Cryptothralls are bad, but one use can be attaching them to a unit of wraiths with a technomancer, technomancer has dimensional sanctum for the infiltrate. You can drop them down 9" from the enemy deployment zone and keep your wraiths alive longer and give a slightly better fnp to your technomancer. Makes them a slightly better tar pit right next to your enemies deployment zone.
Another idea is make the Cryptothrall a unit by themselves, allow all Crypteks (and only Crypteks) to join that unit and have it grant lone operative and feel no pain so they follow their lore as guardians for the Crypteks. It'd somewhat help the Psychomancer as I played one the other day with no unit attached and it's abilities battle shocked a unit and granted me some victory points - nobody wants to shoot a lone Crypteks 😂
My galaxy brain idea to fix cryptothralls is to give them the canoptek keyword, so if you attach them to immortals or warriors you can use the very good canoptek court stratagems like reactive subroutines on them
@@WorHammer40k He does a great breakdown of the changes, but I would be very interested in some analysis. He was focusing very much on OP, but I'm curious as to whether or not the units with increased costs are still viable. If a monolith is 400 points, what else fills the same role?
One potentially funny thing (that i don't belive works, but I'm not sure) is that the fight on death trigger after all opponets attack are done. Now I'm not sure how stratagems interract with units fighting on death, but if they do, you could use the undying legions Stratagem to potentially save the bodyguard unit from beeing destroyed even when your opponent totaly did destroy it in melee
I have two thought ptocesses with Cryptothralls and a bonus one in casual games. On one hand, theyre too overpriced and they dont do very much for their cost so just leave them at home. On the other, i think about their points to Wound value. Its 6 wounds total for 60 points. Thats 10 points per wound, the same as Warriors. So youre basically just adding 6 wounds to your 20 wound blob, then giving them a 5+++ with a technomancer which is basically a 33% wound increase which boosts it up further to about 33 wounds ablatively. Which is justifiable to me in that particular scenario. The bonus hand is when i stop caring and play Anrakyr the Traveller in Awakened Dynasty and create the Immortals of Death. Cryptothralls are pretty nasty with +1 to Hit and Wound with Wound Rerolls and the Hungry Void Stratagem. And dont even get me atarted on when Szeras is there
The discussion on this model actually brings up a question on reanimation for me. If my leader is attached to let’s say warriors and the warriors all die, my warriors no longer reanimate right? What happens if I have 2 leaders (overlord and cryptek)? Are they still a combined unit?
i honestly dont want to use cryptothralls because im still learning the game and the attached-unit-rules have a lot of "what if" cases i dont feel certain i can answer myself without accidentally cheating. like for example: what if i have 20 warriors and an overlord, the overlord gets hit with precision down 4 wounds. do i have to allocate all future wounds to him because wounds go to hurt models first? can i use the warriors d6 reanimation for the lord? what if the 20 warriors are down 3 wounds and the lord 2. i have to roll the reanimation for the whole unit, right? i dont get to roll a d6 and d3 for each, yes? can i use the warriors d6=6 reanimation on the warriors and use the overspill on the lord? do i have to heal the lord first since he is a wounded model? what if i have 20 warriors, an overlord, a plasmancer and 2 cryptothralls. if the plasmancer dies, do the cryptothralls get unattached? since thralls have a 3+ armour and warriors a 4+, i have to slow roll the 6 wounds at 3+ armour down bit by bit first, yes? if the thralls are dead and warriors are down 2 models, do i first have to fill them back up before i get to revive the thralls? since the thralls can be revived along the warriors as bodyguards, do they also get to use the d6 reanimation or only if there is overspill from resurrecting warriors? and then there is the whole "sharing keywords" thing i dont 100% get. i think its: the whole unit gets all keywords from its model, but not the model from the unit or something. or like, do all models in the unit gain all the keywords form all models of the unit?
@@danidanfm4005 if your overlord takes wounds from precision he doesnt have to keep taking wounds, unless they are from precision. Reanimation is for the whole unit but you can reanimate as you see fit; ie if you get 6w back you could heal your overlord and bring back 2 warriors, or bring back 2 cryptothralls, or bring back 1 crypto and 3 warriors, and so on...
@@WorHammer40k wow, thanks for telling me all this ^^ i wasnt around for 9th edition, but was it a finished game at the end by your standards? were any of the past editions? me and my friend are only starting out with 10th but the constant rule changes while we are still learning are not making it simple. (only being able to play once a month does not help either) we are considering either waiting till 10th is done and then sticking to it instead of moving to 11th, or going back to one of the finished editions and learning/playing that.
@@danidanfm4005 GW's business model now is to mirror video games. So we'll get constant rules updates to try and balance the game and keep it fresh. For new players we would recommend the Combat Patrol rules. Slightly simplified, but more importantly the rules are fixed
@@WorHammer40k you have to heal wounded models first; then you can allocate reanimation to whoever you want; so if the overlord is wounded; they have to be healed first
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Cryptothralls are bad, but one use can be attaching them to a unit of wraiths with a technomancer, technomancer has dimensional sanctum for the infiltrate. You can drop them down 9" from the enemy deployment zone and keep your wraiths alive longer and give a slightly better fnp to your technomancer. Makes them a slightly better tar pit right next to your enemies deployment zone.
@@arestheblue very good point!
Really hoping I can get use out of these guys cause they really make your Crypteks look just badass
@@artfrombelow they are such cool lil grumpy murder buckets
Another idea is make the Cryptothrall a unit by themselves, allow all Crypteks (and only Crypteks) to join that unit and have it grant lone operative and feel no pain so they follow their lore as guardians for the Crypteks. It'd somewhat help the Psychomancer as I played one the other day with no unit attached and it's abilities battle shocked a unit and granted me some victory points - nobody wants to shoot a lone Crypteks 😂
@@theprojectside6812 that's a great idea!
My galaxy brain idea to fix cryptothralls is to give them the canoptek keyword, so if you attach them to immortals or warriors you can use the very good canoptek court stratagems like reactive subroutines on them
@@supercrab221 ooh that would be good but would end up with op immortals/tesla mortal wound bombs
@@WorHammer40k it would still be limited to the model for that specific stratagem, so only the cryptek and thralls would get dev wounds for that one
@@supercrab221 ah yes, very true!
Would love an overview of the points changes! My necron list just got decimated. Multiple small units of deathmarks, two monoliths ☠️
@@TheChurchOfDinoJesus ouch! We feel for you.
IDIC Beer has a great breakdown of the changes on his channel
@@WorHammer40k He does a great breakdown of the changes, but I would be very interested in some analysis. He was focusing very much on OP, but I'm curious as to whether or not the units with increased costs are still viable. If a monolith is 400 points, what else fills the same role?
@@TheChurchOfDinoJesus very good question!
One potentially funny thing (that i don't belive works, but I'm not sure) is that the fight on death trigger after all opponets attack are done. Now I'm not sure how stratagems interract with units fighting on death, but if they do, you could use the undying legions Stratagem to potentially save the bodyguard unit from beeing destroyed even when your opponent totaly did destroy it in melee
@@TomtenPim sadly not
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I have two thought ptocesses with Cryptothralls and a bonus one in casual games.
On one hand, theyre too overpriced and they dont do very much for their cost so just leave them at home.
On the other, i think about their points to Wound value. Its 6 wounds total for 60 points. Thats 10 points per wound, the same as Warriors. So youre basically just adding 6 wounds to your 20 wound blob, then giving them a 5+++ with a technomancer which is basically a 33% wound increase which boosts it up further to about 33 wounds ablatively. Which is justifiable to me in that particular scenario.
The bonus hand is when i stop caring and play Anrakyr the Traveller in Awakened Dynasty and create the Immortals of Death. Cryptothralls are pretty nasty with +1 to Hit and Wound with Wound Rerolls and the Hungry Void Stratagem. And dont even get me atarted on when Szeras is there
@@caboose759 yes we talk about the 60pts for 6 wounds in the video.
Interesting idea on the hungry void!
how to play cryptothralls:
Don't
The discussion on this model actually brings up a question on reanimation for me. If my leader is attached to let’s say warriors and the warriors all die, my warriors no longer reanimate right? What happens if I have 2 leaders (overlord and cryptek)? Are they still a combined unit?
It says in the core rules that the Leaders separate, each forming their own individual units.
@@Donut-o good question! No, the lord and cryptek become 2 separate units at that point
i honestly dont want to use cryptothralls because im still learning the game and the attached-unit-rules have a lot of "what if" cases i dont feel certain i can answer myself without accidentally cheating.
like for example:
what if i have 20 warriors and an overlord, the overlord gets hit with precision down 4 wounds.
do i have to allocate all future wounds to him because wounds go to hurt models first?
can i use the warriors d6 reanimation for the lord?
what if the 20 warriors are down 3 wounds and the lord 2.
i have to roll the reanimation for the whole unit, right? i dont get to roll a d6 and d3 for each, yes?
can i use the warriors d6=6 reanimation on the warriors and use the overspill on the lord?
do i have to heal the lord first since he is a wounded model?
what if i have 20 warriors, an overlord, a plasmancer and 2 cryptothralls.
if the plasmancer dies, do the cryptothralls get unattached?
since thralls have a 3+ armour and warriors a 4+, i have to slow roll the 6 wounds at 3+ armour down bit by bit first, yes?
if the thralls are dead and warriors are down 2 models, do i first have to fill them back up before i get to revive the thralls?
since the thralls can be revived along the warriors as bodyguards, do they also get to use the d6 reanimation or only if there is overspill from resurrecting warriors?
and then there is the whole "sharing keywords" thing i dont 100% get.
i think its: the whole unit gets all keywords from its model, but not the model from the unit or something.
or like, do all models in the unit gain all the keywords form all models of the unit?
@@danidanfm4005 if your overlord takes wounds from precision he doesnt have to keep taking wounds, unless they are from precision.
Reanimation is for the whole unit but you can reanimate as you see fit; ie if you get 6w back you could heal your overlord and bring back 2 warriors, or bring back 2 cryptothralls, or bring back 1 crypto and 3 warriors, and so on...
@@WorHammer40k wow, thanks for telling me all this ^^
i wasnt around for 9th edition, but was it a finished game at the end by your standards?
were any of the past editions?
me and my friend are only starting out with 10th but the constant rule changes while we are still learning are not making it simple. (only being able to play once a month does not help either)
we are considering either waiting till 10th is done and then sticking to it instead of moving to 11th, or going back to one of the finished editions and learning/playing that.
@@danidanfm4005 GW's business model now is to mirror video games. So we'll get constant rules updates to try and balance the game and keep it fresh.
For new players we would recommend the Combat Patrol rules.
Slightly simplified, but more importantly the rules are fixed
@@WorHammer40k you have to heal wounded models first; then you can allocate reanimation to whoever you want; so if the overlord is wounded; they have to be healed first
Initially I expected some Necron warriors in overalls here.....
@@Mark.Matthews hahaha
The tragedy of GW intentionally bad design.
@@Pers0n97 it's possible they buff units til they sell loads, then nerf em. The old pump n dump
Deathmarks are 65 points now
@@adamdraeger2605 they are indeed.