How does the M4 Pro MacMini do on exporting iMovie projects? I do a lot of 40 min videos with iMovie and I am curious how the Mini Pro will improve this. I have found no videos on RUclips on this.
Everyone who has a 256GB or 512GB internal SSD, do a black magic speed test - then ask someone who has a 2TB internal SSD to do the same - THAT is what "Apple Tax" gets you. If your first instinct is to question "why do you NEED that speed?", you're missing the point.
Stop justifying the ridiculous prices they are charging. There is nothing unique or special about these chips, the extra speed from higher storage is just a feature of raid 0 they are configured in. The rest of the industry has passed on the falling NAND chip prices while Apple is still charging prices from a decade ago. Watch the prices of other SOCs with similar tech like Snapdragon, they are not charging these outrageous prices for storage.
@@findingthereal9052 I get it - you’re too damn broke to buy a proper machine. Save up, kiddo. Meanwhile, those of us who can afford nice things will live our lives. LOLOL
@@LiesureSuitLarry way to reinforce the Apple fanboy stereotype, Larry, too much money and a tiny package. I'm pretty sure the most taxing thing you've ever done with your 'proper machine' is watch cat videos. Fool, money, etc. Go back to the Land of the Lounge Lizard, loser.
A MacBook Air m2 and an iPhone 16 base models of everything that use case would be great on just about any phone and MacBook made on the last 4 years but this combo would give you great support for the next 4-5 years of updates.
You made a quick mention about the thunder drive and how one of those drives is your Plex library. So I’m assuming you’re running a full Plex server off your M4 Pro while using it for editing photos or video. I want to do the same thing, edit 4k vid, photos, and run a Plex server. Do you see any performance issues either with the M4 Pro or the Plex server? At the moment I can only upgrade from my i7 iMac. Not upgrade and get an older Mac Mini to run a Plex serve too.
Nitty gritty details: In the ThunderBay, I have four 8 TB drives. I have them configured in Disk Utility as a RAID set, formatted as APFS, with two volumes sharing the full capacity. One volume is Time Machine, another volume is file storage and the Plex library. It's absolutely more than capable of managing it all. Looking in Disk Utilty, the Mac barely ever breaks a sweat. You don't need two Macs.
@ that is exactly what I was hoping for! Planning on pulling the trigger on the M4 Pro Mac Mini with the 10gb/s Ethernet port in about two weeks. Future proofing, as I tend to keep my mac’s till I hit that hard wall of tech that makes them almost irrelevant and frustrating to use. Currently have almost 2tb of videos on a google drive and it’s just to costly to keep. With a few (not quite insignificant) upfront costs it’ll be cheaper to run and add more content and storage as I go and keep my subscription costs to clients low. So thank you!
We all rock our computing setups differently. I use a Cambridge Audio DAC Magic to a Naim Nate 5 amplifier and Gale speakers. You’d think music was my business, but I’m an engineer.
For the first time, the pro version is really a pro version. Getting the Unbinned version gives you two more performance cores and not one of each. I have upgraded already and I keep smiling 😊😊😊
I really like "Trickle Down performance is real". I like how it is both true, but kind the opposite of how apple designs its silicon, which is really Trickle Up. The value proposition for these minis, especially the non-upgraded SKUs is really quite impressive. Good video.
I’ll go for the top Mini with 1 Tb of storage, so $1799. My 4 year old M1 Mini has 512 and is full and my 2 Tb external drive just stopped working and so far has only been partially recoverable. So I’ll pay for plenty of storage. I use Pixelmator super resolution daily so the performance boost is welcome. At the price of less than I used to pay for good laptops 20 years ago this new Mini is super value for money.
The mid big Nerf was only one encoder engine. M2 studio has two. I really wish Apple had put two in the high-end pro and comes out with Four for the next studio.
The Pricing Problem Nothing highlights this more than the fact that you can buy a base M4 Mac mini with 16GB of memory and 256GB of storage for $599. If you want to upgrade those, your option is to increase the memory to 32GB and the storage to 512GB. If you do, the cost will be $1,199, which is more than double the price of the base model you started with. You could literally buy two base model Mac Minis, have the same amount of memory and storage, and also have $1 left over. I understand memory (and storage, for that matter) don’t work that way, but it highlights how ridiculous the upgrade pricing is. It feels like a pure cash grab from customers, which is the type of thing no company should ever do
Buy one of the other models, and then even adding the extra ram, it won't be double the base model. The majority of sales will be the base model, so obviously they're produced iin quantity at a good price. If you want an individual spec, be prepared to pay for something that's not produced in many thousands.
A great review and comparisons - but seriously, how can all you reviewers keep on about the price savings without considering that THIS MACHINE HAS NO SCREEN (nor keyboard nor mouse for that matter). So, unless you already have a screen, a new mini plus studio monitor is the way more expensive (£2100) than an equivalent iMac (£1300), albeit you get a 3” bigger screen with the mini option. I can get a 24gb memory, 1TB storage version of the iMac for exactly the same price as the Studio screen and base Mac mini. That is a crap ton of price or spec difference!
Three counterpoints: Most people buying a desktop computer already have a display, keyboard and mouse. Even if you're starting from scratch, you don't need to buy the Apple Studio Display. The Asus ProArt display featured in this video is half the price of the Studio Display, and before that, I was using a $300 LG display. But really, even if you're buying a MacBook, you probably want to have a desktop display, keyboard and mouse too. Show me the person who's seriously cross-shopping a desktop Mac mini with a 27-inch Studio Display but decides to do all their work on a single 14-inch screen instead.
@ I think you’re missing a big demographic. I, for example, have a 2017 27” iMac in need of upgrade so have no screen to reuse, and I know many people who move from a laptop to a desktop when they retire (yes, older people use computers too!) I also personally never used an external screen when I did use a laptop, nor does my wife even now. The computer buying world are not all video editors! Finally, you even make my own point! Who IS cross shopping a Mac mini with a big screen and also using a high end MacBook? My exact point is nobody is doing that. Sure, many people, as you say, will have a bigger screen for their MacBook, but it does not really work in reverse - and there are a lot of those people around. Anyway, I don’t want to sound too critical as your video was great - it is just that NOBODY doing all these almost fanboy-like reviews and comparison videos ever accounts for the cost of a screen and accessories, and frankly comparing the price of a bare mini with a MacBook is just crazy unless that is factored in.
@@tn_onyoutube8436 I've been waiting for a new 27 inch iMac for years, and have given up. A mini and a 34 inch +screen will have to do. At least I'll never have to pull the screen off my iMac again.
Indeed, at least when comparing to a MacBook which comes with all of those. I guess if you have an old computer or mini but own a screen and keyboard it’s fair, but otherwise, you’re right. I’m looking at this now - a new mini plus studio monitor is the way more expensive (£2100) than an equivalent iMac (£1300), albeit you get a 3” bigger screen with the mini option. I can get a 24gb memory, 1TB storage version of the iMac for exactly the same price as the Studio screen and base Mac mini. That is a crap ton of price or spec difference!
Love technology moving forward. Have owned three Apple Mac mini's over the years. Not willing to play the Apple Tax of $800.00 US for storage level I want of 2TB. Thing is you can purchase 2TB SSD storage for around $139.00 US these days. Would be willing to pay Apple extra $200.00 US for 2TB. Now it looks like with at least the M4 Apple Mac mini third parties might be able to sell us 2TB SSD storage modules for under $200.00 US.
Great review. Impressively both concise and thorough. Keep up the good work Griffin.
Only in America can some people find it a "difficulty" to deal with power button location.
How does the M4 Pro MacMini do on exporting iMovie projects? I do a lot of 40 min videos with iMovie and I am curious how the Mini Pro will improve this. I have found no videos on RUclips on this.
I believe iMovie will perform similarly to Final Cut Pro. The M4 Pro Mac mini exported a 12 minute 44 second long video in 3 minutes 22 seconds.
Hi what your monitor. ?
The ASUS ProArt 5K PA27JCV. Just reviewed that separately.
Everyone who has a 256GB or 512GB internal SSD, do a black magic speed test - then ask someone who has a 2TB internal SSD to do the same - THAT is what "Apple Tax" gets you.
If your first instinct is to question "why do you NEED that speed?", you're missing the point.
Stop justifying the ridiculous prices they are charging. There is nothing unique or special about these chips, the extra speed from higher storage is just a feature of raid 0 they are configured in. The rest of the industry has passed on the falling NAND chip prices while Apple is still charging prices from a decade ago. Watch the prices of other SOCs with similar tech like Snapdragon, they are not charging these outrageous prices for storage.
@@findingthereal9052 I get it - you’re too damn broke to buy a proper machine. Save up, kiddo. Meanwhile, those of us who can afford nice things will live our lives.
LOLOL
@@LiesureSuitLarry way to reinforce the Apple fanboy stereotype, Larry, too much money and a tiny package. I'm pretty sure the most taxing thing you've ever done with your 'proper machine' is watch cat videos. Fool, money, etc. Go back to the Land of the Lounge Lizard, loser.
@@LiesureSuitLarrywhat a tosser you are. I see why you need a good computer - I am sure nobody would talk to you after meeting you for the first time!
What would you recommend to an average user who watches videos and browses the web? Which macbook and iphone?
A MacBook Air m2 and an iPhone 16 base models of everything that use case would be great on just about any phone and MacBook made on the last 4 years but this combo would give you great support for the next 4-5 years of updates.
@@samlawrence4670just make sure they get the "new" MB Air with 16 GB ram.
Base M3 MacBook Air is great for surfing etc.
@@Realist-m9c Its great for most things! I do Adobe Illustrator work on it and it never stutters!
Thank you.
You made a quick mention about the thunder drive and how one of those drives is your Plex library. So I’m assuming you’re running a full Plex server off your M4 Pro while using it for editing photos or video. I want to do the same thing, edit 4k vid, photos, and run a Plex server. Do you see any performance issues either with the M4 Pro or the Plex server? At the moment I can only upgrade from my i7 iMac. Not upgrade and get an older Mac Mini to run a Plex serve too.
Nitty gritty details: In the ThunderBay, I have four 8 TB drives. I have them configured in Disk Utility as a RAID set, formatted as APFS, with two volumes sharing the full capacity. One volume is Time Machine, another volume is file storage and the Plex library. It's absolutely more than capable of managing it all. Looking in Disk Utilty, the Mac barely ever breaks a sweat. You don't need two Macs.
@ that is exactly what I was hoping for! Planning on pulling the trigger on the M4 Pro Mac Mini with the 10gb/s Ethernet port in about two weeks. Future proofing, as I tend to keep my mac’s till I hit that hard wall of tech that makes them almost irrelevant and frustrating to use. Currently have almost 2tb of videos on a google drive and it’s just to costly to keep. With a few (not quite insignificant) upfront costs it’ll be cheaper to run and add more content and storage as I go and keep my subscription costs to clients low. So thank you!
We all rock our computing setups differently. I use a Cambridge Audio DAC Magic to a Naim Nate 5 amplifier and Gale speakers.
You’d think music was my business, but I’m an engineer.
For the first time, the pro version is really a pro version. Getting the Unbinned version gives you two more performance cores and not one of each. I have upgraded already and I keep smiling 😊😊😊
I really like "Trickle Down performance is real". I like how it is both true, but kind the opposite of how apple designs its silicon, which is really Trickle Up.
The value proposition for these minis, especially the non-upgraded SKUs is really quite impressive.
Good video.
Are you going to review the new Asus 5K display?
Loads of people are asking me about it, so I'll try to write it up this week.
I’ll go for the top Mini with 1 Tb of storage, so $1799. My 4 year old M1 Mini has 512 and is full and my 2 Tb external drive just stopped working and so far has only been partially recoverable. So I’ll pay for plenty of storage. I use Pixelmator super resolution daily so the performance boost is welcome. At the price of less than I used to pay for good laptops 20 years ago this new Mini is super value for money.
10:00. Prices wrong. Check the mini base price
DANG IT. $799 is the price with 512 GB of storage. This is the danger of working three 12-hour days to write five reviews and produce three videos 🤷
The mid big Nerf was only one encoder engine. M2 studio has two. I really wish Apple had put two in the high-end pro and comes out with Four for the next studio.
The speaker in the Mac Mini is fine for watching movies and youtube.
The Pricing Problem
Nothing highlights this more than the fact that you can buy a base M4 Mac mini with 16GB of memory and 256GB of storage for $599. If you want to upgrade those, your option is to increase the memory to 32GB and the storage to 512GB. If you do, the cost will be $1,199, which is more than double the price of the base model you started with. You could literally buy two base model Mac Minis, have the same amount of memory and storage, and also have $1 left over.
I understand memory (and storage, for that matter) don’t work that way, but it highlights how ridiculous the upgrade pricing is. It feels like a pure cash grab from customers, which is the type of thing no company should ever do
Plus $1500 for a screen if you don’t already have one!
Buy one of the other models, and then even adding the extra ram, it won't be double the base model. The majority of sales will be the base model, so obviously they're produced iin quantity at a good price. If you want an individual spec, be prepared to pay for something that's not produced in many thousands.
A great review and comparisons - but seriously, how can all you reviewers keep on about the price savings without considering that THIS MACHINE HAS NO SCREEN (nor keyboard nor mouse for that matter). So, unless you already have a screen, a new mini plus studio monitor is the way more expensive (£2100) than an equivalent iMac (£1300), albeit you get a 3” bigger screen with the mini option. I can get a 24gb memory, 1TB storage version of the iMac for exactly the same price as the Studio screen and base Mac mini. That is a crap ton of price or spec difference!
Three counterpoints:
Most people buying a desktop computer already have a display, keyboard and mouse.
Even if you're starting from scratch, you don't need to buy the Apple Studio Display. The Asus ProArt display featured in this video is half the price of the Studio Display, and before that, I was using a $300 LG display.
But really, even if you're buying a MacBook, you probably want to have a desktop display, keyboard and mouse too. Show me the person who's seriously cross-shopping a desktop Mac mini with a 27-inch Studio Display but decides to do all their work on a single 14-inch screen instead.
@ I think you’re missing a big demographic. I, for example, have a 2017 27” iMac in need of upgrade so have no screen to reuse, and I know many people who move from a laptop to a desktop when they retire (yes, older people use computers too!) I also personally never used an external screen when I did use a laptop, nor does my wife even now. The computer buying world are not all video editors!
Finally, you even make my own point! Who IS cross shopping a Mac mini with a big screen and also using a high end MacBook? My exact point is nobody is doing that. Sure, many people, as you say, will have a bigger screen for their MacBook, but it does not really work in reverse - and there are a lot of those people around.
Anyway, I don’t want to sound too critical as your video was great - it is just that NOBODY doing all these almost fanboy-like reviews and comparison videos ever accounts for the cost of a screen and accessories, and frankly comparing the price of a bare mini with a MacBook is just crazy unless that is factored in.
@@tn_onyoutube8436 I've been waiting for a new 27 inch iMac for years, and have given up. A mini and a 34 inch +screen will have to do. At least I'll never have to pull the screen off my iMac again.
But how are you saving money when the mini has no keyboard, mouse or screen ? its not really saving money it's just a different option.
a) You might have the accessories already b) You can bargain shop and get them for less than the price gap. (even a 4k and Logitech setup is $500)
Unless you’re buying all the pieces you’re missing from Apple, Yes TF it is.😂😂😂😂😂
Most people have all of that already.
Indeed, at least when comparing to a MacBook which comes with all of those. I guess if you have an old computer or mini but own a screen and keyboard it’s fair, but otherwise, you’re right. I’m looking at this now - a new mini plus studio monitor is the way more expensive (£2100) than an equivalent iMac (£1300), albeit you get a 3” bigger screen with the mini option. I can get a 24gb memory, 1TB storage version of the iMac for exactly the same price as the Studio screen and base Mac mini. That is a crap ton of price or spec difference!
@@tn_onyoutube8436but keep in mind the mini performs better than the iMac and has more ports
Digging our host's hairdo. Once I realized he wasn't Rachel Maddow.
good host
Love technology moving forward. Have owned three Apple Mac mini's over the years.
Not willing to play the Apple Tax of $800.00 US for storage level I want of 2TB. Thing is you can purchase 2TB SSD storage for around $139.00 US these days. Would be willing to pay Apple extra $200.00 US for 2TB.
Now it looks like with at least the M4 Apple Mac mini third parties might be able to sell us 2TB SSD storage modules for under $200.00 US.