PT here, I was a 2014 psychological horror game demo developed by Kojima Productions. Sadly, my potential was never realised. But what has been realised is that Dips are good for the shoulders.
Real PT here. DIPS are dangerously great for your shoulders. People tend to f up because they have some previous injury not fully healed, dont know the technique or because they egolift it. Keep dipping brothers!
Super weak left shoulder, thought I was ruined. Turns out the treatment is literally g o d e e p e r Restricting my RoM probably made my shoulder hurt, just had to lower the weight and take baby steps again.
Dips with appropriate form and range of motion do not hurt your shoulders. But if you have an existing or prior shoulder injury, dips will expose them. I tweaked my left shoulder doing heavy benching, and doing dips made it hurt more. The dips didnt cause the injury but it can cause discomfort. So be careful when doing them, dont go to extreme range of motion. Upper arms parallel to the floor is enough ROM.
ChatG PT here. No, dips usually don't injure shoulders if performed correctly. When done with proper form, controlled motion, and within a safe range of motion, dips are a safe and effective exercise for strengthening the chest, triceps, and shoulders. However, it's important to avoid overextending or going too deep, which could place unnecessary stress on the shoulders. As long as you use good technique and listen to your body, dips are unlikely to cause shoulder injuries. To perform dips safely: 1. Grip parallel bars, arms straight, core engaged. 2. Keep chest up, shoulders back, and elbows close. 3. Lower yourself slowly until your upper arms are parallel to the ground. 4. Push back up, maintaining control. 5. Inhale as you lower, exhale as you push up. Start with 2-3 sets of 8-12 reps. Warm up beforehand, avoid going too deep, and progress slowly. Focus on good form to protect your shoulders and build strength effectively.
I think that it's due to lack of flexibility plus some stabilizing muscles being weak that causes issues, just two months ago I had shoulder pain when doing chest flyes and it went away when I started doing shoulder external rotation with a band, I'm sure this is something similar.
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I thought they hurt my shoulders until I saw one of your form videos for dips and started doing them on the more narrow part of the implement. My triceps are in so much pain today lol
What would you say about dips for somebody with bilateral partial supraspinatus tears? I got prp in my right shoulder a year ago and it did wonders and have been building up shoulders/chest since, but not sure if trying dips would be good or not. Thanks!
This is absolutely correct. My shoulders are riddled with dumb injuries, including multiple dislocations, and once i took the time to train for dips the right way (with bands for assistance) and started going deep, my shoulders have become rock solid. The more range of motion you get under load (the key being an APPROPRIATE load…) the better. Indisputable. So rest assured, you can most likely get your shoulders back in the game if you train smart and have patience.
Mine just goes out of socket and gets stuck in my ehlers dunlos syndrome and then im fuck fucked for a day and less fucked for a week. I do dips with less ROM and i cant do pull ups also if i do hanging stuff my shoulder can get locked up and cant get it down It sucks balls
@@TaaviPusa yeah i understand your frustration. Every injury is different so i can only speak for myself. Im sure there are mobility/rehabilitative exercises you can do you might have to do a little research though which im sure you already have. Becoming a Supple Leopard is a wonderful compendium to start with, thats partly what i used. Hope you can work through it man shoulder issues can be about as frustrating as they get with the exception of lower back problems.
Have you had surgery for it? Docs say that surgery is the only route for me. Don't know if I should bite the bullet. Haven't been working out since March this year now 🙁
@@capcohan931 negative. About 8 dislocations on the left shoulder, and blew my right shoulder out about 20 years ago which took about a year to get to where I could lift it overhead again. Never had any surgeries though.
If you fear for your shoulders here are some tips: 1. Train with shoulder specific exercises focusing on eccentric for 4-6 weeks prior to start doing dips (kind of borring things like front and lateral rises) 2. Train your traps 3. Warm up with: 2 sets of pushups + 1 set of pike pushups 4. Control the eccentric phase of the dip Now you are ready to go as deep as you want
Can't emphasize 2 enough. I had gone 3 years without training due to shoulder pain(among other things). The original injury had healed but there was weakness somewhere causing pain when I raised my shoulder. All it took was strengthening my scapular muscles a bit, and the pain was gone.
@@newman4938 kinda similar experience. Had an injury actually doing dips. Went into recovery phase training shoulders, 3 months later…again, same injury. Back into recovery but this time incorporated traps. 3 years now of doing dips (even progressing with a weighted vests)
Dips aren't one of the exercises that are known to be dangerous for your shoulders. You can hurt your shoulders doing dips, but you can hurt yourself doing any exercise if you are stupid.
They are definitely known for hurting shoulders because if you don’t do dips your shoulder mobility might suck and the sensation of stretching a tight shoulder may cause discomfort.
Yeah they use to hurt me because I had horrible mobility and no shoulder stability on one side. You need a lot of mobility and strength for them to feel good, and that can take a while to build
Loved dips when I was younger. Now in my mid thirty’s started doing dips again. Immediately Fucked up my collarbone. Even with clean slow technique and just bodyweight. Found out I am hypermobile and went too deep. Still feeling weird with any press exercise after 6+ months but can do everything except for dips now. Genetics can fuck you over when you get older aswell.
Finally! I have been doing deep dips and never hurt my shoulders, of course it took me like 4 to 6 months of carefully doing it that way, but you are totally right.
Ive had reconstructive shoulder surgery, my shoulder was completely blown out, doing ultra deep dips, pausing at the bottom has made my shoulders feel better than ever
I’ve noticed having a solid dip bar where the bars are in line with your arms and at an angle make it way more comfortable rather than just having 2 straight bars that don’t line up with anything
I have had a lingering shoulder injury for years. I started a program that uses dips as a primary movement. After doing this program my shoulder is feeling far better than it has in years.
Physiotherapist here... Very experienced. I've forgot more stuff about msk pathophysiology then Dr Mike has ever known. I've got decades of experience and seen 1000s upon 1000s of patients in pain and yet Dr Mike think he knows more. Because he's got a vaguely related PhD. Well let me tell you! Dr Mike is absolutely correct! 😁
PhD here. Logically, even if I were granted immortality and lived for 1000s of lifetimes and gained many 1000s of experiences with people making good and bad arguments, whether any of their arguments were/are good or bad will never have anything to do with any of my 1000s of arbitrary units of personal experience. Rather, it will be determined by logical validity and the factual truth of the statements involved. (By the way, my PhD is in philosophy, which is vaguely related to assessing logical validity and sound arguments...) And let me tell you! Dr Mike is correct!
@@M.S.W.C. the application of your statement in this context lacks validity. Your statement is dependent on the premise of the existence of facts and absolutes, for which in the area of orthopedics there are few. Experience, although not a guarantee of expertise is almost certainly a minimum requirement. Experience is the platform to implement best available evidence, where we can reflect upon end improve clinical reasoning which is the complex essence of a good medical professional.
Validity is a property of the (formal) relationship between statements in an argument, not of the "application" of "a statement"... It's called logical validity. The rest of your misunderstanding of a riff off your own humor and its consistency with Dr Mike's own explicitly stated view about this exact issue (assessing validity and soundness of arguments in the context of logic and facts versus ad hominem including personal authority) is... FUN!
@@PastPerspectives11 don’t get me wrong I love dips, I think they’re great but doing them weighted is questionable for shoulders, more specifically my rotator cuff
Dips might not hurt your shoulders immediately, but if you already have previous shoulder injuries, or tendinosis or any breakdown of your shoulder from years of lifting, dips can be absolutely fucking BRUTAL for your shoulder tendons
@@MaxisBallinonaBudget I agree. It’s very odd so many people have shoulder injuries but clown Mike says nothing hurts ur shoulders. Must be that pixie dust I guess. He’s acting like dips put on strain on your shoulders. Nothing can be more wrong.
Fully agree. I developed a rotator cuff strain over time (I was doing dips weekly sometimes 2x per week) in this time frame. My shoulder went from slightly annoying to please put me out of my misery. The distal part of my clavicle felt bruised and fractured( was even sore to gently touch with my finger tip. My rear delts felt sore always, anterior delt was sore to the touch. Eventually I was out of action from The gym for weeks and weeks. I love the benefits that dips offer and that’s why I done them, but they absolutely can cause shoulder issues don’t care what anybody says
Yea people who have never gotten injured or have been fortunate enough to recover always sell that dumbass "no bro your form is just bad there's no way this exercise I like stresses your shoulder despite a large population reporting pain doing it they're just fuckups too"
I focus on form and still hurt my shoulders during dips, it’s basically the only exercise that always hurts my shoulders. Idk if I have bad genetics or a previous injury, but saying that people are just wrong regarding those with no explanation as to why does them a disservice
Actual pt here. Absolutely recommend people do dips, and calisthenics (training style, not showy off RUclips phenomenon) in general. The only hesitation I would have with this is if the person had a very damaged lower neck spine... Which I unfortunately do, and still try do them when and as I can. Do with that what you will lol
I don’t care who has a phd or who is a doctor, I’m Not having it. I used to love dips and got really strong in them. But the shoulder issues I would experience from doing them was unbearable. From the distal part of my clavicle (which felt like it was crumbling away btw) to the side delts and rear delts I experienced unworldly pain. Took me months to alleviate this pain and had to completely stop dips all together (under the advice of a physio therapist) I can guarantee you there is other people here that have messed up shoulder from dips. 100% guarantee it. IYKYK.
@@UnTangledUrn everyone got it coming brother... Remember the 1st time you did dips (or any kind of exercise in general), and when you finally got some kind of knowledge about your own anatomy? Yeah, the time in between is when the damage was done. We tried to put in some junk volume with slippery form, do as many rep as possible, go as low as possible and even worse, 99.99% of us had never known how to properly warm-up when we started our journey... Learning that it's still happening today to many younger folks is just sad.
Ive been doing weighted dips and overhead press over an year, mu shoulders are flexible and strong without any dangerous signs, a heavy Deadlift is more dangerous than a bodyweight exercise
That's a curious way to word that, from what information I've gathered there is no specific form that is inherently dangerous, what is dangerous is exceeding the work capacity of the structures in your body, and some forms put more stress on the joints than others, but that doesn't make the form unsafe, just that the work capacity will be lower comparatively. That work capacity can be increased over time through graded exposure and regular backing off of the training volume. This matches my injury history as I've blown my back out jumping in to maximum effort 5x5 quarter squat sessions with a flat back, but I've had zero back discomfort when I built up gradually with deadlifts, despite deadlifting with a rounded spine. No disrespect my man, but I think it's not entirely true to say bodyweight exercises are inherently safer, it's just far harder to exceed the work capacity of your body with only your bodyweight.
@@sauceman2saucyboogaloo530 _"what is dangerous is exceeding the work capacity of the structures in your body"_ This is it. Pretty much any movement can injure you if your muscles, connective tissues and joints are too weak to support you through said movement. And a big part of resistance training is to address and prevent exactly that, so the last thing people should be doing is shying away from entire ranges of motion. All that will do is keep you weak and injury prone. With something like deep dips, if you're experiencing pain in the stretch position I think the solution is to just back off until you find a ROM that doesn't hurt, but then continue to try and gradually lower yourself more and more over subsequent sessions. As you get stronger, that point where the pain kicks in will become lower, until eventually it is just gone altogether.
Heavy relative to whom? There’s nothing inherently dangerous about an appropriately loaded deadlift. You can uplift one exercise without having to throw shade at another. Especially when it’s vague and disinformative
He wasn't throwing shade, he was telling his story of how he f'ed up before by lifting too heavy with bad form. I don't see anything about an exercise in general. The message is check your ego at the door and do what you need to to gain muscle.
Dips are the only exercise I've ever done that have caused severe pain in the front of my shoulders, as with all videos online he's speaking generally, if you feel pain while performing a certain exercise stop doing that shit until you can figure out what's causing said pain.
There a video by Menno henselmans that talks about higher probability of injury with dips. Mike seems a bit unhinged lately, and Is giving More and More suspect advice
PTA here. Dips aren’t bad. I believe the thought process comes from learning about advantageous positions and disadvantages positions of the joint and confusing it with being bad or good. I remember asking my professor about upright rows and he said that he loved them despite the ‘elevation w/ internal rotation’ stigma. There were two levels of understanding to it. The “I won’t train it because it’s hard on the joint.” Then graduating to “I WILL train it because it’s hard on the joint.” It just makes you that much stronger. My elderly/injured patients don’t play by the same rules when I’m working on them because they often have very compromised stability but I’ve had those who were ready to graduate to a high level of training.
Pt here. Lol! Dips are awesome. Seriously. Dips are fantastic. It's my first movement on chest/triceps day. Blows my triceps and upper pecs to Mars. Anyone who says Dips are bad, they're dumb and should do more Dips. I bet those people that don't like Dips, they probably don't like the smith machine either which also is dumb.
@curiosity8494 they do blow up your upper chest. That's bodybuilding 101 guy. If you lean forward, you hit your pecs, if you stay straight and upright, you blast your triceps. I mean that's just common knowledge. I knew thst long before I took a course to add bodybuilding special to my personal trainer and nutritionist certification.
My wife loves your advice for diet and exercise for me. 5’10’’ 280 used to be strong. 16 weeks in after recovering from 2 massive rotator cuff tears and a detached biceps. Keep it up you freaking giant!
This is absolutely 100% wrong. If you have joint impingement do not do dips, you likely have shoulder impingement if your body makes an angle instead of hanging straight down when doing chinups/hanging from a bar, or if you have to use excessive arch in your back to ohp. Dont find out that dips arent for you by training until you have an injury, access the range of motion in your shoulders first, if its not good then dont do them. Ignore at your own peril.
Ive seen too many people who clearly know what theyre doing do dips, but they still hurt my shoulder. I assume it's nothing inherently wrong with dips, it's more likely just my form, apparantly genetics, or a past injury that gets activated in that position.
As someone with chronic Triceps tendonitis and rotator cuff issues. Watching this video gave me phantom pain on my elbow bone spur, but my shoulder wasn't scared.
Never do I feel my triceps more pumped to the fuckin moon than with dips. This shit is the best, the feeling in your triceps after 4 sets of 10 with full stretch is incomparable
Incrementally overloading dips really helped build tolerance back into my shoulder after a very nasty injury from negligence on the barbell bench press
57 yo PT here, I do dips at least once a week and have for DECADES and my shoulders feel great. Below the waist IR/ER performed at midline helps if done regularly.
Ever since I started warming up my shoulders by doing eccentrics before my work sets, I haven't had problems with shoulder pain during dips. If you have problems, try going as deep as you can for 5 seconds on the eccentric until you can do a full stretch, then up the load by going for longer and doing more reps. I started with 5 reps and worked my way up to 10
Dips are one of my favorite workouts. I have been doing dips for years and they have always given wonderful results. And my shoulders feel more loose and relaxed when I do them actually.
I have genetically bad shoulders ( had two surgeries) but I do deep dips, have since I first started lifting. At one point it was all I could do for my shoulders that did not hurt. My surgeon even commented that dips probably was the reason my shoulders worked as long as they did ( started partially, then fully dislocating) My favourite thing to fully finish a workout ( I do weighted dips earlier in the workout) then go to the assisted dip machine. I flip up the pad to put legs on up, do free dips, then flip pad down and go straight into max weight pushdowns. 4 sets of those and I am done 😂
I teach pilates, so I'm not really a PT, but I can tell you that if you do your dips over hot coals while bare foot, you can actually hurt your ball sac.
PT here, Dips are great! But of course, as with any exercise, pain and correct technique are essential (: Just as in or with any other exercise. I personally wouldn‘t do them the conventional way if I won‘t feel safe during the exercise :D Which is self explanatory as well. You can lower the load and increase it as necessary, but I think everybody gets the point. I just wanted to say there are a few PTs out there, who see things a bit different and don‘t think that sternly :D Love the high quality content! It has already helped with my own health and will most likely also help my future patients.
Im 6'4", 115kg, back is fucked with multiple protruding discs, acl and meniscus shredded, collarbone smashed into pieces and parts of it replaced with bone splinters from my hip. My shoulders are actually the things that dont hurt, which is very nice. Even when dipping.
Dips for me DID hurt, I was focusing too hard on getting more weight on, and I likely did hurt my shoulder somewhere else. What I ended up doing that really helped was focusing more on the stabilizers, I did Dips on Rings, and ever since, my shoulders have massively improved. Id suggest working on slowly lowering yourself as deep as possible, and don't even worry about pushing yourself up at first, just keep slowly moving deep into the stretch, then step down, and repeat until you build confidence.
All true in his facts, buts very common for most people not have good shoulder extension, and strength to deal with the technique that is required maintain enough external rotation torque to not create shoulder impingement on the way down or in the locking out phase
I was 9 stone at 6'2". Had the skinniest arms you can imagine on such a frame. Blasted cables, skull crushers etc. My tris never grew at all. Within a few months of smashing dips, my arms ended up looking like legs. Absolutely huge difference. If I could go back in time, I'd have started with dips before I ever picked up any weights. If I had to pick only 5 exercises to do in the gym for the rest of my life, dips would be top of the list.
It’s the classic. Just like how running will also hurt if you’re not used to it. But it’s really really good for you once your body has adapted to the stress.
As a man who has cuff issues, I do dips twice a week on push and have had zero issue on shoulders which did surprise me. I find them to be the best upper movement ever.
Shoulders here, and I confirm that dips might hurt your PT
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@@Bleeblooplu yes. It’s a way better comment than the guy who is a PT cruiser 😂
youre scaring me
Best comment here
PT Cruiser here: I’m a vehicle made by Chrysler from 2001-2010. I enjoy doing dips and recommend them.
Bro that is hilarious thank you for that
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PT here, I was a 2014 psychological horror game demo developed by Kojima Productions. Sadly, my potential was never realised. But what has been realised is that Dips are good for the shoulders.
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@@somethingelse516 They just templated the comment above
We will never forget, we will never forgive lmao
We will never forget, we will never forgive lmao
Been a PT for 15 years, dips go well with chips.
The dip and scoop into mouth is full range of motion for the front delt. Underrated movement
Hell yeah
Just don't double dip.
Oh my gosh! I can’t be the only one thinking Mike was talking about the exercise!
Real PT here. DIPS are dangerously great for your shoulders. People tend to f up because they have some previous injury not fully healed, dont know the technique or because they egolift it.
Keep dipping brothers!
Super weak left shoulder, thought I was ruined. Turns out the treatment is literally g o d e e p e r
Restricting my RoM probably made my shoulder hurt, just had to lower the weight and take baby steps again.
Dips used to hurt, but the more I carefully worked on adduction exercises like dumbbell bench and wide barbell bench, they made dips safe again.
I exercise on the basis of how manly I look while performing my exercise so dips are an s tier exercise.
This is valid
I excersize naked, so I'm very familiar with police response times
Sex with the Earth.
Amen to that brother
Do you like the leg curls (not the seated ones) you know what I mean and hip abductors
Dip here, can confirm performing a Dr Mike with a full range of Scott the Camera guy maximises the effectiveness and volume potential of hip thrusts
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God I hope dr. Mike reads all comments like this
Hahaha
... is this guy from DougDoug's chat?
PT here, dips can ruin not your shoulders but your knees in case you’re landing on them after finishing the exercise, so be careful
What?
You got me
He's making a funny @@thespyrogamergt3163
@@thghtfl yup, I usually have a rough landing on my knees when I'm done with my sets, lol!
Dead lol
Dips with appropriate form and range of motion do not hurt your shoulders. But if you have an existing or prior shoulder injury, dips will expose them. I tweaked my left shoulder doing heavy benching, and doing dips made it hurt more. The dips didnt cause the injury but it can cause discomfort. So be careful when doing them, dont go to extreme range of motion. Upper arms parallel to the floor is enough ROM.
Yess!!! As a PT and condone you shutting down PTs that don’t know exercise science! 🔥
“You had it coming genetically” is wild💀
Rare Dr Mike L take
@@wrednax8594nope it's a W genetics are the biggest factor in injury risk
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What’s that supposed to mean?
@powerup9035 shit genetics, prone to injury, weak joints, etc
ChatG PT here. No, dips usually don't injure shoulders if performed correctly. When done with proper form, controlled motion, and within a safe range of motion, dips are a safe and effective exercise for strengthening the chest, triceps, and shoulders. However, it's important to avoid overextending or going too deep, which could place unnecessary stress on the shoulders. As long as you use good technique and listen to your body, dips are unlikely to cause shoulder injuries.
To perform dips safely:
1. Grip parallel bars, arms straight, core engaged.
2. Keep chest up, shoulders back, and elbows close.
3. Lower yourself slowly until your upper arms are parallel to the ground.
4. Push back up, maintaining control.
5. Inhale as you lower, exhale as you push up.
Start with 2-3 sets of 8-12 reps. Warm up beforehand, avoid going too deep, and progress slowly. Focus on good form to protect your shoulders and build strength effectively.
Good to know Mr. GPT
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Ugh, beat me to it.
@@mr.mikeygaming3723Lmao this was good
Gymnast here, dips are our bread and butter and can confirm do not damage your shoulders.
Shut up
Gymnast strength is a different level of strength
I think that it's due to lack of flexibility plus some stabilizing muscles being weak that causes issues, just two months ago I had shoulder pain when doing chest flyes and it went away when I started doing shoulder external rotation with a band, I'm sure this is something similar.
@382u3uuej it's like that with all exercises. Go too heavy in an ROM you aren't capable of is always going to be trouble.
They are also massively overrated...
IT guy here. Deep dips seem to be helping my shoulder pain.
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PT here, I couldn't agree more.
Love your content. God bless!
As a PT: I must say that you have completely wasted your time reading this
No it made me laugh 😂
I wasted my time replying too.
Trick question, I wasted my time by being on RUclips shorts
Touché
Damnit got me 😂
PT here, dips can hurt your nose if you fall face first while doing or finishing the exercise
I'll second that, but I need to add after reading your comment, I seriously hurt my pride because I wet myself laughing too hard! 🤣🤣🤣
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I thought they hurt my shoulders until I saw one of your form videos for dips and started doing them on the more narrow part of the implement. My triceps are in so much pain today lol
DPT here, you are correct! Dips are totally safe for the shoulder and can build strong and resilient shoulders!
Are you actually a PT? If so I have a question.
OPG here. Blah blah blah etc. Because I fookin say so
@@Jafmanzgoogle him he’s a dpt lol
What would you say about dips for somebody with bilateral partial supraspinatus tears? I got prp in my right shoulder a year ago and it did wonders and have been building up shoulders/chest since, but not sure if trying dips would be good or not. Thanks!
I call bs. Dips hurt shoulders. Happened to me.
This is absolutely correct. My shoulders are riddled with dumb injuries, including multiple dislocations, and once i took the time to train for dips the right way (with bands for assistance) and started going deep, my shoulders have become rock solid. The more range of motion you get under load (the key being an APPROPRIATE load…) the better. Indisputable. So rest assured, you can most likely get your shoulders back in the game if you train smart and have patience.
Mine just goes out of socket and gets stuck in my ehlers dunlos syndrome and then im fuck fucked for a day and less fucked for a week.
I do dips with less ROM and i cant do pull ups also if i do hanging stuff my shoulder can get locked up and cant get it down
It sucks balls
@@TaaviPusa yeah i understand your frustration. Every injury is different so i can only speak for myself. Im sure there are mobility/rehabilitative exercises you can do you might have to do a little research though which im sure you already have. Becoming a Supple Leopard is a wonderful compendium to start with, thats partly what i used. Hope you can work through it man shoulder issues can be about as frustrating as they get with the exception of lower back problems.
Have you had surgery for it? Docs say that surgery is the only route for me. Don't know if I should bite the bullet. Haven't been working out since March this year now 🙁
@@capcohan931 negative. About 8 dislocations on the left shoulder, and blew my right shoulder out about 20 years ago which took about a year to get to where I could lift it overhead again. Never had any surgeries though.
If you fear for your shoulders here are some tips:
1. Train with shoulder specific exercises focusing on eccentric for 4-6 weeks prior to start doing dips (kind of borring things like front and lateral rises)
2. Train your traps
3. Warm up with: 2 sets of pushups + 1 set of pike pushups
4. Control the eccentric phase of the dip
Now you are ready to go as deep as you want
Can't emphasize 2 enough. I had gone 3 years without training due to shoulder pain(among other things). The original injury had healed but there was weakness somewhere causing pain when I raised my shoulder. All it took was strengthening my scapular muscles a bit, and the pain was gone.
@@newman4938 kinda similar experience. Had an injury actually doing dips. Went into recovery phase training shoulders, 3 months later…again, same injury. Back into recovery but this time incorporated traps. 3 years now of doing dips (even progressing with a weighted vests)
I really like the bars on that second clips set up. Nice rounded thick grips, I'll take any day over some skinny little bar that bites into my palm.
Assisted dips were literally part of my exercise routine when I was healing from a shoulder injury
PT here! I can confirm that it is true my turtle won 2m dash yesterday!
Dips aren't one of the exercises that are known to be dangerous for your shoulders. You can hurt your shoulders doing dips, but you can hurt yourself doing any exercise if you are stupid.
They are definitely known for hurting shoulders because if you don’t do dips your shoulder mobility might suck and the sensation of stretching a tight shoulder may cause discomfort.
Yeah they use to hurt me because I had horrible mobility and no shoulder stability on one side. You need a lot of mobility and strength for them to feel good, and that can take a while
to build
@@brandonsteele2826 wait wait wait wide grip pull up?
You can hurt your shoulders choking the chicken but no one is out there telling us to stop that.
Tbf I’ve hurt myself sleeping wrong 🤷♀️
Wholeheartedly agree, doing dips consistently and deeper each session really improved my shoulder health and mobility.
Loved dips when I was younger. Now in my mid thirty’s started doing dips again. Immediately Fucked up my collarbone. Even with clean slow technique and just bodyweight.
Found out I am hypermobile and went too deep. Still feeling weird with any press exercise after 6+ months but can do everything except for dips now.
Genetics can fuck you over when you get older aswell.
Finally! I have been doing deep dips and never hurt my shoulders, of course it took me like 4 to 6 months of carefully doing it that way, but you are totally right.
for years
I love dips, they work my triceps better than any extension and they keep my triceps big as hell
You’re not him bro 😂
what about pull downs?
As hell even? Wow. Thats big.
@@Introverted100 introversion keepin you you big as hell
Dips kill my elbows if I do them first. Once I’m warm, typically good to go.
I feel like my elbows are getting split out of my body regardless. Push day with shot elbows is haaard.
Ive had reconstructive shoulder surgery, my shoulder was completely blown out, doing ultra deep dips, pausing at the bottom has made my shoulders feel better than ever
Ultra deep 😭
Dips hurt my shoulders like crazy. They may not hurt others' shoulders, but they're not good for mine.
They hurt my hands for some reason
@@DerEchteBabomy wrists lol
@@FightingAddiction540lack of mobility
I used to get the same problem but I solved it by leaning forward more
I’ve noticed having a solid dip bar where the bars are in line with your arms and at an angle make it way more comfortable rather than just having 2 straight bars that don’t line up with anything
I have had a lingering shoulder injury for years. I started a program that uses dips as a primary movement. After doing this program my shoulder is feeling far better than it has in years.
Physiotherapist here... Very experienced. I've forgot more stuff about msk pathophysiology then Dr Mike has ever known. I've got decades of experience and seen 1000s upon 1000s of patients in pain and yet Dr Mike think he knows more. Because he's got a vaguely related PhD. Well let me tell you! Dr Mike is absolutely correct! 😁
Had me in the first half ngl
PhD here. Logically, even if I were granted immortality and lived for 1000s of lifetimes and gained many 1000s of experiences with people making good and bad arguments, whether any of their arguments were/are good or bad will never have anything to do with any of my 1000s of arbitrary units of personal experience. Rather, it will be determined by logical validity and the factual truth of the statements involved. (By the way, my PhD is in philosophy, which is vaguely related to assessing logical validity and sound arguments...) And let me tell you! Dr Mike is correct!
@@M.S.W.C. the application of your statement in this context lacks validity. Your statement is dependent on the premise of the existence of facts and absolutes, for which in the area of orthopedics there are few. Experience, although not a guarantee of expertise is almost certainly a minimum requirement.
Experience is the platform to implement best available evidence, where we can reflect upon end improve clinical reasoning which is the complex essence of a good medical professional.
Validity is a property of the (formal) relationship between statements in an argument, not of the "application" of "a statement"... It's called logical validity.
The rest of your misunderstanding of a riff off your own humor and its consistency with Dr Mike's own explicitly stated view about this exact issue (assessing validity and soundness of arguments in the context of logic and facts versus ad hominem including personal authority) is...
FUN!
@@M.S.W.C. I see you failed to address my point entirely.. Almost as if your succumbing to a little ad hominem yourself there bucko.
Literally just back from a 2 month long shoulder problem from weighted dips
Hate dips. Hurt my shoulder also. Don’t see what they offer that you can’t get from push up and pull up variations.
Do you think regular dips will bother it?
@@PastPerspectives11 don’t get me wrong I love dips, I think they’re great but doing them weighted is questionable for shoulders, more specifically my rotator cuff
@@Guitarial_arts yea normal dips are fine so long as I control the speed well
Dude, weighted dips are kind of asking for it.
To the moon, Alice. To the moon.
I never realized early astronauts were so fat.
@@bradthompson5383 😱
Dips here, I recommend you shoulder your PT
Glad to hear it!
"You had it coming, genetically" is now permanently in my vocabulary
Dips might not hurt your shoulders immediately, but if you already have previous shoulder injuries, or tendinosis or any breakdown of your shoulder from years of lifting, dips can be absolutely fucking BRUTAL for your shoulder tendons
@@MaxisBallinonaBudget I agree. It’s very odd so many people have shoulder injuries but clown Mike says nothing hurts ur shoulders. Must be that pixie dust I guess. He’s acting like dips put on strain on your shoulders. Nothing can be more wrong.
They may hurt due to past injuries but thats not new pain. It isn't doing damage is what he's trying to say
@@dvprohtc yeah? And you know not a single person hurt their shoulders doing dips? Then tell me expert, exactly what causes shoulder injuries?
Fully agree. I developed a rotator cuff strain over time (I was doing dips weekly sometimes 2x per week) in this time frame. My shoulder went from slightly annoying to please put me out of my misery. The distal part of my clavicle felt bruised and fractured( was even sore to gently touch with my finger tip. My rear delts felt sore always, anterior delt was sore to the touch. Eventually I was out of action from
The gym for weeks and weeks.
I love the benefits that dips offer and that’s why I done them, but they absolutely can cause shoulder issues don’t care what anybody says
Yea people who have never gotten injured or have been fortunate enough to recover always sell that dumbass "no bro your form is just bad there's no way this exercise I like stresses your shoulder despite a large population reporting pain doing it they're just fuckups too"
My physical therapist told me to do dips when i was recovering from a shoulder injury. They worked!
I’m so loving you keeping it 100% real, Dr. Mike, with “STFU!!”😍🙌🏽🫶🏽👏🏽🔥
I focus on form and still hurt my shoulders during dips, it’s basically the only exercise that always hurts my shoulders. Idk if I have bad genetics or a previous injury, but saying that people are just wrong regarding those with no explanation as to why does them a disservice
Actual pt here. Absolutely recommend people do dips, and calisthenics (training style, not showy off RUclips phenomenon) in general. The only hesitation I would have with this is if the person had a very damaged lower neck spine...
Which I unfortunately do, and still try do them when and as I can.
Do with that what you will lol
I don’t care who has a phd or who is a doctor, I’m
Not having it.
I used to love dips and got really strong in them. But the shoulder issues I would experience from doing them was unbearable. From the distal part of my clavicle (which felt like it was crumbling away btw) to the side delts and rear delts I experienced unworldly pain. Took me months to alleviate this pain and had to completely stop dips all together (under the advice of a physio therapist)
I can guarantee you there is other people here that have messed up shoulder from dips. 100% guarantee it.
IYKYK.
I have the same problem with dips and prefer to do incline pushups instead
This guy promotes body building not general fitneas.
Pretty much same. As he said though I think it's something with our genetics.. Are you also a fuckin frog?
Sounds like a user issue🎉
@@UnTangledUrn everyone got it coming brother...
Remember the 1st time you did dips (or any kind of exercise in general), and when you finally got some kind of knowledge about your own anatomy? Yeah, the time in between is when the damage was done.
We tried to put in some junk volume with slippery form, do as many rep as possible, go as low as possible and even worse, 99.99% of us had never known how to properly warm-up when we started our journey... Learning that it's still happening today to many younger folks is just sad.
Ive been doing weighted dips and overhead press over an year, mu shoulders are flexible and strong without any dangerous signs, a heavy Deadlift is more dangerous than a bodyweight exercise
That's a curious way to word that, from what information I've gathered there is no specific form that is inherently dangerous, what is dangerous is exceeding the work capacity of the structures in your body, and some forms put more stress on the joints than others, but that doesn't make the form unsafe, just that the work capacity will be lower comparatively. That work capacity can be increased over time through graded exposure and regular backing off of the training volume. This matches my injury history as I've blown my back out jumping in to maximum effort 5x5 quarter squat sessions with a flat back, but I've had zero back discomfort when I built up gradually with deadlifts, despite deadlifting with a rounded spine.
No disrespect my man, but I think it's not entirely true to say bodyweight exercises are inherently safer, it's just far harder to exceed the work capacity of your body with only your bodyweight.
@@sauceman2saucyboogaloo530 _"what is dangerous is exceeding the work capacity of the structures in your body"_
This is it. Pretty much any movement can injure you if your muscles, connective tissues and joints are too weak to support you through said movement. And a big part of resistance training is to address and prevent exactly that, so the last thing people should be doing is shying away from entire ranges of motion. All that will do is keep you weak and injury prone.
With something like deep dips, if you're experiencing pain in the stretch position I think the solution is to just back off until you find a ROM that doesn't hurt, but then continue to try and gradually lower yourself more and more over subsequent sessions. As you get stronger, that point where the pain kicks in will become lower, until eventually it is just gone altogether.
Heavy relative to whom? There’s nothing inherently dangerous about an appropriately loaded deadlift. You can uplift one exercise without having to throw shade at another. Especially when it’s vague and disinformative
He wasn't throwing shade, he was telling his story of how he f'ed up before by lifting too heavy with bad form. I don't see anything about an exercise in general. The message is check your ego at the door and do what you need to to gain muscle.
The crazy thing is, a heavy deadlift is still extremely safe. 🤯 Lol
Dips are the only exercise I've ever done that have caused severe pain in the front of my shoulders, as with all videos online he's speaking generally, if you feel pain while performing a certain exercise stop doing that shit until you can figure out what's causing said pain.
There a video by Menno henselmans that talks about higher probability of injury with dips.
Mike seems a bit unhinged lately, and Is giving More and More suspect advice
@@aro2103 well said.
Facts. I’m genetically prone to tendinitis in the shoulders and dips are brutal on them
PTA here. Dips aren’t bad. I believe the thought process comes from learning about advantageous positions and disadvantages positions of the joint and confusing it with being bad or good. I remember asking my professor about upright rows and he said that he loved them despite the ‘elevation w/ internal rotation’ stigma.
There were two levels of understanding to it. The “I won’t train it because it’s hard on the joint.” Then graduating to “I WILL train it because it’s hard on the joint.” It just makes you that much stronger.
My elderly/injured patients don’t play by the same rules when I’m working on them because they often have very compromised stability but I’ve had those who were ready to graduate to a high level of training.
“you had it coming genetically” is diabolical work😂😂😂
Yall are running the word diabolical into the ground. I hate the internet.
@@NotCharAznable if your worried about the word “diabolical” being “ran” into the ground then you have a lot more to worry about lol
@@Skynetexenah he’s valid
dips are not for everyone is a more accurate statement.
100%
Pt here. Lol! Dips are awesome. Seriously. Dips are fantastic. It's my first movement on chest/triceps day. Blows my triceps and upper pecs to Mars. Anyone who says Dips are bad, they're dumb and should do more Dips. I bet those people that don't like Dips, they probably don't like the smith machine either which also is dumb.
You know what's also dumb? Saying dips blow up your upper pecs
@@curiosity8494 they absolutely do atleast for me
@curiosity8494 they do blow up your upper chest. That's bodybuilding 101 guy. If you lean forward, you hit your pecs, if you stay straight and upright, you blast your triceps. I mean that's just common knowledge. I knew thst long before I took a course to add bodybuilding special to my personal trainer and nutritionist certification.
Wouldn't me having long arms just make the movement better for my pecs because of the increased ROM?
@matthewmcnabb8752 if you lean forward, yes.
My wife loves your advice for diet and exercise for me. 5’10’’ 280 used to be strong. 16 weeks in after recovering from 2 massive rotator cuff tears and a detached biceps. Keep it up you freaking giant!
Love the one size fits all approach. 👍
This is absolutely 100% wrong. If you have joint impingement do not do dips, you likely have shoulder impingement if your body makes an angle instead of hanging straight down when doing chinups/hanging from a bar, or if you have to use excessive arch in your back to ohp. Dont find out that dips arent for you by training until you have an injury, access the range of motion in your shoulders first, if its not good then dont do them. Ignore at your own peril.
Interesting point. Whenever I injure my shoulder, 2 exercises I can always still do without any discomfort are dips and pull ups.
Love this guy!
Ive seen too many people who clearly know what theyre doing do dips, but they still hurt my shoulder. I assume it's nothing inherently wrong with dips, it's more likely just my form, apparantly genetics, or a past injury that gets activated in that position.
You had it coming genetically is my new way of telling people they suck
Agreed ring dips are king for range of motion. Allows the arm to slightly pivot allowing for even more range so good. 10/10 would recommend
Dr mike, you have certainly improved my ROI on gym time, more full proper technique breakdowns would be great
PT here, dipping can led to mouth cancer. Not just with traditional tobacco products but also “tobacco-less” product like zyn.
Man, I love RP DMike
Great Short!
As someone with chronic Triceps tendonitis and rotator cuff issues. Watching this video gave me phantom pain on my elbow bone spur, but my shoulder wasn't scared.
One of my favorite and the greatest top 5 movement!!!
You won me over Mike, good stuff.
Love these reactions 😂
Never do I feel my triceps more pumped to the fuckin moon than with dips. This shit is the best, the feeling in your triceps after 4 sets of 10 with full stretch is incomparable
you rock dude
Love your channel. Go ahead do those deep dip and good luck with those shoulders.
Incrementally overloading dips really helped build tolerance back into my shoulder after a very nasty injury from negligence on the barbell bench press
57 yo PT here, I do dips at least once a week and have for DECADES and my shoulders feel great. Below the waist IR/ER performed at midline helps if done regularly.
Like Mentzer said “Dips are the squats of upper body” Great for you upper body development!!👍🔥💪
Ever since I started warming up my shoulders by doing eccentrics before my work sets, I haven't had problems with shoulder pain during dips.
If you have problems, try going as deep as you can for 5 seconds on the eccentric until you can do a full stretch, then up the load by going for longer and doing more reps. I started with 5 reps and worked my way up to 10
PT here and yes dips are safer than doing curls in the squat rack.
TP here. Covering a wigwam while dipping in privacy is crucial for focus as a PT in training!
Dips are one of my favorite workouts. I have been doing dips for years and they have always given wonderful results. And my shoulders feel more loose and relaxed when I do them actually.
I have genetically bad shoulders ( had two surgeries) but I do deep dips, have since I first started lifting. At one point it was all I could do for my shoulders that did not hurt. My surgeon even commented that dips probably was the reason my shoulders worked as long as they did ( started partially, then fully dislocating)
My favourite thing to fully finish a workout ( I do weighted dips earlier in the workout) then go to the assisted dip machine. I flip up the pad to put legs on up, do free dips, then flip pad down and go straight into max weight pushdowns. 4 sets of those and I am done 😂
I teach pilates, so I'm not really a PT, but I can tell you that if you do your dips over hot coals while bare foot, you can actually hurt your ball sac.
Aspiring PT here: Dips are fantastic for the shoulder joint. I even utilize a regressed version for my older clients.
Hell yeah Dr Mike!
PT here, Dips are great! But of course, as with any exercise, pain and correct technique are essential (: Just as in or with any other exercise. I personally wouldn‘t do them the conventional way if I won‘t feel safe during the exercise :D Which is self explanatory as well. You can lower the load and increase it as necessary, but I think everybody gets the point. I just wanted to say there are a few PTs out there, who see things a bit different and don‘t think that sternly :D Love the high quality content! It has already helped with my own health and will most likely also help my future patients.
Im 6'4", 115kg, back is fucked with multiple protruding discs, acl and meniscus shredded, collarbone smashed into pieces and parts of it replaced with bone splinters from my hip.
My shoulders are actually the things that dont hurt, which is very nice. Even when dipping.
That's great.....funny stuff. Like his talks alot. Thanks for the information.
Love it when you are real!!!! 😎👍
Do one on straight bar dip please.🙏🏾💪🏾
For years I found that dips did hurt my shoulder until I started pushing really hard with my triceps. After that... pain free
PT here ✋ yeah im 20% dips, 5% push ups, 10% buddy carries, 15% doing hard stuff you never heard of before, and 50% running.
Rah rah Semper Fi
Dips for me DID hurt, I was focusing too hard on getting more weight on, and I likely did hurt my shoulder somewhere else. What I ended up doing that really helped was focusing more on the stabilizers, I did Dips on Rings, and ever since, my shoulders have massively improved. Id suggest working on slowly lowering yourself as deep as possible, and don't even worry about pushing yourself up at first, just keep slowly moving deep into the stretch, then step down, and repeat until you build confidence.
All true in his facts, buts very common for most people not have good shoulder extension, and strength to deal with the technique that is required maintain enough external rotation torque to not create shoulder impingement on the way down or in the locking out phase
"you had it coming genetically" is Frieza levels of evil 😂
I was 9 stone at 6'2". Had the skinniest arms you can imagine on such a frame. Blasted cables, skull crushers etc. My tris never grew at all. Within a few months of smashing dips, my arms ended up looking like legs. Absolutely huge difference.
If I could go back in time, I'd have started with dips before I ever picked up any weights.
If I had to pick only 5 exercises to do in the gym for the rest of my life, dips would be top of the list.
PT here and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that I could never do full range deep stretch dips if I worked full-time.
It’s the classic. Just like how running will also hurt if you’re not used to it. But it’s really really good for you once your body has adapted to the stress.
Next video- Behind the Neck Presses are great for the shoulder joints.
As a PT, I'm in love with dips with depth
As a man who has cuff issues, I do dips twice a week on push and have had zero issue on shoulders which did surprise me. I find them to be the best upper movement ever.
Dips have became my favorite workout