How To Shoot A Hill Style Longbow
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- How To Shoot A Hill Style Longbow
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There was this guy I meet when I first started hunting public land (when I was 13years old) he always hunted long bow and recurve mostly, he was out there every day almost. He was such a good hunter the majority of other hunters nicknamed him “the mayor” always getting nice size bucks during rut or late season. And always ground hunted! Once my uncle passed away I was 20 years old I had no one else to take me hunting but myself. Needless to say this man took me under his wing taught me more about archery hunting, when I got my first mature buck he was there to help me drag it out showed me how to properly field dress, etc that was the first time he ever reached out and shook my hand to congratulate me on a nice buck. That meant a lot to me even till this day. Unfortunately he moved state just last year, I do still hunt the same grounds we hunted together the spots he showed me he use to hunt back in the day the stories he use to tell me. Oh and I’ll never forget the time I was 16 years old I was walking out of the woods and this big bush I walked past reaches out and grabs my leg i about had a heart attack lol yep it was him those memories I’ll always keep and I got my son now that hunts with me to pass down the stories and what I know now. We still keep in touch till this day by phone his name is Tom and is one of my best friends. I miss talking to him out in the parking lot before going in for the hunts and afterwards just to share our stories of how our hunt went.
Love everything about this comment. World needs more people like tom!
You seem to be more in tune with the traditional bowhunting lifestyle than anyone l have ever known of its a pleasure to watch your videos it makes me proud l have been shooting traditional for 35 years
Thank you. Greatly appreciate that. Its a life style for me and I love it tremendously
I've always shot traditional archery, never crossbows or compounds. I currently have a Frontier 68 in 45 pound (I fell out of archery for over 10 years and figured a lower weight would help build my draw shoulder back up) and I love it!
Welcome back! Glad you are havingnfun
I just got a straight grip. Love it. Its like grabbing a hatchet handle. And boy can you cheat on form and still make accurate hunting shots. Its awesome!
Agree 100%!!!!
Yep agree 100%. Just got my first ASL and once you learn to hold it like Jason says in the vid it's crazy easy to shoot accurately. Don't grip it properly and you just frustrate yourself.
I just got my first straight grip ASL. I absolutely love it. I was very timid to try one because of all the negativity around them. I agree with you in that it is due mostly to guys gripping them wrong. I find them very easy to shoot well. Good vid.
Congrats on the new bow. Glad you are loving it.
Thanks, I have a RD longbow and you answered a big grip question !
Glad I could help and glad you enjoyed it.
Lots of These Locator grip bows are also used on True flatbow type longbows and I prefer them due to my small hand size. They are currently on my lesser bow, a 8200 Actionbow by Actionrod made from 1961 to 1979 as the same model though it is less deep and the grip style one needs is that one can use the Flat grip on most locator models that are not made deep in the pocket. I do this with my lesser bow and It seems to work. I just need better arrows for that bow since it is a lightweight bow. I do this Hill style grip as the bow is all Fiberglass including a stiff fiberglass handle with fixed grip on it so the vibration is going to be higher. Then I do the with my one piece 54 inch recurve and a more modern handle, a grip like you used when shooting the locator grip bow since I hate using the Finger slings or using the all but thumb and finger grip.
A good bit of the info to shoot a flat grip flatbow longbow is in the book Howard Hilld Method of Shooting a bow and arrow by Jerry Hill with bits from Howard Hills book Hunting the Hard Way.
The reason this is in the book is that when Howard Hill started hunting with a bow in 1920's only the flatbow longbow styles and English longbows were really used by people of European decent with maybe a few of the B shaped flatbow longbow design being used as well with only the flat or in some cases a locator handle/hand notch handle for a better placement on the longbows. Maybe there was a bulge style as well where the front bulged like the back of the locator handles but was not very popular in the 1920's when Howard Hill first really got into archery with both target and hunting. So, this is what Howard Hill got used to shooting and he kept shooting these bows even when reflex deflex and early static tip recurves started to become popular in the late 1940's and into the 1950's, rather than learn a new bow style.
The flat handle style can be used modified on recurve/reflex deflex and some contoured handle compounds, nearly the same as flat handle longbow for all bows that do not have a target/small contour grip too small for even an average kid 10 on up to grip with full hand or for some not too skinny on a straight compound grip. Good News is that one can fix the too skinny of compound grip as most brands have some grip you can get or there are for some, aftermarket grips to make the bow wider to grip to be wider the way one has to grip most straight style of bow handles like straight and locator handle/hand notch handle need to be gripped to avoid the hand shock.
Good sir bow
Good video.
I’m an ASL man myself.
Love the ASL Bows
Thank you for posting this video.
I had no idea people held recurves with just the thumb and first fingers.
Always learning.
Most do shoot recurve like that with very little hand squeeze to prevent torque in the bow.
Mate this has been helpful for me. Just got my first ASL and was experimenting with different grips and this is exactly what works. If I shoot it like my r/d longbow on the thumb pad side of my lifeline, my shots are inconsistent and low. Soon as I grab it like you say I consistently put my arrows on the spot and the bow becomes super forgiving of other errors, and like you say it shoots nicer when held that way too. Keep doing what your doing mate, love your vids!
Glad you enjoyed it and congrats on the hill bow. Asl bows are all I will probably ever shoot. Love em.
Jason, just to let you know, this video is behaving weird in RUclips. It doesn't show up in my subscription feed, it doesn't appear to have many views, it doesn't show up in your channel, but I stumbled on it doing a random traditional bowhunting search on RUclips. If unlisted it is showing up in public searches.
EDIT-I think I found it in one of your playlists, not in a random search.
Anyway, good content and I can't wait to get my new NM classic from Steve. Gonna go with a 2 piece. Stoked!
That's because it's not made public yet...lol I have a few vids that are published as unlisted and then on Mondays and Wednesdays I make then public for all to see.
Love the Podcast too Sir.
Greatly appreciated. Thanks
This is a great video! I don’t think I’ve seen anyone explain the difference in how to grip a Hill style bow versus a longbow with a recess in the handle. I shoot all my bows with a finger sling and will have to look at how I shoot my Farmington Black Horn, I don’t think I am changing my wrist angle, the finger sling allows all the shock to reverberate in the bow while not transferring any into your hand so it allows me to get away with gripping all my bows the same way. However I never thought about it nor looked closely at how I hold the bow. Thanks for this very informative vid!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Excellent tips. Thanks. 👍
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the vid
Have you done a video on pros and cons of long bows and recurve? Kinda thinking of getting into traditional hunting. Great information as always in this video also! Looking forward to the next one.
I have not made a video on that but qill now very soon. Great idea. I did a podcast about that a few years ago. Podcasts are at tbwpodcast.com.
Bonito lazo 🏹👍🏽
Great video as usual! I much prefer a hill style bow…, northern mists are great.
Thanks! Yep love the hill bows!
Expecting to receive my Custom nm in a few months. I’m coming from a r/d bow as well. Great info in your podcast too. Only thing I’m undecided on is I may ask for 70 ntn.
You will love Steve's bows!
Hi Jason. Great video.
I've found that I can shoot my Hill-style bow with a locator grip in the same way that you shoot your Hill-style bow with the straight grip. I use the top of the locator grip to make sure my hand is always in the same place when I grab the bow but I have even pressure all the way down my hand with a very low wrist. I can't shoot it like I shoot my recurves as my arm gets jolted and I usually whack my arm with the string.
Yep the hill bows are a little different shooting style but man, they shoot well!
@@SamkoTradBow I'm sure I will shoot it well eventually. I've only had it a couple of months and it's not as easy to shoot as my recurve but it's a fun learning process all the same.
@@thewilderlifer9910 yep its a whole different type of bow and shooting experience. But I sure do love the hill bows!
@@SamkoTradBow Definitely mate. I'm in the middle of putting together a video about my bow but I won't finish it until I kill something with it. I'll link you up when it's done if you're interested. It's an Australian-made bow.
Cheers.
@@thewilderlifer9910 for sure send me a link when it's ready! Would love to see it.
Do you consider the Bear Montana to be like a Howard Hill type bow? Grip it the same way as a Hill bow?
I believe the Montana is a slight reflex deflex bow not a asl or hill style. Bit the Montana is a great longbow!!!
I find that a lot of people quit way too early when trying to shoot a Hill style bow, or just look at the grip and say 'no'. This is actually very similar to how a lot of asiatic bows are gripped i.e. full grip with slight pressure in the fingers. They don't give it a fair chance
Agree 100% on people giving up too fast. Especially when they try shooting it like they do a r/d or hybrid longbow.
One thing i dont understand is, why are there no mid-low price Hill Style Longbows on the market? I live in Italy and its impossible to find one, even in other shops in Europe.. only Bows that look a little bit like Hill Stye but with wide flat limbs... ( oak ridge Ickory) Maybe someone had some advise on how to find one. I like the simplicity and how sturdy original Hill bows are.
You should contact creek walker trading! His asl bows are amazing and his prices are amazing
Hello Mr Jason Samkovic I would like to ask you where I can buy a longbow just like yours, with that support for carrying the arrows that is tied to the bow. Thank you Jose de Jesus.
northernmistlongbows.com and the classic model. the quiver is made by great northern bow quivers and is the longbow strap on model.
Get a St. JOSEPH LAKE Minnesota Styk
Any recommendations on a good Hill style longbow?
Northernmistlongbows.com
Lol I always love the people who think there is only one way to shoot a bow. I'm a historical archer and there always seems to be someone with a modern bow trying to "educate" me when I'm at the range. They're usually polite enough, but when I'm trying to shoot my asiatic bows with a thumb draw, or native american bow that only draws 18 inches, it does amuse me. I'd blow up my short bows trying to shoot how they're telling me to, and shooting Turkish without khatra is a waste of your time.
I think that other guy deleted his post taking our comments with it. Some day when I retire I plan to make a self bow and also learn to fly fish. Just not much time right now.
@@SamkoTradBow I can understand lack of free time. A board bow takes about a weekend to make (or a long afternoon if you know what you're doing and have tools). Board bows are good practice before risking damaging an actual stave you've had drying for a year.
@@timothym9398 few more years and I will be attempting it!
I'm a hobbyist target archer who shoots a 47# @28 (my draw is about 30) Hill-style longbow. I've been shooting that style for about 3 years, with both the 47# and my last bow, which was rated 40# @28. I've found that if I hold the bow with a full "hammer style" grip I tend to get a lot of string slap - I've raised the brace height up to 6 3/4 inches, which has helped, but the only thing I've found that really keeps the string off my forearm is angling my hand like you would on a bow with a locator grip. This definitely isn't how the grip is meant to be used, and feels uncomfortable in the hand when I shoot like that. I think that either my brace height is still a little low or that I'm not angling my arm enough - I was wondering what brace height you usually set your longbows for?
Many hill bow shooters shoot with a bent elbow so that string slap doesn't happen. The bent elbow also means they are always pushing the bow forward to the target. I don't shoot with a bent elbow personally, but most do. I brace my bows at 7 inches. When brace drops to 6 3/4 I start hitting my arm slightly.
@@SamkoTradBow Thanks for the reply. I'll raise my brace height up to a full 7 inches then, and keep a closer eye on my left arm's form.
@@russellnesbitt7139 it's all trial and error. What works for me might or might not work for you. But you will get it all sorted
Hey Jason, just curious, what made you want to get a straight grip over a locator grip?
Just wanted to try it. And loved it
@tradbowpodcast I gotcha. Been trying to decide on which one to get. I've only shot locator grips. So I thought I'd ask you since you have experience with both.
@Rob24_Hunter I won't go back to a locator for my hill style bows. Love the straight grip. On an r and d bow I don't mind a locator. But on a hill style bow and the way I shoot it I prefer straight
@@SamkoTradBow I understand. I appreciate your help and quick response. Thank you