I'm less concerned with how to classify the watch (pilot vs field). I just think this watch is absolutely beautiful. Perfect size and proportions and the new movement is a homerun, so is the strap/clasp. I hope they Oris comes out with more colors
No disrespect but they have no idea what they re talking about. Pilot watches have been small most of their history(32-36mm). Only two exceptions come to mind( German Luftwaffe watches and the Navitimer)
great video! I think what people often forget to include in the cost of ownership is servicing costs. Admittedly I often don't fully account for this either. but having been a collector that has gone through multiple service cycles for my Tudors, jlcs, these costs add up. Accounting for the 10 year service interval and the r&d for the new movement, I think the cost of this piece is completely justified. it's just that a lot of people find it hard to tangibly account for how they feel about an avoided cost many years down the line.
I too have a soft spot for Oris, and finally got one when the caliber 400 was released, an Aquis. This one might be next. Interesting that he mentioned the Tudor Ranger as I’ve looked at that one too. But I think this one is more interesting.
It's a beautiful timepiece with an even so beautiful movement. Unfortunatly for me, with a pricepoint of 3.700 pound, a discision to buy a watch becomes more and more difficult to buy the Oris. Especially with a not yet proven movement that holds a lot of force (wear?) with the 5 days power reserve. Thinking back of the design flaw of the Panerai...
Why does it matter whether it's a field watch or a pilot's watch? 99.99% of buyers aren't going to use it for either purpose. Can't fault the watch itself though - looks great and I love a manual-wind with serious power reserve.
Oris are innovative and are producing great movements and watches. The one thing I wish they would do is improve the AR coating on their crystals, preferably not by applying a coat on the exterior either. Also, I don't think they were looking at producing this watch as either a pilot or field watch but rather a nostalgic piece harking back to yesterday in regard to the case and dial with a modem movement that has excellent power reserve and fantastic servicing duration. 👍
I really do like this watch but I already gave the Big Crown Pointer Date cal 403 small seconds in 38mm. Personally I prefer the dark inky blue dial on mine for at a glance readability but the lighter dial on this looks fantastic. The 473 being a manual wind certainly gives a better wearer-watch connection as well. I might be wrong (probably) but the pointer date prices for the non in house movements are under £2K but the in house designed cal 4XX are a nearer the £3K mark. Back to the cal 403 and 473 small seconds movement differences in price is possibly down to the estimated sales of each, the 473 has a power reserve indicator (more bits for this model only so far so added cost) that the 403 does not and at a guess will sell in smaller numbers being a manual wind, smaller runs tend to cost more than large ones as well. I would also assume that the base cal 400 in other models shares more parts with the 403 than the 473. In a nut shell it could be argued economies of scale v return on investment. Anyway I really enjoyed the video. Thanks guys.
Really don't see the point of going over whether it fulfills the purpose of a tool watch whether pilot or field. A small seconds by definition will not fulfill the accuracy requirements of either, it's obviously only done for the aesthetics and design. I really don't like the small seconds though, it looks disproportionately small compared to other small seconds, easily seen by the fact that it doesn't cut into the 5 and 7. I can only assume it was done to reach the power reserve target which would be a strange decision.
The Big Crown Pointer Date is Oris's icon. Not many brands can trace a model back to 1938. I think the price is justified but I saw one of their pilot watches with the automatic in-house movement discounted by £1K recently, and that by an Oris AD.
I find it hard to associate the prices they are asking with the brand. Maybe it’s me. Maybe they are moving too quickly? Building a luxury brand takes time. It’s a nice enough watch and a decent movement but I couldn’t and wouldn’t spend that much money on an oris.
Well, is it a GMT? Would it be any good for bridge and tunnel work, I always wanted just a pointer as a substitute for the rotating bezel, particularly if it didn't require a second crown?
Just to point out, if Oris did base the design on the ‘Dirty Dozen’ watches, the average size was between 35 mm to 38 mm across all three Armed Services and dependant on the manufacturer. So this watch, technically is a little too large, but is perfect as a pilots watch based on the current technical aspects.
Have a Bronze version, paid about $US2K, do I think it's worth it at around $4K, not really sure. If you have a collection, no. If it's a one and done watch, yes. Being a rotation watch, the power reserve isn't a big deal, setting the time and date isn't a big deal, I do love the strap. Depending on it's price and if it fits, might get one. Sadly Oris's price point makes this a hard sell. Comparing it to a Tudor, I think they are of equal quality. Don't over think if it's a field or pilot's watch, more it's own thing.
The original pilot watches were based on field watches that why some look very similar. Pilots watches ranged in sizes in the second word war from 33mm(omega ck2129) to over 2 inches. So the size is fine and does it really matter to me it's a great looking watch
While it's a beautiful idea and I would love to own the watch! I'd be concerned unscrewing crown every 4-5 days to wind it and screw the crown back ... I would feel so bad if I would cross-thread it
You are discussing the issue of "what this watch is trying to be". I'm not sure that is relevant at all. This 473 is clearly a progression from the original Big Crowns and it does not matter whether you call this a field or pilots watch. Commercial Airline Pilots wear all kinds of different watches (including Casios and field watches). Just appreciate the aesthetics and technology for what it is: a beauty.
The adjustment screw(-,+) is garbage on these and cal400 as well. It strips out way too easily and renders watch un-adjustable. My Aquis with 400cal ran great….for about 3 months…then started gaining 78 sec per day. When I attempted adjustment….using correct Bergeon screw driver….the screw stripped out way too easily. Now, left with a $2k + paperweight.
A great movement ruined by a lousy watch. The case is smaller than the crown and the dial is too cheap (no applied indices at this price?!?) and too crowded.
I'm less concerned with how to classify the watch (pilot vs field). I just think this watch is absolutely beautiful. Perfect size and proportions and the new movement is a homerun, so is the strap/clasp. I hope they Oris comes out with more colors
I totally agree. People love to pigeon hole everything and can't just accept something for what it is. Love it or loathe it. I love it, by the way.
I’m with you, who cares about a category, you either like it or not, simple.
No disrespect but they have no idea what they re talking about. Pilot watches have been small most of their history(32-36mm). Only two exceptions come to mind( German Luftwaffe watches and the Navitimer)
great video! I think what people often forget to include in the cost of ownership is servicing costs. Admittedly I often don't fully account for this either. but having been a collector that has gone through multiple service cycles for my Tudors, jlcs, these costs add up. Accounting for the 10 year service interval and the r&d for the new movement, I think the cost of this piece is completely justified. it's just that a lot of people find it hard to tangibly account for how they feel about an avoided cost many years down the line.
I love the 473 and the Power Reserve on the back, perfect every Day watch
Props to the lighting man/woman and also great macro shots 👌🏻
I too have a soft spot for Oris, and finally got one when the caliber 400 was released, an Aquis. This one might be next. Interesting that he mentioned the Tudor Ranger as I’ve looked at that one too. But I think this one is more interesting.
It's a beautiful timepiece with an even so beautiful movement. Unfortunatly for me, with a pricepoint of 3.700 pound, a discision to buy a watch becomes more and more difficult to buy the Oris. Especially with a not yet proven movement that holds a lot of force (wear?) with the 5 days power reserve. Thinking back of the design flaw of the Panerai...
Why does it matter whether it's a field watch or a pilot's watch? 99.99% of buyers aren't going to use it for either purpose. Can't fault the watch itself though - looks great and I love a manual-wind with serious power reserve.
I have an automatic 400 movement (Pro pilot). As a manual wind one problem is it takes over 200 turns of the crown to fully wind it.
Wow, really? Thats alot of turns. Your lucky becouse its automatic, dont have to turn so many times.
Oris are innovative and are producing great movements and watches. The one thing I wish they would do is improve the AR coating on their crystals, preferably not by applying a coat on the exterior either.
Also, I don't think they were looking at producing this watch as either a pilot or field watch but rather a nostalgic piece harking back to yesterday in regard to the case and dial with a modem movement that has excellent power reserve and fantastic servicing duration. 👍
Lovely watch, tempted with this one
I really do like this watch but I already gave the Big Crown Pointer Date cal 403 small seconds in 38mm. Personally I prefer the dark inky blue dial on mine for at a glance readability but the lighter dial on this looks fantastic. The 473 being a manual wind certainly gives a better wearer-watch connection as well. I might be wrong (probably) but the pointer date prices for the non in house movements are under £2K but the in house designed cal 4XX are a nearer the £3K mark. Back to the cal 403 and 473 small seconds movement differences in price is possibly down to the estimated sales of each, the 473 has a power reserve indicator (more bits for this model only so far so added cost) that the 403 does not and at a guess will sell in smaller numbers being a manual wind, smaller runs tend to cost more than large ones as well. I would also assume that the base cal 400 in other models shares more parts with the 403 than the 473. In a nut shell it could be argued economies of scale v return on investment. Anyway I really enjoyed the video. Thanks guys.
Love the crown, movement and aesthetics, truly a beautiful watch.
Grand seiko heritage manual are also at that price point so spoilt for choice.
Really don't see the point of going over whether it fulfills the purpose of a tool watch whether pilot or field. A small seconds by definition will not fulfill the accuracy requirements of either, it's obviously only done for the aesthetics and design. I really don't like the small seconds though, it looks disproportionately small compared to other small seconds, easily seen by the fact that it doesn't cut into the 5 and 7. I can only assume it was done to reach the power reserve target which would be a strange decision.
The Big Crown Pointer Date is Oris's icon. Not many brands can trace a model back to 1938. I think the price is justified but I saw one of their pilot watches with the automatic in-house movement discounted by £1K recently, and that by an Oris AD.
How durable is the strap? The watch is very nice. After how much time does one need to get it serviced?
I find it hard to associate the prices they are asking with the brand. Maybe it’s me. Maybe they are moving too quickly? Building a luxury brand takes time. It’s a nice enough watch and a decent movement but I couldn’t and wouldn’t spend that much money on an oris.
Stunner. Looking for it pre owned
Well, is it a GMT? Would it be any good for bridge and tunnel work, I always wanted just a pointer as a substitute for the rotating bezel, particularly if it didn't require a second crown?
Just to point out, if Oris did base the design on the ‘Dirty Dozen’ watches, the average size was between 35 mm to 38 mm across all three Armed Services and dependant on the manufacturer. So this watch, technically is a little too large, but is perfect as a pilots watch based on the current technical aspects.
私は40mmのBig Crown PointerDateを愛用しており、ムーブメントは汎用品のSW200-1ベースです。
今作のモデルは実に美しい自社製のムーブメントに見惚れて買い替えたい衝動が湧きますが、この価格を出すならTudorのブラックベイ58のSilver925モデルにも手が届きそうなので比較して悩みます。
Have a Bronze version, paid about $US2K, do I think it's worth it at around $4K, not really sure. If you have a collection, no. If it's a one and done watch, yes. Being a rotation watch, the power reserve isn't a big deal, setting the time and date isn't a big deal, I do love the strap. Depending on it's price and if it fits, might get one. Sadly Oris's price point makes this a hard sell. Comparing it to a Tudor, I think they are of equal quality. Don't over think if it's a field or pilot's watch, more it's own thing.
Beautiful watch, I wish it was a 40 mm.
The original pilot watches were based on field watches that why some look very similar.
Pilots watches ranged in sizes in the second word war from 33mm(omega ck2129) to over 2 inches.
So the size is fine and does it really matter to me it's a great looking watch
The original pilot watch was the Cartier Santos-Dumont. It was not based on a field watch.
@@roycedot thanks for the info, my point was more about the size.
We're the first military pilots watches bases on field watches?
I think Oris are moving up a division. I hope they don't become too pricey for average man, but every quality brand evolves.
What watch is the guy in blue wearing?
I am an Oris owner (Artelier date) but I do not believe the company will be selling many of these at GBP 3,700.
I mean chr ward made a cosc 120hr movement in 1k£ range years ago. I own one.
Hamilton didn’t “reduce accuracy” to achieve 80 hours power reserve. If anything, their H- movements are more accurate than their ETA predecessors.
While it's a beautiful idea and I would love to own the watch! I'd be concerned unscrewing crown every 4-5 days to wind it and screw the crown back ... I would feel so bad if I would cross-thread it
38 mm is perfect same as Rolex Datejust 36mm
Very nice, wallet look nervous.
Another bonus: 10 year warranty and 10 year suggested maintenance intervals
You’ll need it !
You are discussing the issue of "what this watch is trying to be". I'm not sure that is relevant at all. This 473 is clearly a progression from the original Big Crowns and it does not matter whether you call this a field or pilots watch. Commercial Airline Pilots wear all kinds of different watches (including Casios and field watches). Just appreciate the aesthetics and technology for what it is: a beauty.
The adjustment screw(-,+) is garbage on these and cal400 as well. It strips out way too easily and renders watch un-adjustable. My Aquis with 400cal ran great….for about 3 months…then started gaining 78 sec per day. When I attempted adjustment….using correct Bergeon screw driver….the screw stripped out way too easily. Now, left with a $2k + paperweight.
Magnificent watch indeed, but the price is too steep for an Oris.
Copper dial would be nice
The strap is tough, but delicious.
I prefer a 37-38 mil
Used grand seiko over this any day but still cool watch
3700 pounds for an Oris manual wind!!! 😂
The movement is nothing spectacular to look at if you ask me. I am sure it will be of great quality though.
15 minutes of talk and no measurements information 😒
Too Thick For A Handwind
A great movement ruined by a lousy watch. The case is smaller than the crown and the dial is too cheap (no applied indices at this price?!?) and too crowded.
Not for me!
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