The shape of the straight bow is also beautiful, and both ends are thin and sharp. It seems that it can be used as a spear when it cannot be used as a bow. Thanks for the review.
I'd recommend a brace height of 6", max. 6 1/2", a kind of FF, non stretching string and NO silencers. For bowhand pessure point, you should, like John Schulz said "heel the bow". And, I would add a suede leather handle wrap. The center of a Hillstyle is 1" BELOW the shelf, NOT above!
Hi Peter, The reason I suggested Armin use a longer brace on that particular bow is because it is a 70" bow and can take a longer height. The longer brace the allows for stiffer arrows should he wish. I tend towards making my Hill style bow, as it is my interpretation of it, symmetrical rather than offset. The shelf on Armin's bow is only 3/4" higher than what you suggest. Armin made the comment about the fades being more rounded than usual. That was done because of feedback from quite a few archers here that dislike the more pointed grips that are wrapped in leather to make them wider and soft. I Personally don't like that feel nor covering beautiful woods in leather so I make the grips more rounded for comfort. Ask Armin to try it and you won't go back 😉 Thanks for your comment, much appreciated!
@@outlawcustombows, thank's for your statement! If one likes the edges more rounded, the grip not as pointy, handle leather and so on, is a matter of taste, I'd say. With the symmetry, I'd say, a Hillstyle is a close relative of the old ELB and should feature this center/limb layout. For the best performance, as Armin also stated, because you stress the bow to it's best point, I'd recommend for 26" to 28" draw a 66" bow - a 70" bow should used with a 29" to 30" draw - wich is very rare, if you shoot a kind of Hill shooting style, unless you are a 2 meter guy. I also think, the lower brace height gives more performance, I can't see the advantage of the higher brace height. Best Greets to OZ!
@@kobbz1161 never met someone that shoots my Emu that had ANY issue with hand placement or torque. I think you'll find a deeper flatter grip is easier to torque by nature of the shape... thats just physics. The woods I used are every bit as good as bamboo and since you have ZERO experience with Hoop pine as limb cores I can't see how you can comment. Armins bow was made to be smooth, which his review shows quite clearly. I build custom bows not just run of the mill bows so IF the customer wants a 66' bow capable of 180fps at 10gpp as a hard hitting hunting bow then I am Happy to build it. I dont want my bows to look exactly like a Howard Hill brand one, because they aren't.
@@PeterOStecherClassicArchery yes the Hill bow is a more modernised version of an English longbow, which I build alot of also, and have also studied and recreated some of the artefacts we have. The Mary Rose warbows have arrow pass marks at random, not a set point from one limb or the other. Some are at the dead centre, some ar an inch high, some are 2 inches high. Its makers preference, as is with my bows. 3/4" higher than a Hill brand one just makes mine a little different to a Hill brand one.
@@kobbz1161 perks of being in Australia mate. I have access to all the American woods plus stuff here that no body has heard of nor used. And we have stuff that out-does Bamboo. I rate Hoop pine as good as bamboo. It's equally as stiff and as light. Other woods we have are stiffer and lighter, but those go in high performance bows only in my shop. Im happy to take criticisms from folks and im always trying to improve. As for modern recurves, you ought to see my page Outlaw Bows on fb and see what my Peregrine recurve does @28"... I chronied a 62# one at 189fps and 10.4 gpp last week and you can see the video of it there.
Well crafted bow put together very nicely! I will say I don't understand how Peter can say 50# is 50# as far as efficiency goes! Anyway great review as always it's nice to see different bows built by different people.
Thank you for this review! You can hardly beat a well made straight bow for split fingers draw (well tillered, deep and long enough handle, narrow outers and tips).
On of my very first comments was to see a review on a Hill Bow, Armin you nailed the review pretty much, I liked the nocking point, a hint on arrow and tuning, the bit at at the end " all the calculations", the Bow as you say is an interpretation so a Hill Style, but as your review pretty far away from the real thing, I am am little Biased as I love Craig's bows, for $470 USD Possibly a good buy but Craig selling Hill Bows the Big 5 $675 and the Tembo at $650 so In would advise anyone parting with $650 buy the real thing,
Great review of this bow. Based on your excellent review and the obvious beauty of the bow displayed, I put down a deposit on one today. Can't wait to get my hands on it. New to your videos and enjoying them heaps👍
Armin, that's a nice looking American Semi Longbow. A leather handle wrap would feel and look nicer, as is usually the common practice with this style of bow. I know most longbow shooters prefer a 66 or 68" bow but I've never found a 70" bow to be more of a hindrance in the woods than the shorter lengths while hunting, even from a tree stand. I also believe they are smoother drawing more stable and forgiving from a less than perfect release. To string the bow without using the step thru method, just string it in reverse of how you did it to unstring off the instep of your foot.
When was it little John said to Robin ....that bow is the second coming lol 😆....I'm kidding!, it's a sweet shooter for sure . A superb as usual Armin...good huntin bow ..quiet
My Internature longbow (68", 50#) does real well with the arrows I got for my Martin ML-10 (69", 70#) . The heavier arrows are more pleasant to shoot and very forgiving which means better hits.
I can personally vouch for Colin's bows, I've got an 85lb@30 hedeby bow that was fantastic to shoot, he's currently searching for some wych elm to suit a Norwegian two wood bow at around the 100#@30 mark
It looks a lot like an old Howard Hill bow my brother has, I think his is laminated maple and juniper, that looks like a very good quality bow, although I would say for the poundage that shoots slower than a Korean bow,
@@benji280792 My monarq 40 pound Korean bow Launch is a 500 grain Arrow at 200 FPS, course it’s 40 pounds at 30 inches, at 34 inches it’s probably pretty close to that long bows draw weight, but no matter that’s a beautiful long bow and it seems to shoot really nice 👍
@@Leverguns50 i have a hill style longbow that shoot at 195fps with 700 grains arrows. But it's a 70# bow at my draw length. 10 grain per pound is the best for a longbow in my opinion. 8 for a recurve is fine. I have a recurve that shoot at 250fps, but im at 6 grains per inch.
This is one for the books, Armin with a Hill-style-bow. Looks pretty good, the bow :-). May I ask you or Peter, when he is reading this, what’s about the center of a 'real' HH-style-bow. I have one from Craig Ekin, the Legend Stick, a white laminated bamboo bow. The center of that bow never ever is there, where it should be according to your explanation. I guess I did not understand that correctly. Thank you and enjoy to shot that pretty bow.
@@Witzansky4 this one, as I got it in the clip, has the center closer to the real center of the bow, a Hillstyle for usually has the center 1" below the shelf.
Nice looking Bow, but 70 inches would be way too long for me😅 even when the bow is braced and in fulldaw, it would be taller than me 🤣🤣 That´s why I stuck with asiatic-style bows. And for hunting, I personally wouldn´t take longbows, simply because mostly in the woods there´s not enough space to maneuver such a big/long bow. When I am out for bowhunt, in France, I take for example a 52" or 56" recurvebow or a 31" compoundbow (But as mentioned above, that´s just me.) Cool Video and thank you for sharing.
Great video my friend !. Welcome to the Hill gang 😂😂. As a Hill style bow shooter I`d shoot a round or two with it. It's pretty well built.. I hope you shoot the Hill out of it !. The more you shoot it the more you'll get better. Overall shape and profile is spot on ! 🏹 Cody
Hi Armin, the centre of the bow 1" above shelf is not making sense from tillering process and handling point of view. Please review again the info. 1" below the shelf makes more sense since that's where you want the pressure point of the hand at full draw to be to eliminate the hand shock. The bow you have has the centre of it in the middle of the handle - it means it was tillered with both limbs same length. The 1" above the centre of the bow (aka 1" below the shelf) means the upper limb is 1" longer than the bottom limb - when the handle is 4".
This is not video related question but something that's been on my mind. I wonder what is Your opinion Armin. Do You know that ring Zihgir? The long one that looks like a claw or flat ones? Obviously they cannot be used as a draw rings but i was wondering if they were used as arrow pass rings? To protect the knuckle from arrow as it's sliding on it... what do You think?
hi. yes my friend in Indonesia is selling them, but shipping was too much for what the rings cost. they are used for the bow thumb as protection. I think its quite nice
@@ArminHirmer thank You for confirming, i might try it i always have messed up knuckle from arrow sliding on it and i am not a fan of gloves so that might help...i never seen anyone using them. Seems like everyone is only using thumb release ones. Thanks again!
@@ThomasJamesCiesielski there is a movie called camel caravan. there the archers use 2 rings, a cylindrical one on the bow hand and a lipped one on the draw hand
@@ArminHirmer I found couple clips and yes i saw it, I guess it really was the thing. Those were big, kind of looking like a manchu ring. Now i gotta watch the whole movie hah it looked good! Thank You Sir!
Armin.. according to that slow mo footage...where does that nockpoint need to be moved to them??? Little up or a little down... Just wondering what it's supposed to look like. From this view. I know every bow is different and it can very per bow... Just wondering for this particular slow mo and bow. Because it looks damn near center to me. Or I mean at the right spot. But I don't know what is CORRECT. And what's not
Hallo Armin, ich habe noch nie einen Langbogen mit Puscheln gesehen, könntest Du bitte mal testen ob es einen Unterschied macht mit und ohne Puschel? Und danke für deine Viedeos.
It`s a strange Bow in my view - but thats just me. It`s just a small line in the Landscape, but the design is still beautiful. Very clear lines! I like that. I just can`t get my head arround Flatbows - the way the limbs are not rounded kind of stirs me up =) But its still a beautiful design - and sooo silient! Allmost a gentlemans Bow =)
Armin, I ordered a bow from AF Archery, and they did not send a estimated time of the bow's arrival. How long did it take for you to get your bows from AF Archery?
did you have to pay shipping? AF archery, first they had the separate shipping, then they raised the price of the bows and put shipping included, and now it seems to me that they have left the expensive price on the bows and the separate shipping.... I think it will take between 1 and 2 months
Depends on the shipping company, what shipping company did they say they are gonna ship to you with? In my case it was fed ex, so it takes around 3-7 days.
hard to say. First of all they need to ship the bow (can happen that your bow was not in stock) and then it really is up to the courier. 4 weeks plus minus
Wow.. I wanna draw that so badly... I wanna know what 50 # feels like... I have no clue. I said before I found this super cheap bow. And it's actually.. surprisingly, half decent... And I wanna know what the draw weight is so badly.
If you ever get your hands on a real Hill, please please please shoot Katra, thumbdraw and Torque just to torture Peter. After that you can upload a serious review. I know you won't do that, but the idea is delicious... PS. Sry Peter, love you, but also would love to see your reaction.😂😂😂😈😘
Peter Bogar made some speed tests with 35.40.45# / 28" bows, and the winner is... 35# /28" (40# / 30") so, i still ask why build 50 and 60# bows ? less control, less elasticity, more shoulder pain...the day after i wish the next bow builder will spare you !!
How is that possible.. using the same arrow... At different poundages. That is very confusing... Also. Some want more stopping power... Energy foot pounds
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The shape of the straight bow is also beautiful, and both ends are thin and sharp. It seems that it can be used as a spear when it cannot be used as a bow. Thanks for the review.
Love that part with the glove! It's how I felt when learning the thumb.
appreciate the elegance and beauty of this bow.
Wow,. Gotta get a home grown outlaw.👌👌👌👌
I'd recommend a brace height of 6", max. 6 1/2", a kind of FF, non stretching string and NO silencers. For bowhand pessure point, you should, like John Schulz said "heel the bow". And, I would add a suede leather handle wrap. The center of a Hillstyle is 1" BELOW the shelf, NOT above!
Hi Peter,
The reason I suggested Armin use a longer brace on that particular bow is because it is a 70" bow and can take a longer height. The longer brace the allows for stiffer arrows should he wish.
I tend towards making my Hill style bow, as it is my interpretation of it, symmetrical rather than offset. The shelf on Armin's bow is only 3/4" higher than what you suggest.
Armin made the comment about the fades being more rounded than usual. That was done because of feedback from quite a few archers here that dislike the more pointed grips that are wrapped in leather to make them wider and soft. I Personally don't like that feel nor covering beautiful woods in leather so I make the grips more rounded for comfort. Ask Armin to try it and you won't go back 😉
Thanks for your comment, much appreciated!
@@outlawcustombows, thank's for your statement! If one likes the edges more rounded, the grip not as pointy, handle leather and so on, is a matter of taste, I'd say. With the symmetry, I'd say, a Hillstyle is a close relative of the old ELB and should feature this center/limb layout. For the best performance, as Armin also stated, because you stress the bow to it's best point, I'd recommend for 26" to 28" draw a 66" bow - a 70" bow should used with a 29" to 30" draw - wich is very rare, if you shoot a kind of Hill shooting style, unless you are a 2 meter guy. I also think, the lower brace height gives more performance, I can't see the advantage of the higher brace height. Best Greets to OZ!
@@kobbz1161 never met someone that shoots my Emu that had ANY issue with hand placement or torque. I think you'll find a deeper flatter grip is easier to torque by nature of the shape... thats just physics.
The woods I used are every bit as good as bamboo and since you have ZERO experience with Hoop pine as limb cores I can't see how you can comment. Armins bow was made to be smooth, which his review shows quite clearly. I build custom bows not just run of the mill bows so IF the customer wants a 66' bow capable of 180fps at 10gpp as a hard hitting hunting bow then I am Happy to build it.
I dont want my bows to look exactly like a Howard Hill brand one, because they aren't.
@@PeterOStecherClassicArchery yes the Hill bow is a more modernised version of an English longbow, which I build alot of also, and have also studied and recreated some of the artefacts we have. The Mary Rose warbows have arrow pass marks at random, not a set point from one limb or the other. Some are at the dead centre, some ar an inch high, some are 2 inches high. Its makers preference, as is with my bows. 3/4" higher than a Hill brand one just makes mine a little different to a Hill brand one.
@@kobbz1161 perks of being in Australia mate. I have access to all the American woods plus stuff here that no body has heard of nor used. And we have stuff that out-does Bamboo. I rate Hoop pine as good as bamboo. It's equally as stiff and as light. Other woods we have are stiffer and lighter, but those go in high performance bows only in my shop.
Im happy to take criticisms from folks and im always trying to improve.
As for modern recurves, you ought to see my page Outlaw Bows on fb and see what my Peregrine recurve does @28"... I chronied a 62# one at 189fps and 10.4 gpp last week and you can see the video of it there.
Well crafted bow put together very nicely! I will say I don't understand how Peter can say 50# is 50# as far as efficiency goes! Anyway great review as always it's nice to see different bows built by different people.
Looking foward to this for a long time
Congratulations Colin great review. I will have to add one of these to my collection. James Murray
Thank you for this review!
You can hardly beat a well made straight bow for split fingers draw (well tillered, deep and long enough handle, narrow outers and tips).
On of my very first comments was to see a review on a Hill Bow, Armin you nailed the review pretty much, I liked the nocking point, a hint on arrow and tuning, the bit at at the end " all the calculations", the Bow as you say is an interpretation so a Hill Style, but as your review pretty far away from the real thing, I am am little Biased as I love Craig's bows, for $470 USD Possibly a good buy but Craig selling Hill Bows the Big 5 $675 and the Tembo at $650 so In would advise anyone parting with $650 buy the real thing,
Nice hill style bow.
Really love the multi part tips reinforcement.
Great review of this bow. Based on your excellent review and the obvious beauty of the bow displayed, I put down a deposit on one today. Can't wait to get my hands on it. New to your videos and enjoying them heaps👍
Armin, that's a nice looking American Semi Longbow. A leather handle wrap would feel and look nicer, as is usually the common practice with this style of bow. I know most longbow shooters prefer a 66 or 68" bow but I've never found a 70" bow to be more of a hindrance in the woods than the shorter lengths while hunting, even from a tree stand. I also believe they are smoother drawing more stable and forgiving from a less than perfect release.
To string the bow without using the step thru method, just string it in reverse of how you did it to unstring off the instep of your foot.
U think long bows... Have a smoother draw... Is that what u mean...
@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345" longer" longbows do
When was it little John said to Robin ....that bow is the second coming lol 😆....I'm kidding!, it's a sweet shooter for sure . A superb as usual Armin...good huntin bow ..quiet
My Internature longbow (68", 50#) does real well with the arrows I got for my Martin ML-10 (69", 70#) . The heavier arrows are more pleasant to shoot and very forgiving which means better hits.
I can personally vouch for Colin's bows, I've got an 85lb@30 hedeby bow that was fantastic to shoot, he's currently searching for some wych elm to suit a Norwegian two wood bow at around the 100#@30 mark
Iv gota get one, wife don't thinkso.and I just want a recurve,. 50# 28"
I had a martin ml-14 50# hill style bow and it had so much hand shock it gave me a headache! This seems like a nice one!
Awesome bow
Great review and yes very silent. A good hunting bow. Cheers 🍻
It looks a lot like an old Howard Hill bow my brother has, I think his is laminated maple and juniper, that looks like a very good quality bow, although I would say for the poundage that shoots slower than a Korean bow,
Longbow usually shoot slower than recurves. Bow they "like", to throw more weight (of arrow).
@@benji280792 My monarq 40 pound Korean bow Launch is a 500 grain Arrow at 200 FPS, course it’s 40 pounds at 30 inches, at 34 inches it’s probably pretty close to that long bows draw weight, but no matter that’s a beautiful long bow and it seems to shoot really nice 👍
@@Leverguns50 i have a hill style longbow that shoot at 195fps with 700 grains arrows. But it's a 70# bow at my draw length.
10 grain per pound is the best for a longbow in my opinion.
8 for a recurve is fine.
I have a recurve that shoot at 250fps, but im at 6 grains per inch.
@@benji280792 I will say shoot in the cane arrow that some of my sinew backed Native American bows did get about 230 FPS, it sure is fun make bows
This is one for the books, Armin with a Hill-style-bow. Looks pretty good, the bow :-). May I ask you or Peter, when he is reading this, what’s about the center of a 'real' HH-style-bow. I have one from Craig Ekin, the Legend Stick, a white laminated bamboo bow. The center of that bow never ever is there, where it should be according to your explanation. I guess I did not understand that correctly. Thank you and enjoy to shot that pretty bow.
The center of a Hillstyle is 1" BELOW the shelf, NOT above! Just like the classic layout/symmetry of an ELB.
@@PeterOStecherClassicArchery so this bow was actually correctly made?
@@Witzansky4 this one, as I got it in the clip, has the center closer to the real center of the bow, a Hillstyle for usually has the center 1" below the shelf.
Nice looking Bow, but 70 inches would be way too long for me😅 even when the bow is braced and in fulldaw, it would be taller than me 🤣🤣 That´s why I stuck with asiatic-style bows.
And for hunting, I personally wouldn´t take longbows, simply because mostly in the woods there´s not enough space to maneuver such a big/long bow. When I am out for bowhunt, in France, I take for example a 52" or 56" recurvebow or a 31" compoundbow (But as mentioned above, that´s just me.) Cool Video and thank you for sharing.
Who here has listened to armin's target panic video? "hay bale, hay bale". These videos are the hay bale :)
Very silent bow and i really like the wood combo used in build.
that sound thou.......... sounds amazing.
Great video my friend !. Welcome to the Hill gang 😂😂. As a Hill style bow shooter I`d shoot a round or two with it. It's pretty well built.. I hope you shoot the Hill out of it !. The more you shoot it the more you'll get better. Overall shape and profile is spot on !
🏹
Cody
thanks buddy
Hi Armin, the centre of the bow 1" above shelf is not making sense from tillering process and handling point of view. Please review again the info. 1" below the shelf makes more sense since that's where you want the pressure point of the hand at full draw to be to eliminate the hand shock. The bow you have has the centre of it in the middle of the handle - it means it was tillered with both limbs same length. The 1" above the centre of the bow (aka 1" below the shelf) means the upper limb is 1" longer than the bottom limb - when the handle is 4".
yeah. I saw Peters statement, got it wrong as it seems
This is not video related question but something that's been on my mind. I wonder what is Your opinion Armin. Do You know that ring Zihgir? The long one that looks like a claw or flat ones? Obviously they cannot be used as a draw rings but i was wondering if they were used as arrow pass rings? To protect the knuckle from arrow as it's sliding on it... what do You think?
hi. yes my friend in Indonesia is selling them, but shipping was too much for what the rings cost. they are used for the bow thumb as protection. I think its quite nice
@@ArminHirmer thank You for confirming, i might try it i always have messed up knuckle from arrow sliding on it and i am not a fan of gloves so that might help...i never seen anyone using them. Seems like everyone is only using thumb release ones. Thanks again!
@@ThomasJamesCiesielski there is a movie called camel caravan. there the archers use 2 rings, a cylindrical one on the bow hand and a lipped one on the draw hand
@@ArminHirmer I found couple clips and yes i saw it, I guess it really was the thing. Those were big, kind of looking like a manchu ring. Now i gotta watch the whole movie hah it looked good! Thank You Sir!
Armin.. according to that slow mo footage...where does that nockpoint need to be moved to them???
Little up or a little down... Just wondering what it's supposed to look like. From this view.
I know every bow is different and it can very per bow... Just wondering for this particular slow mo and bow.
Because it looks damn near center to me. Or I mean at the right spot. But I don't know what is CORRECT. And what's not
I will change nock point anyway and will nock above the ring
@@ArminHirmer ahhh. So I tiny bit higher... I see. Thanks
Always look forward to your Video,s and thanks .......
Hallo Armin, ich habe noch nie einen Langbogen mit Puscheln gesehen, könntest Du bitte mal testen ob es einen Unterschied macht mit und ohne Puschel? Und danke für deine Viedeos.
Very nice bow!
It`s a strange Bow in my view - but thats just me. It`s just a small line in the Landscape, but the design is still beautiful. Very clear lines! I like that. I just can`t get my head arround Flatbows - the way the limbs are not rounded kind of stirs me up =) But its still a beautiful design - and sooo silient! Allmost a gentlemans Bow =)
Armin, I ordered a bow from AF Archery, and they did not send a estimated time of the bow's arrival. How long did it take for you to get your bows from AF Archery?
did you have to pay shipping? AF archery, first they had the separate shipping, then they raised the price of the bows and put shipping included, and now it seems to me that they have left the expensive price on the bows and the separate shipping....
I think it will take between 1 and 2 months
Depends on the shipping company, what shipping company did they say they are gonna ship to you with? In my case it was fed ex, so it takes around 3-7 days.
hard to say. First of all they need to ship the bow (can happen that your bow was not in stock) and then it really is up to the courier. 4 weeks plus minus
That is a sweet and quiet bow, like a good woman.
Wow.. I wanna draw that so badly... I wanna know what 50 # feels like... I have no clue.
I said before I found this super cheap bow. And it's actually.. surprisingly, half decent... And I wanna know what the draw weight is so badly.
Feels great ;)
If you ever get your hands on a real Hill, please please please shoot Katra, thumbdraw and Torque just to torture Peter. After that you can upload a serious review. I know you won't do that, but the idea is delicious...
PS. Sry Peter, love you, but also would love to see your reaction.😂😂😂😈😘
hehe
Looks like serious craftsmanship. Not my style, but very nice nonetheless!
what about the customs fees
130 Euro
Красивый и быстрый лук.
A bow from the 50ties with a price from 2022 .It looks very rigid by the fade-outs .
the bow is so quiet
Namaste🙏
Peter Bogar made some speed tests with 35.40.45# / 28" bows, and the winner is...
35# /28" (40# / 30")
so, i still ask why build 50 and 60# bows ? less control, less elasticity, more shoulder pain...the day after
i wish the next bow builder will spare you !!
Build that bow at 51# because Armin asked me to build it at 51#. Simple.
How is that possible.. using the same arrow... At different poundages. That is very confusing...
Also. Some want more stopping power... Energy foot pounds
What are you doing with that glove LOL!
I have no idea :D
@@ArminHirmer LMAO!!!
Let's see if I can fix that😉
That's a very long bow, Extremely hard to maneuver in the woods/indoor places :|