite on instagram plus RUclips,, thank you guys for all you do
Minus 5 points for the Dewalt blower in the background.
No matter what you do people will always complain no matter how in depth and open minded you test something, especially on RUclips 🤣
At 17:35 did the camera guy go cross eyed donkey or what?
great job....keep the vids coming
Is this better than the Cairo?
Nice camera work.,
You still have any Omnia's in stock? When will those go on sale?
Blue jacket archery in PA has omnia's marked down to 800$!. Your welcome.
I would say the videos are to long now, I would recommend you to fill the white board and total the numbers off camera and then just do a summary explaining the reason you gave the score. It should bring your video length back down. It would look better for the subscribers. Just a thought. Still enjoy your content, just my opinion!
Is this the new flagship?
1-5 rating needs to be a 10 point system. A 1 or 2 is a bad score. I feel it would not differentiate bows enough. If anyone is looking to your reviews for help on seeing which bows might be better. Or go with .5. Don’t hate me. I really appreciate your role in getting people into archery. & yes I am a NY guy. I bought a V3X because of you. It does feel good ,when you feel your keeping $$$ in house. Keep up the good work guy. 😂Rate your pizza & bagels bro 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤ from NY
You are testing so many things, it's hard to even think of what else you could do on the test. Maybe a subjective test on ease of letting down from full draw?