What Makes Characters “Difficult" In TEKKEN 8
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What do you guys think makes a character difficult in this game? And which characters are the most difficult for you?
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2 factors:
1-Execution
2-Effectiveness of move set
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@@Boogard Gameplan is what makes a character hard imo. Sure execution is a big factor but with enough experience the execution becomes muscle memory. As much as I don't personally care for hwo, he is a great example. He has a hard gameplan along with some execution, he might be a scrub killer but in high level it's hard for him, he relies on mind games and since we only get ft3 now the hwo player don't have the time to condition as much. DVJ is very hard in 8 he is my third main (lol I dont have pockets but 5 mains) his gameplan is brutal with his lackluster pokes he relies on spacing and whiff punishing. Hei has always been my main main and used to be imo the hardest mishima but DVJ takes that role in 8. Bryan used to have a hard gameplan but now since everyone mashes nonstop, even at god ranks and higher, his ch game has simplified his plan. So ya imo gameplan 100%
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what makes a character difficult is, if I’m using it, my character is harder than yours
Beautifully stated.
I think law is the hardest character
I was gonna sarcastically say hwoarang is the hardest but i don't wanna get roasted 😅😂
Not fr. You clearly don’t play hard characters
Play Raven you will lose your mind
I main Kazuya not because he's hard, but because he's cool and fun. That's something I want to stress; people really shouldn't worry about whether their character is more difficult than another because at the end of the day were all just trying to have a good time. Whether Kazuya is hard or not, wavedashing is my favorite thing ever, and that's what matters :)
100% agreed
As a 20 year Hei / kaz main I agree! I don't even think about if my mains are hard or not with enough experience execution becomes second nature. A lot of my sparring partners are also Mishimas but have that "pride" and it is annoying 😅 and yes wavu is fun af!
If anything you said was true: then everyone would have played Ganryu in T7 because his fight style is so cool and powerful but his lore of being a perverted old aged simp for someone half his age is the reason why people dont play him
Bro said have a good time in tekken
100% agree with the list. Having no panic buttons really make it that you win by reading your opponent the whole time and adjusting accordingly. No stupid strings to get easy wins.
I'm new to tekken and picked up tekken 8 about 3 months ago now. As a kaz/hei main, this video really resonates with me, and I really appreciate you explaining other characters' gameplans and how they specialize in certain categories. It allows me to appreciate those who play them, and helps in implementing counterplay. I reached Garyu with heihachi about a week ago and I'm planning on improving with my mishimas and ascending to higher ranks. Your videos rock dude!
3 months in a game people have played for 20+ years. Be proud whatever rank u reach by the end of it.
@whydoyoukeeptalking Thank you! I appreciate the uplifting advice.
I saw a statistic that showed that Garyu is the rank with the most players. I’m also new to this and I remember spending way more time in Garyu months ago than with the other ranks
lol. Now I’m at Fujin.
People playing this game 20 year+ had to learn without RUclips or internet in general and wherent exploiting the input system with all button controllers and such... Just sayin
Im not a legacy player but stuff like this gets hella overlooked
The hardest thing about Tekken will always be the variety of moves each character has. I find myself always wondering what my opponent is going to do next and it gets worse with the number of moves I know a character has. Since I started with Jin in February, I've picked up Paul, Shaheen, Lee, Lidia, and Heihachi. Even though I'm much more familiar with punishing unsafe moves, I find myself overthinking about my opponent's options a lot more.
I mean on average people usually don’t use more than 15 to 25 moves
That's your first issue: you're overthinking. The average number of moves a player realistically uses on any given character is around 15(the exceptions being unorthodox, heavy stance characters like Yoshi, Xiaoyu, Hwoarang, or grapplers like King). And the moves people use the most are their i10--i15 moves, as well as WR and WS moves. You're honestly lucky characters like Lei Wulong, Lucky Chloe and Ganryu aren't in the game because you'd have a harder time keeping up with how many moves they have.
As a Kazuya main for 20 years, I assure you most of us choose him because dude’s cool we’re attached to him. lol. It’s more about enjoying the game than mastering it specially that most kept up with the whole storyline creating an emotional connection to it.
The 100+ move lists are what make it hard imo
Definitely a major factor
Tekken 8 was the first Tekken I was serious about learning, first tekken I played was Tekken 5 and I just button mashed like a dumbass, but I loved how Steve was on that game, years later when I decided to play Tekken again I took the time to kinda learn how to actually Steve and after an hour of learning him my fingers hurt. I eventually managed to get him to Red ranks which I know isnt that good but for me who only now played tekken in a serious way, I would say that was a good rank to even get. Young me decided to main steve when I was still a button masher and I will die on that hill, even if it drives me crazy sometimes 🤣
My ass pkays Claudio I ain't EVER gonna learn execution or what benifit it brings
Respectable
/watch?v=n-cJdy4q0p0
You should honestly be proud still cause even though claudio is basic and easy he requires insane fundamentals claudio is the fundamental character to me at least.
@@Notwedsquid WR2
@@baldsclipsandvideos7027 thats like almost every character drag victor lidia its not just Claudio sure his stronger but he has like almost no moves thats why he’s a monster right now, if he had more moves wr2 would’ve been nerfed by now
kaz main here, it's true that he is difficult especially if you're trying to implement defense into his playstyle because he don't have easy button below i15, but kaz imo has a 2 playstyle, defensive and offensive, keisuke define this offensive playstyle really well and I also play kazuya offensively (believe it or not I will try to electric jin if he does f4 zen or if I find some gap in strings in any character) both playstyle is so difficult because with defensive you have to be able to electric because you dont have any other punish below 15f, while offensive kazuya you have to constantly take risk getting side stepped or your hellsweep getting blocked, kaz is the definition of a good character locked behind execution and mind games, thank you for making this video gang :)
Try playing Kazuya with Parkinson's disease and a regular playstation controller. Yes, I'm a masochist, but I think that's what makes Tekken so helpful for my disease. The difficult inputs, along with the reaction time, really help with my brain coordination.
On a side note: I gained a whole layer of respect for Hwo players since trying to play as him. He's very hard.
Scrubs will never admit that last part lol. They see button after button.
@Jamal.O he is absolutely not a button mashing, brainless character. He is extremely difficult. He has so many stances, it's not even funny. I respect Hwo players, honestly.
I wont lie i dont know why peeps think playstation controller makes EWGF or OTGF that hard, cuz to me, you can use the dpad and/or L stick to try either
Tho i guess everyone has their weakness cuz i cant taunt jet upper or blue spark shining wizard :(
@HELLRAISER02 I don't know what it is, but I have a hard time with it. I have good days and bad days with the disease, so it's even worse. I can buy a stick, but then I would have to learn a whole new system, and I'm scared. You know, at least my controller is the devil I know.
@@Gen.Rhapsodos hwoarang is definitely a scrub killer. But high rank hwoarangs are usually insanely good players.
Started playing Bryan recently, my respect for Bryan players have grown
He so much fun :)
I liked him better in T7, but he's still my favorite in T8
the gameplan, the reads needed and counterhits when using bryan is unreal. Also he has off set moves that causes combos to drop.
@@NeilPerrieMAbit It's really hard to drop a Bryan combo.. His B&B are really easy.
@@Mad77max77as a Bryan player myself I can say his combos are somewhat easy, but they do drop sometimes. For instance, jetupper into qcf34. Sometimes the first knee from qcf34 hits but the other whiffs. In another instance, if you don’t get a deep dash or realign yourself to do his b3f21 combo ender, your ender will drop often. This is for optimal combos tho. Easy ones usually don’t drop
As a hwo main looking at ling crush his mids in this video is pain lol
I personally think that after a time playing Steve the difficulty just goes down, you get to understand him along with the other characters and you're good to go!
Yoshi is diffuclt to "learn" you either being consistent and easy to predicted or so goofy you outdone your opponent mental health
Yeah, as a mishima main, I picked up yoshi just because, and learning him was a blast. The one thing I will say though, his fundamentals are very strong, and you don't even need most of his stances and moves to do well with him. You can legit just use df2, ws2, 1,1, 3,1, b2,2, hopkick, lows, unblockable low, f1+2 oki, and you will do fine with him with a gameplan that's as simple as kazuyas.
You don't need to play him in a specialist way anymore, like in previous tekken games. All that learning of gimmicks only give you a better mental stack.
@SMHETDovydas nahh hes neutral is suck and his good low lock behind full crouch positition and his movement sidestepping is sht
But hes a beast if you play for setup mixups and do goofy thing with him even in t7 hes potential is heldback by the game mechanic
While consistent gameplay is good but it easy for the opponent to predicted every move and my personal experience my friend managed to beat yoshoin every set because hes know yoshi game from training with me
@@bamantioiindrahidayat9062 hes hella braindead tho, unblockable wake up and spam flash in the middle of ur enemy string...
Your videos are really interesting to watch,especially your commentary. Keep them coming 👍
I feel like Xiaoyu and Yoshi are particularly interesting examples of characters when it comes to difficulty. Their execution is somewhat easy, I'm thinking maybe iws2 looping on xiaoyu is a bit difficult but really nothing too complicated. In the other 2 aspects though, they are super complex and their gameplan is super odd compared to the rest of the tekken cast. They rely almost solely on 2 things: Finding gaps in your knowledge about them, or goading you into making a mistake. If you encounter them at a somewhat decent level, sometimes it feels like they're just chaotically jumping across the screen without any rhyme or reason.. but recently playing a lot of TK, GoD lings and yoshis they are super acutely aware of what they are doing and why - which I find super impressive.
Don't get me wrong heavy execution is a marvel to behold, but I also love looking at people that have to get super creative in the way they move and attack to either get in a position where they get to test you or flat out seduce you into thinking that this is the moment to press.
Most of the tekken casts gets there with strong moves that get you into plus, or simple sidesteps, but characters like ling, yoshi and lei have to find a corner to squeeze in based on what you do and just hope for the best that you don't know how to fight against that specific corner of moves.
If you've ever played as, or against someone that knows these characters incredibly well, they have to have SO MANY moves on their mind to still trick you it's completely crazy.
Sure, at lower ranks this feels just like ungabunga because you get snake-edged, cali-rolled, or flashed, but at higher ranks there is so much nuance
theres also things like for Leo, KNK Cancel is an insane input to get consistent despite the character being easy
I once tried Steve in training mode, and after half an hour looking through his moves I was like: No, nope, not doing that. Hardest char for me
Steve my favorite I'm good with him (pause)
I’ve never seen people being as elitist about playing hard characters as in this game
I think it’s fine to be proud about playing a hard character but I think it’s cringe when people pick a hard character and then use that as an excuse for them losing.
@@SFR_FGC I mean it can be a valid excuse though. For example, I struggle to get past fujin on Mishimas but on Clive I reached Bushin just a couple of days after I bought him
@@jackholt6860Not a fair comparison, though, because a lot of the wins would be from lack of knowledge about Clive from the opponents since he is very new while everyone knows Mishima's kit by now.
Steve is most likely the only character you can put in all 3 topics.
Steve’s not super execution heavy compared to Bryan or the mishimas, but he’s certainly in the second 2 categories.
@@The_Buff_GuyHe doesn't need crazy execution to throw his moves out, but if you want to make them safe you have to cancel the recovery with his stances, then cancel the stance. Stringing those cancels to optimize pressure/evasion/safety is what makes Steve execution heavy imo
@@Limaonyxfax
@The_Buff_Guy steve is heavy execution lol. His cancles are how you keep him safe or expand his combos. Mishimas are so overrated on their difficulty.
@@The_Buff_Guy bryan is overall much easier execution wise than Steve because you only need bryans execution in some situations like landing a taunt. With steve you need his execution just to play him properly. I play steve and mishima's and steve is harder imo.
"To be a Mishima main is to suffer, To suffer is to be a Mishima main" 😎😎😎
Def not all Mishimas but def taking a big undertaking
@JMproductions7 99 percent of Mishima's
mishimas have the strongest noves in the game
@tristanherb49 Bryan too locked menus l behind execution
@@traezaX1 im not gonna lie bro, yall are a bunch of spammers.
The hardest thing will always be execution. Which is why Dpad sucks.
You have no idea how many times I've thought of giving up on Steve because of his ridiculous difficulty. My boy Miguel hasn't arrived yet, so I had to take a character I thought was almost as cool as him
I think what truly makes a character difficult is the button input to on-screen output ratio.
Characters who any beginner can pick up and master over a few weeks like Tekken 8 Dragunov or launch Tekken 7 Leroy which made the average players compete with pros are the best example of objectively easy. Characters who are not in this category aka Steve Devil Jin Kazuya Asuka Zafina Raven who even pro players struggle to win with are objectively hard.
P.s if they're intent and hell bent on keeping Steve and Devil Jin low tier then they should simplify the button input barrier to these characters. That level of just frame stance transitions combo into heat mechics only to get 80 Dmg max while average Lilly Yoshi Shaheen Dragunov get 80% is pretty bad balancing
Man I tried SO HARD to pick up Steve in this game, but I found myself just slipping back into playing my main(s).
There’s too many cool characters! I may have to try and pick him up again
Great Video! Next time show the players, the movelist length of King and Hwoarang :DDD I'm getting furious when people call Hwoarang easy and brain dead...
I can understand where they come from, but 98% of these guys never went into practice mode or tried to learn Hwoarang properly.
Awesome video as always bro
I main Steve is not because hes a hard character and I want to boast about playing him, its because I actually train Boxing irl and love watching Boxing, the slip and rip feels so good to pull off, and Steve is basically how we supposed to fight irl, just some simple punch combination to damage the opponent and avoid getting hit at the same time
1:41 bro said "us Mishimas players" maining Jin and Reyna 😭😭😭
Lmfao
He also play devil jin so idk if he is allowed in the family
@@_Hache__ idk bro, he prioritized Heihachi over Lee as a counterhit character 😬😬
my heihachi is in emperor and my devil jin is tekken king lol
@@BoogardNA emperor is EU or ME orange ranks LMAOOO
I disagree with your point on Hwoarang and Xiayou. They're very easy to play, hard to master. Learning so little on these characters can take you so far.
I generally prefer to play easier characters in Tekken, not because I'm not interested in growing as a player, but because I would rather focus on the aspects of the game that aren't character-centric like movement, reads, and picking up on/punishing habits my opponent is displaying. Having to think about all of that AND the correct execution for my character is not why I'm here haha. I just want to get my basic gameplan and some simple combos down and then focus on the micro-interactions from there, which is way more fun for me. My dopamine rush from fighters doesn't come from landing specific combos (which is awesome if you are into that), it comes from that moment of "I FUCKING KNEW YOU WERE GOING LOW THERE, GET LAUNCHED." That moment of knowing that you were two steps ahead is like nothing else.
I hear that, getting a nice hard read is pretty rewarding. I'm one of those players that like stylish combos in all fighting games I play.
The reason why I enjoy playing Steve quite a lot is that he emulates real life boxing, so that I enjoy doing. The second you begin to get angry and throw things out without thinking, that is the exact moment you begin to fail. As soon as you begin to lose track of what you're doing, get angry for you in a second, or let your game plan get sloppy, Steve completely loses any value.
Another great video keep up the good work
Appreciate your constant support :)
MK could never understand this lmaooo. Tekken and Bryan will always be bringing me that challenge i crave in fighting games
When I played Tekken for the first time I liked Kazuya because his hair reminded me of Vegeta. I also liked Paul because his hair reminded me of Guile. I always advise people to pick a main based off their looks first - you will learn soon enough if their toolkit is okay for you.
7:27 i feel like this only describes her in tournament play / tekken god ranks and above. which gives a false/incorrect image of the effort and complexity she actually takes online
the char online who has 100 cheesy flowcharts and ultra bs evasiveness is not this deep in tekken king and below.
to beat xiayou you need:
- you need to know your char´s xiayou match up well, some of her evasive stuff needs to be checked with super spesific quick mids or long range neutrals depending on which char you play, this adds an entire new layer of complexity fighting her, and its not just "shes -13 i can do my 13f punish" like 99% of the cast
- need to understand what options she gets from the 3 stances, which are already like 15+ moves and their properties
-understand that the xiayou player can choose to go from x to y stance from certain strings, which if you dont and they catch you pressing or waiting, they might just cheese you if you dont recognize the visual ques on what strings theyre using and transitions, lili has this but to a way smaller extent, as her 2 stances are incredibly easy to recognize, not the case with xiayou and way harder to keep track of 15+ moves instead of the 5-6 lili gets.
-take constant 50/50´s which you just have to guess, ik most of the cast in this game gets trashed on and this might be a low hanging fruit, but xiayous heat smash and her 50/50´s over all are just on another level.
-be twice as patient, because this might be the best character in the game who punishes you for trying to PLAY the game. unlike bryan where its easy to recognize where he is trying to ch / launch you, xiayou might do 2 transitions instantly into a low evasive launcher or a mid heat engager, and you wont have any idea of whats going on until you lab her, and see she has 100 situations like that which youre never going to learn fully unless you dedicate yourself to this game at the fullest
this character isnt that deep sadly in most scenarios, in tournament play i 100% agree the guy playing her needs to be creative and use everything.. but 99% of the online just doesn't know the match up dude, turning xiayou mains into super easy to figure out flowcharters who crumble once they find a guy that actually understands the match up and their 20 move rotation
you got demo'd by a xiaoyou just now, weren't you
@@parry3439 Sorry man, tekken player logic of "lol you lost get mad" does not really prove anything wrong.
do you by chance main xiayou btw
But on the other side they need to lab when their evasive option works. And ofc their setups. She is actually pretty easy to punish, if she makes a mistake btw.
@@parry3439 you play xiaoyu don't you?
@@ragnarok7452They don't need to lab that because every character only has 2 moves that can even hit her in AOP duck and she can jump and cancel out of that stance. Most of her moves are safe or evasive so she's not easy to punish
I think Paul is such an interesting character because he's easy to learn and be successful with early, but extremely hard to master and be successful with later. I love him for it.
Lee is very execution based character. Definitely difficult.
I wish raven wasnt so overlooked, hes so gotdamn execution heavy and has like 3 different stances/dashes and soulzone mixups, backturned gameplans and parrys, and is probs the most honest character in the game, but continually gets overlooked because of how much of a masochist you gotta be to put hours into the damn dude
Oh absolutely, Im trying to learn him now, and his movelist isn't hard, his game plan isn't hard, it's honestly the same as Yoshimitsu's, but my God the implementation is so hard with him, because you need insane defense, unlike Yoshi for the first few ranks.
Raven is not hard at all nor is his execution it's just the defense side that's weird
@ if dat were true there would be more ppl playing raven
@@amirzuniga8475 nah it's just there's better characters to play
@amirzuniga8475 like I said it's just his defense side that's weird to do the rest it's not hard at all and his gameplan is simple and straightforward
Raven is pretty hard on paper because you need to be good on condition confirming to execute his stuff, so you need to constantly see what your opponent is reacting to every move you do. On reality people don't know what Raven does and you get away with many unsafe things hahaha
For me Kazuya is the easiest character in the game to play well, because I only have to play my opponent and not think about what flowcharts I should use. Just pure mind games. Excecution is easy for me compared to complexity. I can't play Reina or Jin because I just start spamming flowcharts and become predictible... Feels like the more simple a character is the better I can pilot them.
@treeblast this is what I like about him the most. He feels like an old school fighting game character. Easy, straightforward game plan with no gimmicks. I have a hard time with execution and reaction time due to my disease, but I think the other characters are way more overwhelming than him.
As a new player that only knows how to play Yoshi and doesn't have any experience with fighting games, I have to say I don't even have a gameplan. I just learned 28939287 moves and 7836 stances he has and reached Battle ruler by watching a lot of your videos. Your videos helped me understand some of the Tekken lingo and what frames are (still don't know what my safe moves are, I just do the "faster" ones on instinct). I still get lost when everyone talks in those code words so effortlessly lol. In my experience people usually don't know how to defend when I just mix up a lot of different moves that really shouldn't go together. Confuse and conquer I guess.
Nice video! What do you think of Jack-8 regarding Execution/Skill Celing, Moveset Complexity and Difficulty of Gameplan?
Another element is movement options. Some characters are difficult barely being able to access all degrees of movement
As a lee, lars and law Player i can only say that in tekken 8 especialy the heat can make a huge diffrence if a char is hard or not. Law and lars get so good with heat that the gameplay becomes way more easy and straight forward. With lee heat is just a defensive option or conbo extender. Even if execution for perfect imputs are gone in heat the Gameplan has to stay the same cause i dont get a big upgrade to before and no panic options, like law's auto perry or lars dash
my character uses wingchun is enough for me... skill ceiling? infinite
The thing that makes a character difficult is first obviously execution learning the characters move set but also the biggest one gameplans.
I picked up Lee, only to find out he’s pretty agreed upon to be hard to master. There’s so much that I still mess up with him😅
i am a steve main and i have spent hours trying to get better, idek how many days i spent trying to perfect my moves counter hit, utilizing more moves in ranked. this video helped alot tho, now i can rub it in my friends faces :)
i also subbed hope it helps :)
When I played Tekken2 in the Arcade I picked Bruce, then I picked Bryan and sticked to him as my main character in any Tekken game... it's been like 27 years
With that said I never pulled off Taunt+Jet upper in a real match. Because that was never necessary to get my wins... or my loss because I didn't care that much.
If Taunt+Jet Upper was necessary to win a game, I wouldn't care losing it. But wining is so much fun in those games :D
My mains are Steve and Reina. I can see why someone would think they were hard, but they just feel so and comfortable natural to me. I learn every character in every game, but some characters just... click.
Started playing in tekket since t7, my main was dragunov and I absolutely liked his gameplan in t7.
Pretty steppable, he has a good panic button like qcb+2 and a full throw game (which in t7 was much less powerfull), when I was starting play T8, I fastly change my main to Devil Jin, just because Drag became too easy character, and his gameplan fully changed to just kill the opponent by using cheap damage.
After I take Tekken King on DJ, I started playing Lee Chaolan, and it's fun, but after DJ, Lee seems for me like a S tier char in spite of his execution and game plan difficult. He has all tools against any matchup on the game, when in DJ you only can use 10-15 moves in high rank, without a risk be beaten for this.
I'm a Raven main, so I have a weird combination of high execution and strange mixups ppl dont know how to deal with. I know he's generally considered bottom tier, but I've loved the character since Master Raven in Tekken 7. I think the character is one of the most interesting in Tekken, and that's why I play him (or her)
Raven bottom tier?? Lol
@@livingashtree1942 what's your opinion on Raven? I personally don't think he's bottom tier because of his insane mixup ability but in the Tekken content creator space, he's almost always placed low on the list, that's what I'm saying.
Boogard, i have started a clownshow on YT. i am now doing the rounds and asking other Tekken / jin players about this. Are you free to answer some of my questions regarding Jins lows? if you ignor this, STILL know that i watched a lot of your videos and appreciate you. greetings from germany.
I agree mishimas r really hard to play when I first started with kazuya I was losing completely to everyone
But when u understand mishima u understand tekken
So I guess its time to nerf Devil Jin
1:24 bro snuck in an ongbal elden ring clip 😂
I came into tekken 8 with a very different fighting game background, after playing the game a while ai think you are 100% right. I still think characters in Tekken’s individual difficulty is somewhat exaggerated (at least for Tekken 8), but the hard characters really emphasize the topics mentioned and the examples were great
As someone who just got into tekken with tekken 8 u speaking the truth because those speciality characters go crazy i don’t envy ppl who play them lol
I play Lee and Steve, some of the hardest characters on the game
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I main steve since T7, but in 8 ive gotten more advanced so not only do i play steve, but i play bryan, heihachi, lee, lidia, and jin
@@oneeyedbandit2419who
Glitches and bugs is what makes Bryan frustrating to play. Near and at the wall almost all of his moves will go through the opponent. He will SS an opponent only for him to not align with them and whiff off into space. He has a precise hitbox, but his hurtbox is huge.
Bryan also lacks moves with enough plus frames to setup up traps for combo/CH. You’re still stuck using your plus frames reading your opponent and moving.
I main hwoarang. I was close to making xiaoyu my secondary but went lili instead. I don't need two complex characters.
Love your consistency , keep going 💫
In ranked.... you meet blue ranked players who do 100 electrics without dropping it.
cheat. Real players don't do that.
@armorking2832 yeah.... pretty much. But since it's a part of the game that the devs don't care about... it's kinda officially a part of the game to use macros for pewgf
I felt personally singled out by how unbelievably on point you were with the dark souls comparison.
Reina's difficulty stems from her gameplan and complex move set, but i wouldn't say she's as hard as something like kazuya (mainly because of df2). For those who are about to say: " you just do ff2 ", i just wished it worked ,cause most of the time you either get interrupted or ducked which on the latter case 🫡.
After getting might ruler I switched from Jin to Reina and got to mighty ruler instantly because everyone just ate the ff2 sen 3 and mashed into flash punch combo. But now people actually have braincells 😢low key though it is more fun to have to think/learning to hit confirm ff2 sen 1 and not just instantly beat other new players.
@HONEST-xj4rr the higher you climb ff2 starts to degrade and become your standard demon paw with the risk of getting launched if you use a sentai option .
@@lumineanwari2126 and reina cant heat dash from her demon paw (needs to take the risk to get launched), also has the SAME range as dvj ff2 and the cherry on top is that can be easily side steppable.
I main Kazuya, in Tekken 5: DR
I honestly agree with him.
The more reactive you are forced to play a character in tekken 8 to get the most out of a character, the more difficult your character is.
I don't exactly mean "defensive". It's like how i think steve needs to actively enforce a poke heavy gameplan until he can capitalize on mistakes. Where Lee can do something similar with the addition of having a reliably safe method of throwing out hitboxes at a keepout range that can punish a wide variety of impatient players.
Both difficult characters with a defensive style, but one depends on reacting to the opponent's style of play and the other has more ways to punish an opponent with a lesser read on playstyle.
Tekken is hard lol😂
Love the videos man! When will you make another rank distribution video?
What also makes a character hard to play is how well people are prepared against them.
Characters like Shaheen, Zafina, Alisa or Bears are easy to win with, not because theyre strong or easy to play. But because no one labs them unless you're absolutely serious about Tekken.
Other characters Asuka have as good as no execution (except her wc df2 ch cc df2 combo) but everyone knows how to dealcwith her xD
i play jun and her main combos are rlly easy but man her other stance combos (excluding tsukiyomi) they are so hard to pull off
as a long time Tekken player, loved this video!
I hate it so much when people said bryan is easy when all they do is prolly go into practice mode, try his combo and said "oh he's easy".
“This is why us Mishima players have such pride”.
I definitely need to chill on that, so true 😂
As a Steve and a Kazuya main from Tekken 7, one thing that I can tell is that how the game treats your character. How I say this is that when you play as your character, the game gives you options on what to do and how much will you get out of it, to me, Kazuya and Steve are characters that has a huge risk since Kazuya is so predictable to the point that all you need to do is side step to the left, this puts you at a greater risk since your attacks are easy to counter.
Steve, being the only boxer, is put at a major disadvantage since the only way to score points in boxing is by punching the face and the body. When you have your hands as the main tools of your kit, people will watch pay attention to your hands and they can just duck your attacks since they hit high or mid points of the opponent's body. You can step or punch the foot but it's not like you can kick as a boxer, in fact, when you play as Steve, you can only sway with your body when you press the kick buttons (3 and 4).
The reason why characters can be hard in the first place is because you need to play them in a different way to win, it's not like you need to worry about execution or the fact that you have an unique moveset when you play a character like Alisa or Jin. Steve and Kazuya are the testaments of this since you have to realize that spamming buttons as Kazuya won't work as if you're playing Eddy or Hwoarang in Tekken 3. And that's why these characters can be considered difficult.
Actually Steve has a foot stomp that hits low and a hop kick that launches
@ape0905a I'll admit that but if we were to compare characters like Jin and Bryan, they fight with kicks. Steve can't do that as freely as them.
I play and main steve because he's boxing, nothing more or less
He is so hot and sexy I totally agree with you ma dawg
If you’re struggling with Steve I promise you can do it. I’m a scrub and I made it to fujin at least with him. I’m truly a fan of the character and boxing. I’m telling you guys if I can do it, you all most definitely can. My goal is G.O.D ultimately. Keep grinding 🙌🏾
3:52 me literally mastering the taunt jet uppercut in 1 week
Dude can I have your autograph
Having a character that requires you to block.
1:41 "that's why us mishima players have such pride"🙏😭 my brother in christ the jin you main is a fake mishima
as a bryan main, yes.
Raven? Lee? Claudio? Some of the most difficult and high risk characters in the game.
That list fully describes lee chaolan. Even his movement is difficult. Playing him smoothly is an achievement. Winning aside
King has been the most dumbed down character in tekken 8 next to yoshimitsu and Jin.
forgetting Law?
Yoshi isn't dumbed down he's just buff as fuck in this game. A few nerfs and he'll be back to being a specialist troll character
I thought steve was supposed to be the easy character, I don’t have to worry much about kicking since he doesn’t really have kicks
what even claudio do in higher rank since his key move are so few that good player already knew it
Nina has so many difficulties in mastery but with her heat burst and having almost no bad strings makes her too rewarding for any learning. Nobody is denying her hayashida ss and butterfly loops, it just sucks that it’s undermined by the ease of use of the heat system.
Basically a character becomes hard if they have scars
Azucena / eddy are my mains. I wanna give Raven , Leroy, Lars, and Reina another shot.
I have no problems with the difficulty difference between characters, i have a problem with people using that as an excuse and just being plain annoying because of that.
Good video, but I wonder why you said ch gameplan is easier with Lee
I feel like it's also hard with Lee since you have to commit SO hard in a lot of situations with his best ch tools, since most of them are counterable, unlike Steve's b1, which in hindsight is almost impossible to anything about, not to say that its easier to land, but you get my point
11:47 there are a lot of reasons that tekken characters can be hard, but asuka is usually the reason I'm hard
As a Paul main myself. He has a stubby jab few punish options. And you actually have to actively think and. Out play your opponent fr fr
Do a video on every characters game plan in tekken.👍
It explains why Leroy is not as popular as he was in tekken 7. His defensive gameplay became very hard by adding tons of unblockable moves and grab being unblockable while parrying and highly nerfed sabaki. Most youtuber in tekken are saying that Leroy is easy but it's not at all. You have to parry on reaction and you don't have safe launcher.
I main Xiaoyu, and i love that i have to play with her who movelist. It took a while to find another character i thought was even half as fun as her. It ended up being Feng. He has so many tools but doesn't have to use all of them.
Nice vid
Thanks!
Kazuya and Bryan are not hard, red ranks can do electrics and wavedash without knowing fundamentals, it's a joke.
I bet you got destroyed by every kaz/Bryan player so you're hating
That's not what makes them hard
Yeah everyone can tell you don’t know what you’re talking about dude. Sit this one out.